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Who Works During the Holidays?
While sitting here at my computer, plugging away at tending the bin,
I started wondering who else might be hard at work, instead of
enjoying what most in the world (especially in America) would consider
"the Holidays". I've stumbled into working this season for the second
year in a row, and I find myself not bothered much by it at all. If
you had asked me even 5 years ago if I would give up my Christmas
vacation for work, I would have laughed and answered with a resounding
"No!". Have any of you fallen into similar behavior? As an aside, what
Holidays do many of you find yourselves working, whether it be
Christmas, Thanksgiving, or some other Holiday, what drives you to work
when others are enjoying their time off?
We are the location that some people take their vacations. So, I'm at work.
Does school work count?
(my thesis project never sleeps)
I find the need and want for money, more than an ample substitute to work whilst everyone is on holiday, especially if the company you work for will give you the holiday time later as well :)
Why the Hell else would I be posting to Slashdot on Christmas, if I weren't slacking off at work?
"Hardly used" will not fetch you a better price for your brain.
It might piss people off, but my job is what I would be doing if I was independently wealthy. I work during holidays because it's just too much fun to miss.!
Oil of Wormwood: because absinthe makes the heart grow fonder.
For 2 years during my tech support days, I was Seanet's token jew employee. I was the only person who would work that day, manning all of the phones. In 1995, it was all worth it. Seanet is located on the 68 floor of what was then called the Columbia Tower. That day a thick fog had rolled into Seattle. When I got into the office, the view was amazing. You couldn't see the city below, but you could see the Cascades (and the occasional top of a building) poking through the clouds below. I spent the day watching that, blissfully unbothered by customers - apparently no one wanted to call an ISP on Christmas.
That said, Christmas Eve and Christmas Day are traditionally covered by our Jewish colleagues.
-ccm
Too much Law; not enough Order.
That's the thing about working in a home office. You're always at work, even if you're sick, even if it's a holiday. Especially at my home, because it's small and we're in the middle of a perpetual remodel job. My main computer and desk are not removed from the chaos of life, and so my work life and my home life are hopelessly intertwined.
It's not so bad, though. My fellow staff members are kind of like members of the family, always right there in IRC, every day.
Tina
news editor / reporter
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"Holidays"... what are they?!
# man -k holiday
holiday: nothing appropriate.
Hmmm.....
I just don't know what else to do with my time. Everyone else is off with their families, or out of town on holiday. I enjoy my work for the most part, especially when I can do it without interruption, which is tougher during the week. If I were at home, I'd just be banging away on the computer.
The alternative is to go home and celebrate Christmas with mom and the sibs, but Christmas is pretty much ruined for me. I don't like the commercial aspect of it, and I don't like that mom would expect me to attend church if I went back there. I'd rather just visit on a few non-holidays, get together because we want to get together, not because it's been prescribed by the churches and every shop with lights in the window.
i got out of bed and had a rant on irc. had dinner with family, then headed too the study to work on my secret coding project. there bugger all else to do, tv is 25 year old xmas special repeats. i couldn't think of a better way to spend my holiday than coding whilst listening to bbc lord of the rings (i should convert it too ogg vorbis).
Bastards...
Usually don't work, don't really like it. Last year I went home for Christmas (Norway). This year, I'm not (going to Las Vegas for New Year, though). Only reason I'm at work is that there are stuff I wanted done before the New Year. Start the new year with a clean set of sheet, so to speak:-)
Happy Holidays, and God Jul og Godt Nytt Aar.
Je ne parle pas francais.
Unfortunately, holidays are usually fabulous times to do server and infrastructure-type things that would normally be disruptive.
As I result I've done a LOT of server and network upgrades over Thanksgivings, Labor Days, Memorial Days, etc.
I'm sure lots of others have too.
Holidays are just usually too useful to let pass by without getting something done. In the end, the headaches saved (in lieu of turkey and mashed potatoes) are usually my own.
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For those of us who are lucky enough to have jobs we truely enjoy doing, it's like we're on vacation all year long!
I wish everyone would enjoy their jobs as much as I enjoy mine.
As one set of research grant deadlines for major U.S. Federal agencies fall early in the year (NSF: Jan 15, NIH: Feb 1), most Decembers find me plugging away.
