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Laser HUD Projected on Retina

Ligur writes: "The scoop is at the Seattle P-I: 'This fall, Bothell-based Microvision Inc. plans to give people the same cybernetic experience that once existed only in a screenwriter's imagination. Through a device called Nomad, people will be able to read information from a small, wearable computer that projects an image over their normal vision.'" Looks like they've come a long way in the past three years.

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  1. Cant wait till the price comes down by gmg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be interesting to see how this would be integrated with our current set of home devices. Right now it appears the cost is a bit too much for the average geek.

  2. Transparent? Not really by Software · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The display is a red, transparent computer screen, but, in fact, is no screen at all. The device shoots a tiny laser beam that draws patterns onto the retina so that only the wearer sees the images.
    OK, fine, but how come I can barely see the guy's right eye in the picture? There's not much point in a transparent screen if the surrounding equipment is not tranparent. Maybe if it was off-axis it would be more useful.

    Still, this does sound like promising technology.

    1. Re:Transparent? Not really by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure, but you lose your depth perception. Not sure that'd be a Good Thing for people driving or using heavy machinery. The whole point of augmented vision is that you don't lose anything, you just add to what you would ordinarily see.

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    2. Re:Transparent? Not really by Pentagram · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OK, fine, but how come I can barely see the guy's right eye in the picture [nwsource.com]? There's not much point in a transparent screen if the surrounding equipment is not tranparent. Maybe if it was off-axis it would be more useful.

      Hmm. Couldn't you have a camera on the front of the device and project the field of view the device is obscuring onto the retina, making it invisible?

  3. I tried it at ACM1... by gtada · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem that I have with their technology is that it seems to have a very narrow range of focus. Unless you're pretty still, it's out of focus. Unless there is some way to really anchor this unit to your head (like maybe some surgical implants!), I'm not really interested.

  4. risks by ethereal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sure, it's all fun and games until airport security starts ripping them off of people at the gates. Then we'll have starry-eyed cyborgs blundering into baggage racks and falling down all over the place :)

    (yes, I feel sorry for the guy who got worked over by customs, but I also find the idea of confused cyborgs running into things very funny. So sue me.)

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  5. corrective lenses? by Em+Emalb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about my contact lenses? Will they get messed up by this?

    Nothing like a piece of melting plastic in your eye to wake you up. I highly recommend it.

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  6. Burn in by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope this HUD doesn't have the same problem as old monocrhome monitors with burn-in. That would suck a lot.

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  7. Re:whoa! just hope that laser isn't hacked by JonWan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah the product safty people will make them put a warning label on it.

    "DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO LASER"

  8. I live in a very industrial town... by Ali+Jenab · · Score: 3, Troll
    And my eye doctor had a lot to say about this new development:
    Are they crazy???
    He went on to explain that everybody knows how sensitive human eyes are, until some new technology comes out that is "so cool" that everybody wants to try it. Witness retinal scanning: retina scanners have been known to damage sensitive (read: decaying 80-year-old) eyes and result in a temporary loss or blurriness of vision. He also explained that there are many subtle ways that these sorts of devices can break that would cause unspeakable damage to one's eyes. "Hiccups" in power supplies, jarring, and even everyday resistor failure could have dire consequences. My eye doctor believes that anything that interacts closely with a user's eyes should be classified as medical equipment and held to the same high, fault-tolerant standards as dialysis machines, heary defiberators, and breathing tents. And, as somebody concerned about the bodily integrity concerns involving human-computer integration, I just have to agree with him.

    /ali

    1. Re:I live in a very industrial town... by Fixer · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Generally I agree with the notion of classifying such tech as a medical device, but I would point out that there HAS to be some safe wattage level for a laser, even if that wattage is lower than the amount of ambient light reaching your eyes on a sunny day. So, as long as the laser is at or below this level, what's the big deal?

      Also, a diode laser of sufficently low power would be self-limiting in the case of regulator failure.. they tend to blow if their currents go even slightly beyond their ratings. So, take a page from the nuclear weapons designers: Build such systems with a 'weakest link' mentality.. if any portion of the circuit dies, use components of such low quality that every other one in the chain bites it as well.

