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Stallman Clarifies Position RE:Gnome & .Net
RMS ? has sent The Register an email in which he corrects their 'inaccurate' representation of his stance on the GNOME & .NET issue. He states, "I am pretty sure something was garbled in the quotation which has me asking Miguel to 'explain himself to us', because those words would be
explicitly confrontational, and I did not have any wish to do that."
Wasn't he on Dexter's Lab? Wow, what a cameo.
RMS "explicitly confrontational?" Surely you jest!
;-)
- but - shouldnt that quote have been italicized?
The ultimate network admin tool needs HELP!
I did not have any wish to do that
peacenik hippy
How come the open sauce people always want fights amoung MS and their opponents, yet wuss out when it comes to handling their own internal problems?
Can it be true? Slashdot has retracted an incorrect article? Hopefully this won't set precident, or we'd be flooded with atricles such as Morpheus actually security-hole free, perpetual motion machine faked, cold fusion not real, and Linux not really all that great! But that will never happen. Slashdot picks and chooses its retractions....
~Mike
A big enough hammer fixes *anything*
What's next? A loss of that sexy beard?
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Inventor of the term 'pardon my French'.
those words would be explicitly confrontational, and I did not have any wish to do that.
Uhm, RMS...since when do you not wish to be confrontational? Your whole approach is confrontational.
Disinfect the GNU General Public Virus!
Stallman says:
"Another misleading point in the article was the reference to GNOME as an "open source project." The Open Source Initiative has the right to define a criterion for open source and note the fact that GNOME fits it, but GNOME has no connection with them. GNOME, like the GNU Project as a whole, is part of the free software movement. GNOME is a free software project par excellence, because it was started in 1997 as a defense against the threat to our freedom posed by the (at the time, since changed) non-free license of Qt."
But right there on gnome.org, I see otherwise!
"GNOME is part of the GNU project, and is free software (some times referred to as open source software.)"
So, is GNOME open source software or isn't? On one hand Stallman denies it, and on the other it's confirmed on the project web page. Theories:
(1) Stallman is lying
(2) Stallman is out-of-touch with what-is-gnome
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
Wow, this is turning into a ping-pong match.
You have to wonder how much relevant information is lost before a story makes it to press these days. Partial quotes, reassembled sentences, poor fact checking. This is meant to address the media in general, not this article specifically.
We need a newspaper/website that quotes people word for word rather than just the highlights, and always sends two reporters to cover a job separately. Not that it will ever happen but I bet we'd have a considerably different view of world events if it happened.
...are a moron.
is the road of destruction. Icaza is either a fool or a sellout for getting in bed with Microsoft.
One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.
Update:
A recent love poem was uncovered early this morning. It appears to have been written by CmdrTaco (as shown here with a lustful cock eating grin) to his gay lover Hemos. Here is the transcript in full:
Tonight it's very clear as we're both lyin' here There's so many things I wanna say I will always love you, I would never leave you alone Sometimes I just forget, say things I might regret It breaks my heart to see you cryin' I don't wanna lose you, I could never make it alone I am a man who will fight for your honor I'll be the hero you're dreamin' of We'll live forever, knowin' together That we did it all for the glory of love You keep me standing tall, you help me through it all I'm always strong when you're beside me I have always needed you, I could never make it alone I am a man who will fight for your honor I'll be the hero you been dreamin' of We'll live forever, knowin' together That we did it all for the glory of love Like a knight in shining armor from a long time ago Just in time I will save the day Take you to my castle far away I am a man who will fight for your honor I'll be the hero that you're dreamin' of Gonna live forever, knowin' together That we did it all for the glory of love We'll live forever (we'll live forever), knowin' together (knowin' together) That we did it all for the glory of love We did it all for love We did it all for love We did it all for love FADE We did it all for love-end
Homosexual. Very Homosexual.
Why must we continually be subjected to stories about Richard Stallman. I have heard enough.
-Ando
Online journalism at its worst.
:. Ultimate Control Dedicated/VM Servers
Update:
A recent love poem was uncovered early this morning. It appears to have been written by CmdrTaco (as shown here with a lustful cock eating grin) to his gay lover Hemos. Here is the transcript in full:
Tonight it's very clear as we're both lyin' here There's so many things I wanna say I will always love you, I would never leave you alone Sometimes I just forget, say things I might regret It breaks my heart to see you cryin' I don't wanna lose you, I could never make it alone I am a man who will fight for your honor I'll be the hero you're dreamin' of We'll live forever, knowin' together That we did it all for the glory of love You keep me standing tall, you help me through it all I'm always strong when you're beside me I have always needed you, I could never make it alone I am a man who will fight for your honor I'll be the hero you been dreamin' of We'll live forever, knowin' together That we did it all for the glory of love Like a knight in shining armor from a long time ago Just in time I will save the day Take you to my castle far away I am a man who will fight for your honor I'll be the hero that you're dreamin' of Gonna live forever, knowin' together That we did it all for the glory of love We'll live forever (we'll live forever), knowin' together (knowin' together) That we did it all for the glory of love We did it all for love We did it all for love We did it all for love FADE We did it all for love-end
Homosexual. Very Homosexual.
