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CBDTPA Finds A Champion In the House

pshoemaker writes: "Wired is reporting that House member Adam Schiff of Burbank is seeking a co-sponsor for his House version of Hollings' CBDTPA. His 'Dear Colleagues' letter lays-out the same inspired thinking: that without copy protection there can be no broadband entertainment." Another reader suggests: "Be sure to also check out who's been paying him just so you know who it is he's representing..."

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  1. This sounds bad... by pro-mpd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps it is time to start sending dt-mail. If they already have people in both houses, count the days of freedom...

  2. Entertainment by cheetham · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does downloading porn and watching people's webcams count as entertainment? ;-)

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    1. Re:Entertainment by jafac · · Score: 2

      that's like asking: "Does whiskey count as beer?"

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  3. Burbank? Go figure... by happyclam · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Our nation's creative enterprises have been hesitant to offer their products over the Internet out of fear of piracy...

    Oh, so THAT's why every single new movie release has its own full multimedia web site to promote it.

    And here I thought they were hesitant because the uneducated are typically afraid of what they don't understand.

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  4. I've already written... by Corvaith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...to my representatives on this one. Long, detailed letters, in fact. I encourage everyone else to do the same. Make sure that they're well and fully aware of how their own constituents feel on the issue.

  5. Write in... by NecroPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Send a letter to the editor of your local papers, letting them know how bad this bill is.

    I did, and they actually printed it. Of course, I have the (mis)fortune to be in South Carolina, the state that Hollings represents. And I would gladly help un-elect him, if I wasn't moving to California in two weeks...

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    1. Re:Write in... by HiThere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well in California you can help unelect Feinstein. I wrote in a protest and got back a letter saying how important copy protection was. May she d**p d**d of a f**l disease.

      You fill in the blanks, and the worse your guesses the closer you will be to my wishes.

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    2. Re:Write in... by sulli · · Score: 2
      She's up in 2006. I'm with you all the way. Too bad we don't have a recall provision for senators.

      Dianne makes me ashamed to be a Californian.

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  6. From Burbank? by Karma+Sink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this really a surprise, then?

    Most of the time, I'm against representatives doing things like this, but I think he's one of the rare few who can claim he's representing his constituents...

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    1. Re:From Burbank? by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sure, he can claim it more easily than most other representatives, but that doesn't make it true.

      Schiff represents not just Burbank, but also Glendale and Pasadena, huge technology areas. I wouldn't be surprised if he has ten times as many constituents who work in the tech industry, than who work in the entertainment industry.

      Can we fight fire with fire? I think it's time that tech businesses in his district started giving Adam some big donations, too.

    2. Re:From Burbank? by Alsee · · Score: 2

      Can we fight fire with fire? I think it's time that tech businesses in his district started giving Adam some big donations, too.

      No, you give the big donations to anyone who runs against him.

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  7. Adam Schiff? by TheGreenLantern · · Score: 4, Funny

    NO!!!! Why Adam Schiff, why? I know times have probably been tough since you lost your job as DA of New York City, but please don't sell out to the Hollywood lobby!

    Quick, someone get Ben Stone and Jack McCoy on the phone and tell them to talk some sense into the old man.

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  8. Is is just me... by Raetsel · · Score: 2

    ...or has anyone else found it amusing that his name is Adam Schiff?

    The same name as the District Attorney character on Law & Order, (a few seasons removed)?

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  9. Act NOW! by Hemos+(editor) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't email, don't write -- FAX!

    Go to this site: http://www.digitalconsumer.org/cbdtpa/cbdtpa-inf.h tml and fill out the brief form.

    It includes a sample letter that you can editor accordingly and then it will automatically fax it to your government representatives, encouraging them to act against this bill (and potential law!).

    I Personally Recommend monolinux

  10. No Surprise... by Boulder+Geek · · Score: 2

    Burbank is home to Der Mouse. He isn't just dependant on Disney for money, but for votes.

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    1. Re:No Surprise... by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can cartoons vote in California? It might explain some things...

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  11. Your sig is quite appropriate: by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost. --Thomas Jefferson "

    Did you choose that just for this story?

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    1. Re:Your sig is quite appropriate: by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      1st amendment rights, those are just for journalists, right? Well, now that McCain Feingold is passed...

  12. Full text of open letter: by xtermz · · Score: 4, Informative

    For anybody to lazy (or paranoid) to click on the link:

    March 27, 2002

    Promote Consumer Use of Broadband and Prevent Digital Piracy!

    Dear Colleague

    I invite you to join me in supporting legislation that would
    encourage demand for broadband Internet service and protect
    creative enterprise from the threat of digital piracy.

    The promise of the Internet has not been fully met. While
    consumers have unprecedented access to information resources
    on the web, there is still a demand for more. Congress has
    recently debated ways to better serve our constituents by
    improving access to broadband Internet service, yet the demand
    for this technology is severely lacking. This is simply
    because consumers can't get what they want -- high quality
    digital content like movies, music, and video games.

    The reason for this has become very clear. Our nation's
    creative enterprises have been hesitant to offer their
    products over the Internet out of fear of piracy --
    intellectual theft. And their concerns are justified. The
    movie studios estimate that they lose over $3 billion annually
    to piracy, yet private industry has stalled in developing
    technology to prevent this illegal activity.

    I would like to direct your attention to the following op-ed
    written by Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of Disney.
    Mr. Eisner points out the profound historical significance of
    intellectual property rights and draws on one early and
    aggressive advocate of protecting such property rights, the
    16th President of the United States, Abraham Lincoln.

    I plan to introduce legislation that would safeguard digital
    content by spurring the rapid development of copyright
    protection technology. Similar legislation, S. 2048, has been
    introduced in the Senate by Senators Hollings, Stevens,
    Inouye, Breaux, Nelson and Feinstein. I believe this is a
    necessary step and I encourage you to join me in this effort.

    If you have any questions or would like to become an original
    cosponsor, please contact me or Jen Briggs of my staff at
    5-4176.

    Sincerely,
    Adam B. Schiff
    Member of Congress

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    1. Re:Full text of open letter: by xtermz · · Score: 2

      You know what scares me...is congress...being...well...congress.. is going to layer on the regulations so thick, that they wont even realize that they are putting many business's who dont have a large R&D budget, but decent products, out of business... I wonder how many technical advisors are really helping these legislators with the requirements. Are we just talking about congressmen thinking they can pass a law that will automatically fix everything? I honestly dont think they know (or care) about the ramifications this law will have on the technology market...

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  13. the problem with the CBDTPA by Husaria · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if it does pass, expect a mass exodus of EEs, CEs and CS from this country, and whatever tech boom is occuring or about to occur, will slip. No self-respecting computer engineer or coder will not permit himself/herself to be in a place where they will not be able to innovate, as this law will discourage it and destroy it

    1. Re:the problem with the CBDTPA by Dorf_of_Eleven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it's possible. Something similar happened to the Canadian aeronautic industry after the Avro Arrow was cancelled... in that situation, it was mostly about the lure of US money, but people tend to go where the work is... if big tech companies pull out of the US because of oppressive conditions, will their workers follow, or drop their pants for food on street corners?

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    2. Re:the problem with the CBDTPA by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      if it does pass, expect a mass exodus of EEs, CEs and CS from this country, and whatever tech boom is occuring or about to occur, will slip.
      Here is what I posted to the US Senate commitee on the judiciary's comment page.

      Gentlemen,

      I am a computer professionnal, being active in the field of software development and IT administration since 1979. Although I am not an American citizen, I would like to comment on the CBDPTA being studied by your committee.
      This innovative bill, by crippling the ability of the U.S. computer industry to freely introduce innovative technology, will tremenduously favourize the (rest of the) world computer industry. Imposing limits on computer systems that would be illegal in many countries is a sure way to insure that the rest of the world computer industry will finally catch-up and leave in the dust the U.S. computer industry.
      The other 95% of the world will be eternally grateful to the (comparatively) minuscule Hollywood movie industry for having the much bigger U.S. computer industry ground to a halt by having to spend a significant portion of their ressources just to comply with the CBDPTA.
      Most other industries (those who use computers) will also benefit, as their U.S. counterparts will be hindered by less performing computers that are hobbled both in cost and performance by their expensive content monitoring "features", thus making them less efficient than their unencumbered foreign counterparts.
      Another foreign industry that shall benefit will undoubtely the illegal drug industry, as it will be easier to ship illegal drugs to the United States as the U.S. Customs service will undoubtely be very busy searching for illegal computer contraband.
      Please do consider the passage of this Act, as the world's computer industry needs a reprieve from the very active U.S. computer industry.

      Thank-you.

  14. Ok now this is beginning to piss me off by HanzoSan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every day, they seem to be pushing this more and more.

    People if you are going to stop this you better act FAST!!! we DONT have much time.

    I listed ways to stop this in a previous slashdot post

    Its time to take action, meaning schedule a mass protest, not a petition, but protests, on many college campus's, highschools, and online.

    If this law passes we are fucked, open source will be killed, the internet will be practically killed, broadband wont be adopted, and neither will digital tv, people will be busy using VCRs, and busy on their 56k to check their email since besides trading files theres no reason to ever upgrade to broadband.

    Previous post on slashdot, FOLLOW DIRECTIONS!


    INFORM --- Tell the public what the SSSCA is!

    Explain ---- Tell the public whats wrong with the SSSCA

    Results ---- Tell them what will happen if the SSSCA passes, and what kinda society it will lead to if the trend continues

    Solution ---- Tell them how to stop the SSSCA, tell them a msg similar to what I'm telling you, explain to them not to just stop the SSSCA, but to promote absolute freedom of speech online, meaning no one can control what you do with your computer, if the RIAA and MPAA does not want us to pirate stuff, they should make it impossible to pirate or undesirable to do so, if this means lowering the price so its not worth buying a CD or DVD burner, or if this means locking the DVD up, they have options, what they shouldnt do is take away our freedoms, its like saying you cant use your hands to draw a copy of a picture you like.

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    1. Re:Ok now this is beginning to piss me off by bughunter · · Score: 2
      You're pissed?

      I live in his district, and I sent him a nice, polite, rational letter...

      And now this.

      Of course, on KPCC's "Call Sheet" - a short entertainment industry news/talk program aired during All Things Considered on the Pasadena affiliate, the host called the CBDTPA "dead on arrival." But one of the panelists put a real spin on the bill:

      Alex Ben Block of the Hollywood Star News characterized Hollings as being impatient with the content owners for not coming up with a protection standard. So Hollings wrote this bill to "motivate" the content owners to come up with a workable protection scheme. I wanted to reach though the radio and smack him so hard he spun the other way. Then the host made the DOA comment, to my relief.

      So, in addition to mailing your US Rep, send a copy to the Hollywood Star News, care of Alex Ben Block, and to KPCC. I'd provide a link to the Hollywood Star News contact page, but I can't find any mention of the rag, not even here, here, or even here. So be sure and mention Mr. Block in your correspondance to KPCC.

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    2. Re:Ok now this is beginning to piss me off by bughunter · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Now that I think about KPCC some more, it's probably best to send them a dedicated letter pointing out how this bill is being spun so far to the left that they're hiding the fact that this law will kill the technology market.

      Even if you don't live in SoCal, write to KPCC, because that's the station that most of the entertainment idustry gets their NPR dosage from, and NPR is good at exploring stories that get whitewashed in the commercial media. The other major NPR station in the area is KCRW in Santa Monica.

      Write specifically to Air Talk , Larry Mantle's two hour issue-oriented program. It's a popular show, Larry is very interested in big stories that get ignored, and he seems very open minded, although he is by no means terse...

      Of course, you can also write to your local NPR affiliate, too.

