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Alternate Audio Tracks for Movies
Patrick Stein writes "DVD Tracks is a forum for the distribution
of home-brew, alternate audio tracks for movies.
Inspired by Roger Ebert's column in Yahoo!Internet Life entitled You, Too, Can Be a DVD Movie Critic, DVD Tracks puts
you behind the microphone to talk about your
favorite flicks." Cool idea, but there's only one track. (Groundhogs day?)
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This sounds like the killer app for DVD. The original and the MST3K audio track on the same disc.
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groundhog day is the only track.
:)
but it is also the most aclaimed one... and most active!
It seems to me that the movie critic industry is all cynical - or all senial. I've learned not to pay attention to reviews and criticism's just because movies that get crappy ratings always turn out ok or good, and movies with GREAT reviews most often turn out to be boring. Movie reviews from movie buffs rather than people getting paid to say what they think about how good the "acting, filming, angles" are, will be a welcome change.
to listen to this sort of thing. Except for the poster, maybe his girlfriend. (If he has one, a seemingly rare occurance here.)
i always wanted a copy of wizard of oz with dark side of the moon properly synced
Any DVD player app that can play such a custom audio track instead of the DVD audio? Playing it with a separate app seems cheezy.
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now you could put your own amusing soundtracks to films! Any funny suggestions anyone?
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Does this mean I can finally get my DVD copy of the Wizard of OZ with Dark Side of the Moon already queued up ?!?
I think it would be cool to make a version of the wizard of oz with the "Dark side of the moon" cd as background music (remember how that cd is supposed to go allong with the movie).
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Are there ways to bookmark sections in Mp3's to allow jumping to fixed locations in the track? Then you could jump to specific chapters.
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I swear, if I got up every morning to that tune on the radio, I'd drop a toaster into my bathtub, too.
I can't quite figure out how or why I'd want to do my own soundtrack for a movie. Seems there's plenty I like the sound to just fine, and those that I don't, eh... I'm not sure I'm cut out for the MST3K line of work.
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Now I do have a lot of experience with running the play-by-play from the radio instead of from the TV during sports broadcasts. :-)
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I thought about starting a similar site a few months ago, but I think in the end there will be too many bandwidth issues. I would guess the same will go for this site too. The "Groundhog Day" track is 17MB and I'm sure everything else will be pretty big too. Unless they get some kind of revenue source I think they'll have a hard time. And although this sounds like it would be a great thing for the movie industry to get behind, I'm sure they think it'll hurt their profits or infringe on their copyrights (they'll try to find a way) in some way and won't support it. A better idea might be something like Audiogalaxy (minus the spyware).
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I think it's sad that the MPAA is such a monster as to even make Roger Ebert say, both in the article as well as the sample commentary, that this *probably* doesn't violate copyrights...
...it would never occur to me that it would, but as a cynical guy, I wouldn't be surprised if the MPAA got upset with people doing this...I'm sure Mr. Ebert had a similar frame of mind when he wrote the article...
...quite a shame.
I've always thought that watching movies would be a great way to learn foreign languages. But of course not those cheesy ones that they make you watch in school. I mean real movies that you'd probably watch anyways.
Picture this:
The audio of the movie you're watching is in the foriegn language that you'd like to learn. This would help you get a feel for the pronounciation of words. The subtitles of the movie would display not only the text for the audio (the foreign language), but also your native language so that you know what's going on. This would help you also learn the spelling of words being used.
Although the technology described wouldn't exactly enable this, it's a step towards it and I think it'd be a very cool thing to have. It wouldn't be that hard for DVD companies to implement it.
It was pretty good.
This doesn't seem like that cool of a thing as far as technology goes. I mean- you certainly don't need a dvd to do this.
Just record your thoughts watching a movie and have someone kick off the audio when the video tape gets to the start of the film. I know that dvd makes it a little easier to sync up audio and video- but it certainly isn't necessary.
In fact- if you want to go w/all tape, record your commentary on a couple audio cassettes (remember to warn the viewer to pause the VCR before they have to switch tapes.) Now even the most technologically underpriveleged can enjoy custom commentary.
Maybe I'll have friends over an we will do a live 'improv' movie commentary party!
Oh yeah, we've been doing that for years already. But it will be cooler now that it is official.
