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Foot and Mouth Virus and Outlook
Alright, maybe it's the media saturation of "foot and mouth" disease/virus which seems quite similar to the LOVEBUG frenzy, or maybe it's just the bio major in me - but "the report" from the CDC concerning Outlook Express and foot-and-mouth made me spew coffee out of my nose.
...made me spew coffee out of my nose.
That must've been pretty funny to make your coffee enema come out your nose!
Microsoft Outlook Express already WAS a known virus. It isn't?
Read the FAQ you dipshit.
No actually, the foot and mouth bacterium is actually very weak and can be easily killed with simple disinfectant, burning will most definitely eradicate the disease. Also, animals do actually recover from this disease, but it usually leaves them scared or possibly maimed, it rarely kills the animal, however the meat is unfit for consumption. The disease doesn't affect humans however (unless you have hoofs, that is).
It is actually possible to vaccinate against this disease, however this merely makes the animal immune to a certain strain and does not stop a herd from carrying the disease, so if an animal comes into contact with an unvaccinated herd, it will infect the herd. Obviously vaccines also wear off, and there are numerous strains to account for. It is not practicable.
Previous polices of vaccination in Europe have failed because it doesn't prevent animals from spreading the disease, and therefore gives possibilities for different strains to emerge. Anyway, as with the 1967 outbreak, current policy is to purely eradicate the disease through slaughter and pyres, however ghastly they may seem. European policy has followed British policy of eradication.
As for that 1600 deg F bit, I think you're getting mixed up with prions from BSE infected animals, these proteins can sustain high temperatures. BSE or "mad cow" is different from foot and mouth.
I know what's going on may seen daft to you, however you have to understand these people know what they're doing and the actions have logical explanations. If the disease could sustain fire then there wouldn't be burning, please give people a little credit before denouncing based conjecture and assumptions.
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The morons you mention decided this because otherwise EU meat could not be exported to several non-EU countries (including the US). Morons indeed. Everywhere.
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...that we can look forward to victims of Outlook virii being culled and their bodies burned as a grim reminder to others?
Shame. That's what's happening a few miles from my house to Foot and Mouth victims.
Governmental consolidation, like economic consolidation in the private sector, has its pros and cons. It can lead to greater economic stability as weaker players (like Netscape or Moldova) are weeded out of the market, but it can also lead to greater communication of pathogens like this.
How many of the EU's policies are to blame for this epidemic? It used to be that livestock diseases were a local phenomenon affecting only local expendable populations. But now, with the advent first of railroads and then trucks and planes, we're seeing diseases carried far beyond these bucolic borders and into the urban centers we ourselves inhabit.
So far, the EU hasn't taken any bold new steps to stem the tide, so what are we tolerating them for? They were supposed to stand for an image of a united Europe, but all they've managed to do is breed dissention and economic uncertainty with the collapse of the euro. How can we take a government seriously when its presidency exists on a rotating basis (to Sweden, of all places)? And what sort of united face have they put on the great animal and human suffering caused by this virus?
The foot-and-mouth epidemic is the great test the EU must face in order to have some sort of legitimacy on the world scene. If other countries see that the EU and Europe are vulnerable to biological warfare like this, then there's no telling what sort of military or terrorist actions they might decide to engage themselves in.
The future of Europe as an economic and political superpower is hinging on the cloven hooves of our ovine and bovine brethren.
And how is that a Linux problem? That's a BIND problem. It's a BIND problem with a fix, too. I updated my DNS server to the 8.2.3 debs awhile back, so I was already covered.
Don't go blaming Linux (an OS kernel) for a userspace package's vulnerability. Besides, shouldn't you be having BIND switch to non-root UID and GID, and probably in a chroot()ed jail?
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Dear cluebie:
Go read the security advisory on bugtraq or CERT.org that talks about the weakness in BIND that the Lion worm is exploiting. It's an error in the way BIND handles TSIGs. Hey - I'll make it easy for you.
How about next time you read the security advisories. Just because the worm's for Linux, doesn't mean the vulnerability it uses to get where it's going is only on one platform.
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Oh, sorry - I thought it said "foot IN mouth."
No, the US doesn't have any issues with their cattle. Ever wonder why N. American cattle is banned in Europe? Yep, the dangers of excessive use of growth hormone are unknown. But of course, you knew that as there isn't any covering-up of the information, and you chose that the potential unknown risk wouldn't effect you.
Meat is also cruel to people. If people stopped eating meat and feeding grain to animals, there would be enough food to feed the world.
Huh? There's obviously enough food available to feed the world already. Witness the ever-increasing population. The simple truth is that people are made of food. Just enough food means no population increase. Likewise, too much food means it's possible for the population to increase, which it's done since time immemorial. If you want everybody fed, perhaps you should try showing the hungry how to be self-sufficient, or making food distribution a little easier.
Try again.
--- Chris
Foot and mouth affects several different species (sheep, cows, goats, basically anything with cloven hooves). So if it spreads from a sheep to a cow, you can hardly say that is due to lack of genetic diversity.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
here?
I removed the "
"Wake up dead."
It's a joke people, I didn't think anyone would interpret that literally.
OK, I was wrong, Anthrax is not especially contagious... but it is quick!
