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HP, Compaq Deal Approved
EyesWideOpen writes "The merger between Hewlett-Packard Co. and Compaq Computer Corp. (originally reported in this Slashdot story) is now official according to eWeek as well as SiliconValley.com. From the eWeek article:'Hewlett-Packard Co. today announced that it will complete its $19 billion buyout of Compaq Computer Corp. and that the merged companies will formally launch as the new HP on May 7.'For you investors out there, HP will begin trading under the new symbol HPQ on Monday." A message to the Interesting People list gives some insight into the shareholder voting procedure.
HPQ, what does that stand for, Hewlett-Paqard?
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OK, now for the Big Questions (tm) regarding this merger...
:-)
The desktop business isn't interesting. Neither are the handhelds, or the printer business.
What _IS_ interesting is the Big Iron stuff...
What happens to the PA-RISC stuff? All the HP-UX boxes? Superdome?
How about the AlphaServers? The GS160's? The Wildfire clusters?
OpenVMS?
Himalaya NonStop? Where does _that_ stuff go?
HP's got a history of taking stuff down the cul-de-sac and strangling it in favor of their own products (look up Apollo if you're curious)...
So what happens to all the great technologies that Compaq's bought over the years??
I hope they keep it alive. There's nothing (and I mean NOTHING) that clusters like OVMS. Transaction processing runs like a top on the Himalaya. SuperDome's got some neat functions too.
This is where the interesting stuff to this merger is going to be. Who cares about the desktop business?
thanks fiorina. now that you've screwed up lucent, let's screw hp. my poor friend may be out of a job as a result of this merger?
...one competitor less.
Does this also mean that Walter Hewlett will finally shut up and go away?
...we are from the government - we are here to help...
The independent vote-tabulation firm, Delaware-based IVS Associates, reported 838,401,376 shares of stock were voted in favor of the merger, 793,094,105 shares were voted against, and 13,950,651 shares abstained.
Who wants to bet that a lot of the folks who voted against the merger sell their stock?
42 - So long and thanks for all the fish.
Who really cares if two aging giants get stomped on together or seperatly? Honestly, this whole court case has been a battle between a rich boy who is living off his father's brilliance, and two CEOs who are desperatly looking for something to lift their reputations out of the duldrums. How will this affect consumers, be they corporate or home? Not one bit other than to have 1 fewer meaningless "label" to choose from.
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Kids(I'm looking at you, HP), kids(I'm looking at you, Compaq), didn't we learn anything from the AOL/Time Warner Fiasco?
I guess not.
Let's see how they're doing in a year's time.
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Maybe some people will consider smaller towns around Houston. I live in Victoria (couple hours drive South of Houston), and it is great here, but all the good computer people always move away to Houston, Austin, San Antonio or Corpus (all two hours away). Move on down here, there is plenty of work to be done!
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The merger has not been a comfortable thing from day one, and the press coverage has been very disquieting. It's clear what people like me in the company should do now - our best to make it work, regardless of anything that happened on the way. I said a long time ago that this could be excellent for Linux, and I still think so. It's going to be fun.
Thanks
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Compaq's fine consumer printing division will replace HP's struggling print division.
Compaq will dissolve their business and enterprise division, and refer all service requests to HP consumer tech support.
The new HP will announce a redesigned consumer level computer, named the Paviliario. Exciting new features to include 3 seperate proprietary motherboard connections, an LS-120 drive, and Windows ME. The Presarion business line is expected to be launched within the next few weeks.
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$19 billion for Compaq? I'll give you $10 bucks for it.
I have to say I still resent Compaq for buying Digital. They killed off all the good research and turned it into another homogenised, bland corporate. Digital used be be a great company with great products in their time. HP has made some great products in their time. I wonder how long before they become bland and homogenised, selling lowest-common denominator boxes, avoiding anything that looks like risk, imagination or anything else that used to propel the computer industry forward. Now the only ideas they have is a takeover deal (and another and another). Great! That'll keep the industry going for the decades!
I'm just glad that no-one will touch Apple with a 10-foot pole. Everyone expects them to go broke every other week. No-one in corporate land really understands what keeps Apple afloat becuase it can't be boiled down to a finacing deal. And they probably realise that the customer loyalty and brand respect they enjoy will very probably evaporate if someone tried to buy it.
Then they go and do this, it's Sure! to lay people off.
Mergers pretty much always result in layoffs, since you end up with a lot of duplicate departments (HR, marketing, sales, some of the technical groups, etc.). Sure, the resulting company is bigger so you (maybe) need more people in each of those departments, but not as many as the sum of the two pre-merger companies.
