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Post-it Notes vs. Copy-Inhibited CDs

rjoseph writes "MacUser is running an article about how the new Celine Dion CD A New Day Has Come with copy protection mechanisms to prevent the CD from being played on a PC not only won't play on an iMac, but it will lock the CD tray (so it can't be removed) and fubar the firmware (so the machine can't be rebooted), effectivley killing the iMac. Ouch." We mentioned this interesting experiment in consumer relations last month as well, but now it's getting noticed a lot more. However, emkman writes: "What was first thought to be an April Fool's joke, now appears to be true. Some Audio CD protection schemes such as Cactus DATA Shield 100/200, KeyAudio, and perhaps others may be defeated by invalidating the outer ring of the CD with a black marker or post-it sticky note. www.chip.de has their report in German, here is a translation."

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  1. Class Action Lawsuit! by NETHED · · Score: 4, Funny

    GO buy one now!! I want a new computer at their expense!

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    --sig fault--
    1. Re:Class Action Lawsuit! by Zone5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd pay EXTRA for a DVD that set the neighbor's cat on fire - the damn thing keeps me up at night while it meows pitifully looking for love.

      --
      "So on one hand, honey is an amazingly sophisticated and efficient food source. On the other hand it's bee backwash."
  2. Oh no! by Villain · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damnit, I was really looking forward to that new Celine CD too. Guess I'll have to spend my money on Aphex Twin instead.

  3. But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 1, Funny

    Certainly not anyone I know who owns a mac

    --
    "I think it would be a good idea" Gandhi, on Western Civilisation
    1. Re:But who listens to Celine Dion anyway? by Brigadoon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Certainly not anyone I know who owns a mac

      I hate to stereotype, but at the risk of doing so, I'd wager that Mac users are more likely to listen to Celine Dion than otherwise.

      Pooling from all of the computer users I know - if that's any decent demographic - Linux users would most certainly not fall under the Celine Dion fans. Windows users, it seems, tend to be more alternative, pop, rap, ad nauseum. And finally, Mac users are more oldies, soft rock, etc. This of course is NOT any real indication of what people listen to; not science, just my own personal observations generalized.

      I've never seen a person sing "My Heart Will Go On" while recompiling their kernel.

      -X

  4. Punishment by line-bundle · · Score: 2, Funny

    They are just punishing you for listening to Celine Dion. YOu deserve it.

    1. Re:Punishment by kisrael · · Score: 5, Funny

      They are just punishing you for listening to Celine Dion. YOu deserve it.

      No, this is your karmically-correct punishment for buying the Celine Dion CD...listening is its own punishment.

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      SO YOU'RE GOING TO DIE: The Comic for Dealing with Death
  5. Finally someone who realizes.... by Cynical_Dude · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... what the correct way to treat a Celine Dion CD is. Summary of article: a.) Buy black marker b.) paint underside of CD completely black Next up: The correct way to treat your boy group cds. a.) Buy some acetone b.) ...

  6. Celine Dion does not meet Starcraft by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 5, Funny

    I tried to test this Celine Dion CD to see if it would get stuck in my iMac, but then I discovered to my horror that I couldn't get the Starcraft CD out of the drive. Must ... Quit ... Game ... and press ... Eject ... Muscles ... not ... responding...

    graspee

    P.S. This may have legal implications if my Starcraft CD starts downloading mp3s without my permission. (ha ha. sorry).

  7. circumvention devices? by schussat · · Score: 5, Funny
    Are we to understand that post-it notes and sharpie pens are now contraband circumvention devices? 3M is not going to like this, not one bit.

    -schussat

    --
    The hour of noon has passed. Let us go and get some Kentucky Fried Chicken.
    1. Re:circumvention devices? by qslack · · Score: 5, Funny
      Are we to understand that post-it notes and sharpie pens are now contraband circumvention devices? 3M is not going to like this, not one bit.


      Actually, 3M is embracing this new product direction.

      They have renamed their Post-It product line to Toast-It, making a clear reference to burning, or "toasting," a CD-R.

      They have also renamed their popular Sharpie line of permanent markers to "Share-pie," indicating that the markers will enable purchasers to share music.

      :)
    2. Re:circumvention devices? by Bouncings · · Score: 4, Funny

      in germany you have got a right to make a backup copy

      Damn you and your superior legal system snobbery.