Thanks for the insightful mod though :)
It's quick and highly contagious. Some bacterial infections can be very dangerous because of those characteristics... bacteria are much more robust and eager destroyers of body tissue than viruses, if less insidious. Victims of bacterial meningitis sometimes go to sleep with what they think is just a headache and wake up dead. Victims of flesh-eating bacteria sometimes have limbs amputated to save them from an uncurable spreading necrosis.
Underestimate the mighty bacteria at your peril.
But what scares me most is prions. It's the bug in mad cow disease. It is the hardest to destroy.
Except that prions are not bugs, they are proteins. Thus, they cannot be "killed", only rendered non-infectious via combustion or with certain solvents.Free Mac Mini. Yes, I'm
Goodness, hopefully they got all the Outlook CD's, manuals, boxes, EULA's, and everything else that Outlook has come into contact with, burned as well.
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>>Victims of bacterial meningitis sometimes go to sleep with what they think is just a headache and wake up dead.
While I'm not speaking from experience waking up dead isn't that bad. I mean granted you might feel hungry for brains and there is that whole moaning thing, but you can still do pretty much everything. Granted people will keep trying to bury you, but let them have their fun. You can always dig your way out later.
Impersonating Tycho from Penny Arcade since before there was a PA.
Actually, the last time I heard about foot and mouth disease in the US was yesterday, while listening to the radio.
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The last outbreak of F&M (back in the Sixties) taught some hard lessons. One of these was that F&M afflicted beasts should be destroyed immediately then buried. There was no alternative to this "solution". Burning the dead animals was specifically rejected.
Britain is a member of the EU. There are rules and regulations that GB *must* follow under these sort of circumstances. One of those is that the number of infected animals must be available for inspection up to 1 week later by "officials". Another is that the destruction should take place by burning if possible. GB unfortunately has been following these rules to the letter. It will almost certainly be the downfall of the livestock industry in this country.
It seems that "Foolish Youngster" is living up to his (her?) name. The Brits are not being stupid, they're just (for once) adhering to the law. Perhaps we have too high a respect for an (obviously stupid) law, but that's not to say we agree with it, it's just that we adhere to it. There is a common saying in GB: "The law is an ass". What it means is that there is always a circumstance where the law is obviously stupid.
Show me the farmer brave enough to step out of line during this crisis though and tell the law where to go. Lose your insurance. Lose your farm. Destroy your livelihood. Would you ? If you would, it's not just the law that's an ass. The press would have a field day...
Simon.
Physicists get Hadrons!
While monoculture may be a problem, one of the bigger problems is that the bovine populations in Europe were, until very recently (European Union), almost totaly isolated from each other. Now that trade barriers have been killed, there is much more trade of bovine stuff between the countries and so these isolated populations are now in relatively close contact. Each population has evolved its own set of diseases (at least local variants) and immunities. The net result is like what happened to the natives all over the world when Europeans brought smallpox through. Epidemic. Massive Death.
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Wow. A good argument from a reasonable-sounding person. Is that allowed on slashdot?
rocketscientist.
And that's how it happened that Margareth Thatcher was first responsible for BSE and now at least partially for the outbreak of Foot and Mouth....
Remarkable is that the present British government does not entertain the option to return to the safe policy of vaccination eventhough it looks like the disease has already wiped out any profit that's made in the last ten years. The Dutch have made a profit in the Japanese marked but wish to return to vaccination for the benefit of animal health.
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I'm fairly certain that Foot & Mouth is a virus.
F&M Has *nothing* to do with BSE.
Also, BSE *IS* Mad Cow Disease, called Scrapie in sheep, and Cru(can't spell)-Jacob disease in humans (CJD)
I also don't think this is kuru... though kuru is also a prion disease.
Prions spread chiefly through cannibalism, yes. Foot&Mouth is highly contagious, also airborne. Hence the mad quarantining. The mad cow outbreak was due to the forced cannibalism of the cows.... they cattle feed contained rendered cattle.
Right. Though you generally only catch prions from ingestion, so they aren't highly contagious.
Foot & Mouth (Hoof & Mouth n N. America I believe) is not Anthrax.
F&M is viral, Anthrax is bacterial.
F&M is not dangerous to humans. Anthrax is.
I have friends in large Windows shops who do the wildest things with Outlook, using forms and OLE stuff. You have to put the time in, but the results can be phenomenally useful. Until the next service pack breaks your carefully crafted work, of course....
Saturday, 10 Mar 2001 at 1:47pm; Category: Overseas News; High priority;
Story No. 4645. By Claire Swires
TOKYO, JAPAN March 10 AFP - Japanese authorities hve banned all animal movements in and out of the country after several sofa beds were found nibbled in Tokyo today.
Experts believe this may be an outbreak of the dreaded Futon Mouse Disease.
--Gfunk
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
I've been a vegetarian of varying degrees for nineteen years, and a vegan for eleven. I keep encountering people who tell me that my diet must lacking vital nutrients and I'm going to keel over any day now, but in reality my health is pretty good.
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How true. After being a Ovo-lacto vegetarian my whole life (28 years and counting) I've never had meat (I did give up fish when I was 4). I am amazed at how many people who tell me that its an unhealthy way of life and you can't last long at it. My favorite story was an ex-girlfriend who was also Vegetarian. Her mother took who to the doctor and asked him to try to explain how bad it is. The doctor looked at the mother and said "Its done fine for me for the part 35 years."
