Personally, I won't dismiss it until I have seen the actual implementation. For all we know the gif is of a subbed scene that involves ongoing dialog. including someone saying the name of the move (battle anime's do love repeating the names of the moves, after all). The answer shouldn't be hard for a human viewer to determine, just hard for automation. If their site has hit on an approach that does that for their new users, more power to them.
But, of course, this just means that everyone has to run both AIM and SameTime.
Not [necessarily] so... check oheck out the meanwhile plugin for gaim. I've been using it for a couple of months now and have had no issues, but I'm just using it for your basic chat... there may be fancier ST protocol stuff it hasn't implemented that you need.
I had just been thinking yesterday that I wish I still had my "What a Wonderful World" news page. I had a service at the time which let me build a page using a set of keywords, so I made one with "genocide" "death squad" "ethnic cleansing" and on and on. It was a great dose of perspective.
The Google thing seems to only let you set up one list of keywords, all of which must all appear in the article, however. sigh... that will not do
The thing that annoys me about being on rails is that you still have to wait for loads. They know where you are going and there are plenty of times when you are listening to dialogue, etc. where some preloading of the next stop could be done. As load times get longer and longer in games they get to be a real distraction from the experience. It's going to be a pisser, but games are going to have to start doing rolling loads to get around it.
right, but CS and DoD and that kind of multiplayer is not at all like the co-op he is talking about, so it doesn't rate an "um." beginning. I prefer doing co-op multi with my friends, too, so I can understand his disappointment. Having said that, HL2 in co-op would be kind of strange, I think. Not because the option of an us against the universe kind of deal would have been impossible, but because, as you point out, the HL2 story that Valve chose makes it impossible. It involves lots of movement that could only work properly with one person, etc. That's not something I knock Valve for doing... there was no economic sense in doing otherwise.
Actually, if someone managed to come out with a mod like that it would probably be pretty funny (like the action HL mod that let Gordon slug the scientists, etc. in the single-player game), but it couldn't be like playing HL2 anymore.
Laugh, I would say. While both laughing and crying are versatile enough to be used regardless of whether it is a time of great happiness or great sadness, laughing is definitely more "out there".
just when I had finished compiling 2.4.25 on my systems..
Anyone who "just finished compiling" the latest release of their favorite kernel tree is all set (assuming the installed it), since this "new kernel vulnerability" is only new in the/. sense. I would think that people who are super-concerned about such things would recognize that in reading the bulletin.
Did I read the security bullentin correctly
No, you did not.:-( When it said...
2.2 up to and including 2.2.25, 2.4 up to to and including 2.4.24, 2.6 up to to and including 2.6.2
...you mistook the 2.2 for a 2.4 and thought that it effected your 2.4.25 kernel.
If IBM is dedicated to "free" distros, I would think Debian would be more appealing than Redhat/Fedora.
IBM doesn't seem to be dedicated to "free" distros in particular. I expect that SuSE will look attractive to them at this point, but I have no idea how they make their decisions.
This is a popular misconception.
Count the number of non-free packages available from Debian.
Now count the number of non-free packages in Fedora.
In case anyone missed the transition there, we are comparing "available from" to "in". If the comparison was apples to apples, we'd have to say that Debian as no non-free packages in it, since main is the official distribution, and they have always been careful to keep main separate from non-free and contrib. FWIW, past comments here by Bruce Perens make it look like non-free may not even be "available from" them in the future. They obviously realize that they leave themselves open to characterizations like yours simply by making the other stuff available via debian.org.
It's kind of a pain if the site doesn't actually put the actual mms link somewhere in their page so you can start those players with it. For sites that feed you the link through intermediaries, you can use plugins for mozilla (mplayerplug-in and
a xine equivalent). It's even more of a pain if they do browser identification and so on rather than just feeding the mms link to the browser, since you'd have to spoof whatever it is they are expecting.
Using xine or mplayer to handle audio-only streaming content feels like a kluge, though, I guess I also wish they had gone the ShoutCast or
IceCast route, instead.
I don't understand why more people don't like Gentoo.
