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Sundance Channel Showing "Revolution OS" Monday Night

SnickleFritz writes "Monday the 18th at 9pm the Sundance Film channel will be broadcasting a documentary about the OSS Movement. It will feature interviews with Linus Torvalds, Eric Raymond and Richard Stallman. It labels them as "computer visionaries." While it will probably be old news to most people here, I will still tape it and loan it to every OSS doubting Thomas in my shop." CD: It should be noted that cmdrtaco is in this, talking about free software while lounging on an inflatable sofa at linuxworld. Clearly you'll want to go buy a big screen TV to watch this. This is the same movie that was screened at SXSW last year and at LinuxWorld a few times. Other people featured in the movie include Michael Tiemann, Bruce Perens and Larry Augustin.

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  1. Help by alexmogil · · Score: 2, Funny
    It should be noted that cmdrtaco is in this, talking about free software while lounging on an inflatable sofa at linuxworld. Clearly you'll want to go buy a big screen TV to watch this.

    Am I seeing a jab here, or is my humor a bit off today?

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  2. yeah, I just can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And the god's speak again! Let's all rally behind what they say, like sheep.

  3. ESR? by Dionysus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will ESR talk about how M$ will collapse within six months again?

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  4. heh by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

    They've been running commercials on IFC for a few days; first time I saw I had a moment of cognitive dissonance--"Wha? What's Richard Stallman doing in my TV? He's supposed to be in my computer..."

    1. Re:heh by AnalogBoy · · Score: 3, Funny

      And all this time, *I* thought he was supposed to be in a mental institution :)

    2. Re:heh by Phexro · · Score: 2

      Or in a barber shop. Ye gods, have you seen the beard on that man?

      Does anyone else see an uncanny resemblance?

    3. Re:heh by AnalogBoy · · Score: 2

      Good god.. I do see your point, in both items.

      In the linux.hr photo.. why do i get the feeling there's a HUGE hookah under the table..

    4. Re:heh by dwbryson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I saw this movie in denver when it was here for a film festival a couple months ago. And the director JTS Moore had a little question/answer session afterwards. He said that during the 6-9 months he filmed this he interviewed RMS like 4 times on different trips to the east cost( a couple months apart) and *every time* he was wearing the same shirt. Watch the movie, look at his shirt... same in ever shot... you'd think it was shot in one sitting... but you'd be wrong.

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    5. Re:heh by pedro · · Score: 2

      Heh, indeed.
      Squint just a bit, and he looks a tad more like Ron Jeremy!

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    6. Re:heh by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Maybe he's like a cartoon character with a closet full of the same shirts.

    7. Re:heh by AnalogBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      AnalogOS STOP 0x00000001:
      Disgusting_Cross_Reference(RMS_Naked)
      Reference d from RonJeremy.o
      By Pedro@0xSLASHDOT

      Purging Stomach... OK
      Purging Memory.... OK
      Eliminating Pedro. OK

      {cerebrum} ok _

  5. Publicity by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that any publicity showing the 'alternate' (non-wondows) side of computing is good. Linux and the other non-mainstream systems deserve some amount of publicity along with the people behind them. What was that movie, made for TV on TNT I think it was called Pirates of Silicon Valley. Hopefully this will be a little better.

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  6. the sundance channel?! by edrugtrader · · Score: 4, Funny

    what cable package comes with that?! time to get the old black box out.

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  7. Don't you mean.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    GNU/Visionaries?

  8. Awesome! by Oliver+Defacszio · · Score: 4, Funny
    Yeah, show a whole bunch of people who have never heard of OSS before Stallman and Raymond. If you're lucky, Stallman will spend a half-hour flipping out over the term "open source" and Raymond will regail us all with his harrowing ascent into riches. Why not throw Dan Bernstein or Theo de Raadt in there too, just to make sure absolutely everyone is turned off?

    I've said it before and I'll say it again- using those two malcontented weirdos to "sell" anything is professional suicide.

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    1. Re:Awesome! by Fweeky · · Score: 3, Funny

      > I've said it before and I'll say it again- using
      > those two malcontented weirdos to "sell" anything
      > is professional suicide.

