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Slashback: Regionalism, Rivalry, Zensur
Even the Gates family probably hates being ripped off by region coding. jmcmurry writes: "I just tried out my daughters Winnie The Pooh from Poland, which can only be played (until today) on my Mac Cube running OS X (I did the region free crack when running OS 9). I own an Xbox with DVD player and thought, hey wouldnt hurt to try it out, since I was in the market to buy a Region Free DVD player (which can cost $400 an up) I plugged everything in, put the DVD in, and lo and behold, it plays the DVD from Poland (region code 2) This makes up for the cost of the Xbox ..."
Nein! Nein! Speaking of things that do (or don't) work by region, several readers submitted information which indicates the pooh-poohing of alleged censorship-by-DNS manipulation in Germany's state of Nordrhein-Westfalen was premature. It turns out that some interesting redirects which seemed to be a technical error or a misguided proof-of-concept, and which were quickly turned off, were reinstated shortly thereafter.
Thorsten Hornung was among the several to write on this topic. "Meanwhile ISIS has reblocked the sites, as Heise online reported (German!) due to pressure from the president of the local Government Mr. Büssow.
The local government of Düsseldorf which is responible for media services in North Rhine-Westphalia has posted a statement on its site (German) about the initial lift of the blockade saying that it believes the censoring meassures have been lifted due to complaints by users. Much worse is that furthermore public accuse people complaining about the censorship to be Right Extremists: 'The local government believes, due to the content of many emails it received today, that they [People Complaining] are users of Right Extremist Internet Content.'
The German Constitution (Grundgesetz) does not allow censorship however there are some restrictions on free speech especially regarding Nazi propaganda."
Winners sometimes use Gnomes. Prashant writes: "Cygwin is turning out to be a breeze of fresh air for people stuck on windows for one reason or another. I can use the familiar bash shell on any platform(win, *nix) I am on, and don't have to deal with the DOS prompt. I use all the gnu tools from cygwin distro. rcs, cvs, vim, perl, python, ruby, apache the list goes on. Not only that, I successfully ran postgresql on Cygwin. The XFree86 port of Cygwin itself can be huge cost saving over commercial X-servers for Windows. I have tried KDE on Cygwin version 1.1.2. I was impressed with it. Here is something new: GNOME ported to Cygwin as well. Let the rivalry ontinue on Windows.
It's all about having options. I would love be 100% Linux user but again sometimes it's not you who decides what os runs on your machine. So till Windows gets replaced by Linux by the authorities, happy cygwining."
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Thought Nazis unleashed to quash real Nazis. Sounds like a scheme that'll work into perpetuity.
I've got it working already :-) (It's all x86, so it wasn't any big hassle)
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I'm taking screenshots this evening with my brand-spanking-new digital camera. After I upload the pics I'll submit an article to
Vive le Resistance!
You mean KDE? That's run on Cygwin for a while (as has Gnome) and 2.2.1 was ported a few days ago. It was mentioned here by the way, although I can't link to it as Search is down.
The tone of this submission struck me as funny -- Timothy, and certainly the writer, seem to be under the impression Cygwin isn't ages old. It reminds me of the NewsRadio episode where Matthew discovers Dilbert and insists on doing a story on it.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
I find this feature particularly strange... Perhaps this was a "forgotten feature" in the DVD pack. After all, based upon reputation, Microsoft should be close allies with the MPAA and RIAA. But, i'm not complaining. Only if the xbox supported progressive scan dvd playing, I would be a happy man... (seems strange that it doesnt. It's more then capable of such a feat).
Of course, i havent owned a console since the Sega Genesis... That system was technically impressive, but alas, not many good games were made for it, and i've never brought a console since. I'm highly considering buying the dreamcast... what a steal for $50!!!!! Of course, that's 50 bucks i could be spending on a geforce3, an xbox, a gamecube, a dual processor motherboard, a car, the ability to press the 'submit comment' button... Wait i can press the............
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
So what is the best thing for us Germans to do now??? We could write complains and be marked as nazis... naahh. What else can we do?
