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Cheap Cell Phone Cameras

Posted by michael on from the bond-james-bond dept.

prostoalex writes "Apparently an Israeli company figured out the way to put a 376x296 digital camera into cell phones for less than $15." We've done previous stories about a PDA/phone with included camera, but this could be integrated into a regular phone so that your conversation partner could get a nice real-time view of your ear.

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  1. or no ear.. by Jondor · · Score: 1

    At least you can see if someone's listening or the phone is on the table..

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    1. Re:or no ear.. by Hormonal · · Score: 1
      This will be a real boon to the telemarketers that call me. Generally, I get a call, wait for the guy/gal to pick up, and the following conversation ensues:

      TM: Hello, is there?
      Me: Yep, hang on a second...

      At this point, The phone goes on a sofa or something, and I come back in about 10 minutes. I haven't had one yet that wanted to talk to me that badly.

      Unfortunately, if they can see I'm not trying to get myself, they'll hang up, and call some other poor sap. At least this way, I can tie them up for a little while.

    2. Re:or no ear.. by MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM · · Score: -1

      Obviously you don't have many friends calling.

    3. Re:or no ear.. by Hormonal · · Score: 1
      Obviously you don't have many friends calling.

      I guess my friends are smarter than yours, in that they've grasped simple logic. I've got call waiting, and if I don't click over, they know I'm jerking some telemarketer around, or I'm having an important conversation. Either way, they try back in about 10 minutes.

      I don't get calls from telemarketers all the time, so my phone is open for calls from friends/fiance/parents most of the time. I'm not the victim of some weird self-afflicted, telemarketer-inspired telephone DOS.

  2. FIRST POST by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    FIRST POST

    1. Re:FIRST POST by tomstdenis · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      See the funny thing is your post wasn't even the first. AFAIK you came in second at 8:46 and the first post was really 8:45.

      Better luck never. I mean common, you don't have to post "FP". Or better yet get a FP with an actual real post!

      Tom

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  3. Hello, is this the doctor? by halftrack · · Score: 1

    Now we can get a full ear examination through our ears.

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    1. Re:Hello, is this the doctor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      As opposed to our noses.

  4. Hmm... by kpdvx · · Score: 1

    What happens when you run out of the shower to answer a ringing phone... see, thats when you need a camera.

    1. Re:Hmm... by darkonc · · Score: 2
      That's part of why camera phones never caught on:
      • So why don't you show me a picture?
        er, uhm, because... I'm naked...
        so why don't you show me your picture?
        click
      • HI {boss, partner, etc,}, I'm stuck in traffic, I'll be there as soon as I can!
        Oh yeah, show me a picture!
      One nice thing about cell phones is that you can have them anywhere .
      Do you really want your customer to know that you're negotiating that $2M contract from your bathroom, or the nearby nude beach? Are those few times when it actually works to connect your Digital Camera to your Cellphone (doable as another reader pointed out) worth the loss of privacy that comes from having it on all the time?

      Besides -- in those situations where I'm really interested in sending an image over my cell phone, it's more likely that I want to send a 1K x 2K image than a 200x300 image that barely shows any detail at all. In that case, it's going to be a real digital camera that I'll want to use.

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  5. Fun uses... by Your_Mom · · Score: 1
    but this could be integrated into a regular phone so that your conversation partner could get a nice real-time view of your ear
    Or, as related to yesterday's story a lovely view of the sandwich I am eating.
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    1. Re:Fun uses... by oever · · Score: 1

      a lovely view of the sandwich I am eating.

      Stop talking with your mouth full!

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  6. The video-ear-phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "Hey, are those gromits??"

  7. Soccer is Dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It is official; Sports Illustrated confirms: Soccer is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Soccer community when FIFA confirmed that the Soccer demographic has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all sport fans. Coming on the heels of a recent Sports Illustrated survey which plainly states that Soccer has lost more fans, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Soccer is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sport's Choice Awards.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict Soccer's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Soccer faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Soccer because Soccer is dying. Things are looking very bad for Soccer. As many of us are already aware, Soccer continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    Premier League is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core players. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Soccer players Diego Maradona and Bernard Lama only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Soccer is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    UEFA leader Lennart Johansson, states that there are 7000 fans of UEFA. How many users of Premier League are there? Let's see. The number of UEFA versus Premier League posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Premier League fans. Australian Soccer posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Premier League posts. Therefore there are about 700 fans of Australian Soccer. A recent article put World Cup at about 80 percent of Soccer competitions. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 World Cup fans. This is consistent with the number of World Cup Usenet posts.

    All major surveys show that Soccer has steadily lost fans. Soccer is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Soccer is to survive at all it will be among sport hobbyists and historical recreationists. Soccer continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Soccer is dead.

    Fact: Soccer is dying

  8. Nice toncils! by oever · · Score: 1, Troll

    What if they put a camera in this tooth mobile phone?

    Now people on the other side can go: "brush your teeth!" instead of "clean you ear!".

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    1. Re:Nice toncils! by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 2

      This will be new spy equipment before long. If you see anyone walking around with a huge grin on their face, you can safely assume that they are a secret agent, and their teeth are watching everything you do...

