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Slashback (below) brings you tonight more on the fate of Mobilix, "borrowing" from the Onion, keeping track of campus, the recent (partial) eclipse, and animated television. Enjoy!

I want you to hear my side of the story. R. Benjamin Shapiro writes "Hi There, After reading the reactionary (and slanted) Salon story (of which I am a subscriber) and the responses to it, I thought I'd point the /. community to a paper describing what we are actually doing. Many of the suggestions posted on /. are things we have been doing for some time now. Thanks very much for your feedback!"

A minor but nice victory. Werner Heuser writes "In the hearing from June 12th the court has rejected the arguments of 'Lés Editions Albert René.' The court says the words 'MobiliX' and 'Obelix' can hardly be mixed up with each other. Also the work of MobiliX is dedicated to another audience. This is a great success for the Free Software Community.

MobiliX is a very well-known site dedicated to Linux and BSD on mobile devices (like laptops, PDAs, cell phones and more). In November 2001 Werner Heuser, owner of the Open Source project MobiliX - UniX on Mobile Computers was charged by 'Lés Editions Albert René,' which is owner of the trademark 'Obelix.' In their opinion the names Obelix and MobiliX are very similar. The charge aimed for a deletion of the trademark 'MobiliX' and a compensation fee. The charge has been discussed in many newsgroups and mailing lists. It seems to be a very important case for the Free Software Community, because there are many projects, which names are also ending on 'iX.' Some other projects have even silently withdrawn their names, because the financial risk of losing a trademark case is high. The documentation of the case is available online. It includes the letters from MobiliX lawyers Jaschinski Biere Brexl - JBB."

In 10,000 years, these plates will be mandatory. An Anonymous Coward writes "The director of the Nevada DMV has denied the application for a custom plate depicting a mushroom-shaped cloud. The plates where apparently 'insensitive' and otherwise politically incorrect. .. "

Truer than you know. Zeekamotay writes "Referring to this previously reported story, The Beijing Evening News has now apologized to its readers for printing a story that originated from The Onion. They don't quite seem to grasp the concept of satire though: 'Some small American newspapers frequently fabricate offbeat news to trick people into noticing them, with the aim of making money,' the paper said. 'This is what the Onion does.'"

One more item for your bazillion-hour PVR. Stalke writes "This is a little old, but Tripping the Rift, first mentioned in a previous slashdot article, has been picked up by the SCI FI channel as their first ever animated series. For those of you that don't know, this is a parody of Starwars and Star Trek that takes place on the "Free Enterprise" and includes Chode, a purple alien, Six, a half-naked android, and a dark clown named Bobo. A higher res version of the original movie linked by the previous article is also available on their website."

Some of the "Sun" projectors were just down for scheduled maintenance. leananglemorgan writes "Just in case anyone missed the ol' Solar Eclipse on the 10th, here is a link to quick snaps I took ... Not the greatest, but reasonable enough to get some 'Hey that's cool!' remarks. Enjoy! I thought a couple came out good enough to share!" Another reader submits: "Thought everyone would enjoy this eclipse video I found."

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  1. Frequently? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some small American newspapers frequently fabricate offbeat news to trick people into noticing them, with the aim of making money,' the paper said. 'This is what the Onion does.

    At one issue a week, I sometimes wish it were more frequent!

    And I could do without all the shitting jokes.

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  2. We'll try back in a few generations... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "According to congressional workers, the Onion is a publication that never ceases making up false reports," the Evening News said.

    Dear China,
    Learning how to mock your government is an essential step towards democracy. Sorry you miss the point. Odds are, you'll 'get' democracy around the time the former Soviet Onion does...
    R,
    C
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    1. Re:We'll try back in a few generations... by captain_craptacular · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, your right. The Americans are a lot less democratic than the Chinese. If it wasn't for the efforts of the US government to forceably keep people from leaving by holding the remaining family hostage 90% of Americans would probably have emigrated to China by now.