This is such a great example of how easy the gov't can turn protestants againt censorship into a raging nazi crowd. And guess what 99% will read in their newspaper? Yes: Sites blocked, nazis angry, thus censorship is great....
So tell me what to do!
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Laws made by Software companies and Hollywood demand that a software company formats there dvd products with an region code.
So I can't really answer your question, you should go for this to MS, but I'm almost certain that MS and other game developers will put region codes on there software...
I'm sure MS will attempt to fix this 'problem' too.
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In my experience, Postgre was really easy to get running, as (IIRC) it comes in the Cygwin package - you can choose to install it from the get-go.
;-)
...but as for XFree86, I definitely don't think it's as easy as the other two. Cygwin runs under an internet "stub" installer, whereas with XF you download about eighty packages, then navigate through the directory structure... blah blah. It runs very well - that's not in question - it's just the installation that isn't quite so easy.
As far as Bash goes, I definitely agree - it was wonderful to finally get it running, but even more so was using rxvt right in the Windows environment. Now on my Win95 box (at work we shunned the auto-upgrade policy) I could get a scrolling command prompt! I could finally collect all those wxPython tracebacks...
Great if you have the option of choice. At work my desktop OS is NT, because work demands it. One of our gateways to a client's network is a linux server. I would prefer to connect to it with a X server instead of VNC. It looks like cygwin might do this for me, I'll try it anyway.
karma capped
Cygwin is a little more akin to WineLib -- it's a reimplimentation of the *NIX API. (Plus they throw in a lot of precompiled libs and helper programs like bash, which is nice.) For this, yes, having open-source software makes it a hell of a lot easier, since you know exactly what the hell the API you're trying to target is.
WWJD -- What Would Jimi Do?
(Smash amp, burn guitar, take home the groupies)
Oh dear. Evidently some people couldn't see that I was joking; for the record, I find the idea of Open Source laudable, and thoroughly approve of RMS' overall stance, though I think at times his hard-line views are somewhat, unfortunately, unworkable in the world arround us (a failing of the world, not RMS' views, indeed). Sorry for any confusion.
Can I have my karma back now? ;-)
James F.
Comments like that make me really sad. If you don't make the decision to make a change yourself, then no one will do it for you. Come on... take the initiative and do something new.
Let's play a game of "Hello, Obvious!" I'll give you three clues:
One: The original poster could have been referring to a work machine; he never said that this was his own, personal computer.
Two: Perhaps he telecommutes, and his work requires the use of an application which will only run on Windows.
Three: There are likely many other reasons that he needs a Windows machine; just because he doesn't care to ennumerate them here doesn't mean that he's a clueless and/or spineless moron who is incapable of running a Unix-like operating system.
I'm lucky. I'm a sysadmin. I can run Linux, BSD, and Solaris on my home boxen because I run them at work. Not everyone is so fortunate.
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I Hit the Karma Cap, and All I Got Was This Lousy
You can get a region free DVD players in most stores here in Sweden. The quality if region 2 DVDs is low, and they have quite annoying "features" and lack what I usually want, i.e. the region 1 with the goodies, no translations (since I translate better myself and knows English better than the translators) and sometimes even DTS sound.
The zones were a terrible misstake according to me. I was happy, at last a cheap (well, kinda) medium which can hold movies at a resonable quality. All of a sudden I wanted to buy movies, but the whole region thing really made me feel screwed over. I even have my computer DVD set to region 1 and I refuse to buy region 2 DVDs now. When I think about it, why did I actually get a region free DVD player (it's an american player, cost me roughly $350 here in Sweden) to begin with?
When they stop trying to screw us over, we'll think about not screwing them over. But until then, happy hacking everyone.
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Let me guess: you're in college, aren't you?
Watch out. Most computer DVD drives (which the X-Box uses) come without the region set. It's possible that the X-Box comes this way, and if the first dvd you put into a X-Box is region 2, then you could get a region 2 X-Box forever. Alternately, you could get 4-5 changes of the DVD Region before it locks. It's possible that the X-Box coders let the DVD drive handle the region settings and you'll be locked out after 4-5 region changes.