      It's painful to lose a five thousand dollar device like that, but it's better than going blind, no?

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  9. Entertainment Value by pizen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Combine this with a wearable computer to project the naked bodies of porn stars over people we see every day. Now, instead of undressing the girl in marketing with my eyes I can undress her with my cyborg-eye.

    1. Re:Entertainment Value by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Combine this with a wearable computer to project the naked bodies of porn stars over people we see every day. Now, instead of undressing the girl in marketing with my eyes I can undress her with my cyborg-eye.

      Why don't you talk to her and try to undress her FOR REAL.

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  10. Retinal damage by BWJones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would be interested to see if they have performed any studies (short term/long term) on the possibility of retinal damage due to projecting lasers directly on the retina. Anyone?

    There's lots of stuff that folks are doing to their eyes these days that has no long term data on. For example, Viagra (yes, that Viagra) works because it is a phosphodiesterase inhibitor. We need phosphodiesterase for normal pigment turnover in the photoreceptors of the eyes and lots of evidence indicates photoreceptor loss in various models of phosphodiesterase genetic knock outs. Additionally, if you inhibit the phosphodiesterase of photoreceptors even short term, it leads to the build up of cyclic-GMP which results in increased Na+ permeability and continued deploarization of the photoreceptor membrane potential. The end result is that the photoreceptor no longer responds to light.

    I wonder if folks are trading impotency for blindness. By projecting lasers on retinas are we trading more information for blindness?

    On the other hand, projecting laser images onto the retina could certainly benefit those that suffer from various forms of vision loss. Perhaps by mapping out where folks have lost vision in their retinas, it may be possible to project the outside world onto the working portions of retina or magnify certain things onto retinas as well.

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    1. Re:Retinal damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Thanks for posting an informed, INSIGHTFUL comment about this technology - no mean feat here on Slashdot. I'm a neuroscience grad student - and I love it when interesting science stories make it here on Slashdot - but I HATE the inevitable idiotic posting that follows, already we have many posts with the same unthinking, knee-jerk responses:

      --Whoa! Hope this won't fry my eyes!
      --Hope someone doesn't "hack" this thing..;

      and so forth. Just because something is a laser doesn't mean it will shoot evil death rays into our eyes! Again, it's the crowd of "Boy! I can hack Perl/C/C++, that MUST mean I'm smart about non-computer science topics too!" that ruins any discussion here, by flooding the postings with crap - even the JOKE posts are repeated! Literally, EVERY retinal projection story here gets the same 100+ retinal barbecuing comments!

      Informed comments like yours give me some small measure of hope that there can be an interesting discussion about the development and effects of this research, but I'm too much of a pessimist to really believe that.

      With regards to the topic at hand - I don't see this as being great for EVERYONE - ie an elderly person with bad vision and sensitive retinas probably wouldn't want to wear this for a long time, but I see little long-term damage for normal eyes. I for one would love to try this out in a second! More tests should be done, and knowing the people that do this kind of reseach, before any real approval or public use of this tech, such studies will have to be done.

      Sincerely,
      Kevin Christie
      Neuroscience Program
      University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
      crispiewm@hotmail.com

    2. Re:Retinal damage by zmooc · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Just a thought... laserlight usually consists of one single frequency of light. So your eyes will on avg get a lot more light in that frequency... furthermore I think you can only really concentrate (i.e. read) on what's in the center of your eye so retina-projection is probably only usefull if projected there (that is: look at an object and get additional information). So the center of the eye will get a rather large dose of light in a certain frequency. I don't know if that's harmfull or not, but that's at least one thing to think about.

      Probably it's best to use multi-colored lasers which project a color which contrasts a lot with the "original" color so you won't need a lot of light to see it.

      DISCLAIMER: I'm a total moron regarding this sort of stuff.