      Yup, never mind breaking up Microsoft or forcing them to open their API's, just make them to take on RMS as their chief marketing bod.

      Of course, we'll have to run him through a copy of sed -e s/GNU/Microsoft/ first to make sure he has the desired effect.

    2. Re:Awesome! by Theo+DeRaadt · · Score: 5, Funny
      Why would it be a problem if I were to be on the show? I've created the most secure, stable operating system available under a truely Free license. I forked from NetBSD. I turned shit into gold with my Midas touch. People ought to be paying me to appear on television.

      If nothing else catches their eye about open source software, maybe it would be the assurance that a team of experienced developers out there are developing the next generation of freely available information security tools (OpenSSH and OpenSSL, anyone?) that are already tightly integrated with a strong, BSD-based OS. We've already started working closely with several crypto-card manufacturers to write drivers for lightning-fast VPNs.

      You are right about ESR, though. He's a nut.

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    3. Re:Awesome! by CoolVibe · · Score: 2
      Hmm, is that really a good idea? I already see him harpng on about Microsoft/LInux and MIcrosoft HURD...

      No, don't run 'im through sed. RMS is great like that as he is ;-) (yes, that's sarcasm)

  9. Shameless.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This story was shamelessly ripped from kuro5hin

    see?

    Lets give credit where credit is due

    1. Re:Shameless.... by Surt · · Score: 4, Funny

      oh the kuroshin jealousy is just so transparent it's painful to watch. many people who submit stories submit them to multiple sites, hoping to get noticed somewhere. slashdot just has better quality control than kuroshin, so it takes a little longer for the stories to get posted (not that slashdot quality is perfect, just better than kuroshin).

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  10. Moving to the mainstream? by yog · · Score: 2, Troll

    It's nice to see OSS moving to the mainstream, if only on a cable channel. The web site has a lot of reviews but doesn't really suggest a mainstream audience. Probably it would be mostly people who are power users of Windows or else programmers who already understand the significance of OSS. I hope it does signify a trend, though.

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    1. Re:Moving to the mainstream? by slugfro · · Score: 2

      Moving to mainstream??? I am not sure about the rest of the people here but I have certainly never heard of the Sundance Channel before I read this post. Sundance Film Festival yes but not the channel. Does anyone here acutally get the Sundance Channel with their cable?

      Maybe someone can put it up on the web so we can all see it

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  11. I think I understand now.... by evilviper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, everything related to GNU or Linux is revolutionary, but the thousands of people writing Open Source operating systems & programs before the GPL got popular, were just a fluke? Just and oddity that doesn't deserve a second look?

    Or are we just pandering to your love of buzzwords? Oh yeah, make sure you have an American Flag in the corner too... That would complete the picture.

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    1. Re:I think I understand now.... by bytes256 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I concur...the BSD folks were far more visionary...they kinda invented the concept of built-in networking and made a very nice portable interface for networking (sockets)...they invented the visual editor (vi)...and they wrote the first alternative to the Bourne shell (csh)

      Now those are visionaries...I appreciate the work of Linus and crew, but for all intents and purposes they're rewriting UNIX...the BSD folks did that more than 20 years ago.

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    2. Re:I think I understand now.... by evilviper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First off, I can understand how anyone living outside the US would not understand the implication.

      Ever since Sept 11th 2001, every News program on TV has had an American flag in a corner throughout the show. Most new commericals show people standing in front of multiple waving flags.

      This is not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people sticking US flags on their cars, and Red White & Blue pins on their person. (A sort of sign saying "I'm a mindless tool" if you ask me.)

      In addition, the film is being shown in the US and I must say that I believe Americans do at least make up the majority of Open Source developers.

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    3. Re:I think I understand now.... by saintlupus · · Score: 2

      We have seperation of church and state in this country.

      Then why were our senators and congresscritters singing "God Bless America" on 9/12 or so?

      Why can't I swear on a copy of "Origin of Species" when I'm in court?

      And how come I can't get any currency that says "In Entropy We Trust"?

      --saint

    4. Re:I think I understand now.... by evilviper · · Score: 2

      If you'd asked me what I would do if I was a terrorist (or what I'd though terrorists were going to do next) up to a year before Sept 11th, I'd have said they'd hijack a commercial jet and crash it into the Empire state building.