Agreed. I never understand people who whine about 'having to use' Windoze, yet don't make the change for better. Even if it's at work. You can either quit and look for a nicer employer, or shut up and deal with it.
.sig, are you? I like Microsoft about as much as RMS, and don't use their products; but they do hold a very strong position in the business market, and attempting to attack them head-on is like jousting windmills.
Leaving a position you are otherwise happy with simply because they want you to use a very common tool (in this case, Windows) is a very stupid thing to do; and because of the prevalence of Windows in the computer industry, this would be like an auto mechanic refusing to work at a shop that forced him to use the (admittedly buggy-as-hell) electronic diagnostic systems.
In general, nobody should complain about things they can potentially change themselves. And once you're out of Windoze hell, there's no reason to whine. So, sensible people should never whine about anything! Of course if it's not your fault, do complain to the appropriate person.
Sometimes complaint is the most effective form of change. If you feel that strongly about Linux, you should work on promoting it in your organization. Demonstrate its features to those in charge, and provide a comparison between the current solution and your perceived-ideal solution.
I think it's the un-sensible people who don't whine; if you never complain, nobody will ever know that you have a problem.
I don't have to keep bashing M$ because I don't user their products.
You aren't really living up to the first part of that
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I Hit the Karma Cap, and All I Got Was This Lousy
> A German AC who fears U.S.-style freedoms more
> than anything else.
I fear two things:
1) not knowing the state of the Nazi movement
2) blocking of non-Nazi sites without public discussion.
The latter is dangerous and might nurture stereotypes on lots of groups.
Apparently 2) just happened.
Well, you better look at your own presidential executive orders, after your country has been hit by international terrorism...Me thinks so far Germans have dealt with their own terrorists quite well without resorting to overwriting judicial procedures. Here they are a "done deal" within the stroke of the president's pen.
Just be a little bit more humble and less "smart" and less prejudiced against your perceived German's lack of understanding of civil liberties.
Take a closer look at your own backyard's judicial dealings first, before lecturing Germans and other Europeans about "freedoms".
I use windows to boot my windows games. thats pretty much it. Why would i want to run gnome on a windows box? Other then having to do some cross-platform testing and tweaking, Arcanum and Empire Earth, that is why i have a high-end windows game system, if that stuff came out on the Mac (yes i know, or Linux) at the same time, I wouldn't even need it to be high end.
someone mentioned earlier, if you work for a company that insists you run a Windows OS, then they are sure as shit not going to be pleased with you installing cygwin-gnome. I mean really, i laud the efforts of cyg, god bless those guys. But really now. why should i bother to jack gnome onto windows when i have five *nix boxes all around me that can do it better?
i went through this with OS10.1 on the Mac. Loved interleaving X-Darwin and OSX and running gimp next to photoshop... but once i stopped showing off to friends i had to ask myself this question, "what exactly is this doing to make me more productive or happy?" Yes i realize the difference is that OSX is far more natively *nix friendly since well, it's pretty much FreeBSD, which is why i stopped messing with XFree-Darwin and can launch gimp from a nice terminal shortcut. But my desire to do the same on a 2K box is well... non-existant.
Linux/FreeBSD is my preferred work environment, Macintosh is my preferred design/client support environment... Windows 2000 Professional is one hell of a robust game launcher.
If Halo and Metropol, etc.. etc.. are ported to PC in a timely fashion then I will have vindicated myself by preordering the Game Cube instead of the X-Box. It will sit nicely next to the PS2 and the Dreamcast (which also does not run linux since... well... i have linux boxes). If i am in error, well Microsoft says it's goal is to drive the price of the X-Box down to about $100US, so if I pick one up in a couple of months for twice that, i will have still saved about 55% off what i see it going for now.
I do not see the great functionality replacing my microwave's interface with a ba$h prompt. i don't want to logon to my car audio system.
