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Bonobo 1.0 released
infodragon writes: "Linuxprogramming.com has an announcment about the release of Bonobo 1.0. " The site has a nice list of the changelog -- I will say that Bonobo has gotten much more...stable over the last couple months. Grats to all who have been working on it.
I'm not a "GNOMiE" either. I have major problems with GNOME---but one of them isn't the "grab for branding" that seems to be going on.
Now, I'm also somewhat of a Free Software bigot. And that's mostly the reason I don't have problems with Ximian, RedHat, or Eazel. They're still writing free software. They're funding free software development. As far as I know, most of the GNOME developers are either on the Eazel or Ximian staff anyway, so it is "by the hackers".
GNOME isn't much more than a collection of loosely-related apps using the same toolkit anyway (one of the problems I have with it), but Ximian and Eazel both contribute to this. What's the problem? Now you have a file manager and some better graphics, services, etc. They're GPL'd and stuff, so everyone can benefit. There's no fragmentation as far as I know (two competing standards for a GNOME object model, for instance), so what's the problem?
It would be rather unethical in my opinion if you had a company taking GNOME stuff, adding a few non-Free gizmos, and selling it. But I don't see that happening here. And no one can predict the future, so "yet" is irrelevant. If that time comes, criticize it then.
So, in summary, I think GNOME has problems, but not this one. ;-)
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
Link: http://www.ximian.org/tech/bonobo.php3
Bonobo is the GNOME component framework. Gnumeric and Evolution both make heavy use of Bonobo components, which can be reused to solve new problems in the future.
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You might want to learn about some of the things that I am more excited about Bonobo right now: the Moniker system (basically a name space for Bonobo Objects). It is here: http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/monikers.html
Enjoy,
Miguel.
EEL and GAL are different libraries. They are both libraries that were extracted from existing applications to encourage reuse.
But they are both tied to different time schedules, and there is really little (if any) code duplication.
Both are libraries with unfrozen APIs and both libraries are just stop gap measures while we get the most reusable bits into glib, gtk+ or gnome-libs.
There is hardly any competition at all between gal and eel. They are fully complementary
Miguel.
It's a component architecture modeled after, you guessed it, COM from those evil guys at Microsoft. (See: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery)
Cheers,
Actually it is available. Go to the Evolution snaphost channel.
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Okay.. I checked my Red Carpet updater and bonobo 1.0 isn't there. You know what else still isn't there? Gnome 1.4 final that was announced last week. What is the point of Red Carpet again? I'm confused. :(
-the spoony fork
Speak truth to power.
It's fine and dandy to want to preserve real diversity (which is furthered by preserving species as well as peoples -- as opposed to mixmastering ecologies and cultures which homogonizes that which it doesn't destroy), but Bonobos are actually quite tame sexually compared to some of our more distantly related primate "cousins" and there is much abuse of bonobos for sexual political agendae of humans. For example, the "gay" activists like, such as "Anne Marie" above try to portray bonobos as being queer as a three dollar bill when the reality is more accurately portrayed by "her" own politically-motivated tract in the following passage:
Even before the food was thrown into the area, the bonobos would be inviting each other for sex: males would invite females, and females would invite males and other females.
Note, the conspicuously absent male-male sexual approach that one would presume from assertions by "Anne".
Another site is more realistic about primate homosexual behavior and it really puts Bonobo "gays" in perspective:
Some of these examples of "homosexuality" in phylogenetically distant animals may be analogous rather than homologous to human homosexuality, but as we move closer to humans the likelihood of homologous behaviors increases. In mammals many different behaviors have been observed that might be associated with male homosexuality. Among primates homosexual behaviors are particularly diverse. These include such practices as the mounting of one male by another (e.g. Langurs, pig-tailed macaques, baboons, orangutans, chimpanzees, bonobos) (Sommer 1990; Oi 1991; Lorenz 1963; Yamagiwa 1992; Hayaki et al. 1989), including mounting with anal penetration (e.g. stumptailed macaques, squirrel monkeys) (Sommer 1990; Maple 1977), and mounting with anal penetration and ejaculation (Japanese macaques, rhesus macaques, gorillas) (Sommer 1990; Gadpaille 1980; Edwards and Todd 1991). Masturbation of other males has also been reported, including mutual masturbation (e.g. stump-tailed macaques) (Sommer 1990) as well as genital-genital contacts (e.g. bonobos) (Enomoto 1990), at times leading to ejaculation (e.g. gibbons) (Edwards and Todd 1991). Fellatio has also been reported for stumptailed macaques (Sommer 1990). Other perhaps related behaviors include sniffing/inspecting the genitals/anal region of other males (e.g. stumptailed macaques,) (Sommer 1990), "displaying" an erect penis to other males (e.g.vervet macaques)(Henzi 1985), and urinating a few drops on the other male during the display (e.g. squirrel monkey)(Castell 1969). In some cases males have shown a preference for their homosexual partners over heterosexual partners (e.g. rhesus macaques)(Sommer 1990).
Bonobos are endangered and that should be enough for us to care about protecting them. The survival of Bonobos is unlikely to benefit from enlisting them in the cause of gay rights.
