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Slashback: Swiftness, Ender's, Streams

Slashback entries tonight convey updates on the upcoming Ender's Game movie, one (of many) dissenting voices about impressive network bandwidth, Ogg at the Beeb, and Cool Chips. Read on for more, and enjoy!

When it comes to records, context begets significance. Fandu writes: "In regards to the article about the new internet2 land speed record.. That is not correct, The Canadian CA*Net3 network is about 60X faster still. It may be a net speed record for Internet2, but it's certainly no new internet speed record. See the ABC Article about the network from a few years back and the NOC webpage."

And no one is in line for tickets yet? flea writes: "So, fans of orson scott card (to whom I was turned onto by luna) should be happy. The books Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow are on the track to being made into a movie. Script is being written and OSC is involved in the process. It's being made by Wolfgan Petersen, who has a few hits and misses (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Petersen,+Wolfgang); Air Force One and Outbreak are, well, ya know ... To his credit though, he did Enemy Mine, the movie with Louis Gossett Jr. playing the speach impediment'd alien trapped on a rock after a battle with Dennis Quaid and then LGj gives birth (wtf). C'mon, we all liked that. Anyway, it hasn't even started filming yet and the script isn't done, but things look good. More info here."

Speak up for Ogg Vorbis! SgtChaireBourne writes: "The BBC's testing period for Ogg Vorbis is now finished, but they are still soliciting feedback.

Now's the chance to add any words of encouragement to the BBC regarding Ogg, especially since, perhaps by oversight, RealOne (formerly RealPlayer) is now only available for Windows 98, 2000, ME, NT and XP. Currently, the download page for older versions seem to turn up empty for all requests for Linux versions, but deep links can still get you there.

As far as I can tell, the BBC is the first large (or even medium) news service to try Ogg. Here is last year's announcment on Slashdot about the start of the test."

"Sounds cool." blocksetter writes: "Cool Chips plc appreciates the interest of the Slashdot community. We've made an effort to address the points raised in last week's discussion of our technology and we've posted the resulting FAQ on our site. In the interest of conserving bandwidth, a text-only version is available for your viewing pleasure. We would like to thank everybody whose questions and criticisms inspired us to do this.

If there is something we haven't covered, you can also write directly to Cool Chips President Isaiah Cox, or to myself, Company Wonky Chris Bourne."

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  1. Ender's Game Awaited by totallygeek · · Score: 4, Interesting
    How many times have we heard that this will be made into a movie and then nothing happens? Is there serious money behind this project yet?

    1. Re:Ender's Game Awaited by Dragon218 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I don't really want to see the Ender series made into a movie. There is more to that series than just a kid fighting some aliens. The first book would be ok to see, but it will probably lose the political edge that was put in by Valentine and Peter.

      The other books in that series are more along the lines of metaphysical texts. The whole aspect of religion and first contact and the concequences that go along with it. I thought they would be honored more to stay on text.

      As far as the Ender's Shadow route... there is more hope for that series to (once it ends) make it on the silver screen. More of a political thriller / mystery, Ender's Shadow and Shadow of the Hegemon would appeal to people that don't really enjoy science fiction.

      It's really rather ironic. I was reading the Ender's game series (Speaker for the Dead, etc.) while on a religious retreat (curse you catholic school!) and the Ender's Shadow books around the September 11th events. I guess fate was all about putting me in the mood for these books.

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    2. Re:Ender's Game Awaited by aWalrus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought they would be honored more to stay on text

      I think those should never be made into movies. I don't know about the rest of the slashdotters, but personally, apart from "speaker", the rest of the series seemed to lose its appeal. The characters were really, REALLY annoying. You meet them, you hate them, keep hoping they'll get better when they grow up, and they just keep on getting more and more obnoxious. Also, the sci-fi on the latter books gets just too metaphysical for my taste. The explanation for the instant space travel is just... flaky. The first book was really good, though, and shadow was so so.

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  2. Ender's Game by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Man, I hope they find a lot of good child actors. With the exception of the sixth Sence and the City of Lost Children I have yet to see an excellent job done by a child filling a more adult personality.

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    1. Re:Ender's Game by 3Suns · · Score: 3, Funny

      Short a few good child actors? Pschaw... just CG 'em! I thought Yoda did a pretty darn good job in AotC...

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  3. I thought I might add... by cscx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now's the chance to add any words of encouragement to the BBC regarding Ogg, especially since, perhaps by oversight, RealOne (formerly RealPlayer) is now only available for Windows 98, 2000, ME, NT and XP.

    WinAmp has support for playing Ogg Vorbis files.

    Funny someone would name an encoding format after a caveman...