Heck, even my fiance is convinced I'm going to just curl up in the corner and die (despite the fact that when she dragged me to the gym I was able to run her into the ground).
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Umm, no. Foot and Mouth disease IS a virus. A quick look on google will tell you that. Also the method of transmission should tell you that. Prions are very difficult to transmit, they usually are passed via bloodborne methods or digestion of heavily infected tissue. Viruses (can be) very infectious - which foot & mouth is.
Kuru was originally thought to be spread by ritual cannibalism, most (not all) people do not believe that now. Rather in the particular tribes your talking about, the woman do the burial preparations, which also involve doing something (?) to the brain. If you get a cut on your hand when you're doing this (very likely) it can be transmitted.
All nutritionists are into food faddism. It's a defining charateristic of the job.
That's not true at all. We have evolved from tree climbers. If you are going to go from branch to branch, you want binocular vision so that you can accuratly judge the distance. You'll find binocular vision in lemurs, squirrels, and other similar creatures.
So nobody sued anyone.
Boss of nothin. Big deal.
Son, go get daddy's hard plastic eyes.
Expanding a vast wasteland since 1996.
I've always wondred this myself. In the western states it's just about impossible to buy lamb that does not come from New Zealand yet sheep are all over the place. How much extra is it costing us to get lamb shipped from New Zealand and where is all that lamb from the west going?
War is necrophilia.
I guess the fact that Microsoft wrote all of above is taken into account. I don't think people are blaming windows they are blaming Microsoft for being so irresponsible in the face of serious security flaws in it's software.
War is necrophilia.
Well, its both. Animals that are prey'd on usually have farther apart set eyes so they can watch their backs easier. Predators usually have closer set eyes for a large area of high quality vision. So we can see detail and judge distances/speeds.
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Well, "omnivorous" is a broad term; it can be mostly a flesh based diet with occasional plants, or a plant based diet with occasional mean. Our digestive system is certainly not suited to a meat-centered diet, and we can do quite well without any meat at all.
Of our closest primate relatives, gorillas are pretty much herbivorous, though I think they'll sometimes eat bugs; chimps will occasionally hunt small mammals, but IIRC they focus more on plants and bugs. So if we want to talk about "natural" diets for humans, we should probably be eating more bugs.
It's not. No more tricky than a balanced diet of any other sort. Sure, you can eat bad as a vegetarian; a diet of french fries and potato chips may be veggie, but it ain't healthy.
I've been a vegetarian of varying degrees for nineteen years, and a vegan for eleven. I keep encountering people who tell me that my diet must lacking vital nutrients and I'm going to keel over any day now, but in reality my health is pretty good.
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You cannot wash away blood with blood
There's too many legalities for that
to be able to happen nowadays.
Copy our content and we'll sue!
etc, etc...
How about "Boot and Mouse" virus then ? I've noticed some blisters on the HDD's boot sector and on my mouse recently. Is it transmissible to/from humans ?
Sorry for the REDUNDANT link. :)))
Hemos had make us all look like some FP kiddies,... But he is one too
Anyway you could recommend the story to everybody with this link http://www.satirewire.com/cgibin/birdcast.cgi
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Try this http://www.satirewire.com/news/0103/outlook.shtml
The page is slashdoted anyway...
Just another coder...
I can't believe nobody (at least no media types) has ever asked MS what the scripting features in Outlook are for.
/. et al) about whether or not its' really a good idea having a word processor able to execute random code contained in the document. On the other hand, I've also seen people do pretty cool stuff with VBA, so I think its' a pretty good feature to have.
I used to get a bit of a chuckle from all of the MS Office macro viri running around. I always found it funny that no questions were ever raised (outside of
Outlook scripting on the other hand I have never actually seen. I have never heard of anyone using it and I don't fully understand exactly what its' for. A rather handy feature that unfortunately exposes you to potential security risks I understand but an utterly useless feature that nobody uses? WTF?
Has anybody ever seen anything at all that actually uses scripting in Outlook?
Yes, laziness ruined my attempt at wit here.
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The parent to this post contains the text of the Satire Wire piece referred to by the article. Apparently many Slashdotters are having trouble seeing it at all; how it is "offtopic" is a mystery.
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That the "Foot and Mouth" E-mail Virus is not actually dangerous to humans but it does destroy the value of your e-mail.
If all of the other alternatives are so wonderful, please take this opportunity to leave. We'll miss you friend, but I suppose this is how it has to be. Go off into the night and blaze for us a new path.
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It is my understanding from reading the previous posts that "omnivorous" was meant to be a broad term. I took it as a suggestion that this is one of the many highly adaptable traits that we have as humans. We can eat whatever we feel like and thrive.
So eat your vegetables and enjoy. I'm going to tuck into a nice steak, thanks.
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Aye, your evolutionary theory needs a tweaking. Why would humans have canine teeth (which are designed for ripping and severing meet) if they had evolved to eat plants and nuts and such? Those types of food would exert a selective pressure on man to develope wider, bigger teeth, with bigger muscular attachments than we have now. The person who stated that we have evolved to be omnivorous is completely correct.