Ok, what the F*$( is this open-source/free-software lark, and why is stallman critisizing a GNU project for not fitting the agenda? Am I missing something obvious, or are the two not the same?
The very existence of GNOME is the direct result of our ideals of freedom, precisely what the open source movement was founded in 1998 to reject.
:)
So open source rejects your ideals of freedom, and has done since its foundation?
Someone better notify the press
Henry
i don't do sigs. oops.
He can criticize any particular GNU project
because he leads the GNU project as a whole.
Be content with it or not, but you can't
change the facts.
Of course you can fork, the [L]GPL allows this.
Please note, as you can read from my other
comments on this, I am no GPL fan either.
My Karma isn't excellent, damn it! (And
"...those words would be explicitly confrontational, and I did not have any wish to do that."
;)
right... rms has never been known to be confrontational.
He will be missed
Show me That Smile (The Growing Pains Theme Song):
Show me that smile again.
Ooh show me that smile.
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end.
We're nowhere near.
The best is ready to begin.
As long as we got each other
We got the world
Sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.
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What has the FSF done for us today, and more importantly, what are they going to do for us tomorrow?
He's not. If you bothered to read the article you'd see that someone told RMS that Miguel wanted to change the licence of Gnome to the X11 licence. RMS said he would not like that and that he did not belive Miguel would do that.
Fuck you! Offtopic???? Are you brain dmaaged, you fucking stupid moderator? All you can do is moderate stuff that lays "Linux: good, Microsoft: bad" as +1. You never fucking pay attention to the topics! This thread is about a retraction of an earlier thread! You are too stupid to moderate and I can only hope that someone meta-mod's you as such. Rot in hell, you cocksmoker.
~Mike
A big enough hammer fixes *anything*
Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out. When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's not going to let go of him too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows it. She won't even tell her girlfriends about it or that guy will become the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got it made. Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her legs. Now stop and look at what you see. Beautiful, isn't it? There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy. I know. I've seen plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and tell her what makes her special. Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it. A little noise on your part usually doesn't hurt, and sometimes it helps. Some women are very hung up on cunnilingus, determined to believe that, no matter how much you say otherwise (and she claims to believe you), it may be at least a little unpleasant for you. If you're excited by her responses, or by the act itself, don't try to stay quiet about it. The same kind of sounds that will reassure and excite a lover when they're pleasuring you will often work when you're pleasuring them, too. This could be considered a secret weapon in sex in general, because most guys are rather quiet, and yet women almost always find responsiveness very exciting. The contrast between someone who's responsive and most of the other guys makes it even more effective than it would already have been. Now look at it again. Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin. Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of its own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled. Approach her pussy slowly. Women, even more so than men, love to be teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it. Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush and breathe through your mouth onto her genitals. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit. Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently. Tongue-fuck her. This feels divine. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of its covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up to the top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience its presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin. Licking doesn't have to be as simple as it sounds, either. You can keep your tongue soft, and gently caress it, or tighten your tongue to something of a point and rhythmically lick at it. Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder. When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!' There's a reason for that - most men stop too soon. Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him. But back to your pussy eating session...There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, during or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking. Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing. She'll let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one whose nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover. When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now. If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her. The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, made her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex. Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.
The G-Spot
This does exist. And in over half of the women out there, it works better than anything else you can do to cause a strong, prolonged orgasm. The original name is the Grafenberg spot, after a doctor, Earnest Grafenberg, who documented the area (which may have been known by people here and there throughout history) in the fifties.
This "spot" is a small "mound" of tissue inside the vagina, between a penny and quarter in size, which responds to being pressed upon. It's almost certainly not the skenes glands, (which are located around the urethra, which is behind the G-spot area), as has been suggested by a few people. In fact, the G-Spot is the tissue in that raised area of the vagina, which has a higher concentration of sexual nerves, and produces hormones similar to those made by the male's prostate gland.
A sort of map to the area -- Imagine your lover lying on her back, legs spread. Your position is between her legs. You would slide a finger inside her vagina, palm up. With your finger straight back, middle finger is best, you would curve it toward yourself, gently, as if you were gesturing to someone to "come here". In doing so, the area you press on should be pretty near her "G-Spot" area. If you know enough to follow the urethra (the tube that leads from the bladder to where the pee comes out), along the inside of her vagina, you may feel a slight swelling (if she's excited) at the point where the g-spot is.
She must be excited, especially if either you or she is new to the g-spot, for the g-spot to have any real effect at all. It's not the ideal area for getting your lover aroused.