      I though that on my own, without any research, and knowing nothing about the conspiracy the CIA uncovered in 1995 that Bin Laden's people were going to crash a jumbo jet into CIA headquarters.

      I'm not saying I'm psychic, or any crap like that. It's simply a matter of using logic.

      You know what logic tells me today?

      Things I know:
      1. It's easier to kill someone with a sharpened pencil than a 2" pocket-knife.
      2. If people are stupid enough to sit around as someone's neck is slashed with such a ridiculous weapon, every last one of them deserves a collective darwin award.
      3. The same type of people could be cohearsed by hanging some wires out of a box and claiming it's a bomb that will blow up the plane.
      4. Cockpit doors are no thicker than they ever were before.
      5. People in the US and around the world are not getting any smarter.
      6. The FAA still has avoided the credit they deserve, and as long at that is the case, they have no motivation to actually increase security.
      7. It's still Clinton's fault that the Bin Laden threat was never taken care of. 3 Murderous bombings, and dozens of unfulfilled plots is no subtle warning.
      8. There are plenty of bacteria that will show no signs for weeks before they kill you.
      9. Our few sources of fresh water are unprotected, and no ammount of filtering can set rid of all viri.

      In otherwords, the world in no safer today than ever before. It's no less safe than ever before either. Pretending to be patriotic is not helping... It's just turing the USA into some damn big mindless & ignorant cult.

      (No, this doesn't really relate to your point, you just provided a good setup for me to rant a little!)

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  12. Is this the one with.. by antis0c · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..the nude commentary by Cowboyneal at end? .. No wait.. that was a drea.... nevermind.

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  13. Encode it in Divx by Link-chan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Someone should encode it in Divx for all the Slashdotters. I might not be able to see it (not sure if I have the Sundance channel) and others might not be able to see it either.

  14. Re:No sundance! by d.valued · · Score: 2


    Can't. Violates Copyright law. ;)
    </sarcasm>

    AFAIK, it's only on digital cable and minidish systems.

    fyi

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  15. Argh.. don't copy it.. by divert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ehh.. the video isn't GPLed.. don't copy it.. go here.. http://www.revolution-os.com/page1.html and do as it says.. mail them and hopefully they will put it out on video or DVD then you can buy it..

  16. Weeeeee! by Leven+Valera · · Score: 5, Funny
    Clearly you'll want to go buy a big screen TV to watch this.

    It's the only way they could fit RMS's ego on the screen. :)

    Relax, it's a joke. I can feel the flames already.

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    1. Re:Weeeeee! by MisterBlister · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      RMS isn't even that fat compared to most of these other tubby OSS hippies. He is, however, clearly nuts.

    2. Re:Weeeeee! by nomadic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Flames? For making fun of RMS? Geeze, why does everyone on here do that.

      "Oh, I'll get flamed/modded down for this, but I think RMS has an ego".

      For some reason this aspect of /. just irritates the hell out of me; it's like, "I know I'll get modded down for expressing these views that everyone else on slashdot agrees with, but [extremely popular view]."

      It's like the people who insist they're going to get modded down for criticizing windows, but here goes.

  17. Huge? by DeadBugs · · Score: 5, Funny

    "cmdrtaco is in this, ....while lounging on an inflatable sofa at linuxworld. Clearly you'll want to go buy a big screen TV to watch this"

    Now I have never seen 'taco but is he a large man that requires an extra size TV to view?

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  18. Maybe if we're lucky by Pope+Slackman · · Score: 2

    ESR'll give us some "sex tips for geeks" too!

    C-X C-S

  19. I've seen it by joeflies · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think that the film plays linus fairly close to his public personality (carefree about the implications of linux, doing it because he likes it), and it does show raymond, perens, and tienman as the evangelists.

    But the most suprising portroyal is how Stallman comes out. It shows a much more ballanced view of the GNU philosophy without coloring it with all the other stuff that Stallman gets knocked around for. They do show some of the conflict coming out between Stallman and his view of Linux, especially the footage of the LinuxWorld 99 acceptance speech.