For those of us in academia, especially on the tenure-track, "holidays" often mean "when you're not teaching and can get around to writing up your papers or grant proposals", although I'm pleased to say that I'm also getting to travel to see my family (hooray for the laptop and the spread of home broadband).
- Alan, Asst Professor of Clinical Decision Making
..because the internet doesn't take a holiday.
I've been at work since 8am, and will be here for another hour (it's 7pm here..)
//Phizzy
"Most European technology just isn't worth our stealing," -- Former CIA chief James Woolsey, referring to Echelon
military personnel
police personnel
fire sqads
paramedics, doctors and nurses
lots of personnel in the transport industry
lots of people in the IT/comms industry (yes, average/. user, that probably means you, among others)
people in charge of basic supplies (water, electricitiy,...)
If you compare all these groups you might find that this easy brainy job IT job in front of a keyboard yields best pay and comfort and the smallest risk. So stop whining if you have to work over the holidays - others are doing for you all the time.
+++ath0
I'm actually at home... on the VPN. Working on not one, but TWO partner websites. Due the 1st. Ayep.
And this morning? Went in and installed a brand new switch chassis, by myself. Nearly broke my hand when it slipped while I was trying to install it in the rack. But it's installed and running.
And for the record, I do celebrate Xmas too.
This post is fucking bullshit. After having tried to submit various *legitimate* posts to SlashDot during the last year, each with perfect spelling, great grammar, and insightful information, each has been rejected. But drivel like this shit gets through. How fucking lame, SlashDot moderators. Have a nice fucking holiday.
I know Asian restaurants (e.g., Chinese, Korean, etc.) are opened on Christmas but I think with limited hours (close earlier).
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
When I was a kid, I never knew when we would open presents was because my father was a firefighter who often pulled Christmas duty. Most years we celebrated a day or two early... probably because I still remember that one year we didn't....
By the time my father was senior enough to regularly have the holidays off, I was working at Disney World and low enough on the pecking order (seasonal, HS or college age) that I always worked during the peak holiday hours.
I've always found it interesting how indifferent people are to this. I'm not sure if it's a defense mechanism (against guilt), or something else. The Duke University book on Disney World even mentioned this - one researcher visited on Thanksgiving Day and noted just how disconnected most people were between their holiday and the way they treated the people who had to work.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
(She works as a Radio / Helicopter landing officer)
I was lucky and just cought the last chopper to the beach from another rig
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I'm always willing to work Christmas Eve and Christmas, as long as I can get my Pagan holidays off...the Solstices, Equinoxes, and Cross-quarter days (those inbetween the Solstices, Equinoxes).
Blessed Be, and Brigit Bless
Farrell McGovern,Druid.
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I'm in the same boat - I work at Copper Mtn in Colorado doing telecom/datacom/misc IS stuff. I've always wondered what kind of a freak family gets together to ski on Christmas, but there seems to be enough to fill all of our lodging.
I heard Little Cottonwood canyon got dumped on, how's the snow? What resort are you at?
PS. Wanna trade comp passes?
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Christmas is just one of those religious holidays. Since I have nothing to do with any religion whatsoever, on this day I do whatever I want - I am at work at the moment.
I got lucky, doing network operations on the evening shift in a high-availability 24x7x365 shop for 6 years. "The Holidays" were my best time for making overtime pay, taking shifts for people with kids, or who were on trips.
It earned me the brownie points to be able to take days off the rest of the year without anyone hesitating to say "yes" even when I wanted things like 4-day weekends.
But I'm Japan now. Dec. 24 is the Emporer's birthday, so Monday was a holiday, but Dec. 25th is just another day.
However, NewYears is a really big thing here. For three days there is actually almost nothing open for business. Not stores, not restaurants, not offices, banks, whatever. It's amazing! It's really a good idea to stock up on food, unless you like rice-balls from the local AM-PM which is the only thing open.
But we're back to work on the 4th (Friday), back to normal. A one day work week! I wonder how long it will take them to legislate a one-day work week in France?
Bob-
The Ludwig von Mises Institute. The reasoning individuals economics
Does moderating Slashdot count as work?