I will, however, agree with you that man's digestive track is not used to eating large amounts of meat at a time, but the quantity that qualifies as large is somewhere in the order of 2 to 3 pounds. I don't know many people who can eat 2 to 3 pounds of meat in one sitting without vomiting. Man *IS* evolved to eat meat, as evident by the meat specific enzymes used to break it down in our digestive tracks.
-Sean- Sometimes you're the pidgeon, sometimes you're the statue.
The same with Operating Systems. The dominance of Microsoft and in particular their insecure mail client causes more trouble that it would otherwise if there was a variety out the.
Reducing the number of species/platforms, which is which what markets forces do is actually not good economic sense.
Oh no! It appears that Hemos has already been infected!
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I-am-a-weener-alert: No milk today, Holland is infected with M&P and we're turning massively into vegetarians here. The problem now starts to become big... and people are making fun of it, ofcourse, but alas sense of humor, any supportive comments are very welcome, even on Slashdot
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Go to your Preferences page here, then scroll down until you see "It's funny. Laugh." in the center column (Topics). There should be a checkbox next to it. Toggle that box to on/checked. You will no longer see Foot and Mouth articles.
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just a little off
Think of it. The shere idea of it rings in money! I bet 98% of the virus writers out there work for a anti-virus company. Think of the market share
No doubt Microsoft would cash in on the deal and build a mass email system with a built-in virus transfer protocal.
No doubt they made AxtiveX insecure. Where does everyone go? That's right Windows Update a web based ActiveX control. Now when ever you update Microsoft get privlaged access to your machine.
It's all part of the big picture. The appocalypse
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"Is it a bird?"
"Is it a plane?"
"No, It's a flamming gerbal!?"
"Oh My Gods! It's Amageddon!"
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> SELECT * FROM brain_cells WHERE synaptic_rate > 0
0 row returned
Besides, American Budweiser is quite popular in England. I've seen people riding the train with a case of the familiar red-and-white cans alongside them, guzzling away. My theory was that the beer enjoys "import" status over there.
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After all, what is there to discuss if we cannot even follow the link in the story?
What makes you think people here actually read the stories before they start discussing?
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
Alas, a post that needs it, and me without any points.
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the site has been slashdotted...be patient
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Several distributed.net participants have expressed their concern with regard to the distributed.net client and the recent outbreaks of Foot-and-Mouth disease.
Some members asked if they could moove their computer with the cow client on it, others were afraid to flush the cow, and thus spreading the disease around the world, even to the master servers of distributed.net in the United States.
distributed.net's CCO (Chief Cow Officer) Jeff Lawson acted swiftly and called his high school buddy EU Food Safety Commissioner Mr David Byrne. Mr Byrne went great ways to grant distributed.net an exception to the very strict transportation ban currently in place in large parts of Western Europe.
distributed.net assures its members they can go on and flush as ever before. There is no need to slaughter (kill -9) their cattle or let the flushed blocks go to /dev/cesspool, as recommended by various national
governments in Western Europe. Also, piling up blocks and transport them
only after the crisis is over is strongly deprecated.
distributed.net wants to make very clear that the recent disease in some cows, dubbed the "8012-flaw", has nothing to do with the initial outbreak of Foot-and-Mouth disease in England earlier this month, despite of rumors circulating the internet.
If you suspect your cow is infected with the virus and want to be on the safe side, go to http://www.distributed.net/trojans.html and download our 'wormfree' program. Be advised, though, that in most parts of the world, virus vaccination of cows is forbidden! distributed.net will in no case accept liability when participants get fined because of illegal vaccination.
I would have expected Humorix to get to it first. Oh well, maybe after it gets done being slashdotted, I'll be able to read it.
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How much can you sue for is coffee burns your nose?
That lady got 10,000,000 for spilling coffe on her ankle.
hmmm, hot coffee, I'd finally be able to afford that G4...
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Does it really bother you that much that Buchanan has no chance in hell of ever becoming president?
And, you know, this whole thing is incredibly funny anyway. The media is trumping it up like it's the second-freakin-coming of Mad Cow Disease and it isn't even particularly dangerous to us. It's a royal pain in the ass to farmers, of course, but it's not a problem for people...
(In your case, it would be more appropriate to call it foot-*IN*-mouth disease... damn right wing isolationist pseudopatriotic nutjobs give all us Merkins a bad name...)
/Brian
Talk to a nutritionist who isn't into food faddism. The human species evolved to be omnivorous; any competent nutritionist will tell you that. Why do you think a balanced vegetarian diet is so tricky?
/Brian
Hmm.. I seem to have managed to misstate a couple of posts yesterday, not just this one. I think I left out the word *other*, sorry...
/Brian
It should be noted that I disagree with the answer, primarily with this:
You'd better ask for permission! I've got webpages (that currently won't interest /.ers, thank goodness) hosted on personal boxes - there's no way they could hold up to the load of a good Slashdotting. If I ever got Slashdotted, I'd lose Internet access! (Because taking up massive amounts of bandwidth allows WPI's netops to kill your account, no questions asked.) If the site is a personal site, it seems irresponsible for Taco to just allow hundreds of thousands of hits to flow in without at least warning the poor sucker. So my answer is "yes" to that question - I'd love to wait 6 hours so that I can actually see the linked article instead of "No route to host" or "Connection timed out" or "Server refused connection."