Apparently more people do like it, that is why it ranked as second fastest growing... the "growing" part means that more people like it than before. Maybe you meant that you wanted people to like it more than Debian? As long as there is a viable Gentoo community, and there obviously is, who cares if even more people chose to use Debian on servers? To each their own.
personally I think the complaints about special bricks is based on envy that they didn't have them to play with when they were kids... I once held that view, but changed it when I fitst played LEGO with my son
So you actually envied other people who got to play with the more recent LEGO products, until your son let you play with his? If you envied them, why didn't you just buy some earlier?
I had always assumed that I preferred the more generic blocks partly because they were what I was used to and partly out of the curmudgeon instinct. Well, and partly out of the belief that I am right (godammit!) but that could just be the curmudgeon instinct kicking in...;-)
Yeh, you can directly order them, but are they in the shops?
That probably has a lot more to do with how the toy stores want to use their shelf space, than some decision by Lego, itself. I personally agree that only having the model sets visible seems like a mistake, but I have no evidence to back it up. I would assume that stores stock based on what sells, but it may well be that Lego pushed the other lines since they saw their future in that direction (or to try to cover the licensing costs). Even on shop.lego.com makes it is harder to find the buckets than it is the model sets, from the top of the site (unless you already knew about what the "Make & Create" line refers to).
Since the late 70's all Lego sets I've owned have contained specialised pieces.
You'll note that the previous poster didn't claim otherwise. You are, perhaps, arguing that there were as many then as now? Good luck.
I will point out that people who want more generic blocks can still get them at http://shop.lego.com/department.asp?d=19&t=7.
It's not the same (for Lego, anyway) as having an assortment bucket out in front of consumers in the toy store, but at least you can get them if you need more pieces.
Terminus (space sim type game, Linux, Mac, Windows one purchase), a joystick (analog) makes the game much more enjoyable.
That's for sure! Of course, I discovered that after I'd played the campaign through. Using the arrow keys to target something moving in 3 dimensions was a challenge... but not a very interesting one.:-P
They definitely have a blindness for anything smaller than a SUV
It seems like this can't be the case since many cars are smaller than SUVs and yet I, just to pick one example, am frequently able to see them while driving.
I don't see a link to the actual article, but I wonder if the author has any real evidence of this forking, or is he simply working from arm-chair philosophies?
I wondered the same thing. There's 20+ years of experience with forkable source-available projects to draw from... it's not like its such a new thing that we need a researcher to theorize about how it might work for us. My personal experience is that I would vastly prefer to have a fork than to have a product that doesn't do what I want. If this guy really sees one of the big plusses of OSS as a red flag, I think that says a lot more about his value as a source than it does about OSS.
Yeah... I know that reaction. My in-laws have things they abhor for seemingly arbitrary religious reasons, but cards aren't among them. When they are coercing people into a game of canasta, though, I usu absent myself by looking disappointed and saying, "ah... the Devil's calling cards again."
And I am equally grateful I'm not as stupid or condescending as you are
ah... who would have thought I'd see the day where someone was grateful that they are more stupid or condescending than someone else. Surely the end-times are near.;-)
And to be honest, your post so too lacking in any substantive thought to be worth much of a response
And, appropriately, you didn't provide much of one. Still, even if you are effectively a troll you are at least putting some work into your posts, so let's do this...
Slashdot, being somewhat overrun by liberals and left-leaning "thinkers" are often champions of diversity
Hm... not sure I buy that (especially the last part), but whatever...
-- so long as the diversity goes along with what the crowd wants. Quite often it's posted that we should accept the racial, sexual, and national diversity without question, but when it comes to ideological differences, no diversity is to be tolerated. Toe the line. Say the right things. Nod like everyone else. Linux good, Microsoft Bad. Open source good, anything else bad. Naysayers are trolls who pollute the purity of our collective brilliance. What a bunch of hypocritical hogwash, and I'm not the only one who notices it here.
