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Quartz Extreme Demo Movie
Anonymous Coward writes "The Swedish web site MacNytt has a QuickTime demo of Quartz Extreme (the graphics acceleration technology in the upcoming Mac OS X "Jaguar" release). It is impressive footage, truly impressive. Now I can watch DVDs at a microscopic level!"
I'd really like to see this, I don't suppose there's a version available using a standard, cross-platform codec anywhere?
Is your browser retarded?
either that, or my adsl connection just went down. something tells me it's the former.
/. sites from the subcategories now (like apple.slashdot.org). I think we need a /. mirror of every page that gets linked or something :)
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..manage to mirror it before it went kaput?
Quartz Extreme looks absolutely incredible.The rendering and compositing is fast as hell. Though I as of yet can't think of any practical reason for the zoom function other than as a "look at what my operating system can do that yours cannot!" type of feature. Can't wait to get my hands on a copy.
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i cant wait for X.II (10.2)
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It's pretty damn impressive. I think we've seen yet another advance in GUI technology from Apple.
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but otherwise that waw a little annoying.
Are they going to "fix" Perl, that's what I want to know.
This
http://members.cox.net/ronin4701/QuartzExtremeTest riktigfil.mov
t ri ktigfil.mov
http://clem.mscd.edu/~grahamry/QuartzExtremeTes
While it's true that these not very old machines will not be able to take advantage of Quartz Extreme they will however greatly benefit from the overall speed improvements of 10.2 (.5?), even in every day Finder operations.
The blackout of the DVD has nothing to do with the graphics card -- DVDs are blacked out to prevent people from infringing copyrighted material.
:)
The DVD window isn't actually black -- it's a dark shade of ugly green and the system uses something to replace that with the DVD footage. In OS9, you could set your desktop graphic to this color and play DVDs on your desktop.
To confirm that you can take screen shots of graphics that are accelerated in the graphics card, I took a screen shot of iTunes showing a psychedelic animation inside a window. The screen shot shows the openGL graphics as well as the desktop and other windows.
That machine is ancient in Mac-time. You don't see me griping about not having HW acceleration on a Lombard do you? No, I went out and bought a DP 800 G4 so I could play too.
Why is it that you purchased a machine with a cripple mobile graphics card and then were surprised to discover its limitations?
This isn't just a mac thing, it happens in Windows too. Unfortunatly.
Quartz extreme is *not* meant for everyone. It is lucky that Apple is releasing it this early at all; Microsoft's fully accellerated GUI is more than a year away, likely more than two. Unaccellerated Quartz is still very fast and very advanced - still unlike anything any other OS has.
Also doing text on GL has always been a bit weird - lining up pixels and so on is kind of awkward. Unaccellerated Quartz will always be there, and always be reliable. It's not like Apple is suddenly making OS X only work on these video cards.
You're not going to expect Doom III to work on these machines as well, are you?
That's just like those damn ID Software people that keep putting out new games that make us buy new video cards!
Anyway...one clarification:
You forgot "to its fullest extent." Read the Quartz Extreme specs again, and pay special attention to the word 'recommended.' Look it up if you need to.NetInfo connection failed for server 127.0.0.1/local
The zoom feature is actually one of the new accessabiltiy options for persons with poor eyesight. It is not really related to Quartz Extreme except that its part of the same system update. Jaguar has a whole bunch of neat features for people with impairments
Actually, the green area is used for video overlay, and the primary purpose is speed.
The lack of screenshot capability is a side-effect of the fact that the video isn't going to the screen through the normal route (but the DVD forum does prevent player companies from working around this).
The old-school key command screen grab won't work while the DVD player is running. (it just beeps at you...) Using Grab actually pops up a warning telling you that it can't grab anything while the DVD player is running. Bummer eh? Snapz Pro can grab shots from a DVD though... so what does that mean?
So, you can't do lots of cool little tricks. Jaguar does have plenty of other graphics optimizations. I've seen it fly on iBooks. It's simply faster. OS X has up until now been worked on for functionality, not speed. Now Apple's optimizing it, and it is crazy fast. CRAZY FAST.
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Well, lets think for a second that maybe not EVERYBODY in the world has your wonderful vision.
In fact, many people with handicaps are prevented from using computers because they can't distinguish the shapes on the screen. Intensive magnification of the screen contents allows these people to use computers effectively.
The zooming is actually magnification of the screen, I think the really nifty part that they were trying to show was the real time zooming on a DVD image with no slowdown of the dvd frame rate. ( I believe they were pausing the dvd here and there, I could be wrong)
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One little very minor touch up though: Cox.net Mirror [http://members.cox.net/ronin4701/QuartzExtremeTes triktigfil.mov]
MSCD.edu Mirror
[href-"http://clem.mscd.edu/~grahamry/QuartzExtrem eTestriktigfil.mov]
There were some spaces that snuck into the URLs. For those whom they don't work for, just take out the space after the last "t" in "QuartzExtremeTest" and they should work fine.
It was just a nasty surprise to read about how sexy cool Quartz Extreme would be until I'm drooling, then get all of those dreams dashed to pieces by brutal, brutal reality. Such is life.
