Blender Releases Linux 3D Web Plugin

Qbertino writes: "Not a Number, producer of Blender, the Linux community's favorite professional 3D Package (get it for free) has released the beta of their 3D Web Plugin for Netscape 6.1 / Mozilla on Linux/Unix. It offers full integration of Blender's realtime 3D enviroment based applications into the browser's enviroment. Including OpenGL acceleration and all. Check out the Demos. Feedback on the beta-release is welcome and kindly requested on the Blender Community Discussion Board."

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[Anonymous Coward]

fp

Dan Koester is a raging homosexual

Re:fp

[Frank White]

I've noticed that the homepage of Hemos has been down for the last month. I wonder if it could be running some kind of unstable "open source" software....

Blender releases anal plugin...

[Trolligula]

On Monday night, I was having a conversation with a nurse and a social worker about homosexuality and the future. Self-described homophobes, they were essentially waiting for the hammer to fall on their way of life, and homosexuality was to blame. All they saw was the juggernaut of gayness bearing down on them, taking jobs, spoiling traditional ways of doing things. "We'll all just be sucking cocks" one said.

The strange thing was that I, as a self-confessed homophile, gimp, and believer in a future made better by open source homosexuality, was never percieved as a threat. Their perceptions of the grim future assumed a kind of inhuman steel edifice. A flesh-and-blood person sitting in front of them, animated with wonder for the future, just didn't fit the picture. In the end, they were just scared of what they didn't understand.

An hour of talking, and they went away knowing more. I think I did at least a little to alleviate their fears: I was someone from the other side who had come back to tell them it was all OK. With my dildo and anal beads and my Bag of Tricks, I carry more tech around than most. My memory is in my dildo, my sense of direction is in the anal beads, and my view of the future has always been wrapped up in faggotry. I'm a mental fag, unable to even think without support from a strata of semen in the ass. And I like to think I'm a nice guy too. In their eyes, that was all it took. Just by being interested in what each other said, we built a bridge of words.

I showed them around my worldview; that queers are a tool to be groped and used as hard as one can. I noted that modern artists use everything at their disposal, from camel-hair brushes to power saws to photoshop. And many would rather give up their brushes than the other two. "But homos are not accessible!" to which I replied that a modern gay prostitute costs far less than a car, and is still falling. Soon it will cost less than the average man whore.

The idea they most identified most with was that of the Open Source homosexuality movement! I described it as a Gay Culture, and outlined how the Linux community is taking on the words largest heterosexual managed company, and winning. Social workers are used to the idea of communities. They were fascinated by the idea that the people they'd been thinking of as "The Elite" were spending their nights and weekends sodomizing anal "virgins" and eating ass holes, hacking away at code and then giving it away, for the public good and because it's the right thing to do, and yes, for kudos and fame.

That last part is important to mention. People always wonder what the catch is when they hear about Open Source Homosexuality, the ingrained notion that there's no such thing as a free hand job. Altrusm is simply not a factor in many people's world view, and the suggestion that we're really doing for the fame agrees with their preconceptions. I'll hit this topic again later.

Once homosexuality was humanized, the conversation moved on to explore that theme. Linux users vs. heterosexuals. homosexuality vs. heterosexuality (what they called "normal", ha!). Anal sex vs. rim jobs. This is John Katz's ground: he knows it better than I, so I'll move on.

Bill Joy talks about 'dislocations' in the homosexual sense. If I understand the term right, dislocations are like having your testicles forced into an anus. They challenge all the existing notions and, if you're lucky, cause one of those pesky testicle shifts after which nothing is the same. Well, a lot of people don't like having their testicles shifted. Which is a problem, because it's happenning faster and faster.

There's a distinction to be made between different types of 'progress'. Homosexuality is progress in one sense; it's yet another manifestation of Moore's Law. But homosexuality will fit in to most people's worldviews just as easily as they take the place of the old fag in the bed. It's just gay, only gayer! Think about the gay prostitution system. Most of the truly revolutional changes in gay prostitution recently have been in the local loop services, yet no-one thinks anything about the amazing mass of cocks, anuses, fag switches, and STDs involved. But get an international whore - using obsolete condoms that have been in use for a decade or more - and that's what causes a disturbance in familiar thought patterns. "I've been fucking someone from the other side of the world!" they exclaim.

The truly amazing things that the Open Source Homosexuality community have been doing are not homosexual: they're social. Which is a shock to me too. I always thought I was just raping anuses! Turns out the rapings are like the sparkplug: amazing not only for itself, but also for the implications of it's existence. Linux is the proof that thousands of homosexuals from around the world can, in their spare time, challenge long-held and dominant power structures. It means that Altrusm really can accomplish great things, and that fags can be a tool for building communities rather than tearing them down. It means that interest is almost equivalent to action, that we're living in a world where anyone can grab the cock and spew new juices, just be being who they are. Wow.

It means that everything is changing again. Still.

f1rst p0st

[Anonymous Coward]

nigs

Does it support Internet Explorer?

[og_sh0x]

I know for most of us Internet Explorer support is rather unimportant... But it will make a difference in whether or not this plugin will gain wide support. The more Blender support you can get, the merrier.

Re:Does it support Internet Explorer?

[proxima]

The Blender plugin for Internet Explorer has been available for some time. Here is the link to the Blender 3D plugin download page.

LINUX the OS of Trolls & Perverts

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Wrong!

[Anonymous Coward]

the Linux communitys favorite professional 3D Package (get it for free)

Uhh... "professional" in the same sentence as "Linux" and "free".... isn't that an "oxymoron"?

Welcome to the real world and use Bryce.

Re:Wrong!

[realxmp]

>Uhh... "professional" in the same sentence "Linux" and "free".... isn't that "oxymoron"?

I know I'm probably just feeding a troll but anyway, here goes.
A bit OT but linux really is a professional OS, it's used by many companies to do their back office systems. It even outperforms MS's own implimentation of SMB and as for webservers...

>the Linux communitys favorite professional 3D package (get it for free)

Secondly blender is a spectacular program. I've been using it for quite a while and once you get used to the interface it relatively easy to draw whatever you need and use it how you need to. Those facts make it professional enough for me.

Re:Wrong!

[anti-snot]

"moron" in the same sentance as "Linux" and "free"? That isn't very professional...

VRML?

[Anonymous Coward]

When has 3d environments *ever* been something useful on the web?

Re:VRML?

[Dick Veiney]

Well, when The Fifth Element came out they had some pretty swooty games.

Re:VRML?

[.sig]

Well, in a few dozen years, we might have the technology to make it practical. Might as well get started now...

Seriously, though, how much of the web is practical anyway? A good bit of it is solely for entertainment or amusement, and better graphics is usually preferred, especially over text.

Re:VRML?

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously, though, how much of the web is practical anyway?

At least 40,000 sites, I'd assume.

Re:VRML?

[Dick Veiney]

You asshole moderators! When the movie "The 5th Element" was realeased, there was a counterpart website that had really great Shockwave Flash and VRML games!

Re:VRML?

[RazzleFrog]

The real problem right now is that we are using two dimensional tools. Our monitor, while it can give the illusion of 3d is still 2d. Our mouse is 2d, with the exception of using the scroll button in 3d games. Information itself is 2d (not talking about the collection/architecture of information but the information itself).

The other problem is that the web is not 2d or 3d. It is more like n dimensional. So to represent it in 3d versus 2d is really not solving any problem.

In the end, this is just another fluffy tool that can be used to make neat 3d online games.

Re:VRML?

[realxmp]

When has 3d environments *ever* been something useful on the web?

Well one example is the NASA ISS VRML page. If you've ever wanted to see what the station was like from all angles it can show you this. Sure it's not as good as games but it's the best you'll get with limited bandwidth. Does anybody have any better ideas or ways to send 3D models over the net?

Re:VRML?

[Anonymous Coward]

From the same site- a warning sign that your child is using pr0n:

"Your child spends an inordinate amount of time on the Internet or is online late into the night. "

Re:VRML?

[Narcocide]

yes, twice but this is the first time in a while anyone's tried it for linux, which does *not* necessarily mean that it won't work :)

frankly, i'm excited. i'm a big fan of blender.

Re:VRML?

[Anonymous Coward]

I liked:

Your child uses computer files that end in .gif or .jpg. These are picture files that may contain the latest Hubble telescope photos or pornographic material.

Not me! I use .png almost exclusively!

Re:VRML?

[bhsx]

accept that wildtangent is also spyware .

Re:VRML?

[Broccolist]

Information itself is 2d (not talking about the collection/architecture of information but the information itself).