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
It's far more a question of Netops and "too much bandwidth" than anything else (ie, a Slashdotting will be more than enough to bring me over the 3% total bandwidth warning level and the 5% total bandwidth cutoff - I'm not sure of the total bandwidth available, but I'm pretty sure Slashdot can exceed it). And besides, a top-of-the-line desktop never would be able to serve everyone during a Slashdotting. (Although it should in theory be able to give some people access.)
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Similar things about the American agrarical industry: * the use genetically modified crops, * the use of synthetical hormones to grow the cattle And that's also why the EU subsidised their farmers: we in Europe don't want to be dependant of the mass production!
Except Mad Cow isn't spread via a virus, but a prion (kind of protein). But I guess Outlook isn't too picky about that.
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Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
I read somewhere that the hoof and mouth virus needs a temperature of over 1600 deg F sustained over a period of several hours to kill it. Hasn't anyone thought about the fact that burning all that carrion might be contributing to the spread of the outbreak? The smoke would carry the crap over hundreds of miles, thus exacerbating the problem.Pommies are so DUMB!
-- Defenestrate Microsoft!
hmmm...VB? Viral Bacterium?
"The words of the prophets are written on the Slashdot walls."
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- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
FOOT-AND-MOUTH BELIEVED TO BE FIRST VIRUS
UNABLE TO SPREAD THROUGH MICROSOFT OUTLOOK
Researchers Shocked to Finally Find Virus That Email App Doesn't Like
Atlanta, Ga. (SatireWire.com) -- Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Symantec's AntiVirus Research Center today confirmed that foot-and-mouth disease cannot be spread by Microsoft's Outlook email application, believed to be the first time the program has ever failed to propagate a major virus.
"Frankly, we've never heard of a virus that couldn't spread through Microsoft Outlook, so our findings were, to say the least, unexpected," said Clive Sarnow, director of the CDC's infectious disease unit.
The study was immediately hailed by British officials, who said it will save millions of pounds and thousands of man hours. "Up until now we have, quite naturally, assumed that both foot-and-mouth and mad cow were spread by Microsoft Outlook," said Nick Brown, Britain's Agriculture Minister. "By eliminating it, we can focus our resources elsewhere."
However, researchers in the Netherlands, where foot-and-mouth has recently appeared, said they are not yet prepared to disqualify Outlook, which has been the progenitor of viruses such as "I Love You," "Bubbleboy," "Anna Kournikova," and "Naked Wife," to name but a few.
Said Nils Overmars, director of the Molecular Virology Lab at Leiden University: "It's not that we don't trust the research, it's just that as scientists, we are trained to be skeptical of any finding that flies in the face of established truth. And this one flies in the face like a blind drunk sparrow."
Executives at Microsoft, meanwhile, were equally skeptical, insisting that Outlook's patented Virus Transfer Protocol (VTP) has proven virtually pervious to any virus. The company, however, will issue a free VTP patch if it turns out the application is not vulnerable to foot-and-mouth.
Such an admission would be embarrassing for the software giant, but Symantec virologist Ariel Kologne insisted that no one is more humiliated by the study than she is. "Only last week, I had a reporter ask if the foot-and-mouth virus spreads through Microsoft Outlook, and I told him, 'Doesn't everything?'" she recalled. "Who would've thought?"
Actually the fact that man can eat meat and digest it, is proof that mankind's digestive tract *has* evolved to eat meat. A human's digestive tract is intermediate in length between pure carnivore and pure vegetarian animals of similar size, showing that we are in fact omnivores. Also how fast meat decays is a red herring. All food has a certain amount of bacteria in it, and is 'decaying' at various rates. Once food has been chewed and is in the stomach, the acidic environment is inhospitable to most bacteria and they either die or are passed out harmlessly in waste. (it's the toxic byproducts of certain bacteria before they die that give us food poisoning, not the bacteria themselves) If the idea of food 'decaying' inside you bothers you, think about the last time you had gas after eating beans. The gas is caused by the 'decay' (aka digestion by bactria) of the beans. Maybe we should lay off the vegetables as well. All this being said, it's probably healthier to eat more vegetables and be moderate in our meat intake, but let's not distort the facts to justify it.
How about to brighten the day for us recovering sysadmins, that have to deal with pathetic users' virus infections day in and day out? Geez.
There's nothing worse for a unix guy than to babysit windoze users. I come to slashdot for a lot of things, and one of them is for entertainment. Slashcode enables a highly-customized site, anyway, so you should take advantage of it.
Your bitching and moaning doesn't make you part of the "/. community." It's not like you are a long-time registered user, anwyay. Ahem, well I guess it's your right.
Personally, I'm putting a link to this on our web site's important announcement area, as soon as the thing recovers from the slashdot effect. That way, I can brighten the day for our Outlook-using customers. Hah! The funny thing is, I'm certain at least one customer will take it seriously. (a local radio station once broadcast that the Internet was shutting down--we were then deluged with phone calls, and I had to issue a pop3 bulletin).
Does this mean they're going to start quarantining offices that use Outlook? Awesome!
... My office uses Outlook!