Compaq went for the deal because it was effectively a bailout for their stockholders. H-P went for the deal because...hmm, that one's tougher, which is why the vote was so close.
Nominally it was to gain Compaq's foothold in the PC market, where H-P has been losing share. Why anyone would want to pay good money for such a position in a market that is slowing and rapidly commoditizing itself is another question.
-- Alastair
I think this deal is *terrible*. Case in point: Both HP and Compaq make:
(1) Laptops (bad ones at that)
(2) Desktops (worse than their laptops)
(3) Servers (no opinion)
(4) Printers (used to kick butt, now I'm not so sure)
So, with the merger going through, what divisions/departments get slashed?
In my *uninformed, casual opinion* there is too much overlap of products and services, never a good sign. There will be chainsaw-like cuts throughout all departments and the end result will *not* be a good thing.
I'd love to be wrong of course, but considering the rapid decline in the quality of the products bearing the Compaq and HP name in recent years, I really don't see this merger improving this.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Much like AOL forcing Time Warner to use their e-mail system (which subsequently hosed up, cause e-mail to get lost, delayed, or appended with pix of britney spears) I'm sure there will be the typical integration woes.
or maybe they'll all just use Dells...
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
**SIGH**
The thing that kills me about all this is
- As AOL-Time-Warner-Turner-etc have proven, mega-mergers are not a good thing for your business. The best way to run a business is to eliminate inefficiencies. Mega-mergers tend to magnify these problems
- When Compaq acquired DEC, DEC stock went south, in a hurry. Last time I took a finance class, the professor emphasized that a good merger usually resulted in the purchased company's stock going **UP**. What this tells me (nothing new, of course) is that Compaq is a company to avoid.
- Fiorina (or however you spell her name) seems to have missed where HP's core business is. It isn't in selling second-rate PCs to office store chains for resale. HP would have done itself **and** Compaq a favor by dropping that business line altogether if things were looking grim. In fact, HP has a much stronger bread-and-butter business selling mundane things like printers, calculators, and oscilliscopes.
As for Mr. Hewlett...who knows. He certainly lost the lawsuit, but had also said he was considering his options. HP also didn't give him a chance to get his seat back, so when his term is up, he's out. I guess I'll sit back and watch things play out, but I for one think this merger was a foolish idea.What is your Slash Rating?
Compaq has the very popular iPaq line of PPCs, HP has the less popular Jornada line.
Will they continue to make both, or will one get dropped in favor of the other?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
The telling part of this merger, and a lot of answers on "why" will be answered on Tuesday when they announce which product lines they are keeping, and which ones are going away. Some choices are obvious, keeping HP's printers, for example. Others....
Which to keep: NetServer or Proliant?
Which to keep: Jornada or iPaq?
Which to keep: HP Desktops or Compaq desktops
They're both in the consumer and workstation PC markets. Which of those stay, and which go?
All I've got to say is that if anything happens to the Proliant quality, there's gonna be a lot of IBM x440's bought on this end. Anybody got any guesses on which way the axe will fall?
...is long gone. It's a shame too.
In my previous jobs, HP test gear was a way of life. If you had a budget to buy new gear, no one was ever fired for buying HP. Now, that division is in shambles, the gear actually has flaws or is DOA, getting calibrations is a disaster and they've pretty much kissed-off a solid business for consumer electronics.
I do not know how much of this was the fault of Fiorina, but all I can say is that it's my opinion that in a few years, HP will be remembered for what they once were, not consumer electronics and computers.
It's a shame, but not unexpected. The visions of American corporations are tightly focused on the next two quarters, not on the long-run. They're willing to sacrifice long-term performance for short-term bumps in the financials and stock pricing. This is the crux of the games played in accounting, and it's a disaster that has yet to fully run its course.
"from the massive-layoffs-coming-soon dept"
From all of the employees of Compaq and HP who read Slashdot, Thanks for the reminder.
The plural of Unix is Unices. I've also seen it as Unixen, but I like the first better.
Let me just explain something here. German banks offer depository accounts for shareholders to hold their shares. However, they have a nasty habit of making sure that the shareholder signs over their voting rights to the bank. This tends to give the banks a disproportionate vote. The German Association of Small Shareholders is fighting this, but it hasn't really happened yet.
As the banks tend to have some interesting share positions themselves, this leads to major conflicts of interest. In the case of Deutsche Bank, they certainly have a large interest in IBM (not just as users, as shareholders).
Last point, when was any large merger good for anyone except the banks and the lawyers doing the M&A work? It seems like they may have a win-win situation, with organising the financing and possibly seeing IBM benefit from the transaction.
Here's what I see happening from the tidbits I've garnered from many a customers discussion with their HP or Compaq Rep.