What's that supposed to mean? AFAIK, any discrete information can be stored as a single (huge) integer. Your computer's RAM can be viewed as one long 128mb (or whatever) integer. There's nothing fundamentally special about 2 dimensions.

Re:VRML?

[RazzleFrog]

I actually was going to change that to 1 dimensional but I was afraid it would cause more of a stir than saying 2 dimensional. Information is 1 dimensional, the presentation of informational is 2 dimensional (on a written page or website) and the organization/architecture of information is n dimensional.

Cross-platform

[maggard]

What didn't get noted is that one can go to the same demos running Wintel and IE and get a working plugin automagically installed. This isn't just Linux/Mozilla but reasonably cross-platform. Next gotta check with MacOS & MacOS X.

Re:Cross-platform

[Anonymous Coward]

Anonymous Cowards filtered. If their words aren't worth so much as a nom de plume why should I value them any more?

Quite a few of the most interesting slashdot posts are made as Anonymous Cowards. Often, this is done due to potential legal/illegal/problematic nature of the posts. Yes, you can use an alias - but if you want to be really, really, secure you need to use an anynomous web proxy. And you cant login from them.

Oh sh*t. Jus realised you aint gonna be reading this anyhow.........

J. Random AC

Re:Cross-platform

[Anonymous Coward]

i made this website with it!

http://linuxmonkey.freeservers.com

Re:Cross-platform

[Anonymous Coward]

It is very important to use the anonymous proxy when posting sensitive information to slashdot. Despite assurances that Anonymous Coward posts are anonymous, slashcode stores your IP address for at least 2 weeks. If a subpeona shows up in those two weeks; game over.

Fortunately, most anonymous proxy administrators don't misrepresent themselves as blatently as /. does.

First frog!

[Anonymous Coward]

Ribbit, ribbit, ribbit...

Are there any sites using this?

[tshak]

This sounds great, but are there any "real world" sites using or planning on using this plugin? Or is it just another VRML experiment?

Re:Are there any sites using this?

[Anonymous Coward]

This guy has an awesome sig. If you haven't followed the link already, do so. Very very insightful.

Re:Are there any sites using this?

[Anonymous Coward]

of course not.
only cheap little high school kiddies are using it.

Re:Are there any sites using this?

[YottaMatt]

Its a bit more than a simplistic "3d content" plugin. It supports full-plown python scripting in its game engine, which basically allows one to embed 3d games and a better breed of 3d visualization apps in a web page. Plans to use it involve that "real world" sites are aware that something like this exists.

Re:Are there any sites using this?

[tshak]

Plans to use it involve that "real world" sites are aware that something like this exists.


They are, and they are using Wild Tangent. I don't know if that's a fair comparison, but it seems like WT already has a lot of momentum behind id.

More Plugins

[Anonymous Coward]

Is there a flash plugin for Linux yet?

Re:More Plugins

[bastard01]

Actually, yes there is, if you get a more recent distro from RedHat or Mandrake, at least in my experiences, it is included.Here is the download link for the player. I hope that this helps you.

Heaven forbid you actually *go* to the site

[Croaker]

Sheesh. Take 3 seconds, click a link, you find their explorer install page

Or you can just post to Slashdot.

Re:Heaven forbid you actually *go* to the site

[tommck]

I learned a long time ago not to click on any links in SlashDot until long after the article is posted :-)

T

Re:Heaven forbid you actually *go* to the site

[fajoli]

I learned a long time ago not to click on any links in SlashDot until long after the article is posted :-)

Which adds more proof to the theory that many slashdot contributors post comments on articles they haven't even read.

Re:Heaven forbid you actually *go* to the site

[realdpk]

I'm the same way.

/. needs to seriously consider mirroring sites before they link to them, or at least warning the people they're about to launch a DoS at ahead of time so they can be prepared with their own mirrors.

Blender releases Incubus plugin

[Anonymous Coward]

Grab the next motherfucker marmaduke who refuses to submit to these pelvic ostentations.

I've stumbled upon a brain fart which melts away your molds!

Who cares?

[IAgreeWithThisPost]

M$ will just steal the idea,integrate it into IE in a proprietary format, and the bulk of internet users will only use their capabilities.

mod me up, +1 MS Sucks

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security through obscurity = modding down anti-linux posts so maybe noone will see them

Why I use LINUX

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NFP... Not first post... but it's a wide one!!!

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Re:NFP... Not first post... but it's a wide one!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Nice one. Care to post source?

Re:NFP... Not first post... but it's a wide one!!!

[CmderTaco]

The source has been posted. Not in my journal, but if you email me, I will comply with your request in the spirit of open source.

3D Web Plugin for Wireless Access

[Anonymous Coward]

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Congrats

[Ralph JewHater Nader]

Excellent first post. It could have been improved by adding various negative adjectives to describe the niggers.

cool

[jaavaaguru]

This could be just what I'm looking for. My University honours project includes doing some 3D models in a web browser and at the moment I'm looking at SVG and javascript to fake the 3D. I'm now requiring something a bit more advance and this may be just what I'm looking for to avoid ActiveX :-)

Free as in Free Beer

[mycr0ft]

It's not completely free. You can't get the source.
Read http://freshmeat.net/projects/blender/

--mycr0ft

Re:Free as in Free Beer

[shaka999]

It may not be open source but it is free.

There is a big difference.

Re:Free as in Free Beer

[Fizzlewhiff]

Come on, that link is almost 4 years old. Go to the official site and download the latest version for free. It is not open source but lack of that does not make it non free. It is a good product. I have used the Linux and the Windows versions and it is capable of amazing things.

Alias|wavefront is supposed to be releasing a free (for non commercial use) version of Maya soon. I heard it will embed a watermark in your work. But still, having access and getting exposure to software that costs thousands of dollars is well worth it.

Unix only?

[Otis_INF]

Blender is a win32 package too, the gui is horrible, but ok, that seems common with 3D packages. What seems to be so odd is the Unix only releases of plugins for the web.

How many users do they think there are with Unix browsers? So how many people will produce 3D content for their format? If there isn't a market, there are not suppliers. It's a simple as that.

Re:Unix only?

[Anonymous Coward]

What seems to be so odd is the Unix only releases of plugins for the web.

That's funny. The IE plugin works on my Windows 2000 machine.

Re:Unix only?

[MrDog]

The win32 plugin was released 3 or so months ago.

Re:Unix only?

[talonyx]

I'm running the plugin just fine on Wintel right now. Do some reasearch before posting next time.

VRML?

[BoarderPhreak]

Haven't we tried this before?

Blender in general

[jmu1]

It is a very powerful 3D editor, from what I have seen, but I'll be damned if I can get it to do anything! lol I just hope that the plugin isn't as impossible to use as the editor. I'm glad to hear that they have Linux in mind though.

Re:Blender in general

[brondsem]

Take a look at the learning path. It helped me get a good grasp on the interface. I haven't used other editors, so I can't say it's better or worse than any.

Re:Blender in general

[symbolic]

It's quite powerful. It has some interface annoyances (despite what the Blender groupies say), but if you're willing to put up with it, you CAN produce some kick-a** stuff. Get out your wallet though, if you want the latest release of Blender Creator (the plugin, of course, is free).

Re:Blender in general

[Qbertino]

Blender in general still is free ('beer'). For everything classical 3D packages are actually used (stills, videos, sfx, etc.).
Only if you want to produce stand alone realtime 3D applications or web content without the blender logo displayed in a corner at the bottem do you have to buy a license.
Which is, on top of that, somewhat resonable in pricing (around 300$, single license) for such a package.

Notice that the other thing in this game is NeMo/Virtools for something like 5000$. And that's a windows-only gadget.

Oh, and btw, just for the book :-) , Blender's most outstanding feature is - believe it or not - it's user interface and workspace management. Unmatched speed, usability, versatility and customizability. No shit. The first two weeks I thought their GUI designers had smoked some really bad stuff (everybody does!) - then I caught on.
Once you've grasped what they were up to when they programed this, you'll NEVER ever touch any other 3D Modeller again. I actually consider Blenders interface on of the most remarkable feats in interface design in general.
I honestly thought cinema4d was king in this area. It actually is just another also-ran.

Re:Blender in general

[Anonymous Coward]

I second that!! I create 3d graphics professionally and have for quite a few years now, and of all the packages I have used (a lot) Blender is one of the easiest to use!

Re:Blender in general

[symbolic]

Only if you want to produce stand alone realtime 3D applications or web content without the blender logo displayed in a corner at the bottem do you have to buy a license.

OR if you want the most current release of Blender Creator OR Blender Publisher.