  4. transgaming by ukyoCE · · Score: 3, Interesting

    transgaming is awesome software! I've just been playing Warcraft 2 (Battle-net edition, the old one was DOS and needs Dosemu), Deus Ex, and Counter-strike. All without leaving linux, and all *with* the ability to change workspaces to talk in Gaim while I'm playing (in between rounds of counter-strike can get tedious, after all).

  5. Forgetting some films? by SmackDown · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wolfgang Petersen also did Das Boot, one of the best war movies of all time. (IMHO) This could be a spectacular film under his direction.

    1. Re:Forgetting some films? by TotallyUseless · · Score: 4, Funny

      I dont think The Neverending Story was as gripping of a war movie as Das Boot.

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  6. Wonky? by avalys · · Score: 3, Funny

    What an unfortunate job title...what the hell is a 'Company Wonky'?

    I bet that looks real good on a resume.

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  7. Re:realone player by moronic1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    instructions and link to get it: RealOne
    There is NO direct link to the download because of the registration process.
    Here is how to get it:
    1) Goto http://scopes.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html
    2) Fill in the form and Choose Linux 2.x (libc6 i386).
    3) click on "Download Community Supported Player"
    4) Don't click on the normal download links. Go look at the very bottom of the page. You will see
    " RealOne Player for Unix - Preview Release If you would like to try the alpha version of RealOne Player for Linux 2.2 x86, use the button below." 5) Click on that button and download

  8. Who is luna? by Hatter · · Score: 3, Funny
    So, fans of orson scott card (to whom I was turned onto by luna) should be happy.

    Who is luna? Are slashdot submissions going to have shout-outs in them like MTV's TRL now?

  9. Re:Ender's Game... ugh by WotanKhan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ya know, I had the same impression the first time through. Borrowed it with a batch of high-fantasy sci-fi from a friend, read it in a couple days, and thought it was a nice piece of fluff.

    It was after reading Speaker for the Dead and being totally blown away, that I went back and reread Ender's. The second time through, I noticed the themes and characters had much more depth than I'd perceived the first time. It really is quite well though-out, prophetic and moving. The ending section (after battle school) is a bit rough though, and contributed to the weak first impression.

  10. Ender's game movie? by RESPAWN · · Score: 3, Funny

    So they're finally going to do a movie based on it? Oh great. Yet another movie for the slashdot community to bitch about. ;)

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  11. Ender's Game Movie - Don't Hold Your Breath by donnacha · · Score: 5, Interesting


    The long developmental time for films is a frustrating and, sometimes, sad thing. One of our greatest writers, Philip K. Dick, died just before getting to see the screen adaptation of his fabulous novel, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.

    That was particulary sad because, as told in Lawrence Sutin's excellent Divine Invasions : A Life of Philip K. Dick, this would have been a self-vindicating landmark in a life tortured by schizophrenia and criminal disregard by literary critics.

    It's worth noting that Douglas Adams also died after years trying to get a film of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy off the ground.

    1. Re: Ender's Game Movie - Don't Hold Your Breath by donnacha · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Fabulous? You've got to be kidding. I bought the book after being blown away by the movie Blade Runner. After reading "Do Androids...", my only thought was how did they make such a great movie out of that huge, steaming, stinking pile of doggy poo. The book is beyond bad. It's dreadful. It's crap. It's major shit. My god, I can't believe I wasted a couple of hours of my life on that garbage!

      Perhaps it makes more sense to read Philip K. Dick's stuff sequentially, starting with his early short stories. That way you can get into his deliciously paranoid mindset. He was the pioneer and absolute master of that unique sense of foreboding that made films like Blade Runner and Total Recall so interesting.

    2. Re: Ender's Game Movie - Don't Hold Your Breath by warmcat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am on the side of the original poster, Do Androids... is an excellent book filled with great ideas.

      Dick turned down big bucks when the studio wanted to suppress the original work and put of a piece-of-shit 'book of the movie' based on the script instead. That took guts and integrity on his part.

      However, I'm not surprised that if you came to the book through the glitzy movie which homogenized the ideas in the original, you were disappointed. IMHO it doesn't reflect well on you that you would have been happy with a rehash of the script in the book (what would be the point? You already saw the film) and not the challenging and valuable document you got instead. :-(

    3. Re:Ender's Game Movie - Don't Hold Your Breath by dazed-n-confused · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The long developmental time for films is a frustrating and, sometimes, sad thing. One of our greatest writers, Philip K. Dick, died just before getting to see the screen adaptation of his fabulous novel, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", Ridley Scott's Blade Runner.