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    2. Re:Nice toncils! by radja · · Score: 2

      one more reason to kick people who grin at me in the face ;)

      //rdj

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  9. in other news.. by prisen · · Score: 1

    The research is on to produce a long-lasting, cheap LiIon battery to power mobile phones augmented with a camera. And why are accessories so freakin' expensive?! I think I paid $30 for a leather case last time!

    1. Re:in other news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just answered your own question. The reason is because people are willing to pay $30 for a case.

  10. Well, it's not all that bad... is it? by SkyLeach · · Score: 1


    1.) Cell phones are definitely getting banned in cars now.

    2.) Could be useful if you have an ear infection and call your doctor tho. Add one of those thinkgeek diode flashlights...

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  11. No more dentists! by mac123 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So if I combine this technology with yesterday's story about the cellphone in the tooth, I can take pictures of my teeth? http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/19/145211.shtml ?tid=126

  12. i don't wanna see that.... by uberlinuxguy · · Score: 0

    Some people like to use their cell phones in alot of odd places, but the person on the other end has no idea where they are. I kinda wouldn't want to see some of the stuff going on when you interrupt someone by calling their cell phone.

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  13. Nokia 7650 by bebroll · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check this page where Nokia show their new 7650 - supposed to get to the European market at the end of the second quarter of 2002. This features a build in camera for sending images via MMS. I already tried it at the Cebit this year and it looks great ... Cheers, bebroll

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    1. Re:Nokia 7650 by Planetes · · Score: 1

      Here in Orlando, we've actually started getting radio advertisements for this phone with camera capabilities clearly stated in the ad.

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    2. Re:Nokia 7650 by johnjaydk · · Score: 1

      Hi, We've had one on trial for 2-3 weeks by now. The screen and camera are ok i guess. But the phone is a bit on the large side. I stick to my 6310 for now. Just my two euro cents.

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  14. Really popular in Saudi Arabia by night_flyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    they use them to spy on women in changing rooms...

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    1. Re:Really popular in Saudi Arabia by ImaLamer · · Score: 0, Troll

      ...Saudi clerics and their supporters have tried to ban developments in technology on grounds that they could be used to violate Islamic law. These include such appliances as telephones, mobile phones, satellite television and the Internet....

      Well, this could be a Good Thing for the good ol' USA!

      From my view the Saudi's are part of the group of Islamic states who would like to push us down in the pecking order of nations. Any willingness to have them abandon technology is good in my view.

      It's a tough world folks. America is slipping because everything we have invented has been built and improved on overseas and shipped in. We need what we can take.

      Now if Japan didn't have a gazillion uses (and plants) for the microchip, etc...

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    2. Re:Really popular in Saudi Arabia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, everyone is better off if everyone is working at maximum productivity. Also, the view around the world (or at least in Europe) is that Americans "improve on the idea and make it ten times larger" if I may quote an British commentator.

    3. Re:Really popular in Saudi Arabia by RebelTycoon · · Score: 0
      To quote from the article a little...


      Saudi clerics and their supporters have tried to ban developments in technology on grounds that they could be used to violate Islamic law.


      Maybe these Saudi clerics should spend more time educating the fanatics that they will not be going to heaven when they blow themselves up rather then suppressing the natural sex drive of people (not just men in this case).

      "Of course it may be misused by some wicked people but they are very small in number," Saudi analyst Ahmad Al Sinani told the English-language Arab News. "We should not exaggerate things."


      Cell phone peeping toms are wicked... Please... Focus on the real issue... A society that doesn't even have an arabic word for "Women's Rights".

      Here in the West we may overally sexualize women and sex in general, but at least they are valued more then property...

      Saudi Arabia is a segregated society and women in public are completely covered by a veil and robe.


      And here is the problem... Society is broken.


      If they didn't have oil... It would be Arabs what? and Middleast where?

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    4. Re:Really popular in Saudi Arabia by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      How can the Britons talk?

      I was modded as a troll even though I know what I am talking about.

      Americans have come up with some cool things but we abandon the technology and other nation's companies sweep up on it and we buy it fast.

      Imagine, the Xbox being the only American console at this time. What happened to the days where Atari ruled? Nintendo of course!

      Our major export is entertainment media! We are shipping music and movies overseas faster than electronics (TV's for example are made in other countries but invented mainly here by RCA!)

      Edison, and the Wright Brothers. Edison's work has been built upon by the Germans (light, Siemans) and the Japanese electronic empires have invented their own means of recording music (that we export right back to them). The Wright Brothers started with the first flying plane. Now British Airbus is designing planes which will destroy the 777.

      But back to the Britons. They lost their massive empire due to the fact that they ignored American and German inventions and cooperation. She focused on the things which worked in the past and when the "Great Depression" started they blamed Oscar Wilde, and not the fact their German counterparts were doing things with quinine that would change the world (of cloth dyes, but that was important then).

      Slowly she lost it all and it was because she wasn't on the top of technology.

      Two things get you to the top. The willingness to fight and technology.

      Everyone *would* be better off if everyone is working at maximum productivity but it isn't possible. Two nations rarely share the same dreams, ideals and goals. Even though nine out of ten times democratic countries won't fight each other they will never be allies 100% because we all long to be on top.