    Movie is better than I expected, and I like the fact that there is so much story behind where Linux came from, although it does paint a fairly narrow view of where Linux is going. Majority of it comes from the linux-mania of 99, and a footnote regarding VA Linux's stock runup and down.

    1. Re:I've seen it by popdookey · · Score: 2, Informative

      The film played earlier this year at the Hawaii International Film Festival. Yeh, we have an international film festival. The film was a superior Documentary about the revolutionary qualties of Linux. It introduced Richard Stallman and the whole concept of GNU. You meet Bruce Perens and learn about Open Source. Both "movements" are very objectively and positively portrayed for their respective contributions to Linux. It is a documentary, not a commentary. If you possibly can, watch this film. At least talk to your local video store, or maybe have your linux user's group buy a copy. To see these visionaries in "person" is quite impressive and a good reminder that they are only people. (though they are freaks) If you are trying to get someone to understand this whole thing, the movie does a great job for you.

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  20. Re:No sundance! by sam_handelman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Silence! This is slashdot! You will not speak of analog media here!

    Make a DivX out of it and distribute it on Gnutella, Kazaa, OpenNap etc.

    Anyone who mails a VHS tape will be consigned to the same hell as people who think .NET is neat.

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  21. wrong title by elmegil · · Score: 2

    It should have been "OS OS Revolution".

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  22. it's also playing in Austin, TX on the big screen by max+cohen · · Score: 2

    The Alamo Drafthouse North theater in Austin, TX will also be showing the film. It opens on March 22. Those of us who saw it last year at SXSW can now see it again on the big screen, almost exactly one year later! :)

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  25. Uh... by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    maybe the same person submitted it to both sites...

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  27. Re:Shameless....mod 'im up! by aka-ed · · Score: 2

    That isinformative...especially for those who need the VCR plus codes or the rebroadcast times....you could work on your people skills though...

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  28. Re:Popularity/Coverage of Sundance Channel? by aka-ed · · Score: 2

    You need to sharpen your Googling skills. A search for "Sundance Channel" (include the quotes) brings up their fancy-schmancy website at the top. It's not even a hard URL to guess.

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  29. IMDB surfing by mistered · · Score: 2, Informative
    So I happened to look up Revolution OS in imdb and found the following interesting tidbits:

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  30. Additional Showings by ssheth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Searching via my Tivo, I see that there are several showings planned on the Sundance channel:

    Monday, March 18 @ 11:00 pm
    Thursday, March 22 @ 8:00 pm
    Saturday, March 24 @ 3:00 pm

    All times Central Standard time .. adjust for your time zone.

  31. DVD by caldroun · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just got an email from J.T.S. Moore, the director. He tells me that the DVD will be out sometime towards the end of the year.

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    1. Re:DVD by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2


      But how are you going to watch it on a Linux box???

  32. Re:Popularity/Coverage of Sundance Channel? by aka-ed · · Score: 2
    Obviously, I misunderstood you in my previous response.

    The media metrics guys don't measure viewership or penetration for any channel that is not a client. Sundance and Independent Film Channel are both "niche" channels, there primarily to market to the crowd drawn by "art" and independent film, and I am sure they have not signed up for any metrics services.

    Recent Cable Nielsen results are here, but Sundance and the Independent Film Channel aren't even counted.

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  33. Re:Popularity/Coverage of Sundance Channel? by aka-ed · · Score: 2
    sorry, bad url...recent Cable nielsens here.

    ...this time I will preview...

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  34. That's no lady, sir... by pcwhalen · · Score: 3, Funny

    "cmdrtaco is in this, talking about free software while lounging on an inflatable sofa"

    If you look carefully, you will see this is NOT AN INFLATABLE SOFA but intead its Stallman's INFLATABLE DATE.

    OK. Mod me down. It was worth it. Watch where you sit, Taco my boy.

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  35. Revolution: OS in Austin by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 2

    The Alamo Drafthouse North in Austin, TX will be showing this movie for a couple weeks. While not a wonderful piece of filmmaking, it's an interested watch. Plus the Drafthouse has good sandwitches and cold beer (though you might be confused by the free speech, free beer thing because you had to pay for yours.)

