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Kazaa Conundrum -- The Plot Thickens

Robotech_Master writes "The ever continuing Kazaa controversy just keeps getting better. This article on Wired highlights Brilliant Digital Entertainment, the company that brokered Kazaa's sale to the Australian firm, and indicates that the RIAA is investigating them."

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  1. I should start a company called 'Brilliant' by MattRog · · Score: 4, Funny

    So that whenever they refer to me in the press articles I'd always be lauded for my intellectual acheivements! :D

    (e.g. When the two ran into legal trouble at home and in the United States, Brilliant Digital CEO Kevin Bermeister, set up a meeting with Nikki Hemming, CEO of Australian's Sharman Networks venture firm.)

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  2. The RIAA will gain the upper hand by TrollMan+5000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When the various file-sharing networks can't even get along. Morpheus is down already!

    It seems like the piracy industry is falling to the same problems the RIAA did - greed.

    1. Re:The RIAA will gain the upper hand by crc32 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess this is where my main criticism of the file-sharing/P2P industry lies. If we want to win the battle, we can't be cought fighting ourselves. The RIAA/MPAA is extremely well funded, well lawyered, and has the law on their side. We have the internet and network-effects on ours. But when we fractionate our market with petty disputes, the powerful weapon of network effects are no longer helping us.

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    2. Re:The RIAA will gain the upper hand by mystery_bowler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. If you think for a moment you (as a business or conglomerate thereof) are going to make a mint providing the means to pirate, you're sadly mistaken. Sure, you might make some money. Maybe even pretty good money. But if you start showing as a blip on the RIAA's earnings radar, you and your lawyers are going to find yourself first very busy and second out of business.

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    3. Re:The RIAA will gain the upper hand by danro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the record:
      I don't feel any sympathy for the people that try to make money from P2P (Napster, Kazaa...).
      They are no better than the RIAA in my eyes.
      But in the short term we have a common goal.
      To spred filesharing to the general public.

      I truly believe that a world without all these mindboggling restrictions on information exchange would be a better place.

      The amount of money in the music business would be smaller, but by cutting out the now obsolete middle-men the money would go to the only ones in the business that deservs any: The ones that do the actual work! The artists!

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  3. Kazaa/Morpheus feud by grinwell · · Score: 3, Informative

    Surprisingly, the article doesn't touch upon the implication on the www.musiccity.com (Morpheus) website that the Kazaa folks had something to do with the DOS attack.

    I guess Kazaa is too busy with other lawsuits to worry about a slander case.

    (BTW, the previously posted spyware remedies for Grokster work with Kazaa as well).

    1. Re:Kazaa/Morpheus feud by arkanes · · Score: 2

      As far as I can tell from my experience, morpheus hosts that were connected before the upgrade and have stayed connected, will. If they close the client, or reboot, or whatever, they won't be able to re-connect, however.

  4. Kazaa v. RIAA by crc32 · · Score: 2, Informative

    With the current legal landscape, the RIAA will probably win if they choose to sue any of the companies involved (assuming, of course, if they can exercise jurisdiction!). The long and short of it is that Kazaa will be viewed similarly to Naster, and so Brilliant Digital will probably be seen as contributing to that "problem".

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  5. SpyWare by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Informative
    Well, maybe not, but it's still annoying. In Windows, when you download the latest version of the client from kazaa.com you'll be forced to install the bde 'stream' thing, which gives you, wait for it, a talking woman on the front page of the application. Yipeee.

    You can go to Add/Remove programs and kill it, but in true crapware tradition it doesn't actually delete the files. Go into the system folder and you'll find a bunch of DLLs prefixed with 'bde', both DLLs and EXEs. Delete them. (make sure you don't kill anything that belongs to the Borland Database Engine if you have it installed - check the DLL versions). There are two EXEs with fuzzy green icons.

    Next, under the windows folder there will be a directory called 'BDE', IIRC. Delete that too.

    Finally, go into the registry and look for the 'bde' and 'brilliant' strings. After verifying that they're not something else, delete those too.

    The removal doesn't seem to affect the kazaa client at all.