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    2. Re:We'll try back in a few generations... by discstickers · · Score: 3, Informative

      When has the US insisted that it was purely democratic? It has always been viewed as a republic. Hence the electoral college. ::ducks as flame war begins over the last election::

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    3. Re:We'll try back in a few generations... by crazney · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll byte..

      Not necessarily in the short term.. But in the longer term America's arrogant position will drag it down to anything-but a democratic system... (can anyone say 'previous election' or 'corporate sponsurship of politicians'?) - Though the way I see china is ultimatly having a better system since they'll probably try to combine comunism (the 'citizens input' aspect of it) with democracy and end up with something good.

      Remember kids, comunism isn't bad - they just taught you that because 'russia was bad' and 'china is bad': Neither of which are proper communist states.

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    4. Re:We'll try back in a few generations... by Loligo · · Score: 2

      >Americans think it's perfect already

      Huh. Nice sweeping generalization there.

      I don't know anyone that thinks America is "perfect".

      Then again, at least here we have a system in place where we can try to fix the things that AREN'T perfect.

      In China, trying to fix the broken things results in the army being called out to drive their tanks into student rallies.

      -l

    5. Re:We'll try back in a few generations... by markmoss · · Score: 2

      From what I've heard, make a joke like that about the government in China and they shoot you and bill your family for the bullet. Bureaucrats and fanatics have no sense of humor...

      OTOH, in Russia (even under the Soviets) nearly everyone makes jokes about the government. Unfortunately, they more they joke about it, the less they do to fix it.

      That's getting to be a problem here, too. 8-(

  3. Eclipse pictures by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great now I have a glowing dot in my field of vision.

    Warning: Don't look directly at the pictures. Use a pinhole camera. Once you burn out those rods and cones, they are gone forever. Be careful, please. It's too late for me, but maybe this warning can prevent someone else succumbing to the same fate.

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    1. Re:Eclipse pictures by dargaud · · Score: 5, Funny
      Seen on a sign in a laser lab:
      Warning ! Don't look into laser with remaining eye !
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  4. My All-time favorite Onion headline by carambola5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Microsoft Patents Ones, Zeroes"

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    1. Re:My All-time favorite Onion headline by RevDobbs · · Score: 2, Funny

      My favorite conversation heard over cubicle walls:

      JB: Holy shit! I can't believe it, Microsoft patented zeros and ones!

      TS: Uhm, what?

      JB: Yeah, it's right here, check it out...

      TS: Joe, you're reading The Onion again.

      JB: Oh, yeah. I forgot.

      ... and sad to say, Joe was just hired to do network administration...

    2. Re:My All-time favorite Onion headline by evilpenguin · · Score: 2

      Okay, now that we've descended into favorite Onion bits, I think their funniest work was in their fin-de-siecle book, Our Dumb Century.

      I'm usually not a fan of scatalogical humor, but two of my favorite bits were:

      FDR's Fireside Chat Last Night Just a Stream of Cuss Words.

      And the huge headline: "HOLY FUCKING SHIT! MAN WALKS ON FUCKING MOON!" subheaded: "Armstrong's Historic First Words: 'Holy living fuck!'"

      For some reason, the more swearing there was in the moon landing article, the funnier it became. I remember the moon landing and it was such a solemn thing. And yet, if anything in my entire lifetime merited this kind of "awestruck cussing" it was the moon landing. And nobody swore. Not on VOX anyways...

  5. At least Beijing Evening News got ONE thing right. by allism · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seems like they are right on target for understanding what The Onion does: Fabricate offbeat news to make money. I'm glad they have reached the wisdom and recognition levels my 7-year-old niece possesses.

    We'll know if they've really figured out that The Onion is NOT a news source if they stop accusing Bill Gates of poisoning the water supply, although they might get the same impression from certain other web sites. Oh dear, I can see it now: Yu Bin not only quoting Joe Klein from The Onion, but getting his substantiation from /.!

  6. Is the Onion going to sue? by Cognitive+Dissident · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next the Onion should run a story about planning to file suit against the Beijing Evening News for stealing their story.

    Oh, but they don't know what copyright means, either... so they won't get the joke.

