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Kursk Finally Lifted
Michiel writes: "This site, dedicated to the salvage of the Kursk by Mammoet Smit, announced today that the Kursk has been lifted from the seabed and is currently on it's way towards surface. The Giant 4 (which is lifting the Kursk) is at the same time already heading to Murmansk. Mamoet Smit expects to reach Murmansk Monday morning. More information about the Kursk (and its salvage) can be found at Strana" You might to revisit this post about just how the lifting is done as well.
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Will the families of the sailors get the remains? Or does the sea consume the body? Anybody know how that works? I read somewhere that the saltwater would break down the remains. Also, I guess that perhaps fish may have been at them.
It may be out of the mud at the bottom, but until it is actually on the tender boat, it ain't lifted yet. The cables could snap, the sub could break apart, any number of really bad things could happen.
I saw that Yahoo (the online service, not the Aussy actor) had made the same mistake.
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Try http://www.kursksalvage.com/ for more info and pictures...
Ed
If the real intentions behind lifting that sub was to get the crew back (at least not abandonning them in the bottom of the sea) or because they were affraid others might get their torpedo technology... makes you wonder...
If it would have been the first case, why wasn't it done before? If it's the second case, doesn't it sound like "coincidence" that since war is grooming, they didn't want to leave anything that could give an edge to someone else? (not that the taliban have subs but..)
Makes me wonder... Anyhow, I'm sure it's a "good" thing for the families of the people that got trapped in there, at least they will get a proper ceremony and burial place, that doesn't change much, but if my brother/sister or dad would have been caught in there, it would have made one for me knowing he's not resting undersea (but I'd still be pissed at how much time it took them to do this).
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Check out the videos. They are really awesome.
The BBC has some good info on the practical aspects of the operation.
Low-tech, but still nice.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
"Hallo, here is your nuclear submarine and missiles, have a nice day!"
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Is anyone talking during this about the evidence that the Kursk was sunk accidentally while the Peter the Great was testing live anti-submarine missile/topedoes? I imagine the difference between the "accident onboard" story and the "torpedo" story would be quite obvious from the hull of the Kursk. Is this story well known, or do most people still believe it was an accident on the Kursk that sunk it? Maybe that's partly why they sawed off the front of the hull. . .
First off: I don't belive in this. If this is the way you should interpret quantras they can mean just about anything. But it is a very amusing read (was to me anyway).
Nostradamus Kursk
Geocities have bandwith limitation (It worked when I posted this). I know it's on other pages out there also but couldn't find it now.
Mammoet's site on the salvage which has some nice simulations and technical details of the lifting mechanisms. also slightly OT but interesting none the less is information on the building of Mammoet's new office (flash), a 10 storey steel and concrete building that will be built off site, and transported lock stock to it's final resting place by canal. these guys don't do things by half measures!
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Mamoet Smit expects to reach Murmansk Monday morning.
But on that site...
The Giant is expected to arrive at Murmansk with the Kursk on Wednesday
So when, really ?
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Christianity (and all other organized religions) should be banned. Religion has been the root cause behind pretty much every war in recorded history.
cf. Glomar Explorer
They are not securing while they are transporting it Murmansk.
As it say if you dig into it a bit:
a nit pick on how the story was originally posted. but it is sort of important.Thank God they got it up before the Winter Ice closed in.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Jesus, I thought that rumor died a year ago. Which talk radio station did you hear this gem from? Good thing they check their sources...
Murmansk Monday morning
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I wonder if when they get it back to port that we'll ever find out what truly caused the sub to sink. Or if they will just leave it as it stands now, with the world second guessing the cause.
Goran
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This is an incredibly complicated and massive effort. I'm sure once it is complete, everyone involved will look forward to an easy task.
May I suggest lifting the Slashdot Cruiser from the bottom of the lake?
Got a full tank of hot grits and a penis bird in the glove box.
I know it's lame to reply to one's own post but please bear with me.
