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Interplay Targeted By Bioware-fare
corby writes: "Bioware Corp., developer of the highly anticipated multiplayer Dungeons & Dragons game Neverwinter Nights, is escalating the conflict with their troubled publisher Interplay. In September, they filed a lawsuit against the publisher, and now they have terminated their contract with Interplay to distribute Neverwinter Nights. The problem is, these guys need each other. The loss of Neverwinter Nights means that Interplay will lose out on substantial revenue from a surefire hit, but Interplay is apparently the only company with rights to distribute games under the AD&D license."
... yet another example of crappy headlines! That title was just used to feed off the current thoughts of bio-terrorism. Bah I say to yee.
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Please, in these times of terrorists sending anthrax through the US Postal system, it is considered at least poor taste to joke about game developers being hit by biological warfare.
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Surely it is legal to distribute an Open Source AD&D game?
AD&D is generally taken to refer to the second edition Dungeons & Dragons Rules.
Neverwinter Nights will be based on the 3rd edition D&D rules (D&D3e), which is different from AD&D.
A link to the 3rd Edition System Reference Document with all the core rules released to the Open Gaming Foundation (including Psionics!) may be found here.
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Despite how redundent this post is going to be in about 5 minutes, I have to add my 2 cents: I think Slashdot editors are actually pretty decent, despite their love for types, but that headline IS crazy.
Laugh at stupidity: mod idiots +1 Funny.
When Hasbro bought out Wizards of the Coast and sold off their rights to D&D computer games, you could see something like this eventually happening. Wizards had a 'Mastertools' program under development which was designed to remove all the bookkeeping tedium of handling a campaign. Once the license was transferred to Interplay, WotC had to gut the project to ensure compliance. I wish them all the best against Interplay.
"Einstein argued that [...] God is not capricious or arbitrary. No such faith comforts the software engineer." ~ Brooks
Stated reason was difficulty breaking them from an MS framework. Seems like a designer fubared by choosing that framework to begin with, huh?
They need each other, they don't want to play with each other.
What are we gonna say?
Fuck 'em - they deserve each other, though it would be nice to see the game come out. I hate it when adults act like children, damn....
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MasterTools has not been "gutted". It's still in active development, and seems to be on track for release in the first quarter of 2002.
In fact, Ryan Dancey posted updated info regarding the project just two days ago on the WotC Message Boards.
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http://www.opengamingfoundation.org
http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html
The second link is to the SYSTEM REFERENCE DOCUMENT for D20/DnD. It contain's most of the content from the Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, Monsters Manual I, and the Psionics Handbook.
Was this agreement maid pre-Wizard or back in the TSR days? If it was made back with TSR, then it makes sense (TSR was having troubles finacaliy if I recall). But nowadays, I don't see why Wizards couldn't just publish it themselves. I'd be very suprised if they didn't already have a few published titles and more so if they couldn't handle this one.
I got a giggle out of it, at least...
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Aw, man - that's a pretty shitty state of affairs. But I suppose it does graphically illustrate why developing products based on licenced properties is generally a Bad Thing (or at least something to be done with extreme care) for any game developer. (Being someone who has been bitten by having a licence holder suddenly refuse to let us release our finished game because of Sony's attitude to all things not Playstation 2).
Who cares, those games are for nerds and satanists.
http://www.poolofradiance.com/
I don't see any mention of Interplay or Bioware there, yet it's an AD&D computer game. Would anyone care to explain?
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Once again slashdot amazes me with the ability not to be able to post reliable or good information.
Bioware CAN publish titles under AD&D license, interplay has been rideing the "bioware" wave for over a year now. Bioware has every damn right to terminate their contract, especially since Interplay VIOLATED the terms of it.
The game is slated to be released Mar 2002, and on another note, I submited this story on wednesday.
I have posted anonymusly in order to protect myself and other sources.
If Bioware can't hash things out with Interplay, I'm sure they can get a deal with Infogrames.
Ed Chauvin IV
Bunch of wart-faced trolls getting worked up over a bunch of "pimply-faced dorks". Don't YOU people have lives at all?
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This definately needs mod'ing up! I can't stop laughing now. Oh, where for art a moderator when one is needed? :)
The part that does mention AD&D indicates that it is being used under license, no mention of exclusivity.
Can anyone clear this up?
-- Dan
I hope they can find a good pub. because I've been waiting for Neverwinter Nights for a hella long time. Oh, and Bioware, if you don't get this game published, damn you.
If I wasn't so lazy, I'd have a sig.
