File Sharing: Decentralizing, Open-Source Fasttrack

Eloquence writes: "I've written a comparison of current file sharing software; what's interesting is that the original centralized indexing concepts are losing ground because of filters, and most relevant file sharing systems by now use at least a server-network, or a completely decentralized architecture. Unfortunately, most networks are proprietary, but at least there is now an open-source client to access the most popular network, Fasttrack's Kazaa/Morpheus, which was originally only accessible under Windows (around 500,000 users online at any time)."

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Share the goatse.cx theme Song!

[Trollerball]

The GOATSE.CX theme song! -

Sung to the tune of the Village People song "Macho Man". Italicized parentetical statements should be spoken in between sung parts of the chorus. "Goatse" should be pronounced "goatsay" or "goatseh". Ready? Here we go.

Ev'ryone you know has seen that goatse-goatse man,
Stretchin' out his anus as wide as he can!
Prolapsin' that rectum, go man go!
Showin the whole world his giant butt hole!

Ev'rybody wants to meet the goatse-goatse man,
He's been grossin' out web surfers from Maine to Pakistan!
You can see his picture on goatse dot c-x,
But who can say they've met him in the flesh?

Hey, Hey, Hey-Hey-Hey-Hey!

Goatse-goatse man!
(Doesn't that hurt?)
I want to meet the goatse man!
Goatse-goatse man!
(What's the biggest object you ever fit in there?)
Where are you goatse man?!?!
(four-to-the-three-to-the-two-to-the-one-and...)
Goatse-goatse man!
(Can I have your autograph?)
I want to meet the goatse man!
Goatse-goatse man!
(So, what are some of your other hobbies?)
WHERE ARE YOU GOATSE MAN?!?!

Lyrics are freely distributable under the GPL, the Goatse Public License.

Re:Share the goatse.cx theme Song!

[Holy Mackarel]

Now who will make an MP3 of it? And after that, a video clip?

Re:Share the goatse.cx theme Song!

[Anonymous Coward]

ha ha ha

fp!

[Anonymous Coward]

fuck linux!

Re:FP!

[Anonymous Coward]

Prophet of Terror and the Religion of Peace--Part I

Mohammed, Prophet of Islam is known as the "Apostle of Peace" by Muslims. Nothing can be further from the truth.

This article is just one of a series that I will be publishing regarding sadistic cruel nature of Prophet Mohammed. In this article I will prove once again, that Mohammed was in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage and death.

When Mohammed first started screaming from the rooftops that he alone had the divine word of God, the people of Mecca ignored him. However, when he started insulting and defaming the religion of the peace loving Meccans, they couldn't take it anymore and tried persuading him to stop. Mohammed the coward was too scared of the growing hostility against him and instead of calling upon his Allah to strike down the Meccans, he crept out one night and fled for his life.

Ever since that incident, Mohammed was determined to take revenge on the Meccans. He escaped to Medinah, which had a sizeable Jewish population, and started plotting his revenge with a small gang of criminals. This was the beginning of Mohammed's trail of violence, hatred and bloodshed that would soon destroy the once flourishing culture of Arabia. The story has been documented in detail by his biographers, - surprise raids on trade caravans and tribal settlements, the use of plunder thus obtained for recruiting an ever growing army of greedy desperados, assassinations of opponents, blackmail, expulsion and massacre of the Jews of Medinah, attack and enslavement of the Jews of Khayber, rape of women and children, sale of these victims after rape, trickery, treachery and bribery employed to their fullest extent to grow the numbers of his religion Islam which ironically was supposed to mean "Peace"! He organised no less than 86 expeditions, 26 of which he led himself.

The motives of the converts to Islam was never in any doubt. As D.S. Margoliouth states in his book Muhammad and the rise of Islam

"Of any moralising or demoralising effect that Muhammad's teaching had upon his followers we cannot say with precision. When he was at the head of the Robber community, it is probable that the demoralising influence began to be felt; it was then that men who had never broken an oath learnt that they might evade their obligations, and that men to whom the blood of their clan had been as their own, began to shed it with impunity in the "cause of god". And that lying and treachery in the cause of Islam received divine approval. It was then too that Moslems became distinguished by the obscenity of their language. It was then too, that the coveting of goods and wives possessed by Non-muslims was avowed without discouragement from the Prophet...."

The details of all his criminal onslaughts in the form of battles and assasinations are chronicled in this article in a chronological manner. One should note that everytime the "Apostle of Peace" committed one of his criminal onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly claiming a "divine revelation" which conveniently removed the blame from his bloodied hands. These convenient Suras are detailed immediately below the description of the incident.

1) Massacre of unarmed merchants during sacred month

Date: Late January(Rejeb), 623 A.D.

Place: Nakhla

Victims: 4 Merchants from Quraysh tribe of Mecca, the Tribe to which Mohammed himself belonged

Four UNARMED merchants were travelling to Mecca to sell their goods consisting of raisins, honey and animal skins. It was the holy month of Rejeb which was considered sacred for trade in Arabia. It was a point of honor that any form of warfare or violence was strictly forbidden in this month. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and stabbed two of them to death. They plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed got one fifths of the share.

This shows the utter lack of morals or scruples on Mohammed's part. The Prophet of Islam did not possess a shred of pity or kindness, or the slightest sense of justice. He cold-bloodedly murdered two innocent people who had never done him any harm and did not even know him! All this was done in a month that the Prophet himself declared was a sacred month in which no warfare should take place. Mohammed was obviously motivated by nothing but hatred and greed.

Conveniently divine revelations came down from Allah that absolved him of all the guilt.

Koran 2:216

"Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

Here Mohammed is completely removing all blame from himself, for having started the fighting. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that Allah is completely justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. Over and above this Mohammed is conveniently implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because it was ordained by Allah! What sacrifices the "Apostle of Peace" had to make!

Koran 2:217

"They question you (O Mohammed) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great transgression but to turn men from the way of Allah and to disbelive in Him and the inviolable place of worship and to expel its people thence is a greater transgression, for persecution is worse than killing"

Here Allah is clearly saying that to kill or create warfare in the sacred month of Rejeb is a very grave offence, but to justify his own violation of Allah's rules, Mohammed comes up with the idea that since the people killed were unbelievers, it was perfectly okay! The reason given for the horrific murder of the innocent Meccans, is the fact that they did not believe in Mohammed's version of God. How much more tolerant and kind could the "Great Prophet" be!

2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans

Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D

Place: The well of Badr

Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them

The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. There he cried and prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.

Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was found,they cut off the head and threw it down at Mohammed's feet. The "Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!" One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of the Prophet. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?" The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.

This time Mohammed needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.

Koran 8:65

"O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"

This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore deserve death!

Koran 8:67-68

"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to Allah. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's world this is called "Terrorism" of the worst kind.

3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's murderous ways

Date: Late March-April, 623 A.D

Place: Medinah

Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang

After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her breast and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before raping and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats!"

A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!"

This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the Prophet.

4) The Siege of the Banu Qaynuqa

Date: April, 623 A.D

Place: Medinah

Victims: The Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa

In order to get full control of Medinah, Mohammed needed to get rid of all his opponents. The strongest of these opponents was Abdallah Ibn Ubayy, a powerful chief who was allied with the Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa. This tribe was also the weakest, because they were made up of craftsmen, in particular goldsmiths. By attacking them, Mohammed knew he could plunder a huge amount of wealth and weaken Ibn Ubayy. Mohammed needed an excuse to attack them so he made a girl married to one of his followers, pretend that she had been teased by the Jews. The Muslims blockaded the fort of the Banu Qaynuqa for fifteen days until the starving Jews surrendered. Immediately, the Prophet was ready to kill them all, but Ibn Ubayy seized hold of Mohammed and protested. Mohammed's face became black with rage as he shouted "Let go of me", but Ibn Ubayy was adamant and shouted back "No, by God, I will not let you go until you deal kindly with my allies. 400 men without armour and 300 with, who have always supported me against enemies. And you want to slay them all in one morning! By God, If I were in your place I would fear a reversal of fortune"

At this threat, the cowardly Mohammed turned pale, as he realised that all the people of Medinah were against him. He hit Ibn Ubayy on the face and ordered that the Jews be kicked out of their own homes. All their property was seized and looted, many of the prettiest women were taken as prisoners to become sex-slaves. Mohammed kept one-fifths of the enormous booty for himself. This is the way he repayed the kindness of the Jews of Medina, who had given him shelter and a refuge, when Mohammed had run away from Mecca in fear.

