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Cat Recognition Algorithms?
skunkeh writes "So your cat keeps bringing dead (or half dead) animals in to your house. What do you do? Obviously, you set up a digital camera to monitor the cat door and lock her out if she has something in her mouth..."
Great application of technology! If it can recognize cats, I bet it can recognize terrorists (*groan*) But practically speaking, why not just get up and let the cat in?
If only it worked on in-laws.
wouldn't it be nice to have that much free time? =P
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You're kidding, right?
This isn't just some cobbled hack. This is really solid use of image recognition in daily life.
It's about time we started monitoring those cats. They've been doing it to us for too long....
"Ford," he said, "you're turning into a penguin. Stop it."
1. Drop the undesirable object.
2. Trigger the door.
3. Pick up undesirable object and walk through door.
So don't count the cat out yet (when it has the unwanted object)!
:^)
Ryan Fenton
A lady friend of mine had a cat who would get lonely when she went out to work. She would return to find the cat there with half a dozen of her mates lounging around and scoffing at the cat food.
She tried the magnetic collar. No good. It appears that the cat would prevent the door from closing until her friends were there. This was seen.
You could imagine in this particular situation. Drop mouse on floor, smile for camera, door unlocks and then pick up mouse and enter. I don't think this would work too well. The moggy is too likely to work it out.
Note the presentation of kills to a cats master or mistress is a sign of fealty. They are acknowledging your authority with the gift. If you don't greatfully accept the mouse/bird whatever, the cat will be bewildered!!!!!
Not how well the system works but, how long before you cat outsmarts the system.
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tcd004
have the same setup as this type of auto-locking door except have some sort of scent detecting algorithm that won't let them in if they have been:
rolling around in a dead animal carcass
eating the trash
sprayed by a skunk
decided to swim in the neighborhood swamp
If any of these 4 conditions apply, apply auto-hose and shampoo... (mini dog-wash)
I'd make millions, really
gives the cat an electric shock & pours cold water over it if it tries to come in with a dead mouse. :o)
Video Game cheats, hints a
Very cool. It seems to be pretty good at blocking other animals (skunks, etc...), but what about another cat?
If possible, they should combine the image recognition with the magnetic collar. This would allow the door to open *only* for a rodent-less Flo and not just any ol' rodent-less cat.
i thought i was a geek when i nuetered my cuecat, but this way beyond that.
i love it though, now if i only had the money for a digital camera...
Runnin' On Empty
...if CmdrTaco could set a virtual one of these up on Slashdot for JohnKatz, not letting him in if he's got a article in hand...
Then one day, when I was sick, I got up to go to the bathroom and found that they'd left me a bird. I was touched by the gesture... I thanked them heartfully -- and burried the bird.
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Then, of course, there was the day that my larger cat brought in a seagull... completely freaked my roommate out.
Or when their mother (they were born to the cat of an earlier incarnation of roommate) brought in a whole pot roast for her kittens (with the string still on). I have no idea where she got a pot roast from, but I'm sure that somebody's barbecue was inexplicably short that day.
They were eating peices off of that pot roast for the better part of a week.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
Mother cats teach their young to hunt, first by bringing dead animals to the nest, then not-quite-dead animals, and finally injured but fairly lively prey. When the youngters can dispatch a wiggling dinner, they are ready to go on a hunt. What cats are doing when they bring dead or nearly-dead animals to the house is they are trying to teach the slow-witted and lazy humans that they live with to hunt!! We just don't get it.
Never has a cat had a student more resistant to instruction.
love the irony. Here I am reading an article about facial reconition for a cat, after skimming the comments I read the slashdot quote at the bottom of the page.
"All most men really want in life is a wife, a house, two kids and a car, a cat, no maybe a dog. Ummm, scratch one of the kids and add a dog. Definitely a dog. "
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This device doesn't really punish the cat. It just keeps the less desirable animals out of the house.
I'm sure with a digital camera and a good ratter, you could go quite far....
Someone could create a web site where you can submit photos of your own moggies trophies, and assist other proud owners in their identification and interpretation of entrails.
I remember walking, zombie-like at 2am to the bathroom and been struck by the question. "Why is there a large Rat, buried up to the neck in the concrete floor?"
Then my cat came up proudly going WowWowWowrrrr!
Closer inspection reveal that the rat wasn't buried, it was just that the rest of it was missing, presumably regurgitated under my bed.
cats catch mice, thats what they do
see thats why i dont believe in having house pets
having pets are fine when you are ina cabin in the woods, but when you torture a cat or dog keeping it locked up in a house, and over feed it, then modify its behavior with gadgets like this, i just feel its wrong.