But when she is excited, this area (more often than not) is the best way to bring her to orgasm. You work your way back to it gradually, teasing her (typically, this works best) with your fingers, slowly and gently. It's easier to hit the right area with two fingers, but this may not be comfortable for her, depending on how "tight" she is at that moment. When you have your fingers around the right area, try gently pressing, not too quickly. The movement should be fairly rhythmic. It's typically best if you're licking her clitoris (or near it, depending on the woman) at the same time...don't make a big deal out of the "quest", this will often make her feel self-conscious, or distracted. The licking should seem to be the primary activity.
When you find the right area, she should respond by getting more excited. Most of the vagina's inside surface isn't really that sexually sensitive, believe it or not...most of the excitement of randomly inserting fingers is more psychological than from the actual stimulation.
While more complicated techniques work with some women, some of the time, the best basic technique, upon finding the g-spot, is to continue to slowly, rhythmically press on it, while licking her clitoris (for a few women, the labia (lips) are sensitive to licking, too).
This should cause her to build up to an orgasm.
A G-Spot orgasm is different (always, when it works at all) than any other kind women have. It is possible, with some women, to have different qualities and kinds of orgasms from vaginal, clitoral, anal, and even breast stimulation...but with other women, those kinds of orgasms are all pretty much the same. But the G-Spot orgasm not only feels different; it also causes her body to react in a different way.
First, it often causes a "push out" orgasm. The area around, or "above" (farther inside, that is) your fingers seems to swell up or to contract toward the opening of her vagina.
If you find the right combination of pushing back when this happens, and slacking off to let it push out, you can cause (in perhaps half of the women) her orgasm to continue happening, long after normal ones would have subsided. In some women you can even keep her at a "plateau" (raised level) of sexual excitement, like a prolonged orgasm (or a little less than one) afterward, building up to an even bigger climax. I've managed to keep this pattern of build-up, orgasm, plateau, orgasm, build-up, orgasm for over four hours, with one lover. We stopped when, though she wanted to go on, she was so exhausted that she really had to stop.
That brings me to another important point; G-Spot orgasms sometimes causes a huge amount (relatively speaking) of lubrication (juices, wetness)...far more than even the most excited woman gets from "conventional" stimulation. It's a good thing, too, because otherwise g-spot orgasms can only be prolonged for as long as she does not get raw/sore from it...which is yet another reason to be gentle. When that extra wetness combines with the push-out orgasm, you get actual ejaculation...like a guy, but much better tasting. The built up juices can shoot out in such volume that you, or she, may be afraid that she lost control of her bladder. That is (almost always) not what happened. The fear that she peed can be enhanced by the fact that the urethra is behind the g-spot, so that in rare cases the woman can sometimes get the feeling that she needs to pee, even though she does not.
In reality, in both men and women, enough sexual excitement prevents peeing, unless you try really hard. This is a built-in reflex, because urine is something of a spermicide. The "pee hard-on" that men get in the morning is partially his body taking advantage of this reflex, to keep him from accidentally wetting the bed with the urine that built up while he was sleeping.
Licking the Alphabet
Believe it or not, licking the alphabet, one letter at a time, on and around her clitoris/vulva actually works. The real goal is to be able to keep regular, rhythmic motions going, but to change them in some gradual pattern that isn't so different it throws her off, but isn't so redundant that she grows insensitive to it. The alphabet is probably the longest chain of shapes that you can be sure to repeat smoothly and rhythmically, without loosing track of where you are. Unless you are a victim of public education, I suppose, in which case you may have to stick to the letters of your name, or the numbers one through nine (being too confused by where to put the zero).
I would not suggest combining this with the g-spot stimulation, at least not with the intention of really giving her g-spot orgasms. The two techniques conflict a bit, as the focus of arousal is so different.
Around the World -- or the Sea, Anyway
Once you have your lover "used to" the whole g-spot stimulation thing (she will actually get "better at" cumming from g-spot stimulation, the more it's done to her), you can try, occasionally and for variety, stimulating her g-spot until she starts to really respond, then switching back and forth between pushing (as gently as normally necessary for that particular lover) her g-spot and pressing the length of your finger on the opposite side, as per the last section. Sometimes you can even get to the point of doing one press on one side, one on the other, back and forth, which can feel amazing and a bit "what on earth are you doing? No, I didn't say to stop" to her. Most likely, though, it'll work better if you switch every several seconds, not every time you press.
I should not fail to mention the cervix. You may not have even noticed it, by touch, but it's there and once you find it you'll wonder how you missed it (unless your lover has had histerectomy, in which case it's missing, no big deal). This is yet another area where you definitely want to build up to stimulating, as it can actually be painful to even touch if she's not excited enough...but, despite assumptions to the contrary, it can be very useful for stimulation, done correctly.
As I said, issue #1 is that she must be very aroused. Well, bearing in mind that everyone's different, of course.
The Cervix is also about 180 degrees around from the g-spot, but it's in much deeper (typically). It leads back to the rest of her reproductive organs, like the womb. If she's pregnant, don't mess with this at all. Watch out, too, for IUDs and diaphrams and the like. Hopefully you are on good enough terms with her to already know if she's using one of these contraceptive devices, which fit over the cervix.