    1. Re:SpyWare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Moderators: before you moderate, make sure you aren't mod'ing up FUD.
      This made my windows box stop working altogether.

      Next time link to a commercial page that explains this!

    2. Re:SpyWare by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Look AC - when I say 'Go into the registry and delete HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software. Then sit back and enjoy the show', then you can flame me. When I post a link to a dubious EXE and giggle while I tell you to download and run it, then you can flame me. When I tell you to look under a few folders, find a few files, check them, delete them and do the same for a few strings in the registry, you are free to follow the instructions - or not. But you can bite me real hard if you're suggesting I'm trying to damage anyone's machine. Now be a good AC and definitly fuck off.

    3. Re:SpyWare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, maybe not, but it's still annoying. In Windows, when you download the latest version of the client from kazaa.com you'll be forced to install the bde 'stream' thing, which gives you, wait for it, a talking woman on the front page of the application. Yipeee.

      This isn't spyware unless they've added something new. Its just a browser plugin that streams live 3d and audio, like a 3d flash player.

      BDE3d started as a way to play multipath movies (like choose your own adventure) from cd-rom, but then they changed it into a web based movie thing, and now it's for banner ads. The site mentioned in the article, brilliantdigital.com explains it all.

  6. The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by Bonker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The more star systems will slip through its fingers.

    (+1 Bad Starwars Reference)

    The RIAA is 'investigating' this company? Regardless of Brilliant Digital Entertainment's ethics or motives, the RIAA is not a governmental body and is acting like it has the power of subpeona.

    All this is going to do is create new Morpheuses. Sure, they went to Gnutella rather than FT, but ended up contributing source back to the Gnutella project. It may be mostly GUI source, but User Interface is something that most open source projects are usually a little lacking in. I haven't looked at the source yet, but maybe they added one or two improvements into the way Gnutella files are transmitted that will now make it into other open source filesharing projects.

    By forcing their 'enemies' underground, the RIAA is cutting off its own fingers.

    Three cheers for Nullsoft for creating an unstoppable monster! Three cheers for all the people who've built and expanded upon Gnutella ever since, including Morpheus.

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    1. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by dattaway · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The RIAA is 'investigating' this company?

      The RIAA is investigating just like Microsoft investigates Linux. Anyone can hire detectives and thugs to do some "detective" work.

    2. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by scott1853 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally I think the RIAA has won a battle if they've forced another client onto the gnutella network.

      It's nice to have 5,000 machines hosting the same file, but it's a pain in the ass to find the 10 that you can actually download from at faster than .5K/s.

    3. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by mini+me · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If Gnutella supports resuming downloads (I forget if it does or not, haven't used it in ages) then there is no reason why multiple sources cannot be done with ease.

      Detrermining which host if the fastest so the majority of the file is downloaded from them would be a bit more tricky though. You'd have to have a test download file, or calculate who is the fastest after the file has started downloading. Either way it is all possible, and really wouldn't be that hard.

      If Gnutella doesn't support resuming, then they should add it ASAP.

    4. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by Stary · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Detrermining which host if the fastest so the majority of the file is downloaded from them would be a bit more tricky though. You'd have to have a test download file, or calculate who is the fastest after the file has started downloading.

      No, I don't think that should be needed... Just start from the beginning of the file from one host. Download a few blocks and see how fast it goes, and then calculate where to start the second download from the speed and number of hosts available.

      Actually I'm quite surprised it hasn't been done already...

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    5. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by dpilot · · Score: 2

      >The RIAA is 'investigating' this company? Regardless of Brilliant Digital Entertainment's ethics or motives, the RIAA is not a
      >governmental body and is acting like it has the power of subpeona.

      I dunno... Look at the way Congress and the Courts have been going, and there's not a heckuva lot of difference. Mostly just time-lag for the RIAA to ask the legal system to do its bidding, and them to start moving.

      No significant, standing victories for our side, yet.

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    6. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by inburito · · Score: 2

      Gnucleus does this. Try this. You need to use 1.6beta as multi-source downloading is not implemented in earlier versions.