  7. Gilligan's Island.. those poor people by tapin · · Score: 4, Funny
    Some small American newspapers frequently fabricate offbeat news to trick people into noticing them, with the aim of making money.

    But surely they've had a chance to examine our historical documents?

    </SpaceQuest>

  8. Big Surprise by quantaman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure the Beijing newspaper has a bit of a slant explaining the source of the story but honestly what did you expect them to write.

    "The story we published was copied word for word from an American on-line newspaper that is notorious for making up blatantly obviously fake stories for the purpose of humor."

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    1. Re:Big Surprise by nobodyman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, then you would have to further explain the notion of parody, and then further explain that it is a device often used in the criticism of an idea or concept, and further explain that such criticism of government is in fact legal in the United States. As opposed to China, where criticism of government is often followed by a tank smooshing you.

      You think that the editor for the Beijing Evening News has the guts to sign off on that story?

  9. The Onion making money by PhunkyOne · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Some small American newspapers frequently fabricate offbeat news to trick people into noticing them, with the aim of making money,' the paper said. 'This is what the Onion does.

    Oh yeah I am sure they make lots of money. I am sure people ripping of their stories without payment much less credit helps a ton. Piracy capital of the world - what a surprise. :P

  10. Nevada Nuke License Plates by unicron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I live in Nevada, and we're pretty pissed we didn't get the plates. That's our history, it's who we are, and for someone to say it won't happen because it's offensive is like taking every test site worker that has ever put in an honest days work and pimp-slapping him.

    We put in 50 years+ with that site in our back yard. The U.S. winning WW2 started in Nevada at the test site. Hundreds of older workers now have cancer, others never made it this far.

    And for all the heart ache they tell us they're ashamed of what those workers accomplished. It's bullshit. For a massive final insult, they decide to store high level nuclear waste in our backyard. Their isn't a nuclear power plant in the entire state, yet we get to store it. None of our tests, mind you, have produced waste in more than 10 years, they're all subcritical(they stop just before achieving fusion).

    I don't work at the test site, either, but I do work in Las Vegas at a support site in the IT department.

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    1. Re:Nevada Nuke License Plates by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The U.S. winning WW2 started in Nevada at the test site.

      Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding your reference, but wasn't most of the research done at Los Alamos, NM, the University of Chicago, and Oak Ridge, TN, with the first detonation at Trinity Site in New Mexico? I know a lot of later work was done in Nevada, and the primary underground test ranges were there, but I believe that was all post-WW2.

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    2. Re:Nevada Nuke License Plates by wadetemp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I don't care where the thing was created. Bombs went off in Nevada and now we ship all our nuclear waste there. Real considerate of us. Nevadans (sp?) should be able to have whatever damned plates they want. :)

    3. Re:Nevada Nuke License Plates by thelaw · · Score: 2

      amen to that... we should give mad props to the nevadans for not trying to secede and join canada.

      jon

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    4. Re:Nevada Nuke License Plates by cosmo7 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I understand that the whole project was done in Manhattan, which seems pretty crazy.

    5. Re:Nevada Nuke License Plates by alexjohns · · Score: 5, Informative
      The U.S. winning WW2 started in Nevada at the test site.

      Wow! Nice revisionist history. Maybe that's what they're teaching in school these days. Let's be clear: We didn't win World War II because of the atomic bomb. The Japanese were already negotiating their surrender before anyone outside Los Alamos knew about the bomb. Truman's whole cabinet was willing to accept their surrender except for his Secretary of State (can't remember his name - but it should live in infamy.)

      The Japanese's one condition was that they get to keep their monarchy intact. The SoS didn't want that, so we kept bombing the crap out of them and then popped a couple of atomic bombs. They surrendered unconditionally after that. Yeah, us winning WWII was really dependent on those two nukes. The firestorm that raged through Tokyo (which really got the Japanese to have second thoughts about this whole 'conquering the world' thing) was started by which one of the nukes? Oh yeah, that's right, conventional bombing did that. Tell me, I forget in my dotage, which cities in Germany did we nuke to win the war there?