      It is of course part of who we are and nothing you or anyone can do. If it was that simple communism would be rule of the day.

      please don't take me as some sort of nationalist, i'm tired and i'm trying to discuss science

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  15. doesnt matter anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    doesnt matter anyway, cell networks will not have enuf bandwidth til 3g

  16. More potential privacy leaks? by lionchild · · Score: 1

    Let's say we put that video feature in our cell phones. It's an interesting, even nice idea for us geeks out here. If we've left that phone on all the time, and those phones are sending minimal signals back to local towers, so they can track where we are, thereby giving us the best signal ...why wouldn't the phone ROM include code to allow someone to wake the phone remotely, and activate the audio pickup, and now the camera?

    That would be a darn convenient trick if one of our fine government agencies who have broad wire tapping powers, could do. Imagine how easy it would be to track the movements and activities of a suspected criminal! You could just remotely turn on his phone, and listen in while he does a drug deal. Maybe even get incriminating footage!

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    1. Re:More potential privacy leaks? by paul_cairney · · Score: 1
      "why wouldn't the phone ROM include code to allow someone to wake the phone remotely, and activate the audio pickup, and now the camera?"

      I have heard from a friend who worked at One2One in the uk that it was posible to uplaod new firmware to a phone which allowed it to automaticaly answer calls and transmit the audio even if the user had switched their phone off. This was several years ago so I hate to think what they can do now...

      /me decideds to program a firewall for his mobile.. blocking spam/unsolcited calls/SMS/firmware.

      Hopefully I will be ready for IPO not long after 3G phones are widespread and people are sick to death of location-based advertising which is going to be a large feature in the consumer tarrifs (where as bussines pay many times the service charge but dont recive a hundred special offers every time they walk down the street)

  17. Real-time video by Falrick · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem with real-time video isn't figuring out how to get a camera into the phone, its a question of bandwidth. Second generation (2G) phones only have about 14.4 Kbps available to them to share between voice and data using a single traffic channel. Newer systems, such as some 2.5G and 3G systems, have substantially more bandwidth available. 1X systems, a 3G extension, has quite a lot of bandwidth available and I have seen a demo of real-time streaming video on these phones. Very impressive stuff. The only problem is that for the most part, the high-bandwidth standards generally expect that you won't be moving, or moving very slowly, when you are using high-bandwidth applications.

    One method of achieving the high-throughput is to allocate your call multiple traffic channels. One of the problems lies in handing off from cell to cell as you are moving down the highway. Getting the handoff scheduled, and perhaps even rerouting the data to the new cell, isn't really the problem. Its what to do if there just aren't enough traffic channels available to accomodate your usage on the next cell, or any cell that could service you.

    Couple that with the fact that I think that most people are more interested in having higher cell-phone reliability than ooh-ah features, add in financially troubled providers, and I think that it will be quite a while before we actually see this in the US. Europe may be differnt as they seem to be lower on the curve of early adopters.

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    1. Re:Real-time video by paul_cairney · · Score: 1
      " The problem with real-time video isn't figuring out how to get a camera into the phone, its a question of bandwidth."


      How about intergrated 802.11a/b/g in cell phones so we can download the video email's along with our daiy mountain of spam.
  18. Alan Thicke DEAD. by Alan_Thicke · · Score: -1
    I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon.
    He will be missed :(



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  19. hello by perl_god · · Score: -1

    this is NoT first ps

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  20. just think of the possibilities! by rlthomps-1 · · Score: 1

    Just think what the pr0n industry would do with this! They're always early adopters - wireless pr0n!

    1. Re:just think of the possibilities! by Rober7+Pauls0n · · Score: 1

      hell yeah, now you could have pr0n anywhere you go, at work, at school, on the streets. Sounds good to me.

  21. inexpensive CMOS video chips by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Conventional digital cameras use relatively expensive charge-coupled chips (CCD). A newer, but lower quality method uses the same technology as computer chips to make sensors for about a dollar. These have been used in toys such as the Game Boy, Barbie, and Hello Kitty cameras.

  22. Wireless camera feed by z_gringo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    what would be really nice would be if they could use those cameras to provide a wireless feed to a remote location in real time. But I don't think the bandwidth is quite there yet.

    Picture a webcam that goes anywhere.

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    1. Re:Wireless camera feed by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      I believe that is something like what CNN/M$NBC/Fox used to film from Afghanistan... remember it looked like they were streaming the video using Real and over 56k!

      I think they were using satellite phones but I don't buy it, the quality sometimes was like 14.4.

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  23. Well by hrieke · · Score: 2

    It should make wiretapping that much easier. Just add the faulty facual recognition program and then you know if the guy you are tracking is talking with others that you might have an interest in, or is having a private conversation with his doctor.

    Humor aside, am I the only one who is bothered by the ability to use the camera in way which where not intended.

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  24. Are these really useful? by Nomad7674 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think someone has to ask if these kinds of applications are really useful for cell phones in the first place. Right now, it seems like companies are scrambling to bring together all kinds of disparate technology so that their "ComboTech" can each be the NEXT BIG THING. Putting a camera onto a PDA makes a certain amount of sense - PDAs are meant to hang with you and let you record things on the go. But phones? Picturephones have been around for a while (for an interesting view of them, check out the movie MOTHER by Albert Brooks) and have never caught on.

