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At the moment, Earthlink is running scads of TV ads showing the hapless nerd beseiged by guys in business suits who pull the plug on his computer, shower him with junk mail and peper him with tennis balls. At Earthlink, the ad says, they don't tolerate any of those service interruptions or spamming or pop-ups. So I thought it would be easy to cancel its service, which I actually acquired back when my account said Mindspring. But Earthlink's ferocious defense apparently only applies to paying customers, not to departing ones. Most ISPs, unlike more regulated phone companies, don't send monthly bills; they simply bill membership to a credit card. Thus, it's not simple even to find a phone number to call when you want out, and you sure won't find any little cancellation box on the home page.
When I got through at 8:50 a.m., I heard the usual chirpy recorded message urging me onto the site's website, where, the voice assured me, all my questions could be answered. There was, however, no prompt or icon or command on the customer service or tech support page for cancelling membership.
Back to the phones. I got to the menu, which didn't give an option for cancellation, but did give one for sales and service. That had to be the one, right? Wrong. After waiting on hold for 20 minutes, Diane told me there was a special customer service department for cancellations. She switched me to it. Fifteen minutes of bad music. I had that familiar, sinking feeling one gets upon entering the land of customer support, tech style. You can get in anytime, but you can't always get out.
Then a tech support rep came on. Can't imagine why you were switched to this department, he said. But I've been on the phone for half an hour, I said, taking the slightly more pleading voice one uses in the second stage of Phone Menu Hell -- the point before you really lose it, while you still hope some decent soul will ignore company policy and treat you right.
"Tell you what," said Steve the tech, his voice getting a tad chillier. "Why don't I stay on with you while we switch you over?" Great, I said. He vanished and wasn't heard from again. In the world of customer service, lies are the currency, and broken hearts abound.
Twenty-five more minutes, and a customer service rep from the first department popped on. A veteran of too many of these conversations to recount, I asked to speak to a supervisor immediately. One (allegedly) came on. Oh, he said, I was in the wrong department. So I did that thing where you recount your sorry travails in Tech Support Hell while they sometimes pretend to care.
"I've been on the phone for an hour," I said, the fuse having been lit. "It only took me five minutes to sign up. Why not make it possible to cancel electronically?"
Can't do that, he said, for security reasons. We have to verify your identify.
"But you let people sign up online, verifying or not verifying?"
"That's different," he said. It sure is. Cash flows in rather than out. After a few minutes (maybe three) on hold, I was told I needed a special devision of sales that cancelled subscribers. The supervisor switched me over. I expected to end up back in regular customer service, but didn't.
At 10:04 a.m., Cindy came on to ask for my name and PW. I didn't have the latter, as I hadn't used the service for a long time, and the PW had vanished into Password Hell, the bottom of a desk drawer stuffed with the detritus of old accounts, ID codes and issue and support reference numbers from countless tech issues and tech support pleas and brawls.
Cindy said Earthlink had no record of my ever having been a customer -- no name, address or credit card on file. I relayed to Cindy how impressed I was that they hadn't skipped a single month of billing me for the service, even though they didn't seem to know I existed. Yet I did have my credit card bill and assured her I was looking at a monthly charge of $9.95. Eventually it occurred to me that the account might be in my wife's name along with mine. The computer seemed willing to compromise on this point. Cindy said my service would be terminated. Was there anything else she could help me with?
Throughout this ridiculous waste of time, a voice kept popping up saying all calls might be monitored to ensure good service. I hope so. I also hope the people monitoring it have a lot of time and stored memory and a high tolerance for generic pop. I wonder if these people ever think about the irony: they spend all this money claiming to want to make life easier for people, yet they make what should be the simplest things nearly impossible.
The AOL call, initiated at 10:25 a.m. was shorter but weirder. This behemoth spends even more money touting how easy and customer-friendly the service is. That is, after all, the ads say, why they're Number One. But there's no keyword on AOL -- which has a keyword for everything -- for cancelling membership. If you root around in customer support for a while and keep typing in "cancel service" at every prompt -- I'm talking two or three browser moves and about five minutes, just enough to discourage the rushed, confused or distractable -- you eventually reach a page that offers an 888 number for cancellation of membership.