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    3. Re:Ok now this is beginning to piss me off by Steve+B · · Score: 2

      Make sure to refer to its current name, and reference it as "the renamed SSSCA" to cue them in that you aren't fooled by this childish trick. (Optional: slip in something along the lines of "...renamed in an attempt to avoid the widespread hostile public reaction which greeting the original proposal...".)

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  15. Re:Copy protection by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    "Hmm, I'm being entertained by this divx'ed Matrix movie I just downloaded"

    Yeah, imagine if you had a way to pay them for it too. Too bad the MPAA doesn't provide the format we want to watch it in.

    It makes you wonder how they can claim to have lost billions of dollars in a market they haven't entered.

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  16. Re:Cheap by Archfeld · · Score: 3, Interesting

    errr he is from Burbank..the home of half the bloody movie/TV studios in existence. The amount payed to him is minor considering he does represent their district. I am from California and would happily see this guy sweeping streets but can't find fault with him accepting money from his home district. Now the "REAL" Senator from Disney, that goofy guy from Carolina, should NOT be deriving money from the movie industry at such a rate but, he has things to offer them and is in FACT being bought...

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  17. Bribery? by rootus-rootus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if the representatives who are sponsoring these bills could be charged with accepting bribes? After all the US Government is supposed to be Of the people, By the people, and FOR the people. There is NO mention of commercial eneterprises in the Constitution. Any lawyers out there have a view on this?

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  18. Yeah thats exactly how you guys stopped the DMCA, by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    Yeah and its also how you saved napster, and stopped the partriot act.

    Petitions do nothing, writing people who dont listen to you will do nothing, you have to show them you disagree, begging gets you no where

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  19. I've said it before and I'll say it again by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is it *their* Internet all of a sudden? Just downloading an ISO of Redhat 7.2 takes a miniature eternity on my gigabit backbone with 100mbits to the desktop, because that's not all *my* traffic - can you imagine the sudden and continuous drain in bandwidth when anyone in my subnet decides to turn on the tube to watch Glitter?

    Okay... bad example...

    You hear about telecomm companies putting their own special networks together all the time. The entertainment industry needs to do the same. HDTVNet (or whatever they call it) can then be tightly controlled, with high-security copy protection devices all down the line, right down to the decoder on the TV. Make them completely inaccessable to the desktop - freaked out connectors, bizzare syncing and decoding strategies, whatever. No special legislation required - just technological consistancy in their own products.

    The reasons they don't do this, of course, is two-fold. One, it would be hideously expensive (although will all that piracy suddenly gone, they'd suddenly be overflowing with revenue... right?), and two...

    Well, I can't think of anybody who would go for it. Re-purchase every bit of audio/video equipment I own just to conform to the new services? I don't think so.

    Of course, it's not like I won't have to do that in the next few years anyway... Thanks, incompatable HDTV standards!
    GMFTatsujin

  20. Let's buy our own senator by mgoyer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I propose that we buy our own senator since Hollings was bought for as little as $300,000.

    Only 60,000 of us would have to pitch in $5 to make our very own pro-digital consumer senator a reality.

    Matt

    1. Re:Let's buy our own senator by cc_pirate · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree. Let's set up a Pay Pal account for a Senator on the Judicial Committe who doesn't have his head up his A$$.

      Remember: "All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      Let's don't let this one get by like we did the DMCA.

      Does anyone else think that this bill and the people proposing it are evil incarnate?

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    2. Re:Let's buy our own senator by dimator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the fuck, man. Is this what the founding fathers had in mind? Government officials making decisions based solely on who paid them and how much? This fucking sucks.

      If public servants truly had the best interests of the people in mind, they would make decisions based on what they thought would help the most -- that's what we vote for them for anyway! They shouldn't be allowed to take a fucking dime from these damn lobbyists.

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    3. Re:Let's buy our own senator by AntiNorm · · Score: 2

      The flipside of that coin is if we give $300,005 to hollings, will he drop support for this crap bill?

      The entertainment industry would counter with another $300000. They can afford to do this, unfortunately.

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    4. Re:Let's buy our own senator by flacco · · Score: 3, Funny
      I propose that we buy our own senator since Hollings [senate.gov] was bought for as little as $300,000 [opensecrets.org].

      God, you are so paranoid. Everyone knows that money is simply back wages from the entertainment industry to Hollings for doing the voice of Foghorn Leghorn for all those years.

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    5. Re:Let's buy our own senator by istartedi · · Score: 2

      I realize this is a joke, but if you can get statehood for DC, then you would create two senators. The tricky part is that they would both be Democrats because DC is majority Democrat. The Hollywood folks would be on them like bees on honey.

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    6. Re:Let's buy our own senator by Nerant · · Score: 2

      Would it be possible and legal for non Americans to contribute to such a setup as well?

      I grow increasingly concerned over the state of such laws being proposed / enacted in the USA, simply because American culture and laws have become popular precedents for many other countries to follow.

      I fear that someday that such laws may take away the freedom of my fair use, and the freedom of the private sector of my country to innovate, simply because some law was passed in the USA some 30,000 miles away.

      Interesting point to note : Bush just passed the Campaign Finance Reform Act which places limits on the amount of money one can recieve during a campaign.
      Relevant hyperlinks are the Press Release and the text of the Act (in pdf form)

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    7. Re:Let's buy our own senator by joshuaos · · Score: 2

      That's a damn fine idea. I'm in for $10. Who should we buy?

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  21. Do you really think these guys believe by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Funny

    this, or are they that corrupt ?

    The 'industry' estimates it lost 3 billion...based on WHAT ?!?!?! Figures they had surgically removed from Sen. Hollins A$$ ??
    What is the basis for this absolute dollar value ??

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    1. Re:Do you really think these guys believe by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 2

      Wow, I wish I still had my mod points. That line 'based on WHAT ?!?!?! Figures they had surgically removed from Sen. Hollins A$$ ??' almost made me fall out of my chair laughing.

      It's absolutely true though that they have no real numbers and they aren't really in the digital market at all so how could they be 'losing money'? It's like me saying I lose $100k a year because I don't work in an area with a high cost of living. I suppose I'll be drafting a letter tonight to BOTH of my congressmen instead of just one.

    2. Re:Do you really think these guys believe by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, they had figures, but the Evil Content Pirates(tm) stole them.

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    3. Re:Do you really think these guys believe by spazimodo · · Score: 2

      hey, I'm using the same accounting method to get $500.00 in farm subsidies for not growing soy in my window flower boxes, so keep the fuck quiet.

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  22. I've been wondering by Viogression · · Score: 4, Funny

    So tell me... What makes more sense? The CBDTPA? or this?

    1. Re:I've been wondering by Christianfreak · · Score: 2

      That's hilarious... maybe if we got rid of Disney Cruise Line the same way it would send a clear signal to the enterainment industry that we mean business ...

      PS wish I had mods, parent deserves a +1 funny

  23. Repost of "PETITiONS NEVER WORK" by HanzoSan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will people get it through their thick skulls that petitions dont work.

    Lets look at DMCA, did petitions stop it? Hell no.

    Lets look at Napster, did petitions save Napster? Hell no.

    Why isnt marijuana legal? People have been petitioning for it by the millions for 20 years or more now.

    Face it, Petitions have never solved a thing.

    Tabacco was made Legal because people didnt obey the laws, civil disobedience by the millions, and there arent enough jails to enforce it, alcohol? Alcohol was illegal once, it took the mafia and illegal activities, corruption and control of the government through the mafia, essentially terrorism tactics to make alcohol legal.

    SSSCA, you arent going to stop this unless you fight, you dont have to be violent to fight, you can fight with your intelligence, programmers should write unstopable programs like freenet, rich people should support lobby groups on our side, people who are good writers should write books, articles, editorials, and give as much media attention as possible to this, public speakers should host rallies along with musicians at local colleges where other intelligent people are. Contact churches, libaries, civil rights groups, and convince them how important it is to protect our rights. Contact patriotic groups, anti government groups, and anarchist groups and explain to them how the government is trying to control them not just offline but online as well.

    Contact the elderly, contact teachers, and highschool students, explain to all of these groups whats going on, hang posters in front of highschools, near libraries, near sam goody and HMV, Blockbuster and other stores which tell people about the SSSCA, use clever images, such as comparing the SSSCA to Nazism, Explain how unfair it is, use images of jail and rich CEOs, show images of locks on their computer.

    If all of the people reading this did this in their towns seperately, meaning true activism on a LARGE scale, Well its simple to break it down into parts.

    INFORM --- Tell the public what the SSSCA is!

    Explain ---- Tell the public whats wrong with the SSSCA

    Results ---- Tell them what will happen if the SSSCA passes, and what kinda society it will lead to if the trend continues

    Solution ---- Tell them how to stop the SSSCA, tell them a msg similar to what I'm telling you, explain to them not to just stop the SSSCA, but to promote absolute freedom of speech online, meaning no one can control what you do with your computer, if the RIAA and MPAA does not want us to pirate stuff, they should make it impossible to pirate or undesirable to do so, if this means lowering the price so its not worth buying a CD or DVD burner, or if this means locking the DVD up, they have options, what they shouldnt do is take away our freedoms, its like saying you cant use your hands to draw a copy of a picture you like.

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    1. Re:Repost of "PETITiONS NEVER WORK" by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 2

      When will people get it through their thick skulls that petitions dont work.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't those propositions that appear in state elections every year get there because enough people signed a petition to get them on the ballot? Lots of those propositions get passed, too.

      Petitions are perfectly useful when used properly. Perhaps the ones we hear about on SlashDot aren't being done right. Perhaps electronically signing a petition which says little more than "We don't like X" doesn't cut it. But petitions in general are perfectly useful.

    2. Re:Repost of "PETITiONS NEVER WORK" by Random+Feature · · Score: 2

      Electronic petitions don't work because they can't be verified. There's not a common enough - nor accepted enough - method of non-repudiation to prove the authenticity of the "signatures" on an electronic petition so they aren't useful to move the issue through the system.

      The recent issues with ZDNet's "polls" have cast enough doubt on the validity of such things - including electronic petitions - that politicians can ignore them by simply stating "we can't prove all those people actually signed it... Now if it had been a paper petition, that would be different."

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    3. Re:Repost of "PETITiONS NEVER WORK" by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      The funny thing is that they are legally binding on contracts now, the political culture just hasn't caught up with the law.

      DB

    4. Re:Repost of "PETITiONS NEVER WORK" by mpe · · Score: 2

      * Grass-roots efforts like petitions for state ballot referenda
      * Peaceful protests and demonstrations
      * "Civil disobediance," such as staging a general strike
      * Riots and other isolated incidents of violence against officials and institutions
      * Full-scale armed warfare against the government with the explicit purpose of overthrowing or dismembering said government


      The problem with the latter is actually having it work. If a revolution fails you tend to have an even more opressive government in power. If it succedes who do you then get to govern. (If you make a popular rebel head of state you could end up with someone like Robert Mugabe...)
      In the case of the US you'd need to overthrow not just a handful of people but most of the federal government, the large state governments and the entirity of the Democratic and Republican parties.

      I feel that right now the U.S. government is strong enough now so that it would require widespread civil disobedience to significantly change its policies. Simply getting a few hundred or even a few thousand people together peacefully voicing their anger about something just isn't going to cut it any more. The way the media works now, such a demonstration will be ignored by the masses or even worse, attacked in such a way to get those who haven't made up their minds about the issue to turn against you.

      It would be fairly easy to either infiltrate such a protest with some trouble makers or even have police attack protesters then claim the protesters started it.

  24. Ok so I checked out whos paying him... by MongooseCN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TV/Movies/Music is only #4 on the list of people who are funding his campaign. That's about 1/12 of his funding. The three groups above #4 have little to nothing to do with the TV/Movies/Music group. If you want to draw conclusions from this chart I would say that the senator is doing this more because he believes in it rather than people paying him to do it.