    While some of the lack has to be due to the low picture quality, some of it is simply due to the fact that phones are NOT A VISUAL MEDIUM. A person using a phone is doing so to communicate verbally, not with body langugae. Until a new form factor emerges for visual communication (I like the communicators in EARTH: FINAL CONFLICT) I think this kind of work is a dead end.

    1. Re:Are these really useful? by sinbad · · Score: 1

      A person using a phone is doing so to communicate verbally, not with body langugae.

      Heh. You've obviously never been stuck in rush hour traffic behind some moron talking on his/her cellphone, gesticulating furiously as he/she makes a point, nodding and shaking his/her head, and generally looking like the idjit they are ;)

    2. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen the back of a $100 bill..... ON A CELL PHONE?

    3. Re:Are these really useful? by bigjocker · · Score: 1

      I believe this is the same big question people were asking just before cell phones hit the market. There is a big chance you dont see an actual need for this, but I'll just give it a year after it hits the streets, and nobody will know how they lived without it.

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    4. Re:Are these really useful? by atamar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not yourself speaking you want to visualize - it's your environment. I personally think that transmitting a photo of your beach vacation is silly, but on-the-fly image recognition, OCR, and translation services could actually have something in them. The phone-camera combination is your light-weight client, and the hard processing is done remotely, probably as a pay service.

      I personally wouldn't mind having a huge, convenient visual dictionary available. Point, shoot, wait, and read:

      "The Sydney opera house, built in blah blah, Press 'more' for further information."

      "The object you are looking at is a Bengalese tiger. Run."

      Come to think of it - Google, need a project manager for this? ;)

    5. Re:Are these really useful? by cryptochrome · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Stop thinking about how people use technology today and think about how they could use it tomorrow, and how much it's actually worth.

      Most people don't use PDAs, because most people don't NEED PDAs, certainly not enough to hook one on their belt. They're great for supergeeks and very busy people, but not for the general public. Most non-obstinate people would like to have a mobile phone though, and would like their mobile do stuff that's useful on the road (phone, messaging, address book, camera, and information services).

      Side note - I don't like carrying a lot of stuff around. As far as I'm concerned, I should never have more than three things in my pants (no not THOSE you perv) - my keys, my wallet w/cards+money, and a pen. Possibly a phone small enough to fit in my pocket (nokia 8260 for instance). None of this belt clip shit for me, thanks. I don't carry stuff around because I think it might be useful - I carry stuff around that it sucks to be without when I need them. PDAs don't qualify, when the pen and a few slips of paper in my wallet do the job well enough.

      Videophones never caught one because there's no point in sending a continuous video stream of your face (unless, of course, you're getting naked, and then it's pointed elsewhere). In fact 99% of the time you wouldn't even want to send video, for various reasons. But a mobile phone can be used anywhere and it would be great if it could take pics of the immediate area for purposes of analysis and communication. After all, a picture is worth a thousand words.

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    6. Re:Are these really useful? by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1
      It's not yourself speaking you want to visualize - it's your environment.

      Darn right, and true of any video link. I can't count the number of times I've been called by family & friends to help with a computer problem, where I would've killed to be able to see what they were doing (instead of trying to figure it out by listening to their description of the "square shape on the screen with a big gray bar shape, and then the little rounded shape in the corner with a word on it").

    7. Re:Are these really useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I think this kind of work is a dead end.

      I thought so too when these phones were first introduced in Japan. But apparaently they are successful enough that 1 phone company (J-Phone) has their whole line up include cameras, and another (au) has announced that they will put cameras in every new phone in their next line up.

      You can see J-phone's line up here (in Japanese).

    8. Re:Are these really useful? by vanyel · · Score: 2
      Videophones never caught one because there's no point in sending a continuous video stream of your face (unless, of course, you're getting naked, and then it's pointed elsewhere).

      That's exactly why I don't want a camera in my phone, though it's more an issue at home than mobile for obvious reasons: I don't always answer the phone in a state where the person on the other end wants a picture... if there's a camera attached, there are going to be any number of embarrassing incidents where pictures get sent by accident...

  25. This would be perfect... by keep_it_simple_stupi · · Score: 2

    "All they would see is the inside of your ear"

    If you have speakerphone on your cell phone... You would just hold it in front of you.

    I would also agree that 15 bucks is great for a camera attachment, but most cell phones don't have color screens yet, and I think a b&w pic is pretty pointless. I think they should focus on getting video phones in our houses first...

    Although from the looks of this article maybe its all going to be the same...

    Just my $.02

    1. Re:This would be perfect... by horza · · Score: 2

      " I would also agree that 15 bucks is great for a camera attachment, but most cell phones don't have color screens yet, and I think a b&w pic is pretty pointless."

      Most new phones will have colour screen, though even a b&w preview is fine as long as the shot is stored at a decent resolution and colour depth. After all, I expect the picture from a digital video camera to come out crisp and clear, not like the small bitty image I see in the LCD viewfinder. Most of us that fork out for the phones with cameras will be people that have PCs to download to, though I think many of us will be holding off under we get higher than the "376-by-296-pixels".