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Who's going to listen to a stranger commentate in the background of a movie? I'd rather just see the movie, not hear commentary (especially not 'off-the-cuff').
I'd love to hear alternate dialogs in stupid movies. That's a game I often played with my brother, setting TV sound to zero, and inveting the whole plot of a dumb sunday night movie...
Then submit a post to Slashdot about this new sweet site with a burgeoning community... Voila! Instant eyeballs! I mean, it clearly worked for this guy. Perhaps I'll seed mine with the first 3 lines of an Office replacement app... let Slashdot take care of the rest.
"Hey and welcome to the movie. Man, this is cool. Oh hey, anyway, this is Brian Chamberlake III and we're going to watch Tank Girl together. [40 second gap]. Here come the credits. [50 second gap]. Alright...Hey Jim, get me some popcorn! [2 hour gap, end]."
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You should be able to rip the DVD to MPEG and open it in the OLD QuickTime Player 2.5. It came with editing plugins (on the cd) that let you edit tracks. The trick is that the old version lets you play with tracks and save to different formats for free -- it came out before the whole QuickTime Pro joke started. Sure the files are a few gigs, but hey, it's worth it just to have a homebrew MST3K version of "The Net"
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This is illegal, and more importantly, it is just wrong.
When you "free software/moviez/gamez" kiddies grow up, you will realize that many hard-working professionals depend on the royalties they get from the sales of DVD's. They use this money to put food on the table for their loved ones.
Software is NOT free. And Modifying DVD's is just like putting a book under your shirt and walking out the store. How many of you would do that?
Grow up.
I don't personally know whom the site proprietor, Patrick, is or anything, but for his little site's sake I really hope that this article is either regarded as disinteresting by the masses of /. or that his ISP is in for one hell of a shock...
While this IS certainly an interesting idea and possibly even worth an article on Slashdot, his content is a bit thin and I have his usual site traffic is basicly not existant....until NOW that is!!!
So anyways...Pat, if you are reading this...good luck and I hope you are being charged for bandwidth by the Mb!!! Of course, you could always take a page from this guy and ask that the Slashdot community reimburse you...
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So now you can get pr0n movies with gunfire sounds? Or the other way around... (who wants that anyways)
This is news? a web site with one MP3 on it? It's not even a alternate audio track about the movie, it's more like a directors commentary. I guess I can kiss my Karma goodbye, but has anyone else noticed Slashdot is _really_ stretching for stories lately?
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I registered fancommentaries.org after I read the artical (a long time ago). I was going to setup scoop on it, but I didn't have enough time. Oh well.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Re subtitles: They are probably already available in both languages, so all you need to do if you really want both simultaneously is to modify a DVD player to show two sets of subtitles. Not a big problem, if the source code is available.
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"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
So if I don't care what a professional critic thinks, why would I care what some loser living with his mom who can't grow facial hair and works at Blockbuster while taking classes at the Learning Annex on the side thinks about "Beautiful Mind?"
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HP Advert here on Slashdot shows a White Man playing basketball against a Black Man. White Man has the word Firewall written on his back. Black Man is cleary being repressed here. Obviously an underhanded statement that having a Firewall will keep the Black Man out of your White Neighborhood. Terrible. I am ashamed of slashdot and HP.
I hope not. It just occurs to me that this might be a "derivative work" according to the MPAA...
I think most of us rational people realize that "alternate soundtracks" are perfectly harmless if not actually helpful to the bottom line of companies whose DVDs are getting alternate tracks made for them, but I think most of us recognize just how rational the MPAA is...
If they do attack this, at least the the "squashing of free speech" aspect of their current campaigns will be more blatant (if such a thing is possible), and if they DON'T, then we'll have another legitimate reason for 'fair-use' space-shifted copies of DVD movies (to make SVCD's with the alternate soundtracks for personal use on our standalone players, of course.)
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Just what we need...people trying to learn English from what? Star Trek: TNG? Star Wars? The Matrix?!
There is no substitute for structured classes and learning the formal parts of any language. Watching movies and reading newpapers can help suplement language learning but one should never base learning around "pop culture". There are too many slangs and reagonal things to be really useful for general communication.
that's right, expect my forthcoming alternate soundtrack for the matrix on the site soon. I am replacing the cheesy euro techno trash with country.