The cervix is not an abtract "area", it actually juts up, like a little flesh mesa or something. It has an opening at its very "peak", but this is normally closed pretty tightly.
The best way to start is to gently caress around the sides and base of the cervix. Remember, she should already be very "hot" before you even start this part. Eventually, build up to circling it with one or two fingers, around and around, gently staying in contact with it so she can feel the motion through the cervix itself. How hard you can press depends a lot on the specific woman. This is also something that probably works better as a change of pace, not the "main course" of the cunnilingus session...unless she really gets into it.
That circling motion may get another round of "what on earth are you doing...hey! Don't STOP doing it!".
You may even, and in my experience this rarely works, but works well when it does, be able to press directly on the tip, with your finger or fingers, pressing it the way a penis might if one happened be entering her at the right angle to hit her cervix.
Taste
Anyone who likes, say, coffee or beer should have no room to complain about the way most women taste. No, I don't mean it tastes like coffee or beer, genius...I mean that beer and coffee are, at best, acquired tastes...they are not naturally pleasant to a human being, no matter how much your addiction to one or both has convinced you otherwise. Most people, whether they remember it or not, had to learn to like the taste of beer/coffee, and had the desire to be Like the Adults to help them along. Well, I'd list taking pleasure in cunnilingus above drinking addictive beverages on the list of things that prove maturity. Aside from that, there's the fact that many people who give it an honest try genuinely enjoy the taste/smell.
Rest
If you do have a lover who can experience repeated, extended orgasms from g-spot stimulation, and you (for some reason) need to take a break, the absolute best way to do this is to give her a clitoral orgasm. This can be as simple as pushing even more gently and slowly on her g-spot, while giving her clitoris more attention (it can often take more direct and firm stimulation by that level of arousal), so that her next orgasm is really caused by the licking, not the pressing of your finger(s). This works because, with many women anyway, clitoral orgasms leave her feeling very sensitive, and momentarily satisfied (or at least wanting to take a breather).
There is, on the other hand, a very interesting trick for staying "in the game" when your tongue is getting tired. Switch from moving your tongue directly, to using your whole jaw to move your tongue, by slightly opening and closing it. If you tire of this, move your entire head, so that it's doing the actual work that makes your tongue move. When even your neck tires, it's on to the final backup-plan, but the one that works the longest; gently rock your entire body back and forth, at the same speed that you were doing each of the other, so that it's your body that's actually doing the work to move your tongue. For someone who hasn't built up the mighty endurance that's useful with a lover who can have hours of orgasms, this is a great trick. Of course it mainly works when you're going simpler, rhythmic motions...save the fancy tongue stuff for when your tongue's doing all of the work (you should be able to switch back to tongue-only motion regularly, as it gets rested).
I actually have a few issues to address regarding the Register's report...
.NET framework -
.NET technology specifically for GNOME. As we all know, that is far from the case... While this involves a quite obvious conflict of interest for M$ as a corporation (industry acceptance of .NET -vs- inadvertently providing Linux w/ new technology), I wouldn't say that M$ has been overly cooperative!!!
.NET including SmartClients and the new Microsoft security model. ®"
First, I would like to raise the question of exactly where it is that I can view de Icaza's comments.
"Miguel de Icaza has issued his own clarification, here, which also amounts to 'move along folks, there's nothing to see'."
Unfortunately, however, the good people at the Register neglected to actually link the here in that statement! Anyone have any ideas???
Next, I move to a quote the Register supplies from de Icaza regarding the
".NET is a fantastic technology upgrade for GNOME from Microsoft,"
Perhaps it's just me, perhaps it is the fault of the translation, but in this quote it sounds to me as if de Icaza is portraying Microsoft as having graciously created the
And finally, I point to the final line of the article referencing comments by de Icaza -
"In the interview, he praised many aspects of
Please...someone say it ain't so!!! Is this individual actually praising the evil empire's security model? Has he been smoking dope!!! I think I'll just forget that I saw that and move on as if nothing ever happened...
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -- Benjamin Franklin
"I saw that people were getting tired of my irritating childishness and my desire to stamp my own ownership on the concept of non-ownership, so I backed off until I could find another way to impose my will on developers who wishes to associate themselves with open source, which I of course invented and I of course own."
I do have to admit that the "Oh, I didn't really mean Gnome should be based on .NET" was amusing, though. The email making that statement and then describing why it would be a good idea anyways was great.
Ah well, Ximian will get to write one program and sell to the Windows and Linux markets, which is the entire point of Mono to begin with. (Anthing else is just justification for this common sense business decision.)
.technomancer
Things like this belong into the .sig, too.
Meta-Slashdot thread found in CmdrTaco's
Journal (IIRC).
Check my
My Karma isn't excellent, damn it! (And
Silly billy. This isn't a retraction of a Slashdot story at all, so your comment is wildly offtopic. Well done moderators!
It's like I said before.
Slashdot is becoming a sensationalistic tabloid.