Hardware graphics acceleration for my Pismo is not an unreasonable request!
Sorry, but it's a hardware limitation. QZX requires a graphics accelerator chip that can handle non-power-of-two textures.
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No, that's the translation of "Minimum Requirements" :)
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Yes, how dare Apple develop new technology that utilizes the latest (and future) hardware to its fullest!
Exactly! I am still upset that Apple is adding AltiVec enhancements. If iMacs and iBooks cannot benifit from it, Apple should never start adding it to the OS until every machine offered by Apple has had at least a G4 for at least a year (so as to prevent anyone from yelling "But I just bought my iBook six months ago, and it will not support it!")
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All indications show that Jaguar will offer a speed-up for non-QE capable machines.
Perhaps Apple could have written QE with the Rage Pro in mind. I am guessing doing that would seriously prevent the major speed-up we are going to see instead. Doing so would be ignoring the increased bandwidth offered by AGP 4x and the increased capabilities of having 32 megs of VRAM on-board.
I am glad to see Apple writing software for the future with the past in mind, but not driving development.
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What I would really like to see Apple do when they launch Jaguar is to drop the price on OEM video card upgrades for those of us with Rage 128s and who need an ADC connector. I love my studio display, but I now this makes me wish I had just bought a standard dvi display since the only place to find ADC compatible video cards is through Apple with their absurd prices for old OEM cards or Ebay.
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Here's a better one. It's 20mb. Someone please MIRROR it as I don't want to be slashdotted.
http://207.182.242.235/jaguardemo1.mov (right click and save is probably wise).
I made that a few days ago (posted the link on macrumors), to see if that QE video was for real. It was, but there are some issues with sound. My footage has sound, so you can hear when it cuts out. QE is not as wonderful as the original video made it seem, but it isn't bad either. There's also a comparision at the end trying to do the same things under 10.1.4.
Again, please be kind and mirror that video.
Is there any project to bring an equivalent feature to linux ?
...
links anybody
There was also a demo shown (I can't find it now though) of the OpenGL Teapot and some other figures floating around on the screen. They were infront of a DVD and the DVD was reflecting on them. It was pretty awsome.
The transparent terminals on top of the DVD are pretty cool too, although I think the biggest improvement that QE will bring is the increased speed.
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If you're implying Quartz Extreme will work, but perform poorly, on non-Radeon/GeForce>2 hardware you are incorrect. Older cards just use plain 'old' Quartz. It's the video RAM that the recommendation speaks of, suggesting 32MB. I know for a fact that Quartz Extreme doesn't work on lesser cards; I'm using Jaguar on my late 2001 iBook right now.
If you're not implying that, sorry, please disregard this post.
I have a late-2001 iBook too. How does Jaguar work on it? Are scrolling and window-resizing faster, even using "plain 'old' Quartz"? That's what I want to see.
Now for the random screenshots...
Startup Disk. The only place where the OS is refered to as "10.2", thus feeding the "10.5" rumours.
Lots of new Jaguar Stuff. New System Preferences, About This Mac, iChat, Terminal, About QuickTime...
Aqua Blue Beachball. The new spinning cursor.
Anyway, if you want to know anything specifically, post here...
The way graphics cards get DVD video onto the screen without going through the screen RAM is a nifty trick called "gen-locking" or "chroma-locking." The DVD data goes to the graphics card in a separate channel and is combined with the video from the raster chip before being sent to the screen. So the ugly shade of green (my ATI card uses pure magenta) that you get in your screenshots is the key color.
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> Anyway, if you want to know anything specifically, post here...
Mostly, I want to know if the user interface feels more responsive. On my late-2001 iBook with 10.1, whenever you drag a window corner to resize it, the screen redraw lags behind the mouse by a second or so, so if you move quickly, you end up with the window corner running an inch or two behind the mouse, and eventually catching up when you stop moving the mouse. (Interestingly, if you drag quickly and stop suddenly, the corner never catches up with where the mouse is -- the corner sits where the mouse was a couple of steps ago, until you give it another mouse event by nudging the mouse or releasing the button; then it redraws in the right position.) This lag happens most in window resizing, especially in Internet Explorer or OmniWeb with complex windows. But it also happens to a lesser degree when resizing Finder windows or scrolling any window.
When the system doesn't respond immediately to mouse movements, it makes it feel sluggish, and it kind of grates on me. This lag even happens on a newish G4 PowerMac I use at school, although the response on that machine is good enough that you hardly notice it in normal use.
Is this any better in 10.2?
Screenshot is a supported feature of InterVideo WinDVD (yeah, it's not Mac, but it's still a DVD player)... just press the "P" key, I think. The DVD forum didn't prevent them from adding that feature...
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This is the OpenGL call to copy a block of pixels from the frame buffer.
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I have seen many people say they have tried Jaguar, but I can't seem to find out where these people are getting it. I checked apple's developer site and it wasn't obvious. Do you have to pay for it, be a journalist who writes about computers or what?
Everything I've seen seems to point towards this direction, espically the SGI merger rumour, and now I see that the windows manger is being implemented in Open GL full time, You have to start woundering.
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