Getting the number of course, doesn't mean getting a human to answer the phone, which required another 20 or more minutes. The world's easiest-to-use and most wholesome online service doesn't fuss much about departing customers, either. At this point, I seriously considered saving the cancellation of AOL for another day. Maybe cancelling two ISPs is just too cumbersome for one workday. But then, there was Hemos and the invoices.
A gruff Brian answered the phone. "Can I help you?" he said, sounding as though his feelings were already hurt and he was spoiling for a fight. I assumed I had to be misreading his tone. I said I wanted to cancel.
"Why?" he asked. "We need to list a reason." Wondering why that was any of his business and eager to finally get off the phone, I mumbled something about having switched to cable. "You can piggyback AOL on cable," Brian interrupted. "That's not really a good reason."
Did I need a really good reason, I wondered? Had I missed something in the fine print when I signed up? What if something personal had happened, like a broken-off love affair? Or maybe I was broke, or been driven mad by pop-up ads and spam?
"Is there any complaint about the service?," he asked abruptly. I hadn't heard this brusque tone from customer service people, usually trained to hold onto a syrupy, we-are-here-to-please-you voice that probably causes them (and you) to later go home and torture their pets.
No, I said, I was happy with the service. I had finally switched to cable and wanted to cancel, that's all. What was the point of dumping on AOL, which I hadn't even been on for months? That would just generate a sugary phone call in a couple of days, pleading for re-consideration.
"You're sending out mixed signals here," Brian insisted, none too warmly. "This isn't really a good reason for cancelling. We can talk about adjusting the pricing, because there are different plans, if that's a problem, and since we can piggyback on cable and you have no complaints, I'm afraid I just don't understand. What am I supposed to write down on the form? You're not making any sense."
Contrary to the atmosphere on Slashdot, I don't particularly enjoy arguing, but Brian flipped my trigger. What would a 70-year-old user say under those circumstances, or a kid, or somebody who didn't speak English very well? Or somebody who just didn't want Brian jeering at him in a voice that vacillated between rude and intimidating?
It was outrageous and I finally lost it. "Look, Brian, I don't have to give you an unmixed signal, a good reason or any reason. I want you to cancel the service right now. Got it?"
"Your service is terminated," he said sharply at 10:50 a.m. AOL hung up on me! Things can't be all that rosy at the world's largest communications company. Brian was feeling -- therefore transmitting -- too much heat. But I was finally disconnected.
The morning did bring sharply into focus that this disconnection business is a horror, along with the way tech businesses often treat their customers, even as they spend fortunes taking out expensive ads claiming otherwise. Nobody should have to spend that much time cancelling two ISP's. It's so discouraging and so unpleasant that hundreds of thousands of people undoubtedly find it easier to pay relatively small monthly fees to avoid it. Which is almost certainly the idea.
So at the least I propose that ISPs be required to send monthly bills, listing numbers to call or websites to visit so that users can cancel on the phone or online. that means, of course, that ISP sites must offer electronic cancellation (if you can get on with a PW and ID, why can't you get off with them?) -- a button to push to cancel membership. It obviously ought to be as easy to cancel as to subscribe. Finally, AOL, of all places, and other sites should not dare be insulting, intimidating or browbeating to customers who want or need to disconnect. (Something Earthlink didn't try, I should point out -- though it took an outrageously long time there and the site didn't make the process simple in any way.)
In a world where it ought to be a universal right to get connected instantly, you ought to be able to get disconnected without calling a lawyer, a hit man or the FTC.
I never use any auto-monthly pay option for any services, be it electric bill, ISP bill, cable bill, phone bill, etc.
It might be convinient, but I rather write the check every month than to deal with these kind of BS that might follow.
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A few months ago when my mom switched from netzero (she was paying fot the 'platinum' service) to a real ISP, we found out that you can do anything your account you want to from the netzero website, except canceling your account, so she called, and was forced to answer some survey questions before they would cancel her account. Nowhere near as bad as this though.
"The United States has no right, no desire, and no intention to impose our form of government on anyone else." - Bush 05
Managed to cancel AOL ok, but she did let them talk her into a couple of months of free service, to see if maybe she wanted to keep it around. That's not such a bad thing though. She isn't real worried about them continuing to charge her credit card either, as they have a card that is going to expire...
Maybe it was tough to find something 'important' to talk about this week. Should anybody really be surprised that a company that is in the business of making money isn't nice to people that no longer wants to give them money? Hell, why not give an american a chance at apathy, they'll probably take it!