      That said, he apparently *loved* the bits of the unfinished film that he was shown. (My source: the rather excellent book "Future Noir: the Making of Blade Runner", by Paul M Sammon).

  12. RealOne Player Here by eviltypeguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is NO direct link to the download because of theregistration process.

    Here is how to get it:

    1) Goto http://scopes.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html
    2) Fill in the form and Choose Linux 2.x (libc6 i386).
    3) click on "Download Community Supported Player"
    4) Don't click on the normal download links. Go look at the very
    bottom of the page. You will see

    " RealOne Player for Unix - Preview Release
    If you would like to try the alpha version of RealOne Player for
    Linux 2.2 x86, use the button below."

    5) Click on that button and download.

  13. More importantly by BeBoxer · · Score: 5, Informative

    The land speed record is not how fast your network is in aggregate. It's how fast and how far you can push a single pair of hosts using TCP. How fast the backbone links are on CANet is entirely irrelevant. Lot's of big providers have links running at OC-12 or OC-48, both of which are faster than 400Mbps. Abilene itself routinely runs links at over 400Mbps 24/7. Check out the graphs

    But how fast an aggregate link is isn't the point. It's how fast you can send data from one computer to another. If you've ever actually tried to send data at over 100Mbps on the WAN, you would know how hard it is. To get 400Mbps requires the link to not only be fast enough, but to have essentially zero loss. And to get several networks that are that clean, especially to Europe, is pretty amazing. If you don't believe me, try sending a CD's worth of data across your room at that speed. Never mind sending it across the Atlantic Ocean.

    1. Re:More importantly by Vireo · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you don't believe me, try sending a CD's worth of data across your room at that speed.

      Done. I broke the jewel case though.

  14. This script thus far is HORRIBLE by ShieldWolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am a huge fan of the book but has anyone read the scriptment that OSC put up on the net? Ughhhh it was BAD It sounded more like Wing Commander than Ender's Game. Anderson is turned into a woman, Bean is more prominent in order to do the sequel (sidequel), Peter and Valentine are removed from the story altogether. The P and V thing I understand, a lot of the other stuff just shows how bad a FILM writer OSC is.

    my $.02

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    1. Re:This script thus far is HORRIBLE by howlingfrog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Keep in mind that a 100-page book tells about as much story as a two-hour movie. Ender's Game is more than 300 pages. Some stuff has to be left out or changed. And also keep in mind that the very early draft that Card put online three or four years ago is NOT "the script thus far." It was written before he realized there were enough good child actors to keep the focus of the story on the children, and before he wrote Ender's Shadow.

      Anderson is turned into a woman
      So what? Point to one place in the book where Anderson's gender makes the slightest bit of difference. In a visual medium, Anderson works better as a foil to Graff as a woman.

      Bean is more prominent in order to do the sequel
      Bean is more prominent because he's an interesting character. Card regretted not doing more with him in the first place, that's why he wrote ES. Exploring the superficial similarities and subtle but important differences between Bean and Ender is interesting enough to warrant combining EG and ES into one movie--Card originally planned to do them separately.

      As for Peter and Valentine, the reason EG is the book Card is trying to get filmed, instead of some of his other wonderful novels, is that the main storyline would work as a movie. Peter and Valentine aren't part of the main storyline. In Card's original short story, they didn't even exist. The story works without them, and their subplot would make for pretty boring cinema--all they do is talk and write. There's some stuff that works better in text, and some stuff that works better in drama. Peter and Valentine are firmly in the former category.

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  15. BBC Ogg streams by Dicky · · Score: 5, Interesting
    At least one of the BBC Ogg streams was still running 5 minutes ago because I was listening to it on my iPAQ...

    It's really nice to get quality radio on a non-traditional device. I should mention that I'm posting this from my iPAQ too :-)

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  16. What does the name "Ogg Vorbis" mean? by cpeterso · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to someone on the Vorbis User and Discussion List, "Ogg Vorbis" is named after the "ogg tactical maneuver" in Netrek and Vorbis after the Terry Pratchett character from the book Small Gods.

    What does the name "Ogg Vorbis" mean?

    First, Vorbis was taken from a character of an ''exquisitor'' in the book
    "Small Gods," a title in a series of Terry Pratchett fantasy novels.
    Formally, Vorbis is the name for the specific audio compression scheme used
    to create Ogg Vorbis files. It is ultimately part of the Ogg Vorbis CODEC
    project (a branch of the overarching, open-multimedia Ogg project), which is
    headed by Christopher Montgomery and his team.


  17. Nooo! Not Ender's Game! by jayed_99 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Francis Ford Coppola *might* be able to turn Ender's Game into a good movie. I have strong doubts that any other popular Hollywood director could.