    7. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by Kallahar · · Score: 2

      Simpsons Reference: "Buy him out, boys"

    8. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind that this solution could increase the overall file fragmentation significantly more than even the old way of doing things. As it is, I've found myself defragging my hard drive probably three times as often as before, and Morpheus-derived files (well, before last week) were responsible for inordinately huge amounts of fragmentation.

      Perhaps using this idea to go to a temp file, then copying the file while deleting the original temp file would help to minimize such problems.

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    9. Re:The more the RIAA tightens its grip... by darkonc · · Score: 2
      well, if you presume that all hosts download at the same speed (which your description seems to do), then you don't really need to do a partial download at all... Just split the download equally between all the available hosts.

      Once one of the hosts finishes downloading it's section, then you can sick it on the end of the remaining part with the longest estimated download time (calculate how large a piece to bite off by the calculation of the relative D/L speeds of the two servers).

      Keep doing that until the remaining blocks are too small to be worth repartitioning -- at which time you just start dropping servers from the queue (slowest drops first).

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  7. Re:What does this mean? by petard · · Score: 3, Informative

    From m-w.com:

    Main Entry: [2] ape
    Function: transitive verb
    Inflected Form(s): aped; aping
    Date: 1632
    : to copy closely but often clumsily and ineptly
    synonym see COPY

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  8. Make it affordable by outlawstar · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    As much as I want to respect the copyright on software, how can the average person who wants to fiddle with Photoshop afford $1000 for the program? Perhaps people would actually buy the software if companies started making prices more reasonable, and the licenses a little less restrictive (hint, hint MS)

    1. Re:Make it affordable by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Funny
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    2. Re:Make it affordable by jheinen · · Score: 2

      Take a class in basketweaving at your local community college. You then qualify for all those big educational discounts. A lot of colleges use eFollett.com as their online store for hardware/software.

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    3. Re:Make it affordable by joe52 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why does it have to be affordable? I can't just fiddle with a $50,000 Sun box because I'm curious (unless I happen to have legitimate access to one or went out and cracked into or simply stole one). I'd like to drive a Porshe, but I drive a Honda instead since that's what I can afford.

      There's no reason why someone has to make their products affordable to you. Photoshop sells pretty well at its current price. If you can't afford it there are alternatives, both in the form of cheaper programs that do less (PaintShop Pro comes to mind) as well as in open source alternatives (gimp). I'm sure that the kind people at Adobe have considered the fact that they could sell more licenses if they sold Photoshop for $50, but I'm also pretty sure that they think they wouldn't make as much money that way (which is something that they should be allowed to do).

    4. Re:Make it affordable by Jack_of_Hearts · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Are you joking?

      Gee, how can the average person who wants to drive a ferrari afford $300,000 for the car? Your stealing. Just because it's easy doesn't make it right. Oh, and people do actually buy the software. Adobe makes a pretty nice living, no thanks to idiots like you.

    5. Re:Make it affordable by thesolo · · Score: 2

      Why does it have to be affordable? I can't just fiddle with a $50,000 Sun box because I'm curious (unless I happen to have legitimate access to one or went out and cracked into or simply stole one). I'd like to drive a Porshe, but I drive a Honda instead since that's what I can afford.

      The difference is that your next job probably won't rely on you driving a Porsche in the past or not. However, Photoshop skills are marketable, and could land you a job. It's the old catch 22; you can't get a job without knowing the software, and you can't afford the software without a job.

      Although Photoshop is priced for businesses, Adobe would be smart to offer a cheaper version for non-commercial use; if it makes people only use Adobe products, then they win in the end.

    6. Re:Make it affordable by ryanwright · · Score: 2

      However, Photoshop skills are marketable, and could land you a job. It's the old catch 22; you can't get a job without knowing the software, and you can't afford the software without a job.


      I don't know, maybe try /investing/ in your future? What do you think college is all about? "But I can't afford college without a job." No shit. None of us can. That's why there are student loans and financial aid. And can't you download a trial version of Photoshop? Or buy a book, "Photoshop for Idiots", they're out there. Most probably include a student version of the software to boot...