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Aren't talking about things you like/dislike, scenes, and giving your insight into movies you watch the very thing the Fair Use clause in copyright law supposed to protect? Isn't this then the very essense of this idea?
After all the alternate audio commentaries are somewhat meaningless unless you have the video to go along with it.
I have to think... Why would I want to do this? I mean, the reason I listen to the comentary tracks on my DVD's is because they usually are done by someone who had a hand in making the movie (Actors, directors, editors, etc.) See, I want interesting behind the scenes info about that day's shot, how bad the situation was, what they were going for... things they tried to do but didn't work... etc. etc. etc.
I definitely don't want a review of the movie while I'm watching it by some schlub who has no more insight than I do. I can take care of that for myself, thank you very much.
Maybe that's just me, tho...
Jason
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I imagine the Groundhog Day commentary would go something like this:
"Hi this is Pat and welcome to my commentary on Groundhog Day. The movie stars Bill Murray..."
*five minutes later*
"Hi this is Pat and welcome to my commentary on Groundhog Day. The movie stars Bill Murray..."
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I think the only alternate movie soundtrack I'd care to listen is would be Filthy's take on it.
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Note who wrote them and what they had to say
See the movies, and then reconcile which critic(s) you most often agree with
Look for their review when you're planning how to spend your disposable income
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I've noticed some reviewers are excellent for films targeted at 18-30 year old, who are completely out of it when reviewing something like A Bugs Life. Keep tabs on where their opinions are off base and on target. Disappointingly many have forgotten what it was like to be young.
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I imagine the Groundhog Day commentary would go something like this:
"Hi this is Pat and welcome to my commentary on Groundhog Day. The movie stars Bill Murray..."
*five minutes later*
"Hi this is Pat and welcome to my commentary on Groundhog Day. The movie stars Bill Murray..." .
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One of my favorite TV shows waaay waaay back was Fractured Flickers. It took old silent movies and added a humorous sound track. Same principle as Woody Allen's "What's Up Tiger Lily?" I'd like to see this DVD track stuff applied that way. Properly done, it's hilarious.
This schema would allow The Dark Side of the Moon as an alternative soundtrack for
The Wizard of Oz.
My friends and I used to do this when we were kids. I had a friend bring over an extra VCR and a copy of Star Wars. We'd put the video feed out from the VHS my friend had to the BETA my parents had (yes we had BETA back then), and for the audio we'd use a microphone my parent owned and would rig it up to the sound in to the BETA.
;)
Then we'd just play the movie on the VHS, and record it on the BETA, and adlib voices over the top of it. Sometimes it was lame, but a lot of times it was absolutely hilarious, especially when we had a really good exchange that just came off the top of our head, and synced w/ the actors well.
Darth Vadar saying "Once you go black, you never go back" when he points and Leia and calls her a traitor has never been so funny.
I smell a lot of lawsuits here. Parody? No, that died along with irony.
This -does- make me wonder, though, if/when our friends in the MPAA would do something about this, trying to blur what defines a 'derivative work'. Look up 'The Wind Done Gone' sometime, a parody of 'Gone With the Wind' that re-tells the story from a different viewpoint. The Margaret Mitchell estate tried to sue the author, but fortunately was unsuccessful with the attempt. Still though, were truly big media to flex political muscle/money, who knows what they can do. After all, look at the DMCA and CBDTPA...
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However, I like E-bert's idea. What if you were involved in the movie, and had a particular viewpoint. I had a friend that works for Paramount, and is involved behind the scenes with Star Trek, especially the movies. And he's got stories and behind the scenes insights that would blow your mind. Watched The Wrath of Khan with him and it completely changed my impression of that movie.
Having an expert commentary about a movie based on particular subject matter would be also very worth it. My grandfather was in the first wave at Utah Beach and definitely has alot to say about Saving Pvt Ryan.
Now, if you can have a program to sync the commentary to the PC DVD player, then it'll be the killer app for PC DVD.
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There is a big conspiracy out there. Go into any DVD store or rental and see how many have soundtracks or even *subtitles* in French. I went into a few to find a film for my French girlfriend and I to watch and came out with ZERO. Plenty of less widespread language such as Finnish, but nothing for the 10th most spoken language in the world. Now I know all these films are dubbed for French cinema. It would be great if the dubbed tracks could be released so that we can watch films in many different languages.