1) Anything without an intel chip in it, the days are numbered. HP invested way too much in the Itanium / EPIC instruction set and they are going to can PA-RISC in favor of Itanium in their future Unix Machines.
2) Compaq already said Alpha going bye bye in favor of Itanium.
3) HP dumped their 3000 line...Can't see any non-intel compaq line sticking around much longer
4) HP will dump their entire business line of Intel products, the Netserver, the Desktop PCs, and the Notebooks. This does not include the Best Buy crap, just the stop corps use, or should I say DON'T Use. Compaq's product line will become HP's product line for corporate intel servers.
5) Toss up in the consumer market. HP & Compaq have been 1/2 in the retail division with the Presario/Pavillion, don't know/don't care what happens to them. In my personal experience of living vicariously through other people HPs Pavillions break more than the Presarios did.
6) HP Should maintain it's printer division while Compaq fades away.
7) The new company will claim all sorts of wlid thing like they've been supporting Linux the longest, they have the most Unix experience, etc trying to woo the Open Source community when in fact the people that are running the new HP never touched Linux, they just bought and destroyed other companies that did (Digital) and desperately have been trying to get some news bites about linux because other companies like VA Linux, Pengiun Computing, and IBM really support linux by giving things back to the community instead of just hoping it sells more of their servers/desktops.
8) IBM and Dell will continue to chip away the lead of this new merger, just prolonging the inevitable die off of even more hardware companies. If past experience of mergers with Compaq involved mean anything it'll be 18 months of a mess before anything positive comes out, and Dell and IBM will continually be beating on that. Dell from a price perspective, and IBM from a technology perspective.
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
These massive mergers invariably slash the worth of all the companies involved as they go through their departments indiscriminately hacking away. The only purpose is big bonuses for the execs.
The bright side of this is that smaller companies who can actually produce quality products the people want and at reasonable prices will eat through the market share of the combined HP/Compaq like sharks at a feeding frenzy as customers desert the sinking carcass. And with all the layoffs from HP/Compaq that will be coming, there will be lots of talent around for the smaller guys to pick up.
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If Compaq purchased Digital, and HP is merging with Compaq, is HP-Compaq-Digital a Beowulf cluster of corporations?
;-)
No, to much overhead.
It will probably be more like a crash prone Windows 95 box
No, seriously, chances are this will not work out very well.
Or at least take years to get right.
Time will tell.
"First lesson," Jon said. "Stick them with the pointy end."
The shareholder meeting and Walter Hewlett's suit should have been held in Florida, because it wound up being a big stink about nothing on a tight schedule.
Deutsche Bank had only 17 Million votes, and the margin of victory was 45 Million votes. If Deutsche bank swung the margin would have been 11 Million, still a squeaker but it would be the exact same result! (Unless the by-laws would have required a 50% approval rathern than a majoroty of votes cast, then it would have failed).
Yest Carly was pulling an Al Gore with the votes (except for the part where she wins), but the result would have been the same: Hewlett Compaqard.
(838,401,376 votes for 793,094,105 against for those who care, about 14 Million didn't vote)
--Shemnon
I'm still trying to return this damn dvd100i. The thing is worthless, can't even play music CD's let alone burn anything.
I have *very* fond memories of my HP-9100A and HP-41C calculators, but frankly, everything I've bought from HP after that has been shit.
I'm getting sick of the smell.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
That is one valuable thing is that if they can combine forces with Compaq, they can put themselves in a better position in the commodotized market of PC's. The problem with a commoditized market is that margins are razor thing so you have to be able to produce in vast quantities to make any money. There is still good money there, but only for the biggest players. Seperately they might not have the power to survive in the market, but together they stand a better chance.
Sure the growth rate in PC's is slowing, but it's still growing at least and there will always be demand for upgrading of old systems, etc. It stands to be a cash cow for many years to come but only if you are a big player or a niche player (game machines, etc).
Also, in this deal, think about hand helds which is definitely a fast growing market. The two leading manufacturers (I think they are leading, but correct me if I'm wrong) of WinCE devices are becoming one. That's certainly putting them in a better position in that market.
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I have always worked at small companies in out of the way places doing interesting work, and not worrying too much about who paid the best. HP is the only big company I ever interviewed at, and would have been interested in working at, because they were not the typical Silly Valley company. They used to stand for long term patience and steadiness. Quirks in their equipment to be sure, but quality was there too. Carly is destroying that.
