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Smart Money Picks 10 Rising Careers

jonathanjo writes "Smart Money announces the ten hot jobs they see rising in the next decade. Among them, many familiar to slashdotters (wireless engineer) and several of those are of dubious ethical value (data miner, IP lawyer). "Forensic Accountant" even made accounting sound cool! But why oh why did I give up on being an Adventure Travel Guide to be a web designer? D'ohh!"

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  1. "Dubious Ethical Value" by CommunistTroll · · Score: 3, Insightful
    IP Lawyer...

    Sheesh, enough with the lawyer bashing already.

    Lawyers are just people like the rest of us with a job to do - sometimes their clients are wrong, sometimes right.

    Next time you're up against the RIAA in court, I'd like to see you decline a lawyer on the grounds that the job is of "dubious ethical value".

    I know it's oh so trendy to constantly attack the legal profession, but really. Grow up.

    1. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by Xerithane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Same thing with data mining. Data mining does not always have to do with someone finding your data. Writing data mining software is a lot of fun, at least from my experience and my opinion. Granted, I've only done it with DNA sequences and server farm metrics. But it really is fun to see what type of equations you can come up with to calculate various metrics.

      I know it's oh so trendy to constantly attack the legal profession, but really. Grow up.
      Do you remember where you are at? This is slashdot.

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    2. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by CommunistTroll · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Lawyers that represent clients in the wrong, are in the wrong themselves. No excuses.

      Who decides that the client is in the wrong? I would prefer to have a lawyer defend me in court to the best of his or her ability and have the judge decide whether I am guilty then be convicted by default because no lawyer will touch my case.

      Look up the Cab Rank Rule at your nearest Bar Association, then read through history of lawyers defending people who everyone knew were guilty; until the trial, that is.

      Until a judge and a jury of peers convicts me, I am entitled to a presumption of innocence and legal representation.

      Don't forget the legal representation bit.

    3. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by Chump1422 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Lawyers that represent clients in the wrong, are in the wrong themselves. No excuses.

      Yeah, nobody deserves to have someone looking out for their rights. While almost all litigators take their adversarial role too far and play to win rather than find justice, everyone needs to have an advocate. Even the guilty and evil. Without that, the system is corrupt.

    4. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by ObviousGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you say, "Lawyers that represent clients in the wrong, are in the wrong themselves," do you really mean, "The guilty have no right to a fair trial"?

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    5. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by Soko · · Score: 2, Offtopic

      IP Lawyer...
      Sheesh, enough with the lawyer bashing already.


      What? He's dead already? Okey dokie... *Puts down sledge*

      (Sorry - that one was just hanging there. I had to. ;^])

      Lawyers are just people like the rest of us with a job to do - sometimes their clients are wrong, sometimes right.

      I'm sensitive to a lawyers plight - at times they have to defend the undefensable, and do a good job of it. That being said, I'd rather they try to get the minimum penalty for thier clients when they know they're guilty, rather than allow criminal behaviour to go un-punished. Justice and all that.

      Next time you're up against the RIAA in court, I'd like to see you decline a lawyer on the grounds that the job is of "dubious ethical value".

      As long as my attourney is in it to prove my point, not just take my money, he's not of "dubious ethical value" at all. That goes for the one on the other side of the argument. Anyone who believes in thier cause and is willing to argue with reason it's merits, is not of questionalble character. The ones that just prolong trials in order to get thier new yacht are.

      I know it's oh so trendy to constantly attack the legal profession, but really. Grow up.

      When I see that the legal profession is only interested in justice, and not money and power, I'll put down the sledge, mmmmkay?

      Soko

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    6. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      In a criminal case, you do deserve a fair trial, and a fair defense.

      But if you think even 10% of civil cases have any merit whatsoever, I don't even know what to say.

    7. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Funny, why is it that so many judgments end up wrong, if they're only looking out for people's rights?

      Worse, why does it cost so much money when the judgment does end up "right", and it was painfully obvious that it was so, all along?

      And by far, the worst, if lawyers are just trying to protect people from injustice, why are the vast majority of them apathetic, weaselly, or just plain evil?

      Bonus Question: Of everyone in elected state or federal office in the US, how many hold license to practice law? (In percentage).

    8. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      I'm generally speaking about civil court. I'm willing to waste more of my tax money to make sure we aren't executing innocents, or allowing the guilty to go free.

      The litigious don't have a right to million dollar trials, just so they can ream someone else for the sake of malice.

    9. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure how to best protect the rights of both.

      I also believe that with every right, there is, or at least should be, a duty. People who ignore that duty, but ask for the "right" should be be considered very suspect, if not dismissed outright.

      Concerning point 3, I'm not wrong. Though I'd love to be proven so.

      Don't ignore point #4, it is by far the most relevant of all, not to mention the easiest to get statistics for. Think about it, if lawyers have a grave responsibility to be ethical, then those who become politicians should have an even greater burden. And yet, I don't think many would disagree, they are often the very lawyers who generate the most (quite justified too) contempt. Coincidence? Or do I have the causal relationship backwards?

    10. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by Xerithane · · Score: 2

      I take fun jobs, I'd rather work at some manual laborist position instead of taking a job like that. Personal choices though.

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    11. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by Omerna · · Score: 2

      I doubt it's possible to be a GOOD litigator and not play to win. It's a mindset that you need to have in order to be successful. For instance, almost all surgeons are extremely confident, almost arrogant, in their abilities- not just medical abilities, but in everything they do. (I've seen studies showing that, it's not saying you have to be arrogant to be a good surgeon, just that surgeons are, for the most part, very confident people).

      Anyway, you could argue that it's the same thing with litigators, that if the "play to win" mindset isn't there than they're in the wrong line of work. (And probably don't get a whole ton of business, especially not mine if I'm guilty or innocent).

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    12. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Lawyers that represent clients in the wrong, are in the wrong themselves. No excuses.

      There is an unfortunate level of ignorance present on slashdot regarding the role of a lawyer in society. The fact of the matter is that it is the job of a lawyer to be an advocate, that is to put forward the interests of his client. His opponent likewise has the same job. It is up to the judiciary and legal system to establish the guidelines for deciding the right and wrong in a case, NOT the lawyer. It is by this system that an individual gets his voice heard.

      Perhaps many lawyers defend causes that you don't like, however the fact of the matter is that without this tension in the advesarial process we have for our legal system both sides of the case would not get fairly heard.

    13. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by notaspy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A couple points.

      1) The vast majority of IP attorneys do NOT get involved in litigation. They advise their clients/employers on the patentability of their r & d efforts, try to get them useful (valid and enforceable) patents on their inventions, and help guide their r & d in lucrative directions.

      2) Most of these IP attorneys are just as frustrated and disgusted with the problems with the USPTO. If the PTO is going to grant idiotic patents, and our clients want them, many of us either won't or can't refuse out of principle. I can and do, but I'm also pretty damn poor for an IP attorney. On the other hand, I sleep very well at night.

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    14. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by cybermage · · Score: 2

      I have yet to meet someone who wants to practice law simply to help people.

      Hi. Now you have. After seeing the DMCA, I decided to return to school and become a lawyer. When I graduate, I intend to work as a public defender and donate time to OSS causes. Simple reason: While ignorance of the law continues to be no excuse, understanding the law is becoming impossible.

      Someone needs to protect people from government/business abuse of the law. I figure I can do more from within the system than from outside.