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You can already do this with many DVDs. My brother is learning French using his Simpsons Season 1 DVD.
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In this companion story (link on same page):
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http://www.yil.com/columns/column.asp?columnist
titled: Don't Confuse Fans With Pirates
Where he blasts the record companies for how they treat their fans.
The site's featured track is for the movie Groundhog Day, which repeatedly plays a song by Sonny and Cher (stage name of Salvatore Bono and Cherilyn LaPierre), both of whom have voiced support for perpetual copyright.
If you want to watch the movies dubbed on the site without the revenue from your DVD purchases supporting the political agenda of Hollywood, then for every dollar you spend on entertainment, make a matching contribution to the Electronic Frontier Foundation. (I'm a card-carrying member myself.)
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There seems to be a lot of talk about getting DVD apps to synch external audio sources with DVDs. While this seems like a quick fix, I prefer to watch DVDs on my home theatre system.
Is there some way to use a DVD authoring package to duplicate a DVD and add an extra soundtrack stream to it? DVDs already have multiple soundtracks for commentaries, other languages and different compression formats so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to add one of your own.
Making your own soundtrack is a fun party game. When we were young, me and my brothers would have some friends over and we'd have an episode of The Smurfs on VCR. The VCR had a microphone socket and an audio overdub feature.
:)
We'd have one microphone which we'd throw around between each other, because we each played one or more specific characters. We would proceed to create a whole new story for each episode, complete with stupid humor.
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I guess I must be old school for not being into something like this. The guy basically talks about the city and says umm 4 million times. You would think that if you're releasing something on the internet that is all spoken word, that you would have at least been to a ToastMasters session at least once or twice.
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Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon has the theme song & video in two languages...
I'm not sure how, but I am sure somehow the MPAA will construe this as a violation of artists' rights and a violation of copyright and the American way.
"Hi. You obviously haven't been a long-time subscriber to Showtime since you bought this DVD. Or someone decided to play a nasty little joke on you. Since Showtime decided to show Groundhog's Day 2-3 times a day, every day, throughout 1996 and 1997, I find it hard to believe that anyone would shell out the money for the DVD. Since you don't know what you are getting, I'll shut up now."
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However, there's apparently only one track on this site - I listened to the Groundhog Day track and it's certainly not bad. The guy admits he doesn't have filler commentary for every scene on the screen and the microphone rattle in the beginning reveals a limited amount of preparation, so for what it's worth it's certainly a nice first try. I been to Punxsutawney couple times, and love Groundhog Day the Movie, so it was rather interesting to listen to the guy's comments.
I think perhaps though it was premature to feature this site on slashdot - don't you think you should have waited until there was a few more tracks on there? As it is, it looks like a thousand people are gonna download the same track - it would have made a better impression if you had let it mature a bit. All the same, it would be nice to see more things like this. It's a good and creative way to 'share' stuff without pirating. :)
The *.co.uk address gives that away.
I think North American DVDs have so many French tracks due to Canada. There are only 2 main languages in region 1. In Europe there are dozens.
In a director's commentary track the audio plays normally until the commentator speaks, then the audio "ducks" down without cutting off. What software will do this or what workarounds are there to produce a similar effect?
why not go all out and use after effects to comp yourself into movies. Finally I can do that love scene with milla jojovavich in the fifth element :)
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I'm afraid the act of replacing said copyrighted music with your own is a circumvention of the way the DVD was meant to be decoded.
What a world we live in today.
(For those who read at 1 or higher, the parent to this post said "No one will take the time to listen to this sort of thing. Except for the poster, maybe his girlfriend." Hopefully it will get bumped up soon, but AC's seldom seem to get their props under the current mod system.)
I strongly disagree with what Roger Ebert says about homebrew comentary. I like some director commentary tracks. I like it even better when a DVD comes with comentary by a very well-informed person who writes about movies for a living (such as the comentary on Criterion's edition of Seven Samurai, or the track Mr. Ebert himself did for Dark City). Listening to some of those tracks is like taking a film school seminar, with one of the nation's leading critics as your professor for the day.