      So, to sum up, Unicron doesn't have a pretty new license plate and the citizens of Washington, DC have no representatives in this country's legislature.

    6. Re:Nevada Nuke License Plates by LordNimon · · Score: 2

      Why don't you get a license plate with some other graphic, and then put a sticker of a mushroom cloud over it?

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  11. Re:Mushrooms by JesseL · · Score: 3, Funny

    Heh, it seems Nevada officials would like to leave the bad 'ol days of nuclear testing behind them and focus instead on their illustrious(sp?) history of gambling, prostitution, and racketeering ;-)

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  12. Onion re-runs by cpeterso · · Score: 3


    I have been reading The Onion for about five years. It was funny at first, but then they started repeating stories!

    1. Re:Onion re-runs by crumley · · Score: 2

      Yep, I've been reading the Onion for over 10 years, and they do repeat themselves sometimes. Its hard to blame them though, just like its hard to blame Letterman for doing the same gags over. It ain't easy having to be funny.

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  13. From the UCSD article... by jasno · · Score: 3, Insightful

    let you see through the crowds and undistinguished buildings to reveal nearby friends, potential colleagues, departments, labs, and interesting events. By making the clutter transparent and highlighting otherwise invisible things, the confusing bustle of the campus becomes more sensible and within reach.

    Wow, so instead of conversing with all those icky people(clutter) who aren't like me, I can ignore them and be instantly in touch with a community of like-minded(close minded?) people just like me.

    So, like the internet, this is a new way for subcultures to reinforce their ties to each other and keep people apart.

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    1. Re:From the UCSD article... by jasno · · Score: 2

      Interesting...

      Now if you could use the graffiti mode to replace billboards and ads, like the way they do with major league baseball games, THAT would be cool :)

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  14. The Chinese Knows What Satire Is, Believe Me by Wingie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I should point out that, even thought most people would've already guessed/knew, Chinese media, even if privately owned etc., are under strict government regulation and what not. It's not like the editors of the newspaper or readers in China don't know that making fun of the government is a democratic step and that satire is fun, but it's that if they say so in a national newspaper heads will start rolling, literally, even if in the end that single sentence doesn't get publiched.

  15. Les �ditions Albert Ren� by boa13 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's the correct way to write it in French, even though I've noticed a tendancy in American products to put more accents on French words than there are in reality. Ah those Americans, always overdoing things. ;)

    1. Re:Les �ditions Albert Ren� by Hydrogenoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm... No....
      You shouldn't put an accent on a capital letter...
      But, alas, this particular mistake seems to be spreading a lot...
      *snif!*

    2. Re:Les �ditions Albert Ren� by connorbd · · Score: 2

      I think there's actually a difference in practice depending on where you are in the world. I might have this backwards, but I think in France you don't, in Canada you do. That's one example.

      /Brian

  16. Slackware Eclipse by boa13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since we're all sharing eclipse photos, here's mine.

    The photo was taken using my great Canon PowerShot A40. The bluish shadow is due to a reflection inside the Slackware CD I was using as a filter. :)

    1. Re:Slackware Eclipse by martyn+s · · Score: 2

      I was just reading about eclipses and the myths and misconceptions about staring at the sun. A CD is NOT a good filter, in fact it will probably cause more harm than good, since it blocks visible light, which allows your pupils to open. Then your eyes are fully exposed to the UV and other wavelength light.

  17. Solar Eclipse and the X-Files by kidlinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it just me, or does this picture look very similar to one of the opening shots from the X-Files, where what seems to be a spirit or alien form with arms outstretched depicts the "X".
    The same could be said for this picture but the lines are too narrow.

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  18. Re:L?s Editions? by Dahan · · Score: 2

    Dude, use a browser that doesn't suck. Mr. AC's accents are fine. I don't know what Redmondlian crap you're talking about--"é" is ISO standard.