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      -- Ken Kinder ken@_nospam_kenkinder.com http://kenkinder.com/
    3. Re:circumvention devices? by qslack · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dear CaptainSuperBoy,

      I am sorry for the problem(s) that I have written into my messages. Down here in Afghanistan, we can't get Sharpies or Sanford markers, so I have no way of knowing the correct brand that I should have put in my messages.

      Please excuse this!

      I now must go and watch my DiVXes on my C-64 and play Final Fantasy X! Also, I have a question about Linux on quad-processor machines. I hope you can help me!

      Thank you!
      Junis from Afghanistan

  8. Re:Be careful by logical1010 · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the German translation:

    To hardly seize: With a simple felt marker you outwit Sony Music & CO and notice your right to a backup copy.

    Take that Sony Music & CO, I hardly seize you with my simple felt marker and notice my right to a backup copy! You have been outwitted!
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    There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth. ~John Kenneth Galbraith
  9. Re:For everyone saying "I don't like Celine Dion" by SealBeater · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't matter, it's already been ripped and posted on
    alt.binaries.mp3.soundtracks. 8*)

    SealBeater

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    -- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
  10. New Names by Angram · · Score: 5, Funny

    We obviously can't call this Celine Dion product a "CD"...We're going to need a new term to denote CD-imposters...Lets see...

    CC - Crash Circle
    "CD" - Quote-Compact Disk-Unquote
    ICD - Imposter Compact Disk
    FD - Fool's Disk
    ID - Incompatible Disk
    SF - Sony Frisbee
    CC - Celine Coaster
    MW3 - Mommy, Why Won't it Work?
    RCD - Record Companies Downfall
    18POS - $18 Piece Of Sh*t
    SLS - Sony's Last Stand
    PD - Poo Disk

    Any suggestions?

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    GL
  11. Someone please call the English Police by TheGreenLantern · · Score: 5, Funny

    "MacUser is running an article about how the new Celine Dion CD A New Day Has Come with copy protection mechanisms to prevent the CD from being played on a PC not only won't play on an iMac, but it will lock the CD tray (so it can't be removed) and fubar the firmware (so the machine can't be rebooted), effectivley killing the iMac."

    Somewhere a 4th Grade English teacher is crying, and doesn't know why.

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    It hurts when I pee.
  12. Re:Be careful by npongratz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Take that Sony Music & CO... You have been outwitted!

    Make your time!

  13. Poor i-Macs... by fatalist23 · · Score: 5, Funny

    how horrible, dying with Celine Dion in your mouth! *shudder*

  14. Everybody stock up on Sharpies! by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Funny

    HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA - May 13, 2002 - RIAA TEAMS UP WITH MPAA TO URGE BAN OF "SHARPIE" STYLE MARKERS.

    Local busineses were shocked today when all 2.5 million office supply stores were simultaneously served with a cease and desist order from the RIAA and MPAA banning the sale of any type of felt tip marker. Lobbyists for the media industry successfully bribed and/or threatened a number of local politician, who in turn passed legislation banning the manufacture, sale, or possession of any device on grounds that it violates the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.

    "This is a great day for freedom in this country", stated I. P. Freely, chairman of the House Committee On Media Graft and Campaign Finance. "No longer will reckless hoodlums and terrorist be able to hold our great media industries down! Already these 'media terrorists' have been implicated in causing a downturn in music sales, a deepening of the U.S. recession, balding, impotence, and dandruff. These terrorists are a threat to the very foundation of this nation. Have I said terrorist enough yet? Terrorist terrorist terrorist!"

    A small group of bewildered secretaries and office workers were rounded up by jackbooted thugs and herded into "terrorist containment vehicles" (which resemble black vans) as they went into office supply stores in downtown L.A. to buy Sharpies. "Obviously these media terrorists were bent on destroying Sony Music with these devices", said one S.W.A.T. team captain as he twirled a Sharpie in front of cameras. "Don't worry folks", he said, "you're safe now."

    When interviewed on the street, many people expressed delight at the actions of the MPAA and RIAA.

    "I'm so glad that these hideous terr'rist folks have been rounded up", says Eva Beaver. "Who knows what they might've blown up with their terror weapons. Next it could be planes slamming into buildings!"