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  26. Other way around is much better by magi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cramming a small camera in a cell phone results only in useless crappy quality pictures. Not a good idea.

    Putting a cell phone - or network connection - to digital cameras is a much nicer idea.

    Yesterday, I purchased Sony TRV50E digital video camera that has Bluetooth connection. By chance, I happen to own a Nokia 6310i cell phone, which has Bluetooth and GPRS.

    TRV50E has a built-in web browser and mail client in the camera and 3,5 inch touch-screen. I can now take 1300x1024 stills with the video camera, or 320x240 MPEG-2s, and write normal e-mails and attach the stills or video clips as email attachments, using the cell phone as a modem. It's also nice to surf the web using a "large" screen and a stylus, much nicer than with any WAP crap.

    Rather nice web-pad...ehm...web-brick, eh?

    Well, in theory; the video camera connects just fine with the cell phone, and makes a PPP connection, but the GPRS connection fails for some reason. I'm investigating the problem, but unfortunately these cameras and cell phones are not yet too common even here in Finland...

    1. Re:Other way around is much better by White+Shade · · Score: 1

      yes! that's getting close to what I personally feel is the 'right way to go'...

      Rather than having a cellphone with a crappy-ass camera in it, a PDA with a decent camera, and a digital camera (completely redundant now), none of which can communicate with each other and all being far more expensive (well, even just $15 more expensive...) than is necessary, I think i'd want to have:

      1: A *small* cellphone that's very good at being a cellphone, carrying voice and data, and nothing else.
      2: A PDA with a decent screen and input device that would mean that it's not bordering on masochism to browse the 'net and write emails with
      3: A nice digital camera (this could possibly be substituted for a decent camera built into the PDA, although a real digital camera would probably destroy anything that could be fit into a PDA)..

      and then allow all the devices to communicate with each other via bluetooth (or, hell, even just little wires to start off with)..

      That way, you have a set of good, *small* components, each suited perfectly for doing exactly, and only, what you need to do on each one. What's the point of having a tiny crappy screen, a tiny crappy camera, and a tiny crappy input device on your phone, which is now completely overloaded with crap that would be a pain in the butt to use, and isn't even very good?

      With the modular and specific designs for each component, not only will all the devices work better (cellphone battery doesnt have to power needless extra cameras and screens and the like) but the whole experience will be infinitely more enjoyable..

      I'm sure other people have said basically this same thing, I know I'm not the only one who thinks that feature-bloat, especially in hardware, is far less desirable than having one or two devices which are dedicated to doing their job very well?.... I also know that you've been able to do things somewhat like this for a while now, but as evidenced by this and other recent articles, people seem to be moving further and further away from this more sensible method..

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      ìì!
    2. Re:Other way around is much better by fungus · · Score: 1

      Depends of your needs.

      I am about to buy a mini digital camera. Maybe a small aiptek pencam camera or a logitech credit card sized camera. Picture quality is not great, but I want something I can carry around wherever I go, without thinking about it.

      I already carry a cell phone, so for someone like me one with an integrated digital camera could be very nice.

    3. Re:Other way around is much better by TheSync · · Score: 2

      TRV50E has a built-in web browser and mail client in the camera and 3,5 inch touch-screen. I can now take 1300x1024 stills with the video camera, or 320x240 MPEG-2s, and write normal e-mails and attach the stills or video clips as email attachments, using the cell phone as a modem.

      Don't you pay by the MB for GPRS? Isn't that like a $1 email?

    4. Re:Other way around is much better by magi · · Score: 2

      Don't you pay by the MB for GPRS? Isn't that like a $1 email?

      Nope, I have a flat rate GPRS connection, 16 euros ($20) a month. Well, it's a special offer; the typical GPRS cost here in Finland is around 2 euros/MB ($2,5/MB). Well, yeah, that would be a bit too much for emailing MPEG clips...

  27. Conversation Partner? by ckuijjer · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...so that your conversation partner could get a nice real-time view of your ear.

    And you could get nice real-time audio of him looking at your ear.

  28. I want one now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    I hate using the phone for anything except connecting modems (and even that is a rarity nowadays).

    Now I'm going to call all the cute girls I know just in order to enhance the probability to see them nekkid. First need that phone though ;-)

    1. Re:I want one now! by AForwardMotion · · Score: 1

      There's a great idea! Naked phone chat.

    2. Re:I want one now! by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 0
      I hardly think those cute girls want to see me naked: I however want to see them naked ;-)
      Besides, I heard people use webcams to chat naked. Anyone knows how to intercept those streams *grin*?

      (I was the Anonymous poster - accidentally clicked "Post Anonymously" *sigh*)

  29. Cell phones & Cars by Tune · · Score: 1

    1.) Cell phones are definitely getting banned in cars now.

    Hmm. Let's just forget about a hands-free kit and mount your phone to your front bumper. That - combined with a way to remotely stear the car with the cell phone at the other end - should give you the ultimate Pole Position experience! And on top of that: it's much safer to crash your car when you're not in it!