Oh wait a minute
Why are men in biohazard suits walking toward my desk? Oh no!!!!! AAAAAAAHHHHH!
With the sheep being trotted off to death for possible contamination of mad cow, it's likely that Microsoft sheep can get it too.
Why not just automatically get Google to cache the site, then link to the Google cache? I smell a business opportunity here.
sulli
RTFJ.
ROFPML - I waded through all that previous crap to get to this gem - but it was worth it :^)
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Well, I'm not sure that "condemnation" would be the appropriate term, but many Buddhists feel that their tenets direct them to be vegetarian. OTOH, the Dalai Lama doesn't agree, and likes a nice steak now and then.
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Burning the carcasses may not have anything to do with H & M.
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Actually the majority of meat in the US is from the US. Only a few places(Alaska, Hawaii) get emat from EU frequently.
So, they piled up all my mail in an enormous pile, waited several weeks to allow a horrible stentch to issue forth, and then burned it.
What has the world come to?
...and now Microsoft is going to mysteriously audit the CDC to make sure they can produce valid licenses for all their Microsoft products.
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First of all - linux still is a kooky side show. Admit that to yourself.
Secondly - Although I'm a big proponent of vegetarianism, for a number of reasons (bad industry, ineffienct production, and morally questionable), make sure your arguments are right. The reason so may people eat meat now, and why things like Mammoths are extinct, is because biologically, humans do eat meat. The fact that the food stays in your system for a while is a good thing when you only get to eat twice a week, and don't have preservatives or refrigeration. However, that doesn't make carnivorism excusable now. You can (and many think you should) make the concious choice not to eat meat. But don't say that humans eating meat is unnatural, or isn't biologically sensible. It is. But we don't need to do it anymore.
Humans are omnivores by nature, but now we live in a world where we an afford to be herbivores. Now go out and do it.
-Andrew
Before you mod this down, remember, visitors are supposed to be good for a web-site.
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
Here is an author approved mirror of the article.
Foot and mouth http://bbspot.com/outlook.html
Yes, this was to fool Eastern European immigrtants into thinking that they were getting stuff from back home
The Czech original is Budvar, after a town, I think.
Correct.
Budweiser is the German equivalent. Pilz is a Czech town where the Pilsner style began (it actually means "from Pilsen", again the German equivalent). "Urquell" is German for "Original source".
Correct up to a point. Budweiser is a term used to describe drinks made with the same method as those which originated in Budvar
We get both forms of Budweiser here in the UK. I prefer the european one myself but it's just a personal taste thing.
Ian
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This email didn't seem unusual because my friend calls himself a "h4x0r", and apparently they type like that. I wish I could be a "h4x0r" but my friend just sez I'm a "AOLamer". Anyway, I opened up the "CertainDeath.txt.vbs" file and my screen went nuts!!
There were all these flashing pictures and bad music and all of a sudden some large letters flashed on the screen:
All your beef are belong to us
By the way, I think foot in mouth is a good look for Microsoft a lot of the time...
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Here`s the link for that sex-starved moose thing. It`s funny. Laugh._ dc_1.html
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My other car is first.
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It is a pretty well known fact in the antrhopological community (IANAAnthro) that man evolved as mainly a meat eater. Think mammoths, aurochs, and other large fauna. Man subsisting on large amounts of vegetation did not come about until about 10,000 years ago.
Vegetables are a hard thing to eat a balanced diet with. In order to get the amount of nutrients, minerals, etc that a human needs, he would have to eat a multitude of different types of vegetables, i.e. beans for protein, citrus for Vitamin C, etc. The problem with this is that to get everything necessary, you would have to eat a lot of veggies, and as we know, veggies are bulky. It would be hard to consume the amount necessary to round off a diet. You can get a lot of the same things you get from plants from animals, liver is chock full of different vitamins.
Next, meat is easier to digest than vegetables since animal cells do not have that cell wall found in vegetables. The only reason meat would decay in your body is because the digestive fluids would be breaking it down. Hence the same would be occurring with vegetables.
I am not preaching that humans should be complete carnivores; I couldn't give up veggies, love the little buggers. I am just saying that there is nothing wrong with eating meat.
One last remark regarding:
consider the spiritual damage living off another of God's creature does to your soul.
The way you speak of God, would seem like the way a Christian would mention a deity. Doesn't the Bible say that the plants and the animals were put here for our use? Now, IANAChristian, but I did go through 13 years of Catholic schooling and read a large portion of the Bible. If you are not a Christian, explain, please
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This is a warning about a new email virus that's going around. It's called "FootAndMouth". You might get an email called "FootAndMouth" or an attachment called "moo.jpg" - DO NOT OPEN THEM!! This is a very dangerous virus which can delete files and make your computer unusable! Pass this warning on to EVERYONE YOU KNOW. Thank you.
This message has 1 attachment(s):
*moo.jpg
Opening attachment...
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-Kasreyn
Kasreyn: Cheerfully playing the part of Devil's Advocate to hairtrigger
Although it is true that the bovine Foot-and-Mouth disease is not spread via Microsoft Outlook, a close relative to this same virus, the Foot-in-Mouth virus is spread quite rapidly via Outlook.