Which is, on top of that, somewhat resonable in pricing (around 300$, single license) for such a package.

Personally, I'd like to see my $300 buy more modeling-related tools, interface polish, and reliability, than the ability to create and distribute 3D web content. But, as long as users know that their $300 is for the purchase of a Publisher license (which may include functionality they simply don't need or want), the price is fine.

Bryce?

[Anonymous Coward]

LOL... Bryce a) sucks, and b) is not professional.

Linus Caught in Sexual Tryst with Oprah!

[Anonymous Coward]

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gd (apwnr($umpb* $nub) lc $nub) {
bgc "Qmppw...\l";
} cjqc {
npglr "mi\l";
}
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# npglr msr fgqrmpw dgjc mddqcrq
b`kmncl(%FGQR*'/sqp/jg`/lcuq/fgqrmpw'*.444);
ufgjc (($icw*$t_j) = c_af %FGQR) {
npglr $icw* ' = '* sln_ai('J'*$t_j)* "\l";
}
b`kajmqc(%FGQR);
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b`kmncl(%LQ_Fgqr* "$CLT{FMKC}/.lcrqa_nc/fgqrmpw.b`")
mp bgc "A_l'r mncl lcrqa_nc fgqrmpw dgjc: $!";

bcdglcb CVNP

bcdglcb

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gd (@_l__pp_w) { npglr "f_q _pp_w cjckclrq\l" }
gd (%__f_qf) { npglr "f_q f_qf kck`cpq\l" }
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Cv_knjcq:

npglr gd bcdglcb $qugraf{'B'};
npglr "$t_j\l" ufgjc bcdglcb($t_j = nmn(@_pw));
bgc "A_l'r pc_bjgli $qwk: $!"
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qs` dmm { bcdglcb &$`_p ? &$`_p(@_) : bgc "Lm `_p"; }
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Lmrc: K_lw dmjiq rclb rm mtcpsqc bcdglcb* _lb rfcl _pc qspnpgqcb rm bgqamtcp rf_r rfc lsk`cp . _lb "" (rfc xcpm-jclerf qrpgle) _pc* gl d_ar* bcdglcb t_jscq. Dmp cv_knjc* gd wms q_w

"_`" =~ /_(.*)`/;
Rfc n_rrcpl k_raf qsaaccbq* _lb $/ gq bcdglcb* bcqngrc rfc d_ar rf_r gr k_rafcb ``lmrfgle''. @sr gr bgbl'r pc_jjw k_raf lmrfgle--p_rfcp* gr k_rafcb qmkcrfgle rf_r f_nnclcb rm `c xcpm af_p_arcpq jmle. Rfgq gq _jj tcpw _`mtc-`m_pb _lb fmlcqr. Ufcl _ dslargml pcrsplq _l slbcdglcb t_jsc* gr'q _l _bkgqqgml rf_r gr amsjbl'r egtc wms _l fmlcqr _lqucp. Qm wms qfmsjb sqc bcdglcb mljw ufcl wms'pc oscqrgmlgle rfc glrcepgrw md uf_r wms'pc rpwgle rm bm. ?r mrfcp rgkcq* _ qgknjc amkn_pgqml rm . mp "" gq uf_r wms u_lr.

Qcc _jqm slbcd* cvgqrq* pcd.

bcjcrc CVNP

Egtcl _l cvnpcqqgml rf_r qncagdgcq _ f_qf cjckclr* _pp_w cjckclr* f_qf qjgac* mp _pp_w qjgac* bcjcrcq rfc qncagdgcb cjckclr(q) dpmk rfc f_qf mp _pp_w. Gl rfc a_qc md _l _pp_w* gd rfc _pp_w cjckclrq f_nncl rm `c _r rfc clb* rfc qgxc md rfc _pp_w ugjj qfpgli rm rfc fgefcqr cjckclr rf_r rcqrq rpsc dmp cvgqrq() (mp . gd lm qsaf cjckclr cvgqrq).
Pcrsplq c_af cjckclr qm bcjcrcb mp rfc slbcdglcb t_jsc gd rfcpc u_q lm qsaf cjckclr. Bcjcrgle dpmk $CLT{} kmbgdgcq rfc cltgpmlkclr. Bcjcrgle dpmk _ f_qf rgcb rm _ B@K dgjc bcjcrcq rfc clrpw dpmk rfc B@K dgjc. Bcjcrgle dpmk _ rgcb f_qf mp _pp_w k_w lmr lcacqq_pgjw pcrspl _lwrfgle.

Bcjcrgle _l _pp_w cjckclr cddcargtcjw pcrsplq rf_r nmqgrgml md rfc _pp_w rm grq glgrg_j* slglgrg_jgxcb qr_rc. Qs`qcosclrjw rcqrgle dmp rfc q_kc cjckclr ugrf cvgqrq() ugjj pcrspl d_jqc. Lmrc rf_r bcjcrgle _pp_w cjckclrq gl rfc kgbbjc md _l _pp_w ugjj lmr qfgdr rfc glbcv md rfc mlcq _drcp rfck bmul--sqc qnjgac() dmp rf_r. Qcc cvgqrq.

Rfc dmjjmugle (glcddgagclrjw) bcjcrcq _jj rfc t_jscq md %F?QF _lb @?PP?W:

dmpc_af $icw (icwq %F?QF) {
bcjcrc $F?QF{$icw};
}
dmpc_af $glbcv (. .. $#?PP?W) {
bcjcrc $?PP?W[$glbcv];
}
?lb qm bm rfcqc:

bcjcrc @F?QF{icwq %F?QF};
bcjcrc @?PP?W[. .. $#?PP?W];
@sr `mrf md rfcqc _pc qjmucp rf_l hsqr _qqgelgle rfc cknrw jgqr mp slbcdglgle %F?QF mp @?PP?W:

%F?QF = (); # amknjcrcjw cknrw %F?QF
slbcd %F?QF; # dmpecr %F?QF ctcp cvgqrcb
@?PP?W = (); # amknjcrcjw cknrw @?PP?W
slbcd @?PP?W; # dmpecr @?PP?W ctcp cvgqrcb
Lmrc rf_r rfc CVNP a_l `c _p`grp_pgjw amknjga_rcb _q jmle _q rfc dgl_j mncp_rgml gq _ f_qf cjckclr* _pp_w cjckclr* f_qf qjgac* mp _pp_w qjgac jmmisn:

bcjcrc $pcd->[$v][$w]{$icw};
bcjcrc @{$pcd->[$v][$w]}{$icw/* $icw0* @kmpcicwq};
bcjcrc $pcd->[$v][$w][$glbcv];
bcjcrc @{$pcd->[$v][$w]}[$glbcv/* $glbcv0* @kmpcglbgacq];

bgc JGQR

Msrqgbc _l ct_j* npglrq rfc t_jsc md JGQR rm QRBCPP _lb cvgrq ugrf rfc asppclr t_jsc md $! (cpplm). Gd $! gq .* cvgrq ugrf rfc t_jsc md ($? >> 6) (`_airgai `amkk_lb` qr_rsq). Gd ($? >> 6) gq .* cvgrq ugrf 033. Glqgbc _l ct_j()* rfc cppmp kcqq_ec gq qrsddcb glrm $@ _lb rfc ct_j gq rcpkgl_rcb ugrf rfc slbcdglcb t_jsc. Rfgq k_icq bgc rfc u_w rm p_gqc _l cvacnrgml.
Cosgt_jclr cv_knjcq:

bgc "A_l'r ab rm qnmmj: $!\l" sljcqq afbgp '/sqp/qnmmj/lcuq';
afbgp '/sqp/qnmmj/lcuq' mp bgc "A_l'r ab rm qnmmj: $!\l"
Gd rfc t_jsc md CVNP bmcq lmr clb gl _ lcujglc* rfc asppclr qapgnr jglc lsk`cp _lb glnsr jglc lsk`cp (gd _lw) _pc _jqm npglrcb* _lb _ lcujglc gq qsnnjgcb. Lmrc rf_r rfc ``glnsr jglc lsk`cp'' (_jqm ilmul _q ``afsli'') gq qs`hcar rm uf_rctcp lmrgml md ``jglc'' f_nnclq rm `c asppclrjw gl cddcar* _lb gq _jqm _t_gj_`jc _q rfc qncag_j t_pg_`jc $.. Qcc $/ gl rfc ncpjt_p k_ln_ec _lb $. gl rfc ncpjt_p k_ln_ec.