Miguel's response to this controversy appeased a lot of my concerns about what they actually want do do with Mono, and especially his apparent admiration for Microsoft's stuff (he likes .Net, but still thinks everything that came before it is garbage). While I still disagree with his fetish for next-gen APIs over designing an actual desktop (which KDE seems much farther along with), at least he doesn't appear to be selling out to M$ as readily as it first seemed.
"Shows for me are mostly just about seeing old friends again. So in that respect, this was another fine show (although having Hemos slacking off in boston was just plain weird. I've gone to shows without him before, but not a LinuxWorld. Strange how you just get used to having someone around)."
This definitely sounds like someone's in love. I've had feelings similar to Rob's before, but it was for a significant other, not someone who I just called a "friend". Perhaps Rob should take a timeout from his girlfriend and pursue others^H interests.
Best of luck, Rob.
He was misquoted, and he straightened it out. It is amazing how many letters I have read in magazines from RMS, because they violated the gpl, or called gnu/linux linux, or whatever. I've gotta hand it to him, he doesnt take bull from anyone..
Oh, before any tom fool starts stating that a move of Gnome to .NET wouldn't mean rewriting everything in C# remember that the intermediate language best represents C# and other languages do not do nearly as well. Maybe Stallman is smarter than he seems.
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and that's still funny the 10th time I read it.
look it up, mods.
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It should be modded -5 damn freak!
RMS's ideals of freedom don't impress me as being very ideal, or very free.
Freedom is when you give someone something, and they can do what they like with it because now it's theirs. Lots of good people in the open source community give such gifts. I appreciate it a great deal and try to return the favor.
RMS's "ideals" are of the coercive sort: you are free to do what he tells you you can do. It is a license, not a gift.
"Those who have never entered upon scientific pursuits know not a tithe of the poetry by which they are surrounded."
It's no big secret that I don't like Stallman.... however, he's had some good ideas and he gave us the GPL, one of the most useful pieces of software of the last 20 years (yes, contracts are software too!)
So why is it that he continually manages to irritate so many people? I think the answer is, you have to think a lot like RMS in order to understand what he's saying... particularly on the first try. As a result, he's prone to miscommunication. He appears confrontational because he frequently speaks his mind in a way that's going to get misinterpreted by everyone else. So is it our fault for not understanding his 'great mind'?
I don't think so. Richard, if you'd just have some respect for other people's 'user interfaces', you'd have a lot fewer problems, and do the community a whole world of good. RMS is not 'intuitive' or 'user friendly' for most of the world. Understanding how people communicate is critical to building effective interfaces to software. It's even more critical as a tool of persuasion. The Free Software community, like it or not, has a public face now, and you're it. Do you really want to keep hurting the community you built?
I can see many people hates RMS.
So many comments and so many marked as -1, troll, offtopic, or flamebait...
Get a life, people.
What RMS thinks is HIS opinion, and he has the right to express his opinion.
Isn't America about freedom?
Okay, I'll call you out. Which of RMS's four freedoms is not present in any OSI-approved license?
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
Once again, The Register screws up and misrepresents the truth as some sensationalistic trash. Why am I not surprised? They can't just sit back and admit they made a mistake putting up that article and try to blame it on some other tech site. And they go on to try and demonize Miguel de Icaza a bit more at the bottom! Come on guys, what ever happened to fact checking and journalistic integrity? You wrote the article, you didn't check your facts, you were in the wrong. Admit it.
Hah. The day The Register posts an honest retraction and admits they made a mistake without trying to weasel out of it is the day satan drives to work in a snowplow.
I honestly can't believe the amount of crap Miguel gets, based on The Register's blatant misreporting of the truth. It's time people stopped going after leaders like Miguel and after the people who profiteer from turning the community on itself.
All opinions expressed are opinions. Duh.
It continues to amaze me over and over, how uninformed people attack Richard Stallman not substantively, but personally - attacking the way he looks, the way he talks, but never substantively refuting what he says. It amazes me even more, how these ad hominem attacks get up-modded. Apparently there is a lot of hatred out there for people of principle.
/. "community"). But it was precisely his unyielding, principled approach to software development that made the GNU project succeed in the end, despite the odds.
Well let's first get some facts straight. No one who uses GNU/Linux or any of the related free or open source software built on the Gnu/Linux platform would be enjoying the use of this stuff if it wasn't for Richard Stallman. In the mid-80s when he decided to rebuild Unix from scratch, all my geek and hacker friends who were Unix users at the time, thought he was totally nuts (just like a good part of the
Linus Torvald, a great programmer and a man worthy of praise, finished up what Stallman had started. But he was standing on the shoulder of a giant. If Richard Stallman feels that the OS should be called GNU/Linux he is 100% justified, whether or not its an ego issue as many here contend, or an issue of principle, as he does. Either way, as the man who made it happen, he has the right to make that demand. Whether you honor it or not is your choice. But insulting him while you continue to use the fruits of his labor is worse than hypocrisy - its theft.