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
AOL removed online cancelation because it was, well, easy. This was brought up during the lawsuits aginst them over the busy signals a few years ago. Currently you have to call to cancel, and the person you'll speak to receives a paid bonus if they convince you not to cancel. They usually offer another free month or point out that you could just call back on the exact day your bill cycles. That's why Katz got hung up on, the person was upset at loosing pay.
I spent a few minutes on the phone, but it was obvious they weren't going to let me terminate service without hours of pain, so I hung up.
Then I sent a notarized and dated letter to each, telling them I had no further need of their services and that I would tender no further payment after the current month. I enclosed a check for the current month's service.
Then I called my bank and told them to refuse all requests for payment from both services.
Unsuprisingly, *both* services tried to bill me again (Compuserve several times). But, since they'd both cashed my checks, they couldn't say they hadn't received my letters.
Worked like a charm, and all told I spent less than two hours on the deal. Of course, both services let me sign up in less than ten minutes, but that's the reality of Corporate Amerika these days.
My friend Red says the secret to happiness is lowered expectations. In this case he's probably right. At least it doesn't matter if I'm "white" or not, they screw everybody equally!
Another story from tech support hell I just had to go through. I got a laptop from one of the largest manufacturers of such things. I, being the silly sort, decided to install Linux on said laptop. Now, I realize that doing so takes me out of the realm of expecting technical support and that's fine. What I did not realize is that this, in effect, voids my warranty.
Here's the deal, I get linux installed but then it starts freaking out. Kernel panics occasionally. Sometimes it loads and then freezes up, sometimes it can't even boot. I see lots of error messages relating to memory so I immediate check into memory problems using memtest86.
After about 5 minutes of running memtest, it sure enough finds a chunk of memory that's bad. Running the tests repeatedly for about 30 minutes reveals the same piece of memory failing every single time. So, time to call Compaq and get the thing fixed.
So I call up tech support, and after a reasonable period holding, I get to talk to a support rep. He asks me what the problem is and I explain to him that it's got bad memory. I tell him that applications were crashing, the system was locking up. I tell them that I used memtest86 on the system and that it revealed it was a physical failure. He sounds convinced I have a problem and then asks me a couple standard diagnostic questions. He then asks, "what operating system are you using?"
So I tell him, honestly, Linux. He says that he cannot help me. I try to explain to him that this is a hardware failure, not a software problem. After unsuccessfully trying to convince him I talked to his manager about it. His manager was equally unyielding. I asked him, "so what you are saying is that, in effect, I cannot get warranty service on my laptop if I don't run XP". And his response is, "yes".
At this point I just want to get a working laptop. Rather than making a federal case out of it I decided to just go ahead and install XP so I could get the problem fixed. So I install it, wondering if the EULA still applies to me if Compaq required me to click the "I Accept" button. Then I clal up technical support again, expecting them to walk me through some diagnostic that came with their installation CD, etc.
So I start talking to the tech support guy and go through the same process. I tell him everything that's wrong, what I did to test. He gets to the magic question, "what operating system are you using?" This time I answer, "XP!". He asks a couple more general symptom questions then tells me a box to return it in is on the way.
So at no point in this operation did I ever actually have to run XP except to answer the one question about what OS I run. As soon as I answered that incorrectly, the wheels of progress ground to a halt even though there's no apparent need for me to have XP on there to diagnose the problem. So now my XP laptop is off to Compaq getting repaired and we'll see what comes of it. I'm guessing they ship it back saying they found nothing wrong with it.
I had to call Earthlink no less than 7 times to cancel DSL service for an apartment I was moving out of. The first 5 times I called their systems were down and they couldn't cancel my account.
After finally getting my account cancelled, my debit card was mysteriously charged ~$150. Their explanation was that it was an early cancelation penalty due to my one year contract. I asked how long ago I signed-up and they replied 20 months! It took another 3 weeks to get my money refunded.
My advice is to escalate the call immediately at the first sign of any resistance, and to record the dates, times, and names from every conversation you have.
This is truly the worst customer service experience I have ever had.