    The thing that makes Ender's Game such a great book is that the small unwashed masses of alienated, hyper-intelligent geeks could truly empathize with Ender on an emotional level. We can understand his trials and feel his pains. We can also understand his pyrrhic victories. The rest of the books are good (for the most part) but that visceral sense of identification gets left behind. And, in Ender's Shadow, Card tries to shift that sense of identification from Ender to Bean. He fails miserably. He comes closer, yet also fails with Qing-Jao.


    In the first book, Ender's Game, Card forges an emotional envolvement with Ender. (Well, if you're an alienated, hyper-intelligent geek anyway). The rest of the books in the initial series -- Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind -- are good. He comes closest to reforging that emotional link in the Xenocide/Children of the Mind sub-duology with the character of Qing-Jao. He doesn't quite make it though...I can truly empathize with a braniac with no friends, an obsessive-compulsive super-braniac is a bit beyond my league.


    He repeats himself in the sub-duology of Ender's Shadow and Shadow of the Hegemon. Yes, Bean is super-smart. But he's a genetically engineered human. Card has once again taken what worked with Ender and altered the character so much that readers can't truly relate.


    Damn, I've been rambling. The point that I'm trying to emphasize (out of the many points that I've made) is that the appeal of Ender's Game is that readers could honestly and wholely identify with the main character. I don'think that the same sense of identification will come across on the screen.

    1. Re:Nooo! Not Ender's Game! by Mandelbrute · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Francis Ford Coppola *might* be able to turn Ender's Game into a good movie. I have strong doubts that any other popular Hollywood director could.
      It's just as well that they are not using a Hollywood director then - they are using Wolfgang Peterson. Sorry guys, but Hollywood has hit a low point, probably due to creative control by uncreative people that want to rip off writers, directors, the public, the IRS etc, while being more interested in copying what the other studios are doing or remaking sitcoms than making something watchable. Most of the best of the recent "Hollywood" productions are made somewhere else with Hollywood money (eg.LOTR, Matrix, Ep2), and have managed to escape whatever it is that stifles Hollywood movies.

      Lucas and Speilberg didn't get to where they are by being good directors (but I'm not saying they are bad directors), they got there by playing the Hollywood game. Even after "Alien", Sigorney Weaver had to go through embarassing auditions that closely resembled a casting couch (for her role as a businesswoman in the film "Working Girl"). Hollywood isn't about movies anymore, it's just about greed and profit. Enough ranting, I'm sure someone will post good counter-examples to give me hope. Strangely, a lot of the best Hollywood films I've seen lately have been about why Hollywood is bad (Timecode, Jay & Silent Bob, etc).

      Ok - more ranting. At least while Hollywood is a corrupt cesspool it lets other countries profit by making the movies there. People in the USA shouldn't worry, it's not as if any taxes would be paid to the USA, and it's not as if long term jobs would go to those that are not relatives, cronies or willing to humiliate themselves for a chance anyway.

  18. Quality of BBC streams by galaga79 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I never got a change to try out the BBC Ogg Vorbis streams (because my net connection is a mere 56k modem shared to 3 computers) I am quite interested to hear how it would have sounded with the encoding settings they have used. Below is a quote from the BBC website explaining the settings they used.

    Currently there is a Radio 4 stream, and two Radio 1 streams using different quality settings to ices. The _low is using -q 0, whilst the _high is using -q 3. I'd be interested to know if anyone can tell much difference between them (challenge for all you audiophiles out there :)

    Now I have been mucking around with Ogg Vorbis for a few months and I have encountered some quite impressive results. On my website I have music downloads and I store them at -q 2, which equates to a nominal bitrate of 80-96 and in my opinion is on par with a MP3 using VBR ranging between 112-160. At this setting it still has a few minor artifacts but for the most part they aren't noticable and thus makes a good setting for free music downloads.

    Furthermore I encode my CD collection at -q 5 and on my decent stereo and headphones I can't tell the difference between the original CD and the Ogg Vorbis track. For those interested this stores my guitar based music at an average bit-rate of 160-190 and electronic at 190-250 roughly speaking.

    Anyway long story short, from my past experience it sounds like the high quality stream at a quality setting of 3.00, which I am guessing equates to a nominal bit-rate of 135 or so would have sounded pretty darn good. Definitely better than FM reception and perhaps almost as good as CD quality depending on the setup used. Can anyone verify or comment on this?

  19. Re:Children in adult roles. by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3, Funny

    Unfortunately, that child actor got caught in a temporal anomaly and has aged nearly ten years since then...