Finally, if gays really want to justify their sexual activities within a technological civilization, they can do much than to compare themselves with other, far less civilized and technological, primates.
Seastead this.
Everyone likes a good cause.
Seastead this.
In posts like this (X 1.0 released! X goes beta!), please mention what X (in this case, Bonobo) is.
Thanks.
-Puk
What exactly is bonobo?
I was wondering the same thing. I did some poking around and found this article about what it does. Sounds cool.
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Some people have a way with words, and some people, um, thingy.
Hey, did anyone else notice this from the announcement? If I were a GNOMiE (full disclosure: I'm not), I would find that a tad worrisome. Even Red Hat did not do this when they controlled GNOME and came under big fire for immoral practices, but now Ximian is basically trying to 0wn the GNOME brand. GNOME == Ximian GNOME.
But that's not true. GNOME == (Ximian GNOME - Ximian services, logos, ads, propaganda). GNOME is a community project but is basically being hijacked by companies trying to make a buck. Eazel has already taken over the GNOME shell with the much balley-hooed Nautilus.
Surely the GNOME community should take action and halt this downward spiral? What happened to the admirable GNOME spirit of by the hackers for the hackers?
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
This is of course quite cool as Evolution, Nautilus, etc. are for a large part just frameworks for Bonobo applications. Trolls might want to remember that before they complain that Nautilus, Evolution, etc. are bloated.
Monkey sense
Bonobo is a set of language and system independant CORBA interfaces for creating reusable components and creating compound documents. The Bonobo distribution includes a GTK+ based implementation of the Bonobo interfaces, enabling developers to create reusable components and applications that can be used to form more complex documents.
Bren.
Seeing as it was their employees who headed the bonobo project it's hardly a crime for them to make the announcement. Look, Ximian and Eazel are embraced as PART of the Gnome community, will you silly slashdot trolls please stop trying to drive a wedge where nobody wants one?
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Bonobos are sentient chimpanzees comparable in intelligence to humans. Like dolphins, they are as smart as (or smarter than) humans, but because of their evolutionary niche, they don't need to build machinery of death or destroy their habitats the way humans do. We could learn a lot from Bonobos.
But we haven't. We haven't learned a thing. We persecute them the way we persecute homosexuals, and even for the same reasons. Unlike Christians, Bonobos have no qualms about their sexualities. They live in a state of sexual bliss where all sexual relationships are practiced: heterosexual, homosexual, group, father-daughter, brother-sister, etc. (only apparently excluding mother-son). But just as Texas outlaws sodomy, so do humans hunt and kill Bonobos for their sexual deviance.
The future is pretty bleak for Bonobos. Their populations are getting corraled into smaller and smaller territories. Their numbers are being thinned. In many ways, it resembles the way American Indians were decimated by colonists. It's the genocide of our time.
Can we hope to live in a world free from sexual oppression? Can we hope to live in a world where a primate doesn't have to worry about where she puts her tongue, lest she be caged and lashed? If we cannot protect even the weakest among us, we cannot hope to achieve true justice.
Bonobos are people. They deserve full human rights.
By naming their distribution "Bonobo", the Gnome developers have done a little to bring the public attention to the crisis of Bonobos. But what will happen when the project is given its next codename? What will happen to the Bonobos then?
I don't want to throw stones at Gnome, but I almost want to suggest they chose the name "Bonobo" because they think monkeys are funny and they think it's a funny name. But let me tell you, monkeys are no laughing matter. Have you ever been a monkey? Have you ever experienced what it's like to be a monkey in today's fast-paced world? Have you ever wanted to scream out "But I'm an 'ape', not a 'monkey'!" and had no one listen to your cries?
We have a chance to make tomorrow brighter than today. We can do it piecemeal by giving ecologically conscious names to our distributions, or we can do it wholesale by invading Africa and reclaiming the Bonobos' ancestral tribal homelands in the name of Bonobos everywhere. But at no costs shall we squander this opportunity.
Solidarity!
-- Anne Marie
hi all (george here)
well well well, now WHAT in the HELL!! who was the IDOT that came up with this name. bonobo!! what in the HELL is that all about, is that what linux users want to be ASSOCIATED with!! monkeys!! well is it or isn't it!! god!! are you PROUD of your computer!! or do you WANT to be associated with crap-throwing creatures. i don't know about you but if i want to see a feces-flinging primate i'll roll over in bed and look at my WIFE.
god that is ALL we need, to get interviewed on TV and have the guy ask "what operation system do YOU use" and then have you say "i use linux" and then have the TV guy say "oh are you a monkey!! ooh-ooh-ooh AHH-AHH!!" i am a linux user and will NOT STAND to be made the butt of banana jokes all god damn day long, now do you got that!! fuck!! let me say THIS: linux would be on 100% of all desktop and bill gate would be eating fucking TRASH out of the gutter if it wasn't for the STUPID design decisions of the linux developers. first they pick a god damn penguin as the mascot. now they name this component system after a monkey. GOD HELP US what is next!! they will probably name the killer office app something like "goat sex!!"
WISE UP you morons!! god
your bud
-gbd