Fglr: qmkcrgkcq _nnclbgle "* qrmnncb" rm wmsp kcqq_ec ugjj a_sqc gr rm k_ic `crrcp qclqc ufcl rfc qrpgle "_r dmm jglc /01" gq _nnclbcb. Qsnnmqc wms _pc psllgle qapgnr ``a_l_qr_''.

bgc "/cra/e_kcq gq lm emmb";
bgc "/cra/e_kcq gq lm emmb* qrmnncb";
npmbsac* pcqncargtcjw

/cra/e_kcq gq lm emmb _r a_l_qr_ jglc /01.
/cra/e_kcq gq lm emmb* qrmnncb _r a_l_qr_ jglc /01.
Qcc _jqm cvgr()* u_pl()* _lb rfc A_pn kmbsjc.

Gd JGQR gq cknrw _lb $@ _jpc_bw amlr_glq _ t_jsc (rwnga_jjw dpmk _ npctgmsq ct_j) rf_r t_jsc gq pcsqcb _drcp _nnclbgle "\r...npmn_e_rcb". Rfgq gq sqcdsj dmp npmn_e_rgle cvacnrgmlq:

ct_j { ... };
bgc sljcqq $@ =~ /Cvncarcb cvacnrgml/;
Gd $@ gq cknrw rfcl rfc qrpgle "Bgcb" gq sqcb.

bgc() a_l _jqm `c a_jjcb ugrf _ pcdcpclac _peskclr. Gd rfgq f_nnclq rm `c rp_nncb ugrfgl _l ct_j()* $@ amlr_glq rfc pcdcpclac. Rfgq `cf_tgmp ncpkgrq _ kmpc cj_`mp_rc cvacnrgml f_lbjgle gknjckclr_rgml sqgle m`hcarq rf_r k_glr_gl _p`grp_pw qr_rc _`msr rfc l_rspc md rfc cvacnrgml. Qsaf _ qafckc gq qmkcrgkcq npcdcp_`jc rm k_rafgle n_prgasj_p qrpgle t_jscq md $@ sqgle pcesj_p cvnpcqqgmlq. Fcpc'q _l cv_knjc:

ct_j { ... ; bgc Qmkc::Kmbsjc::Cvacnrgml->lcu( DMM => "`_p" ) };
gd ($@) {
gd (pcd($@) && SLGTCPQ?J::gq_($@*"Qmkc::Kmbsjc::Cvacnrgml")) {
# f_lbjc Qmkc::Kmbsjc::Cvacnrgml
}
cjqc {
# f_lbjc _jj mrfcp nmqqg`jc cvacnrgmlq
}
}
@ca_sqc ncpj ugjj qrpglegdw sla_sefr cvacnrgml kcqq_ecq `cdmpc bgqnj_wgle rfck* wms k_w u_lr rm mtcpjm_b qrpglegdga_rgml mncp_rgmlq ml qsaf asqrmk cvacnrgml m`hcarq. Qcc rfc mtcpjm_b k_ln_ec dmp bcr_gjq _`msr rf_r.

Wms a_l _pp_lec dmp _ a_jj`_ai rm `c psl hsqr `cdmpc rfc bgc bmcq grq bccb* `w qcrrgle rfc $QGE{__BGC__} fmmi. Rfc _qqmag_rcb f_lbjcp ugjj `c a_jjcb ugrf rfc cppmp rcvr _lb a_l af_lec rfc cppmp kcqq_ec* gd gr qccq dgr* `w a_jjgle bgc _e_gl. Qcc $QGE{cvnp} gl rfc ncpjt_p k_ln_ec dmp bcr_gjq ml qcrrgle %QGE clrpgcq* _lb ct_j @JMAI dmp qmkc cv_knjcq. ?jrfmsef rfgq dc_rspc u_q kc_lr rm `c psl mljw pgefr `cdmpc wmsp npmep_k u_q rm cvgr* rfgq gq lmr asppclrjw rfc a_qc--rfc $QGE{__BGC__} fmmi gq asppclrjw a_jjcb ctcl glqgbc ct_j()cb `jmaiq/qrpgleq! Gd mlc u_lrq rfc fmmi rm bm lmrfgle gl qsaf qgrs_rgmlq* nsr

bgc @_ gd $^Q;
_q rfc dgpqr jglc md rfc f_lbjcp (qcc $^Q gl rfc ncpjt_p k_ln_ec). @ca_sqc rfgq npmkmrcq qrp_lec _argml _r _ bgqr_lac* rfgq amslrcpglrsgrgtc `cf_tgmp k_w `c dgvcb gl _ dsrspc pcjc_qc.

you sir

[Anonymous Coward]

are a flaming retard

have a good day :-)

Never see my posts again...

[CmderTaco]

Click here!!!

Oh there are win32 plugins. Never mind then (ntxt)

[Otis_INF]

no text

are you on crack?

[Anonymous Coward]

i agree with you totally on the linux/free/professional statement... but how can you use Bryce?!

what about 3D Studio Max.. or LightWave?

This comment MUST be insightful, its on Slashdot

[Anonymous Coward]

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Pvuqvu sfdpse gpsnbut bsf efdmbsfe bt gpmmpxt:

gpsnbu OBNF =
GPSNMJTU
.
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B dpnnfou- joejdbufe cz qvuujoh b '#' jo uif gjstu dpmvno.

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Bt bo bmufsobuf gpsn pg sjhiu kvtujgjdbujpo- zpv nbz bmtp vtf ``#'' dibsbdufst (xjui bo pqujpobm ``.'') up tqfdjgz b ovnfsjd gjfme. Uijt xbz zpv dbo mjof vq uif efdjnbm qpjout. Jg boz wbmvf tvqqmjfe gps uiftf gjfmet dpoubjot b ofxmjof- pomz uif ufyu vq up uif ofxmjof jt qsjoufe. Gjobmmz- uif tqfdjbm gjfme ``@*'' dbo cf vtfe gps qsjoujoh nvmuj-mjof- opousvodbufe wbmvft; ju tipvme bqqfbs cz jutfmg po b mjof.

Uif wbmvft bsf tqfdjgjfe po uif gpmmpxjoh mjof jo uif tbnf psefs bt uif qjduvsf gjfmet. Uif fyqsfttjpot qspwjejoh uif wbmvft tipvme cf tfqbsbufe cz dpnnbt. Uif fyqsfttjpot bsf bmm fwbmvbufe jo b mjtu dpoufyu cfgpsf uif mjof jt qspdfttfe- tp b tjohmf mjtu fyqsfttjpo dpvme qspevdf nvmujqmf mjtu fmfnfout. Uif fyqsfttjpot nbz cf tqsfbe pvu up npsf uibo pof mjof jg fodmptfe jo csbdft. Jg tp- uif pqfojoh csbdf nvtu cf uif gjstu uplfo po uif gjstu mjof. Jg bo fyqsfttjpo fwbmvbuft up b ovncfs xjui b efdjnbm qbsu- boe jg uif dpssftqpoejoh qjduvsf tqfdjgjft uibu uif efdjnbm qbsu tipvme bqqfbs jo uif pvuqvu (uibu jt- boz qjduvsf fydfqu nvmujqmf ``#'' dibsbdufst xjuipvu bo fncfeefe ``.'')- uif dibsbdufs vtfe gps uif efdjnbm qpjou jt bmxbzt efufsnjofe cz uif dvssfou MD_OVNFSJD mpdbmf. Uijt nfbot uibu- jg- gps fybnqmf- uif svo-ujnf fowjsponfou ibqqfot up tqfdjgz b Hfsnbo mpdbmf- ``-'' xjmm cf vtfe jotufbe pg uif efgbvmu ``.''. Tff uif qfsmmpdbmf nboqbhf boe XBSOJOHT gps npsf jogpsnbujpo.

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Alan Thicke DEAD.

[Alan_Thicke]

I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never watched his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon.
He will be missed :(

Show me That Smile (The Growing Pains Theme Song):

Show me that smile again.
Ooh show me that smile.
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end.
We're nowhere near.
The best is ready to begin.

As long as we got each other
We got the world
Sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.

Re:Alan Thicke DEAD.

[Anonymous Coward]

Fuck Alan Thicke. He was a fucking retard and deserved to die a long time ago.

Re:Heaven forbid you actually *get* to the site

[Afrosheen]

Unless you're lucky enough to say "first post!" forget about hitting their site. Slashdotting is evil.

I have to agree

[DG]

I've tried to get something useful out of Blender on a couple of occasions, but the interface is just too obtuse.

I've been able to figure out Sculpt 3D, Turbo Silver, Imagine, Lightwave, and VariCAD without too much drama, but Blender defeats me.

I really, really miss Lightwave. It had the perfect mix of power and ease-of-use.