    1. Re:Ok so I checked out whos paying him... by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't be so sure about that... maybe he hasn't gotten money yet... but if he pushes this bill through, I'll wager that the entertainment industry will be lining up to hand him checks.

      "You know, congressman, it sure would be helpful to us (wink wink) if you could sponsor this legislation. It's for the good of the country! Think of the children! We owe it to our ancestors!"

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    2. Re:Ok so I checked out whos paying him... by bigbadbuccidaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At least your opionion is informed (at a minimum you clicked on the links and read something) - But your interpretation is wrong. While its 1/12 of his funding, his funding comes from a wide variety of places, each wanting something in return, and there is not much if any overlap. You said it yourself, the 3 groups above #4 have nothing to do with TV/Movies/Music. Therefore no one group out there is contributing more money to Schiff and representing an opposing view. If one had, they would be above #4 on the list and he would be sponsoring a totally different bill and writing a totally different letter to his colleagues.

    3. Re:Ok so I checked out whos paying him... by hymie3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Keep in mind that these contributions are hard monies.

      "Play by our rules and we'll run issue ads and give tons more in soft money."

  25. Do you work for the RIAA and MPAA? by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    Every 5 minutes i see someone recommending petitions. You guys have been petitioning and NOTHING HAPPENED.

    The only purpose of a petition is to let the RIAA and MPAA along with other government officials know your real names, and who you are.
    They already know 80 million napster/kaaza/gnutella users disagree with this law, they already know the main reason people got broadband was because of these technologies.

    This is war on sharing, not war on piracy.

    And all who disagree with this law need to act, telling them you disagree is not as effective as showing them, I'm not telling you to do anything violent, or illegal, but protest in more intelligent ways, begging them not to pass the law wont get you anywhere.

    They tried to beg them not to pass the DMCA, the Patriot act, and with all these users of napster and others it didnt keep the RIAA from killing it.

    Freenet, Gnutella, and stuff like that is what saved file sharing, YOU have to ACT not write letters.

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    1. Re:Do you work for the RIAA and MPAA? by cc_pirate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No $hit nothing happens, because we haven't been sending them checks in our letters asking them not to screw us over.

      In this country you have to BUY a Senator before they give a rats a$$ about what you think.

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    2. Re:Do you work for the RIAA and MPAA? by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 2

      It's not a petition you dumbass. You fill in your identifying information so they can properly address your complaint to the appropriate Senator/Representative, then FAX IT IN on your behalf. I'm sure they keep a list, just as a petition does, but the fact that it also faxes your complaint in makes it so much easier to voice your disgust with the bill (well, that and the pre-filled letter, too).

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    3. Re:Do you work for the RIAA and MPAA? by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 2

      Invest in America, buy a Congressman!

  26. No response..... by jsimon12 · · Score: 2

    What really bothers me about this whole thing is I have written both of my Senators and my Congressman and have heard NOTHING back. I haven't even received the usual form letter one gets when you write a politician. Guess it sorta tells you who the government listens too, and I don't mean the people they represent.

    1. Re:No response..... by jsimon12 · · Score: 2

      My are from Texas, guess the Republicans don't give a rats ass about their constituants.

  27. hahahaha by HanzoSan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I dont see you guys trying to stop this.

    I dont see you all protesting in the streets on a massive scale, because thats what its going to take. Once it passes your protests wont work, it will be War on Sharing.

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    1. Re:hahahaha by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, I don't know, the online media seems to be doing a fair job. As for the old media, do you see them covering much of anything that has anything to do with computers and the Internet? Most of this stuff doesn't even show up on their radar. I think people who spend lots of time online fall into the trap of believing that the issues they read about online are also known to those who don't spend so much time online. It just isn't so.

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  28. Re:How much worse can things POSSIBLY GET? by groman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What are we to do? SERIOUSLY? Well, there's that thing... in the constitution.. you know... *cough* the second amendment *cough* you know, it's there for a reason... for cases like these...

  29. You forgot 3) by NitsujTPU · · Score: 3, Interesting

    3) Everybody thinks that their product is 10 x cooler the second it's on the Internet. They think that they are 1337 h@x0rs or something. They think that sales will go through the roof because they are a .com.

    ...perhaps they should have learned something from all of the .bombs? Yeah, but with senators in their pocket and the pocketbooks of all of their consumers to spend, they can make a bad business model work if they want to.

    Also, I don't think that setting up a network is outside of their reach, I think that most people don't seem to understand that there are networks outside of the internet, or that you could use a web site to control a tv show shown on a diff network. Oh well, so much for infrastructure.

  30. Instead of one letter, by HanzoSan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    lets flood the local news papers with letters. If Hemos is still reading this, why not post up a list of emails of news people, lets get this issue on the Oreilly factor, MSNBC, and as many highly watched shows as possible, also lets write as many news papers as possible, how about a list.

    While i dont think petitions will stop this, if you are going to petititon, do it seriously, a flood of letters to hundreds of diffrent news sites and shows may work.

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    1. Re:Instead of one letter, by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 2

      Writing to local newspapers is always a good idea because you're going to reach people who may not go online that much. Here are some lists to find them.

      A few suggestions. First, do not write the same letter to several newspapers in close proximity to each other, as they won't get published because newspapers want original letters. Second, it's best to choose papers at least somewhat local to you, as they prefer to print letters from their local readers. If what you send them looks like something you sent to 100 papers around the country, you won't get it published. And finally, don't ignore the alternative papers in your area. These guys often want more content than they have, so you stand a better chance of getting published. You might even approach them about writing a guest column.

      I'd like to challenge everyone here to spend a little less time on Slashdot and set aside that time to write at least one letter. I've already done it, and although mine didn't get published, someone read it, and they're a little more educated than before. Maybe my next one will get in. We'll see.

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  31. He doesn't understand it fully by PenguinX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From what I have read, he doesn't understand this bill fully. He's just taking it on fait that it will do what the movie companies tell him. If he actually read it and saw that it would not only be impossible to enforce, but it seems morally inexcusable from a business sense to force the technology sector to come up with methods to save content from the evils of the consumer. Then again, he may have read it and just truly agrees with the movie companies. Coming from that area in CA - I guess I could understand that. +sigh+

    But I'm preaching to the choir...

  32. Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by HanzoSan · · Score: 3, Insightful



    There were 60 million users of napster, 80 million users of fasttrack, and most likely hundreds of millions of file sharing people from hundreds of countries.

    Do you think it matters? EVEN if 90 percent of the people on the net share files, and even if 90 percent of the people who got broadband got it so they could share files, THEY DONT GIVE A DAMN

    These guys just want to pass the law because it benifits them, disney and others have bribed them with money or gifts, most likely enough money to ruin their polticial career and they obviously dont care.

    IF they cared, they wouldnt be changing the name of the bill and using weird names to make it difficult for you to protest.

    You act like this is a democracy, as if every voice counts, surprise this is a republic, if every voice counted, BUSH would not be president right now, after all he didnt win the popular vote, and he didnt really win the recount either, but the electoral college (THE JUDGE) and the system made him president.

    Its not what the people want that matters, its what the special interest groups, politciians, court system, and powerful elite whats that matter.

    The only way to get what you want, is to fight for it, asking for it wont get you anywhere.

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    1. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by Aqualung · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You act like this is a democracy, as if every voice counts, surprise this is a republic

      I hate to be a grammar nazi, but you misspelled 'plutocracy' =P

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    2. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 2

      Nice cut and paste job there, idiot.

      Now to why you're wrong. A Representative is VOTED in, just like a Senator. These people don't get voted in when they don't do their jobs or listen to their constituents. You say that those people on Napster don't matter, nor do people who have broadband-- but you're wrong. If they acted together as a group, they could easily sway the vote come election time. It's called "special interest groups", and there's groups promoting black/african-american interests, women's rights interests, pro-life interests, religious interests and so forth. Isn't it about time we had a group that was interested in protecting our freedoms? Oh wait, we DO. It's called the EFF. But they need us to act on our own behalf as well, but just in concert with them.

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    3. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Offtopic
      You act like this is a democracy, as if every voice counts, surprise this is a republic, if every voice counted, BUSH would not be president right now, after all he didnt win the popular vote, and he didnt really win the recount either, but the electoral college (THE JUDGE) and the system made him president.

      Just because you say he didn't win the recounts doesn't make it so. Under every interpretation of the vote results, Algore lost and Dubya won. Deal with it.

      Furthermore, America is not a democracy, and I for one am grateful that it isn't. Democracy is, as another /.er's sig says, two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. Our nation is a representative republic. There is a difference. Learn it, live it, love it.

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    4. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Yeah but you can't deny that the election was rigged...

      Sure it was...in Algore's favor. Why else would so many absentee ballots from military personnel have been thrown out/not counted? That Bush still won is a minor miracle.

      All the crowing one way or another about the "popular vote" is irrelevant. Not only is it constitutionally irrelevant, but with incomplete absentee-ballot counting, nobody really has a clue what the true "popular vote" count is anyway.

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    5. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      You act like this is a democracy, as if every voice counts, surprise this is a republic, if every voice counted, BUSH would not be president right now, after all he didnt win the popular vote,

      I think this would qualify as the largest red herring in the history of discourse.

    6. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      DMCA. Having a democrat for president would definately increase the chances of this bill getting passed.

      and it is for this reason that Capitol Hill should not be the only fax number being dialed. If the White House comes out against this bill, it is OVER, GONE AND DONE WITH.

      There is only one signature required to turn this bill off like a table lamp, Disney or not.

    7. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 2

      We could bribe his minister to tell him God doesn't like the act. I'd suguest we just send him a few dozen strippers, but that'd probaly piss him off.

    8. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because you say he didn't win the recounts doesn't make it so. Under every interpretation of the vote results, Algore lost and Dubya won.

      Not every possible interpretation. Bush would have lost without the electoral college votes from Florida. Considering the utter farce of the election process there Florida abstaining would have been perfectly reasonable behaviour.

      Furthermore, America is not a democracy, and I for one am grateful that it isn't. Democracy is, as another /.er's sig says, two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. Our nation is a representative republic. There is a difference. Learn it, live it, love it.

      Remember though that large corporate interests and political extremists get "first dibs" on this representation...

    9. Re:Dont you get it? THESE PEOPLE DONT CARE by bwalling · · Score: 2

      Not every possible interpretation. Bush would have lost without the electoral college votes from Florida. Considering the utter farce of the election process there Florida abstaining would have been perfectly reasonable behaviour.

      Throwing out the ballots from an entire state would be absolutely unacceptable. They would still be sorting out the lawsuits. I have a Constitutional right to have my vote counted towards an election of the President. If my State Government, or the Federal Government denied that right in any fashion, I would sue them to the point that you'd all be paying higher taxes so the government could pay me my judgment.

  33. Re:Text of the bill? by Christianfreak · · Score: 2
  34. Doesn't work by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

    My senators and rep fully support the thing.

    They *know* I can't do shit to get them reelected whereas a lot of $ will certainly help.

    1. Re:Doesn't work by Dimensio · · Score: 2

      At this point you must exploit the law. Look for possible implications that can be twisted to your advantage and exploit them mercilessly. Someone here suggested that pornographers, as copyright holders, could be considered to benefit from the proposed legislation. As such, you should get the word out that your congressmen are supporting a bill that will greatly benefit the porn industry.

    2. Re:Doesn't work by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 2

      No, you can't do anything by yourself, but you can inform others, and, as a group, you can do a lot. Have you written a letter to your local newspaper? Have you told anyone you know about this thing? Power lies in numbers.

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    3. Re:Doesn't work by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2

      Then you need to target your congresspeople for un-election. That means spreading the word, through posters, mass mailings, leaflets, whatever, that your elected representatives support or sponsored an anti-consumer, anti-free-speech law. Do it right now before the vote. Be sure to forward a leaflet to their local offices. Scare the living crap out of them. It would also help to publish their names here. We need to destroy their careers. Nothing else will sufficiently teach Congress to never again cross this line.