  19. Tripping the Rift? Ugh... by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I saw the original short on Sci-Fi's Exposure series. Of the various shorts featured in that episode, Tripping the Rift was easily the most puerile, insulting, and just plain stupid segment. It was a lot like the kinds of coarse, inept parody stories my friends and I would devise as 12-year-old geeks back in junior high, only much worse. It's pathetic and sad that this, of all things, would get picked up for a series when there are surely many far more deserving shows.

    1. Re:Tripping the Rift? Ugh... by cryptochrome · · Score: 2

      Well what do you expect? There are tons of high-quality SciFi anime already made and relatively cheap, yet all they've picked up are a handful of movies. I mean if SF doesn't show Serial Experiments Lain, who will?

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  20. Good eclipse pictures by Sokie · · Score: 2

    Some of the math and physics teachers at my school got together and took some pictures through telescopes with real solar filters of the eclipse. They are pretty good, you can see sunspots and stuff.

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  21. Talk about the pot calling the kettle... by Qwerpafw · · Score: 2, Insightful
    'Some small American newspapers frequently fabricate offbeat news to trick people into noticing them, with the aim of making money,' the paper said. 'This is what the Onion does.'"
    "As opposed to how some small Chinese newspapers frequently print patently false stories without investigating them in order to trick people into noticing them, with the aim of making political propaganda. This is what the Beijing Evening news does."

    Okay, so maybe 1 million in circulation is not a 'small newspaper.' Then again, china has how many people in it?

    And we *should* cut these people some slack. After all, they live in a country where supporters of a religion can be executed, and where criminals serve as involuntary organ donors.
  22. Ixian? we talking about Dune? by Emugamer · · Score: 2

    is it just me or were any other of you expecting to see something about Dune?

  23. Translation of beijing evening new article by gargle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Following on my translation of the original beijing evening news article, I now translate the apology:

    On June 3rd, we reported that members of the US Congress were pressing for construction of a brand-new Capitol, complete with a retractable dome and luxury boxes, in order to stay competitive.

    Our reporter in Washington checked out the story, he discovered that some of its contents were identical to the Onion's joke article.

    Some small American newspapers frequently fabricate offbeat news to trick people into noticing them, with the aim of making money. This is what the Onion does. According to congressional workers, the Onion is a publication that never ceases making up false reports.

    This is a practice that we, fortunately, do not suffer from China. In China, newspapers are not allowed to make up all sorts of wild stories about our dear leaders. We were therefore caught off guard.

    We are open to our readers' criticism, and we apologize.

  24. Re:L?s Editions? by absurd_spork · · Score: 2

    Actually, in this case it is MySQL not grokking Unicode correctly.

  25. You are one to talk about revisionist history! by ionpro · · Score: 3, Informative

    As the documents show at http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/war.term/093_03.html, the Japanese were NOT willing to surrender prior to the atomic explosions. While they were half-heartedly persuing peace through Soviet negotiations, it was known that Americans were accepting surrenders through the Swiss, as is customary is wars of such scale. The Japanese correspondance with the Soviets was for a seperate peace, thereby ensuring that they would only face a war from the Pacific side of their country. Remember, the Soviets only declared war on the Japanese on August 7th, 1945 -- ONE day before the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki and days AFTER the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Prior to that date, Americans had been unable to use Soviet territory for aerial bombing of Japan, and instead used carriers and captured islands as their primary Japanese staging areas.

    The Japanese never surrendered unconditionally. They were <i>still</i> allowed to keep their Emperor as a figurehead leader, much like the British Constitutional Monarchy, <i>as a condition of their final surrender</i>!. Prior to August 6th, the Japanese had said they would never surrender; a long and drawn-out invasion of the Japanese mainland was called for, probably resulting in heavy casulties on both sides. As it was, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the prime navy/army (forget which is which) bases left in Japan that had not been firebombed out of existance. Thus, they were valid military targets. Less lives were lost in both the atomic explosions then in the firebombing of Tokyo.