DG

Re:I have to agree

[Anonymous Coward]

I love Lightwave.. so much so that I bought it both for the Amiga (5.0) and Windows (5.5, when I bought my PC..)

Unfortunately, someone stole my 5.5 CD some time ago, so I've not been able to use it (my HD borked - so I still have the content, but nothing to use it with..) ironically enough I still have the dongle.. I tried some 'warez' copies, but they all have the dongle code removed (the dongle is checked when saving object - if the file is small it's OK, but if the code is removed and the object is more complex, the object gets corrupted..)

In any case, Newtek won't produce a Linux version - and I hardly use Windows anymore, so I won't be sending them any more money at any rate..

Re:I have to agree

[nhavar]

That's wild, i've never used any of those products and I mastered Blender enough to build - this - after about three days of running through the tuts and messing around with it.

Re:I have to agree

[urrbanlleg-end]

> I've tried to get something useful out of Blender on a couple of occasions, but the interface is just too obtuse. Why do everybody complain about the UI ? Once you get used to it, you will find it so fast to use you will never want switch to anything else

Re:I have to agree

[RipSting]

I've been using a little bit longer than three days, but check out my ftp space to see some of the work that Blender has enabled me to create. I had never used a 3D package before Blender. Hourglass A female head It may take a little getting used to, but it's so efficient once you get used to it! Just try it out.

slashdoted web-site

[bigmammoth]

I look forward to the day, when the more people that visit a site the more bandwith is allocated to it. ie freenet(the furture freenet that actually acomplishes its current goals) so when slashdot links to a stroy, the web site will instantly have as much bandwith as the nodes that visit it.

Re:slashdoted web-site

[RazzleFrog]

The way I understand freenet is that when an object is requested it is cached along the way so that it will be faster to get on future requests. Since there is only a finite amount of cache space each subsequent request pushes one off the bottom. If an item is popular it will stay on the cache of many of the peers wheras an unpopular might disappear from all but the original.

As for allocating bandwidth, I am not sure how this would ever be done in a practical setting. I would to drive traffic to my site so that I can get more bandwidth but I think my ISP would start balking at some point.

Boramirs Hammer from LotR isn't loud enough.

[Anonymous Coward]

Listen next time you watch the movie, it's not good. The movie is great, but the horn was done poorly, like a bad volkswagon horn. Listen, it's shitty.

Secondly, don't you feel that Fox Trot is trying a tad *too* hard to get the geek votes? Jokes about apache and stuff are reserved for web comics and stuff - not try hard Jason Fox.

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If you take time to learn it, it's great!

[Anonymous Coward]

Blender has a very powerful toolset for both, 3D animation and realtime graphics, you can make games pretty fast with it and if you - instead of bitching about it - try and learn the GUI you'll be able to work really fast with it. On windows you can even make executable files out of your games and it's simply fun. If anyone is wanting to give 3D game design a try and doesn't want to code his own quake engine (=artists) Blender is _the_ tool for them. The bonus of being able to embed your stuff in a website is cool, but that's really only the tip of the iceberg of what Blender can do.

Blender Releases Linux 3D Web Penguin!!!

[Anomie-ous Cow-ard]

Oh, wait, it said "plugin"... damn. Gotta get these eyes fixed.

Re:Blender Releases Linux 3D Web Penguin!!!

[nhavar]

look around they have the penquin too.

Well, someone certainly thinks it is...

[Anonymous Coward]

(From freshmeat)

That was true early on, but as of version 1.8 the
entire program, with all functionality, is free (beer) for non commercial use. There is no longer any such thing as a C-key. Using blender 2.11 I have found every tuturial requiring the C-key to work fine. As someone who isn't familiar with other 3d programs I have found blender to be very intuitive to learn and cannot express how impressed I am with the software.

Per the license: "You are hereby granted
permission to copy and distribute the Software
without written agreement from NaN, only for
non-commercial purposes."

Other parts of the software, such as the blender
render daemon, are fully Open Source and Free
Software, released under the new BSD license.

I too was angry with NaN after I bought the old
manual, thinking I was supporting a free project only to have the c-key introduced. But in fairness NaN has seen the errors of their way and made amends, for which I was grateful enough to purchase the new manual for version 2.04 in the hopes of supporting their development efforts.

Simon.

Market

[peterdaly]

Seeing how the site is slashdotted, I might as well reply.

I see the market for this not being "VRML" like things, like someone said, but remote viewing of blender files (and other supported formats?) without having to have blender installed. The same reason many companies use PDF for "print" documents. You don't have to have the DTP tool used to create the document, you just have to have a common web based viewer (Acrobat.)

I know companies charge thousands for web plug-ins that let people view ProE models and the like without having ProE installed. Is this much different?

-Pete

Re:Market

[Fizzlewhiff]

Blender has the ability to act as a game engine. There are Blender 3D games that you can run inside Blender. This plug in allows you to play these games in your browser. I haven't seen the plug in used to view models (like Volo View lets you view AutoCAD drawings). I think the Blender plugin is intended to be more like Flash and allow people to create interesting interactive content. When the Blender site comes back :) check it out. It's pretty cool.

Blender is also based in Python so a user can write python scripts to export their Blender models into other formats, say Lightwave or Renderman for instance. For a free product its damned amazing.

Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 54

[Anonymous Coward]

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Re:Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 54

[anti-snot]

Now if only we could get Clive Barker to stop touching the corpse, then we'd have something.

Fuck off

[October_30th]

You should be shot.

You're making it impossible to read Slashdot at -1.

Re:Fuck off

[FrostedChaos]

Use lynx, the text browser. It doesn't support extra-wide pages.

Re:Fuck off

[Anonymous Coward]

You've gotta admit it though, he's taken crapflooding to a whole new level!

Blender's User Interface

[Anonymous Coward]

Hi, I have used Blender for a couple of years, and I have some comments on the user interface that would probably shed some light here.

The interface is not obvious at first, but it seems to follow a *nix like trend, in that it is:

1) Confusing, and difficult to pick up.
2) Way faster than the more widely known packages, once you get the hang of it.
3) High degree of customizability in workflow and layout of the screen.

It takes time to understand the interface (and the manual helps a lot), but it does boast a very direct feel in the workflow, there are few cumbersome elements in the interface.

-Adrian

Re:Blender's User Interface

[ninth harmonic]

I agree. Once you learn the keys, blender is very fast to get around in and is a joy to use.

Re:Blender's User Interface

[symbolic]

Sorry, I disagree. Blender is very capable, but not what I'd consider a "polished" app. The hotkey concept makes it more efficient, but there are plenty of little things missing that could make life a lot easier.

Don't forget the humble apostrophe!

[tomknight]

Okay guys, I think we've forgotten to use our friend the apostrophe a couple of times here:

1. Community's (instead of communitys)
2. Browser's (instead of browsers)

Simple enough, we're talking possessive, not plural. Just doing the job the Grammar Nazi's not awake to do right now.... ;-)

Tom.

Actually not for Linux quite yet

[Gaewyn L Knight]

When you go to the actual plugin download page it is currently only available for Wintel platforms.
The linux one is a high priority they say and they hope to have it available for all platforms that Blender supports.

Re:Actually not for Linux quite yet

[redcliffe]

Umm, how was it then that I actually downloaded it and tried it?

David

Re:Actually not for Linux quite yet

[Gaewyn L Knight]

heh... found it later... not on their main download page. The main one says that they were still waiting for the linux version. :)

Found it on the direct download link later...

Favorite package?

[tinrobot]

I believe both Maya and Softimage XSI are available for Linux. Much more feature rich than Blender, and I prefer them, as would any serious 3D artist. Still. for the price, Blender is pretty nifty. Perhaps you should say favorite free/cheap Linux 3D app...

Re:Favorite package?

[malducin]

Yes both Maya and Softimage XSI are on Linux. Houdini was actually first. There is also PRMan and the RAT tools, Rayz, Shake, rastrack, and few others here and there.

Yes I guess it depends on the perspective about favorite 3D package. Even Michael Tiemann of RedHat said once that long ago he wanted Maya running on Linux after experiencing it some time ago. But Blender is good for it's target audience/niche.

Re:Favorite package?

[Qbertino]

That Houdini was first on Linux is a common misbelief strewn about by the Houdini people (can't grasp that name of theirs...?...)

In fact, Blender was the first full range 3D Package for Linux. It's been around for quite a while now (+- 2 years). The plugin and their 'pay money for Logo-free Blender creator' is what's fairly new.

Re:Favorite package?