    4. Re:Doesn't work by Silver222 · · Score: 2
      I was one of the people who brought that up earlier. Now, we all know that there is porn on the internet. We know that porn makes money on the internet because they have adapted a business model, instead of trying to slam legislation through to protect their old ways of doing business.


      If you're talking about this bill to someone, (the more conservative and worried about kids, the better), mention that there is a ton of porn on the internet (common knowledge, even soccer moms know that), and that this bill will help porn producers ensure that their profits are protected.


      I know it's not the truth, but neither is the bullshit that comes out of Herr Franz Hollings mouth.

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    5. Re:Doesn't work by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 2

      An AC wrote:

      > Dead people can't hold public office.

      Sure they can. Why back in 2000, John Ashcroft ran against Mel Carnahan for US senator in Missouri. Mr. Carnahan died before the election, which was held anyway. Mr. Carnahan won, and his wife became our senator (how I have no idea). Don't feel too sorry for Mr. Ashcroft though, he's now the US Attorney General and head of the DoJ.

      Rumor has it that Mr. Truman, also from Missouri, will again be running for president in 2004. ;)

      > Save some money and solve the problem of tyranny (from that rep at
      > least) once and for all.

      Killing a congress person would only land you in jail and a world of grief. The people aren't the problem, the corruption in the system is. Killing any one (or dozen or more) wouldn't change anything for the better. More people would just take up their jobs, get sucked up in the system, and make more stupid laws. Waking up the real American people and getting them off their duffs to do something about it is about the only hope we have.

      The only way to wake them up about this is to let them know all about the joys of being unable to tape the Superbowl without a license. Tell them about how much fun it will be to have a charge appear on their credit card for every time they play any of the mp3s they downloaded.

      Oh, and don't forget, the absolute joy of seeing a blue screen of death in Windows (the only legal OS in the USA cause Microsoft patented the DRMOS) and rebooting to find all those licenses they paid for vanish like smoke! Just think boys and girls, it can all be yours if we passed this law. Be sure to buy all new everything, because everything you now own will be illegal!!!

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    6. Re:Doesn't work by Rakarra · · Score: 2
      Windows (the only legal OS in the USA cause Microsoft patented the DRMOS)

      Why do people repeat this nonsense? Don't you realize how rediculous a statement that is? Even Bush's "kinder and gentler" Justice Department would be all over that for anti-trust reasons, among others.

      So please: If some stupid law passes requiring DMR in the OS, Microsoft will lose any (possibly non-existant) patents concerning that.

    7. Re:Doesn't work by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 2

      Rakarra wrote:

      > Why do people repeat this nonsense? Don't you
      > realize how rediculous a statement that is?

      Ridiculous, perhaps, but true. Microsoft did patent the DRMOS, after the SSSCA first came up last fall. They clearly intend to use that patent and the law to cement their monopoly. That is just one of many reasons that stupid legislation needs to be stopped.

      > Even Bush's "kinder and gentler" Justice
      > Department would be all over that for anti-trust
      > reasons, among others.

      It isn't Bush's DoJ, it's Ashcroft's. And Ashcroft was bought, by Microsoft. Before his current post, he ran for the US senate, and was one of the candidates to receive campaign contributions from Microsoft (who paid more than Enron in the 2000 elections). Last I heard, the DoJ was speaking in defense of Microsoft in the same trial in which they are supposed to be the prosecutor!

      > So please: If some stupid law passes requiring
      > DMR in the OS, Microsoft will lose any (possibly
      > non-existant) patents concerning that.

      The patent is #6,330,670. Check http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html if you don't believe it exists.

      Even if you are right about Microsoft loosing the patent, they still have the advantage of being ahead of the competition. And what about Linux? It's advantage lies in it being open source. You can buy one CD (or download for free if you have broadband) and put it on multiple machines. Will the DRM technology be open source? If it is proprietary, does Linux loose its advantages? Will the DRM conflict with the GPL?

      The longer Linux has to wrangle over how to comply with the law, the bigger the risk will be that Microsoft will be grand-fathered in as the solution. I've done quite a bit of work with programs that have to meet federal and state regulations. Being first to submit your product for review matters big time! Being first frequently means that your competitors have to redo theirs from scratch to match how you did yours in order to be accepted. This law would work a lot like the stuff I've worked on. Patent or no, Microsoft will be first to apply. Getting the patent will only mean that the only other ones accepted will be paying Microsoft for the privilege!

      Worse yet, when it comes to granting licenses to use patented technology, Microsoft can always say "No!".

      If the so-called Department of "Justice" knew the meaning of the word, it would act to stop the using of laws and FDA regulations to gain competitive advantage. It would definitely act to break up the music and movie industry cartels that want to severely damage the much larger computer and electronic industries for their own gain.

      Nope, no Justice here. A little short on Liberty too. Just a bunch of greedy sharks!

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  35. Uh... by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    Actually, in this particularly rare case, he *IS* serving the interests of his constituents. One of them, anyways. Disney's HQ is in Burbank.

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    1. Re:Uh... by Seanasy · · Score: 2

      Problem is he's supposed to be representing people not companies. Remember, companies (in theory at least) are not constituents and can't (in theory) vote.

      And before anyone says it, I don't buy the "what's good for the business is good for the community" crap.

    2. Re:Uh... by AntiNorm · · Score: 2

      Actually, in this particularly rare case, he *IS* serving the interests of his constituents. One of them, anyways. Disney's HQ is in Burbank.

      Disney is not a voting citizen, so Disney is not a constituent of his.

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  36. Re:My Old Kentucky Sub by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 2

    Offtopic, I know, but I thought people might enjoy reading the full text of that Kentucky HR Resolution:

    A RESOLUTION encouraging the purchase and vigorous use of the USS Louisville 688 VLS Class submarine.

    WHEREAS, in the past few years the scourge of the casino riverboat has been an increasingly significant presence on the Ohio River; and

    WHEREAS, the Ohio River borders the Commonwealth of Kentucky; and

    WHEREAS, the siren song of payola issuing from the discordant calliopes of these gambling vessels has led thousands of Kentucky citizens to vast disappointment and woe; and

    WHEREAS, no good can come to the citizens of Kentucky hypnotized from the siren song issuing from these casino riverboats, the engines of which are fired by the hard-earned dollars lost from Kentucky citizens;

    NOW, THEREFORE,

    Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Kentucky:

    Section 1. The House of Representatives does hereby encourage the formation of the Kentucky Navy and subsequently immediately encourages the purchase and armament of one particularly effective submarine, namely, the USS Louisville 688 VLS Class Submarine, to patrol the portion of the Ohio River under the jurisdiction of the Commonwealth to engage and destroy any casino riverboats that the submarine may encounter.

    Section 2. The House of Representatives does hereby authorize the notification of the casino riverboat consulate of this Resolution and impending whoopin' so that they may remove their casino vessels to friendlier waters.

    Thank god someone in government has a sense of humor!

    Umm... it is humor, right???

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  37. Popular Media by drDugan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have yet to see this covered in any meaningful way in the popular media (CNN/ABC/MSNBC, etc)

    Does anyone have links to existing news coverage?

    How can we get this to be covered at all? Suggestions / links / emails?

    1. Re:Popular Media by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Try a right-wing talk show host. A few of those guys up in arms ("The Liberal media whores are out to destroy your right to use your computer!") could turn a couple of elections.

    2. Re:Popular Media by DeadMeat+(TM) · · Score: 2

      John Stossel is probably a good person to contact, since he's a libertarian with primetime TV exposure. He also is very critical of government waste and intrusion, so this is the very kind of thing he might go after.

    3. Re:Popular Media by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2

      Your attempt to frame this as a "liberal" issue will only lose support for you. Keep in mind that the most vocal critic of all this crap is a "liberal whore" as you put it. Pull your head out of your ass and look at reality man. Give the "liberal" shite a freakin' rest already. The rest of us are tired of it.

      This is flamebait, but I have to rise (or lower myself) to the occasion. Put simply, you make the typical mistake of college kids and party apparachiks: knee-jerking.

      1. I'm a bigger Liberal than you are, in all probability. I grew up (literally) in the Chicago independent movement, back when the Daley machine was just starting to crack. I grew up in environmental politics. I've marched in and sometimes organized anti-war demonstrations, defended abortion clinics, marched for and lobbied for gay rights protections, written my legislators time and time again about environmental and free speech issues, and was active in embarrassing Bob Barr when he tried to kick pagans out of the military. I've been a member of the ACLU since 1991. The only chink in my "Liberal" record is that I support the right to keep and bear arms; this is, IMO, a natural implication of Liberal thinking, despite Hollywood propoganda to the contrary.
      2. If you think my hypothetical casting of this as a liberal vice is bad, just wait until the campaign season gets really hot. Rush is going to HAMMER the Democrats with this, and the Democrats are going to have a hard time answering back. For good reason, too, since there really is no good answer for this abhomination of a bill.
      3. I did not use the phrase "Liberal Whore." This is an invention of your over-active imagination, which your under-developed logical and language comprehension faculties were unable to put in check.
      4. If the GOP uses this to destroy the careers of several Democratic Senators (Hollings, Feinstein, etc.), then good for the GOP. The Democrats have taken the Liberal left and the ACLU crowd for granted since 1988. The 2000 campaign was a warning shot; if the Democrats don't start acting according to principles, the Left will go Green. Here's a hint: it's already happening.

      In short, you're a moron. Do yourself a favor and get an education before you embarrass the Left like that again.

  38. Jack Valenti said the same crap by paulschreiber · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm sick of this "nobody wants broadband" garbage. Heck, even my mother likes having broadband to do her online banking and surf the web.

    In a letter to the Washington Post, Jack Valenti wrote:

    A recent survey revealed that 68 percent of all home computer users say they're satisfied with their normal 56K computer modem. It can download pretty much all that's on the Net, as not much (legal) material is out there that's chock full of graphics and in a consumer-friendly format to create the need for a cable modem or a digital subscriber line (DSL).

    My unpublished reply:

    Mr. Valenti's claim that "not much (legal) material is out there ... to create the need for a cable modem or a digital subscriber line (DSL)" is laughable.

    Obviously, Mr. Valenti hasn't attempted to download a 650 MB Debian Linux Install CD.

    Perhaps Adobe's After Effects video editing software is more his style. A 30-day trial version weighs in at a hefty 109 megabytes.

    To put it in perspective: downloading this would take over four and a half hours on a "normal 56K computer modem" -- if you're lucky enough to live in a neighbourhood with good phone lines. If, like most people, Mr. Valenti is stuck at 33.6 Kbps, it would take closer to eight hours to finish. That's enough time to watch Erich von Stroheim's Greed in its entirety.

    Paul

    1. Re:Jack Valenti said the same crap by drDugan · · Score: 2

      I bet Jack has broadband.

      *wink*

    2. Re:Jack Valenti said the same crap by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      Jack Valenti writes:

      > A recent survey revealed that 68 percent of all home computer users say they're satisfied with their normal 56K computer modem. It can download pretty much all that's on the Net, as not much (legal) material is out there that's chock full of graphics and in a consumer-friendly format to create the need for a cable modem or a digital subscriber line (DSL).

      Well, of course!

      The 56k users know Congress is gonna make consumer broadband useless by banning its only killer app. Why buy a fat pipe when you know that in a year, it'll be illegal to download anything useful off it? ;-)

  39. Violent is not as effective as intelligence by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    To fight this will require intelligence, make the law completely un enforceable, build freenet,

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  40. Use Bush by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've said it before, but I'll say it again here.

    USE BUSH!!!!