    So, yes, victory in Japan was dependant upon those two nukes, or perhaps an invasion of Japanese territory. Did you know there were still Japanese who had not surrendered in the Philipeans until sometime after 1960? A Japanese officer had continued raids on Americans in the Philipeans until sometime during the Kennedy administration. Once the Japanese start a war, they try <b>very</b> hard to finish it in their favor.

    1. Re:You are one to talk about revisionist history! by alexjohns · · Score: 3, Informative
      First, the comment I was replying to said that we won WWII because of the bomb. Germany surrendered in May, we didn't drop the bomb until August. So for all of June and July, we were concentrating on beating the crap out of the Japanese. We'd been bombing them continously since November 1944. If there was no Atomic Bomb, we were still beating them so badly that by the end of 1945 we would have run out of targets to bomb. We would have been relegated to bombing individual homes if they hadn't surrendered.

      On July 27th, 1945, with the Potsdam Proclamation, we told the Japanese to surrender unconditionally. The Japanese considered their emperor a god. There were high level talks between Truman's cabinet and the Japanese cabinet about the surrender. J. F. Byrnes (looked it up this time), Truman's Secretary of State insisted that we not accept Japan's surrender with the condition that they keep their emperor.

      On the 6th of August, we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. On the 9th, Russia invaded Manchuria at the same time we dropped the bomb on Nagasaki. Up until this point, Russia and Japan had been neutral and Japan had been trying to negotiate a conditional surrender through the Russians.

      For the next 4 days, the Japanese Cabinet debated whether to surrender. It required a unanimous vote to do so and the 'hawks' weren't having any of it. On the 14th, Emperor Hirohito himself told the cabinet to accept the surrender. This was after he'd learned, through diplomatic channels, that 'unconditional surrender' didn't mean the same thing to us as it did to the Japanese. The Japanese were afraid it meant that we might execute the emperor or put him on trial for war crimes. We told them it actually meant we didn't care if they kept the emperor, as long as there was a democratically elected government. The cabinet voted to surrender then and the head of the War Department committed hara-kiri the day after.

      The fact is that the Japanese did accept our terms for surrender and that it was 'unconditional', but there was an understanding that it didn't mean they had to get rid of the emperor. We can debate endlessly about what would have happened if we hadn't used nukes or if we'd dropped the 'unconditional surrender' or even if Russia had decided to switch sides or if we'd allowed Patton to roll the tanks and take on Russia like he wanted to.

      Getting back to the original point, we didn't win WWII because of the atomic bomb. It helped decide when exactly the end was going to be, but without the backroom - 'yeah, we said unconditional, but we don't really care' - the Japanese would have fought on for quite some time. And I know we're looking back on it with 20/20 hindsight, but a diplomatic ending to the war could have been achieved much earlier, except for the fact that everyone was looking for a military solution. And there was the revenge factor for Pearl Harbor.

      There's our history lesson for the day. Your inane comment about a few Japanese idiots in the Philippines has no bearing. I grew up in Georgia and to this day there's numbnuts down there who have rebel flags and vow 'the South's going to rise again.' The fact that some people are unable to accept defeat and move on with their lives says nothing about the Japanese (or American) people as a whole.

    2. Re:You are one to talk about revisionist history! by hawk · · Score: 2
      >And I know we're looking back on it with 20/20
      >hindsight, but a diplomatic ending to the
      > war could have been achieved much earlier,


      uhh, yeah. In fact, that was an option on December 8, 1941--and the one that the Japanese were *planning on* when they attacked . . . the attack was an attempt to keep us out of the war, not to get us in it . . .


      hawk

  26. Re:Tripping the Rift by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 2
    Rumour also has it that South Park started this way.

    It's true - South Park was originally titled "The Spirit of Christmas" and was an electronic Christmas card - actually a 51 meg video (which was huge back in the day) transferred from VHS. Some high-up executive from Fox asked those two guys to create an animated Christmas card, and he gave them a big chunk of money - they were as cheap as possible on production and blew the rest on beer (and probably pot, but that's just my speculation). The construction-paper animation, constant profanity by eight-year-olds, combined with the epic Jesus v. Santa fight made it a huge hit on the web. I remember getting it off the network at RPI back in early 97. There was a version with Frosty in it too, but that one was the first draft and they got rid of him - guess it wasn't offensive enough.