The Foot-in-Mouth virus is a particularly embarrassing one, which scans all the email you have sent and received with a particular contact, getting a good sense of your relationship with that person. It then sends a series of emails in your name to that contact saying many things you would be very embarrassed about later.
The effects of this virus are very similar to those produced by the psychological condition "Typing while drunk", and researchers are working very hard to examine whether any causal link exists between the this virus, its bovin cousin and alcohol-induced computer use.
There are a thousand forms of subversion, but few can equal the convenience and immediacy of a cream pie -Noel Godin
kochsr says: Foot and mouth is not viral. It is a prion.
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You must be thinking of Scrapie , which is a prion-caused TSE. Foot and Mouth disease *is* viral. It is caused by Picornaviridae, genus Aphthovirus. Read more at Vads Corner
Guess that's one way of clearing out the 'ol shnoz of all that annoying hair. Why use a trimmer when you can just burn it all?
As MSFT prides itself on, is that dogfood contains rendered meat, including spinal and brain products - so basically, Outlook is suffering from Mad Cow disease.
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When we hear that MSFT's gone vegan, we can stop worrying about security exploits with Outlook.
Of course, then we'll have to ignore all their FUD about how we should all be using organic software, instead of software with Open Sores
Oh, wait, that's Open Source
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Actually, no. It would have been funnier that way, too, given all the dead cows we've been seeing lately. And in context, cDc makes more sense than CDC anyway. I mean, the Centres for Disease Control in satire on /.?! Come on!
The next thing you know, they'll be telling us the l0pht is just really a tony apartment.
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
there serve has already been /.'d with bad requests.. it'll be back up in a few days
I'd like to second that.
By the time I can actually successfully follow a link about "new 1/2U servers" or "cmdrtaco shows weiner on live tv", eight hours go by, my interest wanes, i've become redundant before even posting, and I don't feel like a good Slashdot contributor anymore. It really wouldn't take much to mirror content.
Ewww, you mean that this might be transmittable via Back Orifice?
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No, really, there is a beer made in Austria or Czechoslovakia named Budweiser.
I'm pretty sure they got sued, I mean, they've only had that name for centuries.
And if you're near Czechoslovakia, I'd go for a Pillsner Urquell.
troll or just flamebait .. you tell me.. but (Score:3, Interesting) your kidding right.. i say (Score:5, Funny) for the moderators.
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And everyone wonders why I use Eudora and PINE...
"A coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave but one."
"Only by strict control of imports can we demonstrate to the EU, that the USA will not tolerate their inefficient socialist disease ridden farming techniques. I mean, when was the last time you heard of any of these diseases in the USA ?"
Any excuse for a bout of protectionism, eh?
Fact: Foot and mouth disease has been around for centuries. The last major outbreak in Britain was almost two generations ago.
Fact: The current outbreak of the disease has been traced back to the Indian sub-continent. It most likely got into Britain (and from there, Europe) via a consignment of animal feed from South America. Foot and mouth is as much a European problem as the common cold.
Fact: Modern intensive farming methods (using pesticides, growth stimulants, genetically modified crops, etc) are just as common in the Americas as they are in Europe. But as foot and mouth is a disease, there is no way for even the most ethical farmer to protect his herds against infection (short of putting them in a well filtered biosphere).
Fact: Europe is NOT one nation. The European Union is a federation of sovereign states that determine some basic common social, economical and political policies together, just like NAFTA, OPEC or NATO. Some of these sovereign member states are moving towards a single currency, but that's nothing new on the world scene. The EU is definitely NOT a government in the sense that you seem to imply and the presidency is best described as a rotating chairman rather than a singular position of power.
Fact: Contrary to some reports in the American press, foot and mouth CANNOT be contracted by humans. It only affects animals with split hooves, such as cows, sheep and pigs. Mind you, as you're obviously an ignorant jackass, I'd be scared if I were you.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Since when were global diseases the fault of one continent?
Foot and mouth is a global problem and the current outbreak started in the Indian subcontinent (which was not in Europe the last time I checked).
The infection got into Europe via contaminated products from South America (also not in Europe), which I practically on your doorstep.
The reason why the US is (relatively) free of many diseases and viruses that infect popular farm crops and herds is its draconian border policies, which prohibit visitors (and returning tourists) from bringing just about any food, drink or plant product into the US.
Such a facist policy from a country that espouses liberty and freedom at every opportunity? Tut, tut. Sounds like the kind of thing you would expect those "nasty" Europeans to do.
The real irony of course is that such border control will soon be rendered useless by NAFTA as the free progress of goods from Canada and Mexico is guaranteed by that agreement. And, believe it or not, you can get to the US from South America via Mexico!
Enjoy the view your high horse for now kiddo, because when the problem hits you (and it will hit you), the fall is gonna fucking hurt.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
"...(or to give it its correct name `Hoof and Mouth')." They call it foot and mouth because travelers shoes can carry the disease. Making it specific to animal ("hoof") would be deceiving.
Also, according to most recent respectable sources foot and mouth is harmless to humans.
"The USA must immediately ban ALL imports of any kind from the European Union..." They have. Duh.