Recovering the contents of the Kursk will be one of the most valuable parts of this operation. There will be important documents, equipment, and personal belongings to be sorted out.
In the case of the Slashdot Cruiser, however, they will find only burrito wrappers, a Big Chief Tablet with handwritten notes about geeks in a "post-something-or-other" world, and half a tube of KY.
Got a full tank of hot grits and a penis bird in the glove box.
Got this from the strana site -
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Theres a really well done VRML simulation of how it was all done. Its really just a series of still environment snapshots from various stages of the salvage operation but someone took ALOT of time on it. Good job -
http://www.parallelgraphics.com/vrml/kursk/index.
I usually dismiss VRML as crappy and slow but Im really impressed with this one.
Uh, you've been sort of tro... meh, nevermind.
The torpedoes on the submarine are at least as interesting then the recovery effort. Quite remarkable actually, of course if they dont explode before launch that is. :)
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Here is a very good article about them
For the goatse.cx weary...
http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forces/news/
10-9-01
After 10 hours of pulling cables, the Kursk has finally been brought to the surface. Russian inspectors onboard the Giant 4 entered the sub, and returned five minutes later. After a brief announcement that "all the vodka rations had been destroyed", the Kurst was dropped back into the Barents Sea.
I believe the Discovery channel is having a show on the raising of the Kursk. Unfortunatly, I cannot connect to their website at the moment to find out what time and what day it will be aired. Anybody know when the show might air?
WWJD.... for a Klondike bar?
It's not just a series of still environment shapshots at all! If you click on one of the actions, then click play, you can watch the raising (and any of the preliminary actions) from several different views!
can be found in Pravda.
It will take two days for the sub to be transported to dry dock if fair weather, but since forecasts are calling for foul weather, it'll take about four days.
I like fire ants. They are very spicy!
and, in addition to that, the ETA at Murmansk is Wednesday, not Monday: The Kursk was hoisted under the Giant 4 at 17.30 hours Dutch time. Transport to Murmansk at a speed of four nautical miles per hour will commence within two hours of the Kursk being firmly secured to the pontoon. The Giant is expected to arrive at Murmansk with the Kursk on Wednesday (http://www.koersksalvage.com/nieuws.asp?id=80)
Jobs? Which jobs?
This reminds me of a CIA operation from the early 70's where the US built a specialized ship to raise a sunken Soviet nulear submarine from the bottom of the Pacific. I only hope that the Kursk lifting device is slightly more reliable, as the Glomar Explorer's "claw" kind of fell apart midway through the raising.
"Leave the strategizing to those of us with planet-sized brains." -Tycho
The nose of the sub has been cut off because the structural integrity could not be asserted. That part hit the bottom first and is too damaged. The nose happens to contain the nukes, so the mammoet guys are not taking any chances.
The russions will attempt to recover the nose later themselves.
hmm..... maybe up ahead.
Religion is not at all the cause.
All true religions are peaceful and include the words "thou shalt not kill" in some form or another.
The problem is "people" who do their evil and use religion as their justification. They are merely spreading the worst possible form of FUD on this planet.
It's totally beyond me why Smit Tak registered the latter. It doesn't make sense in Dutch, it doesn't make sense in English.
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
Unfortunately, Kaiser Wilhelm II never paid much attention to Bismarck's teachings, and was something of an idiot besides. So, despite his blood relations to the Tzar (he was also related to the British royal family, and used to spend his summers there as a boy), he neglected the alliance, and drove Russia away. Russia, not wanting to be isolated, entered into alliance with France and England.
Now then, you're right that they were not steadfast allies. Had Germany not invaded France, England would not have joined the war. They told the Kaiser as much, but the Kaiser's millitary advisors said that the troops were too close to the Belgian border to recall. Had England not joined the war, France probably would have likewise disregarded their treaty obligations, and not taken advantage of any weakness in the German western border.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
Just cast a 'remove kursk' spell'. Requires level 4 mage though...