    I tried to find it on ifilm but the link was broken. Still, a search for "soxmas" should pull something up.

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  27. MOD THIS UP by gdyas · · Score: 2

    Hear Hear, this is more real history than the post this guy was responding to.

    May I add that nobody wanted to use a nuke, least of all Truman, but allied analysts recognized that there was no way the war was going to end for good without displacement of the Emperor, that before the atom bomb strikes the Japanese were adamant about not displacing the Emperor they revered as a god in any way, and even if a halt to hostilities was mediated they'd strike back again soon to recover lands & honor. In the classic 1970's miniseries "The World At War" Japanese ex-military leaders from the time explain in exact terms that they and the Emperor's government were trying to get a pause in the fighting from Russia and/or the US in order to regroup & counterattack. It was only after the Hiroshima hit that the Emperor met with his subordinates and started to talk about stepping down from supreme leadership. The historical record shows that it WAS the bomb that ended that war right then & there.

    We had to alter the regime in Japan to insure a lasting peace with the country. Leaving the Emperor with power would have been too dangerous and could have resulted in a pacific war redux. It was war dammit, a dirty business and a far cry from what we're calling "war" today. I'm a pretty liberal guy, but pretending we commited some damned atrocity by dropping that bomb is an insult to the multitudes of men killed by the Japanese in that war. You think dropping the bomb was beyond the pale? Try beheading men en-masse who fucking surrendered to you because your culture tells you men who surrender don't deserve their lives. Try working men to death. Try torture for kicks. Try dragging out every single battle needlessly by fighting to the last fucking man even when you know you're beat. All these things the Japanese did, and each one is as horrendous as dropping those bombs.

    BTW, there's no better source of WWII history on film than the miniseries The World at War. 24 hour-long episodes that kick anything on the History Channel's ass.

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  28. A nuke plate would look good on my door by cryptochrome · · Score: 2

    Look on the plus side - if you DID get those nuke plates, I can guarantee you wouldn't have them for long before some activist pulled them off your car, or some kid stole it to put on his wall.

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  29. that's not quite right. . . . by hawk · · Score: 2
    In the U.S., I am free to mock the government without being shot.


    In China, people are also free to mock the U.S. government without being shot . . .


    :)


    hawk

    1. Re:that's not quite right. . . . by hawk · · Score: 2
      but it wasn't quite original with him, either. There's a (much) early version placed at Checkpoint Charlie, with the american and the east german arguing. Behind them are pictures of the current president and the current dictator. The american boasts, "I am free to do *this*", and turned around and spat on the president's picture. "So am I," replies the commie, and turns around and spits on the president's picture.


      It's pre-Yakov, but I can't imagine it predating facism/nazism by much (at least as a western joke).


      hawk, knower of obscure things

    2. Re:that's not quite right. . . . by markmoss · · Score: 2

      I'd be surprised if that doesn't pre-date Checkpoint Charlie in some form, with Hitler's picture or even the Kaiser's instead of Stalin. (However, I'm not sure Americans would have been that disrespectful before Franklin D. Roosevelt - aside from the South's attitude towards Lincoln and the Reconstruction Republicans. But a lot of rich and important Americans were just about that hostile towards FDR...)

      But it apparently became quite OK for Russians to mock their government well before the end of communism, probably even before 1980. I don't know if that was because zeal turned to cynicism right up to the top, or if it was because they figured out something good American military leaders learned a very long time ago - let 'em gripe, it's a substitute for rather than a preparation for action.

  30. ahem. by hawk · · Score: 2
    When we secede, why would we want to adopt yet another central government?


    hawk, Nevadan in exile

  31. Re:The Onion by flewp · · Score: 2

    They have a "Boozehound of the Week" now. It's apparently a joint thing between The Onion, Riverwest Brewery (they make some rocking beers), Foundation Milwaukee, and Cream City Culture. Don't know if they have this kind of thing in other cities.

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