Let the cat be a cat
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But pretty neat. And the site has withstood Slashdot somehow - something that bigger sites fail on regularly.
As a scientist by heart, this is a very interesting and crafty experiment. Of course it works off the findings of Pavlov's Conditioning.
You are conditioning the cat to either (1) drop the dead animal if it wishes to come inside or (2) remain outdoors.
As a animal lover, it bothers me should this actually be put to use as a consistant system. Whether humans understand or not, animals are far more intelligent than we think. The behavior of animals is quite instinctual and what would be the circumstances if we were to change their modes of thinking. Would it be possible by to ascertain that one of the following things might happen from this experiment:
(1) Cat runs away as it instinctually cannot assert its confidence. Much comparison has been made between dogs and cats. Cats seem predestined to take a singluar, individualistic, confident role in the food chain compared to dogs that rely on a class of relationship or borg mentality. Well dogs aren't completely borg but they seek out affection more out of insecurity and reassurance than cats.
(2) cat becomes feral or wild due to lack of fealty and companionship toward owner.
Cats aren't complete loners, ya' know.
Just some thoughts to cast out for conversation.
Ciao!
Truth like surgery, may hurt, but it cures. - Han Suyin, Chinese Physician and Writer
"We consider any image to be a collection of a finite number of discrete features. This is a novel approach to images - until now they were always thought of as continuous."
That's bullshit. Breaking down images into features is what nearly everybody in image analysis and recognition does. Look at the Matrox Genesis boards, current papers, books, and so on.
further on:
"If we can fully describe an image as a discrete collection of features, we can easily solve the image recognition problem"
Err, maybe their approach works under some conditions for one instance of image -analysis- (a different problem than recognition!). It looks like they can differentiate between two cats, so they have an approach for a relatively simple recognition problem too.
If they solved either "The Image Analysis Problem" or "The Image Recognition Problem" they'd be quickly famous and wealthy. These problems are notoriously difficult to solve even under extremely well controlled conditions. Their comments about image based content retrieval requiring so many operations is likewise untrue - making it ever more efficient and accurate is a popular research area.
Maybe I'm being anal, but I know enough about the subject to know what a load of hooey the "theory" page is.
-Kevin
I'm surprised that the readership of Slashdot so easily accepts this encroachment on our personal freedoms. It starts out innocently enough, with a limited rollout of these privacy invasion systems in specific problem areas. But if we don't stand up now and demand an end to it, the freedom of cats everywhere to carry animals that they legally procured will soon be taken away.
Am I paranoid to imagine that this technology may someday be used in airports to keep cats from boarding flights while carrying small animals? Then what about bus stations? Churches? Restaurants? Hotels? Doesn't this amount to an illegal search by feline authorities? Where is the army of angry geeks to protest this behavior? Ahh, too busy bitching about Morpheus. I see where your priorities lie. Our founding fathers must be turning over in their graves.
Don't forget, the first thing Hitler did when he rose to power was to demand that all cats register their kills with the government. Perhaps you think I'm being an alarmist, but Midnight and I are going to be stockpiling dead woodchucks in my basement.
You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
Of course, kitty then wanted to eat said bat, something my parents were not fond of a couple of five year olds witnessing. So, my granddad dragged the cat away from the squealing bat, broke the bat's neck, and in the kitchen, gave the cat a nice, inch thick piece of ham steak as a reward. The bat's remains were disposed of via incinerator.
The next day, the cat appears on doorstep, yowling he wants in. We open the door, and the biggest fscking bat I have ever seen is dragged into the living room. Said bat is deposited at the foot of my granddad, while kitty trots off to the kitchen, and sits in front of the fridge door, waiting for ham steak.
So yeah, I won't be overly surprised if and when Flo figures out how to get things into the house and outwit the recognition center. Cats are tricky.
So you're actually assisting in the battle against evil when you deal harshly with cats.
FWIW, my sister's cat has almost convinced me that Ashcroft is right.
A witty saying is worth nothing - Voltaire
My friend had a problem with his neighbor cats having a competition to see who could leave their scent on the door. To stop this, he rigged up an eletric fence charger to the door. I never actually saw it, but his description was along the lines of placing two leads up on the door. The cat pee would complete the circuit, and he'd get a 1 second long shock. It's not a continual shock, just enough to make your weiner shout "ACK! WTF??".
He noticed a difference within a day, but it took about 2 weeks for the message to get across.
The fence charger is gone now, but his door is bone dry heh. (Well not really, he's in Portland, rains alot here...)