Interplay, the game publisher, is being targeted (in a lawsuit) by Bioware (the game developer)-fare
According to Gamespot [gamespot.com] "Despite the announcement, the developer plans to release the Dungeons & Dragons game on schedule in early 2002." Still, I'm a bit worried. I think NWN has a huge potential, as it allows players to both play a fun MMORPG and allow the more hardcore players to create and play their own D&D adventure - like these [www.nwdl.net] people. I think a NWN Dragonlance will be great, so I really hope Bioware can finish it.
You'll see a few intresting titles / names, does anyone know what these were licensed for?
* Bill Watterson - Calvin and Hobbes - This one I really don't understand, Bill didn't license anyone C&H...
* Peter Townhend - Tommy
* Mario, Luigi, The Princess, Yoshi and Koopa are trademarks of Nintendo of America, Inc
* Rodney Dangerfield Copyright © 1997 Dangerfield Entertainment
* Statistics provided by STATS, Inc. © 1998. All rights reserved
Makes you wonder what these chacters are used in / licensed for...
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Infogrames(a french company) owns the rights to D&D computer games. Once Interplay was bought by Titus (another french company) it was obivous things were going to get ugly. I still think NWN will get released.
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Put Baldur's Gate and Rogue side by side, and you see that Bioware has done more than just computerize D&D. They've greatly enhanced the user experience with sophisticated interaction, simulation, and non-player character engine. And they've also created a story that is sophisticated enough to engage but simple enough to be managed by a "Dungeon Master" that's just a piece of software, and thus has no ability to improvise. That last is not technically sophisticated, but it's what impresses me the most.
The correct address for OpenRPG is http://www.openrpg.com, not openrpg.org. In any event, OpenRPG is a generalized Roleplaying system, not something specially tailored to D&D 3e, so its capacities for D&D3e are less than what MT possibly would have had.
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That's just a declaration of who owns copyright to things seen on the site.
Black Isle (which is related to Bioware) tried to use GURPS (it was to be the foundation for Fallout) but Steve Jackson games were apparently too much of a pain in the ass to deal with so they striped out the gurps system and created their own.
I hope Bioware and Interplay can make friends out of this and get the game out. The remake of Pool of Radiance sucked because of it's technical problems. Damn big business software!
...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
The legalese merely states that D&D, the D&D logo, etc. are property of Wizards and Hasbro blah blah and Interplay is using them under license from the trademark owners. Interplay absolutely does NOT have exclusive rights to publish D&D electronic games.
Derek
Regarding our recent announcement of Neverwinter Nights contract termination with Interplay, we can't comment on this, except to say that BioWare is looking forward to releasing Neverwinter Nights on schedule, early in 2002. Development at BioWare is continuing on both Neverwinter Nights and Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic as well as on other as yet unannounced projects."
I'm thinking people are jumping the gun.
Everybody's complaining and, dare I say it, whining about the headline being misleading...
:)
Thank (insert favorite deity here) it isn't! Something interesting for a change! Had enough of this terrorism business.
On a more related note, can't wait for NWN!
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How does releasing the product as a non-commercial, open source game, suddenly make it legal to violate the trademarks, and copyrights that Hasbro holds on the AD&D gaming system?
Just because you're not charging for it, doesn't mean you can steal someone elses works to include. Just try and include some Metallica MP3's, in an open source projet of some sort, and see how well that flies.
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it appears in response to criticism michael has changed the headline.
without using the update tag of course.
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Black Isle isn't so much affiliated with BioWare... Black Isle is a division of Interplay.
-JacobC
How about makers of MMORPGs come up with something remotely new and inventive? Stop dragging out the Dungeons and Dragons license for the 50,000th time. You know, there are some rather interesting things you could come up with.
I'd guess not, but I've seen some 34sided dice. Not really sure what use they are, but they were nifty.
...and so the comment ended.
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lol, nice nihilist definition. wish i had a mod point for ya.
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Perhaps it makes more sense to say Bio-warfare??
Wow. What a great link. I've read Chick's stuff before, but that's probably the most insane one I've ever seen. I'll definitely post it to my gaming group.
If no one has noticed, and I'm certain no one here who has posted has -- Interplay owns the exclusive computer game license to Forgotten Realms, not D&D 2nd or 3rd Edition. So Bioware can either get Interplay's nod to publish the game with someone else, make the game not Forgotten Realms, or the multitude of other options they have.