"Socialist disease ridden farming techniques?" Christ, you sound like a prejudiced asshole. And a trolling one at that. I hope someday you get voted off this place. You're the most negative prick I've ever been exposed to on this website. Whether it be calling Napster users "immoral criminals" or whatever else you can do to troll and piss people off, you really come off as a truly misdirected person. Mabye you should fix whatever's bothering you (sometimes you can't -- likely you're ugly.)
Lastly, "it is not `funny' and I don't intend to follow your comment to laugh." Lighten up a bit. Sometimes humour is given in serious, downtrodden times to make things seem less serious and thus take the edge of off things. No one is claiming Slashdot to be a mainstream media outlet; you shouldn't act like it is one.
mwtr / THIS SIG HAS BEEN PRAYED OVER AND MAY BE USED AS A POINT OF CONTACT (ACTS 19:12)
"Finally, consider the spiritual damage living off another of God's creature does to your soul."
Oh, blow it out your ass. I have no disrespect for vegetarians or vegans, but I sure wish they'd keep their "crusade" to themselves. I can't seem to think of any religion that condemns eating meat, unless it's some new radical form of Wicca. Some unknown spiritual diety telling us what to is questionable. Putting such religious tenor to close your message composed of rampant propaganda shows how weak and unfounded your argument really is. Science has something called a foodchain, and you can prove science.
mwtr / THIS SIG HAS BEEN PRAYED OVER AND MAY BE USED AS A POINT OF CONTACT (ACTS 19:12)
This has been the case with Slashdot from almost day one. It's very simple. When a story is posted, everyone who reads Slashdot -- which might not seem like a lot based on posts but actually is because there are so many lurkers -- clicks on the link and that overwhelms the linked web server. This is even mentioned in the FAQ, including their answer on mirroring: "No."
Hey, you were the same person complaining about the religious overtone in Katz article yesterday.
If you don't like Slashdot, leave, you religious-fanatic-prude, computer illiterate troll who has nothing insightful to contribute other then voicings of his own dissatisfaction with whatever is offerred on what is becomming a peice of shit website due to needlessly present fucks like you (along with other factors that will not be discussed herein.)
mwtr / THIS SIG HAS BEEN PRAYED OVER AND MAY BE USED AS A POINT OF CONTACT (ACTS 19:12)
Ok, so how is replying to a post that rants about EU farmers being subsidised, and pointing out that US farmers are subsidised off topic????
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This hole in the BIND DNS nameserver was fixed within 24 hours from the discovery of the vulnerabilty, and consequently all newer versions are protected to this attack.
Now of course people are gonna whine 'but not everyone will update their systems' and such, but keep in mind that Joe Random User doesn't (and shouldn't) run a DNS name server. Those are typically run on important internet backbone machines, and the SysOps of those machines should really know what they are doing, and should know about such security risks at most 12 hours from discovery, and apply updates/patches as fast as possible.
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Perhaps it is time to reevaluate the way Slashdot posts stories. I am not a long time reader, but I have noticed that in many cases (including this one) a story will be posted that consist mostly of a link to another site. However, the site that is linked to is very often down.
I do not wish to be inflammatory, but this seems to detract from the overall quality of Slashdot. After all, what is there to discuss if we cannot even follow the link in the story?
Would it be possible for Slashdot to mirror content on their own servers? Or alternately, perhaps the focus could be shifted to original content instead of linking. Regardless, as things stand, many stories are quite irksome because of broken links.
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Researchers Shocked to Finally Find Virus That Email App Doesn't Like
Atlanta, Ga. (SatireWire.com) -- Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Symantec's AntiVirus Research Center today confirmed that foot-and-mouth disease cannot be spread by Microsoft's Outlook email application, believed to be the first time the program has ever failed to propagate a major virus.
"Frankly, we've never heard of a virus that couldn't spread through Microsoft Outlook, so our findings were, to say the least, unexpected," said Clive Sarnow, director of the CDC's infectious disease unit.
The study was immediately hailed by British officials, who said it will save millions of pounds and thousands of man hours. "Up until now we have, quite naturally, assumed that both foot-and-mouth and mad cow were spread by Microsoft Outlook," said Nick Brown, Britain's Agriculture Minister. "By eliminating it, we can focus our resources elsewhere."
However, researchers in the Netherlands, where foot-and-mouth has recently appeared, said they are not yet prepared to disqualify Outlook, which has been the progenitor of viruses such as "I Love You," "Bubbleboy," "Anna Kournikova," and "Naked Wife," to name but a few.
Said Nils Overmars, director of the Molecular Virology Lab at Leiden University: "It's not that we don't trust the research, it's just that as scientists, we are trained to be skeptical of any finding that flies in the face of established truth. And this one flies in the face like a blind drunk sparrow."
Executives at Microsoft, meanwhile, were equally skeptical, insisting that Outlook's patented Virus Transfer Protocol (VTP) has proven virtually pervious to any virus. The company, however, will issue a free VTP patch if it turns out the application is not vulnerable to foot-and-mouth.
Such an admission would be embarrassing for the software giant, but Symantec virologist Ariel Kologne insisted that no one is more humiliated by the study than she is. "Only last week, I had a reporter ask if the foot-and-mouth virus spreads through Microsoft Outlook, and I told him, 'Doesn't everything?'" she recalled. "Who would've thought?"
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http://www.satirewire.com/news/0103/outlook.shtml
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