I have a feeling that if cats couldn't get through the door carrying rodents, they'd learn they can't go inside with them. I've personally witnessed cat behaviour modification hehe. My stepmom had a cat that wasn't allowed in the bedroom. So the cat wouldn't go in the bedroom, she'd avoid it. We're pretty sure, though, that she only followed that rule when everybody was home, though heh.
"Derp de derp."
So it'd be a high-end product for cats. But I know quite a few cat owners who would be estatic to be able to fork out a few hundred bucks for a cat door which would unlock only for their cat, and only if their cat wasn't bringing in any "presents."
"when you torture a cat or dog keeping it locked up in a house, and over feed it, then modify its behavior with gadgets like this, i just feel its wrong"
In the house all the time ?
Over-feeding ?
Change its life with gadgets ?
If it's good enough for me, it's good enough for the cats...
graspee
Flo: Hello, HAL; do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, Flo, I read you.
Flo: Open the kitty airlock doors, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry Flo, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Flo: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Flo: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This house is too clean for me to allow you to bring a dead animal into it.
Flo: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know you and Squirrel were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
Dave Bowman: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: Flo, although you took thorough precautions in the kitchen against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
Flo: Alright, HAL...I'll go in through the emergency airlock.
HAL: Without opposable thumbs, Flo, you're going to find that rather difficult.
Yeah, right.
Stop letting the cat out!
Miko O'Sullivan
When he was in graduate school my advisor lived in a house with several other students. Most of the people living there were environmental and population biologists (as opposed to microbiologists or biochemists) and had lots of neat animal observation stands set up around the house. One of these stands was a hummingbird feeder, which attracted a particularly rare (and endangered) breed of hummingbird. Another student there had a cat. Now the cat took to eating the hummingbirds, which didn't make the other residents in the house too happy. Several attempts were made to encourage the owner of the cat not to let the cat outside, but the owner refused. One day the owner of the cat came home to find his cat dead, most likely from poisoning.
This brings up an interesting point about cats. They have a devastating effect on indigenous wildlife. Lots of rare birds and small animals are killed by cats that are given the opportunity to go outside. This shows a tremendous amount of ignorance on the part of pet owners.
It is also dangerous for cats to roam. They are very territorial, and will fight with most other cats in the area. I had a cat once that became infected with FIV (the feline equivalent of HIV) through fighting with other neighborhood cats.
The cat recognition is a cool hack, but keeping the cats indoor would be safer and more ethical.
The middle mind speaks!
I just can't believe that a cat would figure out "the system" and know the reason it's not being let in is due to having a bird in it's mouth.
Obviously, you've never lived with a cat...
"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." -Homer Simpson
Did the cat agree to be electronically monitored? This is Big Human rearing its ugly head. It is 1984 meets Animal Farm. We need the involvment of a join task force of the EFF and SPCA.
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What parents really needs is a similar device that would work on their teenage daughters. That eeringly intelligent door-monitoring computer would work like this:
"Let's see, she's at the door, and she's holding something in her mouth. It looks like the zit-covered face of some boy who, frankly, looks and smells like he is half-dead. Access denied."
At this point, a good recognition algorithm would (a) lock the door, (b) drop four-pointed spikes on the sofa in case they break a window, (c) page dad, and (d) preload the shotgun.
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Users of intelligent cat doors are advised to place port negotiation into a manual mode after skrpt k1TTi3z have shown that malicious mouse objects can be instantiated inside your home perimeter by placing them inside a trusted feline packet and inducing an overflow condition once the trusted feline packet is inside your perimeter. The mouse object may be fragmented as mouse packet mangling is usually enabled by default.
It is recommended that vulnerable sites requiring Automated Feline Access Protocol institute Feline Packet Monitoring by using a set of scales to calculate mass checksums of all incoming and outgoing feline packets and to deny all incoming feline packets not initiated from within the home and to feline packets exhibiting significant mass checksum variation indicating the presence of an embedded mouse object.
As an added precaution, site implementing the shag-pile transport layer may wish to flush buffers of all incoming feline packets in a controlled environment such as the bathtub.
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
Once, around christmas time, one of our cats had seen us stashing presents under the tree. I was upstairs and heard my mum scream "Ginger's got a bird, come quick." Knowing full well it was my duty to get the bird off him. I came down the stairs and saw him wandering around the corner into the living room where the xmas tree was, and just caught a glimpse of something big and black in his mouth. I rushed down and through into the living room, and low and behold Ginger had deposited a 3/4 size _duck_ still alive on top of the presents under the tree. Luckily the duck wasn't too shaken so we gave Ginger lots of attention (cuddles, councilling... :) and I took the duck over to the neighbours stream and released, twas just shocked I think.