    15. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by leviramsey · · Score: 2
      Not a place to have each side see who has the most money to hire the better weasel. (O.J. Simpson - Ramsey ad infintum)

      How dare you tar me with the OJ brush?!

    16. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by Issue9mm · · Score: 2

      Agreed... further, it is not a lawyer's job or duty to "get his client off", rather, to provide that client the best possible defense.

      The best possible defense in some cases may get the client off, guilty or not, and in other cases, it might reduce their sentence, guilty or not. In other cases it may get them convicted, guilty or not, but that's another matter altogether.

      In my best estimation, lawyers _want_ to win, and so, tend to do a good job in defending their clients, which is what they're paid to do. Again though, they're not paid to win, just to put up the best possible defense.

      -9mm-

    17. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by Issue9mm · · Score: 2

      Here here. Congrats to you.

      Honestly, I'm considering it myself. With a highly technical background, I'm a shoe-in for tech IP law, except that I haven't any law background or schooling behind me yet.

      That said, I have two friends who are in law because they wanted to change the world, and make it a better place. I'm sure the money doesn't hurt, but at least one of the friends in question is barely making a living. He pays the bills and feeds his kids, but he's driving around in an 86 Buick Century, and his wife in an 88 Toyota 4-door. He's not raking it in hand-over-fist, and while his wife hates him for it sometimes (that he can't just sell out every now and again), he can truly say that he hasn't ever done anything that he doesn't agree with (in law, he used to be military).

      -9mm-

    18. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by MarkusQ · · Score: 2
      ...so my idea of "fun" may be different from yours? ;)

      No, data mining is great fun. Especially if you're working with auditors trying to figure out "where all the money went" or trying to put together the details of an catastrophic failure which shouldn't have ever happened (and consequently no one thought to check or log data for). It's very much like working in a mystery novel, or sometimes a farce.

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    19. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by TekPolitik · · Score: 2
      I have yet to meet someone who wants to practice law simply to help people.

      to which cybermage replied:

      Hi. Now you have...I decided to return to school and become a lawyer...I figure I can do more from within the system than from outside.

      Me too.

    20. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by Xerithane · · Score: 2

      Yes, and thanks for bringing those points up. The few IP attorneys I know are actually very cool, hard working and ethically sound people. IP litigation is bullshit, but I forget what those guys are called, iirc, they have some special name for the attorneys who represent clients in IP related lawsuits, don't they?

      I knew a patent attorney a while back, and he was probably one of the biggest critics of the USPTO. After talking with him for 30 minutes, I would trust me running the USPTO just off of his critiques and ideas for improvement... too bad he works for a DNA sequencing company :)

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    21. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      Same thing with data mining. Data mining does not always have to do with someone finding your data.

      Exactly. I don't think the editor knows what a data miner is - probably imagines it to be the digital equivalent of paparazzi sifting through a celebrity's trash, or a sleazy private detective spying on cheating spouses or something.

      Data mining is about finding patterns in vast quantities of data, looking for trends, extrapolating to support decisions. It's what data warehouses and OLAP tools are built for. Doing data mining means abstract thinking in n-dimensional cubes, graduate statistics, plus hardcore familiarity with the SQL parser of your chosen database, plus enough business savvy to not just fit curves but understand what the implications are. Data mining will always be a hot job, because it makes a big difference to corporate/governmental strategy, and very few people have the broad and deep skills to do it well.

    22. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by armb · · Score: 2

      > > Lawyers that represent clients in the wrong, are in the wrong themselves.

      > Who decides that the client is in the wrong? I would prefer to have a lawyer defend me in court to the best of his or her ability and have the judge decide

      (Or the jury). And even people who are guilty _and pleading guilty_ deserve a lawyer to argue their side where the severity of the sentence could be affected.

      Even where people are getting off "on a technicality", there are good reasons for technicalities like the rules of evidence, and if you want them to protect the innocent, you have to put up with the guilty getting away with stuff because of them sometime too.

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    23. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by BreakWindows · · Score: 2

      Funny, why is it that so many judgments end up wrong, if they're only looking out for people's rights?

      Worse, why does it cost so much money when the judgment does end up "right", and it was painfully obvious that it was so, all along?

      And by far, the worst, if lawyers are just trying to protect people from injustice, why are the vast majority of them apathetic, weaselly, or just plain evil?


      Lawyers use words like "speculation" and "hearsay". If you're going to throw around phrases like "vast majority ... are evil", provide some facts.

      Do you have the statistics for how many cases end up "wrong"? Are you well-enough versed, legally, to understand what "wrong" is? Sometimes the judgement sucks, but that's how it had to turn out and sometimes we don't like the ruling, though it is in accordance with the way the law was written. There are definitely times when the ruling was just plain screwed, but if you're suggesting they're in the majority provide some evidence.

      One reason it may seem "so many cases turn out wrong" is that you never turn on the nightly news and hear "and a man caught with the smoking gun was convicted of murder today. We all totally saw this coming". The only ones we here about are the sensational and racy ones our media thinks are worth reporting.

      How ironic, I'm defending the lawyer.

    24. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Sorry I didn't make this clear. I was referring to civil lawsuits primarily. I'm much more tolerant of criminal courts... can't be too careful, and willing to spend alot extra just to be sure.

      And suppose I'm a good little boy, and come up with rock solid statistics... what good does that do? At best I convince you, and there are 2 assholes on slashdot complaining where once there was one. I kinda like it how it is now, don't want to share the complaining.

      Or maybe you mean that if the statistics were real, and my reasoning was without flaw, someone in congress would sit up and take notice? Haha *LOL*.

      Ethics are the basis of law, which are only crude imitations. But, oh well... it was worth the karmic butchery to get to say what I did, even if I'm just another voice screaming in the mob.

    25. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by MadAhab · · Score: 2

      You have contempt for lawyers because you live in a society of laws. Try living in a lawless society for a while: arrests without charges, arbitrary seizures of property, police/security forces taking whatever they want, every public official demanding a bribe... You'll be begging to go back to the lawyer-run world you live in. It's not that we've eliminated corruption or abuse of power, but we've limited what it can do and provided a means for talking about it that may be just as ruthless underneath - and it's some lawyers I'm talking about here - but it's done with paper and not the butt-end of a rifle. Take your pick.

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    26. Re:"Dubious Ethical Value" by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      I sympathize with you, for not being able to imagine a world without either.

  2. They forgot... by blowhole · · Score: 3, Funny

    Judging from the Flash advert on the page, CHIROPRACTOR might be a promising career! Ouch!

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    1. Re:They forgot... by interiot · · Score: 2
      Here's a link to aforementioned flash advert, so you don't have to reload many times. Best if viewed at 336x280.

      The group is Cirque du Soleil. More photos can be found here and here.

  3. IP Attorney - dubious? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you eschew a profession because you don't like what is going on in that part of the industry, you throw away a chance to make a difference from within.

    You aren't going to change things sitting on your ass posting on /. or sending a few pennies to the EFF. If you really want to make a difference, study the law, pass the bar, put yourself in the position to affect change.

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    1. Re:IP Attorney - dubious? by Chump1422 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly. Much of my decision to go to law school (I'm starting next year) was based on what I learned here on Slashdot about the infringement on our rights by the wealthy and powerful. And I picked my school because it runs The Berkman Center, which is partially responsible for both creative commons and chilling effects. I'll be able to start working on what I care about as soon as September rolls around. Few other professions afford you that opportunity.