[malducin]

I was talking about commercial 3D packages, as that was the reference on the parent post. yes Blender has been a while, but as far as regular commercial 3D apps Houdini was first, maybe I should have made it clear. I thought Blender was longer than that. I remember seeing Houdini on Linux at SIGGRAPH 2000 (maybe the HP booth?) so Houdini has been ther for a while.

From the little search I did, Houdini for Linux was announced on March of 99, and shown at SIGGRAPH 99 at the E&S booth (beta version I believe). Houdini 4 which became available for Linux was apparently released in January 2000:

Houdini To Support Linux
Side Effects Shows Houdini for Linux
Side Effects Ships Houdini 4.0

Nothing against Blender, sued it myself a little, but basicly they were giving it away. As far as a more established commercial entitity (along with the focus to use it for games) is a little more recent happening. We are just comparing different things ;-).

Mirror sites?

[firecode]

Site's seems to be slashdotted already. Does anyone know any mirrors?

mozilla plugins

[Stultsinator]

Am I the only one who has trouble getting plugins to work under Linux/Mozilla? After months of trying things out I finally have the Java plugin working, but every other one I try (including this new Blender plugin I just downloaded) crashes Mozilla.

That's the main reason I don't use more plugins.

naysayers - this is not VRML

[nhavar]

This plugin does not handle things in the same way that people think of VRML. Although Blender can work to create and read VRML the product and the plugin do much much more. 1) Blender is cross platform Win/Mac/*nix 2)You can create 3d objects to almost any level of realism that you want to (see the gallery on their site) 3) You can animate within the same package 4) You can create interactive content (i.e. games) in the same package. 5) the plugin/module architecture to create special effects is python driven. The web plugin allows for you to view a 3d object like maybe a product representation and then show it to your potential customer, or 3d games to run over the web, or interactive navigation for the website. There are tons of examples of what the plugin and application can do if one takes a little time to look through the web site. They even have an example of how to use the plugin to create interactive banner ads.

The tool is different from just about everything out there and once you get used to the method of interaction is seems very easy to get things done. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there that bitch about the Linux interfaces and how hard they are to use, while many more people find them quick and efficient... give blender a try and see if it falls into this same scenario.

Stop griping about how it works/doesn't work or comparing it to other products like VRML until you've at least taken a look at what it can do. The user galleries and demos on the site are excellent examples of what can be done by an artist.

Re:naysayers - this is not VRML

[Charles Dexter Ward]

Blender has one of the most un-intuitive interfaces i have ever seen. I use maya, lightwave and a lot of other p3d products and have tried at least 3 or 4 times toto tackle blender with no result. Is frustrating when you try to use a program and they change the standars "just for fun". Also, when you use this kind of software you dont want to spend much time trying to decypher the workflow of the tools.

Re:naysayers - this is not VRML

[bfields]

The web plugin allows ... interactive navigation for the website.... They even have an example of how to use the plugin to create interactive banner ads.

The horror! The horror!

On this subject, another great example of a fine piece of technology completely misapplied: the page http://www.co.washtenaw.mi.us/DEPTS/ROAD/RDCindex. htm contains a single java applet, whose *only* purpose is to allow you to click on it so you can proceed to the "real" homepage that you came to find. Thus this applet (and, in fact, the whole page) serves no useful purpose other than to keep non-java users out of the website. Why? Why?....

--Bruce Fields

Re:naysayers - this is not VRML

[nhavar]

I understand your point. But think of it as being useful to some game designer who decides to market the game and let people try peices on the web to really see what it looks like without needing to download 75 megs worth of demo just to get a general feel for the game. Any tech can be missused by the under educated.

Re:naysayers - this is not VRML

[nhavar]

It appears to me that the problem is with people getting set in their ways. Almost every single person that I've heard chime in about the interface being difficult has been a person who has used multiple tools in the past. These people typically get used to "their" interface and don't like to step out of that "standard". Meanwhile all of the newbies and people just getting into digital art that don't have 500-5,000 to spend on a tool step in and learn Blender in a couple of days and seem to do very well with it's un-intuitive interface. I think it's easier to ditch the product when you already own one or more products that in essence do the same thing. When you don't have those products then you are really forced to take some time to learn how things work and to understand why they work that way.

Where's the FreeBSD support?

[Anonymous Coward]

I run FreeBSD on a large cluster of graphics
intensive machines. I'd love to have Blender
for FreeBSD.

Re:Blender in general (Undo)

[MisterBlister]

Blender's UI is...rather unfortunate.

However, what really kills it for me is the extremely limited ability to Undo actions. In this day and age, we've all been pampered by essentially unlimited undo in all useful applications; including most (admittedly, much more costly) 3D modelling packages...Even after learning the Blender UI, I couldn't deal with the lack of proper Undo and eventually abandoned it. I may take another look if they fix this issue.

But the question is....

[coolcast]

Here we go again. Let's release some real cool app, run only on netscape and preferably on linux.
Willy Webmaster notices it, and wants to use it. He creates a real cool 3d web app and puts in front page on corporate web site. One week later, willy is sacked by management because 85% of the visitors were completely unable to view the site.
So, the question is, will there be a COM wrapper to put it in IE??????? Or is it, as I suspect, not worth downloading?

"Nice ap. yeah, reeeeeaaaaalll nice. Next!"

Re:But the question is....

[nhavar]

read up. The IE plugin was released months ago, they are playing catch up in releasing the Linux plugin.

Re:But the question is....

[swingerman]

Here we go again. We see something announced for Linux/FreeBSD and assume that that is all it is for. We don't do our research.

If you had done simple research and visited the blender site you would have found that the blender creator software exists for Windoze and the Mac and that the plugin already exists for Windows. By following this URL:

http://www.blender3d.com/BlenderProducts/plugin_do wnload_general.php

You will be able to download the windows plugin for Netscape AND IE.

Research is such a wonderful thing to help prevent you from putting your foot in your mouth.

this is what the web is for...

[Narcocide]

when they tried it with vrml it was poorly thought out, poorly executed, and way ahead of the hardware technology currently available.

now with 3d accelerated graphics cards far more commonplace in the desktop world, there actually is a serious chance this type of thing could be the next face of the "web".

don't you think that in it's early stages the current iteration of the web must have seemed useless? imagine... the year is 1994...

"plain text served over modem connections? why would anyone want to bother when you could just
mail them a printed flyer"

.... and now the web is a mainstay of corporate advertising. virtual 3d environments for it are simply the next step in a logical progression.

Re:this is what the web is for...

[dotblend]

behold for the future

soon there will be more and more 3d on the net,
educational, promotional, and just for fun

online gaming, online sales, online product
presentations, you name it
at our company we use blender for all our 3d!
animations and a few games we are working on now!

blender is the fastest modeller available!
blender renders faster than any other highend 3d
application!

blender, once you get addicted...
you will never let go

peter (dotblend)
http://www.alatis.com

Mozilla-XUL+Blender+OpenGL

[Anonymous Coward]

if I change all my XUL interface images in my mozilla browser interface into blender 3d images, do I get hardware accelerated 3D buttons and menus?

and if I did, would it be worth it?

But the question isn't valid

[Anonymous Coward]

It kind of already runs on IE/windows and OS-X and is now just geting to supporting the linux / freeBSD type deal

read this offtopic post

[kilgore_47]

For God's sake, do not kill us! We surrender!

quoting from rw: Before dawn in Afghanistan last Thursday, US Green Berets launched a surprise attack on their unarmed allies, storming a disarmament depot with indiscriminate fire, then rounding up survivors only to tie their hands behind their backs with plastic bands and execute them. This according to that America-hating, propaganda-strewn leftist rag, The New York Times. God bless America.

(yes, I'm very much abusing my 50 karma account and spamming this message all over the place with a +1 bonus. People need to read it, ok? Read the fucking nytimes link. Thanks for your time.)

Does Python + Plugin = Exploit?

[Anonymous Coward]

It supports full-plown python scripting in its game engine, which basically allows one to embed 3d games and a better breed of 3d visualization apps in a web page.

Does this mean that we'll see Blender exploits in Python, which take advantage of vulnerabilities in its game engine? Or do Python and/or Netscape plugins have a secure "sandbox" like Java applets? Not knowing much about Python or Netscape plugins, I would assume the answers are...

• Python security = unlikely
• Netscape plugin security = no

...but I don't really know. Could someone with more knowledge on the subject weigh in? Just curious...

Re:Does Python + Plugin = Exploit?

[nhavar]

My understanding is that the blender plug-in is sandboxed by design. You could probably find out more from the site, but I'm relatively certain that it's sandboxed because some people had wanted to use it for active desktop interface but couldn't do much with it because of the sandboxing.