Here's where you really blow the suspension of disbelief. I understand that you have seen Fight Club and feel that your eyes have been opened about how the pathetic sheeple need to be shaken up and all, but why do you talk about the/. environment as if it is something unique? Surely you realize that any collection of one or more humans also features "hypocrisy". You mention noticing it here as if that act of perception is a sign of insight but, to me, the fact that you think noticing it in any one place is special is a sign of inexperience and immaturity. That you feel the need to also point out that you are "not the only one who notices it here" is not only pathetic on a personal level, it also indicates that you knew your posts on the subject were redundant before you made them.
What really makes it lame, however, is that you aren't even noticing a good case of it. You don't understand that people aren't asking you to "Toe the line. Say the right things. Nod like everyone else."... they are telling you to "Go 'way, kid. Hit the road. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out."
I'm sure that is a distinction that will, at least initially, be meaningless to you since you will simply consider my tendency to be bored with your pointless, redundant, and cliched posturing to be "intolerance" and, therefore, "hypocrisy". There is, in fact, a huge distinction. In the case you present, an effort is being made to force an individual to conform to a group. In/.'s case, OTOH, intellectual diversity is being championed. Let many flowers bloom on the Internet! If you don't like the kind of chat that goes on here, there may be some other site better suited to your style and level of discourse. If there isn't, go ahead and start one!
That would be consistant with the other sorts of diversity that you seem to think that/. is championing. Tolerating "sexual diversity", for example, doesn't mean that I have to be "challenged" by being forced to watch sex acts in my living room that I would personally consider perverse. It just means that I shouldn't try to force other people to conform to my opinions on perversion, and that I shouldn't try to interfere with them doing their thing elsewhere, out of my living room. If I support that notion, it isn't because I am an inherently tolerant person, it is because I believe that it is only though tolerating other people's choices that I can have a reasonable expectation that I have done my part to ensure that my choices will likewise be tolerated by others.
So, even though I don't care for Madonna, I don't have a problem with people having a site that features discussions that are pro-Madonna. I also wouldn't have a problem with them telling you to take a hike if you decided to hang out there to enlighten and challenge them with repeated fluffy posts (in your self-important teen-angsty style, of course) revealing to them that you have seen through them and discove
So much for the highly-vaunted "enlightened diversity" notion, eh?
Sorry, never heard of it. How's that working out for you?
Don't bother going anywhere to hear anything you disagree with, eh?
Actually, I've found I don't really need to go anywhere to hear things I disagree with. I may not live as isolated an existence as you do, though.
What a shock it must be when these sheep are forced to deal with reality, which is why I stay here.
I dunno... you seem to lack a certain sense of style when it comes to trolling. I mean, I could go on... I'm certainly in the mood for some fun today. But, to be honest, your post is too boring.
This shows how utterly naive the "Open Source" community is in regards to how "Commercial" software is developed.
How does my opinion that it would be a plus not to hide the info about who contributed what to commercial software projects show that, exactly? Since I work in that environment I am aware that that information is available internally already.
I mean, I realize you were just going to bust a gut if you didn't present the ideal picture of the commercial software development process for some reason, but couldn't you have at least waited for a post that somehow questioned the existence of that process first? That's usu considered a prerequisite before you get to pull of strike-a-pose openers like "This shows how blah-blah-blah".
Which is why you should have been modded redundant rather than troll, perhaps.
Hey, the Internet is all about narrowcasting. If you want to hang out at a site that shares your way of looking at things, go find that site and hang out there. If you just want to hang out at a site that doesn't so you can whine about it, then you effectively are a troll.
Actually, nobody _outside Microsoft_ knows who is putting what in the source code, as well it should be.
While that's a perfectly normal way of doing software business, I'm not sure I'd agree that it is necessarily the way it should be. Having your name associated with something gives you an extra incentive to sweat the quality of it. As long as there was no implied ownership of the code involved, I don't see why there'd be any harm in seeing who contributed what.