  4. My advice. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't go anywhere near the "top 10". 5 million high school and college guidance counselors will be herding the sheep into those fields in a few months. You could be a savant in one of those fields, and it won't make a damn bit of difference if the resume is lost in the flood.

    1. Re:My advice. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Last I heard, PhD's in CompSci are all but unemployable. Corps like cheap knownothing Bachelors degrees...

    2. Re:My advice. by Tazzy531 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To some extent that's true. But it's like that in a lot of industries. PhD in math, econ, etc. But a lot of major companies that have been around and know what they are doing (unlike .coms that were in it for the quickest bang for the buck), they have a group of PhDs that have the experience and are able to get things done right (not necessarily fast). For example, Google is the company that has the most PhD employees to total employee ratio. Intel, Sun, IBM, and many others have a huge supply of PhDs.

      Let's put it this way, your time and effort put into getting your PhD will be rewarded. Given a choice between a PhD and a fresh college grad, many employers will choose the PhD.

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    3. Re:My advice. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's kinda moot for me. I'm a high school flunky myself. I'm fairly certain the only demographic that has fewer job opportunities is "Vegetative Coma Patient".

    4. Re:My advice. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Nah, just means you'll never work at PARC. Write your own bleeding edge software...

    5. Re:My advice. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Well, there are fewer non-corp places to work for every day. I can say that without implying that you would *like* to work for one, I would think.

    6. Re:My advice. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      They won't close their doors. They'll just incorporate. Haha...

  5. IP Lawyer is bound to rise to the top... by edrugtrader · · Score: 3, Interesting

    our IP Lawyer's (2) account for 20% of my company's yearly revenue.

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    1. Re:IP Lawyer is bound to rise to the top... by doooras · · Score: 3, Funny

      you work for amazon.com?

    2. Re:IP Lawyer is bound to rise to the top... by edrugtrader · · Score: 2

      nope, a chip manufacturer with about 500 employees... we have a patent library and just going around suing people and licensing is VERY profitable.

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    3. Re:IP Lawyer is bound to rise to the top... by ahfoo · · Score: 2

      But how about something that is a cross between an engineer, a data miner and an IP lawyer and a programmer. That's what I'm starting to get into right now. One person taking on the USPTO database is like a chihuahua trying to screw a labrador though.
      The basic premise of my new enterprise is to faciliate what was supposed to be the good side of patents --distributing valuable data about commercially viable products and processes to future generations. It seems like this is one area that is totally overlooked. Everybody is concerned, and for excellent historical reasons, about the growing power of patents since the Reagan revolution (turns head and spits on the floor) when the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC) was formed and reversed the US policy that had protected American's from the monopolies that helped create the previous depression and could easily lead us into another.
      We Americans of free and liberal thought should be concerned and pissed off about this, but simply reacting and being critical is where the old left always gets strung up by these devious winner-take-all mentality losers who are just looking for a chink in the armor that they can whittle away at. The only way to win that name calling game as a liberal is to be like Jesus or Ghandi and walk away from it no matter how bad you want to fight back. It's the hard road, but it's the only way. Talking shit about lawyers is pissing in the wind. It gives them a hard on. The scariest thing to a lawyer is being ignored.
      So rather than fighting the power, just forget about those bozos. I think the productive thing is to do is to turn this patent lemons into a great big glass of lemonade. The promise of patents was that for the pain of a short term monopolies they would make abundant intellectual property freely available to all people over time. Well it's been a few hundred years now and nobody uses all this data except major corporations. The only use anybody has for patents is to control market positions, but they were supposed to be about sharing ideas way back once upon a time and lawyers and politicians still love to smirk and throw that shit in your face about how it's for the long term good of the citizenry at large, so if you really want to screw with them, make their rhetoric true.
      To this end, I'm spending some time going through the USPTO database and trying to come up with some lesson plans for teachers based on the material. So far, it's pretty tough. The USPTO database is an enormous source of data that must be fascinating in many ways, but it's got to be contextualized and organized in order to make it interesting for students. I was really bummed to find the SGML tools project was ended because a lot of the patent database is in SGML, but none of the older stuff is which makes it even harder to deal with. But who knows, perhaps patents really can be a good thing when coupled with the free flow of information made possible by open source technologies like the Internet.
      Honestly, I doubt it's true. I think it's gonna end in another depression unless the courts are reformed but the cat's out of the bag and it will take a major crisis to put it back. Last time it required a World War.
      But in the mean time I'll see if I can't come up with something relatively entertaining and informative to pass the time. If you've got any experience working with the USPTO's SGML, feel free to chip in on your experiences as I'm just getting started on this.

    4. Re:IP Lawyer is bound to rise to the top... by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > Where do you think the IP the lawyer sells comes from?

      Read between the lines. The guy says he works for a chip manufacturer with 500 employees, and the company earns all its revenue by suing people.

      In that case, about half the IP comes from the ANSI standards group, not the company's own engineers. ;-)

  6. Politician by Far� · · Score: 4, Funny
    Have a hot career! Be a politician! You can be in control of 60% of your country's gross income. You only have to be without scruple, a liar, or better, a man incapable of forming an opinion (thus you can't lie about it). You'll have to be a whore to public popularity - no demagogy is too small. You'll have to stand by the corporate interests of the political class: promote legislation as the magical solution to any and every problem in society. You'll have to be discreet about the way you privatize the money you extort from tax-payers.

    Politician - here's the career of the past, present and future!

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    1. Re:Politician by 56ker · · Score: 2

      Skills also required to be a politician: being able to not answer questions in an entertaining way while managing to make people think you have, giving speeches that people like whilst not actually stating an opinion or making any promises and ability to get corporate sponsors.

  7. Don't Pick a Career Because It's "Hot" by pnatural · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're going to work for the Man for 30+ years, you'd be better off finding out what you really love to do, and work towards being the best that you can be at that. Anything else says you're just in it for the money. That's certainly not a crime, but it will probably show in your work when compared to someone who really does love what they do.

    Just my US $0.02.

    1. Re:Don't Pick a Career Because It's "Hot" by datastew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My sentiments exactly. To succeed in a competitive job market, you need the extra edge that comes from having true passion for what you do.

      Back when I was in high school, the "hot jobs" of the next ten years always included "systems analyst." Being the contrarian that I am, I predicted a glut of "systems analysts" and tried my hand at Mechanical Engineering. Only after "surviving" as a Mechanical Engineer for four years in college and three years working did I finally admit that I was hard-wired to be a systems analyst.

      The moral: find what you love to do and ignore the Hot Careers lists.

    2. Re:Don't Pick a Career Because It's "Hot" by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      To succeed in a competitive job market, you need the extra edge that comes from having true passion for what you do.

      Yep. Smart. Able. Ambitious. First ones to disagree with office politics and the first to be fired.

      Jobs are not a market. It is a popularity contest. Only those who agree stay employed.

      find what you love to do and ignore the Hot Careers lists.

      Then, start your own company to do it.

    3. Re:Don't Pick a Career Because It's "Hot" by SocialWorm · · Score: 2

      I'm curious to know how career predictions from 1992 held up. 1982? 1972?

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    4. Re:Don't Pick a Career Because It's "Hot" by waldeaux · · Score: 2

      If you're going to work for the Man for 30+ years, you'd be better off finding out what you really love to do, and work towards being the best that you can be at that. Anything else says you're just in it for the money. Thatï½s certainly not a crime, but it will probably show in your work when compared to someone who really does love what they do.