There is not one, not one person, in the free software or open source world who has contributed more to the existance of this stuff than Richard Stallman. So at the very least, he deserves the gratitude of anyone who uses this software, for whatever reason they might use it.
To say that Richard Stallman's radical ideas are a hindrance to the acceptance of non-proprietary alternatives is absurd. This is the guy who invented the whole concept, this is the man who made it happen. It's precisely because he is fanatical and unyielding that this movement came into being. All those willing to compromise would never have stayed the course he did.
That doesn't mean you have to accept his point of view. I personally think that in the commercial world, there is a place for BSD-style licenses, and unlike Richard Stallman I don't think these are immoral.
Nonetheless I feel tremendous gratitude for what he has done and continues to do, I respect and admire his principled approach to his work and his life. I strongly resent the ungrateful, spiteful, empty-headed sniping that gets thrown his way in this forum. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
I have a great deal of respect for Stallman and laud his accomplishments on the behalf of free software. I have read many quotes (some lengthy) by him, however, and cannot characterize them as anything less than confrontational. His remarks also tend to have a sanctimonious tone. In this vein, I once saw an interesting photograph of Stallman, one that I am sure was taken and distributed with his consent. The photo showed a glowing halo over Stallman's head and his affecting the posture of a saint.
A lawyer & digital forensics examiner. Also an expert on open source software (OSS).
You're, like... absolutely right... um... That just -- that's just what we need. The... ah... exact words that people, that people say. Then we would get like... um... the story, I mean the real story, you know?
On the other hand, maybe a little editorial discretion wouldn't be so bad.
Don't forget the tendency of this community to interpret everything he says in as negative a way as possible.
If he disagrees with something, everyone starts screaming about he's a ranting ideologue who's bent on coercing everyone to follow his ideals. It doesn't matter how he phrases it, it's immediately translated by the anti-RMS crowd into some kind of insane crusade against whatever he's talking about.
Look at the current incident. Someone asks him a question that's based on faulty assumptions. He points out that the questioner might have some of his facts wrong, then says if they were right he'd disagree with it. Instantly the anti-RMS crowd comes out en masse, shrieking.
What's next? RMS order soup with his dinner, and we get the slashdot headline "RMS blasts salad as entree choice"?
I'm not sure why there's such a huge anti-RMS movement in the free software/open source communities. I have some theories though:
1. Stallman has the audacity not to uncritically support everything everyone else does in the open source arena.
2. He represents an older generation of programmers who did the real pioneering stuff, and young programmers today have self-esteem problems with recognizing anyone older than themselves.
3. They don't like his political views.
Wait... the Register misinformed people to show a story in a particular light, even if that wasn't the reality?!
No! It must be all lies!
ok, I'm offtopic...
Is it just me, or does anyone else think root-mean-square every time you see "RMS?" I really hope not.
how'd he get that nickname "RMS?" (yes, I know that's his initials you twit, but no one calls me NAP)
2 bit dictators also run "Open" democracies and have "Transparent" legislatures. Same with powerful rich dictators.
miguel never talked about binding mono TO gnome. in fact he even said its not in his responsibility to do so. he just thinks its smart to produce a #c-compiler for linux, cause it would bring the benefits of binary compatibility of linux and windows applications. i am no serious programmer but i can understand why he does it. if its possible why shouldnt that be taken into account. if you look at wine, its the same - no one flames about wine bringing microsoft to linux.
as i understood mono brings the benefits of developers being able to produce for windows _and_ linux without having to use java.
and stop complaining. when gnome 3 will be released we will tell our grand-children tales about grey-box-shaped computers that got hot enough to burn their processor without apropriate cooling...
i flame slashdot for this stupid headline. i think both people know its just a flamewar iniciated by journalists and not the persons involved. if you look at the register interview _AND_ the headline you get the clue...
journalists love this, its just imaginated nonsense and all people read the articles, post in forums, click banners, launch nuclear missiles etc.
my 2 Euro-cent
and yes, the karma-system sukks
Really....I don't give a crap what RMS says, thinks...get a life. Use you own best judgement about technology and the way you conduct yourself.
All without any sources cited. 1930s, political scene. Yeah, that's some really good anecdotal evidence. Thanks sparky.
I was wrong, so I'm now playing down my stance. :-)
That was jsut for the people not familiar with RMS who has been known to be openly confrontational.
Derek Greene
It's interesting to note that the BSD license
is the original prototype for all the follow-on
so called free or open source software. Before
BSD, it simply was not popular nor common for
companies or anyone for that matter to give away
source code, only binaries and binary modules,
which are a plain to deal with comparing to having
the source. We really need to acknowledge BSD
Unix and its role in the history of free source.
There was a discussion re: Smoothwall firewall, and the founder/creator, which conincendentially just happens to be Richard (or more appropriately Dick.)
From what I've seen about both guys (it might not be true, but it is from different sources, and widely accepted.) both are abrasive and rather unpleasant. (I'm not saying they're the same, but making some observations, and using both to make a point.)