The revelations in the Eighth Sura of the Koran were clearly in reference to the Banu Qaynuqa and anyone who opposed the Muslims.

(Koran 8:55-57)

"Lo, the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe."

"Those of them with whom you made a treaty and then at every opportunity they break their treaty and they keep not duty to Allah, If you come on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, so that they may remember."

Here Mohammed's acts of planned terrorism against the Jewish Tribe is justified by Allah, because according to the "Merciful" Allah, Non-Muslims are the worst of BEASTS! So it is perfectly all right to murder, rape, torture and pillage the non-believers! Not only that but Allah is advising Mohammed and the Muslims that when anyone protests against the injustices committed by Muslims, the Muslims should make sure and deal with them with such violence, that it will strike fear among anyone who may think of supporting dissent. This proves that the Koran is nothing but a political manual for controlling people with terror. Not even the fascist armies of Hitler engineered such devilish ideas.

The above are just a few of the incidents that demonstrate the intolerant and merciless nature of the inhuman acts committed by Mohammed and the Muslims. Further articles in this series will reveal more of Prophet Mohammed's heinous, sadistic and cruel crimes against humanity.

Note: Works of Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammed Marmaduke Pickthall, Rodinson, Martin Lings have been used in this article.

Re:fp!

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree, its user-unfriendly, no fun, and should not be discussed as a desktop OS. A lot of hardware won't run on it either, because manufacturers don't want to waste their time making drivers for a poor OS. Windows kicks ass.

Re:FP!

[gobbles]

wow that's a lot of words wasted!

here's a one-liner that shows that muslims don't really have a monopoly on evil:

here you go

Direct Connectq

[Anonymous Coward]

I've always preferred Direct Connect (www.neo-modus.com), always seemed pretty good, except when seraching for mp3's, I've used winmx (www.winmx.com)

grendel
www.militantpoetry.org

Re:Direct Connectq

[Anonymous Coward]

gee thanks for sharing that

Re:Direct Connectq

[Anonymous Coward]

That's what the internet is all about. Rob from the rich and give to the more or less affluent.

Lots left out

[erikdalen]

The comparison seems to have left out a lot of good
Opennap clients like lopster and gnapster.

/Erik

Re:Lots left out

[Artichoke]

Lopster falls outside of the review's "must have a Win32 port" remit.

But, yes Lopster is the best Linux OpenNap client.

swap nut

[heliocentric]

You forgot about looking into Swap Nut. I poked at it a few times while in windows and, although I have only ever used napster for file sharing, I liked its ease of use, and the multiple file searches at the same time. It also had other things I liked, like suspecting IPs in the 192.168.x.x range probably wouldn't get me the files I wanted.

Oh, and I was sorta put off when a friend first recomended it by name only... Then I read on their site the idea is By "Going Nuts," users can search for and find almost any type of digital file (audio, video, photos etc.) through a secure [they said secure, not me, I think putting your IP all over creation isn't secure, but I digress] peer-to-peer network.

Re:swap nut

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd just like to say you suck, linux suck, the entire linux community sucks

thank you

Re:swap nut

[Anonymous Coward]

Fighting on the Internet is like running in the special olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded.

Re:swap nut

[grendel20]

I think the article left out a bunch o' programs, like swapoo, and a few others i can't think of off hand... but that's me just being too, oh, i can't even think of teh word, its too late. blarg. long live direct connect, and winmx

Re:swap nut

[Anonymous Coward]

Your retarded

Re:swap nut

[Anonymous Coward]

Your retarded what?
Lern sum grammer

Re:swap nut

[Anonymous Coward]

Pedantic?

Re:swap nut

[Anonymous Coward]

does that mean I win???

It should be noted

[donglekey]

It should be noted that over Morpheus you can share vorbis files. So if you want to share some vorbis lovin, just share vorbis files and nothing else. No wasted bandwidth, stickin it to the RIAA, and proliferating a pure standard, what could be better?

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

what could be better?

A format that doesn't sound like robots talking into a tin can on a string in a hurricane. Something like of say MP3. Use LAME, fully GPL compliant and not sucky like Vorbis.

Re:It should be noted

[jonathan_ingram]

In case you really don't know what the problem with LAME is, take a look at http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html. To paraphrase, for the patent only license (i.e. just to get permission to use the patents they have out on MP3), you should pay:

• Decoder: 75 cents per unit or $50 thousand one off
• Encoder: 2 dollars 50 cents per unit

This does not include the right to stream that content, for which you have to pay more. In contrast, to decode, encode, stream, store Vorbis you have to pay $0.

Getting away from licensing issues, a recent listening test concluded that at 128kbps Vorbis RC2 was right up there with LAME encoded MP3, and better than Xing encoded MP3 -- and RC2 still has a couple of minor issues that will be fixed before the release.

(okay, what the FUCK kind of lameness filter reason is 'Junk character post'? I had to get rid of some dollar signs to get it to post)

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

Okay mister smartiepants:

A. Who gives a shit about patents when they download MP3's from Napster Audiogalaxy etc?

B. The companies that make MP3 players pay for the capability to play MP3's not me. If someone made a Portable Vorbis player it would cost the same or more to gouge GPL advocates.

C. MP3pro. I rest my case.

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

$$$

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

Both mp3 and ogg sound like shit compared to mpc/mp+

mpc is a lot easier to use than lame too

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

C. MP3pro. I rest my case.

What case? MP3pro has a horribly low frequency cutoff (about 10KHz), and then tries the best it can to fill in the high frequencies - but if you've listened to MP3pro encoded files that have any difficult passages in at all, you'll hear how bad they sound.

That, and it's even less open than MP3 is... that's the reason that WMA and AAC shouldn't be considered at all (despite AAC having a detectably better qualtity/size tradeoff).

If you don't care about the encoder being closed source (and soon shareware (!)), have a look at MP+ (or MPC) -- quality similar to AAC, with a GPled decoder. At least then you'd be able to play your music back when Windows is dead.

Or use Vorbis.

Re:It should be noted

[INicheI]

I have heard that morphus uses something that Napster previously had in place? What was this?

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

dude! the best is pcm.
best quality and they are even cross platform.

AC (who just spotted a 650mb .wav on gnutella)

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

I imagine as broadband gets more widespread there will be more and more people sharing *losslessly* compressed music -- about 400 meg for an album instead of about 80 meg.

Of course, because they'll be Windows idiots they'll use the closed Monkey's Audio instead of the completely open FLAC...

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

Vorbis is not under the GPL.

Re:It should be noted

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly the point, the lame lameness filters stop no lameness, they just get in the way when you want to actually post a real reply.

Taco and crew: publish and explain the guidelines used for the filters. I've run into those stupid things so many times, for no apparent reason.

Re:It should be noted

[dr.badass]

I believe you are getting LAME confused with the 'official' MP3 codec by Fraunhoffer & Thompson. LAME is, in fact, GPLed, and does not require any of the licensing you described. In theory, you're supposed to have a patent license from F&T to use it, too, but in reality, it's unenforcable. As for Vorbis, I find that the open-source ideal of "Give your project a really dumb name." works against it more than anything. That, and the fact that if I am concerned about audio quality, then I probably shouldn't be compressing it anyway. -DoctorBadass

This is so big is has to be decentralized, too

[Holy Mackarel]

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Re:This is so big is has to be decentralized, too

[Anonymous Coward]

Thanks for sharing that

AudioGalaxy

[epsalon]

AudioGalaxy for Linux does not force you to install any spyware (I don't think there is something like that for Linux), and it's a really great MP3 sharing network.
All hail AudioGalaxy!

Re:AudioGalaxy

[h0rus]

The Windows version AG(audiogalaxy)satellite lets you opt out of the spyware. You can verify it by using ad-aware(http://www.lavasoftusa.com/).

Re:AudioGalaxy

[ImaLamer]

Yes, it's a nice client for linux.

Although I love audiogalaxy (for millions of songs) - they've screwed me on a T-shirt.

Re:AudioGalaxy

[xmutex]

Is there any info on what the spyware content of the Win32 Audiogalaxy client is? I'm curious.

Re:AudioGalaxy

[Jah-Wren Ryel]

they've screwed me on a T-shirt.

If you are good looking, that's something I'd like to see.

Re:AudioGalaxy

[Anonymous Coward]

Gator is part of the install, it is easy to opt out. However it automatically installs Webhancer.

Use Lavasoft Ad-Aware to remove webhancer

Re:AudioGalaxy

[epsalon]

The software installed is called WebHancer and the info about it's spyware nature is available here.