    Even if you don't like him, use him as a second line of defense. This abomination has to be signed to become law...

    Write (or fax) to Bush, and tell him to actively oppose this legislation, and to veto it if it gets passed.

    Use his biases against him:

    "Unwarranted intrusion of government into business"

    Supports the "Liberal" Hollywood Elite at the expense of our innovative tech sector

    He himself said that "I prefer innovation to litigation".

    Even if you don't personally believe these things, remember that he supposedly does. Use his biases to our advantage! The Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend!

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    1. Re:Use Bush by Micah · · Score: 2

      Thankfully, I think it's safe to assume that at least 1/3 of the House OR 1/3 of the Senate will oppose this. So it will not override a veto.

      I am counting on Bush to veto it personally. I can't immagine him signing something this stupid. If he does sign it, it's probably time to jump to the Constitution Party...

    2. Re:Use Bush by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      Not a chance.

      A veto means 90-95% republican support, and that guarantees at least the House. Result? Lightly singed bread on a plate.

      Game over.

  41. Re:Yeah thats exactly how you guys stopped the DMC by JordoCrouse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Petitions do nothing, writing people who dont listen to you will do nothing, you have to show them you disagree, begging gets you no where

    ** sarcasm **
    Thats right, we'll stop at nothing less than violent overthrow of the government. Or maybe we can get a few hundred of our closest friends to run for congress and win. Or maybe we can leave and start our own country. With blackjack and hookers!
    ** /sarcam **

    Or maybe those of us who are not listed in Forbes or People can attack the bill by spreading knowlege and letting our congress people know that our money and our votes will go elsewhere.

    You sir, are an dumbass....

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  42. This is the guy Hollywood elected... by Brian+Knotts · · Score: 2
    The Hollywood left put this guy in to defeat Rep. James Rogan (R), because Rogan had served as one of the House impeachment managers.

    Now, he's merely paying them back.

  43. You still dont get it. by HanzoSan · · Score: 2



    Threatening not to vote for someone who only became a politician for the money, is not going to matter.

    The Napster people did just what you are recommending, the protested, by the MILLIONS! They still are protesting now by the MILLIONS.

    Its not making a diffrence, the laws are still getting worse.

    Its going to take more than protests to stop this. We need to march at washington to stop this, and protest by the millions in front of the whitehouse.

    How many of you are ready to do it? Lets decide on a date.

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    1. Re:You still dont get it. by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We need to march at washington to stop this, and protest by the millions in front of the whitehouse.

      Where? When? Set it up! Make it happen!

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    2. Re:You still dont get it. by ichimunki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lay off the crackpipe.

      There are no Napster people protesting anything. What you are calling a protest is, in fact, illegal copying. People know it too. They don't care. Just like they don't much care about driving 65 when the road is posted 55. But they're not going to go to the polls to get these things they see as petty crimes made legal.

      Even if you *could* get the non-voting half of the nation to vote, they'd just end up voting for the lesser of two evils because they don't want the other guy to win. And in this case, they'll probably vote for putzes like Hollings, because he's a Democrat which means he is probably a feminist, pro-choice, supportive of gay rights, not fanatically pro-military, sensitive to racial issues, and says lots of nice things about spending money on schools and helping people live when they're out of work (those are just examples, real liberals aren't fooled by the Democrats, we recognize that the root of the word "liberal" is the Latin "liber", "free").

      Protest away, but you're not going to be changing the world by ranting in the streets-- you're better off communicating as directly as possible with your elected officials (and don't start at the top, start at the bottom, the people at the top do go to party events, and they do have colleagues). I doubt most Americans are going to understand this one until it's too late. These are the same people who generally support the war on drugs, because how can you possibly support drugs, unless your doctor gives them to you so that you can cope with being so unhappy about your pathetic American life.

      You really want to make a difference? Run for office yourself.

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    3. Re:You still dont get it. by cpeterso · · Score: 2


      how about tomorrow?

  44. Re:How much worse can things POSSIBLY GET? by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 2
    And I know I'm not alone.

    So if you live in the US, hook up with lots of like minded geeks, get each one to bring two friends and DO IT.

    I've written my MP on this. I visit him personally when he is in his constituency office. I've expressed my views towards the Canuck DCMA, and will express my views on CD levies when her returns from his 53 day "work break".

    Most of us here can't protest this, and if the US passes it, it's only a matter of time before Canada and the EU do as well. What do you think the protests of the 1960's were all about? Repealing the laws which diminished peoples rights after WWII.

    Don't sit there in you cubicle and wait for the hangman - get off your chair and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

    /rant

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  45. Actually by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    I will consider leaving the USA if this passes.
    If they take the only freedom i have left (freedom on my computer) then why the hell stay in the USA? A country which claims to protect freedom when it bombs afganastan, then passes fucked up laws like this? I think I'd be better of in afganastan with bin laden and the taliban.

    Well maybe not, but its not much better over here.

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    1. Re:Actually by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well let's take this in a couple parts.

      Why stay in the USA?

      The best reasons I can think of off the top of my head are--
      Having a job
      The standard of living
      The difficulty of gaining those things in a country that has anything comparable.

      That's just 3 but for many people that's enough. (Yeah, you can find exceptions- I'm talking about the majority)

      I'm not bashing other countries- but for instance let's say I think to myself "yeah- the US sucks I'm going to move to New Zealand. It looked cool in LOTR"

      Problem is I can't just pack up, and go live in New Zealand - they wont let me. Not too many industrial nations in the world are as open as the US.

      And the last part. Well I don't really need to comment on that. You obviously have no more familiarity with the 3rd world than what you've seen on T.V.

      I've lived there. You can have it.

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    2. Re:Actually by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

      why live in a country with no freedom?
      Freedom is more important than land.

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    3. Re:Actually by malkavian · · Score: 2

      Problem is I can't just pack up, and go live in New Zealand - they wont let me. Not too many industrial nations in the world are as open as the US.

      I take it by that, you mean as open to you as a US Resident.
      Trust me, it's no easy thing to move to the US from any other nation.

  46. To sum it up by or_smth · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think the words of the immortal Thinkgeek can pretty much sum up the /. reader's attitudes towards 90% of senators.

    "Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script"

  47. I already thought of that idea, problem is, by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    People are too cheap to actually do it.

    I told everyone to donate to the EFF, and to special interest groups which can support us, these groups do exsist, not to mention theres freenet and others

    Also you dont know how much money hollings has in stock, most likely in the millions, this is why hes so willing to ruin his political career.
    would you ruin yours for millions?

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  48. How do they know the movie is pirated? by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    How can they prove the people who they downloaded it from didnt actually OWN the movie?

    And if it is pirated, shouldnt they go directly to jail?

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  49. Return of the Squid. by RealityCrutch · · Score: 3, Funny

    Following on the heels of the CBDTPA or SSSCA, the vast tentacle of our great leader is set to launch the Comprehensive Tract Harassing Unclean Loathsome Hacker Underground or CTHULHU.

    Referred to as an indispensable requirement of all future digital broadcasts, especially sporting events, popular HBO series, and anything with nude girls in it, the representative from the north-eastern Massachusetts district, Nyarla Thotep(D), went on to state that, "...all cryptic (sic) messages can only be protected by this new law."

    Speaking in a private symposium on the campus of the Miskatonic University Thotep went on to say that premature revelation of encrypted messages constituted the greatest threat to our future.

    Opponents of CTHULHU point out that Thotep has long been known as a spokesman for the secretive author of the soon to be published Necronomicon, but Thotep has put off any investigation of her backers for now saying that "Soon the truth will rise from the sea drowning out the unbelievers!". When called for elaboration, Thotep refused additional comment.

  50. An extra point on the DigitalConsumer.org Letter by Lethyos · · Score: 5, Insightful
    http://www.digitalconsumer.org will fax a pre-written letter to your appropriate representative for you.

    However, it misses out on one point that I think is a valuable addition to the letter. If you are going to send a letter to your reps, please consider adding this!! Here's what I wrote...

    5. It is not the responsibility of the government to ensure profitability of obsolete business models. Times are changing and technologies are rapidly evolving. Many large industry players refuse to change their business models to adapt to a changing economy and consumer base. People want the right to create mix collections of the content they purchase, the right to create personal copies, and other various rights that are clearly fair use and do not harm producers. Media industry players feel this will dissolve their profits, and therein lies the core issue driving legislation such as the CBDTPA and DMCA. This issue is the industry's refusal to adapt to the needs and desires of consumers. Traditionally, businesses provide what the customer wants, or they fail. No business has the right to man-handle consumers as the entertainment industry has. This is especially the case when what the consumers want is not piracy as large corporations would have one believe. People want free reign to use the information they own as they see fit. Not everyone will chose to use copyrighted material for the purpose of piracy. However, these bills assume all consumers are criminals and thus violate a principal American ideal: that we are innocent until proven guilty. Large corporations should not be granted greater control over media technologies and the subsequent use of content. If they are granted more power, it will only result in more vicious tactics that will both stifle technology and choice in both American and global markets.


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  51. What if Disney uses Bush? by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    Imagine Bush on tv saying "We have to protect the security of our nation. Make no mistake about it, we will erradicate evil cyber terrorists at all costs. Protect freedom and support the war on sharing!"

    Terrorism,
    Evil,
    and Freedom, 3 words which will make all off the ignorant americans rush to stop piracy.

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  52. Oh our internet is freenet now by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    They stole the internet from us. Its not ours anymore. They robbed us like the native americans.

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  53. Gotta love the double talk. by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "This is simply because consumers can't get what they want -- high quality digital content like movies, music, and video games."

    I think the consumers that want to get movies and music get them easily.

    It is quite telling that Rep Schiff does not say the true purpose of the bill, but chooses instead to conceal it in a broadband promotion language.

  54. Re:operative term is 'Democrat Liberal' from Burba by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've said this before, and I'll say it again. This has nothing to do with party affiliation! There are Republicans backing it and Democrats opposing it. It's all about money, not politics.

    And in case anyone is wondering why this is so important, it's bacause you cannot count on one party or another to be for or against this. If you don't understand the dynamics of this, you can't fight it effectively.

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  55. How about the Supreme Court? by mangu · · Score: 2

    The way copyright law is right now, it sounds unconstitutional to me. The constitution grants to Congress the power to give to authors the exclusive rights to their writings for a limited time.

    Well, searching the Project Gutenberg site, I found the following bit of "legislation": Works first created on or after January 1, 1978 enter the public domain 70 years after the death of the author if the author is a natural person.

    If the work only enters public domain 70 years after the authors death, this means the author has an effectively unlimited right to the creation. To any "natural" person, a right that extends to the end of life is "unlimited".

    Since the whole current copyright law seems to be unconstitutional and void in the U.S.A., that complicated acronym proposal must be unconstitutional as well.

    1. Re:How about the Supreme Court? by arkanes · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I've never heard this one, but it makes some sense to me - he's correct, that any right you enjoy for the duration of your life is unlimited as far as you're concerned. And it's a reasonable argument that your hiers shouldn't profit from your work at the expense of society, as they didn't have any effect on the creation of it (social contract implicit in copyright law).

      As for old people... well, I don't know about you, but very few of the very elderly people I know careed a great deal about aquiring wealth - if they already had it, there was no point in getting more, and if they didn't it was too late. They were more interested in preparing a legacy, and a great work of art certainly is that.

      I think it's a fallacy that you need long term copyright to get people to create, anyway - in fact, it's obviously false. It's astonishingly difficult to make any real amount of money by creating art, unless you're willing to sign all those rights over to a corporation, who are the only entities that really gain from long term copyrights.

  56. hahaha by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    ok waste yourr time, i never said anything about violent overthrow of the government.

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    1. Re:hahaha by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

      you seem so Jaded, I bet you don't even vote.