I've had some friends and acquantences, who thought the whole world was wrong. And in fact, in many ways, they're right! But the way they go about "fixing" the problem - is in itself a problem. They attack everyone. They are abrasive. They are often hypocritical. They burn their bridges, and aren't polite. They use massive shock value to make a point, often offending many, including those who might help them.
Eventually, enough people are really sick of them, and practically want to burn them at the stake (or is that steak?)!
The point is this. I like pleasant people. Pleasant people don't have to compromise their principles, or sell out. But people who are not offensive and have an inflated sence of self importance are just more effective.
RMS probbaly isn't going to change, and that's too bad. From what I can see, his actions are his own worst enemy. Same with Richard from Smoothwall. They could have lots of positive effects, but they make themselves largely ineffective.
That's just too bad.
As to the hypercritical (hyper not hypo) response to them...well what's to surprise? They offend people, and then expect an evenhanded response. Sure, it would be more fair, but I know as well as anyone else, that a fair response is not very likely.
RMS by and large, helps shape the response he gets. I assume that he knows it, and doesn't care. That's the way things go.
Cheers!
Slashdot is worth saving / trolling & flamebait are not.
Find a way to rid the system of worthless tripe, slashdot is not congress or the only place for trolls to post and they are now essentially a clot.
This clot will have the same effect on slashdot, that it has on the heart or more cogently the brain. Rid the system of clots; Moderate them to the "spellcheck/read it before/linux sux/pr0n" playpen.
Please they are doing it to destroy you, or at least to drive _us_ away, fight back.
It is essentially the same as having a competitor dump offal and feces infront of your store every morning.
Move along... there are tens of thousands of other professionals we could listen to each day...
Silly billy? What are you, a fag? "Hey Spike, can I get you a bone, huh, can I Spike, can I, can I, huh?" "Hey Spike, how's about you and me go and beat up some cats? That'd be fun, wouldn't it Spike? Huh? Wouldn't it?"
"Yah, maybe not, Spike. Hey, but can I still get you that bone, Spike? Can I? Huh, can I, Spike?"
"Spike is my friend!"
Why is it even here?
One more big difference. Richard Stallman is a genius. Richard Morrell is just a dick.
One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.
Source code IS AN INTERMEDIATE LANGUAGE. To claim that free software needs another means of distributing itself is obsurd.
Did anyone else see "...major applications of GNOME into C# . I hope that the readers who reacted sharply to the idea..." Haha, RMS made a funny. (wow, i'm going to regret posting this)
Linus Torvalds says that, contrary to popular belief, he really does like shrimp, Alan Cox just got a haircut, Miguel de Icaaza is Spanish, and RMS really does want free software.
Seriously, does anybody care about a flamewar between people just because it's RMS. You don't have to be a Kreskin to know that he's gonna end up in a lot of confrontations. I'd think that Slashdot would be one of those societies where celebrity-stalking wouldn't take place.
However, I still can't bring myself to think that Stallman wasn't trying to start a confrontation with GNOME. Call me a cynic. I mean, even the tone of the Register's article must have picked up the confrontational "feeling" from somewhere.
Are you quoting some sort of kids cartoon? Do you go round to Taco's house and watch kiddies cartoons with him? Dragaynball Z and Gayndam Wing and the like? I suppose you do. Then I suppose you drink gallons of his semen while Katz and Hemos pound your ass. I know why, too: you love it, you dirty gay slapper.
"A free replacement for Visual Basic which works with GNOME would be a major step forward; any capable team that wants to launch this project should please contact gnu@gnu.org." --RMS
Psst, Mr. Stallman sir, you've already got one: GNOME Basic.
If you go from Emacs to kwrite you are not only a fucking idiot, but also a woefully incompetent computer user. Go back to windows where you belong with the other fuckwits.
(I don't know if he is still using that login account anymore or not, ever since MIT stopped providing guest access to those computers I've not kept track of who is logged in.)
Oh wait, I don't suck cock. I just kiss cock and maybe I wrap my lips around your big fat balls. You're taking me out of context!!! I'm not even a homosexual!
The way people kick RMS around these days, you'd think he was JonKatz or something :)
microsoftword.mp3 - it doesn't care that they're not words...
If you read some Open Source licenses and read the Open source Initiative, you will see that OS is just a fancy name for proprietary licenses. There is no one single Open Source license. They are all different, depending on the vendor, or author, etc.
I'd live for the one, and die for the one.
The one is RMS. That's all I have to say.
Where have you been the last 3 years?
These kinds of disputes are not what the community needs to stay together! It seems to me that the oss community is filled with more whiny self-righteous pigs than truly stellar and motivated programmers? Am i misguided in this assumption?
Did you not mean Sun R&D? I don't see a lot of value-add from .NET over Java, that could not easily be added to Java if it appears to be popular (like more cross language support). Perhaps if they'd done a lot more than just capitalize method names, or even added generics to get a little ahead of the Java VM... (generics coming in JDK 1.5, around 2005).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
is it also true that RMS believes that any non free software should be illegal. In that, his belief is allegedly that no developer should have the choice in what license to choose, and that freedom of choice is irrellevant to freedom of cost. Is this true?