You're right in that we don't have the right to say what German's can and can not do. It's just that we're afraid of the same thing you are: having some other country's values slowly pushed upon us. We don't want that kind of censorship pushed upon us in the US.
Yeah, so we have to tolerate a bunch of weird groups in our country. I don't like anything Nazi as much as you. But give an inch and they'll take a mile. What happens when the people in charge don't like what the EFF is saying? Well, if they can censor the Nazis (as an example), why not the EFF? What stops them? The general public won't care, because they won't know the EFF's message.
So we have to let the Nazis talk. We don't have to listen to them. And that allows us to make sure that other minority groups that should be heard, are heard.
(Man, did I ever bite the flamebait from that AC...hehhe)
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Actually, PAL is 25 "frames per second", or more precisely running at 50Hz interlaced (50 half-frames per second, where three half frames make up two complete frames). NTSC runs at roughly 60Hz interlaced (roughly, because as you pointed out it's just slightly less than 30 "frames per second", and so it would be just slightly less than 60 Hz interlaced), meaning 50 half-frames per second. Now munge those numbers around, and I'm sure you can find some reason why a video in PAL format is dropping frames on an NTSC machine (and since the XBox has not had a European release yet, and the rest of the world uses various forms of NTSC, it's not so surprising the US XBoxes don't have correction for 50Hz->60Hz conversion).
So, which country do you think knows more about its own Nazi movement ? The U.S. or Germany ?
I am pretty sure the U.S. doesn't know much about its right-wing potential Nazi movement. Here it runs under other names and is nicely embedded and hidden in other political movements, which don't have an equivalent in Germany and don't exist.
Because everybody in the U.S. believes it's an open and free society (as if Germany isn't since over forty years), they can't believe that there might be underground Nazi movements in the U.S, right ?
And the U.S. believes, because Nazi propaganda is forbidden in Germany, the whole Nazi movement in Germany must be underground and therefore is not known in its size, right? You must be kidding. Germany has its Neo-Nazis and then it has a lot of Anti-Neo-Nazis.
The U.S. has Neo-Nazis and then it has a lot of apolitical ignorants, who think ignoring political movements, they don't like, is a solution to everything. Your pathetic usage of freedom of speech to justify any shit is NOT the cure for everything imaginable on earth, you know.
The winning car, Nuna, was built by the Alpha Centauri team
They can't be from centauri. Everyone knows the game ends the first time humans reach it!
The shareholder is always right.
The German Constitution (Grundgesetz) does not allow censorship however there are some restrictions on free speech..
Hmm... "does not allow censorship" ... "there are some restrictions on free speech"
Glad to see that America isn't the only country where people sometimes have difficulty reading the constitution! :-)
(I know, I know, the constitution isn't black and white like that.. save your flames.)
As I am typing this on WindowsXP, I have vim6.0 in the background as well as Apache 1.3.2. I also have perl 5.6, python, php4, and Mysql installed. There is also a port of Xemacs for Windows for VI haters.
I would not recommend running native unix apps with cygwin on win32 if there is a native version for the platform. The native win32 port of vim for example can integrate with visual studio so you can replace the visual c++ editor with VIM. Very cool stuff! Also according to the documentation of VIM 6, you an also integrate it with Visual Basic applications! I haven't tried this though. Also I have com+ and ole support with the win32 port of perl and python. The win32 version of apache can run ASP. Not optimized yet but its diffenitely possible and will be there soon.
Running the compilied unix versions of these apps with cygwin can introduce compadibility problems as well as integration limitations. E.g. I can't integrate VIM with Visual Studio. I heard strange things happening on postgresSql with cygwin. Also according to the apache documentation, the threading model of Windows is a problem because its optimized for Unix style threads. The win32 version has its own more windows friendly threading which would not be there under cygwin. Remember that cygwin is close to Unix but tts not a %100 unix environment. PostgresSQL may be fixed but you need a particular source just for cygwin so it won't crash or exhibit bugs. This is the problem since most opensource apps will either not compile at all under cygwin or will compile but be buggy. I prefer a native win32 port of gnu apps on Windows and I will run Linux for the Unix ports.