I'm in the US Coast Guard, and I've worked 2 out of the last three christmas's (I hope I plurarlized that right).
If I had a choice, I'd be home with my wife as its her first christmas away from her folks. Merry Christmas (and Happy Holidays) to all the other military personnel, netadmins, sysadmins, and every other *admin out there working on this time for joy.
Merry Chrstmas
ET3 William J Kenny III, USCG
Eric... You suck...
Don't listen to the Fat Bastard, he's lying! It's us, the Elves and Reindeers, that do all the work!
Damn you Santa!
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My friend works at a Home Depot, and she had to be in until 6:00 yesterday. Christmas Eve. Who the hell buys bathroom tiles on Christmas Eve?
I did the Waffle House cook thing for 2.5 years, and when they say they're open 24 hours a day 7 days a week, well they also mean 365 days a year. Three Christmases I worked. You get paid double time, so it's not totally uncompensated. Personally I was always amazed at how crazy busy Chrismas is at the Waffle House, even on the third shift.
RFC2119
Fortunately we have 2-3 (or more) people assigned to support each system, so we can rotate the hot pagers around. I have to carry it this Christmas/New Years, but had Thanksgiving off. (Like I said someone has to carry the pager!)
When working contracts in manufacturing, major holidays were the busiest times, as it was the only time the manufacturing lines were down long enough to do non-emergency system upgrades and enhancements.
About the only contracts I've ever had that didn't require holiday work were pure programming jobs for the Telco and Property Management sectors.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
I am suprised no one mentioned the Euro, I work for a Bank in Ireland and althought no one is working tonight. The are people in the rest of the holidays. The way some people are going on about it you would have thought somebody just happend to mention to them about it on Friday. We aren't Even one of the major banks here so I would have thought all across Europe more People will be either working or oncall. More in line with what happened for Y2K than a normal festive season
> so many people just recognize it for the commercial side, but not the birth of Jesus Christ. What it originally was for.
What nonsense.
First, from what book did you get Dec 25 for Christ's Birthday?? Quote me the scripture/verse if you got this from the Bible.
Secondarily, if Christ wanted us to celebrate his birthday, *why* isn't it mentioned at ALL in the New Testament?
If you can't even do proper exegesis, don't even bother posting.
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I mean, it's the only day you can actually get something done. Nobody to bother you, no distractions. Just you and the machine.
Plus, most employers should give you a comp day, so you can take vacation when you actually want to.
Can your IM do this?
I don't know which is worse, having to work a shift on a holiday or being on-call. Working a shift you know when you can be with friends and family. On-call you never know when you might have to leave, or how far you can travel. I prefer working a shift, but others say the odd of being called when on-call is slim so they like that. I don't know.
Here in Europe, we're getting a new currency next week. And gosh darn it, that mean's that I've got to be in work. For the last few weeks, I've needed to be in from 3am every day, and that'll continue until the end of the year. The bright side is we'll have a cool, new pan-European currency at the end of it.
It's funny how you don't appreciate how much work goes into changing a currency until you've got to update the software on tens of thousands of terminals across Europe.
Of course, this is a once-off. It'll never happen again. Just like the night of 31-12-99 that I spent in front of a bank of computers.
> so many people just recognize it for the commercial side, but not the birth of Jesus Christ. What it originally was for.
What nonsense.
Yes, it ought to be perfectly obvious to anyone that it's to show off how affluent and spendthrift we are and how, at least once a year, we can wallow in material possessions with someone besides ourselves. Those who would claim that it's about a child being born in Bethlehem 2000 years ago are clearly delusional and taking advantage of our yearly celebaration of Mammon to spread dubious religious propaganda. Forget those barbarians - on with the potlatch!
Some good points you raise. I caught myself almost hoping for this holiday disruption to come to an end... we have offices in San Jose, Toronto, London and Hong Kong so you can imagine the work around the clock and the effort keeping track of everyone's holidays. When I just found myself regretting the holiday, that was kind of a wake-up call. I do not really want a coronary at 43 (I'm 42 now).
So... although I do not mind working this day or any other day, I am going to sit back and enjoy a few days off, really off. I shall not even check my email, my blackberry, my cell phone. I'll work on my private web site instead. Happy holidays; everyone!