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    7. Re:Make it affordable by bluebomber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference is that your next job probably won't rely on you driving a Porsche in the past or not. However, Photoshop skills are marketable, and could land you a job. It's the old catch 22; you can't get a job without knowing the software, and you can't afford the software without a job.

      Stop your whining. If you want to talk about photoshop as a tool and "photoshop skills" as a marketable job skill, make an applicable analogy -- a high-powered car doesn't cut it.

      Instead, think about getting a job as a carpenter. You have to know how to use the tools, but you can't afford to go out and get yourself a top-of-the-line DeWalt table saw for $1300. Instead all you can afford is a crappy used $200 table saw. Will the skills you acquire using the crappy saw transfer to the DeWalt? You betcha.

      Like another poster mentioned, acquiring skills is an *investment*. Defer and/or neglect self-investment at your own peril.

      From a business perspective, Adobe has positioned Photoshop as the "Cadillac" in their category. This is a pricing strategy. There are other pricing strategies available, but Adobe has chosen this one. If you're in the store with money to burn and a desire for quality, you're most likely going to pick the product that is higher priced -- this is generally associated with higher quality. This is the behavior that those who use this pricing strategy (eg Adobe) are counting on.

  9. Re:Oh no... by mini+me · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That may not be too far from the truth.

    I haven't been able to find any MP3s I've been looking for, for months now. Sure the P2P services still exist, but if the content isn't there they they are totally useless. Even right after the demise of Napster, the vast selection wasn't there anymore. Sure you'll have no problem finding the hits, but who wants to find them anyway when you could just turn on the radio?

    Maybe I'm looking for stuff that is just too obscure though?

  10. RIAA shows how evil it really is. by Your_Mom · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "We do not intend to stand idly by while others build business illegally off of our music," said Matt Oppenheim

    Call me old fashioned, but I always thought that music might belong to people that created, for example, maybe.... The artists?

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    1. Re:RIAA shows how evil it really is. by mazachan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I feel the same way also, but when bands and singers sign on with a record label, don't they essentially sell the rights to their music to the record company? If that is correct, then technically it is their music.

  11. Re:Oh no... by Kintanon · · Score: 2

    I stopped trying to download Mp3s months ago, the only stuff that was available was stuff released in the last 6 months or so, and it was just plain easier to stick a half dozen good streaming radio stations in Winamp and listen to that. I still have a small list of Mp3s so that I can listen to a few songs I really like that don't get radio play, but now for the most part I use p2p to pirate movies so I don't have to shell out cash to the damn DVD consortium.

    Kintanon

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  12. Losing money ... have lawyers... must SUE! by mshiltonj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bet they eventually sue ISPs. Common-carrier defense or no, they'll be a target. By not blocking 'x' ports, they are willfully facilitating copyright infringement by their user base. Or even universities, for allowing students to violate copyright with government funded networks.

    After that, it'll be individual users. A few high profile examples of Gnutella users with 40GB of music shared from an always-on cable connection being carted off to jail in cuffs, and that'll scare the pants off some people.

    It's gonna get ugly. The RIAA should get the ATF to raid the homes. That'd be good tv.

  13. Kazaa and Spyware by BrianGa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Download the acclaimed Ad Aware program here. It searches your registry and all your drives for running and installed spyware programs. It works great.

    1. Re:Kazaa and Spyware by TheChimp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Kazaa actually refuses to run if you remove the Spyware using Adaware.

    2. Re:Kazaa and Spyware by DmitriA · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't remove it. Replace cd_clint.dll (Cydoor's spyware) that's in your Windows system directory with your own DLL that exports the same functions but does not do anything when they are called.

