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Jornada Killed, iPaq To Live On
MartinG writes "According to the news at handhelds.org "HP/Compaq merger completed. HP Jornada will be discontinued in favor of HP iPAQ. HP Labs will continue to support Linux on the iPAQ. In particular, we plan to complete the Linux port to the Jornada 56x." I couldn't see any further details, but interesting news nonetheless."
Both were technologically great devices, but the HP seemed better built (this coming from an Ipaq owner).
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I love the ipaq, very happy to see them stick with what works and not roll over the ipaq
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"Ya I finished that last week, it just doesn't work"
another great idea from HP
This would be interesting if it meant more commericial support for Linux on something other than ia32 machines - still something of a Cinderella - but it is difficult to draw that conclusion from this article alone.
But that is right, isn't it?
it's nice to see a company willing to work with developers to support their old products under installations they were never intended to work with.
cyn, free software and *nix operating systems enthusiast.
The iPaq (despite sounding so much like "iMac) is the better handheld. t's really amazing all the uses for it, plus it has much better accessories.
I'm happy with *all* the decisions they've made so far, really.
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HP/COMPAQ Publishes OS/product Roadmap
Those damn Jornada's were clunky things anyway... at least they are willing do finish the linux port before throwing in the towel tho :)
I really thought they would have gone for the more obvious name:
HPaq.
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"Jornada killed, IPAQ to live on"? That sounds mighty suspicious to me...
Alright, I think the Jornada did it, in the conservatory, with a compact flash memory card.
Personally, I have found HP products (especially laptops and PDAs) to use an inferior, almost navy blue, plastic that feels brittle and rough. Compaq has a tendency to use silver "accents" that I find a little gaudy. Maybe with Palm's recent troubles, HP/Compaq (anyone know if they will be called HPaq?) can hire away one of the original designers (just not the guy who did the m505 or whatever...yuck!).
I think companies tend to underestimate the importance of quality materials. Yes, what's inside counts, but the heft of a thing, the sturdiness, these are the aspects that appeal to our most primitive sense of utility and function. Never disregard the subconscious effects of the tactile world around us.
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Typical... Just when I buy myself a juicy little HP Jornada :(
I did dither about buying an IPAQ, but the use of those "jacket" things to add CF or PCMCIA capability just didn't appeal. At least the Jornada has an inbuilt CF slot.
Cheers
Chris
This is great that hp is keeping handhelds.org alive. Handhelds.org has produced a lot of great software over the past couple of years and made things like the Sharp Zaurus possible. The death of the jornada is unfortunate but it seems that hp is just trying to keep the best products out on the market. Thanks HP for not killing off handhelds.org!
Later,
Phil
Tad sad, considering the 'sleek form factor' of the Jornadas. Ah well.
The HP website has a Product Roadmap in its press releases.
It makes a quite nice read, especially if you're a heavy Compaq server site.
Smart Handhelds
Decision: The Compaq iPAQ(TM) Pocket PC, re-named the HP iPAQ Pocket PC, will be our smart handheld platform. The best of the current HP Jornada technology will be engineered into the platform. Jornada products will be phased out of the market in 2002.
HP will continue to innovate in wireless, mobility and voice technology. HP also will offer the iPAQ Blackberry device for end-to-end wireless e-mail solutions, under the HP brand.
So evidently we're going to see IPaq's emerging with some of the good Jornada technology integrated. Lets hope its well done, rather than shoehorned in.
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"New stuff is developed for Jornada. iPAQ support still continues."
Doesn't that sound a little contradictory? From the latter you could imagine it's iPAQ killed and Jornada lives on...
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So *that's* what the MSCE training is for - cool. Thanks for the tip. Oh, a word of advice - dont ever admit on slashdot that you know how to "customise clippy".
a nice little handheld one can wirelessly use as a plan9 graphic terminal, even listening to mp3s etc.
:(
if only i could afford one
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I have to admit that I foresaw the merging and subsequent ramifications of PC hardware and support divisions, and the HPUX/Tru64(sp?) divisions. I completely missed the PDA divisions. What else has been overlooked I wonder?
It must be wonderful to wake up and smell the coffee... in Brazil!
However, I think the Terapin Mine Handheld is far superior to a five gallon bucket full of iPAQs, Pilots, Newtons, and more than a few models of cell phones.