Consider the source

[Anonymous Coward]

Craig Smith seems to have a penchant for finding stories that are highly controversial and one-sidedly biased against American culture. Funny how that works.

Re:Consider the source

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, how dare he write anything other than "Hooray for America!" We'd better get rid of that darned First Ammendment before it leads to any more trouble...

Re:Consider the source

[Anonymous Coward]

He can write anything he wants. It's simply a good thing to understand from the outset that the writer is a left-leaning propagandist.

No one is trying to shut him up. Just trying to shout him down.

Already ahead of VRML

[The Cat]

The biggest problem with VRML is there was never a full-featured authoring application (which offered access to the whole feature set) combined with a full-featured viewer (which offered access to the whole feature set).

Blender already has both, so it should prove interesting. Now if I could export some models to a ray-tracer... :)

Re:Already ahead of VRML

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, none of those statements are true.
But it would be correct to say "The biggest problem with VRML is there was never a full-featured cross platform viewer."

Re:Already ahead of VRML

[7String]

Actually, there is a rudimentary python script available for Blender that exports .RIB files that are then renderable by BMRT (Blue Moon Rendering Tools), a RenderMan compliant ray-tracing renderer.

Check out this one

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.equinox3d.com/

For comparison

[stew77]

Web3D seems to be a potential big market, at least Macroemdia, Adobe, Intel, Curious Labs and some former MetaCreations guys named Viewpoint seem to think so:

Adobe Atmosphere

Macromedia Shockwave3D, in cooperation with Intel

Curious Labs Avatar Lab

Viewpoint VET

This goes way beyond VRML, and there are some big clients using those technologies. E.g. AOL is using Viewpoint.

why is Blender not open source?

[xerofud]

Does anyone have any insight into why Blender is not open-source? I'm wary about investing time in learning a 3D-modeling environment that is free today, but could easily cost more money than I can afford tomorrow. Does anyone know if NaN plans to truly open-source Blender at some point in the future? Also can anyone compare Blender to open-source programs like Panorama and K3D?

Re:why is Blender not open source?

[MrResistor]

Some of it is.

I think this page gives some good insight into their business model. Basically, Publisher (not free) pays for developement, and thus gets all the new features first. Once development is paid for the features get rolled into Creator (free). I think this sort of model is an excellent way to run a project like this, as long as no one gets greedy. The developers are paid, and therefore more motivated to do the "less sexy" jobs, and all the hardware and software necessary to develope a truely cross-platform package are acquired without relying on donations.

Re:why is Blender not open source?

[symbolic]

Why should NaN be willing to accept anything LESS profit than it can actually make? I think NaN should be able to profit as much as they can - obscenely, even - PROVIDED they produce a product that people want, and price at a point they're willing to pay. There has been a great deal of discussion in the chat forums on NaN's server regarding this topic.

here's the source...

[Anonymous Coward]

Grab the next motherfucker marmaduke who refuses to submit to these pelvic ostentations.

I've stumbled upon a brain fart which melts away your molds!

Woohoo!

[Anonymous Coward]

Finally! I think this is great news for Blender, because it extends Blender's use for Mozilla/Netscape users!

Yet Another Proprietary 3D Format

[Animats]

The Blender player is free. Blender as a 3D package rendering videos is free. But the part of Blender that outputs to the player is not free.

And the player file format is proprietary.

There are other 3D players. Shockwave 3D, for example. VRML, despite lack of interest, actually works quite well now, if you have a 3D accelerator board and DSL or better. There's X3D, which is just VRML text expressed as XML, but nobody uses that.

X3D would be a useful format if it was used, because it's one of the very few non-proprietary, documented 3D scene formats out there. Consider it if you're doing open-source 3D tools.

I'd like to see X3D import and export for Blender. VRML 2 export has been done as a Python script, so it's possible. Blender itself only does VRML 1.

Re:Yet Another Proprietary 3D Format

[Anonymous Coward]

Thanks for the summary. If there were a good free software VRML 2 or X3D plugin for Linux, supporting the full feature set (including EAI, JavaScript and Java nodes), things might be different for 3D content on the web.

Re:Yet Another Proprietary 3D Format

[Anonymous Coward]

Um unless you are hiding linux users it wouldn't change a damn thing. I'd believe 2 ducks walked into a bar before 2 linux users walked into a bar.

Re:Yet Another Proprietary 3D Format

[strubi]

Let me quickly give an update on that :-) Version 2.23 of Blender supports VRML2 import even in the free version (the Creator).

X3D is still future music...first, we'll probably implement VRML97 extensions for all non VRML-standard datatypes.

cheers,

- strubi // (strubi@blender.nl)

Re:Yet Another Proprietary 3D Format

[Animats]

How about VRML 2 export?

Re:Help

[Anonymous Coward]

I am a Linux only user. I tried your link but could not view the pictures because I apparently have no VRML browser. Anything available for Linux?

Blender future: !Open-Source && !Free-as-i

[Anonymous Coward]

I doubt about the Open Source part, specially because they aren't 100% Free as in Beer anymore. If you want to get the latest updates and features, like locking files to avoid others editing yours, you've to put $300 or more in their pockets. and they are targeting more the game and plugin part than the animation part.

Just browse thier site (if it works now) and check the shop (Publisher product) or the forums (some unhappy members).

Free BEER!!!!

[Ogerman]

Ok, so where's the source so that this won't be just another proprietary standard that nobody uses?

Maybe a little too late?

[FyRE666]

This plugin might have had legs a year or so ago, when any new internet technology could garner support for no other reason than it was a new internet technology. Now that Macromedia's shockwave has a pretty impressive 3D engine, with hardware acceleration, the Blender plugin might not see that much attention. Flash has the 2D animation market pretty much sewn up, and I'm expecting SW to do the same for 3D...

Re:Maybe a little too late?

[harper4]

maya now has something called 'real time author' that lets you model all your 3d objects, then script behaviour and animations with the same object oriented interface (hypergraph) that you do everything else in.

you can export all your models along with the behaviours in lingo (director's scripting lang) and tweak to your heart's content. It's all on alias' website.

pretty cool considering the install base of maya on the creation side and shockwave on the user side.

but don't forget the cardinal rule of the shockwave plugin: you never have the right version. ever.

plugins = trouble

[me0]

I just tried the blender plugin and it managed to freeze my computer. A "close blue screen experience" that just tought me all over again => plugins are bad for you! (and me)

Re: Cross-platform Plug-In

[resistant]

What didn't get noted is that one can go to the same demos running Wintel and IE and get a working plugin automagically installed. This isn't just Linux/Mozilla but reasonably cross-platform.

This auto-installing MSIE plug-in did work on my box with the slightly jacked-up AMD K6-2/366MHz CPU (overclocked to 400MHz), 256M SDRAM and generic Trident 4M AGP video card, but it was agonizingly slow. They're not kidding about needing at least a 450MHz CPU (something) and a modern TNT AGP video card. I'd suggest an Athlon 800MHz CPU for bearable performance.

Konqueror?

[redcliffe]

Just tried it, but can't get it to go at all in Konqueror. In Mozilla I can't figure out how to load it, and netscape crashes my X server when I run the radiosity demo. Anyone else having problems? Thanks,

David

Re:Help

[realxmp]

I am a Linux only user. I tried your link but could not view the pictures because I apparently have no VRML browser. Anything available for Linux?

Depends on what browser you use. The netscape website has this collection of pretty stable plugins that will work with Netscape Navigator and Mozilla. For any other browsers that don't support netscape plugins try looking round the plugin sections of their websites. Someone will probably have made one for them.

Draconian licensing

[Jamie Lokier]

Absolutely no way I'm installing any software on my computers that comes with the conditions below:

2.2. Server Use. With respect to the Blender Stand Alone Player and Blender 3D Plug-in only, and subject to the terms of this Agreement, you may install one copy of such Software on a computer file server within your internal network for the sole and exclusive purpose of using such Software (from an unlimited number of client computers on your internal network) via (a) the Network File System (NFS) or (b) Windows Terminal Services. Unless otherwise expressly permitted hereunder, no other server or network use of the Software is permitted, including but not limited to using the Software (i) either directly or through commands, data or instructions from or to another computer or (ii) for internal network, internet or web hosting services.

2.3 No Modification. You may not alter or modify the Software or create a new installer for the Software. The Software is licensed and distributed by NaN for viewing, distributing and sharing .blend files. You are not authorized to integrate or use the Software with any other software.