    Opposition to this new law is expected to be light, say prominent Washington lawmakers. Naysayers will be rounded up and shot on sight, further adding to the desire to keep people from pirating music and movies with felt tip pens.

    Spokesmen for Sanford, the company that manufactures the Fully Automatic Terrorist Media Stealing Assault Weapon (formerly known as a Sharpie Marker) could not be reached following a disastrous fire and explosion at every single one of their manufacturing plants.

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    In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
  15. Re:For everyone saying "I don't like Celine Dion" by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Funny

    First they came for "More Fast and Furious," and I did not speak out because that's not my kind of music.

    Then they came for Celine Dion, and I did not speak out because I'm lukewarm about Celine Dion.

    Then they came for Episode 2, and I did not speak out because I'm not really a Star Wars fan.

    But THEN they copy-protected that CD of "Richard Stallman sings Tom Lehrer..."

  16. watch out following translated instructions by flacco · · Score: 4, Funny
    You never know - a babelfish translation deficiency could result in instructions like:

    "Then schtick ze blow torchen up your assen-holen, and ge-crank that mutterfikken all ze way uppen-leder-hosen."

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    pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
  17. Re:Oh for goodness sakes! by flacco · · Score: 5, Funny
    In other cases, perhaps you might need to get creative to get that CD out. Perhaps you need to pull the drive apart - who knows.

    Or perhaps you need beat the living shit out of the fuck-heads who cavalierly take it upon themselves to fuck with your hardware. Then kill their extended families, burn down their houses with their corpses inside, and piss on the ashes.

    Or that paper clip thing might work too, I don't know.

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    pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
  18. Hole punch... by Colz+Grigor · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am reminded of my teenage days of punching notches into the side of 5 1/4" disks with a hole punch...

    Magic markers to avert copy protection schemes... I love low-tech solutions to high-tech problems.

    ::Colz Grigor

  19. Obligatory AYB bit... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny


    In A.D. 2002, War was beginning.
    Mac Hacker: What happen?
    User: Somebody set us up the Celine Dion Not-CD
    Programmer: We get signal
    Mac Hacker: What!
    Programmer: Main Screen turn on
    Mac Hacker: It's You!
    R.O.S.E.N.: How are you gentlemen?
    R.O.S.E.N.: All your CD-ROM drive are belong to us.
    R.O.S.E.N.: You are on the way to destruction
    Mac Hacker: What you say?!?!
    R.O.S.E.N.: You have no chance to hack make your time
    R.O.S.E.N.: HA HA HA HA....
    Mac Hacker: Take off every Not-CD
    Mac Hacker: You know what you doing
    Mac Hacker: Remove Not-CD
    Mac Hacker: For great justice

    --
    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  20. NO, USE A DR. DRE ERASE MARKER by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 2, Funny

    ha ha ha I made a funny

  21. Floppy Drive Firmware by borgasm · · Score: 2, Funny

    I recall something about invalidating the firmware on a floppy drive, in a slightly different manner. I think the trick was to paint the inside of a floppy with nail polish and the powder from inside caps. The drive heats up to read the disk, and in a flash of fire, the floppy drive is no longer functional. Now that's copy protection.

  22. DMCA says it's a felony to fix your Apple ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Funny
    In other cases, perhaps you might need to get creative to get that CD out. Perhaps you need to pull the drive apart - who knows.

    Apple knows [apple.com]. You have three non-pull-apart options.

    [options deleted]


    Well, let's see...

    The crud they put on the disk locks up the Apple when you try to play it. Thus...

    This is "technology" that "effectively prevents" unauthorized copying.

    Breaking your computer is part of the correct operation of this technology, so

    Fixing your computer is "circumvention" of "technology" that "effectively prevents" unauthorized copying, a felony under the DMCA, and

    Apple's post telling you how to fix your computer is "trafficing" in circumvention technology, also a felony.

    Quick! Call the FBI! (And ask Adobe for the phone number of the appropriate person to call. B-) )

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    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  23. We hear you brother... by AFreeman · · Score: 2, Funny

    I do have a stereo at home, but not at work...

    ...and all the music I buy is only every played at work (or occasionally in my car) - my girlfriend doesn't like my prediliction for Swedish death metal...(fancy that!), but I won't code to anything else :-)

  24. Re:Oh for goodness sakes! by BtAFMB · · Score: 2, Funny
    Oh, I was making a general comment about Apple. Too cheap to include a $20 floppy drive, too stupid to include a manual eject for CDs...