      Here is the source for a replacement DLL (shamelessly stolen from someone who didn't bother to leave his name in the source):

      #include <windows.h>

      extern "C" __declspec(dllexport) int ServiceShow(int,int,int,HWND,int,int,int,int, int,void*,void*);
      extern "C" __declspec(dllexport) int ServiceClose(int,HWND,void*);
      extern "C" __declspec(dllexport) void ChannelRead(int AdwrCode, char* ChannelIn, int Resv1,int Resv2);
      extern "C" __declspec(dllexport) void ChannelWrite(int AdwrCode, char* ChannelOut, int Resv1, int Resv2);
      extern "C" __declspec(dllexport) void DescWrite(int BitStart, int BitLen, int Val, int Resv1, int Resv2);

      void ChannelWrite(int AdwrCode, char* ChannelOut, int Resv1, int Resv2)
      {
      // Nothing to do here.
      }

      void ChannelRead(int AdwrCode, char* ChannelIn, int Resv1,int Resv2)
      {
      // Nothing to do here.
      }

      int ServiceShow(int AdwrCode, int LoctNum, int LoctIndx, HWND hWnd, int X, int Y, int LenX, int LenY, int Mode, void *General1, void *General2)
      {
      // Return true to tell the host application the call succeeded.
      return 1;
      }

      int ServiceClose(int LoctIndx, HWND hWnd, void* General2)
      {
      // Return true to tell the host application the call succeeded.
      return 1;
      }

      void DescWrite(int BitStart, int BitLen, int Val, int Resv1, int Resv2)
      {
      // Nichts zu tun
      }

      int WINAPI DllEntryPoint(HINSTANCE hinst, unsigned long reason, void*)
      {
      return 1;
      }

    3. Re:Kazaa and Spyware by DmitriA · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here you go. It's zipped and then encoded with base64.
      After replacing the cd_clint.dll in your Windows System directory with this one, you can safely delete the following Cydoor-installed files from there:
      CD_GIF.DLL
      CD_HTM.DLL
      CD_HTML.DLL
      CD_SW F.DLL

      begin-base64 644 cd_clint.zip
      UEsDBBQAAgAIAAeiZCzJyqhlhgEAAAAKAAAM AAAAY2RfY2xpbn QuZGxs842a
      wMDMwMDAAsT//zMw7GCAAAcGwmADEPPJ7+Jj2M J5VnEHo89ZxZ CMzGKFgqL8
      9KLEXIXkxLy8/BKFpFSFotI8hcw8BRf/YIXc/J RUPV5eLhWoGf l3mW9r78nt
      gGHd+WkdWkD6ypxMMB2UmZwBEofZGeDKwODDyM wQI9NiAxN7wM CnyM3IxsDA
      BPUIEGgJAAkQVgBzBcBsJrg0nAZ7FMphgioFq4 XTUApozmIiwo TBgIGBg4H6
      QK8ktaIESJvBHMSE7AkIADoxQa8oJbEkEepWBa g6NlR1QC876B Wl5uQnMzDw
      QN0MVseBoc6JYRQMaxDa/Sb2kAASZXwg9pAOiL GDESgde4gHIi eCIjQKhhOA
      laVRwPICFMOsUKwB5NsAcQAQs0PLU2UgFgdiPi BOB4pPA+JiIK 4F4i5wWcsI
      LEqYgUWTs0u8c05mXoleSk4Og3MGsDJIzQlKTU xhcEktTg4vyi xJZQhOLSrL
      TE51zskvhnOCM/LLYcohqkYBjQHHaBCMWAAAUE sBAhQAFAACAA gAB6JkLMnK
      qGWGAQAAAAoAAAwAAAAAAAAAAAAgALaBAAAAAG NkX2NsaW50Lm RsbFBLBQYA
      AAAAAQABADoAAACwAQAAAAA=
      ====

  14. Brilliant Digital controls Kazaa, tracks piracy. by Templar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Brilliant Digital and Sharman have common employees. There is a definite financial link between the two. Look at the whois for sharmannetworks.com, and note the owner -- Phil Morle. Now, look at his site, creations.morle.com, and check out his employer.

    Now that you're on the Brilliant Digital site, check out their 'Anti-Piracy Statement':

    BDE has embedded proprietary encryption technology capable of tracking all copyright infringements.

    Combine that with their known partners -- Time Warner among them -- and you have a possible international conspiracy...

    Now we know why the RIAA wanted laws changed to allow them to hack p2p networks. Of course, they never did get it passed....