Re:AudioGalaxy

[elgen]

...install any spyware (I don't think there is something like that for Linux)...


Yes there is. One day I ran a program called XEyes. While I had that program running, I had a strange feeling that someone was watching me and my work...

Re:AudioGalaxy

[Ratface]

I had AG working fine for ages on Linux, then a couple of months back it just stopped working. It's still not working for me either. Any tips? I couldn't see an upgraded client on their site.

Re:AudioGalaxy

[epsalon]

That's simply wrong. I downloaded and installed Windows AG today and it asked me whether or not to install webhancer. I ran Lavasoft Ad-Aware and it didn't find webhancer installed.
Maybe that was in an older version.

Re:AudioGalaxy

[epsalon]

Mod this up +1 Funny!

Re:AudioGalaxy

[Dracula]

try removing some of the files that you have shared/change your upload dir. Mine choked when I tried sharing ~500 files. I removed most and it worked again. clould be 'just one of those things'

Re:AudioGalaxy

[jchristopher]

Is there a working GUI client to Audiogalaxy for Linux? Or is it still CLI only?

Re:AudioGalaxy

[Anonymous Coward]

Mod this down -1 Michael-Wannabe

Re:AudioGalaxy

[epsalon]

No GUI in AG4Lin although there's an open interface if you wish to write one. However, there's no need as AG works via a web interface. Just run the server and start your favorite web browser.

Re:AudioGalaxy

[Anonymous Coward]

Mod this up +1 funny!

Re:AudioGalaxy

[Anonymous Coward]

.606W installs webhancer without asking. You are simply wrong.

Best way to violate copyrights

[Anonymous Coward]

Find out here on SlashTurd!

Re:Best way to violate copyrights

[Anonymous Coward]

Copyright this, fucknostrils.

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Questionable Relevancy...

[macinslak]

It's kind of neat and all, but a list of mostly windows clients doesn't really hold much interest for what is mostly a linux crowd.

Not to be mean, but this list in particular doesn't even clearly distinguish between the way the client and the protocol it uses, and is rather incomplete(no filesharing client list is complete without Lopster).

The open source kazaa/morpheus client seems promising, but it looks a bit prerelease, not quite News for Nerds, Stuff That Matters grade material really.

Re:Questionable Relevancy...

[Anonymous Coward]

Most Slashdot readers use Windows. Ask Taco, he does too! If they didn't why would this article have been posted? If Slashdot had article moderation, then we would really have the answer.

But, alas no, Slashdot is stuck in 1997, not 2001.

Your elitist attitude reeks of elderberrys. But, thanks for sharing that.

Re:Questionable Relevancy...

[George Broussard]

...no filesharing client list is complete without Lopster...

Why not include IRC and FTP and e-mail. What filesharing list is complete without those too?

Re:Questionable Relevancy...

[Anonymous Coward]

Those are indeed my most used "file sharing systems". But most of the time it is not for MP3 and such but for more "professional" files (Database dumps, source, ....)

Re:Questionable Relevancy...

[Anonymous Coward]

not quite News for Nerds, Stuff That Matters grade material really

If you're concerned about the degradation of quality of content on Slashdot, I beg you to stop posting comments, as you seem to be one of the chief culprits.

I'd like to see any evidence to support your claim that "this" is "mostly a linux crowd". Just because the maintainer of the site claims to use Linux (and admits to using Windows for various games and whatnot) doesn't mean that the majority, or even a large portion, of the reader base uses that system.

Re:Questionable Relevancy...

[macinslak]

This has nothing to do with Windows software, as I have failed to complain about various posts for Windows-only game releases.

The point is that I was rather annoyed to see an EXTREMELY poorly written article about very well known software that has been out for ages. This is IMO, not "News for Nerds, Stuff That Matters".

The tone of the article seems to indicate using file sharing on platforms other than Windows because it was titled "File Sharing: Decentralizing, Open-Source Fasttrack" and contained phrases like "which was originally only accessible under Windows". Posting a list of mostly closed source and Windows only clients seemed out of place to me.

This anger over assuming /. is a Linux related site really disturbs me. If a site runs mostly Linux related articles, is owned by a Linux company, and links to sites like freshmeat.net and linux.com, then it would be safe to assume that it plays to a mostly Linux crowd.

Linux?

[anonymous_synik]

Linux? is that some new fangled hippie programming tool? does it run on windows?

Re:Linux?

[The Real Andrew]

I would add a +1 funny to this post, but I see the humour fairy managed to miss a couple of other posters this morning.

No.

[Holy Mackarel]

It's an old hippie tool.

Re:No.

[anonymous_synik]

As I recall it's younger than Windows

Re:No.

[Anonymous Coward]

Unix is older than Windows. Linux is Unix. Linux is older than Windows.

Thanks for sharing that

Re:No.

[anonymous_synik]

No shit unix is older than Windows. The linux kernal was written in '91, as I recall Windows was around then.

Re:No.

[Anonymous Coward]

Linux does not meet any of the UNIX specifications and would be sued into the ground by The Open Group if it was marketed as being UNIX.

Re:No.

[Anonymous Coward]

Linus is a eunoch. To me, that's good e'nuff.

Re:No.

[D Anderson n'Swaart]

Erm...I'm no expert but isn't GNU (as in GNU/Linux) not a recursive acronym for Gnu Isn't Unix? Hmm.

Re:No.

[Anonymous Coward]

No. That would be GIU.

Re:No.

[D Anderson n'Swaart]

Oh yeah...sheesh, how did that slip by me? Gnu's Not Linux. That's it...

Re:No.

[Anonymous Coward]

Ffs, I'm having a bad day :P GNU'S NOT UNIX. *tearing of hair, posting anonymously for fear of my karma. A word can paint a thousand pictures.

Mac mp3 programs

[kiwipeso]

most blow, especially mactella and audigalaxy, they just crash before anything happens.

MacPhex is the only good downloader, it runs on gnutella networks.

Re:Mac mp3 programs

[anonymous_synik]

I'm sure all the homosexual Mac users out there will be grateful for that info

Re:Mac mp3 programs

[Anonymous Coward]

The moral of the story is:

Linux users make fun of Windows users because windows is an inferior computing platform. Yet praise the Apple platform for it relative stupidity(ease of use).

Also, if you want software that is half decent use Windows, most of the good software can only be found there. Well, stuff that doesn't crash: see windows 2000(In 6 month's has not crashed on me once.)

Re:Mac mp3 programs

[crayz]

MacSatellite X 1.2(audiogalaxy client) works just fine for me. MacSat X 1.3 doesn't seem to work for anyone, so I'm not exactly sure why it was released...

gnutella is awful. edonkey is nice, too bad the Mac client sucks and has no GUI

FP!

[anonymous_synik]

First Post!

And?

[mithrandir14]

I honestly don't understand how this is news for nerds, or even an interesting article, anyone that refers to every irc network known to man as mIRC ("since its chat functionality can easily compete with mIRC and the like") doesn't need to be writing a comparison of anything for one thing. What happened to slashdot? All that seems to be posted any more is Software releases and bad articles?! C'mon can't we get back to real news?

Re:And?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why don't you read K5 or something? And quit bitching.

But, please quit bitching first.

There's more to share files

[Anonymous Coward]

I find the usage of "file sharing" a bit confusing. IMHO you can do "file sharing" as well with "globally shared filesystems". AFS would be an example (it doesn't matter if you choose Transarc AFS by IBM or OpenAFS), DFS (by IBM or M$) would be another one. One common tree for all the files, everyone sees the same tree structure.

Sinner, YOU have invoked God's wrath upon America.

[Anonymous Coward]

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you was suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.

-- Jonathan Edwards

Re: how bout 100GIG HD for $250, dealnews.com

[Anonymous Coward]

how bout 100GIG HD for $250, dealnews.com

Die Terrorist Scum

[Anonymous Coward]

God Bless The USA

If tomorrow all the things were gone
I'd worked for all my life
And I had to start again
With just my children and my wife
I'd thank my lucky stars
To be living here today
Cause the flag still stands for freedom
And they can't take that away

And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
But I won't forget the men who died
Who gave that right to me
And I gladly stand up
Next to you
And defend her still today
Cause there ain't no doubt
I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.

From the lakes of Minnesota
To the hills of Tennessee
Across the plains of Texas
From sea to shining sea
From Detroit down to Houston
And New York to L.A.
There's pride in every American heart
And it's time we stand and say

That I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died
Who gave that right to me
And I gladly stand up
Next to you
And defend her still today
Cause there ain't no doubt
I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.