    Don't even get me started on how they don't include a punch-card reader, and it doesn't have a single vacuum tube!

    --

    "I have fallen off the wagon, for I am a slave to tea."
  25. Technical document translation by rjamestaylor · · Score: 5, Funny
    • They find the line distant up to two centimeters from the outside edge. Draw now with the pin a tangential line, which covers the dividing line accurately, into which outside range project, but does not affect the last audio TRACK. A sticking tire helps as ruler.

      Try the result out. If it did not fold, the line covers either the dividing line not completely or lies over the last audio trace - here geht's around tenths of a millimeter. Then you wipe away to the pro copying bars with a damp speed and correct after.

    I followed these directions and my Celine Dion disk is now stuck in a tire heading east on I-10 at about 75 mph. I feel better already.
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    -- @rjamestaylor on Ello
  26. Does that mean black markers are forbidden now? by gotan · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, they can be used as circumvention devices to copy protected digital content, so the DMCA should apply, no?

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    "By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing... kill yourself." -- Bill Hicks
  27. Re:Apple Responds w/ KBA by zsmooth · · Score: 3, Funny

    One big difference between this situation and Ford/Firestone:

    No one's getting killed.

    That's all.

  28. Re:Legality? by apg · · Score: 2, Funny

    If some iMac owner accidently puts one of these CD's in the drive and send the thing to kingdom come, didn't Sony just damage their computer with malicious intent?

    Not that I agree in any way shape or form, but Sony's defense will likely be something along the lines of:

    "A sanding pad from a rotary sander will damage your CD-ROM drive, but they don't even put labels on those. At least we told you not to put our disk in your computer. It's not our fault if you didn't disassemble the jewel case to read the fine print we printed under the CD tray in reverse pig latin."
  29. Why get a CD when glue works just as well? by xactoguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why go to all the trouble of going out, buying a CD (Celine Dion *shudder*), and putting it in my iMac? I might as well walk over to my desk, get some glue, and pour it in there :D. It'll do just the same thing, be cheaper for me, PLUS I'm sure that I will get some nice sound effects/smells being produced :D. Seriously, though, why does Sony have to be doing this? How can we send them some sort of message that they are screwing themselves over by doing this?

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    And so we go, on with our lives
    We know the truth, but prefer lies
    Lies are simple, simple is bliss
  30. Re:Apple Responds w/ KBA by ragnarok · · Score: 2, Funny
    Don't laugh, these exist

    Awesome, where can I get some?

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    Search first, ask questions later.
  31. And remember, kids... by Millennium · · Score: 3, Funny

    Every time you listen to a copy-protected CD...
    Celine Dion kills an iMac.
    Please, think of the iMacs.

  32. Re:Be careful by Wire+Head · · Score: 2, Funny

    Congradulations! Thanks to the DMCA, we can now shut down all the felt tip marker makers, and 3M for making Post-it-Notes because they are devices capable of circumventing copy protection!

    --


    WireHead

    The previous message was created with 100% recycled words.
  33. Re:I like the bit about the Warranty there by gvonk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Software should never crash, no matter what input you put into it. That's taught in every first year programming class I've ever seen, and it goes double for software that controls peripherals.

    Also, please note-- Automobiles should never crash, no matter what happens on the road. That's taught in every first year driver's education course I've ever seen, and it goes double if you are driving an expensive car.

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  34. Re:I like the bit about the Warranty there by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ah but if its a firmware crash through design, it doesn't matter how good your driver software is...remember achiles and the tortoise in G.E.B? ;-)

  35. $18 by seigel · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, with all this copy protection in the CD now it is almost worth the $18 now! I guess they are just trying to make CDs more expensive to make so they can justify the price!

    Good for them.....I am glad they are finally getting the price more inline with the actual costs!

    Cheers

  36. Re:Apple Responds w/ KBA by fhknack · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and it should (*not*)^2 corrupt any firmware...

    (*not*)^2 == (*not*)(*not*)

    So you're saying it should corrupt firmware, etc.?

    Alternatively:
    (*not*)^2 == (*not*)(*not*) == (*^4)(n^2)(o^2)(t^2), but that makes even less sense.