So why is it that he continually manages to irritate so many people?
I don't know, I like the guy. But I can tell you this, someone who's phil@phil.org and who assumes that everybody knows his opinion on RMS, "It's no big secret that I don't like Stallman", now that's a little irritating.
Stallman Email says :The Open Source Initiative has the right to
define a criterion for open source and note the fact that GNOME fits it, but GNOME has no connection with them.
To the best of my knowledge the G in GNOME stands for GNU???
And geez with so much good research out there, why did Icaza have to choose a Microsoft product for a base to Gnome. Just seems to be a way to attract attention, needlessly by the way, I just think that there are great virtual machine architectures out there that could be used to implement a common runtime base for most languages.
Lastly, Richard Stallman is not only a free software activist, he is also the president to a prestigious foundation, with too much accomplished to let this PR blunder damage his reputation, so he released a nice email publicly retreating from a personal confrontation from Icaza.
But lets face it, in private he`s cursing Icaza's guts right now...damn he chose Microsoft after all....all you MSFT lovers don't bother replying, I have an affair with open source UNIX....
Broken Hearts are for Assholes. - Frank Zappa
Heh. You have a point.
Go read what he as to say about the .NET Framework, Mono and GNOME.
He also replys directly to the RMS controversy.
Wax on, wax off baby!
...the guy's a neanderthal. He's the classic geek, lacking in maturity and social skills. These can be developed though, and along with his technical knowledge could help him rise to new heights. I suggest he read the book "Emotional Intelligence," for a start...
And lay off the hemp (it ain't just a plant, dammit).
...and so a troll is born.
Ah, the sweet circle of life.
The goatse guy for president. Win one for the gaper!
As a result, he's prone to miscommunication. He appears confrontational because he frequently speaks his mind in a way that's going to get misinterpreted by everyone else. So is it our fault for not understanding his 'great mind'?
Not being able to understand what RMS is saying demonstrates a serious lack of verbal comprehension skills. I can't think of any frequent writer/speaker who states things more plainly than RMS.
RMS is disliked because he stands on principle and won't budge. He's misunderstood because we are living in probably the least principled time in recorded human history.
Best,
-jimbo
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RMS is one of the clearest speakers I've seen - he always goes to great pains to explain exactly what is meant by what he says - far more so than most other people - and still people manage to make him one of the most mis-quoted people around. How is that? Has nobody realised that each time someone claims he's denounced this good thing or supported that evil thing or whatever, that he can almost without fail raise his hand, point to a transcription of exactly what he said and go "No I didn't - look!"?
"...A free replacement for Visual Basic which works with GNOME would be a major step forward; any capable team that wants to launch this project should please contact gnu@gnu.org." [RMS}
Ya. I was having my cup of coffee this morning and thinking, "Man, it's been a long time since I've been infected with a solid high quality virus. I should go install W2k."
I keep trying to pick fights, but I can't shake this Excellent karma.
welcome to the underworld, my friend. Just under the surface, the truth about slashbot and many hidden mysteries await you. You must give up the karma that you cling to - negative karma is the red pill.
Why do you keep
posting like this?
Are you trying
to write in verse?
Is your browser
all messed up?
Anyway, please
stop doing this.
It looks like ass.
I think that it is important that a variety of licensing schemes, and I think that developers' should be free to choose the licenses for their code so long as they are not taking code from other projects.
Freedom is freedom is diversity of opinion. I think that if the BSD or GPL licenses died out, I think that it would be a sad day.
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
Dixnux (having hint of southern rebelliousness, it is evocative of ballsy stands that are not welcomed outside their region),
Ricksnix, Ricksnux (dead serious yet embued with a knowing jocularity)
starickynix (evoking political/commerical conspiracy theories)
RXnix (the perscribed 'nix, the good doctor's orders)
'Chardnix (evoking 'vintage Stallman' and a hint of scorched earth, and liter-assay)
SGNOTnix (Stallman's Gnews it's NOT uNix unIX)
I could be proud to have my nose counted amongst those found running SGNOTnix...leaving people green with ... envy! But I think I prefer 'Chardnix best, since some agreement can be had to give liters a good assay most days, regardless of license taken.
It "isn't free" because it "cost him" something? Aha, OK, to you "free" means only "doesn't cost anything".
I wonder if you think you're a free man? Do you live in a free country?
Do you have ANY fucking clue?
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Open source wouldn't so much be "breaking into" MS dominated areas, as *expanding* them, helping prop up the monopoly.
Don't do it.
Christian R. Conrad
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In practice, this happens so often that when you encounter someone who feels *too* "pleasant", you can't help but wonder if -- heck, you petty much gotta assume that! -- he's compromised his principles, or sold out.
Christian R. Conrad
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