Re:Die Terrorist Scum

[Anonymous Coward]

You fuckin' hick!

Re:Die Terrorist Scum

[2675636B20796F75]

You fuckin middle eastern terrorist apologist.

Re:Die Terrorist Scum

[markyd]

This is getting old now.

Wow

[drix]

I have to say I'm impressed. There is a reason that the only previous FastTrack clients were fr Windows: FastTrack is a closed source C++ based protocol stack that only exists for that operating system. FastTrack's livelihood is dependent upon licensing that stack to developers and hence keeping the protocol proprietary. That someone has reverse engineered it quite successfully is highly impressive and also a little worrisome if you're FastTrack. I'm surprised we haven't heard a lot more about this and FastTrack's response.

Re:Wow

[GNU Zealot]

FastTrack is a closed source C++ based protocol

Any care to tell me what a C++ based networking protocol is? Last time I checked you couldn't serialize a C++ object.

Re:Wow

[Anonymous Coward]

Dude, what planet are you from? What about C++ objects makes them impossible to serialize? What do you think an OODBMS does?

Re:Wow

[elefantstn]

Last time I checked you couldn't serialize a C++ object.

Well, I guess all those SOAP developers have wasted their time, then.

Re:Wow

[kz45]

im not sure if anyone here has actually used the GIft client for linux, but kazaa's response was short and sweet: After about 3 days of it's release (which was approx. a month ago), a new "security" patch was forced upon all users of their client. This new patch ultimately prevented the OSS linux client from working again.

Re:Wow

[drix]

I'm using it right now. It works well, although I'm not sure if I can download from Kazaa. If you read the giFT README, these guys seem to be extremely competent (reverse) engineers. I wouldn't put it past them to be able to break through whatever Kazaa did.

Re:Wow

[mr3038]

Well I for one didn't "update" my copy of Morpheus (which I think is pretty much same as Kazaa) even though it's nagging about it every time I start it. A friend of my "updated" his copy and results were less than perfect and I have no problems with the older version.

Of course having correct metadata for files would be nice but I AFAIK this "update" didn't fix that. Neither did it fix terrible performance.

You miss the ultimate file sharing software

[Anonymous Coward]

Beshare for BeOS it use all the file system strong point.

Give it a try:
http://www.bebits.com/app/1330

Re:You miss the ultimate file sharing software

[Anonymous Coward]

DOn't give it a try unless you run BeOS. And if you do run BeOS you already know and probably use BeShare.

Re:You miss the ultimate file sharing software

[rainydays]

I think BeShare is a good enough reason to install BeOS PE on your system. BeShare is lovely, and BeOS is a lovely OS to play MP3's on. Good combination :)

Decentralisation

[Foss]

I've always thought that the main advantage is that noone can shut down a decentralised network. Sure, you can ban Napster servers but you're going to need a shitload more power to ban every gnutella server out there.

I use Gnucleus here - the only real problem I've found with it is the thoughtless assholes that name files differently to confuse people.

Re:Sinner, YOU have invoked God's wrath upon Ameri

[Anonymous Coward]

Have you been watching the old woman on the Dogma special edition DVD again?

PENIS BIRD ADDED TO ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST

[Anonymous Coward]

The Environmental Protection Agency has added the beleaguered and much-maligned penis bird to its endangered species list, an EPA spokeswoman said to-day.

"The lateralus phallus maximus is in great danger of becoming extinct," said Pamela Handerson, the EPA's top specialist on the penis bird. "We must join together to make sure this precious beast does not go the way of the SKIDP." She then wiped away a tear from her eye and smeared some Redi-Whip on her exposed nipples.

The reference to the recently extinct Stephen King Is Dead Post was seen by some as tacky and in exceedingly poor taste. The Rev. Jerry Falwell, for example, was not impressed.

"As I sit here," said Falwell on The 700 Club this morning, "and look at all this mourning over the loss of some silly bird, I have no choice but to smear peanut butter on my ass, then open a jar of flies, and as those flies land on my ass, to put my ass within easy biting distance of a Venus fly trap. You have not tasted God until a Venus fly trap has gone to bite your ass and accidentally gotten your nutsack instead!" Falwell was then sacked by Phil Donahue wearing a sequined evening gown.

Handerson was undeterred by Falwell's hateful rhetoric.

"We must unite to save the penis bird," she moaned, sliding a long, slender finger between the soft, moist folds of her labia. "The penis bird has long been a symbol of unity in the troll community. OH GOD, SAVE T-T-THE P-PENIS B-B-B-BIRD!!!"

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Re:PENIS BIRD ADDED TO ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST

[Anonymous Coward]

Amen brother, AMEN!

Re:PENIS BIRD ADDED TO ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST

[Pinus Tarballs]

A.C. bastards go back to Afghanistan

Re: how bout 100GIG HD for $250, dealnews.com

[Anonymous Coward]

how bout farting, it's chaper and more effective.

SCORE -1 SUPA GENIUS

[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:SCORE -1 SUPA GENIUS

[2675636B20796F75]

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All G's are black, are you a G?

Re:SCORE -1 SUPA GENIUS

[Anonymous Coward]

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P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Net

[Lethyos]

The current model of the Internet is not something that is going to surive the rigors of foolish governments, panicky interest groups, and greedy corporations. As we've seen time after time again, having single points of failure knocked out (regulation, threats, lawsuits, etc), we lose SO much information. Thanks to recent terrorist activities, we're going to find our bastions of freedom online gradually removed by people who honestly don't know any better.

Peer2Peer, I think, is a powerful solution for us to retain the freedoms we currently enjoy on the Net. Certainly P2P helps save us from Napster-like lawsuits regarding copyrighted material. However, can we take it further? Can we deliver web page content in the P2P model, for starters? Could we move all of our Internet services to this model? Consider a world where we start using technologies that prevent any central source of information/data/etc. from being stamped out by the ignorant.

I'm basically describing a model where when a source, be it a group or an individual, publishes something, it is in the network forever. Regardless of what happens to that source, tens of thousands of other machines will always be carrying that forbidden data. It couldn't be stopped. Sure we'd gather up massive amounts of garbage and quickly antiquated material, but every piece of knowledge out there is bound to be of value to at least somebody.

P2P could bring about the global consciousness that the Internet was meant to be. Lucky for us, you can't kill a brain by trashing a few neurons. :)

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[NoNeeeed]

Have a look at freenet. I think this might be what you are looking for.

Don't blam Napster Blame the RIAA

[Jon Carmack]

A series of new studies of Napster users suggests everything you've been reading about music file-sharing systems is baloney. You're not thieves and pirates, it turns out, but marketing pioneers and music lovers quite willing to pay for music. These new stats suggest that file-sharing could have enormous implications for the selling of content, culture and information online, none grasped by dunder-headed corporations like the record labels. They are also a reminder not always to believe what you read. (Read more).

According to the January issue of American Demographics, a magazine which hardly supports radical copyright-infringers, music sites like Napster have created "powerful new opportunities for music marketeers." Despite the best efforts of the greedy record companies and a few recording stars -- Metallica and Dr. Dre come readily to mind -- to alienate a new generation of music lovers, recent figures prove that file-sharing services actually generate sales and put more money in artists' pockets.

This has enormous implications for those making movies, publishing books, or creating any kind of saleable entertainment. It suggests that the Net may work best as a three-step process: first connecting customers with culture, then generating interest in cultural and informational offerings, then keeping track of their tastes through sophisticated new digital marketing research. Theoretically, file-sharing approaches could go beyond shopping to stimulate interest in education, business, even politics, if the music experience is any indicator. And it sure ought to be.

The relationship between new decentralized software programs -- Napster, Freenet, Gnutella, P2P -- and such issues as copyright infringement, artists rights and conventional retailing is complicated. Legal, political, educational and other institutions haven't begun to sort through them. But clearly the music industry's panicky and greedy overreaction will prove one of the most dunder-headed, short-sighted responses in recent business history. The industry couldn't have been more off-base, dishonest or greedy.

Nearly 75 percent of college students have downloaded music from the Net, 58 percent of them using Napster, according to a recent study by Greenfield Online, a Connecticut research firm, and YouthStream Media Networks. Nearly two-thirds of the 1,135 college students surveyed say they download music as a way to sample music before buying it. The proliferation of online music is introducing consumes to artists they don't know, in almost precisely the same way department stores offer samples of food, perfume and other retail items. A survey by Yankelovich Partners for the Digital Media Association found that about half the music fans in the U.S. turn to look for artists they can't or don't hear in other venues, like radio. Nearly two-thirds of those who downloaded music from the Web say that their search ended in a music purchase. Music labels should have been donating money to Napster users, not threatening to sue them and chase the site off of college campuses.