Good point... He should have said any commercial software company that wasn't looking for an excuse to delay release so they could finish the product...;-)
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Personally, I won't dismiss it until I have seen the actual implementation. For all we know the gif is of a subbed scene that involves ongoing dialog. including someone saying the name of the move (battle anime's do love repeating the names of the moves, after all). The answer shouldn't be hard for a human viewer to determine, just hard for automation. If their site has hit on an approach that does that for their new users, more power to them.
But, of course, this just means that everyone has to run both AIM and SameTime.
Not [necessarily] so... check oheck out the meanwhile plugin for gaim. I've been using it for a couple of months now and have had no issues, but I'm just using it for your basic chat... there may be fancier ST protocol stuff it hasn't implemented that you need.
I had just been thinking yesterday that I wish I still had my "What a Wonderful World" news page. I had a service at the time which let me build a page using a set of keywords, so I made one with "genocide" "death squad" "ethnic cleansing" and on and on. It was a great dose of perspective.
The Google thing seems to only let you set up one list of keywords, all of which must all appear in the article, however. sigh... that will not do
The thing that annoys me about being on rails is that you still have to wait for loads. They know where you are going and there are plenty of times when you are listening to dialogue, etc. where some preloading of the next stop could be done. As load times get longer and longer in games they get to be a real distraction from the experience. It's going to be a pisser, but games are going to have to start doing rolling loads to get around it.
right, but CS and DoD and that kind of multiplayer is not at all like the co-op he is talking about, so it doesn't rate an "um." beginning. I prefer doing co-op multi with my friends, too, so I can understand his disappointment. Having said that, HL2 in co-op would be kind of strange, I think. Not because the option of an us against the universe kind of deal would have been impossible, but because, as you point out, the HL2 story that Valve chose makes it impossible. It involves lots of movement that could only work properly with one person, etc. That's not something I knock Valve for doing... there was no economic sense in doing otherwise. Actually, if someone managed to come out with a mod like that it would probably be pretty funny (like the action HL mod that let Gordon slug the scientists, etc. in the single-player game), but it couldn't be like playing HL2 anymore.
Reminds me of the benefits of CST.
Do I laugh or do I cry? ...
Laugh, I would say. While both laughing and crying are versatile enough to be used regardless of whether it is a time of great happiness or great sadness, laughing is definitely more "out there".
just when I had finished compiling 2.4.25 on my systems..
Anyone who "just finished compiling" the latest release of their favorite kernel tree is all set (assuming the installed it), since this "new kernel vulnerability" is only new in the /. sense. I would think that people who are super-concerned about such things would recognize that in reading the bulletin.
Did I read the security bullentin correctly
No, you did not. :-( When it said...
2.2 up to and including 2.2.25, 2.4 up to to and including 2.4.24, 2.6 up to to and including 2.6.2
...you mistook the 2.2 for a 2.4 and thought that it effected your 2.4.25 kernel.
IBM doesn't seem to be dedicated to "free" distros in particular. I expect that SuSE will look attractive to them at this point, but I have no idea how they make their decisions.
This is a popular misconception.
Count the number of non-free packages available from Debian.
Now count the number of non-free packages in Fedora.
In case anyone missed the transition there, we are comparing "available from" to "in". If the comparison was apples to apples, we'd have to say that Debian as no non-free packages in it, since main is the official distribution, and they have always been careful to keep main separate from non-free and contrib. FWIW, past comments here by Bruce Perens make it look like non-free may not even be "available from" them in the future. They obviously realize that they leave themselves open to characterizations like yours simply by making the other stuff available via debian.org.
It's kind of a pain if the site doesn't actually put the actual mms link somewhere in their page so you can start those players with it. For sites that feed you the link through intermediaries, you can use plugins for mozilla (mplayerplug-in and a xine equivalent). It's even more of a pain if they do browser identification and so on rather than just feeding the mms link to the browser, since you'd have to spoof whatever it is they are expecting.
Using xine or mplayer to handle audio-only streaming content feels like a kluge, though, I guess I also wish they had gone the ShoutCast or IceCast route, instead.
I don't understand why more people don't like Gentoo.