  15. Spyware Removal by EschewObfuscation · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fast Track associated spyware can still be removed by several utilities. Rather than hunting down each .DLL, you should simply download and run one of the utilities (which will clean out your system registry as well as .DLL and executables).

    One good place for information is here, and a good utility by Lavasoft is available here.

    I have not yet installed the new Morpheus client, but a report I read said that at least the latest Kazaa client is still installing these, even with the checkboxes for installing Gator, etc., left empty.

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    1. Re:Spyware Removal by Kintanon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Watch out for spyware removal software that has backdoors stuck in it. One of the IRC chans I hang in has been getting a lot of rumors of some of the software widgets that are supposed to remove the spyware also installing remote control backdoors on their machines.

      Kintanon

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  16. Oh no! by NiftyNews · · Score: 2

    Alright, RIAA, we give up! Where can I drop off my $10/month for Napster? We totally promise not to work on any underground schemes to subvert your pay-per-music system(s).

  17. KaZaA Owners Respond to Morpheus Attack by Jagasian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sharman Network/Brilliant Digital/KaZaA have finally responded to accusations that they were behind the attack on Morpheus. In an interview with the LA Times a spokeswomen for KaZaA, Kelly Larabee, said the company had nothing to do with Morpheus' network problems adding that we have no reason to have them go away. We'd rather them stay on FastTrack.

    1. Re:KaZaA Owners Respond to Morpheus Attack by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 2

      We'd rather them stay on FastTrack.

      Sorry, but thats a lame argument that even the 13-14 year olds who use Morpheus as their primary source of music can see right through.

      If you would rather them stay, then you would have helped Morpheus to quickly solve the problem rather than post on your website enticements for former Morpheus users to join Kazaa.

      The real intention was to disrupt all the Morpheus users and try to lure them to Kazaa. Everyone knows it, its obvious, and what Kazaa just said is a really, really, really lame argument.

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  18. Re:Oh no... by JMZero · · Score: 3, Informative

    E-music has such great talent. Here's their top sellers:

    1 Creedence Clearwater Revival
    2 Carlin, George
    3 Evans, Bill
    4 Reinhardt, Django
    5 Academy Of St. Martin-In-The-Fields Under Neville Marriner
    6 Monk, Thelonious
    7 Armstrong, Louis
    8 Acosta, George
    9 Bad Religion
    10 They Might Be Giants (TMBG)

    I'm not saying these aren't great, but you get the feeling that not everything is available on their service.

    On the other hand, Stacey Kent is free on MP3.com, and is perhaps the best singer in the world - try "You are There".

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  19. It certainly isn't any worse than the cartels by FreeUser · · Score: 2

    So how does downloading music for free respect the rights of the artists who created it?

    Well it does, to roughly the same degree as downloading legally purchased music from RIAA sites as documented here. If only every fourth music enthusiast were to send the artists one penny, the artists would still come out way ahead siding with the copyright violators than they would siding with the music cartels. If only one in four hundred send the artists a dollar using fairtunes, the artists come out ahead.

    So called music pirates have nothing on the media cartels when it comes to causing the artist direct. verifiable, and potent financial harm, indeed based on the corrilation of P2P usage and CD sales, quite the opposite.

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    1. Re:It certainly isn't any worse than the cartels by FreeUser · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but your calculation seems to be way off.

      Negative. You did not read the reference I provided. The Copyright Cartels are paying artists a whopping $.0023 for each song they sell on the internet, in their broken, copy-restricted, and not widely supported format.

      If one out of every four people who download the same song as an .ogg or .mp3 from their favorite P2P network were to give the artist a single penny, the artist would come out $.0008 ahead. Further math is left as an excersize for the student.

      Comparing CD sales to download sales is a preposterous comparison of apples and oranges ... people will always be willing to pay more for a tangible product with a shiny disc than they will a few electrons pulled down from a web site.

      An accurate comparison is apples to apples, namely what the Cartels are paying their artists for electronic downloads vs. what the filesharing community pays (or doesn't). And in that comparison, my calculations are accurate, based upon the figures the RIAA itself has provided.