Personally, if I had to wait more than fifteen minutes on the phone, I'd fire a letter to Corporate headquarters, notifying them of my intent to cancel, sending it via registered mail, and have it authenticated by a notary public. If they bill me a second time, I'll do the same, and I'd ask the credit card company to mark the charges as fraudulent. Third time, I'd take them to court -- just for the sheer joy of it. After all, you've got three signed, dated, and authenticated letters, stretching over three months, showing good faith on your part, plus reciepts indicating proof-of-delivery. They'd likely settle out-of-court for a reasonable sum, and enough of these lawsuits might prompt the idiots to actually set up a reasonable cancellation method.
I used to work for EarthLink, so I can attest to the number of very frustrated customers who could never talk to the magical cancellation man...
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I Hit the Karma Cap, and All I Got Was This Lousy
This worked for me as well. I got surprisingly little sh*t from them. When asked why, I just said 'Cable', and the next thing I saw was "we're sorry to lose your business; thank you for using Earthlink".
the chat-window support option is the way to go.
I had to disconnect our family dialup in the UK several years ago (from Compuserver I think). The ISP's lines were quite painless for the most part but the ultimate result was that we had to mail/fax a written letter to them explaining we wanted to cancel. The upshot of this is that one could copy the same letter to our bank thus terminating the payments they would be getting, in the event that cancellation wasn't working on Compuserve's side
I applied for Earthlink DSL, got denied, and then started to get my credit card charged 49.95/month for it. Each month for 4 months I called and had the charge removed (each call being at least 60 minutes..thank god for speakerphone) until finally one nice lady decided that it might be a good idea to change my credit card # and exp date so that it couldn't charge my card anymore. Wrong answer. Sure enough, the next month the charge appeared and so I called my credit card company and had them contact earthlink...and finally after 6 months no more earthlink charges. That's spectacular considering I didn't even have Earthlink service in the first place.
Agreed. I have TWICE encountered similar problems in the past with ISP's. In my case, the problems were with billing continuing after I had told them to cancel the service. Each time, contacting the credit card company got the issue resolved quickly and almost painlessly.
Once you contact the credit card company and tell them the charge is unauthorized, the monkey is on the VENDOR's back.
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
I've found that pretending you don't have a touch tone phone and holding to "speak to a customer service advisor" is the fastest way of getting through to a human being. It also works with utilities companies. :)
Martin Piper
Owner - ReplicaNet and RNLobby
This might work for ELNK and AOL, but a rising number of ISPs are inserting "clean-up fees" for customers who violate their Acceptable Use Policies.
They *might* turn around and bill you a few bucks per spam (which could add up rather quickly) and STILL not "cancel" your account, but simply suspend your ability to log in during their "investigation."
Specialization is for insects. - R.A.H.
From friends who used to work for AOL (all is forgiven!) I know that there's a department called "Stop-safe". These people have the target of stopping 50% of callers from cancelling their subscription. Quite a thankless task, I'm sure.
3. Can't get them to stop billing you.. call your credit card company and have them stop accepting the charges..
Oh, if only it were that easy. Allow me to relate a horrow story of a friend of mine that he had with MSN. After a few months of service, he decided to cancel and move on to someone else's service.
He went to their webpage, which actually had a cancellation procedure (whatever happened to those days? I smell a conspiracy!). However, after he entered his info and tried to cancel the service (by clicking the button on the webpage), the browser just hung, until the page timed out. He tried several times, but he could never get a cancellation confirmation page to load.
So, he called customer service and tried to cancel through them. They were happy to take his information, waste his time, and then inform him that they were experiencing computer problems, and they could not cancel his service at that time.
So, he called a few days later, and same story. He just kind of let it go, because it was just $20 a month, no big deal, right? So he calls customer service a couple months later, and their computers have since been up and running, but are now broken again. Yeah, a likely story...
So my friend calls Discover, and tells him that he wants to stop accepting charges from MSN. Discover informs him that these charges are recurring and must be cancelled with MSN, Discover cannot decline them.
In the end, my friend was forced to pay off his Discover card and then cancel it. Welcome to Hell, my friends, weclome to Hell...