Apparently more people do like it, that is why it ranked as second fastest growing... the "growing" part means that more people like it than before. Maybe you meant that you wanted people to like it more than Debian? As long as there is a viable Gentoo community, and there obviously is, who cares if even more people chose to use Debian on servers? To each their own.
personally I think the complaints about special bricks is based on envy that they didn't have them to play with when they were kids... I once held that view, but changed it when I fitst played LEGO with my son
So you actually envied other people who got to play with the more recent LEGO products, until your son let you play with his? If you envied them, why didn't you just buy some earlier?
I had always assumed that I preferred the more generic blocks partly because they were what I was used to and partly out of the curmudgeon instinct. Well, and partly out of the belief that I am right (godammit!) but that could just be the curmudgeon instinct kicking in... ;-)
Yeh, you can directly order them, but are they in the shops?
That probably has a lot more to do with how the toy stores want to use their shelf space, than some decision by Lego, itself. I personally agree that only having the model sets visible seems like a mistake, but I have no evidence to back it up. I would assume that stores stock based on what sells, but it may well be that Lego pushed the other lines since they saw their future in that direction (or to try to cover the licensing costs). Even on shop.lego.com makes it is harder to find the buckets than it is the model sets, from the top of the site (unless you already knew about what the "Make & Create" line refers to).
Since the late 70's all Lego sets I've owned have contained specialised pieces.
You'll note that the previous poster didn't claim otherwise. You are, perhaps, arguing that there were as many then as now? Good luck.
I will point out that people who want more generic blocks can still get them at http://shop.lego.com/department.asp?d=19&t=7. It's not the same (for Lego, anyway) as having an assortment bucket out in front of consumers in the toy store, but at least you can get them if you need more pieces.
Terminus (space sim type game, Linux, Mac, Windows one purchase), a joystick (analog) makes the game much more enjoyable.
That's for sure! Of course, I discovered that after I'd played the campaign through. Using the arrow keys to target something moving in 3 dimensions was a challenge... but not a very interesting one. :-P
They definitely have a blindness for anything smaller than a SUV
It seems like this can't be the case since many cars are smaller than SUVs and yet I, just to pick one example, am frequently able to see them while driving.
I agree with your point about hyperbole, though.
I don't see a link to the actual article, but I wonder if the author has any real evidence of this forking, or is he simply working from arm-chair philosophies?
I wondered the same thing. There's 20+ years of experience with forkable source-available projects to draw from... it's not like its such a new thing that we need a researcher to theorize about how it might work for us. My personal experience is that I would vastly prefer to have a fork than to have a product that doesn't do what I want. If this guy really sees one of the big plusses of OSS as a red flag, I think that says a lot more about his value as a source than it does about OSS.
(This is the part where I get marked troll or flamebait for stating that distros other than Debian have good package management)
Why would they do that? Did /. get rid of the off-topic mod or something?
Yeah... I know that reaction. My in-laws have things they abhor for seemingly arbitrary religious reasons, but cards aren't among them. When they are coercing people into a game of canasta, though, I usu absent myself by looking disappointed and saying, "ah... the Devil's calling cards again."
And I am equally grateful I'm not as stupid or condescending as you are
ah... who would have thought I'd see the day where someone was grateful that they are more stupid or condescending than someone else. Surely the end-times are near. ;-)
And to be honest, your post so too lacking in any substantive thought to be worth much of a response
And, appropriately, you didn't provide much of one. Still, even if you are effectively a troll you are at least putting some work into your posts, so let's do this...
Slashdot, being somewhat overrun by liberals and left-leaning "thinkers" are often champions of diversity
Hm... not sure I buy that (especially the last part), but whatever...
-- so long as the diversity goes along with what the crowd wants. Quite often it's posted that we should accept the racial, sexual, and national diversity without question, but when it comes to ideological differences, no diversity is to be tolerated. Toe the line. Say the right things. Nod like everyone else. Linux good, Microsoft Bad. Open source good, anything else bad. Naysayers are trolls who pollute the purity of our collective brilliance. What a bunch of hypocritical hogwash, and I'm not the only one who notices it here.