    1. Re:Cell phones & Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think a mobile weapons platform would be the more readily thought of application. Imagine a Uhaul truck with no Timothy McViegh, now imagine 100's of them.

    2. Re:Cell phones & Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nice site there. But this game is confusing - are you really firing at planes with what looks like a penis?

      Shoot down planes with a penis?

    3. Re:Cell phones & Cars by Tune · · Score: 1

      My suggestion was primarily intended as a joke, but I understand your concern.

      > Imagine a Uhaul truck with no Timothy McViegh, now imagine 100's of them.

      Hope you won't think I'm a terrorist when I say thoughts like these have crossed my mind lots of time. Guided trucks, airplanes, Exxon Valdes'... But then, technology to do make that stuff has been available for years to any toy-car, toy-plane or toy-rocket hobbyist. Appearently, it's much to complicated to people that don't understand it's dangerous to kill people. ;-)

      Maybe I'm too naive, but I think terrorists will typically start using simpler weapons rather than more complicated ones: why invent something complicated while security is so bad there are obvious ways to do it simpler.

      While I agree it's always best to keep an eye at the big picture, I think geek applications such as the one I proposed won't endanger anyone - except for the inevitible accidents it will cause on public roads.

    4. Re:Cell phones & Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > [...] this game is confusing - are you really firing at planes with what looks like a penis?

      Hmmm. Strange penis. Mine doesn't look like that ;-)

      Sorry for flaming - or at least being way off-topic

  30. old news by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 1

    these cheap cameras are basically camera obscuras. no lenses, just a small enough hole to define the image. It works, but I remember seeing these somewhere before, and not just in Cryptonomicon

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  31. i can just see it now... by graphicartist82 · · Score: 1

    if the camera is on the other side of the phone, looking away from the person talking... It'll be the end of:

    Husband: No honey, i'm not at the strip club! I'm just working late.

    1. Re:i can just see it now... by Gwyn_232 · · Score: 1


      Well, I can see that sort of thing being commonplace between parents and children - after all, most parents buy their kids mobile phones to keep track of them.

      "No Mom, I'm at the mall with Josie and Kim"
      "Prove it..."

      If I was 15, I certainly wouldn't want one.

    2. Re:i can just see it now... by Xaoswolf · · Score: 1
      Or it could bring a fresh start to

      husband: Well, I can see what you are wearing, no I see what you are doing...

      of course, that is probably when he will crash his car into a telephone pole.

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      Xaotik Designs
  32. What cruise control did for masturbation..... by puto · · Score: 1

    As someone who drives a high riding truck I can tell you over the years I have seen some strange stuff. Specially dudes on the high way with the crucise locked jerking the old chicken at 80 miles an hour. I guess you gotta do someone on those long trips.

    But now with a camera, yech, suppose mom calls?

    Puto

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    The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
  33. Boycott Isreali/Palestinian products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Until these two countries can figure out how to live together without pissing each other off.

    What pisses off Isreal: Suicide Bombers
    What pisses off Palestine: Land grabs/occupation

  34. Well, that all depends on where the camera is. by MarvinMouse · · Score: 1

    If its in the receiver, then you get a great shot of your earwax

    if its in the mouthpiece, you'll get a free tonsil inspection

    if it's on the back... well. you'll get a shot of your hand.

    Too bad the camera doesn't have flash though. I could just imagine it for cell-phone drivers.

    "These camera phones are great! Yes, buy the phone company stocks, buy! BUY!"

    "Actually, now that I have had a chance to think about it. Sell the phone stocks."

    :-)

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    ~ kjrose
    1. Re:Well, that all depends on where the camera is. by MarvinMouse · · Score: 0

      Oops. I forgot to run on Plain Old Text:

      So my joke doesn't work anymore. :-P

      Here's the full one:

      If its in the receiver, then you get a great shot of your earwax

      if its in the mouthpiece, you'll get a free tonsil inspection

      if it's on the back... well. you'll get a shot of your hand, if that means anything to anyone.

      Too bad the camera doesn't have flash though. I could just imagine it for cell-phone drivers.

      "These camera phones are great! Yes, buy the phone company stocks, buy! BUY!" {holds camera in front of face to shout BUY!, accidentally presses take picture button. Flash blinds him and he drives off the road into a ditch.}

      "Actually, now that I have had a chance to think about it. Sell the phone stocks."

      {jk}:-)

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      ~ kjrose
  35. Cell Phone? Camera by WellHungYungWun · · Score: 0

    Why would someone want a crappy camera in a cell phone anyway. Like the previous posters said, a view of my earwax. I read something on a tooth phone yesterday. Great, a way to introduce the radiation directly to your brain stem. When will we ever learn.

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    "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."
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    --
    - Marco
  37. And Then... by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    You could combine it with the previous story -- law enforcement will be chasing you around wanting to hang you out of an aircraft for surveilance!

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  38. This is GREAT for shopping!!! by gelfling · · Score: 4, Funny

    'Ring ring'

    'Hello?'

    'It's me, I'm at the store, do you want ceiling fixtures that look like THIS?'

    'Nah that's the wrong shape, find something octagonal'

    'MMMk - ciao!'