And the much-libeled Napster users are dedicated music buyers, quick to reach for their wallets. Jupiter Research says it found that 45 per cent of online music fans are more likely to have increased their music purchases than online fans who don't use Napster. The Jupiter study of Napster users found that 71 percent of users say they're willing to pay to download an entire album.

Interestingly, reports American Demographics, the Jupiter Study of Napster users found that 71 percent of those who use the site said they were willing to pay to download an entire album. But in a Greenfield Online survey of 5,200 online music shoppers, nearly 70 per cent say that they have not paid -- and will not pay -- for digital music downloads. This suggests that subscription-based services may be more likely and successful than a per-song fee system.

This potentially revolutionary model for marketing culture is about to be dismantled by the new partnership between Napster and Bertelsmann, which is giving the file-sharing site more than $50 million to develop software that will charge users for music. Bertelsmann says it will keep a part of Napster "free," but watch for yourself to see how quickly it shrinks.

These figures, remarkably, demonstrate that almost every assumption about the free music movement, reported in most media outlets and used as justification for a wave of new legislation and legal action like the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, is dead wrong:

Most music downloaders aren't thieves or pirates but music lovers willing to pay for music. Artists have made more money from this new generation of music lovers than they would have without them. The true significance of file-sharing wasn't an end to intellectual property, but an exciting new way to develop markets. Record companies and other corporations should be supporting file-sharing sites ratherthan hiring lobbyists and lawyers to intimidate, sue and enrage new and eager customers. College students have nearly universal access to broadband, and are tomorrow's mainstream consumers. The more information and culture they have access to, the likelier it is that they'll sample new venues, products and information.

Evidently, file-sharing isn't a dangerous menace but an effective new method of disseminating -- and selling -- content, and culture. Aside from these new findings, the Napster experience also suggests that when it comes to dealing with the Net, businesses often have no idea what's good for them.

And oh, yeah. Don't believe what you read about yourself.

Re:Don't blam Napster Blame the RIAA

[Anonymous Coward]

Jon Carmack has posted 1 comments.

1 Don' t blam Napster Blame the RIAA posted on Wednesday September 19, @04:0ÃfÂM (Score:1)
attached to Sharing Rows: Decentralizing, Open-Source Fasttrack

Troll account.

Re:Don't blam Napster Blame the RIAA

[Hexlite]

Yo are such a tool.

I bet you dream of sucking Linus' small soft one. No not his kid you pervert, his wee wee(or pee pee based on local dialects).

Re:Don't blam Napster Blame the RIAA

[t_allardyce]

Funny, it seems to go the other way around for me: I see(hear) music adverts on TV and think "oh, thats cool, thanks for spending money advertising your new album to me, i think i'll go and download it for free. Even better, is that i can get the full _raw_ uncompressed track off p2p aswell, if i want it. The music companies should look on the bright side and make the most of p2p, 'cause they sure as hell can't do jack-shit about it. Face it, you just can't sell data, (unless its too big to download) people can copy it too easily.

Re:Don't blam Napster Blame the RIAA

[Rogerborg]

• recent figures prove that file-sharing services actually generate sales and put more money in artists' pockets.

And there's the problem. If you're getting your music through KazaNapTella, and paying for it through FairTunes, where does that leave the corporate weasels at OmniGlobalMegaHyperLabel?

They don't care about the artists, they don't care about you or me. I honestly believe that they will buy as many politicians as it takes to ensure that the law keeps changing so that if you get music through any method other than by paying money to a big label, you will be made a criminal, and you will be threatened, harassed and denied access until you knuckle under.

Until then though, let's keep supporting FairTunes and highlighting that the "all sharing is piracy" argument is bunk.

Re:Don't blam Napster Blame the RIAA

[Captain Bonzo]

recent figures prove that file-sharing services actually generate sales and put more money in artists' pockets.

It occurs to me that there could be a new business model for music distribution out there. I don't know if anyone has come up with this before, but perhaps bands could give away their music, but sell related merchandise like a cool box to put your CD in or a nice, collectable dead-tree book to accompany the music. Just a thought...

Re:Don't blam Napster Blame the RIAA

[Anonymous Coward]

The selling or real, physical property? Nah, that's just to radical for this "new economy" of ours. Big corps have had a taste of selling ideas by labelling them "intellectual property", thinking that, by calling ideas "property", they suddenly become actual, real property in every meaningful sense of the word.

Re:Don't blam Napster Blame the RIAA

[Djaak]

sophisticated new digital marketing research ?

Hmmm... does anyone else read this as a new euphemism for spam ?

Wh00p!

[Anonymous Coward]

Preach on, brother A.C.!!

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[Dooferlad]

Your dream exists: Freenet.

-- Dooferlad

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[Anna Kang]

Yeah, I've heard about something like that. Here at ID we use a soft called Freenet it runs as a Java client so it is really excruciatingly slow. But we disseminate our new releases to bete-testers this way.

Much cheaper than FTP bandwidth. plus even the slimiest southeast asian software bandit can't get her grubby paws on it.

Re:Sinner, YOU have invoked God's wrath upon Ameri

[2675636B20796F75]

Have you been masturbating to wrinkley old woman sex?

linex?

[Anonymous Coward]

what kin of progarm is this linex i keep hereing about? dose it run on windows?

freenet?

[anshil]

Isn't the freenet not also a decentral file sharing network?

I miss it in this comparison.

Re:freenet?

[Anonymous Coward]

Freenet is to file sharing what Playboy is to pornography. Purely academic.

Re:freenet?

[Mike Connell]

From the start of the article:

"So which tools are most suitable to find and get files?"

Freenet isn't particularly suitable as there isn't a great deal of accessable content there.

Is there a Linux GUI for eDonkey2000?

[antdude]

eDonkey 2000 for Windows is bloated IMHO. Is there a Linux clone (GUI)?

Re:Is there a Linux GUI for eDonkey2000?

[acscherp]

Yes, there is. It's in early alpha stages, but it works for me. The GUI is used to control the commandline client, which is included in the download as well. Unfortunately neither the commandline client nor the GUI are open source.

You can download it from http://www.edonkey2000.com.

Re:Is there a Linux GUI for eDonkey2000?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not aware of any Linex softwar with gooeys. It has lots of crusties, but no gooeys.

Re:Is there a Linux GUI for eDonkey2000?

[iomud]

Linux client is here (lameness filter on the actual file) php frontend phpdonkey also here.

Re:Is there a Linux GUI for eDonkey2000?

[imevil]

Better: a php interface.

What I did is put the edonkey client on my server, the php stuff on the server too and I can easily connect via http from anywhere and control my edonkey command line client!

http://www.inet-manufaktur.f2s.com/phpdonkey/

This thing really kicks ass, give it a try!

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[Graymalkin]

I used to call this usenet but I don't know what kids call it today.

You're completely fucking wrong you cocksucker

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft Windows 1.0 was released in 1983. You are so stupid. Why do you prolong your life?

Re:You're completely fucking wrong you cocksucker

[anonymous_synik]

Dipshit I was comparing Windows to LINUX not UNIX. Linux was out in 1991. Windows was out in 1983. Thus Windows is older. LIKE A SAID.

Re:You're completely fucking wrong you cocksucker

[Anonymous Coward]

LIKE A SAID.

Which Said? Edward Said? He's pretty old.

Re:You're completely fucking wrong you cocksucker

[anonymous_synik]

err like *I* said...

mIRC

[Anonymous Coward]

mIRC is the greatest chat software ever made. Other mIRC clients such as "BitchX" for the UNIX system are far inferior. If not for the rigorous work of Khaled Mardem-Bey what would you be doing now?

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[ImaLamer]

Freenet people we know you are out there! But your system seems to be "comming along" for a long time now.

With that said: You are right. There are networks such as SafeWeb that help people surf with anonimity - but from what I know don't do much for mirroring pages.

P2P networks of today are built to share files: but not information. There is a difference (to me)between mp3's, mpgs, and plain old text. Even Quake 3 Arena[full registered version].zip isn't information. I know everyone loves the P2P model of 'file sharing' but what about 'information sharing'?