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  57. Re:Yeah thats exactly how you guys stopped the DMC by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 2

    OK, let's clear one thing up here. Napster wasn't before Congress; it was before a court. It was a legal issue, plain and simple, so petitions and protests had no bearing whatsoever.

    As for the rest of your post, I suppose that you don't like this bill. So then, if you don't think petitions will work, then exactly what do you propose?

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  58. List off media contacts. by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    Everyone who wants to contact newspapers and the media, heres a list
    Media contacts

    Personally, I'd try to contact bill oreilly, because he usuallys doesnt take sides
    mailto:Oreilly@foxnews.com

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  59. Re:more socialism is the best answer! by Iguanaphobic · · Score: 2

    Let's get terms firmly right here. A socialist, in the original meaning of the word, believes that the *producer* of work is the owner. Before the Limaughettes come running, this is *not* the same as USSR-style communism

    And a capitalist, (American Style) believes that the person or organization that can con, defraud or steal the work from the producer and make it stick is the owner. Therefore the current "Democratic, Capitalist System", where a capitalist can buy all of the democracy he wants.

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  60. Civil rights movement, womens rights, gay rights, by HanzoSan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The abortion right, the gay marriage right,(the end of slavery took a complete war) the vietnam war protests,

    all of these required marching in the street, people get beat up and hosed down on national TV, and all it did was make more people join in.

    Believe me, if a few million people are in washington protesting and marching down the street people begin to notice, more people begin to march, more people begin to notice, it becomes a trend that no one can ignore.

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  61. Make it happen. by sulli · · Score: 2

    I will gladly participate. Set it up!

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  62. Thats why you march in the street by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    When enough people are marching it draws media attention, remember the protests on WTO? That was on TV and everyone knew about it.

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    1. Re:Thats why you march in the street by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're exactly right. Although the politicians like to paint anti-globalization protesters as a bunch of troublemakers, these protests seem to have started an undercurrent of dissent about the supposed benefits of globalization. Getting an issue in the media seems to get people thinking about an issue that they never even knew existed.

      What I'd like to know, and what everyone here needs to consider, is how long it was that the anti-globalization folks were discussing this on the Net before the issue went mainstream. I wasn't involved in those online discussions, so I can't say, but this is an important issue to consider. Right now, the CBDTPA isn't mainstream, not at all. Our first priority has to be to make it that way.

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    2. Re:Thats why you march in the street by packeteer · · Score: 2

      Actually it was NOT on TV... i live within a couple of minutes of Seattle and i saw with my own eyes what happened. The media showed a huge number of clips of violent vandalism and almost NONE of the HUGE amounts of PEACEFUL protests. There were THOUSANDS ans THOUSANDS of peaceful protestors. On EVERY corner you could find a TV camera and when the protestors came by nothing happened. There were huge police "escorts" around them. They didn't even film the protestors. The only place where violance happened was where there was no cops... no people at all... suddenly someone would smash something. But what DID happen was the TV cameras were SURE as HELL to catch the violence and let the marchers walk behind their backs.

      My point is that people DIDN'T know about it. It was another huge distortion. So if you do want to go and protest make ABSOLUTLY SURE that you DO NOT BE VIOLENT. The best thing possible would be a 100% peaceful protest.

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  63. Re:Yeah thats exactly how you guys stopped the DMC by HanzoSan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    instead of writing congress, try writing the media.
    Media contacts

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  64. How hard is it to pay a visit to your rep.? by silentbozo · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the interests of maintaining "closer ties to the community" (ie getting reelected), many Senators and Representatives have local offices in their home districts/states.

    How hard really is it for you to look up their number/address, and pay them a phone call/visit? When you call up, ask questions about the bill, is: "I have certain reservations about this bill", or "could you clarify what exactly this clause means, as the way I read it, it could inadvertently affect the sale of software by small businesses."

    The staffer will generally be clueless, relying on public statements by the senator/representative to phrase a reply. If no statement exists, this means you have an opening to shape that future statement, by having them take down some of your concerns to be addressed by your congresscritter.

    For example, I called an office of one of the CBDTPA co-sponsors, asked for clarification on the bill, and failing that, asked them to take down a few concerns I had. I intend to follow up on this later, maybe with another phone call, or a personal visit to the local staffer's office.

    Calling/faxing/mailing, just before a vote is pretty much useless, since they know it's a spur of the moment, inflamed by pseudo-grassroots thing - it doesn't matter for squat. However, if we get involved in the actual debate, and make our presence known then, it will be much easier to get staffers and representatives on our side, informed on the issues that we want addressed. The best way to get involved is to touch base with them, in an interactive manner, before they get swamped and start blowing people off.

  65. Digging Graves by gnovos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's sad sad sad. It's like watching somone dig his own grave, but not knowing it's for him. Broadband is the very LAST thing the Distribution Industry wants, becuase it will allow non "approved" artists an easy and quick way to compete with them. What they DO want is a huge stumblng block in the computer indistry that will slow down the adoption and progress of new technology.

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  66. Re:A sad day by AntiNorm · · Score: 2

    It speaks poorly for that loser that he can be bought out for a measly $19,000. That doesn't even pay an intern!

    So that's why interns do what they do (think Monica Lewinsky). They need more money.

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  67. Can't the RIAA/MPAA Just Die, Please Now? by Bluesee · · Score: 2

    IMHO, and this is kind of a radical idea, these guys are killing the promise that was the internet in order to preserve their antiquated revenue streams.

    I believe that the time has come to admit that pure informationally-based industries cannot trump honest technological development, and that to try to do that requires a cop at every desk and putting each and every person at risk in this country.

    I think that the AHRA (the Home Recording Act) should have been enough to satisfy even the most craven of executives.

    The fact is that their business is teetering atop an archaic foundation and it needs to fall; they are in the buggy-whip manufacturing business, and Congress oughtta tell 'em that.

    If we are to progess technologically, business needs to step out of the way here. Otherwise the net will be reduced to what it is rapidly becoming: interactive TV.

    We see it, and Congress saw the promise soon after the dawn of the internet, during the explosion when they wanted to foster its development. They should never have stopped Napster, and they should 'just say no' to the campaign contributors and let information flow freely.

    I wonder if Campaign Finance Reform will reduce this reactionary influence.

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  68. send to oreilly factor by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

    Oreilly@foxnews.com

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  69. Re:Arrest the Aide!!! by rcw-home · · Score: 2
    Did they arrest the aide for breaking copyright law

    IANAL, but people are not arrested for civil copyright infringement - the copyright holder must file a civil suit against the infringer to recover damages. A film company wouldn't sue Feinstein's aide, that's ridiculous.

    Take a careful look at the FBI warning thingy on your MPAA-compliant home videos - they don't actually say what criminal copyright infringement is, they just outline the penalties for it. You're left to assume (wrongly) that making a copy of the video or showing the video in public is criminal.

  70. Re:Yeah thats exactly how you guys stopped the DMC by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "instead of writing congress, try writing the media."

    I agree with you 100%. We're a small group here, and what we think will only count if we convert others to our side. Writing to the media is a great way to do that. In fact, I'd posted a list of newspaper directories to another post in this thread. Here they are again.

    And I'll issue my challenge again. If everyone here will walk away from Slashdot long enough to write to your local newspaper, we can start to make a difference. No, not all letters will get published. Maybe most of them won't. But someone there has to read them, and they'll be educated in the process, so they will be more familiar with the issue when they hear about it again.

    Just one letter. That's all I ask. If you want to write more, that's great, but at least write one.

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  71. Re: Eating your own dogfood... by Raetsel · · Score: 2

    • Dear Mr. Valenti;
    • Please take those same people who you claim are satisfied with a 56K modem, and have them browse apple.com/trailers. Perhaps show them how good some of these teasers look at their larger sizes and on fast connections, then ask them if 56K is "enough."

      I certainly hope that this is legal content, as it's provided courtesy, and in furtherance of, your industry!

      Furthermore, realize that the manner in which these trailers are presented desperately demands broadband. For an average user, every viewing of your content requires a connection to apple.com. Consider their advertising effect on your products... I strongly feel the ability to have a local copy of them would noticably result in greater rental and pay-per-view revenue. It would provide a rich catalog; with instantly-available local content people could realize a wider range of your industry's offerings.

      Unfortunately, current broadband speeds are not sufficient if I wish to view several trailers in a search for an entertainment selection. With further copying prevention and content protections, you are going to force people to realize that your entertainment isn't quite as entertaining as you'd like to have people believe.

      Perhaps that's not a bad thing.


    Okay, that's my two cents. Can't say I've downloaded the large Debian ISOs, but I have done Solaris 8. That was a lot of data! This audience isn't exactly in the middle of the bell curve, but I'm afraid we're part of the minority that's paying attention.

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  72. Tobacco/Civil Disobedience by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2

    Tobacco and Marijunna were both payoffs, as was most related legislation. Alcohol was probably about as unenforcible as pot is, and slavery ended because they needed something to motivate northern troops (there were also areas excluded in the emancipation proclaimation).

    Civil disobedience doesn't work. Money talks, the rest walks.

    1. Re:Tobacco/Civil Disobedience by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

      Slavery ended because slaves were running away to the north and then fighting back, becoming educated, and uncontrollable. Slavery was ended because it could no longer be enforced without a war, slaves escaped to the north, became educated, made friends with the right people, got guns, and refused to go back to the south into slavery, the option, kill all the slaves, or end slavery.

      In the north slavery was history, it wasnt helping the economy in the north either, only in the south, and it was causing alot of violence from the south to come to the north.

      Slavery ended partly because the economy didnt need it anymore, because slaves were beginning to fight back and become educated thus uncontrollable, and because it was literally destroying the country, two sides were forming, one side of poor farmer types who were pro slavery, the other more educated side which was against it.

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    2. Re:Tobacco/Civil Disobedience by HanzoSan · · Score: 2

      why are people so worried about SEEMING racist? Has jesse jackson and people like him frightened you so much that you are afraid to seem like a racist?

      You havent called anyone nigger, chink, etc or said anything racist, saying you seem a racist is like saying all right wing republicans are racist, or all people who honor the confederate flag are racist, the world is more complicated than that.

      People are more complicated, so no I do not believe you are racist, if you were racist I really doubt we'd even be having this conversation.

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  73. I need talking points! by peterdaly · · Score: 2

    I need a document/website/etc from someone what has read and really understands this bill. I would like to go to my representitives in person, and feel like I am currently not imformed enough on the issue to be able to effectivly argue my case.

    The more idiot proof stuff the better, these people don't understand technology.

    Talking points are good, with detailed information to back them up, with the common resonses the arguments will recieve, etc.

    I don't want to read through the whole bill and come up with everything if it has already been done. I'm the first to admit I can realy through a bill like this and not understand what it does or doesn't mean.

    -Pete

  74. Suggestion for anti-CBDTPA by seaan · · Score: 2
    As I've explained the problems with the CBDTPA, I've found the best way is to start with digital cameras. Only a few of my friends make music or movies, but they all take pictures. I've found some people have fuzzy support for copy protection of videos, but when you start showing what happens with photos it really drives home the CBDTPA problems. Here is how I explain it:

    The CBDTPA requires that all new devices that produce, modify, copy, or show copyrighted items have to have built-in copy protection. This includes cameras, microphones, computers, PDAs, discman, DVD players, TV, speakers, and computer monitors. In practice, this protection will be remotely administered by industry co-ops like the RIAA and MPAA; which in turn are largely controlled by companies like AOL-Time-Warner and Disney.

    Hollywood and the recording industry believe all their customers are thieves, so they want to take control over the ability to control copyrighted material from all citizens (not just their customers). That means someone at Disney, indirectly controls which pictures you can transfer from your digital camera to your computer. Further, this law means giving some recording studio mogul the ability to decide if a citizen can email copies of their own pictures to their relatives.