      But imagine the possibilities of this stuff combined with face-recognition, barcode-scanners, reading stuff (you can see the sums of rows...even search paper documents for words). Hell. Just look at your bluetooth-controlled fan, shout IT'S FUCKING HOT IN HERE and it'll go to max. Look at someone's face which is in your db and see all the memos you've made about this person. Look at your clock on the wall to see a list of meetings. Look at your girlfriend...eh nevermind:> Damn. Can't wait.

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    3. Re:Retinal damage by zmooc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even better... spectral analysis so you can see what material an object consists of. Built-in compass, built-in GPS with the new 3D navigation system Intel built. Now we all need a long-distance (like 100m or so) radio device that transmits data about us which we want to be public (nickname, hetero/homo/bi/pedo/whateversexual, .plan (.plan files will offcourse be very popular to put ads in:P). Then you can put this data on the HUD above the person. Stores etc. can also use these devices and project their best offers:P And at places where you have to stand in a queue one can offer something to read as an extra service!:)

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  11. Transparent? by dimer0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Uh, I'd rather have depth perception than my stock quotes superimposed on my field of vision.. That damn thing covers that guys entire right eye!!!

  12. Need more by pizen · · Score: 4, Funny

    This needs to be able to identify what I'm looking at so that I can get more information on the subject. Things like "That tree is a Larch" or "That guy is the perfect size for kicking his ass and taking his clothes".

  13. combine this with a fast cpu and a camera by Sabalon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every person walking down the street gets rendered to your eyes as Ali Larter.

    Don't like the color or your car - write a mod so you see it as you like.

    Change fonts on signs/books/etc... as you wish with OCR.

  14. Still a ways to go... by chrism2k · · Score: 3, Informative


    An interesting technology. Long-term it looks like it has a lot of potential. But for the time being, it looks like MicroOptical (http://www.microopticalcorp.com/) is a better choice for wearables. They're less obtrusive and they can already do color. And, while they're still not cheap, they are cheaper.

    I definitely want to see power-consumption and resolution specs for Nomad, though!

    Anybody else bothered by the fact that the article kept describing this as a holographic display?

    -chrism

    1. Re:Still a ways to go... by Bullschmidt · · Score: 3, Informative

      The significance of this is not the size, price or color/mono. Its HOW it is done. This particular one shoots the image straight to the retina, versus hanging an LCD in front of the eye, which seems to be how microoptical is doing it (their website seemed a touch sparse on technical info). I believe microvision does sell the lcd style display at a much cheaper price, in color and to very high resolutions (800x600?).

      All this is more or less from memory, so I could be wrong!

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  15. Help for the blind by Kredal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article said that people who are legally blind (most likely because their eyes don't focus correctly) can see the laser image pasted on their retinas.

    Attach this device to a head-mounted camera (even a cheap web-cam would work) and you could pretty much restore vision, much like hearing aids work. I would love to see these things helping the average person, as well as professionals who need the extra edge (doctors, astronauts, etc).

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  16. Hiro Protagonist by Wire+Tap · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This device reminds me of the display Hiro uses in Neal Stephemson's "Snow Crash." No monitor, per se, but instead, a laser paints his eye with the image of the metaverse. Same idea, it seems. I like it (my 21 inch monitors are so bulky!), but I agree with an earlier post that these devices should be held under the same kind of scrutiny that medical eqipment is. The innovation is great (and it's about time!) but it _must_ be safe.

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  17. That's not how optical scanning works by Mr.+Uptime · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I used to have a TV and its vertical yoke died one day. When messing with the potentiometers in the back to try to adjust the picture back to a working state, I quickly discovered that the electron beam that scans the inside of the picture tube is extremely strong and produces a very bright spot on the screen.

    When you think about it, though, the phenomenon makes a lot of sense. The beam is as bright as (average pixel brightness) * (total pixels on the screen). If you concentrate the brightness of the entire screen on one point, that point is going to be very bright and may well be damaged.

    And that brings us to the problem here. If you burn the phosper off a little dot on your TV's picture tube, it's not the end of the world - you can just buy a new TV. But if you burn a spot in your retina, it's there forever unless you can get an eye transplant. If you used such a low-power laser or electron beam that this wouldn't happen, your picture would be too dim to see.