Two ideas: You control the files on your PC 100%. You can add files, you can remove files. You would ideally add web pages [with images and all - via an open source compression method-which your browser decompresses and opens] or plain text files. This system requires you to gather all the pages you would need - but you have complete control over your content.

[#2]Proxy style web cache-ing + #1! This system would save bandwidth for content providers, keep pages from being altered and keep the server from getting the 'slashdot sickness'.
This system is similar to freenet. The key factors in this system are: browser integration, open source, key relay points [edu's, cyber cafe...], checksum'n of pages, and open source.
The client could easily have either a mozilla based browser or IE since mozilla source is available and IE integration is a dime a dozen.

I like idea #2. I can host my own content, mirror other people's content even on low activity host web pages for my neighbors [i've got cable].
Structured like gnutella but with a mo'betta client structure. During heavy activity a web page could give me this error: Enter web address in your "gnuholla" client to view mirrored version. Wouldn't that be nice?

Give it a blah:// protocol if you'd like; but one simple thing a p2p network needs is stats! Don't simply extend another protocol. As computers come and go off-line keep track of how long they do, when, and what speed they used, how much content they carry, how many nodes they connect to. We need smart p2p.

Gnutella's limit is bandwidth right? If the clients were smarter, bandwidth consumption becomes a smaller problem because smarter connections. If I discover 3 local IP's that carry loads of content and are online for 10 hours a day on avg then my client likes him. If you are an edu site or on a Tx you can have the ability to only let clients who seem to be dedicated connect.

Computers of today are going to waste. I know many people on gnutella, irc, kazaa and more who are lamers with 1.4Mhz machines and close to a Gb of ram. No client out there puts real stress on their machines. A client that can be used as a mirror, a file sharing prog, traffic relay and more is a system I for one would support.

All these ideas remind me of http, gopher, archie, FTP, rolled into one. Maybe we need gnutella 5.0 the five golden rings or protocol upgrades.

Hopefully this idea isn't taken by someone writing propriety software.

Gnotella Performs Much Better in Windows

[Anonymous Coward]

I have tried all the Gnutella clients and prefer Gnotella by far. Multiple search for starts, plus the ability to switch hosts/servers on the fly, so if you find a faster connection you can use it, and continue the download seamlessly.

you can find Gnotella here and the Gnotella Forums Here.

Simply put, it is the best client to get your stuff...

Re:Gnotella Performs Much Better in Windows

[Jacek Poplawski]

Please try gnut . This console client rocks! You can have multiple search, multiple downloads, and of course you can increase/decrease number of servers at fly. I don't know what is better in Windows client.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[Anonymous Coward]

/dev/random | p2p-upload

enough said.

Re:Sinner, YOU have invoked God's wrath upon Ameri

[Anonymous Coward]

Why yes. Yes I have.

Open DirectConnect client written in java

[Anonymous Coward]

You have forgotten my client :) There are several open DirectConnect clients available, the protocol is far from closed. http://javadc.sourceforge.net contains more info regarding my java client.

Re:Sinner, YOU have invoked God's wrath upon Ameri

[Anonymous Coward]

For those of you who are unfamiliar with Johnathan Edwards, he was one of the greatest Puritan preachers in colonial America. For those who would like to imagine Edwards preaching the firey sermon shown above, an excellent, true-to-life engraving of him can be found here.

BeShare is the best!

[rainydays]

Would it be too much to ask of you to review Jeremy Friesners lovely BeShare client? It's a really nice opensource client based on the MUSCLE system. It's currently only available for BeOS. But downloading and installing BeOS PE is a trivial task, so that's no excuse.
It doesn't have a large userbase(yet), but I think the technology is what's most important here.
The server compiles on pretty much any OS out of the box.

Don't miss out on such a fun and original sharing client :)

Here's a link: http://www.lcscanada.com/beshare/index.html

Happy sharing!

Re:BeShare is the best!

[Anonymous Coward]

And if your smart you just port the client to any bug ridden platform you want. Heck, run it on your OS/2 box, them VAX'es and that old dusty Amiga in the corner. :)

Re:BeShare is the best!

[rainydays]

Yep, but since it's made originally for BeOS, no one will care. :)

Re:BeShare is the best!

[Anonymous Coward]

You're right it already runs on the only OS that matters. :)

Re:BeShare is the best!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, if you fancy failed/dead Operating Systems :)

Re:BeShare is the best!

[Anonymous Coward]

or superior technology... :)

The best one...

[Anonymous Coward]

of them all must be Beshare.

Well, I guess you've never heard of it.

Re: Information

[flink]

freenet:MSK@SSK@9BRxNPeBdBVvWUIJb7etC52nlUUQAgE/Co ntentOfEvil//Filez.htm

(ok, I know it says "Filez", but they're mostly plain-text filez.)

There is also a new comer

[Anonymous Coward]

It's NetMess, decentralized, work through HTTP proxy (at work :), and is native under linux.

http://netmess.multimania.com

There is also another younf decentralizezd system

[smkaribou]

It's called Netmess, (http://netmess.multimania.com).

It works through HTTP proxy (at work), is able to resume downloads from clones on other nodes, share evrything, and works under linux too.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[zerocool^]

What i want to know is what exactly is meant by "de-centralized network". I want to find the p2p file sharing client that if i take 4 computers and hook them up, not connected to the internet, in a local network, the file sharing will work like a charm. I say that because on the college campus where i reside, they've blocked morpheus. I want something that will use the local connection, even if the gateway has a filter on it.

This to me was part of the beauty of napster - napster was never blocked on campus (i'd imagine they blocked morpheus because people were trading not only mp3's but movies, music videos, etc) but the best part of napster was you set your ping time to
That's what i want in a client.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[Anonymous Coward]

whats that address again? doesnt work for me...

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[dpilot]

Fat lotta good it does as ISPs crank down on TOS.

This is more relevant for broadband connections, cable ISPs are downright broadcast-like in their TOS, and since Code Red have begun enforcing this at their head ends. I haven't had a single hit for W32.nimda yet because Port 80 is blocked. This may be a little worse than it first seems, since W32.nimda can also apparently spread through browsers. The complete lack of Port 80 scans may imply not only head end filtering, but also internal filtering. (No scans at all from a /511 subnet?)

I'm still getting normal scans on other ports, so those haven't been blocked. But the TOS can be used to eliminate P2P, and I have no other high-bandwidth choices. For that matter, I could never get above V.34 on my phone line. How does P2P thrive in this situation?

Kazaa/Morpheus is easily disabled

[Anopheles]

It has been done at my school. All they had to do was block the port that K/M uses, and voila, no more p2p. Supposedly, they dropped our bandwidth usage by over 90%.

There is no way to tell K/M to use a different port, at least from what I saw. Whatever happened to the old goals of the Internet, sharing files freely from computer to computer?

Re:Kazaa/Morpheus is easily disabled

[Anonymous Coward]

>Whatever happened to the old goals of the >Internet, sharing files freely from computer to computer?

People abused it, spammers, warez monkeys
and porn merchants.

Re:Kazaa/Morpheus is easily disabled

[vs]

Nodes run on port 1214 on the whole fastrak business revolves around this, seemingly.

To avoid firewalls, try Freenet :)

ALL of Islam is evil.

[CmdrTaco on]

Muslims all over the world are our enemies. Why is it that everywhere in the world where Muslims are in the majority, their minorities are persecuted?In Egypt, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., they enslave all non-Muslims. Right now Muslim militants are burning down churches in these nations. And the Muslims here are pleading with us to spare them because they don't agree with what's happening around the world. BULLSHIT!. If the tables were turned and they were the majority, we would be their fucking slaves. We'd be beaten for being Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buhdist, any religion, even athiest. What a hipocritical religion. And if you don't think that guy sitting in the cube next to you that wears a turban and beard and prays to Allah on his lunch break isn't your enemy, you deserve to die. He's just waiting for the call, like those 19 other assholes waited for. Waiting. Waiting to fry our babies. Waiting to blow our brains out. Waiting.

But I ask you, what are YOU waiting for?

Also...

[CmdrTaco on]

For all their grievances against America, there have been no Cuban, Vietnamese or Serbian suicide bombers bringing death to our shores, and their people haven't been celebrating in the streets at the sight of American blood.

This came from a very good foxnews (surprising) article on the web.

It still installs spyware

[Anonymous Coward]

I installed AudioGalaxy and it did ask me if I wanted their spyware crap installed on my machine. I said no on both counts (one was for Gator and I can't recall what the other one was).

The next time I rebooted my computer I see the familiar "Please wait while Windows completes installing your software" while still in DOS. Sure enough, both pieces of spyware were installed. Thankfully I have Ad-Aware installed.