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      The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  20. i can imagine the courtroom drama by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2, Funny

    The judge decides to install Kazaa on his laptop to see how it works, then the judge cannot get rid of the damned monkey. Then he sentences the monkey to life in prison.

  21. Thanks Kazaa/Fast Track by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    for proving that your "P2P" network really is centrally controlled. That was quite a stunt, kicking all those Morpheus users off, then trying to lure them back into the network to use Kazaa.

    I really hope the majority of people see right through this, choose Morpheus(and therefore gnutella), and I hope this gets fast track shut down.

    Its not true P2P if someone can flip a switch and cut everyone off. P2P is supposed to have no central control so when these programs become illegal(and there's no doubt they will shut them down if they can) they will live on because the network will still be there, and hopefully the project will also still be there living on in some enlightened country without industry sponsored politicians and the DMCA.

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    No, Thursday's out. How about never - is never good for you?

    1. Re:Thanks Kazaa/Fast Track by hyrdra · · Score: 2

      What about if Limewire, who have a significant installed client base invested in the Gnetulla network suddenly desides to refuse connections to, say, BearShare?

      IMO, it would come down to who has more clients, like soldiers in a war, and that's who would win. Meanwhile the P2P network will become a desolate war zone.

      So in a way you CAN control P2P by controlling the software. Get a high % of users using your client and suddenly change the protocol = controlling which clients can and cannot connect.

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      "I'll just chip in a bit for RedHat: I actually have that installed on my university machine." - Linus, '95
  22. Re:Importance by WildBeast · · Score: 2

    Patience now, once they grow up and mature, they'll produce terrific music. Can't say how much time it'll take them though :)

  23. About time they die by talonyx · · Score: 2

    With the death of Napster, we saw the influx of several better mechanisms for getting music. Gnutella provided more anonymity, Morpheus and friends provided more filetypes, and Audiogalaxy provided more convenience.

    It's time for the current, shoddy, slow networks based around central servers to die, however. Too many duplicate, badly named files, too many incompletes, and that evil necessity of downloading from a particular person instead of just downloading a particular file.

    I hope that with the eventual death of these amateurish networks we will see the rise of something more robust that makes my porn downloading less of a chore.

  24. Re:Oh no... by slaker · · Score: 2

    I'm sharing a complete library of Philip Glass's CDs at the moment (FastTrack/Grokster, and including .ac3 from the DVD-A version of Koyaanisqatsi), and a substantial portion of Samuel Barber's output, all nine Beethoven symphonies, .mp3s of the recent DG Opera releases on DVD (which are PCM only, boo hiss), maybe two dozen other .ac3 files. That's um... a little over 22GB, by itself, out of the 900GB of porn/classical mp3s I'm sharing.

    Of course, anyone who wants to download from my congested sub-28.8 internet connection is more than welcome. ;)

    Live? Man I wish. I've tried using standard tape. Everything sounds like crap. I have a live recording of Glass's "Beauty and the Beast" - taped when his touring production visited my university in 1995. I'd love to clean up enough to put online... sigh.

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    -- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
  25. I'm confused by Kallahar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The new Morpheus is assumed to have spyware and tracking built into it, right? Well... It's GPL'd and the source code is available... So... _IS_ there tracking?

    On a related note, how do we know that the source code available is actually the same that was used to compile the binary version available for download?

  26. Re:I'm really getting sick of this... by ryanwright · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Music is not software, you can't give it away... especially when it technically belongs to someone else.

    Especially nothing.

    You CAN give music away, EXCEPT when it belongs to someone else.

    Don't tell me you really believe I can't record a song and give it to anyone I damn well please... If it's my song, or if the copyright owner wants it to be free, then I can give it away all I want.

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    -Ryan, with the unoriginal sig
  27. Re:Oh no... by ryanwright · · Score: 2

    but now for the most part I use p2p to pirate movies so I don't have to shell out cash to the damn DVD consortium

    [Sarcasm mode on]

    Yeah, that damn DVD consortium, ripping everyone off by making DVDs available to anyone for less than the cost of a CD. All DVDs should be $1. Then I'll stop pirating their stuff.