      Heh - I've done that - twice. Both times the career I loved went nowhere because the $$$ dried up, and I had to start over. Now I'm pushing 40, and have almost nothing saved for retirement (I retire about when SS dries up - thanks Mom and Dad!), and none of my previous employers had anything like pension plans, etc.

      If you're under 30, go for the $$$, and BANK IT.
      Putting away $100 a week will take care of you 25 years down the line. Having a job you like is great, but not at the cost of everything else in your life.

      If you're over 30 - DEFINITELY go for the $$$ because chances are, it won't be there in 5-10 years.

      If you REALLY LOVE YOUR JOB, don't let them know - they'll just pay you less because they know you'll be reluctant to walk from it. Do a kick-ass job, but never let them forget that you expect to be compensated for that work, and compensated well.

      (Yeah, I know this sounds pessimistic. It is. When >1/3 of your well-educated, highly-talented and experienced friends are out of work for months on end, there's something wrong.)

  8. My pick would be by tcd004 · · Score: 4, Funny
  9. Forensic Accountant by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this the guys who show up to the Enron crime scene.

    Next week on CSI:Accountantcy the team will look at A.Anderson and then the Bush budget

    1. Re:Forensic Accountant by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      So if you were in a Monty Python sketch a regular accountant job would be a step up... at least you are dealing with live numbers.

      Thank you... I was kinda of joking but not really sure. Actually you should have gotten my +1 since you've informed me; at least I didn't have to look it up.

  10. Fuel-Cells being overhyped by lkaos · · Score: 2, Informative

    I seem to remember reading a Scientic America article a while back (I'd link but the charge for old article IIRC) about fuel cells and the problems with mass producing them.

    They work great and all for the space station and other speciality circumstances but they rely on a platinum core and therefore are quite expensive. Moreover, they had some statistics regardding how there simply wasn't enough platinum in the world (since it is so rare) for even the small amount needed for fuel cells if they were to go in every car.

    I remember reading too that it was quite unlikely that any other element possessed similiar enough properties to build a fuel cell with too.

    So I think it is a tad premature to say Fuel-Cell Engineering is going to be the next "hot job."

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    func((b += 3, b));
    1. Re:Fuel-Cells being overhyped by dhovis · · Score: 2
      This would be true if the only fuel cell design in existance was the one used on the space shuttle. However, there is a lot of work going into other fuel cell designs.

      Platinum gets used a lot when cost is no object (like the space shuttle), but other designs can be used which are much more cost effective. The design used on the Space Shuttle is radically different than the stuff that companies like Ballard, Plugpower, and Siemens are working on.

      Anyway, if there is enough platinum for all the catlytic converters in cars, there is probably enough for fuel cells.

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      The internet is the greatest source of biased information in the history of mankind.

  11. OT: Mike Tyson and 9/11? by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

    Did Mikey plan those bombings?

    He was convicted on 9/11/91...

    Check it out here

    I'm not suprised that Bush (or the Fox News Facists) hasn't sent him to Cuba since he is a follower of the Nation of Islam.

  12. Asbestos time. by saintlupus · · Score: 2

    why oh why did I give up on being an Adventure Travel Guide to be a web designer?

    Because you had no native talent for actual programming?

    [dodging thrown objects]

    Eh, what do I know. I got an English degree.

    --saint

    1. Re:Asbestos time. by sharkey · · Score: 2

      I got an English degree.

      Shouldn't that be, "I gots an English degree"?

      --

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      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    2. Re:Asbestos time. by saintlupus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shouldn't that be, "I gots an English degree"?

      No, "gots" would be a dangling funkulator in that sentence. For that context, it would be "I done gots me an English degree."

      Note the encasement of the "gots" by your standard funk brackets.

      [/sarcasm]

      --saint

  13. Enjoyment and skills=$$ by BerserkDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems to me, that if you truly enjoy what you do and are ,indeed, proficient in your field->you're already on the right path. I'm a case-in-point to that very statement. I didn't even graduate H.S.(Overexaggerrated rebelliousness)-But, because I enjoy what I do, and am damn good at it, I bring in more than most college grads. The "Hot Job" is what you make it.

  14. Pharmacist by ajakk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The one job that they didn't mention, which is EXTREMELY hot right now, is pharmacy. The booming number of elderly and the decreasing number of pharmacists has made the field extremely hot. I have even heard advertisements on the radio for pharmacists to switch to a different drug store. New pharmacists make can make aroun 90K a year.

    1. Re:Pharmacist by Tazzy531 · · Score: 2

      College + 2 years of pharmacy school. Don't need residence period neither that doctors have to go through after Med school...

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    2. Re:Pharmacist by Monkelectric · · Score: 2

      you hit the nail on the head dude. The longs drugs/payless's around here start pharmacists at 80/yr.

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      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    3. Re:Pharmacist by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 2, Insightful

      4 yr. premed (at a decent school, if you want a chance in hell of making pharm school). 2 yr. pharm school (memorize every drug ever made, ect).

      You will need a 3.7+ from premed to even get a shot at pharm school.

      You will work 60-90 hour weeks, and make 40-90k a year (avg starting is around 65k). If you want a 40-50 hr. work week, you will need to work at a hospital, and your pay will be just over 55k.

      It's awfully glamorized, but all the phamacists I know don't seem to be making a killing or enjoying thier jobs alot. Not to mention it's just about as hard as becoming a doctor, with exactly the same amount of competition for pharm school.

      You would have better luck earning the same becoming a PHB, unless you really think it's your thing (some people really like it, I've met 2 pharmacists who seriously enjoyed thier job), you should choose a better major because you will not enjoy it as much as you think, and the money isn't *that* great.

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      I live in a giant bucket.
  15. Hehe by jaavaaguru · · Score: 2, Funny

    I see the theme to the next ten Budweiser commercials here ;-)

    This song is dedicated to you, Mr Intellectual-Property Attorney

  16. Bioinformatics not all milk and honey by oingoboingo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bioinformatics sounds hot and it's certainly getting the hell hyped out of it at the moment, but from first hand experience, it can get pretty frustrating at times. What they don't mention in any of the glowing reports on the industry is the frequent brain explosions than can be caused by putting biologists and computer scientists in the same room for prolonged periods of time. Maybe it's just where I work and everyone's an asshole (or I'm an asshole), but trying to get the researchers and the computer guys to agree on anything is a fucking nightmare.

    I guess this is the same in any branch of IT (instead of biologists and programmers each trying to clobber each other into submission, it's your banker or manufacturing customer)...and I guess I'm especially sensitive to it at the moment. Oh well...something for newbies into the field to think about.

    1. Re:Bioinformatics not all milk and honey by evilquaker · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'm probably biased, since I'm a biologist who learned computers (or really a geek who's been playing with computers since the Apple II and the C64 and just happened to get a degree in biochemistry along the way), but I would say that it's the IT guys who have the hardest time adopting the biological point of view, rather than the other way around. We seem to end up with a lot of software that solves a non-existent biological problem, but does a great job of demonstrating some great algorithm that gets the computer scientists all boned up. I live in hope...

      I think you're biased, but probably right. :) In some sense, it's easier for the biologists because of tools like BLAST and Genscan. They can cobble together a solution based upon already reasonably good tools. And using test runs on small data sets, they can even come up with a good idea of whether their ideas are computationally feasible. (Even so, I've seen one of our biologists propose a computation that would take 6 months on 32 CPUs...)