Personally I'm glad to see an open-source client

[weslocke]

if anything just due to the fact of all the damned SpyWare that gets installed with Morpheus/Kazaa.

Sheesh

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[neowintermute]

Bearshare works like a charm in a closed, local area network. I do it all the time.

Score -99, Flamebait

[Anonymous Coward]

For all practical purposes (and I mean that quite literally--there are few legitimately used practical purposes for these things), this is a "guide to intellectual property piracy."

Oh, I'm sorry. Are some of you still straight-facedly waving the "mp3s must be free" banner? even pr0n generally belongs to somebody.

Re:Score -99, Flamebait

[Anonymous Coward]

amateur porn is generally free

Re:Score -99, Flamebait

[kz45]

not to the slashdot community....

the term "freedom" means to share and do what you would like with anyone's IP (sounds like a GREAT representation of freedom to me), except when it comes to things like the GNU license. (then we must follow the great FSF, to "enforce" freedom)

Re:Score -99, Flamebait

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, I'm sorry. Are some of you still straight-facedly waving the "file-sharing is piracy" banner? Get a life.

Open Source Spy Software Too?

[GeekLife.com]

Will we get our own Open Source spy software, complete with programs that break the file sharing program if uninstalled (a la Kazaa)?

obligatory espra post

[Anonymous Coward]

Espra.net Music sharing over freenet.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[IVotedIn2000]

I know many people on gnutella, irc, kazaa and more who are lamers with 1.4Mhz machines

They *are* lamers... 1.4MHz??

Communication, Not the Data, is Important

[4of12]

It couldn't be stopped.

Well, I could easily imagine a nice P2P network application with all kinds of redundant encrypted floating data being established. Using open software with clear standards that anyone is free to implement.

Then, when some appropriate knee-jerk cause of the day comes along (terrorism || pedophiles || endangerment of someone's large revenue stream), I can see government action requiring ISPs to put in place blocks on standard ports and handshaking attempts by the P2P application. Purely, because some individual could use it for nefarious purposes is sufficient to get the P2P application banned legally or banned de facto from burdensome heavy-handed indiscriminate restrictions.

Then, in essence, your P2P application would become useless to the great large user base that it really needs in order to be effective. Sure the data is floating around on a few servers, but if no-one can connect to those servers, then it's as if the data did not exist.

Is this what is happenning under more authoritarian regimes now? I would speculate that only the technically sophisticated Chinese citizens are able to routinely work around government-mandated restrictions on internet usage. It could happen here, too.

fair share?

[Garc]

Have any of you ever used fair share? I hear numerous good things about it, but have never tried it. Is there a linux client?

garc

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[dachshund]

Proxy style web cache-ing + #1! This system would save bandwidth for content providers, keep pages from being altered and keep the server from getting the 'slashdot sickness'.

Yes. Although what you describe sounds something like what Akamai does, it would be really nice to see some Open Source packages that could do this. Particularly during last Tuesday's site-killing traffic surge, it would have been useful if anyone w/ bandwidth could have made their machine into a constantly-updated mirror, quickly and automatically.

There would obviously have to be some mechanism for users to locate the mirrors, which could come and go with some frequency. I'm not sure if DNS is ideal for this, as it still has a single point of failure. Other issues have to do with interactivity, which might be all but impossible in such a distributed environment.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[Anonymous Coward]

You could set up a local BeShare network. Although not all ordinary people understand to run BeOS.

P2P and Bandwidth

[blueworm]

As a student at the university of Maine, I've noticed this year that the ds3 pair coming out of portland up here has been so incredibly saturated since everyone has arrived, I can't get much better than 56k-like connections to most internet sites. I, like many many many other people up here right now blame P2P programs, specifically Kazaa, for this massive traffic increase this year. At this point I'm so frustrated with it that I'd rather just see the RIAA and the MPAA bring down P2P because the traffic it generates ultimately ruins everyone's connection. It doesn't really have a "useful" use anyhow. At least I have I2 connectivity up here, so I can get SOME things at a reasonable speed.

Re:P2P and Bandwidth

[vs]

Don't worry, your NOC will probably block port 1214 in a couple of days, anyway...

Re:P2P and Bandwidth

[sabinm]

If you aren't downloading any thing, what do you need more than 56k to access the web. if you are, or just streaming, what makes you more entitled to bandwidth than anyone else?

That's not an argument I'd stand up for.

P2P is not the way to contest the RIAA

[blueworm]

The music business puts out a product that you are expected to pay for, you can choose to buy the product or you can steal it and suffer the consequences should you be caught. That's fair. If you don't like the prices they charge, then you can choose not to buy. After a while they will be forced to lower the prices if no one is buying. So finding better ways to steal things is not the way to go in my opinion.. it's still just plain wrong. If people really don't want to pay anything for music they should just form free music communities, sort of like how Linux came about. Of course there are reasons why this hasn't happened yet, but I won't get into those here.

Re:P2P is not the way to contest the RIAA

[BinBoy]

The music business puts out a product that you are expected to pay for, you can choose to buy the product or you can steal it and suffer the consequences should you be caught. That's fair.

Usually I would agree with this. If you don't pay for something, someone somewhere is going to unfairly lose money. But what if an entire industry refuses to sell what consumers want? What if market forces fail and an industry attacks the public through legislation?

Millions of people want downloadable music files just like they download software and most are willing to pay for it but can't because the music business doesn't sell online music. They should produce a product people want or get the hell out of the way.

I write/sell software. Approximately 98% of customers choose to buy online and download immediately. Only 1% - 2% choose to buy the software on CD. I suggest they move up to 1990's technology and sell online. Distribute songs as .exe files, add a registration system to stop casual pirating and start collecting the much larger profits.

Piracy is wrong. Doing nothing while an industry tries to stop the advancement of technology and forces people to buy bundled songs is even worse.

swapnut=limewire+new markting

[jon_c]

SwapNut is Limewire + new marketing.

Limwire just a Gnutella client. there is nothing new here except a new logo.. even the app looks excactly the same.

btw, I found the article amazing shallow incomplete and lacking in any technical merit, it appeared that the author copy and pasted the PR release then added a sentence or two about what his 30 second impression was.

For one FreeNet was not mentioned, likely because the author was unable to install it (it takes a little more then double clicking on a icon). Second he seemed in the dark about the level of decentralization that many of the apps had, for instance eDonkey2000 *IS* decentralized, the servers are user run, eDonkey themselves do not list anything. He failed to mention that FastTrack (aka Morpheus, Kazza) also feature multiplexed downloads like eDonkey2000. No mention of the failings of the Gnutella network, the progress Bearshare and Limewire are making to improve it...

Bah, the list goes on. The really dishearting part is interest in P2P (gaud i hate that term) has faded out when the rest of the internet boom; Very disappointing, The tech can be used for a lot more then sharing britney spears albums! It can be could also be used for file mirrors, (aka wolfinstien off eDonkey = fast fuckin download), instant messaging, web hosting and its approaching a way to get scalable bandwidth for any internet application, soon you'll see.

-Jon

Re:swapnut=limewire+new markting

[Eloquence]

btw, I found the article amazing shallow incomplete and lacking in any technical merit, it appeared that the author copy and pasted the PR release then added a sentence or two about what his 30 second impression was.

Incorrect, if you check my prior reviews, you will realize that I have tested these programs quite in-depth. The article was supposed to be a summary though, and not a repetition of what I have written earlier. Not a single sentence in my reviews is copied from a press release, feature list or any other statement by the developers.

I have tested all public releases of Freenet and reported even about the most exotic client developments on infoanarchy. I am well aware of it and have talked about its shortcomings several times with the developers. Currently, content availability is unsatisfactory, so it is only mentioned in the review together with Mojo Nation.

Second he seemed in the dark about the level of decentralization that many of the apps had

Read the article. I write about different degrees of decentralization. eDonkey is a client-server based network, and I have pointed out that anyone can run the server (which is also possible in the case of Napster thanks to OpenNap, BTW) - the network is not as decentralized as Gnutella, where every client is also a network server that routes queries, pings, pongs and query results. In that respect, eDonkey etc. can only be called "semi-centralized".

You're also incorrect in that I had not mentioned Fasttrack's multi-source downloading -- I have, but to my knowledge Fasttrack does not download files while they are still being downloaded by other users, because searches return only files that are completely available. Regarding Gnutella, I have discussed its history and the discussions to improve it in great deal elsewhere, that was not the point of that review.