Here's how it went using the earthlink support chat thing. Enjoy. Earthlink: Please wait for a site operator to respond. While you are waiting, please feel free to begin typing your issue in the box below. Try to be as descriptive as possible. Once an operator responds, click SEND to transmit what you have typed. Earthlink: All operators are currently assisting other customers. Thank you for your patience. An operator will be with you shortly. [this thing repeated 9 times, then...] 'JoselynR': Thank you for contacting Earthlink LiveChat. How may I help you today? me@earthlink.net: I'd like to try for like the 10th time to cancel my DSL account, and in fact, every account with earthlink. I haven't lived at that address since December, the pac bell line was cancelled, but yet my earthlink dsl account remains active (or so it seems). The credit card used for billing that account has been cancelled so you haven't been able to bill me (thank god). But you might as well cancel my account and stop sending me e-mails about it. Thanks! me@earthlink.net: hopefully your database is not "down" again... JoselynR: what is the last4 numbers of the visa JoselynR: card me@earthlink.net: I have no idea. The card was cancelled long ago. JoselynR: what is the password (since they are cancelling me I don't mind giving this to them...) me@earthlink.net: (xxxxxxxx). luckily i remembered! JoselynR: ok did you want dial up or cancel out the whole acct me@earthlink.net: the whole account please JoselynR: ok one moment JoselynR: Ok, I have set the account to close at the end of this billing cycle for you. Was there anything else I could help with today? c4nc3l JoselynR: the acct will close on 05-25-02 me@earthlink.net: Thanks Joselyn! You are the first person who actually could do it! Thanks! BTW, here's a story about another person's problems trying to close their account: it will be read by many people today. http://features.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/ 14/0138249&mode=thread&tid=95
JoselynR: You're welcome and thank you for using EarthLink LiveChat. Should you need further assistance, please feel free to contact us again.
me@earthlink.net: thanks. you (personally) get an A+
JoselynR: hhehhe
JoselynR: thank you
JoselynR: :0)
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and thus my relationship with Earthlink has ended...
When my wife tried to cancel her cell phone (she had gone to another service), there line of excuses went:
"We can't"
"We can, but it your contract must run the rest of the year"
"Maybe there was no contract, but there's a $50 service charge"
"Maybe there is no service charge, but you'll have to clear it with the Loyalty department"
At this point my wife is mentions how the Loyalty department has tones of "1984". The service representative says he never saw the movie. *sigh*.
The Loyalty department:
"How about another month's contract just in case you really do need it"
"How about a month's free service" (!)
"How about three months' free service" (!!!)
"Why do you want to cancel?"
"Can you give a better reason?" (!)
Finally, they refused to cancel the service for three months. They'd just stop billing us and if we didn't use the service, it would expire...
Now after all that (which makes for great anecdotes at parties, even if it took a while), they did actually keep their word and we saw no more bills.
I cancelled my Earthlink account after business hours in a whopping 4 minutes when I got my DSL, although I was sad to go because SBC/PacBell will never give me the same customer service as Earthlink. They even noticed I'd just been billed the day before for the following month and had it refunded.
As a consumer, business-person, whatever your reasons for wanting internet access, consider requests to verify your identity from your ISP before cancelling or making significant changes to your account a good thing- like when the sales clerk asks for ID when you wrote "SEE ID" on the strip on your credit card. People do actually try to cancel other people's internet service for revenge or a host of other reasons. Dial-up may be easy to restore, but if you went through the hell of DSL installation one time- well, when your circuit goes back into the phone company's "pool," you're screwed into it all over again.
I'm sure the customer records Mindspring turned over to Earthlink completely suck. Not to make excuses for the guy who might have been gruff with JonKatz, but in general, I suspect they are trying to make the best of a suspect collection of customer data from Mindspring- and imagine your annoyance if they cancelled your account instead of JonKatz's because the information they have on old Mindspring accounts is in mixed up.
And so it is said, and let it be so. I hate corporations that think they can write law into their account agreements and software license agreements. How the fuck can something in an agreement survive after the agreement is terminated? That's a logical impossibility. What it means to me is that there's no way to terminate the agreement completely. That's a dangerous precedent. I can see it now:
Section 3
You agree to remove any software that requires a Linux based operating system from all computers in your household. MS retains the right to perform on-site audits without any notice whatsoever.
Section 4
In accepting this agreement, you agree that your soul, if it does exist, belongs to Bill Gates.
Section 5
Without prior notice MS may terminate this agreement. You may terminate this agreement as well with written notice notarized, signed in blood, and hand delivered to customer service in Virginia.
Sections 3 and 4 of this Agreement shall survive termination of this Agreement.
With banks and credit card companies, press '0' five times seperated by about a half a second. This is what they tell mail order companies to do when they're calling to verify identity when charging to an account. Since the customer may be on hold while the check is happening, they put you through to a person immediatly.