  39. u r teh sux by News+For+Turds · · Score: -1

    Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer Wizard
    v 02.00

    Table of Contents
    1. Overview
    2. DHCP
    3. DNS
    4. IP Address Support
    5. Suggest IP Address (Autonet)
    6. NetWare Support
    a. Supported Versions
    b. NDS Multiple Tree Support
    c. NetWare 5 Support
    d. No Novell Print Path
    e. No NDS volumes
    f. Support for NDS localities
    7. Device Discovery
    a. Gateway
    b. Multi-homed Machines
    c. 0.0.0.0 IP Addresses
    d. Class A Subnet Masks
    8. Driver Support
    a. License Acceptance
    b. Have Disk Support
    c. HP Driver Updates
    9. IPX Port Monitor and Data Corruption
    10. Printer Names
    11. Printer Share Name
    12. Error Messages
    13. Known Problems Installing HP Printer Drivers Under Windows 95/98
    14. Known Problems Installing HP Printer Drivers Under Windows NT 4.0

    1. Overview
    This Read Me file contains last-minute product information for the Hewlett-Packard
    Install Network Printer wizard for Windows 95/ 98 and Windows NT.

    2. DHCP
    If you try to change just the subnet mask on an HP JetDirect print server that has
    been configured via DHCP, you will get an error message while using the Hewlett-Packard
    Install Network Printer wizard. Once a JetDirect print server has been manually
    configured, it will store the IP address, subnet mask and default gateway statically
    instead of trying to obtain them dynamically. Allowing a static change only to the
    subnet mask would cause DHCP-configured IP conflicts in the future. For more information
    on this subject, see the HP JetDirect documentation.

    3. DNS
    In a DNS environment, the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard will
    automatically set up the port with the host name rather than the IP address. If you have
    a DNS environment that allows Host lookup by IP, but not the reverse lookup, the printer
    will never print a page. We consider this environment to be an invalid DNS environment.
    To fix the port without changing the DNS environment, view Properties for the printer.
    Select the ports tab. Select the port that is in use for that printer. Click Configure
    Port. Change the host name to the correct IP address.

    4. IP Address Support
    Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer Wizard do not support class D IP address. Class D IP
    addresses are those addresses with the form of 224.xx.yy.zz

    All addresses of the form 127.xx.yy.zz are reserved for loopback testing. They are not valid IP
    to be used to configure device on the network.

    5. Suggest IP Address (Autonet)
    The algorithm for obtaining the IP address for the "Suggest Settings..." button is
    derived from the Internet Draft DHC-IPV4-AUTOCONFIG by R. Troll entitled "Automatically
    Choosing an IP Address in an Ad-Hoc IPv4 Network". The algorithm for generating the IP
    address is to randomly generate an address in the 169.254.x.x reserved address range,
    then determine if it is in use on the network. If it is in use, generate another address
    in the range. Repeat until an address is generated that is not in use. The resulting
    address is not intended for use on the Internet. Microsoft uses a similar scheme for
    determining an IP address on Windows 98 and Windows 2000 when the system is in an environment
    that doesn't have a DHCP or bootp server, and the system is configured to dynamically
    determine and IP address.

    6. NetWare Support
    a. Supported Versions
    The supported versions of NetWare are: 3.11, 3.12, 3.2, 4.11, 4.2. For Novell
    queue creation, you must be logged into a Novell bindery or NDS server using a Novell
    supplied client requester. See www.novell.com for client updates.
    b. NDS Multiple Tree Support
    The Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard only provides support for the NDS
    tree the user is currently logged into. If a different tree is desired you must quit
    the application, change your login to the desired tree and rerun the application.
    c. NetWare 5.0 Support
    If NetWare 5 is configured for IPX, and an IPX connection is being used on the client,
    the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer Wizard can be used to create an NDS print
    queue. If NetWare 5 is configured for TCP/IP and a TCP/IP connection is being used on
    the client, the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard can be used to create
    an IP print path. If the client on which the application is being run has an IPX
    connection to the NetWare 5 server, and the client is logged in, an NDS queue server
    print path will be recommended. If IPX is not in use but TCP/IP is, a TCP/IP print
    path will be recommended. In order to create NDS queues, an IPX connection with a
    login must be present.
    d. No Novell Print Path
    The Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard relies upon several DLLs that ship
    with the Novell Client for 95 and NT. The application will look for these DLLs and
    the associated entry points within them. If any of the necessary DLLs are missing,
    or if they do not have the needed entry points (perhaps an old version), a Novell
    print path will not be available although other supported print paths will be. If a
    Novell print path is not available when you think one should be, try upgrading your
    Novell client software to a newer version.

    e. No NDS volumes shown in NetWare 4.11
    There is a known problem reading the list of available NDS volumes in NetWare 4.11 with
    service pack prior to version 7. This problem has been seen in cases were the user
    logs into an NDS context that is at a lower level than the available volumes. The solution
    is to install the NetWare 4 Support Pack 7 or upgrade to NetWare 4.2.

    f. Support for NDS localities
    The Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer Wizard cannot recognize localities in the
    NDS context.