    They claim they need this control, because it is the only way to stop illegal copies, and that otherwise they will go out of business. Of course the movie industry made the same claims that TV and the VCR would ruin them. The music industry claimed Juke Boxes and Radio would ruin them. In all of these cases, the new technology turned out to be extremely beneficial despite the claims of disaster, and the industry would have suffered greatly in the long term if they actually got the laws they wanted.

    Now once again, the established industry is afraid of change, and is reacting by trying to use the legal system to ensure they remain in power. There are a few differences this time, congress has already given them sweeping powers through the ill-conceived 1998 Digital-Millennium-Copyright-Act (DMCA), and now the industry is trying to take these principles to the next step. The rights and freedoms of citizens are given away by congress in backroom deals and poorly written laws. When the industry could not directly eliminate some of the citizens rights they wanted to, they instead wrote the DMCA in such a way that it outlawed perfectly legal actions (legal to copy, but illegal to break the copy protection that keeps you from coping). The CBDTPA is more of the same! Don't let them get away with it, contact your senators and representatives and instruct them to not support the CBDTPA.

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    If you go back and substitute "music recordings" and "movies" instead of "pictures", the argument does not have as much impact. But the fact that almost everyone makes pictures, really helps show how extensive of a privilege grab the CBDTPA is.

  75. democracy vs republic by devphil · · Score: 2


    That's something that both amuses me (when I'm feeling cynical) and scares me (when I'm feeling serious): that American citizens think this country is a democracy.

    You said it every damn day in grade school, people:

    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands

    That word isn't in there just to make patriotic songs have a better rhythm than "the democracy" would, ya'know.

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    1. Re:democracy vs republic by devphil · · Score: 2

      Well, I did say grade school, not middle school, high school, or college. Or, heaven forfend, the workplace. :-)

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  76. Pity... by Decimal · · Score: 2

    If Bill Gates was on our side, we could all rally behind him for a Million-Geek march.

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    Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
  77. Let's Leave An Take Our Talent With Us? by Lethyos · · Score: 2

    Is it possible that geeks who are shot down by this bill could make a mass exodus to other countries?

    Would other countries, like Canada for instance, be upset that a torrent of America's most brilliant citizens were suddenly at their borders, looking for work? Could it possibly be a blessing to them? Maybe Canada and other developed nations should start offering harbor for American citizens of the intellectual contingents!

    If the American Government no longer wants highly intelligent people contributing to society, I suggest that we oblige. Why continue producing work (code) that makes America a better place when we can take our brains elsewhere?

    If the CBDTPA gets passed into law, there is no sense in fighting it. Let's follow the lead set by Alan Cox and take our brains and mountainous volumes of talent somewhere else.

    One thing that governments must work to do is please the citizens so the citizens either remain for the collective good of society, or continue to support the government.

    It appears to me that our government does not want the contributions of brilliant citizens but rather the monies of megacorporations. I'm sure that America would get along quite nicely if all the innovators in the technology field were to leave. :)

    Personally, I don't see any reason to continue feeding into this pointless system where laws are passed to the highest bidder. Why would I do work and development that the government and their corporations can use to their advantage and against me? Anyone else of this mindset?

    Canada bound?

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  78. Re:Where's the democrat bashing? by RAVasquez · · Score: 2

    Because there's at least one Democrat on our side.

    Really, there's no point in turning this into a partisan issue.

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  79. Read this if you're 6th district, VA by browser_war_pow · · Score: 2

    Goodlatte is an ardent supporter of the DMCA. We need to let him know in clear and unambiguous language that he will lose votes if he doesn't put his constituents first on this issue.

  80. Well, I finally joined the eff... by gid · · Score: 2

    Well, I finally joined the EFF, thanks to this article.

    I felt kinda guitly about having them send me a t-shirt since it's kinda wasteful, but I suppose if I wear the shirt and that gets another person interested, then it's done it's job.

    This bill simply scares the shit out of me. I really don't want to have to move to another country to avoid stupid legislation, seeing as how I've kinda grown attached to the USA. Or maybe it's time for another revolution, we haven't had one of those in nearly 226 years.

  81. Schiff's Buzzwords by Steve+B · · Score: 2
    This is simply because consumers can't get what they want -- high quality digital content like movies, music, and video games.


    Nonsense -- I can get pretty much all the movies, music, and video games I like in the mall located two blocks down the hill, and get what I can't find there by mail order.


    The fact that I can't get them online is as irrelevant as the fact that I don't have cooking recipes on my hard disk (remember when that was The Vision Of The Future[tm]?).

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  82. Who's supporting them. by famazza · · Score: 2

    Let's take a look at Sen Hollings and Schiff top supporting industries

    • Schiff
      1. Building Trade Unions - $32k
      2. Industrial Unions - $27k
      3. Lawyers/Law Firms - $25k
      4. TV/Movies/Music - $19k5
      5. Public Sector Unions - $17k
    • Hollings
      1. Lawyers/Law Firms - $1M2
      2. TV/Movies/Music - $265k
      3. Lobbyists - $177k
      4. Telephone Utilities - $149k
      5. Telecom Services & Equipment - $148k

    Take a look at these values, what do they tell you? That Sen Hollings is much more influent that Schiff? It shows that both want to go where the money is.

    Sen. Hollings is nothing but a puppet, take a look at his top 5 supporting industries:

    • #1
    • Lawyers - maybe Al Pacino was right in Devil's Advocate
      #2 Media - they are the most interested in all this shit since it was called SSSCA
      #3 Lobbyists - what we need to proof that Sen Hollings does not legislate for the citizens, but for the American lobbyists
      #4 and #5 Communication - who else? Do you have any doubt that this lobby changed SSSCA to CBDTPA?

    IMHO all these industries supporting CBDTPA should learn to adapt themselves to the new technologies avaiable, just like everybodyelse in the world do, just like every America Citizens have to do!

    This stupid law is the proof of the lazyness of the media industries. By supporting CBDTPA this hard, they are public assuming that they can't adapt themselves to the new technology. And instead of solving their problems by their own, they need to affect American's Citizens Rights in order to save their own from new upcoming companies that can overthrown them from the top of the world.

    Is this the country of oportunities?

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  83. Let's ask EFF to set up a web page... by Wolfier · · Score: 2

    Dedicated to a list of anti-consumer senators.

    Make this page well known to voters, and let them make up their minds.

  84. This really upsets me... by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know, the first time I heard comedian George Carlin say during a performance that "this country was bought and sold a long time ago", I laughed it off as no big deal; an idea from an individual trying to entertain. When the DMCA came around, I thought, "well it's ok, it'll have amendments attatched to it to ensure nothing like the original actually makes it to law". The DMCA is now used to prosecute law-abiding people now. Now we come to the CBDTPA.

    By this point, I've lost virtually all hope for the government of my great country. I've watched as my rights have been stripped away at an unbelievable rate in the last 5 years, and it leads me to believe that all we've fought for since breaking away from Brittain in the 18th century is almost gone. In the wake of Sept 11th, our privacy has been ripped away, our innermost secrets about our supposedly private lives demanded by our government. Communications are snooped, our own spies have turned their eyes and ears on us, and our government, while becoming more secretive, has simultaneously informed us all that we, as of now, are no longer allowed secrets; at least not from them.

    And now we come to the CBDTPA, formerly known as the SSSCA. Assuming this bill makes it into law without serious modifications, we will soon see the end to entertainment as we know it. But much, much worse, we will finally know for certain that our government has been purchased from us while we weren't looking - sold to a few large corporations who will, from now on, dictate when, how, why, and if (yes if) we may lead our lives.

    This sounds so outrageously apocolyptic that many reading this will have already dismissed my posting as meaningless. However, consider this for a moment - if I told you 5 years ago that you could be jailed for informing an audience of people about a security vulnerability without ever having helped to or supplied the tools to exploit that vulnerability, would you have laughed? For anyone who works in law, if I had told you 5 years ago that making a speech that was neither slanderous nor the cause of (in the words of the Supreme Court) 'clear and present danger' (such as yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre) would cause a person to be arrested, would you not have pointed out all the reasons why this could never happen in America? How about this - if I told you 10, 20, 50 years ago that a person could be arrested and jailed for nearly four years without a trial, would you have not been outraged? (Regardless of whether he was right or wrong or whatever, he is supposed to be protected under the Constitution, and therefore is supposed to have the right to a "speedy trial".)

    Now what really concerns me here is the fact that when you look at the people in Congress who are the most supportive of the CBDTPA, you find that they are the same people who receive the most money from the entertainment industry. "This makes sense" you say, but my question is simply this - when an elected official passes bills contrary to the public interest and desire to serve the ends of his campaign contributors, how is this any different than a judge taking money from a defendant in exchange for a lighter sentence? Are they not both saying, "if you give me alot of money, I will use my power in office to ensure your interests are furthered, regardless of the public interest."? In this case, the CBDTPA continues where the DMCA left off, stripping away at what has been declared by the courts to be 'fair use'. This serves only to maintain the profit margains of the entertainment industry, while forcing yet more money out of the pockets of consumers. This most certainly doesn't help more than a few people in all of South Carolina, and certainly helps almost no minorities anywhere. Yet a democratic (democrats generally champion the rights of minorities and individuals) Senator from SC has been attempting to force this bill into law, even threatening to use his position on the appropriations and budget committees to kill funding for anyone who stands in his way. Why would a democrat from SC want to throw every bit of weight he has into such an anti-individual, pro-corporation bill? Money. The entertainment industry has, year after year, been one of Senator Ernest Fritz Hollings biggest campaign contributors. This is a simple equation folks, money for laws. You give me money, I give you laws. If a group of people raised more money for Hollings' next campaign than the entertainment industry, we could get the DMCA repealed in no time and be on our way to getting whatever laws we want on the books. This, ladies and gents, is completely pathetic. Someone ought to make an Ebay user name EFHollings and start auctioning off laws in a dutch auction; as it's what he does every day.

    While this annoyed me when I first realized it, it didn't really hit me nearly so hard as when I read this latest article, and others like it, outlining the support for this bill throughout Congress. When you look at the people pushing this bill, one by one you see they're getting most if not nearly all of their money from the entertainment industry. Carlin was right, this country is being bought and sold. The worst part is, the average person is either too stupid, too ignorant, or too apathetic to see where all this is heading, and just how far it's come in the last 5 years.

    It doesn't get much better when you look elsewhere either. In the wake of the absolute horror of September 11th, I see something even worse washing up behind it. They won. That's right, I mean the terrorists; they won. What could possibly make an American who loves his country and wants to see it become the greatest unified nation in history say such a thing? Policies, laws, etc, etc, etc. It's not the war, mind you; I'm all for wiping out all who had anything to do with what happened that day or would like to see things like it happen in the future. And I'm certainly all for turning bin Laden over to the Israelies so they can have fun with him. (Our laws just don't allow the things I want to see happen to him; they on the other hand, have no problem turning his existance into the closest thing to hell on Earth any twisted imagination could possibly come up with... gotta love Israeli intelligence ;) ) No, the war is fine. The support for the war and the President has been great. But they still won, in that they managed to allow our most basic freedoms to be either taken away or put up for review.