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I don't see how censorship-by-DNS could actually work. The user could point their machine at any DNS server in the world that will take them. Surely there is at least one such server, and it will have accurate DNS records for the banned sites. Why aren't Germans doing this if they want access to the banned sites?
Be sure to go to Sam and Andy's for a Vol burger after you pick up some lawn ornaments at the Big Lots, Tim.
Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
Comments like that make me really sad. If you don't make the decision to make a change yourself, then no one will do it for you. Come on... take the initiative and do something new.
I think you might be missing the point of that comment. The fact of the matter is that a lot of developers, etc., are stuck with whatever OS their company demands of them. I can't just format my work machine and put on Solaris or RedHat, since my office is a MS shop. The same would be true in reverse, too.
I would love to be idealistic and put Linux on my work machine and have IT change every machine in the company, but if you work in a large environment, its a pipe dream. Large companies only care about the bottom line, not about their developers favorite OS. This type of software IS needed. Sad but true.
This is a very classic story I heard ...
;)
A brand new programmer, fresh out of certification (MCSE's and the like) comes to look at a company he's interested in working for. The gurus at the company show him where they work, and show him a terminal on one of their *nix boxen. A guru logs in on the command line and starts up X, shows the new programmer some tools they use. The new programmer is impressed by what he sees and asks about the *nix system: "Does this run as a thread on NT?"
(Apparently NT is the only server platform, right?
-Leo
I managed to get Windowmaker up and running on Cygwin, under Window 98.
Check it out.
I just had to comment out one line of code and change my username so that it didn't have any spaces in it. It might not have all the bells and whistles of KDE or Gnome, but at least it takes up less memory. Probably faster, too.
-- juju
WOW! That would be .... SLOOOOOOOW
And as others have pointed out, VMWare essentially accomplishes this task. It is also an amazing resource hog.
Now what would be really cool is a way to do rapid dual boot. Something where you could have both OS's resident in some sort of temporary memory. So I can hit a key stroke, and like 10 seconds later be in to the other operating system ready to roll. Basically I'm thinking something like souped up version of laptop hibernation where it stores state.
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We've got a US X-Box here and we just tried playing the MGS2 trailer DVD from Japan. It came up with the message "Invalid DVD region" and wouldn't play it. (Me and my roomates == We) We are hypothesizing that perhaps the DVD dongle they make you buy actually has a region encoded into it? That way they can offload the cost of region coding onto you, the consumer. Would be a typical MS move. Anyone have multiple region dongles and want to try it?
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...is to always include a grammatical error, mistake, flawed reasoning, or some other foible in the article. They always include at least one.
Why? Because somebody will always say something about it, and it will generate more page views and hits and stuff, and sometimes they might even get modded up, generating yet more page views and hits and stuff.
Now, you might just think that the editors have no English skills. This might very well be true. I always picture this meeting taking place, where somebody mentions that they need to improve their skills. Then somebody mentions all the page views and hits and stuff.
The real genius here is that not only do they get to be lazy, they actually benefit from the laziness. It's actually a cool hack, and I almost hate to point this out because I might spoil it.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Nice job using recycled Hubble parts!
ttyl
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quite interesting site: ;-)
http://www.firmware.fr.st/
Note that i think DVD should die, this standard is
way to bigbrotherish...
Most of the world uses PAL. NTSC is a small minority of countries.
...but as for XFree86, I definitely don't think it's as easy as the other two. Cygwin runs under an internet "stub" installer, whereas ith XF you download about eighty packages, then navigate through the directory structure...... blah blah.
./Xinstall.sh. This was extremely easy to do, and the defaults were all fine, albeit nongraphical.
I think Xfree has changed since you last looked at it. I installed 4.1 the other day and it was about fifteen or so binary packages, many of which were unecessary. Installation involved launching Cygwin's shell and running
If you're interested, check out the
screenshot of my Linux box accessing my Windows box via RDP, accessing my Linux box via Xfree86.