Mike
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Is it only coincidence that this falls on the second anniversary of the Hotmail/Passport outage that gave Michael Chaney his fifteen minutes of Slashdot fame?
>> Jesus never said to celebrate his birthday.
> But why wouldn't we? He never said that we should not, and Jesus is the basis of Christianity, which would makes his birth vital.
He clearly said to celebrate his death (and resurrection), not his birth. If he wanted us to do *both* don't you think he would of said so?!
And all the other servicemen.
As an prior Security Force Marine I can't remember the number of holidays I spent in a guard shack. We used to draw little christmas trees and tape it to the bullet proof glass. It was against regulations but every year it seemed to get overlooked.
A few Years ago I remeber hearing the base commander had driven all over camp Pendelton on christmas eve and brought a mug of hot Chocolat to every Marine on guard duty. There were probably to many for him to get them all, but the fact he took time out of his holidays to do that was something many of the marines never forgot.
Semper Fi to all the Marines and other service men and women out there.
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Dear A.C.,
Unfortunately, basic personality traits come through in writing style quite clearly, and very quickly.
If these three A.C. postings were actually made by the same person, which seems likely since they're of the same style, you can be mostly assured that you would not in fact ever be an employee of mine.
Self confidence is a good trait, it leads to success. Arrogance overlayed on stupidity usually leads only to profanity.
Bob-
The Ludwig von Mises Institute. The reasoning individuals economics
Though I'm sure hackers work on holidays too, and I wouldn't dream of intentionally insulting either group!
Many of us can remember working through many holidays during 1999 -- single handily holding off impending doom from the evils of Y2K...I think since then people have just figured that us "computer nerds" don't mind putting in a few extra hours over the holiday.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
Same for doctors, cops, firemen, etc.
Oh wait, you meant only geek jobs that don't get the holidays off? Picky picky. :)
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
I'm in Turkey, where it isn't a holiday, so I'm working. Actually, they would've given me the day off, but since my family isn't here, there wasn't much point.
A few weeks ago was Ramadan, where observant folks fast during daylight hours. At the end of that was 3 days of Bayram, which is when people go around visiting family and friends. Bayram is a non-work holiday, but I work in a data center, so it was work as usual.
As a note, Muslim holidays are based on a lunar calendar, so they don't come at the same time every year - sometimes Ramadan is during the summer. So you can't really assume that December is a holiday pretty much everywhere.
-- Sigs are for losers
So is the ban of sales of alcohol on Sunday in some states. That's quite unfair to several religions. And it pisses me off. I think if I win the lottery I'll use a few million to sue state governments over this.
You'll be glad to know though, that people on the Mass Pike from Springfield to Boston were not celebrating Christmas in any way, shape, or form. It was war as usual.
Two come to mind immediately:
... we oversold that item, sorry. Oh yeah, there's no more left in the district." He told me that one guy actually brought the Sears worker over to his son and said "See him Son? He ruined Christmas for us."
1) People at warranty companies. NeW (the company that OfficeMax and Best Buy go through) and GE all boast 24/7 technical support on many items (printers and scanners, etc.) Obviously there needs to be someone there to pick up the phones. I have a friend that used to work at technical support and he would tell the usual horror stories, the usual idiotic customers and the usual rude customer. I'm not sure if customers tend to be better or not in Christmas, it could go either way (the stress from the holiday season and the product not working could cause rude customers, but then again the cheer and joy of the moment may cause more understanding customers... it could be a wash).
2) A job at a wearhouse or major department store.
This is a job I do not envy at all. I know a guy who works at Sears. People go there and buy large items for their families (usually sons or daughters) but pick them up later. Of course, Sears oversells all of these products, so on Christmas Eve when these customers come back to pick up the product they already paid for, its HIS job to tell them "oops
That's some messed up shit.
I worked in retail.
I worked at Price Club, then PriceCostco, then Costco.
XMas was a dark horrible time filled with dark horrible people who sucked the life from my weary, heavy heart.
Some of the bastards worked me like a rented mule even though was struggling through finals and others were hideous pod people sprouted from Hell to shop and bust balls. The rest was 'bicker without ceasing' family.