And I think that woman in charge of HP has put more engineers out of work in order to get some short-term cash in her own pocket than anyone in history. I would hate to be any of the faculty members who signed her business school diploma right now. Can you imagine the sheer embarassment of that? Too bad we didn't get Lew Platt back; he knew how to deliver a great platform with an even better development environment. I hope the karma comes around with as much corrective force as it went around.
Carly Fiorina just announced that hp would be shutting down handhelds.org "I didn't realize we'd left something useful out there" she commented.
So now we have one less PDA offering. The Jornada had some features that Compaq wasn't interested in putting into their devices. Mergers tend to hurt competition by removing offerings from the market.
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Has anybody looked much at the Game Park 32? There have been a couple of mentions of it here.
Imagine a cross between the GBA and the iPAQ, kind of. The form factor is large GBA, the screen is bigger (with more colors) than an iPAQ, it uses SMC cards, has a USB port, a cell phone type expansion port for RF networking and stereo speakers.
Ports of Doom, Descent, Wolfenstein, Emulators for GBC, GBA (possible), SMS and SNES are all working or in progress. Since gcc for the GP32 is out, MAME, 2600 and more ports and emulators should be out soon.
The current list is about $160USB.
Do we have to keep rehashing information? Can we talk about new and interesting things every once in a while?
We discussed this issue earlier this week... The editors are really getting lame.
At Ipaq LINUX, the familiar project, or at Intimate Handhelds.
(Just in case somebody isn't aware of this)
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
Admit it, the Jornada wasn't too sexy looking to begin with so that's why they will be stopping it's production in favor of the sleek looking Ipaq
Check out opie.handhelds.org/ For a great distro for handhelds. supports ipaq, zaurus, and I think others. This project, could do wonders, for unifying linux PDAs on a single platform.
With countless stories every day on how Microsoft is evil, and Microsoft practices must be stopped ( more articles than I could stomach usually ), I'm surprised on how eagerly slashdot jumps on their products. Guess what, you're funding them!!
By buying their products, you're speaking with the voice that counts, your money.
The zaurus is a great tool. I love mine. Everyone was raving yesterday about how the clie had a software writing area that's hideable, guess what, the zaurus has that. And it has a built in keyboard, and a screen keyboard, and a unicode keyboard...
And don't talk about software either. Because, there are tons of ARM linux software. In places like zaurus.sourceforge.com http://zaurusoft.com http://opie.handhelds.com http://myzaurus.com http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org http://www.debian.org/ports/arm
so go ahead. complain that microsoft is bullying the educational institutes, that their licenses prevent OEMs from distributing alternative OSes, that they want to prevent us from being able to buy computers without paying them everytime...
Then go buy their friggin' products.
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I own a Jornada 568 and prefer its form factor to that of the iPaq. The iPaq requires a very thick sleeve to support add in cards compared to the Jornada which does not. My coworker's iPaq is quite a bit bulkier with a sleeve and wireles adapter compared to my Jornada with a wireless adapter. I haven't used an iPaq so maybe I am missing something, but from a form factor view, this doesn't seem like the best decision.
The ipaq has a better name in the marketplace. If you look at their roadmap you will see this is what they have done with all the products. If one product has a better name in the marketplace it is kept.
Before Compaq would fix your iPaq if you turned it into a brick loading Linux.... I wonder if HP will be so nice....
There is some rumors going on the news sites that theres a 400MHz iPaq with 128 MB ram on the way, more that is more usefull as a mobile entertainment PDA than the current high-end model (for games, video, divx, mpeg, mp3, etc). Dunno if its using the old StrongARM family or the new Intel Xscale architecture (ARM based).
I onyl hope that HP can fix the numerous comcrap ijunk hard faults, especially the numerous repeatable battery charging problems.
As it stands now, I have a $500 paperweight, but I don't really care anymore as I have switched back to Macs (OSX) & Linux(x86) and so use Palms, which I prefer anyways. (I'm not a PDA gamer, thats why I have a GBA--better games anyways, and I don't watch videos or listen to music(generally) on a PDA.)