That said, there is no way I'm going to spend two hours of my life listening to what the typical talk-backer from Aint-It-Cool-News has to say about his favorite flick. Why would I ever take the time to download a play-by-play breakdown of... oh, say "12 Monkeys"... when, for all I know, it was done by somebody who never saw "La Jette" (which it was based on), nor any of Gilliam's previous body of work, and spends most of the running time of the film talking about Brad Pitt's recent marriage to Jenifer Aniston and how he thought that the Bruce Willis movie "Hudson Hawk" was really underrated.
In Proverbs* it says that there is no man on Earth who you can't learn something from, but that doesn't mean that everybody's nuggets of wisdom are worth the time to mine them.
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Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
How do you know? She's just going out to pick up her newspaper.
I can hear it on the background music, have you never seen a movie before?
Oh, that - didn't I tell you that this is the alternative soundtrack, when the bad guy appears it's in harmony with violins.
Wow, cool!
Not really.
All I hear from this discussion is about the feasability of alternate commentary tracks.
But the real issue is how something that what was really informative in the day of the laserdisc got sidetracked into a blatant PR vehicle and gratuitous self-promotion in the DVD days.
How many times can one hear: "It's such a pleasure to work with actor XXX." "Director XXX is the best around", etc, ad nauseam. How about they tell us what happenned in the shoot, what lens they used, why they chose some filmstock, why editing is a breakthrough in some movie, etc.
Really interesting commentary tracks are rare these days. Ebert did some with shot by shot analysis (Dark City, Citizen Kane). As usual, Criterion has great commentary tracks(Children of Paradise, The Rules of the Game, Seven Samurai, etc.) Some are irreverentious but still quite interesting (Kevin Smith in Mallrats). But most are just hollywood 100% pure PR approved utter crap. Hence the proposal for alternate commentary tracks...
Someone just posts the raw definition, and gets +2 Informative. Whereas THIS guy posts an EXPLANATION, covering everything the MST3K neophyte should ever need to know to be able to understand this conversation, and gets modded DOWN?
Conclusive proof that Moderators belive information should be rationed, locked away, and only ever revealed if absolutely necessary. Moderation is the Cathedral.
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Oh please tell me you have not NOT seen Groundhog Day? It's a classic. Rent it now.
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Aaron
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
I've found that I can predict which movies I will like by doing the *opposite* of Roger Ebert. If he is revolted by a movie (e.g. Blue Velvet or Fight Club) I know I will really like it. If he totally doesn't understand a movie (e.g. Velvet Goldmine which was a complex meditation on the impact of Glam Rock) the I know the movie is pretty intelligent...
Detroit minimal techno pioneer Jeff Mills did a soundtrack for Metropolis - which hasn't come out on DVD yet. Other musicians could do alternative soundtracks to their favorite movies - silent or otherwise...
there is no way I'm going to spend two hours of my life listening to
/. - a whole lot of people with nothing to do, talk about things they don't really know about!
Ummmm..... Commentary sucks == Stop Button
Why should I care to hear your commentary on Roger Ebert's article?
It's like
Rip the video..record music,foley,dialog....mix burn/upload...yeah baby.
"everyone's different....I am the same"
I think a great value adding feature would be a "Relevance Score" which would allow the end user to discern between say, the Production Designer's or Director of Photography's commentary and Joe Schmoe's commentary for a particular movie. Someone on set of the movie during production would rate a between a 5 (Production Assistant) and 10 (Producer, Director), while those not related to the production would score less.
I just added the info for Dune with "The Wall"
IMO it kicks butt over Oz/Moon combo....
Service guarantees Citizenship! Questions Guarantee GITMO.... Amerika Uber Alles!
This idea reminds me of a group that was in Sydney, Australia back in
;)
the late 1980's called Double-Take.
They would put on old movies at the cinema, but would replace the original
dialogue with their own dialogue - DUBBED LIVE in the cinema.
There were about 4 people in their group, that would sit up the back of the cinema
with microphones and do the dialogue, with ad-libs thrown in sometimes.
The movies were always old B-Grade ones that would be humorous even with the
original dialogue. e.g Sci-fi's from the 1950's
Two shows they did were:
Double-Take meets Hercules
Double-Take meets The Astro Zombies
I went to one and it was laughs from start to finish. Great stuff.
Cheers
Dave
Cool pictures of Punxsutawney.... The only one
that I don't recognize is the one shot of a
dilapidated garage door. And, I forget where
Neptune Pets is exactly (it's relatively new).
alter,
Patrick