Yes it's true - now you can have all the power of Linux, on Linux!
:)
Actually this is old news (11/21/01), but I haven't seen this being mentioned before in this discussion about the German site banning. A member of the German government (SPD) responsible for new media has released a statement regarding the matter at his website, here (German)
:P)
In short, he calls that local politican in NRW a "Schaumschlaeger", which is basically saying "that guy has no clue, acts like he has no clue and just wants to get some attention for the next election". He also says, that banning sites is very dubious in the eyes of the law, whereas DNS banning is not just dubious but technically impossible. Such action would only increase the popularity of the targeted sites, and would also create mirrors, which in turn would ridicule the action. He also states, that DNS banning can be circumvented by the easiest of methods by every user.
He concludes, that instead more concern should be focused on teaching young kids how to cope with the medium in a responsible way, and that the state should focus on "fighting" the creators of such Nazi, child porn etc. sites - instead of fighting the internet as such.
He also mentiones, that banning is generally unrealistic, as there is no way to decide in consent which sites should get banned and he mentiones something like a filter, which could be used by parents not by the state.. etc.. (Sorry, for my humble English, it's not my primary language and it's rather late over here.
The hard part is to find creative ways to get the public, and maybe the politicans, to understand what evil things the politicians are doing. I don't understand the local attitudes in your areas well enough to say what are the best ways to present your case. Some ideas I can think of:
- You are trying to research the evils that the Nazis did during the War, and you are trying to research the evils that remaining Nazis are doing today, and these internet censors are making it hard to locate the evildoers. Or you help organizations that watch Nazis to find them on the web, but the censorship makes it difficult.
- The censorship tools are forcing the current Nazis to use higher technology - bad enough that those partially-literate thugs are using the Internet, but now the censors are giving them a reason to learn more technology which they will use to organize their evil groups in secrecy, instead of more public locations where they can be found.
- Perhaps you have Internet services that you want to prevent Nazis from using, but it is difficult to identify the Nazis because of the censorship.
- Perhaps the censorship is hiding other things, not just Nazis - Former Stasi? Corruption? Lazy Police? The only way to know is to permit transparency.
Some of these approaches require you to be actively working on Nazi-hunting to be credible; some of them only require you to care about censorship or about making it easy for other people to fight Nazis. You will have to find your own path here.Bill Stewart
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Microsoft Interix - a UNIX-compatible subsystem and tools for NT/2000. $99. (Bonus: Includes Microsoft GCC!)
/. interview with the Interix developer, but it unfortunately turned into a flamewar and Interix wasn't discussed much.)
While it doesn't solve the integration problems (com, VS), it might solve the threading issues (as well as the security issues) because it operates on kernel level (native?) instead of in user space as with cygwin and other solutions.
I'm curious if anyone has any firsthand experience porting/using the typical OSS software with Interix. There's not much 3rd party information on the web (that I can find), and MS seems to sell it as a migration solution only.
(There was a
Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
But many of us aren't PC developers - we're network hackers, or consultants, or router developers, and that PC on our desk is a communication tool maintained by some IT department that wants to make sure we can word-process, print, email, surf, dial up from the road, and fill out forms in a compatible fashion, so to them we're just Users. In that environment, most of them don't care what extra tools you use as long as you don't ask them for support and don't mess up the tools they do support in confusing ways. So sure, if you've got the disk space, install Cygwin and X and GNOME and EMACS, and just make sure that when you send the HR folks the Excel spreadsheet that says what projects you worked on this month and which customers to charge for it, you're using their favorite macros and column headings. And use that other removable disk drive tray to run Linux with WINE on top :-)
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PAL - Phase Alternation by Line, 1967
625 vertical lines, 50 half frames (sets of odd or even lines) displayed per second
Afghanistan, Algeria, Argentina (PAL-N), Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brunei, Cameroon, Canary Islands, China, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ghana, Gibralter, Greece (also SECAM), Hong Kong, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Kenya, North Korea, Kuwait, Liberia, Luxembourg (also SECAM), Madeira, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay (PAL-N), Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia (also SECAM), Siera Leone, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Swaziland, Tanzania, Thailand, Turkey, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Uruguay (PAL-N), Yeman (the former Yeman Arab Republic was PAL, and the former People's Democratic Republic of Yeman was NTSC ), Yugoslavia, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
PAL-M -
525 lines, 60 half frames per second.