...was that it was attached to the rather shapely hip of Denise "Dr. Christmas Jones" Richards in the James Bond opus "The World Is Not Enough." It also provided the most humor: The notion that Richards could use the Jornada to deactivate a nuclear warhead hurtling through a Siberian pipeline at 75 MPH.
This details what they are and are not getting ride of. It looks like most of what is staying is all going to be under the HP name as well. Very little Compaq left. They are also getting rid of True64 and integrating the good parts of it, or what they think are good, into HP-UX.
This is from HP and to their customers / consumers so if you use any Compaq / HP stuff it is worth a read.
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I was onced asked by a friend/devleoper:
:)
Q1: "Why does a company buy 5 iPaqs?"
Q2: I don't know, why does a company buy 5 iPaqs?
A1: "So they have 1 that works for the demo."
Q3: Is this a hardware or an operating system issue?
A2: "operating system"
Take a look at the Sharp Zaurus for your next purchase. If you need MS Windows desktop apps too then Qt and Qt/embedded is a great choice. IMHO.
By the way, the Zaurus rocks.
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
HP Jornada 574 listed at MobilePlanet; It looks like the leak about the new Jornada has turned into a flood over the weekend as MobilePlanet has listed it for sale although it hasn't been officially announced yet by HPaq. Source: piggity Any Comments?
. ph p?s=&postid=56821#post56821
"Jornada 574 Pocket PC; The Jornada 574 features the new 400MHz Intel XScale processor, the fastest available for Pocket PCs. The Jornada also comes with 64MB RAM, 32MB ROM, a color reflective TFT LCD display that supports 65K colors, and Pocket PC 2002 OS from Microsoft."
http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/forum/showthread
I cannot believe the people here who actually BELIEVE the Ipaq is the better device.
I presonally own a Ipaq, Jornada, and the Toshiba PocketPC PDA. I have 802.11 adapters for all of them, and the Ipaq is by far the WORST of the three.
With the Ipaq I have to use that butt ugly sleeve and add a huge PCMCIA 802.11 card. It's literally twice the size and 3 times the weight.
With the Toshiba and HP, I have 2 compactflash 802.11 adapters that add nothing to the size of the PDA.
HP/Compaq is already making dumb decisions. I guess I can hope they put the Jornada dev team to work on the Ipaq, and fire the person who came up with the Ipaq sleeve idea.
UGH!
http://www.pocketpcpassion.com/forum/attachment.ph p?s=d17ef2bd2a57eb39c8a5ce26b1047cac&postid=57184
yup, that's one reason why I went with the Zaurus. It too has the CF slot builtin but also has a SD/MMC slot as well. The slide-out keyboard and Linux were the final hooks that got me to buy the Zaurus.
It'll be interesting to see if the HP iPaq gets builtin expansion and I applaud their Bluetooth support.
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
- The Jornada 560 series will be discontinued out in 3-6 months
- The 570-series is cancelled, although XScale devices are expected by summer (the article was vague in this regard, but this "could" mean an iPaq-branded XScale device).
- The Jornada 928's future is uncertain
- The Jornada 720 mini-notebook will still exist, though its name will change to "iPaq"
Sorry to sound like a dork, but what is Linux?
wtf
My thought when I read that Compaq were supportive of Linux was "Great, I wonder how much an iPaq with Linux costs?"
So I went and looked, and discovered that you can't actually buy an iPaq with Linux. Supportive my ass.
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My only complaint with the Zaurus is battery life... it is a complete and utter pig with the backlight in use... I'm lucky if I get two hours use out of it.
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Oh, Jornada.
Whoops, my mistake.
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If you had read this article you would have known that.
I've heard that but not experienced it myself. I run atleast one notch down in "Front" light intensity. Because it is a frontlight and not a backlight, we must keep it turned on. When I know I'll be outside using the Z, I knock it down another notch (50%).
I'm also wondering if charging or battery hiccups aren't causing some to have very short charge life.
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
Hey... can anyone else get to handhelds.org? I've been trying to get to them from multiple locations on the net. Seems like the west coast can't get there. Is handhelds.org the latest victim of the HP/Compaq merger? I can't see how...
/etc
The Terrapin Mine is much cooler, unless you need all those pixels and/or want to pay the Microsoft tax, and you don't want a hard drive.
Maybe I don't need a hard drive. I hope WalMart comes out with Linux iPAQs.