Now I actually have a job where the boss comes into my office on the 20th and says, "Jesus Christ Lou, go home, and don't come back until the third!"
Alas this year he and his marketing wife had their first baby a few days before X Mas so I have to work tomorrow.
That aside I really love the holidays now. Especially the part where my 2 year old boy hands me his homemade thing-a-ma-bob and says, "I _do_ love you daddy!"
This
I directly accessed The Register using their IP address (213.40.196.64) and found that the server was still up, but that the home page carries a last update timestamp of 24 December at 15:29 GMT—over a day and a half ago.
...
% 241%40FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw&output=gplain
So not only has the domain name been detagged, it appears that the site itself has gone into hibernation as well. Does anyone have any other information about what's going on over there?
EXTRA: I found this excellent post on Usenet, and append it here for your edification:
From: Anthony Edwards (anthony@catfish.nildram.co.uk)
Subject: Re: some one does not like THEREGISTER.CO.UK
Newsgroups: uk.net
Date: 2001-12-25 14:04:27 PST
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:09:06 +0000, in uk.net Rob Harvey <nospam@ukservers.net> wrote:
>
>What's also interesting is that the whois doesn't show a "Registered on" date
>which I believe means the name itself is pre-nominet and didn't have an expiry
>date.
>
The Register's first issue was Number 1, 25 July 1994 (Nominet began in 1996 I believe). In those days it was an email newsletter, the first issue can be viewed at:
http://194.159.40.109/reg1.txt
In fact, issues 1-37 can be viewed at the above site, simply by placing the relevant issue number in "reg*.txt".
However it appears that, at least up until 8 November 1996 (issue 37), the domain name theregister.co.uk was not in use. Indeed, the site was at http://www.hubcom.com/register/ , although it seems that John Lettice and Mike Magee also at that point owned the domain theregister.com (albeit they don't now).
One wonders what has happened to theregister.co.uk to cause the domain to become detagged. It is hard to believe that it is a simple financial matter, given the relatively small sums involved. I notice that the identity of the person who apparently requested the detagging (presumably via the Nominet Automaton) is an employee of uk.psi.com. Since all such detagging requests (from Nominet members to Nominet) have to be PGP signed, one imagines that request at least was genuine (but see below).
Up until around September 2001, The Register's hardware was co-located at one of Level 3's UK facilities. Following a variety of technical problems relating to Cisco load balancing equipment, the site was moved I believe, although I am unable to remember who the new hosting centre is. I have a sneaking suspicion that it *is* now PSI, in which case I imagine there will be much embarrassment all round.
On the other hand, there may be a little more to it. The Register have roundly slated the bulk email operation behind the recent Sainsbury's and Virgin Wines spam incidents, pointing out in no uncertain terms (and to Sainsbury's and Virgin Wines too, one imagines) that the email addresses used were definitely culled from Usenet.
However, consider this:
>Received: by jupiter (mbox topflite)
> (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Dec 16 13:34:37 2001)
>X-From_: root@peel.net Sun Dec 16 13:24:33 2001
>Return-Path: <root@peel.net>
>Received: from blaster1.peel.com ([216.52.138.23])
> by jupiter.nildram.co.uk (8.10.0-mysql/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fBGDOWC28607
> for <posthamster@catfish.nildram.co.uk>; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:24:32 GMT
>Delivered-To: <posthamster@catfish.nildram.co.uk>
>Received: by blaster1.peel.com (Postfix, from userid 0)
> id 6D65261DC; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:24:28 -0600 (CST)
>To: posthamster@catfish.nildram.co.uk
>From: "Virgin Wines" <virginwines1979@peel.net>
>Reply-To: notify@peel.net
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain
>Subject: Great Christmas wine at a bargain price
>Message-Id: <20011216122428.6D65261DC@blaster1.peel.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:24:28 -0600 (CST)
mail from: root@peel.net in the SMTP envelope, and a Reply-To address
of notify@peel.net. However:
Dig peel.net@NS1.PEEL.COM (216.52.138.3)
Authoritative Answer
Recursive queries supported by this server
Query for peel.net type=255 class=1
peel.net MX (Mail Exchanger) Priority: 10 returns.peel.net
peel.net A (Address) 216.52.138.9
peel.net NS (Nameserver) ns1.peel.com