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    2. Re:Bioinformatics not all milk and honey by Rinikusu · · Score: 2

      Might you give me some advice regarding this field? I'm a biology freak (evolutionary, behavioral, any, actually), but am also a computer geek (since C64 days). I've never taken any biology in College (well, I dread the inevitable "begging for a grant" that I seem to see a lot of), but am trying to go back. I'm graduating with a degree in IT:UNIX programming from the local community college, but now that there seems to be a nice private sector demand for biologists, what can I do to "steer" my UNIX programming knowledge towards a career in Bioinformatics (which seems right up my alley)?
      Thanks in advance... :)

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      If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
  17. Re:Bioinformatician... by Jonathan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bioinformatician, that is one COOL name.

    Well, we are indeed extremely cool. That can't be argued :-)


    ;) that aside...
    How benficial are these results? Who's to say it won't change in 5 years? What makes these hot, amount of money you can make?


    As people have already said, I do expect that eventually the field will be flooded now that there are actual degree programs in it. Today most of the people in bioinformatics are either biologists that have always been computer geeks (such as myself, programming Apple ]['s starting in sixth grade, but getting a doctorate in microbiology) or computer scientists who have managed to read enough biology papers to understand the subject (such as my boss).

    Basically, bioinformaticians are needed because molecular biology has entered the era of large scale experiments generating gigabytes of information. The traditional way of analyzing results by hand just doesn't work anymore -- it's a similar problem to what other fields of study such as radio astronomy have been facing for some years now. The difference is that biological information is more applicable to both the human quality of life and commercial gain than astronomy and so there going to be much more data to be analyzed.

  18. Platinum?no...Borax... by BerserkDog · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you truly read "Scientific American"->you'd have read the article in the May 2002 issue in the "Innovations" section about a company called "Millenium Cell". They've come up with a clever fuel cell system utilizing Borax which reacts with a catalyst to produce the hydrogen needed. This combo makes it much safer to fuel up your vehicle or whatever else you're powering.

    1. Re:Platinum?no...Borax... by lkaos · · Score: 2

      If you truly read "Scientific American"->you'd have read the article in the May 2002 issue in the "Innovations" section about a company called "Millenium Cell".

      You know, I got Scientific American for a few years but cancelled it about a year ago. I know the whole Scientific America vs. Scientic American gets people all antsy but to be honest, I never cared enough ;-)

      --
      int func(int a);
      func((b += 3, b));
  19. Hot jobs not necessarily a good idea by Sivar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Any one of these markets could collapse at any time and many look like those who hold the jobs command such high salaries becasue they are fairly obscure.
    Make a note of what happened to those who started their CS education when programming was the "hot job" in '98 and '99.

    Soesn't seem quite so hot?

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    Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
  20. Forensic Accountant?? by teslatug · · Score: 2

    What do they do, count body parts? *ewww*

  21. Next Week, Permafrost Jobs by guttentag · · Score: 2
    SOME THINGS never change: death, taxes, Cowboy Neal's hairline. But one that certainly does: the cold profession of the moment. Here are the top ten jobs you definitely don't want tomorrow:
    • ______ at a Promising Dot Com
    • Web ______
    • Venture Capitalist
    • Energy Trader
    • Artificial Intelligence Botany
    • Elvis Impersonator
    • ______ at Napster
    • ______ at Rambus
    • ______ at Be
    • Slashdot Troll
  22. top 10 things that didn't make the list by Cheeze · · Score: 4, Funny

    10. Paper shredder
    9. presidential intern
    8. respiratory infection nurse
    7. experimental microbiologist
    6. teacher (never makes any list, except for lowest paid/hardest working)
    5. suicide bomber
    4. Real World participant
    3. political leader
    2. President of Accounting
    and the number 1 thing that didn't make the list...

    1. bank manager for offshore accounts (not FDIC insurred)

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    Why read the article when I can just make up a snap judgement?
  23. Money is only a small fraction of the equasion by Infonaut · · Score: 2
    Amen!

    Just remember that you'll be spending at least 1/3 of your hours for those next 30+ years plugging away at work. If you pick something based on it's *supposed* high demand, that's fine, but don't expect to enjoy going to work. You might wind up becoming another whiner who is always bitching about their job.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that these predictions are made by quite fallible human beings. They're akin to the sub-.200 hitters of the technology forecasting crowd.

    Go with your passion, and your life will be a lot richer and more fulfilling. I'm sure such a sentiment isn't cynical enough for many people out there, but in my experience, it's true.

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    Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
  24. don't count on hot jobs by bm_luethke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hot jobs tend to be only hot in the short term. It's like deciding, right now, what clothes you are going to wear the rest of your life based on what is currently hot. Look at the web deseigners that only learned web deseign. They had a good run but unless they picked up more mainstream computing skills along the way they are probably looking for a job. Now they are lokking at someone in thier late twnties/ early thirties with a skill that has a glut of qualified individuals - all because it was the "hot job" of the moment. Now take a database person. It's not a hot job and probably never will be a hot job (i'm not talking data mining but deseigning/implementing/maintaining SQL databases). On the other hand demand is pretty high and will continue to be pretty high.

    It is important to remember when making these lists they look at NOW, not the long term viability of the job.

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    ------- Sorry about the spelling, I suffer from two problems. Dyslexia makes it difficult to spell well, lazy makes it
  25. Hot Jobs? by The_dev0 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Any old job really, just tack EXTREME on the front of it...

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    Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
    1. Re:Hot Jobs? by sharkey · · Score: 2
      just tack EXTREME on the front of it...
      • EXTREME Wall-propping
      • EXTREME Burger-flipping
      • EXTREME Jizz-mopping
      Wow, you're right. I bet even Randall would go for the last one.
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      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  26. Re:Bioinformatician... by Jonathan · · Score: 2

    Oddly enough, not a one of them calls themselves a "bioinformatician", preferring the more vague "computational biologist".

    Well, "computational biologist" has the advantage of being analogous to "computational chemist", a career with a good 30 year history to date. Additionally, some think that "bioinformatics" sounds too applied seeing how "informatics" is often used to describe the practical aspects of computing, such as networks and databases.

  27. Self-Employed by The+Cat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, someone has to provide jobs, and business certainly doesn't appear up to the task.

    Shoddy products, poor customer service, wasted budgets, inept management, constant layoffs. Eventually former employees will get fed up (and they probably already are) and start their own companies.

    A Renaissance of Entrepreneurship is precisely what the economy needs. Not more cubicles.

  28. Bioinformatics by Lictor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Things I was unaware of until the article's author enlightened me:

    - Bioinformatics == Computational Pharmacokinetics

    - Designing sophisticated algorithms requires only "familiarity with computer technologies" (I suppose being a professional astronomer requires only "familiarity with telescope technologies" too)

    - Bioinformaticians need graduate training in a biological science. This one scared the heck outta me... I *thought* I was a bioinformatician, but my graduate training is in computer science. Come to think of it... the great majority of 'bioinformaticians' I've met at conferences were CS grads. I must have been tricked into attending those fake bioinformatics conferences...

    - Journalists don't need to bother researching or providing pesky 'facts' in their articles anymore. Its OK to just make stuff up... right off the top of your head.

    1. Re:Bioinformatics by Jonathan · · Score: 2


      Things I was unaware of until the article's author enlightened me:

      - Bioinformatics == Computational Pharmacokinetics


      That annoyed me too. On the other hand, everyone seems to have a different opinion as to what the main problems in bioinformatics are. According to the O'Reilly books, bioinformatics is just writing Perl scripts to parse BLAST output...