  36. Heaven's Gate... by Psarchasm · · Score: 2

    I dunno, I head Heaven's Gate still has an opening or two...

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  37. you're not missing much by syf0n · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw this in October at the Savannah Film Festival...(SCAD). It's one of the places it was first shown. A lot of people thought it was wildly inacurrate and did a bad job of portraying a lot of good people (Torvalds, etc.). You'll really have to see for yourself, but if you don't get sundance, don't think you're missing anything incredible.

  38. Oh well by Goonie · · Score: 2
    It couldn't be as bad as Antitrust :-)

    Though I don't imagine this one has Rachael Leigh Cook and Claire Forlani in it . ..

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  39. same shirt? Ohgawd! by pedro · · Score: 2

    Geez. I tend to do the same thing. Have for years.
    I like big, floppy tees with pockets. They don't restrict, and leave my neck alone. This reassures me that I am Safe(tm).
    Maybe the familiar textures and aroma(s) allow one to maintain a connection to a known and stable frame of mind.. Eccentrics have long been known to carry some comfortable element of their environs around with them for this very reason.
    Einstein would be a good example of the aforementioned fussiness.

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  40. ESR? Computer Visionary? by blair1q · · Score: 2

    You mean the guy who stole the Jargon File?

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  41. New revenue source for OSDN? by Phroggy · · Score: 2

    Clearly you'll want to go buy a big screen TV to watch this.

    I know how OSDN is strapped for cash these days. What if companies paid them to add some relevant links to Slashdot editor comments?

    Clearly you'll want to go buy a Sony big screen TV to watch this.

    Is Slashdot above product placement? Tell me you weren't thinking about it when you read the article!

    (I would have used Philips in my example, but their site is broken in Mozilla.)

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  42. any reviews? by passion · · Score: 2

    Has anyone seen this movie? Can anyone comment on the quality of narrative, or the interview continuity, etc.

    Is this worthwhile to introduce to my non-tech family members, or will I see Capt. Kirk at the end telling us all to go home, move out of our parent's basements, and get a life?

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  43. Alternate Timeslots by msobkow · · Score: 2
    Revolution OS shows at:
    • 3/18 9:00pm
    • 3/22 6:00pm
    • 3/24 1:00pm

    Gotta love TiVO listings. DirecTiVO takes care of that watch one record another thing just fine, too.

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  44. Watch the first 9 minutes over at Ifilm.com by EraseEraseMe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Blatant stealing of link from previous poster

    My review of the 9 minutes:

    Linus seems like a nice enough guy, quiet, proto-typical geek, tends to talk a bit too technical but uses metaphors, comparisons to get his point across...Overall grade: B
    Bruce Perens knows what he's talking about, but is either A) Amazed at the shiny flashing light on the top of the camera or B) staring at himself in the reflection of the camera. He needs to sit back, relax, and stop swinging around like a monkey...Overall Grade: C+
    Mr Stallman handles himself well enough with an interviewer, but tends to talk over the heads of any non-technical viewer. His anecdote is interesting though, the loss of freedom because of having to use passwords..I wonder if he'd still give the same argument...Overall grade: B-
    Eric Raymond scares me...and his obvious loathing for Microsoft is dripping off of every word "I'm your worst nightmare" That's jokes we tell around the office, not in public...Overall grade: C

    9 minutes was enough of an anti-MS stance for me...the female voice, reading Bill Gates' letter to the hobby club was embarassingly melodramaticized.

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  45. On monday and tuesday I am boycotting Slashdot... by Travoltus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just in case a follow-up on this is posted, which will certainly result in Richard Stallman being flamed by all the under-achieving gen-x legends in their own mind species of trolls and ingrates, whose very enjoyment of the freedom granted by GNU/Linux was because of Stallman's creation, propagation, and defense of the GPL.

    (How's that for the world's longest run-on sentence??)

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  46. Breakfast by Nastard · · Score: 2

    Revolution Os: The revolution will not be televised. However, it will be part of this complete breakfast.