peel.net NS (Nameserver) ns2.chi.pnap.net
peel.net SOA (Zone of Authority)
Primary NS: ns1.peel.com
Responsible person: root@peel.com
serial:2001092202
refresh:10800s (3 hours)
retry:3600s (60 minutes)
expire:604800s (7 days)
minimum-ttl:86400s (24 hours)
peel.net NS (Nameserver) ns1.peel.com
peel.net NS (Nameserver) ns2.chi.pnap.net
returns.peel.net A (Address) 216.52.138.24
ns1.peel.com A (Address) 216.52.138.3
ns2.chi.pnap.net A (Address) 216.52.129.33
One MX record, and when one tries to connect to it:
----begin telnet capture----
$ telnet returns.peel.net 25
Trying 216.52.138.24...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
----end telnet capture----
Other Usenet posters have reported a similar inability to connect to returns.peel.net (and the name of the MX itself is indicative of a rather interesting sense of humour):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9njtk0%24aa2
So, the owners and operators of peel.net have cunningly managed, it would appear, to not only convince two of the UK's largest and more respected companies to use their service for what Sainsbury's and Virgin Wines apparently genuinely believed was a true, genuine, opt-in email marketing operation, they have also managed (by technical means) to ensure that their own bandwidth will not be wasted by such trivial communications as "message undeliverable" bounce messages either.
One wonders if an alleged spam operation with such a fascinating mindset might attempt a little social engineering hack, against a news site which exposed their antics so comprehensively. On 24 December, I doubt whether many of PSINet's key UK staff were operating. A telephone call to support, followed by a fax request to "detag our domain as we won't be using it any more" might produce an interesting result, might it not? Especially since one imagines PSINet UK have a handy internal Web front end tool for support staff to use to register/modify/detag domains, and that support staff on 24 December might have had other things on their mind, and when one considers how easy faxes are to fake (which makes it hard to understand why so many UK ISPs insist on them for such requests, rather than an email originating from the customer concerned's netblock, or a PGP signed email from the admin contact of the domain concerned).
--
Anthony Edwards
anthony@catfish.nildram.co.uk
"First, from what book did you get Dec 25 for Christ's Birthday?? Quote me the scripture/verse if you got this from the Bible."
Of course it's not in there. It's well known that the date of Christmas was made roughly to coincide with the dates of pagan religious holidays which occurred in winter, like the Saturnalia. Modern neo-pagans celebrate the winter solstice, 21 or 22 December (I can never remember when exactly), and this possibly has some basis in ancient practice. Indeed, if the Four Gospels are taken as evidence, they do not support a winter date for the birth of Christ (q. v. Luke 2:8, which says that the shepherds were in the field tending their flocks, which isn't likely to have happened in winter.)
But that's really missing the point. Of course the date of Christmas is arbitrary, just as the dates of a number of our holidays are arbitrary (Thanksgiving and Memorial Day come to mind.) But Jesus was born at some time roundabout A.D. 1, and there happen to be people who think that the anniversary of his birth is an event worth celebrating. 25 December happens to be the date which tradition has set for that celebration, and that's what Christmas _used_ to be about.
"Secondarily, if Christ wanted us to celebrate his birthday, *why* isn't it mentioned at ALL in the New Testament?"
True, it isn't really. Someone else in this thread quotes some verses from chapter 2 of Luke, but I don't think they call for any sort of annual celebration of Christ's birth. Again, though, this is missing the point. Christian tradition comes from many other sources than the Bible. The lack of Biblical precedent hardly invalidates the tradition, I should think.
"If you can't even do proper exegesis, don't even bother posting."
Ooh, ten-cent word that, "exegesis". I think you're showing off.
Cheers,
hyacinthus.
I'm a volunteer firefighter and I ended up pulling a 12 hour shift christmas eve-christmas day. I figured : "Hey, I'm young, unattached why not?", and it wasn't that bad. I higly encourage anyone who has any interest in become a firefighter to look in to it. It's great fun, very rewarding, and a chance to help people. Personally, I think that this year's christmas eve was the best I've had in a while, It was very nice to completely avoid the commercialism that sometimes surounds christmas.