Ummm... You can play it online and with up to 64 people on a server. Sounds like a MMORPG to me, though smaller than EQ, DAoC, AC, etc...
DOH sorry about that
There are 2 other companies that could publish Neverwinter Nights...
Ubisoft still has a license for another game.
Infogrames owns the rights to all Electronic Hasbro Properties for the next 15 years.
So it's not like BioWare is without a publisher..
As for the Open Gaming License.. it could be used. But BioWare would have to remove ALL Forgotten Realms references from the game since Forgotten Realms doesn't qualify as Open Content under the Open Content License of the Open Gaming License. (Hows that for confusing?)
I already placed an order for NWN with tuxgames...
grah
I think most people would have a problem with the first M.. You know the Massively part.
MMORPG
Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game
vs
MORPG
Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game
Most people don't consider 64 people Massively.
Empire and Muds (Mush/Muck/Mage/Diku/LPMUD/MudOS/etc) could all support that many people. I don't ever remember anyone calling any of those MMORPG.
-Jerry
The NEW Advanced Angels and Saviours! The only Christian Role Playing Game! (from the makers of Advanced Path to Allah!)
Leading Brother:"Great! You have enough experience points for a level 12 cleric. Your character is a 'Prophet of Christianity'!"
Player:"Cool! My 'Water to Wine' spell worked! The Roman gaurds see the light of God! I'm going to cast 'Manna From Heaven' on the Roman governor now!"
Leading Brother:"OK. Roll the twenty sided... You'll need at least a 15"
{Player rolls a 1}
Leading Brother:"The spell fails and they crucify you!"
Player:"Doh!"
If this offends anyone, oh well. Consider it my revenge for six years of trying to play D&D at catholic school.
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Why doesn't bioware just distribute it via shareware? It worked for doom and wolfenstien. Like a dope dealer, first hit is free, second one is gonna cost ya.
it wasn't Interplay that got it nixed - it was Infogrammes and Hasbro's deal. Interplay had nothing to do with that.
InThane
No, this isn't flamebait. I'm glad that they might get out of the AD&D business, and back to writing original, interesting, and easy-to-use adventures. Baldur's Gate was ok, but it was too tied to what it tried to reproduce -- AD&D, without going all the way.
Fallout was excellent because it was a role-playing game, but it wasn't any RPG you'd ever seen, short of pen-and-paper. What made Fallout great were the multiple conversation paths and the options you'd get, based on how knowledable or personable you were. It also helped that it was structured, but not overwhelmingly linear.
Yes, it had flaws, but the gameplay more than made up for it, and that's what I want to see more of.
corby stated that "Interplay is apparently the only company with rights to distribute games under the AD&D license" while this is only partially true.
I'm pretty sure that Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro split the Dungeons and Dragons lines into several different developers' hands. Interplay owns only Forgotten Realms (which includes the Baldurs Gate games, Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter Nights) and Planescape.
Due to a grandfather clause, SSI (the company to first publish D&D games, including Eye of the Beholder, Shattered Lands, Menzoberranzan, Strahd's Possession) can still produce Forgotten Realms games. They publish through Mattel, NOT Interplay. Take a look at the Pool of Radiance site for more information. Oh, and Pool of Radiance will also use the D&D 3rd Edition rules (and is the first and only video/computer game out currently to do so).
I believe that other companies (not Interplay) have rights to other D&D worlds, such as Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Birthright (Sierra owned this one a few years ago but the line may be dead), and Greyhawk.
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BTW, Wizards of the Coast is a division of Hasbro now. WotC bought TSR with the fortune they made from Magic: The Gathering, and then Hasbro swallowed them up.
... Hasbro does that:
...WotC's staff have always been enamored with D Peter Adkinson, CEO, is supposedly a really good Dungeon Master. The world he created had a group of wizards who called themselves the "Wizards of the Coast."
oop. MTG didn't give too much money to wotc (not enough to buy the near-bankrupt TSR and survive with a chance of success). It was Pokemon and WotC's alliance with Nintendo that raked in the cash. It was Pokemon that Hasbro bought WOtC for. Magic and D&D were just "bonuses"
Hasbro bought Microprose to get into the computer game industry, Avalon Hill was suing over the rights to the name of competing games called "Civilization" - so Hasbro just bought Avalon Hill rather than fight them. The entire development team at AH was scrapped as was almost the entire product line (except, of course, Diplomacy).
here's a fun fact for ya: Wizards of the Coast made unofficial D&D accessories (and greetings cards) before picking up a certain Richard Garfield and introducing the world to Magic.
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