      Come to think of it... the great majority of 'bioinformaticians' I've met at conferences were CS grads. I must have been tricked into attending those fake bioinformatics conferences...

      Well, I did a postdoc in a CS department (my doctorate was in microbiology), and there do seem to be a number of bioinformatics conferences that seem a little *too* much CS and not enough biology -- RECOMB is the classic example -- hardly ever is a practical problem discussed -- simply proving that some simplified bioinformatics problem is NP-hard doesn't cut it as bioinformatics IMHO.

      But at the more useful bioinformatics conferences like ISMB and PSB you'll find a good mix of people approaching bioinformatics from both directions. And sometimes it is hard to tell who is who -- most people would imagine that Hidden Markov Model guru Sean Eddy is a computer scientist, but his background is actually in experimental genetics.

    2. Re:Bioinformatics by Lictor · · Score: 2

      I heartily agree on all points. I didn't mean to imply that bioinformatics is/should be dominated by computer science... merely that a deeper knowledge of algorithms and the theory of computation is as essential as deep biological knowledge of the problem at hand.

      It has been my personal experience that my best work is almost always a result of a colloboration between biologists/biochemists and mathematicians/computer scientists. Thats what attracted me to the field in the first place... the opportunity for interdisciplinary research.

      As for the HMM's... no mathematician would admit to being a Markov Model guru. Far too much voodoo (by which I mean complexity, of course). ;)

    3. Re:Bioinformatics by DanThe1Man · · Score: 2

      According to the O'Reilly books, bioinformatics is just writing Perl scripts to parse BLAST output...

      What other languages and common computer processes do you do in Bioinformatics?

      I am a Junior undergrad and I was a computer science major but chnged to BioInfomatics (before I heard of it being a "hot job") because of my first love for Biological Chemistry. I am a BioChem major with a minor in CS right now and I am looking at BioInfomatics major for a masters degree.

      What else besides learning as much Science/CS should I do to prepare myself to compete with all the "my guidence conselor said this would be a good job" people? I am reading every Perl book I can get a hold of, includeing thouse said O'Reily ones on Bioinfomatics. What else should I be doing at this level and in the future?

      Thanks for your time,
      Daniel Jerome Broz

    4. Re:Bioinformatics by DanThe1Man · · Score: 2

      (sorry for basicly copying this from a pervious post, but since you didn't leave an email address, and the questions are the same, I had to)

      I am a Junior undergrad and I was a computer science major but chnged to BioInfomatics (before I heard of it being a "hot job") because of my first love for Biological Chemistry. I am a BioChem major with a minor in CS right now and I am looking at BioInfomatics major for a masters degree.

      I also have the option of going to medical school. If getting in wasn't a problem, what would be the better path to becomeing a good BioInformatic Scientist? I'm sure I could learn a lot more about the human body in Med school, and I could pick up the languages and structure of CS by myself. What do you think?

      What other common computer processes and languages, Besides Perl, do you use in Bioinformatics? What else besides learning as much Science/CS should I do to prepare myself to compete with all the "my guidence conselor said this would be a good job" people? I am reading every Perl book I can get a hold of, includeing thouse said O'Reily ones on Bioinfomatics. What else should I be doing at this level and in the future?

      Thanks for your time,
      Daniel Jerome Broz

    5. Re:Bioinformatics by Lictor · · Score: 2

      >I also have the option of going to medical school.

      If your true interest is bioinformatics, then I would hazard to say that medical school would be a massive waste of your time. People will hate me for saying this, but Medical school is essentially a trade school. It has very little do with science, and lots to do with aquiring piles of knowledge along with the tools and techniques to apply that knowledge. The thing is though.. its a *very* difficult and demanding trade school.

      If you are serious about pursuing a scientific career, you'd be much better served by doing the Master's degree which will expose you to wonderful world of doing new research (which you will not get at med school). Until you've tried doing your own research, its really tough to understand exactly how boring/frustrating/rage inducing/exciting/euphoric/fun/rewarding it is.

      Now, on the other hand, if doing bioinformatics and getting a nice fat salary is your goal, then med school might not be a waste of time. In my limited experience, MD/Ph.Ds get paid truckloads more money than straight Ph.Ds.. though the dispairity is narrowing these days.

      If straight bioinformatics is your goal, I would have a tough time recommending med school just because you will devote much time and energy to something that will have minimal value to your chosen career.

      >I could pick up the languages and structure of CS by myself

      This is a dangerous statement. Are you sure? Computer science is *NOT* (sorry for the shouting, but this is a very sore point for me) about programming. Bioinformatics research is also not about programming. Monkeys can write programs. Serious research in bioinformatics falls into many areas, but one of the major ones is designing new algorithms. Sure, at the end of the day you have to implement the new algorithm, but thats the trivial part. The hard part is coming up with the algorithm. If you don't believe me, write up a program and submit it to the journal/conference of your choice. If all you've done is implemented someone else's algorithm, it will not be considered new work and I can almost guarantee it will be rejected outright. (Now if you can *improve* on an existing algorithm.. thats definitely publishable. But whats interesting is the improvement in the algorithm.. not a new implementation).

      You could pick up the CS on your own, but it has nothing to do with programming languages. It has to do with analysis and design of algorithms, formal language and automata theory, semantics, complexity theory and so very many other things. Learning this on your own is a very tall order. Although looking back at your post... I see you are doing a CS minor. I suppose I should've read more carefully before I threw on rantmode. In any case, the text above still applies, but if you are doing a CS minor I would imagine you would *have* a lot of that background... so I'll just shut up on that topic now.

      For programming, I never use Perl for anything serious. BioPerl is great for parsing files and quickly formatting things, but for any serious work it is just too slow. Take a look at the major bioinformatics software packages (BLAST, clustal, etc.)... how many of them are written in Perl? None. Not one. Several have hooks so they can be called by BioPerl, but the programs themselves are usually written in a lower-level compilable language like C.

      BioPerl is wonderful for biologists who want to *use* the tools that are created by bioinformaticians, but its not always appropriate for the people creating the tools. Many bioinfo problems are very computationally intensive and every iota of performance you can squeek out is critical. Perl is a bit of slug when it comes to performance ;)

      As for actually answering your question (sorry, I tend to rant on at times), I'll tell you first what I tell my students: anyone with a decent computer science background, 24 hours and a reference manual should be able to learn a new computer language. That may be true, but its still less than helpful.. if you really want concrete recommendations: definitely learn C.. it is the king of performance and you will need it. Learning LISP, Scheme, ML or some other functional language would be smashingly useful, as some problems can be solved very elegantly using the functional paradigm (and for those that will say "functional programs are too slow!".. rubbish. Check out a modern ML compiler and then get back to me). PROLOG would also be great.

      In addition to BioPerl, you may want to check out Python/BioPython. In certain cliques, Python code is considered to be more scalable/maintainable than Perl code. I won't indulge in a holy war here, but I believe both have their advantages. (Though currently BioPerl is *far* more popular).

      As for what you should be doing at this level, personally I'd stop fretting about what programming language to learn. You're obviously a bright person, so picking up new languages is no big deal. No matter what language you learn today, you can count on the fact that n years from now it won't be trendy and all the buzz will be about [cool new language x]. What I'd focus on is the actual *content* of the field rather than the implementations. Read up on the basic algorithms (stuff like Smith-Waterman), take a look at genefinding (HMMs and neural nets), secondary structure prediction, and so forth. This knowledge will never go out of date.