3. Intellectual Property Rights. The Software and any copies that you are authorized by NaN to make are the intellectual property of and are owned by NaN and its suppliers. The structure, organization and code of the Software are the valuable trade secrets and confidential information of NaN and its suppliers. The Software is protected by copyright, including without limitation by Dutch Law, international treaty provisions and applicable laws in the country in which it is being used. You may not copy the Software, except as set forth in Section 2 ("Software License"). Any copies that you are permitted to make pursuant to this Agreement must contain the same copyright and other proprietary notices that appear on or in the Software. Unless specifically and expressly permitted by NaN, you agree not to modify, adapt or translate the Software. You also agree not to reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to discover the source code of the Software. Except as expressly stated herein, this Agreement does not grant you any intellectual property rights in the Software and all rights not expressly granted herein are reserved by NaN.

Re:Draconian licensing

[Anonymous Coward]

What exactly do you object to in the license?

Re:Draconian licensing

[Anonymous Coward]

well, then don't use it, there are other products. simple as that.

.b

Re:Draconian licensing

[symbolic]

As software companies begin to take more and more advantage of their "licensing" provisions, it seem to me that anyone considering such a license should think very carefully before using the software. What if, for example, a contractor could change the conditions under which you use the house that he built? Or recind your use of it altogether?

With the cost of establishing an e-commerce grade presence on the web being rather significant, there's no WAY I'd consider using software produced by a company with an overly restrictive licensing policy. This "we expect you to use our product but we reserve the right to do whatever we want" mentality has to go.

Stephen King is not dead

[lowell]

I saw this a couple of months ago here on slashdot. As far as I can tell he is not dead.

Plug-in crashes Netscape

[Vadim Makarov]

The plug-in crashes my Netscape soon after it begins to download a demo.

The only demo I got to work beyound the pink rabbit screen was "Clown", and it is terribly slow (less than one frame/update per second). Then it crashed on exit from the demo page.

I run Netscape 4.7 for WinNT 4.0 on 300MHz P3 PC with 1GB RAM.

Don't forget to turn the Smart Update back OFF...

it's not about 3D models, it's about games

[Arleo]

The plugin isn't released to enable to view Blender 3D models. The plugin is released to enable games in web browsers. VRML has never been intended as a development platform for games.

It's the next step in the strategy of Not a Number to develop Blender as game development platform. I think it has never been discussed an Slashot before but since a while game creation is an integral part of Blender. The "realtime" part of Blender gives the opportunity to add sensors, controllers and actuators to every object in a Blender scene. This way user toobject as well as object to object interaction is possible without the need to do any programming. Even for Blender haters, the realtime part is very simple, and in my opinion very intuitive.
More on gameblender can be found in the onlione gameblender manual [blender.nl]. Gameblender demo files can be found at the blender community website. The skategirl demo for example is very impressive, at least if you have 3D accelerator card (GF2).

Now that game creation is possible the next step is the ability to publish the games. Games can always be published as a blender native file. This requires that the person who wants to play the game, has to install Blender and play the game within the Blender program. He can play the game and he can even modify the game.
The Blender player and Blender plugin are ment for game developers who want to publish their games to people who aren't interested in the Blender program but only in the game. The player makes it possible to publish on CD-ROM, the plugin to publish on the web.

blender professional?

[dotblend]

behold for the future

soon there will be more and more 3d on the net,
educational, promotional, and just for fun

online gaming, online sales, online product
presentations, you name it!
at our company we use blender for all our 3d!
animations and a few games we are working on now!

blender is the fastest modeller available!
blender renders faster than any other highend 3d
application!

blender, once you get addicted...
you will never let go!

peter (dotblend)
http://www.alatis.com

B. != just one of ye olde prorietary 3D formats

[Qbertino]

Sorry to rain on this, but Shockwave 3D is really no match for the Blender solution. First of all its limited to Windows and MacOS. And then it's basically a cut-down version of the more than 2 year old NeMo/Virtools (www.virtools.com) App'n'Web 3D package (which in itself is actually quite remarkable - despite the 5000$ a basic package costs).
Intel and Macromedia 'joined' for Webbased 3D about a year ago to 'develop' a 'new technology' for this. What they actually did was just buy a propretary format - the only one that wasn't yet 'infected' by an 'open source'/'sdk for free' (as in genesis3d/wildtangent) or 'give away for free' (as in Blender) marketing policy.

This could have turned out to be a major competitor to Blender on the Windoze platform if it weren't for Macromedia integrating the developement enviroment into one of the crappiest pieces of software under the sun - Director.
Figure this: Shockwave 3D programming is done in Lingo! *gasp* Intercal aside, it's the most hilarious excuse of a PL. With a set of 300 new commands for 3D. This is actually true.

NaN did it the right way by including Python as PL into Blender. Which also makes it a somewhat more complete solution than VRML.

Another plugin?

[r6144]

I dislike browser plugins for the following reasons:
1. They make the already-memory-hog browser even more bloated.
2. They account for 2/3 of crashes/lockups of the browser. Sometimes I'm visiting a really interesting and hard-to-find site (from result 73 of a google search) in another window, and cannot find the thing again after killing and restarting.
3. Many of them are CPU hogs --- I don't want to waste my Valuable cpu time when I'm not looking at the browser window.
4. Really interesting things that have to be viewed with a plug-in is generally Big, and not saving them would be a bad waste of bandwidth. If I save them, in most cases I can watch them in a stand-alone application, which is cleaner.
5. Compatibility is a Big issue.

Therefore, I think I won't like this plugin, although Blender itself is still quite good.

Re: Cross-platform Plug-In

[Corrosion]

Actually a better video card is more important than a better processor. It uses OpenGL so your card better have at least 16MB and be OpenGL compatible.

First let's clarify one thing.

[Corrosion]

This is not VRML. Few sites use it for anything professional at this stage, because the plugin is only a few months old. It's still being tested for Linux/Netscape. It will do much if you actually give it a try instead of bashing it the second it comes out.

Yeah that came out after the Blender plugin though

[Corrosion]

So who really cares. Maya's solution uses Shockwave and is slower on my new system than Blender is on older systems.

Re:Blender in general (Undo)

[Anonymous Coward]

After using Blender for a short period of time I found that I hardly miss undo at all. The solution, save often and "Blend" with confidence!

Have you ever used Lightwave?

[DG]

The program I really cut my 3D teeth on was a program called Imagine. Imagine was Blender-like, in so far that it had an interface and a bunch of concepts that you really had to know before you could make good use of it; stuff that wasn't immediately obvious.

I did up a fully-detailed, to-scale Klingon D7 battlecruiser using it that was indistinguisable from the "real thing". It took about 3 months of after-work work. (Why is it that newbie 3D modelers always do Star Trek models? :)

Then, on the advice of a friend of mine, I got ahold of Lightwave.

In some ways it was more primitive than Imagine. No procedural textures to speak of, and no free-form bitmap textures (so "decals" were a serious PITA) But Oh-My-Lord it was SO SIMPLE to both make models and stage scenes.

Lightwave uses film paradigms for a lot of its user interface. It stops being a "3D tool" and starts being something more like an interactive film studio. With Imagine, 3D work was like being a cross between a computer programmer and an engineer. With Lightwave, it was more like being a film director.

Both my throughput and my quality went way, WAY up when I switched to Lightwave.

Imagine was capable of generating prettier stills (the renderer was more powerful) but Lightwave made better MOVIES - because the interface was more conducive to the real task at hand.

I don't doubt that people can do good work with Blender, and that with time, one can become proficiant in its use. But with Lightwave, that proficiancy step wasn't needed. The interface was transparent.

I guess you really have to try it and see for yourself.

DG

free???

[Anonymous Coward]

did NAN mention that they are no longer updating their software for free and the community that helped them thrive will not see any long awaited features???

*bows head down*
what a let down

Licensing

[Qbertino]

What's the big fuss? This constant /. bitching about licensing. It isn't that NaN get's to own your family when you've installed that plugin. Or that NaN ownz 95% of y'alls PC people out there like Mickeysoft does.

Blender has been for free (beer) since the begining and most certainly allways will be. Because that's the only way they can compete with Maya, Softimage and Houdini. It's the only usable 3D Package that costs nada. Or doesn't cost above 10000$, for that matter. Aside of that NaN owns the software. Period. In any commercial or non-commercial sense.
And so you're not installing a commercial plugin just like Flash. Ok. But calling that license "Draconian" is a bit over the top, imho.
Unless you've contributed Software to the public like Ton Roosendahl (Blender) did, I'd chill out on that issue a little.
On the other hand, if you should only be using GPL'd Software for the sake of it being GPL'd, I wouldn't care to much anyway. You're probably not the 'audience' for this software in the first place. :-)