    Mr. Uptime

  18. Studies? by GSloop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know that several others have mentioned it, but here's a bit different take.

    We all know that when you release DNA modified foods (IE Monsanto et al) you only have to show that no one can prove it causes catestrophic damage. (I know, I'm simplifiying it alot, but that's the general standing.) Since there aren't any really well funded opponents to the technology, then it pretty much sails through. The general rule seems to be...If it's for business, we don't want to hold this up, cause it might cost someone a lot of money. If it might harm someone - well, the market will fix things...

    Which brings me to another issue - why do the "market driven" proponents hate the tort/legal system so much? When the system works right, the "market" determines what works by trial and error! So, if you're one of the unfortunate few to pick the wrong one, you're injured (loss of funds, health etc.) and others learn from your unfortunate mistake. It's the ones injured by the "market" process that need the legal system the most, and also the ones that deserve it the most too! So, if you love the market, then you really should love the legal system too. It's the only way a true market can be fair - or do you not care that those who you "learned" from are uncompensated Guinea Pigs?

    Back to the issue at hand - what serious tests are the FDA going to require for something like this? How long will the test run? I'd hate to use a product like this, and find out in ten years that my right eye was irreparably damaged, and in my later years of life I'd loose vision from that eye! I'd bet that the requirements for testing and use are quite a bit less than we'd all assume. Lastly, I'd bet that any company that releases such a device will put the manufacturer and the seller in a shell corp, to limit the liability losses. They won't hold many assets, and will pass revenue and such to the parent. 15 years from now, provided there is some problem, good luck suing the company - they just paid out huge bonuses to the execs and went out of business.

    If you think the above is poppy-cock, go do some research about the IUD Dalcon Shield. The manufacturer (who was really regulated by the FDA) got a horrible product into the market, and didn't care when it irreparably damaged many many women - many couldn't have children after their problems!

    The idea's cool and all, but the real killers are in the details. How much testing is done. Who peer reviews it. How often must they report problems to the FDA, and what problems do they have to report? These and many other details will significantly impact the safety of the device. Finally, what legal liability the company might risk, will also impact how informal they are with the testing and implimentation.

    I wouldn't be using the product myself for any period of time, until I understood the impacts of the following, and knew where the company stood.

    Cheers!

  19. These questions have probably been answered by theonomist · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...by now -- since the article they linked is dated Monday, June 18, 2001. Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick! June of last year!

    See here. It's already been on Slashdot, even.

    Yeah, the hot news is always on Slashdot, kids.

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  20. Re:whoa! just hope that laser isn't hacked by merlin_jim · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, this isn't such a big problem as you would think. First off, the laser itself is very low power... secondly, the Center for Disease and Radiological Health has guidelines for any lasers that will be accesible to the public when in use, and this includes direct eye-scanning techniques. Just a quick review:

    • Total power must be no greater than 40 uW (micro-Watts... that's .04 mW, compared to 1-5 mW laser pointers)
    • The beam must be continuous and not pulsed
    • The full exposure allowed is some awfully low value, something like .1 mW / cm2
    • If any of the scanning equipment fails (the tiny mirrors that move the laser beam back and forth across your retina), there must be a safety interlock that shuts the beam off
    • The safety interlock must be independant of the control software so a bug in the software doesn't result in a problem
    • The safety interlock must operate within 75% of the mirror settle-time. Once the mirrors stop moving, they take a discrete amount of time to settle on one point. The safety interlock must completely dampen the beam before 75% of this time goes by; if the mirrors settle in 4 picoseconds, the interlock engages in 3


    So, all in all, if they have a CDRH variance (and you have to have one to sell laser equipment), they're pretty safe. These values are all very conservative; the same regulations specify that laser pointers are not allowed to be used for commercial applications within 5 miles of an airport, because of the chance of accidently hitting and airplane and distracting the pilot. I've applied for a variance myself as a laser entertainer, and let me tell you; they're fairly complete in checking on everything... that's why most clubs don't have their laser effects anywhere near their audience... too difficult to get the equipment certified for that.

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