      Finally, the disclaimer: Everything I've said here is a matter of personal opinion. I've been awake for well over 24 hours at this point and still haven't had my morning coffee.. so if the sentences even parse, I'll be amazed ;) The point is: take everything I've said with a grain of salt. So *I* don't think med school is necessarily the right path. That doesn't mean that it isn't. If med school is something that you really want to do, then do it! The bottom line is that there is no such thing as the "canonical path to bioinformatics".. and even if there were, there will still be infinitely many other paths.

      The only really good piece of advice I can give you is: do what will make you happy.

      I hope that was moderately coherent and helpful in some way =)

  29. Re:Oatmeal by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny
    Smart Money's 10 sinking careers:
    1. Crack Whore
    2. Day Trader
    3. Monica Lewinski's dry cleaner
    4. goatse's proctologist
    5. Arthur Andersen accountant
    6. Enron Executive
    7. Palestinian Suicide Bomber
    8. Taliban soldier
    9. Al Gore
    10. Slashdot spellchecker
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    Do you even lift?

    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

  30. A.I. Programmer by DarkHelmet · · Score: 2
    "You have to build in a personality, responses and realistic behavior for any characters you encounter," she says.
    That's funny. Why do you have to build a personality into something that's fake when so many real people I know don't have one anyway.
    Salaries start at $50,000 and climb to $70,000 to $80,000 after a few years.
    Now tell me, is that estimate real, or artificial?
    You'll need a four-year degree in either computer science with an A.I. specialty ...
    Oh yes, not to mention a LISSSSSSSSSSSTHP.
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    /^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
  31. Cab Rank Rule by JWhitlock · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to this website (about midway down),
    There is also a professional rule among barristers, known as the 'cab-rank rule', which is intended to prevent them taking on only those cases which they think they will win. The rule says, in effect, that provided a barrister has sufficient time and the necessary expertise, he or she will take on any case which is offered; like a taxi-cab at a rank.
    From this site:
    Chief Justice Phillips: The Cab Rank Rule shortly stated, is that it's the advocate's duty to act for and to do the very best for a client regardless of any personal feelings, and it really has its origins in the conduct and writings of a very famous 18th Century advocate in England, Thomas Erskine. Erskine was briefed to defend the famous pamphleteer Thomas Paine who was charged with sedition because he'd written some very rude things about the King.

    Erskine thoroughly disapproved of Paine and his writings but he was determined to represent him because he thought it was his duty to do so. In fact the King put a lot of pressure on Erskine to return the brief, and he refused, and the King punished him because he removed from him a very valuable office that he held of Attorney-General to the Prince of Wales.

    And I think, although other people had been acting in a similar way up to that time, it was Erskine's eminence - he was the most brilliant English advocate of the 18th Century - which brought about the universal acceptance of this ethical duty.

    It wasn't easy to find this info - most web sites that use the term are for lawyers, and assume that they learned the term at some point in law school. At this point, I will resist the temptation to say that any lawyer would define the term for you, for a small hourly fee.
  32. Re:wireless engineer here by seanadams.com · · Score: 2


    wireless engineer here - little under three years experience


    Wireless engineer? I looked at your resume, and it appears that you've done some web page design and sysadmin work. I don't mean to belittle your accomplishments, but according your your resume, an RF engineer you are not.

    Resume tip: web design buzzwords are OUT. They're actually big minuses on a resume. Start over and try to elaborate problems you've solved, money you've saved the company, and products you've developed. Remove the "co-" shit, and take credit for your work. Don't be bashful. Remove the stuff you did 5+ years ago, or at least exaggerate the hell of it to match your current experience. This isn't entirely disingenuous if you've got the goods to back it up.

    Also, make a few different resumes. HR folks spend about 2 minutes per resume trying to find something that catches their eye. So make a half-dozen resumes, each for a very specific position that you can fill. Don't mess around with the job boards - do your research and contact specific companies. Broad resumes that cover every possible position will NOT catch their attention. Research as many companies as possible - find out what they're currently developing, how well they're doing, and where they're hurting. Address their needs directly, and you will get the job.

  33. The best of both worlds. by MongooseCN · · Score: 2

    Let's see, I'm a software contractor now so I could switch that over to AI programming, but I also ride my bike to work through rush hour traffic in Boston every morning, so could I be an Adventure Travel Guide too?

  34. Can't Choose?! Chemical Engineers do it all! by Salis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, except for the rare athletic, daring, and adventurous ChemE (all three of them ;), maybe being an Adventure Guide is out...

    But ChemEs can do the rest!

    Seriously, graduating with a ChemE degree, I can pick from four of the 'hot' jobs listed:

    IP Lawyer, Bioinformatician, Fuel Cells, or Data Mining.

    Really, data mining & bioinformatics are basically the same. Bioinformatics assumes you have a working knowledge of biology & biochemistry and can apply it to computer programming. But, it is much easier to learn biology than it is to learn data mining. But, without a very good mathematical background (Partial Diff Eqs, etc), you can kiss being an exceptional data miner out the window.

    People underestimate the utility of mathematics. :(

    Salis

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    Favorite /. tagline: "On the eighth day, God created FORTRAN." And it was good.
  35. Meaningless Titles by nathanh · · Score: 5, Funny

    I really hate the over-inflated titles that computer mechanics keep giving themselves. I'm sick of seeing business cards for Software Engineers and Network Architects.

    So what's next? Computer Surgeon? Information Astronaut? Why not go the whole nine yards and call yourself a Software Deity or Network Visionary?

    I want to see some realism in titles. The person paid to maintain legacy COBOL should be called a Code Janitor. The person who designs networks should be called a Network Foreman. And anybody who writes code should be called a Software Author.

    But please, enough with the self-aggrandizing titles.

    1. Re:Meaningless Titles by Kintanon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hmmm... So I should get rid of my 'Network God' business cards? Man! And I really liked the seraphim and trumpets I got with them...

      Kintanon

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    2. Re:Meaningless Titles by squaretorus · · Score: 2

      The finest titles I saw on business cards in the past couple of years:

      Chief Entrepreneur
      Code Jockey (this guy was a grade-A twat)
      Architect (he just dropped the 'software' from it, coole enough guy, but so far up his own arse he could fart dandruff off his shoulder)
      The Man (this guy was boss of a smaller software start up. Didn't want to be MD, Boss, whatever - so 'the man' - again, cool enough but beleived the hype)

      But yep - couldn't agree more - sensible titles all round please - why not just all be called 'coder'?

    3. Re:Meaningless Titles by ProfBooty · · Score: 2

      Software evangelist is my favorite, Cisco has a bunch of them.

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  36. Where is... by ArcadeNut · · Score: 2
    Prostitute? I would think that job would be on the RISE all the time...

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  37. Accuracy? by asv108 · · Score: 2

    How can anyone accuratly predict what the top 10 jobs will be in this decade. Does anyone have a list of so-called hot jobs from 1992? I doubt they mentioned anything dealing with e-commerce.

  38. Dubious Ethical Value??? by Compulawyer · · Score: 2
    IP lawyer! Give me a break! Last time I checked software companies made money by SELLING software. IP laws are the only things that protect intangibles like software and allow companies to actually realize a return on their investment.

    Uninformed people complain about software patents because they are "bad." No one ever quantifies "bad" or defines "bad." They simply label patents as "bad." What these people reason from is the flawed premise that because something is easy to copy (i.e. - I can write code to do that) that it is unworthy of protection. They could not be further from the truth.