It took me about 5 calls and 3 days to cancel my earthlink acct. Personally, I find it amusing that their "tech" support was 24 hours a day, but their "customer" service was only like 9-5. Further, I found it interesting that two of the tech support people I spoke to couldn't give me the customer support ppl's number. I, too, had to call the general CS number, and be forwarded to their cancellation dept, which apparently had no public number (from what their CSR's would have you believe). I also found it infinitely frustrating that the only people that can cancel your account are the least accessible. I tried emailing all their depts, the online chat thing (which did NOT work for me), and finally, calling every number I could get my hands on.
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I don't remember getting any bull about trying to keep me as a customer, but then again, when I'm talking on the phone, I'm like one step removed from pathological liar ("Um, I'm going to Africa for 6 months. . . I'm getting an OC3 installed in my apartment building. . . due to the nature of my employment, I cannot divulge personal information over insecure lines. )
Now that my new apt has a T1 line, I actually *enjoy* telling broadband telemarketer's the truth.
CSR: You do understand that Verison DSL can give you speeds up to 50 times as fast as dial up access, along with great reliability and consolidated billing with your local phone access.
Me: I've got a T1 line in my apt.
CSR: Well, in many areas, DSL service is faster than a Cable modem.
Me: No, I've got a T1. You know how you guys are an ISP, and you provide internet access to other people via your larger network backbone.
CSR: Er, yes...
Me: Well, that's what I've got. I could be you guys and offer customers broadband access from me. You could NEVER offer me access as fast as what I've currently got. *evil cackle*
CSR: Ok, thanks for your time *sniff*
Even if you don't have a T1, even if your still on dialup. I suggest ppl take this route w/ telemarketers. It'll give you an amazing evil/warm fuzzy all over.
This is where I get my recommended daily allowance of "Foot in Mouth."
Then you simply call your credit card company and tell them that you lost your card. They cancel the old one and issue you a new one. Problem solved.
The telemarketing company she worked for had been contracted by a credit card company ( Citibank I think but I'm not sure ) to take calls from people requesting that their credit protection insurance be cancelled. This is the insurance that will pay your monthly minimum balance for a period of time should you get fired or layed off, but not if you quit your job. The credit card companies charge a fee that is often more than the principle payed on your minimum monthly balance to your card so you do not see a big difference on your monthly bill, yet the balance increases even though you've been paying your minimum and not charging anything.
According to her most people who called had been shnookered into signing up by a fast talker when they signed up for the card and didn't even know they'd signed up for the insurance until they examined the bill closely-often years after being signed up.
The telemarkers that take the calls have minimum quotas ( make this or get fired or lose hours ) and incentives ( state lottery tickets and cheesy prizes ) to make 'saves'. A 'save' is a customer they've convinced or confused into keeping the insurance. Often this is done by saying to a customer that's been on the phone a long time and is tired some statements like that 'they would be happy to cancel the service if that is what you want' to get the customer saying yes and then 'We are glad to be of help in answering your questions and would be pleased to confirm that you have chosen to keep this service' the cusomer says 'yup' and then *CLICK* a few seconds later the customer sometimes realizes that they have to call the number again because they've been schnookered or they discover on their next bill that they are still signed up if they bother to look.
Being pissed off at a telemarketer and acting rudely is a good way to get them to say yes to everything you say yet keep you signed up. They can just claim that they hit the wrong key, and the job isn't worth much to them anyway. The telemarketing company doesn't have an interest in keeping this to a minimum as long as they have a scapegoat employee to 'discipline' if anything serious happens, and telemarketers know they can earn $6.50 - $7.00 / hr anywhere. About a third come in to work stoned and most are teenagers.
I'm sure AOL and Earthlink either contract this out or pay their own minions to do this. And since these kinds of tactics keep people signed up.
Eat at Joe's.
I wouldn't. Some ISP's cleanup charges can be pretty hefty. I seem to recall that Earthlink at one time said they would charge a cleanup fee of $1000 to accounts that were terminated for spamming.
caneling any service I had. Maybe I am the exception, and not the rule. I recently moved. I CANCELED, not transfered (I needed to have the service under a different name), the following services. AT&T Broadband Internet and AT&T Cable Television. Both gave me no hassles, just 10 or so minuets on the phone.
I once really upset a foreign national tele-marketer once with this technique.