Here's where you really blow the suspension of disbelief. I understand that you have seen Fight Club and feel that your eyes have been opened about how the pathetic sheeple need to be shaken up and all, but why do you talk about the /. environment as if it is something unique? Surely you realize that any collection of one or more humans also features "hypocrisy". You mention noticing it here as if that act of perception is a sign of insight but, to me, the fact that you think noticing it in any one place is special is a sign of inexperience and immaturity. That you feel the need to also point out that you are "not the only one who notices it here" is not only pathetic on a personal level, it also indicates that you knew your posts on the subject were redundant before you made them.
What really makes it lame, however, is that you aren't even noticing a good case of it. You don't understand that people aren't asking you to "Toe the line. Say the right things. Nod like everyone else."... they are telling you to "Go 'way, kid. Hit the road. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out."
I'm sure that is a distinction that will, at least initially, be meaningless to you since you will simply consider my tendency to be bored with your pointless, redundant, and cliched posturing to be "intolerance" and, therefore, "hypocrisy". There is, in fact, a huge distinction. In the case you present, an effort is being made to force an individual to conform to a group. In /.'s case, OTOH, intellectual diversity is being championed. Let many flowers bloom on the Internet! If you don't like the kind of chat that goes on here, there may be some other site better suited to your style and level of discourse. If there isn't, go ahead and start one!
That would be consistant with the other sorts of diversity that you seem to think that /. is championing. Tolerating "sexual diversity", for example, doesn't mean that I have to be "challenged" by being forced to watch sex acts in my living room that I would personally consider perverse. It just means that I shouldn't try to force other people to conform to my opinions on perversion, and that I shouldn't try to interfere with them doing their thing elsewhere, out of my living room. If I support that notion, it isn't because I am an inherently tolerant person, it is because I believe that it is only though tolerating other people's choices that I can have a reasonable expectation that I have done my part to ensure that my choices will likewise be tolerated by others.
So, even though I don't care for Madonna, I don't have a problem with people having a site that features discussions that are pro-Madonna. I also wouldn't have a problem with them telling you to take a hike if you decided to hang out there to enlighten and challenge them with repeated fluffy posts (in your self-important teen-angsty style, of course) revealing to them that you have seen through them and discove
So much for the highly-vaunted "enlightened diversity" notion, eh?
Sorry, never heard of it. How's that working out for you?
Don't bother going anywhere to hear anything you disagree with, eh?
Actually, I've found I don't really need to go anywhere to hear things I disagree with. I may not live as isolated an existence as you do, though.
What a shock it must be when these sheep are forced to deal with reality, which is why I stay here.
I dunno... you seem to lack a certain sense of style when it comes to trolling. I mean, I could go on... I'm certainly in the mood for some fun today. But, to be honest, your post is too boring.
This shows how utterly naive the "Open Source" community is in regards to how "Commercial" software is developed.
How does my opinion that it would be a plus not to hide the info about who contributed what to commercial software projects show that, exactly? Since I work in that environment I am aware that that information is available internally already.
I mean, I realize you were just going to bust a gut if you didn't present the ideal picture of the commercial software development process for some reason, but couldn't you have at least waited for a post that somehow questioned the existence of that process first? That's usu considered a prerequisite before you get to pull of strike-a-pose openers like "This shows how blah-blah-blah".
As it is you come off like Captain Boilerplate...
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
Which is why you should have been modded redundant rather than troll, perhaps.
Hey, the Internet is all about narrowcasting. If you want to hang out at a site that shares your way of looking at things, go find that site and hang out there. If you just want to hang out at a site that doesn't so you can whine about it, then you effectively are a troll.
Actually, nobody _outside Microsoft_ knows who is putting what in the source code, as well it should be.
While that's a perfectly normal way of doing software business, I'm not sure I'd agree that it is necessarily the way it should be. Having your name associated with something gives you an extra incentive to sweat the quality of it. As long as there was no implied ownership of the code involved, I don't see why there'd be any harm in seeing who contributed what.
Good point... He should have said any commercial software company that wasn't looking for an excuse to delay release so they could finish the product... ;-)