    Without IP laws there will be no innovation. History discloses thousands of inventions that are easy to copy. It is precisely because someone CAN copy an invention, getting the benefits without the development costs incurred by the original inventor that the patent and other IP laws exist.

    Flame away ... I'm expecting a karma hit. But I'll keep writing those software patents and suing the theives (yes -- THEIVES) who infringe them anyway.

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    1. Re:Dubious Ethical Value??? by Kintanon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Flame away ... I'm expecting a karma hit. But I'll keep writing those software patents and suing the theives (yes -- THEIVES) who infringe them anyway.


      No! Not 'THEIVES' you imbecile, Thieves! And the lack of IP laws didn't stop Leonardo De'Vinci from inventing a whole SHITLOAD of stuff, nor did it stop anyone before him. If you do something first and you do it best, you'll make money off of it, regardless of whether someone else copies it later. So quit bitching.

      Kintanon

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    2. Re:Dubious Ethical Value??? by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      Of course I'm an imbecile. We all are. >:) But I've seen it spelled both ways from semi-reputable sources, so I tend to use both.
      As for inventing and making money, your grandfather made the cardinal mistake, he tried to get rich quick by selling the invention to someone else instead of making it himself. If you invent something, you should then begin to produce it, or go to some bankers and get a loan to start a company which produces it. You don't go showing it to people who can then copy it and use it. You DO IT YOURSELF.

      Kintanon

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    3. Re:Dubious Ethical Value??? by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      Then their motive isn't to make money is it? It's to invent stuff. If they want to make money they should find a partner who will market and produce their inventions. Not try to sell them off to corps for a quick buck.

      Kintanon

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  39. Careers They Never Told Me About by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    When I was a lad, I was quite good at catching lizards and spiders and creepy crawly things. Fifteen years after I decide on a career in IT, I tune into Animal Planet and they've got several folks on there who make a living catching the biggest damn lizards you've ever seen, along with all sorts of other creepy crawly things. If ONLY someone had TOLD me!

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  40. Nice Fucking Timing. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Funny
    Christ. Both my parents are Speech Pathologists, andd have been for the last 30 years. Where was the HOT JOBS List 20 years ago? Then I could have gotten to ride to school in a Porsche instead of a rusty Ford truck.

    Everyone can take the hot jobs and shove them up their ass.

    If you want some real jobs with growth potential for the future, here's a real list.

    1.Terrorist
    2.Undertaker
    3.Disney Congresswhore
    4.Presidential Oil Rig Tech
    5.Media Manipulator
    6.Political Aide Professional Killer
    7.Infomercial Producer
    8.College Athlete
    9.Fuck You
    10.Hot Jobs List Maker

    Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.

    Mod it up your ass, I'm pegged at 50.

  41. CVS? by jcsehak · · Score: 2

    I want to be a Corporate Visionary Strategist, so I can prove my mom wrong -- you can get paid for daydreaming all day.

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  42. Example of a good software patent? by BCoates · · Score: 2

    All we ever hear about are obviously bogus software patents--ones that ignoring the "software" issue, are just new patents on old ideas. Do you have some examples of good software patents, describing a new, non-obvious software invention? Either ones you've worked on or just others you've run across...

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  43. Everyone - quick!! by Mr.+Foogle · · Score: 2, Informative
    Everybody, quick, stampede off to school and learn the skills you'll need to succeed at any of these jobs. You DON'T need to have passion for what you do - the money will be soooo good.

    See, CNE, MCSE, the crop of lawyers that graduated in the 90s etc. etc.

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  44. my recomendation by ProfBooty · · Score: 2

    Get an engineering degree, this will allow you to enter nearly any field. if yoy want to continue in the tech field get your ms/phd in engineering, but if you want to make more money and can read and write well or are interested in managing people, get your law degree or mba.

    Very few engineers enter these areas, and you can make aton of money. Your engineering degree shows that you can think rationally and logically, skills which apply to other areas than design.

    Most engineers aren't engineers their whole lives, at some point they move on to management, as your knowledge isn't as up to date (unless you keep it up to date via classes degrees etc). Getting an advanced degree in something else just opens more doors.

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  45. Re:Meaningless titles - to a degree by Dirk+Pitt · · Score: 2

    Gimme a break. This is just snobery. Are you a PE? What's that? There is no professional engineer testing given by the NSPE for CompEs? Most MechEs and some EEs wouldn't consider you an engineer either then.

    Most CS guys call themselves engineers because that's what most of them do--engineer computer software. They aren't doing theoretical research in the field of algorithms or other pertinent fields, they're designing and building complex systems.

    As for different mindset, different coursework, where did you go to school? I have a BSE (and now ME) in CS, that was granted to me from an ACM accredited institution. I took digital design classes, automata, diff eq, physics for eng, and many of the classes that the CompE guys took. Those guys had more specialized hardware courses, as I'm sure you did, like heat transfer and signals, and I had DB theory, compiler theory, etc.

    Now, certainly there are still non-accredited so-called CS programs that grant BS degrees through arts and science schools, but before you scoff at the guy who calls himself a software engineer, keep in mind he might have more credits earned from the engineering college, and if you earned your degree in four years probably more co-op time, than you.

  46. Re:Meaningless titles - to a degree by WinDoze · · Score: 2

    (Disclaimer - I have a coupla CS degrees)

    A colleague last week remarked how any degree with the word "Science" in it is anything but, and is just trying to sound more impressive. Hence, "Social Science", "Political Science", and "Computer Science".

    Not that I agree being a CS-type, but it made me think...

  47. Lawyers?! by cornflux · · Score: 2
    America has been called the most litigious society in history, so there's no doubting the need for lawyers. But intellectual-property attorneys-specifically, patent lawyers-have the sunniest prospects of all.
    I guess I'm the only one that thinks fewer lawyers would be better!

    Too bad patent examiner didn't make their list. Eisntein would be proud.

  48. Re:Rising in the next decade by pyrrho · · Score: 2

    interesting. anonymous, coward, gee, I wonder who you could be.

    anyway, what's the matter with weasel's posting in forums from work? How is it different than a cigarette break? getting up to get coffee? stretching? how is it different from any kind of break?

    furthermore, I don't know about you but many people often continue work extra hours from home (oh, yeah, sallaried employees don't have "hours"), have to have cell phones and pagers to keep in touch with work 24 hours a day. So what's your point again?

    I think weasels that never accomplish anything and are years late on their promises is a much bigger problem!

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  49. Law.com article on IP laywers by scubacuda · · Score: 2
    Law.com has an article about schools offering LL.M. degrees in intellectual property as a way to try to catch the latest wave.

    Taken from Smart Money:

    America has been called the most litigious society in history, so there's no doubting the need for lawyers. But intellectual-property attorneys-specifically, patent lawyers-have the sunniest prospects of all. Every burgeoning biotech firm has to patent its research, weave through regulations and fend off competitors trying to steal its work. Intellectual-property-related squabbling is rising in the software and engineering worlds, too. "Legal recruiters are saying demand is going to remain high in the future," says William Seaton, founder of legal careers site Emplawyernet.com. Starting pay for business lawyers ranges from $60,000 to $86,000. Intellectual-property attorneys, says Seaton, can make 20 percent more.

    How to become one: In addition to your JD, it's good to have a technical bachelor's, such as chemical engineering. And for patent work, you must pass a special federal bar exam.