    Who would have objected to a strip search every time you walk into the airport 5 years ago? My goodness, such an idea would have brought outrage and shock. But since September 11th, people want to feel warm and cozy and safe, and they seem to think all this new security, like this x-ray machine that allows screeners to do a virtual strip search of you. Most people seem to be under the dillusion that in 10 years it'll all be back to normal and we'll all go about like we do now. I can only hope so, but once this technology is widely available and fairly cheap, I can see everyone from government to corporations, to schools putting this in and refining it further. Personally, I'm extremely offended by the idea of any fool off the street (yes, the security personnel at airports are usually but not always lacking in the mental dept.) being able to get a pretty graphic shot of my entire body. Why? Well, invasion of privacy is the easy one. But how about this one? In this country, we work under a system that you are innocent until proven guilty. Now, in this situation, I fully understand that increased security must allow for a bit of elasticity here. In this case, feel free to xray the hell out of my luggage until my underwear bakes if it makes you happy. As for me, I'll happily go through your metal detector if it makes you happy; it'll certainly make me a little happier to see everyone else going through it. And feel free to run my name against a list of known terrorists. If something comes up funny, pull me aside and we'll have a chat. With none of this do I have a problem. Want to put armed air marshals on every flight? By all means, hell, I'll pay a little extra on my ticket if it ensures there's a couple on my plane. Just make sure they're not psychotic, stupid, incapable or unwilling to perform as needed, and not themselves terrorists. I'm sure there are many other wonderful security ideas we can come up with that don't involve Sgt Ricky and Officer Mickey staring at my unclothed body when all I want to do is go to Cali for a holiday trip.

    Other examples of this include carnivore, which was pushed up after Sept 11th, and this stuff I keep hearing about the government using trojans to extract (or possibly inject) incriminating evidence from computers of US citizens. I'm reasonably confident that my paranoid security setup will insulate me fairly well from this silly toy (I hear it could have been better coded by a 12yo) but for all the clueless users out there (5 9's of them.. ie. 99.999%) I feel it's an outrageous violation of their right to privacy and their presumed innocence. Not to mention the fact that the potential for abuse is so extreme, it boggles the mind as to how in the world this wouldn't get all FBI/CIA/NSA folks having anything to do with this arrested immediately. You can hack into my computer and plant evidence and I'll go to jail for 10+ years, but if I hack into your computers and do nothing more than type ls/dir for 6 hours over and over, I'll go to jail for 10+ years. Hmm... do as I say, not as I do?

    So in the last 5 or so years, we've seen fair use, freedom of speech, presumed innocence, privacy, and many, many other basic Constitutionally guaranteed rights disappear. And now it looks like our government officials could be spending half their time in eBay private auctions to see who gets the laws they wanted for christmas.

    I think I'll move to Holland now. Dutch people are pretty cool.

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  85. Here's the truth. by aengblom · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Yall really are geeks. If you really want to effectively get your voice heard, you need to take a hint from the Republicans (they usually do it best). "Slander" the bill! Call it bad names etc! (ie. Partial Birth Abortion). Then pound it into the public's consciousness. Don't call it CBDTPA, DMCA or. SSSCA. My eyes are glazed over and I can't imagine what regular "folks" think about names such as those.


    Conspiracy theories aside, the only way to win a seat in Congress is to get the most votes. Writing a letter shows one voter. A petition shows that many people who care enough to spend 10 seconds on an issue. Instead, Internet privacy/freedom advocates need to learn to LOBBY and to play their issues to the general public.

    Learn to go to Congress and say, hey, we can and will win this debate with the public. Don't be on the wrong side when Hollywood forces crap technology onto consumers and makes the tech industry in the U.S. go the way of Detroit in the 1980s. Come to our side now or we'll blame you when Joe Public asks why he need to pay $15 to record "Who wants to be a millionaire" on his DVD Recorder.


    BTW. Please don't think Adam Schiff supports this bill because he was paid to do so. Burbank elected him because he supports Hollywood. I mean it's really that simple. There's no scandal here.

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  86. Re:I already tried. by sconeu · · Score: 2

    Write or fax. The fax number is at whitehouse.gov. That's what I did, rather than snailmail. My theory is that they're still leery of snailmail because of anthrax, and faxes probably get mor attention the email.

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  87. Re:What gets me... by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 2

    R.D. Clark wrote:

    > So it's okay for a Senator's aide to illegally download a movie from the
    > internet, and for the Senator to show this movie to her friends
    > without any reprocussions.

    Even more amusing, at the Senate hearing held by Hollings, Eisner (president? of Disney) showed a pirated Sony movie. Presumably without permission.

    > My bet is that they are doing the same thing at home behind closed
    > doors themselves. Sometimes the blatant hypocracy just boggles the
    > mind!

    That and the blatant greed. They don't care about the law, piracy, or what is right. This is only about them milking as much money as possible out of people.

    I actually know someone like this. He runs a small technology company. He happily downloads mp3s, can't be bothered to pay for legal copies of libraries incorporated into his software, doesn't care a bit about the IP of others. When it comes to his software, patents, etc., it is a far different story. His precious IP has to have a EULA, and be copy protected, and sued over, etc. It is all about greed.

    Come on, Tok Wira, these sharks have gotta pay!
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  88. What the RIAA/MPAA fail to realize.... by JFTaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..is that the very products they peddle are NOT integral parts of our lives. Their output is something I (we ALL) can do without. I have more CDs and VHS tapes than I know what to do with, and quite frankly, I am ashamed I bought as many as I did. But what Valenti, Eisner and others fail to realize is, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THEIR "content." It's not food, water, or shelter they are providing. They should think about this before they start trying to strangle the life out of their ONLY customer base.

    I can think of plenty of things to do which don't involve movies or music. With the books I've accumulated from book clubs and second-hand shops (the "I'm gonna get to those someday" pile of books), I could read 1 book a week and probably die before I finished them all. I have enough music that I can cycle through the CDs until hell freezes over before I listen to a CD twice. *grin*

    So you see, I am certainly writing my senators, congressmen, local newspapers, and just about any person who has an interest (or even unintentional interest) in this legislation. I am not optimistic I am getting through to ANYONE , though. So, if this passes, I have my old computers, my old TV, my old VCR, my old Dreamcast, and all those "unprotected" books, CDs and classic movies. I just won't buy any more crap. So what? It's not hurting ME that I don't buy their junk.

    ...now as long as I don't break my glasses like Burgess Meredith, I'll be fine. *GRIN*

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    1. Re:What the RIAA/MPAA fail to realize.... by mpe · · Score: 2

      ..is that the very products they peddle are NOT integral parts of our lives. Their output is something I (we ALL) can do without. I have more CDs and VHS tapes than I know what to do with, and quite frankly, I am ashamed I bought as many as I did.

      Even where people do care about the content how often do they care about which RIAA or MPAA was responsible for publishing it. Where people are fans they tend to be fans of authors, singers, musicians, actors, directors, etc. e.g. If for example Fox/Columbia-Tristar/Tribune/Time-Warner-AOL/Some company no-one has ever heard of, were to have their name on "Star Trek" instead Paramount how many Star Trek fans would even notice or care?

  89. Let's help our allies' political careers by Adam+J.+Richter · · Score: 2

    A more cost effective strategy may be to promote the political careers of those who agree with us. (Granted, this is not a mutually exclusive with basically buying votes. It's just the other end of a continuum.)

    We should actively help the careers of any politician who agrees with us, even if that allegiance would only be useful if they achieve some higher office later or can trade a favor.

    Although money helps a campaign (I have contributed to EFF), money isn't necessarily the only currency. Campaign money eventually buys media and staffing. These are things which can be contributed in kind. To those sympathetic slashdotters who have time but not money and want to help: maybe you could find some college students who want to volunteer to help Rick Boucher's reelection campaign, finagle some ad banners, answer email, etc. On a larger scale, maybe you could make a web site to collect information on who is our friend, and to connect large numbers of volunteers with campaign organizations. That might be helpful enough to an election to make our support worth something in terms of election results.

  90. Will it work? by muffen · · Score: 2

    Say that this passes. What will happen? Do they honestly think that all hardware manufacturers are going to start implementing copyprotections?

    I think they will do nothing. I think that the hardware manufacturers are going to keep selling their hardware without copyprotection until they are forced to stop. At this point, I think that they will simply stop selling it in the US. If this happens, I'm sure that this law will become one of these useless laws that exists but is never followed.

    Maybe I'm a little too optimistic, but I think this law is so outrageously stupid, that it's unlikely to be followed if it passes.

  91. Re:Yeah thats exactly how you guys stopped the DMC by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

    thats why revolutionaries of the 20th century took up gurilla tactics and suicide bombing....

    Geeks get 70 Computers, all the beer they want and a hotty in heaven if they die for the casue of Geek-had

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  92. Re:Yeah thats exactly how you guys stopped the DMC by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

    Get it on the O'Reily Factor and you will be heard!!! and if Bill likes what you are saying, I people will be swayed.

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  93. Call the bastards, all of them, at once by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 2

    I propose that next wednesday, we get ourselves together, and everyone else we can find, and call EVERY elected official, federal, state, and local level, who's number we can find. Tell them how you feel, all at once. Senators and Representatives are handling the issue now, but tell the state and local folks how you feel too. Make them understand that if they want your support furthering their career it would be in their best interest to lend their voices to our cause.

    Hell, if we get enough traffic that it drops the phone system, even better.

    Wednesday, April 3rd, call the bastards, call them ALL.

  94. Who cares by drew_kime · · Score: 2

    Our nation's creative enterprises have been hesitant to offer their products over the Internet out of fear of piracy -- intellectual theft.

    So what? No really, why do you feel a burning desire to legislate a "fix" for this "problem?" If they don't want to offer their product in that format they don't have to. If they don't want their product copied, at all, ever, they are perfectly within their rights to not release it in easily copyable formats.

    Please note, though, that this is not the same as prohibiting the existance of easily copyable formats.

    For instance, they are free to only release their movies in theaters. They are free to only allow their artists to perform live concerts.

    Let's use music as the example. It used to be released on vinyl. No one copied it. It would have been too expensive. This was a good business model. Then there was tape. Although they were copyable they were so much cheaper to produce, and the copies so mush less desirable than the originals, that they still improved their bottom line. Still a good business model.

    Then came CD. Perfecly copyable, and now cheap to copy. They can produce CDs for a fraction of what cassettes cost, but charge more for them. Apparently the market will bear a higher price for the improved quality and convenience. IOW we are already paying more for those factors.

    If they really think they will lose money by releasing easily copyable product, then they have just determined that it is simply not a good business model. They are free to go back to cassette-only release.

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  95. Re:Yeah thats exactly how you guys stopped the DMC by sulli · · Score: 2

    I got a letter published in the NY Times. (scroll to the bottom) I tend to think the media are not taking this seriously (yet) - except the Mercury News which is bashing it frequently. EFF where are you?

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  96. Re:What is driving this anti-piracy effort by mpe · · Score: 2

    Basically, the advance of technology has made copyrights unenforceable. Like the automobile made the horse and buggy obsolete.

    What they are trying to protect isn't so much copyright (it would probably be possible for the US Congress to come up with a new "copyright" law which would serve the purpose outlined in the US Constitution.) It is more the paradigm of big corporate publishers. Effectivly what technology is doing is lowering the cost of recording and publishing works. To the extent that either completly new publishing companies, who don't use "legarcy media", could come into existance (who wouldn't need to create "megastars" to ensure they make money even if they have "megaflops") or the people who actually create works no longer need a third party to publish their work.

  97. CBDTPA? SSSCA? How 'bout BFPT? by haaz · · Score: 2

    This bit of unsavory legislation has changed names so many times now that I have a recommendation for its name: BFPT.

    The "PT" stands for "parlour time"... mad props to alt.music.nin for that one.

    Say, if you live in the U.S., PLEASE write or call (or both!) the officials that supposedly represent you in the U.S. Senate and House of Representative. If we all just sit here on Slashdot and bitch about it, nothing will happen. But if even 1000, 2000, 5000 of us called our representatives, that'd make a BIG difference. The more the better, so please call!

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  98. Removing senators? by Dwonis · · Score: 2

    I'm not an American, so I don't know, but do you Americans have some way of removing senators from office?

  99. Re:Unlike EU, USA does not have civil rights by red5 · · Score: 2

    Or better yet the last guy to try to make one Europe was Hitler.

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