Please, if you want to criticize an article, at least try to understand it first.

P2P: more secure against terrorism

[Frank T. Lofaro Jr.]

Speaking of P2P and terrorism, here is something to think about:

A P2P network is MORE RESISTANT to terrorist attack, since there is NO CENTRAL POINT OF VULNERABILITY to attack.

Distributed systems are more secure against such attacks.

Re:Piracy does NOT mean filesharing

[Anonymous Coward]

Is anyone else getting tired of hearing the words "pirate" or "piracy" used when referring to file sharing??? Doesn't anyone know that piracy (when referring to music) means to copy and SELL. Got it? I'm not sure what the actual percentage is, but my guess would be that 99.9% of filesharers do NOT sell what they download for free. So if you feel you need to call it something (something that will make it sound bad and immoral) then call it "IP infringment".

The only OS that matters is...

[yerricde]

You're right it already runs on the only OS that matters. :)

The only operating system that matters is the one that has drivers for your hardware. Unfortunately, for most users who bought home computers, that's Windows 9x. Does BeOS work with winmodems or winsoundcards?

Re:The only OS that matters is...

[rainydays]

Yes, winmodems based on the PCTel and Lucent softmodem chipsets will work. BeOS has (really good)support for my hardware, so it's the OS that matters to _me_. With that argument you could say that MacOS doesn't matter either.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[xmda]

I'm basically describing a model where when a source, be it a group or an individual, publishes something, it is in the network forever. Regardless of what happens to that source, tens of thousands of other machines will always be carrying that forbidden data. It couldn't be stopped. Sure we'd gather up massive amounts of garbage and quickly antiquated material, but every piece of knowledge out there is bound to be of value to at least somebody

Isn't that FreeNET?

Direct Connect open source client

[megagurka]

I'm involved in a project developing an open source Direct Connect client in Java. The project has just started and is hosted by Sourceforge. Check it out:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/javadc/

Direct Connect is a popular P2P file sharing program for Windows. There is also a free program that let's anyone start their own file sharing hub. Check out www.neo-modus.com for more info.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[linzeal]

By using random ports. Try edonk.

Linux is NOT UNIX or POSIX

[Archfeld]

that does not stop it from being the coolest OS around but it ain't UNIX officially.

Run morpheus thru JAP

[Anonymous Coward]

then you are truly anonymous, no valid IP to trace back to, JAP destroys that within an hour.
I suppose it a court order was delivered to JAP then they might have some records but they claim to purge everything on a regular basis.

FreeNet.

[kanayo]

That is what the FreeNet project is all about.

[This line added to avoid the stupid "Lameness" filter.]

oh no, not more efficient

[Anonymous Coward]

the last thing we (the university of delaware) need is a more efficient file-sharing application. it's literally brought our t3 speeds to slower than a 14.4 modem. file sharing is cool until it takes 10 minutes to load a web page. :(

Re:oh no, not more efficient

[kz45]

get filenavigator (http://www.filenavigator.com).

it's a lot more efficient than most. (at least in my opinion).

Spyware?

[XNormal]

Just in case, I run the linux AG client in chroot jail.

Re:Sinner, YOU have invoked God's wrath upon Ameri

[Rope_a_Dope]

Isn't this the guy who talks to dead people on the Sci-Fi channel? That show Crossing Over? I can't imagine Crossing Over will do a show on John Edwards talking to firey salmon. I also can't imagine how this relates to file sharing, unless John Edwards is sharing files to the dead. If he is, I bet he uses BearShare.

Re:Mac mp3 programs (trollfood/ot)

[Anonymous Coward]

Gods.. i shouldn't be honoring this with a reply, but it's gotten a +1 insightful, and if something THIS incoherent gets a +1..

Let us reiterate: the post that the anonymous coward from #2318936 was responding to basically stated that napster-style P2P file-trading software for the macintosh is in a pathetically sorry state right now. This is accurate.

Linux users make fun of Windows users because windows is an inferior computing platform. Yet praise the Apple platform for it relative stupidity(ease of use).

What the hell? First, if you are going to make a statement like this, you need to back it up with some sort of evidence, proof, or logical arguments. Secondly, this statement has absolutely nothing to do with the post you're replying to, and probably is not germane to the current Slashdot thread. Unless you're trying to say "The application support for the macintosh platform in the area of massively searchable P2P filesharing applications is unacceptably poor, therefore (macintoshes are dumbed down and nonfunctional, linux users like macintoshes, and linux users like macintoshes because they are dumbed down and nonfunctional)".. which doesn't seem to make sense.

Also, if you want software that is half decent use Windows, most of the good software can only be found there. Well, stuff that doesn't crash: see windows 2000(In 6 month's has not crashed on me once.)

This bit is just wierd. The fact that Windows 2000 has protected memory and is relatively stable has nothing at all to do with the quality of the applications available for Windows. Yes, uptimes of a number of months are not too unusual for Windows 2000. Neither are they for linux or Mac OS X, both of which are (like W2K) higher-level operating systems with protected memory and stable underpinnings. Mac OS X, in these early versions, may crash a bit more often than W2K; this is, however, due to bugs in the OS (which is a 1.0 release, and unpolished), not due to the applications. We have no reason because of these things to think that the windows applications are of higher quality than linux or mac os applications.

It seems that this post can be boiled down to "somebody mentioned macs, and i don't like macs". The only real thing in this post is a single unsupported one-line opinion: "most of the good software is windows-only". OK, so that's at least *something*, but it's still hardly "insightful".

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[evilmonkey_666]

I think its actually freenetPROJECT.org

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[ImaLamer]

Sorry, I mean people whose mom's bought them that new dell or other such computer off of a commercial or the such.

Three of my friends just bought computers with at least 1.4MHZ and one has 1GB of DDR ram! He doesn't even know what Ram is...
...imagine me trying to get him to install linux on his OTHER FREE hard drive....

These people are lame, and we need a way to use them.... nuff said.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[ImaLamer]

Locating the mirrors would be done by not only the client but other servers.

When my client logs in, and I tell it to relay web sites (instead of hosting filez etc) it connects to others who do the same. If someone in my neighborhood logs on to 'browse' they will find me. The term mirror isn't what I want to use, I'd rather use relay.

Major hubs that cache the content then trickle the content down to others. If you can't get on CNN then get on the network, and type the web page. Your client finds a relay and you get the page.

All this is done by other relays cacheing pages that are frequently used/viewed. If I don't have the content someone is looking for my client can direct them to another relay. [or even get the page for the user]

With the stats involved a smarter network of relays is set up - allowing regional access to sites instead of going straight to the page.

Set aside so many MB of space that can be used to relay and voila!

People with always-on connections at home like cable or DSL can use thier bandwidth for good and not evil after all.

File Sharing?

[Anonymous Coward]

File Sharing? A more appropriate description would be "File Stealing."

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[Anonymous Coward]

Why don't you just take a gun into your local music store and hold the place up while you steal as many CDs as you like. It would be the same as what you're doing except you wouldn't have to wait for the downloads to finish.

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[dachshund]

It would be a virtual web server. For people who want to host something, but can't afford the bandwidth in case it gets hosed.

In order to participate, you install the package on your machine and allow to to cache other people's stuff along with your own. If your stuff gets popular, it'll get cached by other servers. There are a few issues, like how do users find your content, how does it get distributed, and how do you avoid having a central point of failure.

There are answers to most of these questions. None of them are particularly original... They borrow from Freenet, Gnutella, Akamai. But I've never any Open Source packages that perform this particular function (I suppose Freenet could, but doesn't update quickly enough.) Am I missing one?

Re:P2P Is Crucial In Securing the Future of the Ne

[dpilot]

Imagine for a moment if ISPs left NO ports open at all, incoming. For practical purposes, they'd probably have to keep IDENT and FTP-DATA open, but maybe not. IDENT conversations are very small, so a stateful filter could probably chop those to a very short exchange. Active ftp may not be going away, but it's getting less common as an exclusive means. I don't let active ftp (ftp-data incoming) through my firewall, and have seldom missed it. Nearly everyone accomodates passive ftp.

So with the exception of clipped IDENT conversations, cutting off all incoming SYN packets seems feasible, unfortunately.

I guess we're left encapsulating TCP over UDP, or something else silly and inefficient like that.

Re:Mac mp3 programs (trollfood/ot)

[Gabe Newell]

Mac users are so funny! And stupid!

kazaa + wine

[Anonymous Coward]

KaZaA works almost flawless with Wine. Just don't click the system tray