I patiently waited each time for her query and stated "I am not interested". After saying this three times and all three times she acted like I had said "please continue". I then said "What's the matter? Do you NOT speak english?". I actually would have said it no matter WHO it was. There was a LONG silence (15-20 seconds, that's long for a tele-marketer) and then she stated "I speak english just fine sir". My reply was "Well, I wasn't sure because I stated three times very clearly that I was not interested." She thanked me for my time and hung up. I actually felt a little guilty.
I use the tele-zapper now but if it becomes a problem again I think I will start witnessing to them (for you outside the bible belt that means trying to convert them to Christianity).
Yeah, I first got cable trough Highway1 which became MediaOne after it was aquired (by SBC I think). Now it has become AT&T Broadband of course. Soon it will likely change a third time if Comcast is successful.
Each time it seems that either customer service or the quality of service takes a hit. I remember having a cheap MediaOne pen that they had sent to me. If someone wanted to borrow a pen that is the one I would lend them with the caution that it doesn't always work. They would always retort "Yeah, just like the service".
I tried calling AOL about a free trial after reading Jon Katz' story at 800-509-7538. In talking to them I asked where would I call if I wanted to cancel. The offer said I could cancel durring the free period and not be charged at all. The woman gave me a number that I should call, 888-265-8008. The person at that number said I needed to call another number, 888-346-3704, which turned out to be Tech Support. Tech support said I had to talk to the Billing Dept at 888-265-8003. The Billing Dept in turn said I needed to call 888-265-8008. I told the Billing Dept that I had already been given that number to call and that I wouldn't be signing up for AOL. So my little test did indeed corroborate Jon's experience.
BTW - AOL does not support Linux, I specifically asked them. So if anyone wants to cancel and gets asked why, just tell them that you have moved to a Linux OS.
Okay, I had Sympatico DSL using Nortel equipment. I was also paying for an ISP I _like_ for dial-up. Don't ask So, my ISP has recently add their own equipment in my CO, so I wanted to move my equipment/service. I signed a Letter of Authorization, and my ISP put in a provisioning request to Bell Canada to run a loop of wire in the CO to their cage.
What that was supposed to give me was POTS Dial Tone, plugged into Sympatico's Nortel Line Card, plugged into MyISP's Alcatel DSLAM, plugged into my pair that comes to my house. The Alcatel DSLAM was supposed to (and did) filter out the frequencies used by the Nortel, rendering that stuff dead.
The day the loop was provisioned, I lost Nortel sync, and my shiny new Alcatel modem got sync. Yeah! My sync rate went from 960kbps down to 1.7Mbit down, 128kbps up to 792kbps up. Yeah!
One week later, I lost sync. Long story short, the Bell tech that ran the loop for MyISP saw the Nortel gear, and escalated a discrepancy report to "upper techs". She was sent back to remove it, because it CAN'T work. Meanwhile, my shiny new static IP, and my high-speed service, and my domain, and my mail server and my web server and my... all went DOWN.
Bell refused to replace the loop to MyISP's cage, because it CAN'T work. So I called Sympatico. This was Feb1st. I was told that yes, I could cancel, but it wouldn't take effect, and I would continue to have service until the date of my monthly renewal; the 28th of the month. (!) Had I cancelled the day before, I would've been shut off within 48 hours.
I offered them extra money to please get their Nortel equipment de-provisioned off my line. I was told that no, I HAD to enjoy the rest of my month.
I escalated to tech support, with a fresh cancellation number. (These guys can put in trouble-tickets to Bell, why not de-provision tickets?) They can't.
I escalated to Bell Provisioning. Their computers didn't show my cancellation (well, duhh, they won't until the 28th!) They wouldn't deal with me because I didn't request the provisioning in the first place. Only Sympatico can request their equipment be pulled.
So who authorized the equipment I asked MyISP to attach be removed?!?
End of story: MyISP's owner knows the Bell tech who first provisioned the loop, and second pulled the loop. She agreed to go back out that afternoon and re-provision the loop, and make up some crazy paperwork later. While she was at that CO, she also pulled the Nortel equipment off my line, knowing that I'd cancelled Sympatico.
So, if you REALLY want things done, know people.
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It took my father more than two months *after* AOL assured him they would cancel his service for them to stop billing him for it. He had to call back again and argue for more than an hour to be credited...which took them 90days to run through.