Brazil only
NTSC - National Television System Committee, 1953
525 vertical lines, 59.94 half frames displayed per second.
USA, Antigua, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bermuda, Bolivia, Burma, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Greenland, Guam, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Netherlands Antilles, Nicaragua, Panama, Peru, Philippines, Puerto Rico, St. Vincent & the Grenadines, St. Kitts, Saipan, Samoa, Surinam, Taiwan, Tobago, Trinidad, Venezuela, Virgin Islands.
SECAM - Systeme Electronique Couleur Avec Memoire, 1967
625 lines, 50 half frames per second.
Albania, Benin, Bulgaria, Congo, former Czechosolvakia, Djibouti, Egypt, France, French Guiana, Gabon, Greece (also PAL), Guadeloupe, Haiti, Hungary, Iran, Iraq, Ivory Coast, Lebanon, Libya, Luxembourg (also PAL), Madagascar, Martinique, Mauritius, Monaco (also PAL), Mongolia, Morocco, New Caledonia, Niger, Poland, Reunion, Romania, Saudi Arabia (also PAL), Senegal, Syria, Tahiti, Togo, Tunisia, former USSR, Viet Nam, Zaire.
It was not the German Government who blocked those sites, it was the Government of the State of Nordrhein-Westfahlen which is only one state of 16 in the Federal Republic of Germany. (It would be similar if, maybe, Iowa started to block websites, which is only 1/51th of the whole US).
Also those censoring requests were only limited to two local ISPs which are resident in Nordrhein-Westfalen. Apart from the apparent impracticality of such a request (It would suffice to use another ISP based in one of the other states to still access those sites) from a legal standpoint it is forbidden to publish certain Material related to National Socialism in germany.
This includes but is not restricted to: Adolf Hitlers "Mein Kampf", certain Nazi Symbols like the swastika or the regalia of the SS or the Gestapo (but only when they are not used for educational purposes), Promotion of the Nazi Ideology (the legal term is "Volksverhetzung" which is a federal offesne) and the denial of the Holocaust. (Which is also a federal offense).
It might seem quite strange to American people to actually restrict something like that, especially since "Freedom of speech" is one of their prime directives (which leaves room to discussion) but especially when it comes to anything concerned with National Socialism, german politicians get extremely cautious and PC.
One cause for this policy is that we fear that something like WW2 or the Holocaust might actually happen again if we are not very careful. (Which is to some extend simply paranoia).
But we do have a Nazi Problem in Germany. Those right wing groups are very well organized. (Quite similar to those in the US) Some studies say that there are about 500.000 People in Germany who actually support this Ideology. (But the radicals are still only a minority)
Almost the only way to actually arrest the leaders of this movement is to outlaw the Use of National socialistic Symbols and propaganda. Would we handle it like the US then we could never get hold of them and actually could only watch impassively as the would gather more followers.
Something which no right thinking German could easily allow.
It is not a policy of "looking the other way" quite the contrary. I leave it to you to evaluate if this is the right way (tm), but actually suggesting that germany does this so it can calm its conscience is not only wrong but also very offensive to me.
Jeff
Bullshit. It is totaly legal for Nazis to march through the streets of Germany. Hell, when they do, people try to take that as proof that Germany is still Nazi.
Lars T.
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I'd like to plug UnxUtils, which are native Win32 GNU utilities.
Personally, I extract all the exes directly to my \WINNT directory.
hawk
. . . have a Jar-Jar free discussion? Isn't "Jag-ar an idiot" well settled by now???
hawk
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