  47. CmdrTaco's Bacon Number by ckd · · Score: 2

    Though for whatever reason "Rob Malda" is not listed in the Oracle of Bacon at Virginia's database, other folks who appear in Revolution OS are listed. Since Bruce Perens has a Bacon Number of 3, for his appearance in Revolution OS, CmdrTaco's Bacon Number is also 3.

    Now, the question is, does he have an Erdös number?

  48. ESR & RMS are not the same guy by Vamphyri · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You seem to be talking about Richard M. Stallman. Yes, Eric Raymond and Richard Stallman were roomates in M.I.T. but they are not the same person. Get your facts straight.

    ESR is an excellent spokesperson and Open Source advocate. I've met him a couple times. Check out his webpage Eric Raymond's Homepage.

  49. Heh. by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    I knew a very beautiful girl who was into computers and stuff, and not only that she was impressed by computer ability.

    Sadly, I never got any naked pictures of her :(

    Oh, also Asia Carrara considers herself a geek. keslin is a geek sig-spammed k5 and slashdot for a while to get people to go to her porn site. You could probably say she was a geek, but. you probably wouldn't say she was that good looking...

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  50. Re:autopr0n r4wKz by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Shameless plug, hit: autopr0n [autopr0n.com]

    Heh, actualy I think I'm doing a good enough job of that on slashdot myself. If you really want to help, plug ap on other sites :P

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  51. Says who? by FallLine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why should we believe that Linux's success, never mind "freedom", owes to the GPL? Here's a more probable hypothesis for why Linux is under the GPL license:

    a) there were a bunch of free tools out there that happened to make life a little easier for the developers and were/happened to be under the GPL.

    b) the developers, not much caring for any particular open ideology, decided that it was worth the hassle to go GPL to get those tools.

    c) the viral nature of the GPL ensured that it continued to remain under the GPL and not OTHER open licenses. note: This is not the same thing as saying that that the GPL kept it open and/or alive, just that it remained under GPL.

    Even if you accept that the GPL played some kind of important role (which is a real stretch if you ask me), it's JUST an idea and a rather trivial piece of work at that. For people that espouse the ideas that "information deserves to be free", it seems rather ironic to believe that you owe some kind of tithe to the person(s) that originated the idea ("obvious")and the text ("trivial") of the GPL. You laugh at patents and copyrights that do more and expect less...

    1. Re:Says who? by FallLine · · Score: 2
      To suggest that the GPL is a rather trivial piece of work is obsurd. Stallman was the only one that wrote a liscence with provisions to prevent hijacking by proprietary technology.
      Why? Give me a reason to believe otherwise. It's just a license and a rather simple one at that. It's something that any decent lawyer that is sufficiently aware of the issues could write up in a couple days. Anyways, this presumes that you think the provisions about preventing the so-called "hi-jacking" of source is worthwhile, never mind not counter-productive.

      Though you could argue the code for the Linux kernel might be the same under say the BSD or X11 liscence...
      I argued precisely that. It makes sense.

      theres no doubt Linux would be a shadow of it's former self if it weren't for the GNU project and other GPL software endeavors.
      Firstly, you need to make a distinction between works of the GNU Foundation and works that were licensed under the GPL. If you accept the fact that the GPL software is indeed viral in nature, virtually any GPL'd code that makes it into the code base will practically have the effect of spreading itself into other parts. So it's disingenious to assert that GPL software inputs into the project are the same as a contribution by those that need or advocate the position of the GPL.

      Secondly, while there may be no doubt that Linux used GNU code and products in the development of Linux, it does not automatically follow that Linux required either GNU code or any contributions of RMS. Would you make similar assertions about projects developed on Microsoft platforms? For instance, "if it weren't for Visual C++, then Photoshop would have never happened or been as good as it is." It's quite ludicrous, you need to evaluate the alternatives and the cost or feasibility of simply developing them from scratch. Don't confuse the GPL's pervasiveness in open source software with GNU's importance. They may be obliged to follow the licenses for using the code, but that doesn't mean they actually owe any further debts to GNU. Just as someone that develops on a Microsoft platform with Microsoft tools and code need follow the licenses and agreements, that doesn't mean they actually owe anything further; at the time of development the developers decided the costs/conditions of using the MS "stuff" was worth the benefits, but that's as far as you can reasonably go with it.