The 15,000 layoffs coming are a good example, as was spinning off Agilent. The point about not laying people off is not socialism or workers' rights, but rather the management mentality. If you know you can fire like crazy, you are more likely to hire like crazy. If you are reluctant to fire, you will also have a more long term outlook on hiring and expansion. If a project needs cutbacks, you will have the attitude of needing to find a new project for the current staff, rather than cutting back in a hurry and losing all that expertise, then later hiring like crazy and trying to integrate new staff.
That long term outlook is gone from HP now, with the Carly (and Curly) gang in charge. There are no doubt lots of the old guard still around, but they aren't in charge, and HP is on the road to being just another huge corporation, nothing special.
That's what Walter Hewlett tried to get across.
Infuriate left and right
Can I get dec.com, please.
I have a hard time understanding the MPE world. The CTO of a big MPE consulting firm sat me down at HP World last year and told me why Unix would never make it in business. Not Linux, Unix. So, I decided I would only worry about the Free Software operating systems at HP.
In the case of HP-UX, on the IA-64 it will be binary-compatible with Linux. If you write to that interface, you have an application that runs on two operating systems, one of which gives you the option to self-support indefinitely (or buy consulting) and not worry about when someone decides to de-support it. HP had no choice but to embrace Linux, the company has to go where its customers are going.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
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I think this merger is best described as a head-on train wreck in slow motion. At least they're coming together.
How soon will it be before Microsoft, and HPQ-sun-aol remain?
:)
As soon as the big guys realize monopolies and cartels are more profitable than competition. Who ever said capitalism worked?
Over the past year, we've seen so much god-awful M&A activity - think Vivendi-U or, even worse, AOLTW - none of which adds any value to the resulting company.
And if you think of it from the consumer's perspective, the resulting companies are usually worse. Which begs the question -- why merge in the first place? I don't think I've ever really figured this one out; the only things mergers are good at as far as the average tech consumer is concerned are expanding monopolies *ahem*AOLTW and reducing product quality. They may be good in the short term for the companies involved, but they're inevitably bad for the consumer, and this in turn results in a long-term loss for all companies involved.
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of the Corporate States of America...
You're right that it's a cluster, but not a Beowulf cluster. Instead it's just a cluster-f... ah nevermind.
I think a change of titles is appropriate...
May I suggest the "HP Pavillion"?
Hewlett Compackard Dell.
I guess it is sort of fitting that two companies that have recently continued to fail to capitalize on their investments would merge. Compaq bought Digital and failed to really do anything worth while with them. The Alpha was a badass of microprocessor engineering. Had something been made of it the entire industry might have been turned on their head. The 21164 whipped other processors of the time like little bitches. By 2000 only about 500k Alpha systems had been sold. That is bad marketing and poor capitalization. HP for some retarded reason thought the internet bubble boom was going to last for some long period of time and dropped their slow growth steady divisions and spun them off into a separate company. That is another failure to retain their market capitalization. They may sell a lot of computers and not go out of business no one is going to remember them for anything other than for a stupid merger.
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Jeff Clarke: Somebody set up us the bomb.
Peter Blackmore: We get signal.
Mike Capellas: What !
Blackmore: Main screen turn on.
Captain: It's You !!
Carly Fiorina: How are you gentlemen !!
Fiorina: All your Presario are belong to us.
Fiorina: You are on the way to destruction.
Capellas: What you say !!
Fiorina: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Fiorina: HA HA HA HA
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The new company will becalled "Hewlett Paqard"
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I don't think you need to question HP's Linux committment. We have to go where our customers are going, and we get very firm "Linux" signals from them.
You now have Jim Gettys, me, Bdale Garbee, David Mosberger, and Jeremy Allison in the same company, along with another 100 people I really should mention. There's a bigger array of Linux expertise than VA ever assembled, and most of them are working on GPL projects, and are also driving the company significantly. That's got to be good for Free Software.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
It can now be revealed what Carly Fiorina meant when she said on the eve of the merger vote that "we may have to do something extraordinary" to get Deutsche Bank to vote the HP way. Shortly before the meeting, Fiorina opened her portfolio and showed DB Chair Hilmar Kopper all her assets. Then she gave him vigorous oral arguments and afterwards personally debriefed the entire DB board. No one knows what she told the board but shrieks of, "Das ist gut, Carly, das ist sehr gut!" reverberated throughout the meeting place during a 40 minute delay before the vote. A HP spokesman said that the DB board put up stiff resistance at first, but afterwards they were putty in her hands.
They should rename themselves to Helwett Compakard or something similar. ;)
Long live Compaquard Bell. /me observes a moment of silence for Digital Equipment Corporation and the old HP, both of which made quality products before being pimped out.
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The market is slowing down. And it is also rapidly comoditizing itself. which means sales are decreasing and margins are getting thinner. Not sure if its true but thats what the author meant.