Merry Christmas! Be Safe!
*Not a Sermon, Just a Thought
*/
That's why I may have a halo at work, but sleep in the dog house. Oh, yeah, my wife is a programmer. You would figure she'd understand, right? Nah! Go figure.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
The conversation with my boss went something like this:
Boss: "We need you to come in on Tuesday -- we have to upgrade a customer system in Taiwan and we'll need you there if something goes wrong."
Me: "But I'm not customer service or support! I'm the Release Engineer! Besides, I haven't seen my family in a year! I'm flying out day after tomorrow!"
Boss: "Well, some of the developers are coming in."
Me: "Yeah? They're Chinese nationals on H1-B visas who are afraid you'll have them deported if they say no. Besides, I already cut short my Thanksgiving vacation for you!"
Boss: [waving hand] "You can can work on Christmas; you can always see your family later."
Me: "I can work on Christmas; I can always see my family later."
Pathetic, eh? The worst part is that this isn't even an emergency; my boss just decided that the 25th was as good a time as ever. So, I sat at work for 7 hours and they didn't even need me to be there. To cap it all off, my boss finished up the day by thanking us for coming in, telling us he'll "need us in all day tomorrow", and finished off with his morale-building "don't forget, the economy is bad and you won't find another job" speech.
I really, really miss the .com days where employers had to kiss your ass -- my girlfriend has been out of work for three months, and I'm fresh enough out of school that I'm not positive I could find another job right away (we'd be completely broke in two weeks with neither of us working). As soon as things recover a bit I'm out of this soulless excuse for a company.
And maybe I'll call Microsoft and tell 'em about the company's somewhat lax policy towards licensing all the software we include on our systems.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Mom and dad (separated) both decided to have "the kids" on the 26th....
Then it doesn't really matter anymore, I can just as well do some work-things...
Roger.
This is the first time I've cared about christmas in probably 10 years. Of course, I'm also deleriously tired from being up till the wee hours assembling stuff christmas eve and being awakened at 7am, and having to stay up tonight assembling all the stuff she got from her grandparents. Oh well, every pleasure has it's price...
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
I'll give you the "in America" part but the "most in the world" part is incredibly wrong. While Christianity is the dominant religion in the world, it is no where near half. Most in the world today were working and trying to earn enough to feed their families like any other day.
Devon
I work in a company that provides technical support. Hence, despite Christmas, we are working. The bad news is that most of our support engineers are here in India, and so it is only 24th in US when it is 25th here. So, most of these guys have to work on 25th (Indian time), and usually they don't have much of a choice.
And no, not everyone is India is a Hindu, there is a significant amount of Christian, Moslem and Jewish population here.
Yesterday I got up early, made omelettes, cooked a turkey dinner with all the trimmings, set out the good china, served up the food, played board games with the kids, visited relatives, etc., having spent the previous three days baking, shoppping, wrapping, scrubbing, entertaining, refereeing, etc. Today I'm back at "work" at the office, sitting in a comfortable chair in front of a computer screen all day with few distractions. Last Christmas I had plenty of time to spend with the family because I was in the middle of being downsized, so I was glad to have a job to go to this morning, although I could have used a little more sleep.
Merry Christmas to all.
enjoying what most in the world (especially in America) would consider "the Holidays"
WRONG.
Most people in the world do not consider this time of year as 'the Holidays'. A minority do.
Mathematically speaking there are 1.8 billion Christians in the world: less than 1/3 of the global population. There are 1.1 billion Muslims, 800 million Hindus, 350 million Buddhists, nearly 1 billion 'others' and 1 billion people without a religion. Within 25 years, Islam is projected to be the largest religion in the world.
Religion is much more central to the daily lives of most people in the world outside of the secularized West, where the holidays are primarily a commercial event. Don't forget that the word 'holiday" is derived from 'holy day'.
Before making broad, sweeping pronouncements such as the one you made above, make sure that you don't have basic facts wrong. Travel the world and see how other people live. It's one of the best ways I know of to learn and to think outside of our Western-centric box
"hristmas is the time of year where people of all religions get together to celebrate the birth of Santa Claus" -- Bart Simpson
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