    [/Sarcasm mode off]

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    -Ryan, with the unoriginal sig
  28. Re:Oh no... by maxpublic · · Score: 2

    I dunno, when I wanted to check out the new Alanis Morisette album on Gnutella I used Bearshare and downloaded half of the cd a week before it was released in the U.S. Based on what I heard I went and bought it the Tuesday it came out.

    It seems that the Gnutella network has most of what I'm looking for, unless it's porn. A sad, sad lack of quality of porn. Still have to go to IRC for that.

    Max

    --
    My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
  29. Re:Oh no... by Kintanon · · Score: 2

    I don't care about the money. But unless my facts or horribly mangled they are the ones who are responsible in one fashion or another for the region encoding on the DVDs.
    And if it's not them, it's the MPAA and I pirate movies to avoid paying them anything as well.

    Kintanon

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    Check out JoshJitsu.info for Brazilian Ji
  30. They do by crisco · · Score: 2
    Although Photoshop is priced for businesses, Adobe would be smart to offer a cheaper version for non-commercial use; if it makes people only use Adobe products, then they win in the end.

    Photoshop Elements. As far as I've seen from reading the box in the local CompUSA, its Photoshop without the nice print stuff like CMYK. Same interface, same core set of image tools and plugins.

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    Bleh!

  31. a challenge on that... by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 2

    As far as your (and other peoples') argument that they wouldn't make as much money if they sold Photoshop for $50 - take a look at the guy who invented the Ginsu knife! Sure, they could charge $100s just like Heinkel or Chicago, but they only charged like $20 for a complete set of knives. They made *millions* by selling *lots* of knives at $20. Adobe could make a lot more money by selling *lots* of licenses for Photoshop @ $50 than they do now at $1000/license.

    First, I'd like to challenge that idea. Provide me with data on how much Ginsu knives made, they may not have made as much money after all of the television advertizin' they bought.

    Second, there is an issue with your comparison to Heckels, Chicago, or Onan knives and mail-order Ginsu. Once again, one is professional grade, one is consumer grade. The differences between a drop forged steel knife and a serrated stainless are more than insignifigant. It is better, so it is priced higher. Whether you feel the cost warrants a personal value enough to be worth it, that is your decision.

    ...just like I feel that BMWs and Mercedes-Benz autos are to expensive for the value.

    Photoshop is a professional product, that requires professional feedback, developmet, and tool sets... unfortunately, that costs buku bucks to get done. Obvious Asian Rim piracy aside, it is a professional tool for professionals. It has professional costs, it also has professional development costs... and it functions well. So therefore it goes at professional prices. If it cost triple, people would buy it because it is indespensible, the true hallmark of its value.

    As far as software goes, it is good, and worth the money... so therefore it has a high price.
    Classic supply and demand.

    I would like it cheaper too to own it. But there is a reason it costs so much.

  32. Contrary opinion. by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 2


    I'd be willing to bet more than a few dollars on the fact that Adobe, not unlike the music industry, benefits greatly from piracy. People learn Photoshop, and they go on to foster the de facto standard that is Adobe Photoshop in the commercial graphics design realm.

    IANAAdobeTROLL, but the reason why photo is so good is that from a design standpoint, it is practically transparent... meaning easy to learn and operate. Most other "inferior" programs are designed off of their principles, therefore this need to learn argument needs work.

  33. When did Pirating become the norm anyways ? by insane8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is it just me or does anyone else remember the days of sneeking around to swap files on a BBS? FTP's still do exist right??
    When exactly did it become socially acceptable to launch multimillion dollar corperations based on Pirating Music/Software/Pornography ??? I'm not trying to be a hipocrit or anything cause my MP3/Warez/Porn collection could impress even the geekiest of geeks, but if I opened a "Stolen Goods & Porn Store" and advertised it on TV, I would be expecting a knock on the door from the police.

    People will always :

    1.Burn red lights
    2.Lie to the IRS (Revenue Canada)
    3.Steel Music

    The idea is that you don't go around announcing it to everyone !!