    7. Device Discovery
    a. Gateway
    Discovery performance will be very slow if your client PC does not have a gateway
    configured. To configure a gateway, choose "Network" in the Control Panel, and then
    look at Properties for the TCP/IP protocol. An input should appear for entering a
    gateway address. See the online help for a more information on TCP/IP and gateways.
    b. Multi-homed Machines
    Multi-homed machines are not supported. In a multi-homed machine, it is not possible
    to distinguish between multiple devices with the same IP address. A multi-homed
    machine is a computer with more than one network connection. It is possible for two
    or more devices on different networks to have the same IP address. A multi-homed
    machine would see both devices and there would be no guarantee that you are
    configuring the correct device. In this case, either disable all but the correct
    network card, or configure the HP JetDirect print server from another PC that is on
    the correct network and has only one network card. This problem may also occur on
    PCs that contains both a network card and a dial-up adapter.
    c. 0.0.0.0 IP Addresses
    Assuming that an IP address is not assigned, a JetDirect-connected printer will have
    an IP address of "0.0.0.0" for approximately 2 minutes after a factory reset. After
    2 minutes the IP address will automatically be assigned "192.0.0.192". Attempts to
    configure a "0.0.0.0" device through an IP print path will fail. You must wait until
    the HP JetDirect device has a non-zero IP address before attempting to configure it.
    d. Class A Subnet Masks
    If the machine running the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard has an IP
    subnet mask of "255.0.0.0" (which is known as a "Class A" subnet mask), device
    discovery will suffer a significant performance degradation. To improve discovery
    performance you must change your subnet mask to a non-Class A subnet mask.

    8. Driver Support
    a. License Support
    Some drivers require the acceptance of a license. When installing a driver, if a
    dialog appears that requests acceptance of a license, you must approve the license
    before the application will continue. Failure to approve the license will result in
    the application hanging.
    b. Have Disk Support
    To support new printers or drivers, the "Have Disk" button can be utilized during
    driver installation. For the "Have Disk" functionality to work, the media must
    contain an "inf" file (e.g. filename.inf). Some driver updates available on the
    World Wide Web are in the form of self-extracting archives and are not in a format
    that "Have Disk" can utilize. In this case, install the driver before running the
    Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard.
    c. HP Driver Updates
    Hewlett-Packard driver updates can be found on the World Wide Web at:
    www.hp.com/go/support
    NOTE: This URL is subject to change.

    9. IPX Port Monitor and Data Corruption
    Some printers may experience data corruption when used with the Hewlett-Packard IPX
    Port monitor under Windows NT. These errors may be corrected either by installing an
    appropriate hot fix for NT or by installing Service Pack 4 from Microsoft.

    10. Printer Names
    When naming a printer within the Hewlett-Packard Install Network Printer wizard you
    must enter a name in English that conforms to the Microsoft Printer Naming rules
    (i.e. what would be accepted in the Microsoft Add Printer wizard). If a localized name
    is required, assign the printer name in English and finish the install. Then open the
    printer folder from the Control Panel and select the desired printer. Select "Rename"
    from the File menu and rename the printer with a localized name.

    11. Printer Share Name
    Spaces are not allowed for naming printer shared name.

    12. Error Messages
    Error writing to for : The system cannot write to the specified file.

    This error message may appear when attempting to print a test page or during regular
    use. It usually means the printer is out of paper or unavailable. Check the printer
    and make sure it is plugged in, has paper, etc. If you were running the Hewlett-Packard
    Install Network Printer wizard when this occurred, there is no need to rerun the
    application. Simply locate the printer in the printer folder and right mouse click on
    it. Choose "Properties" and select to print a test page. If you have corrected the
    error condition, a test page should now print.

    Driver cannot install. Must run printer's setup program.

    When installing certain HP printers (see tables below under #11 and #12), the Hewlett-Packard
    Install Network Printer wizard may not be able to install the driver. You will receive an
    error message stating that you need to run the printer's setup program. The Hewlett-Packard
    Install Network Printer wizard may create the printer in the printer's folder despite this error.
    The installed printer will not function properly. After the wizard exits, run the setup
    program that comes with the printer. You may have to identify the printer as existing on a
    local port such as LPT1. Install the printer using this setup program. Now delete both
    printers from the printer folder (the printer created by the HP wizard and the printer created
    by the printer's setup program). Run the HP wizard a second time. This time choose existing
    drivers. You will see two similar printer strings. One will be from the first HP wizard
    install and one from the printer's setup install. Choose one. If the wizard exists
    successfully you chose the proper driver. If the installation fails, rerun the wizard and
    this time choose the other driver. Finally, check to make sure the printer created is the
    default printer. This can be accomplished by right mouse clicking on the printer in the
    printer's folder and seeing if "Set As Default" is checked.

    13. Known Problems Installing HP Printer Drivers Under Windows 95/98
    Some HP printer drivers do not install correctly using the printer .INF file and the
    "Have Disk..." option. These drivers and the behaviors that they exhibit are listed
    below, along with directions to install these drivers properly.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 8100
    Behavior: PCL 6 driver will not install. The user will receive a "Spool 32" error.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the PCL 6 driver.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 8000
    Behavior: PCL 6 driver will not install. The user will receive a "Spool 32" error.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the PCL 6 driver.

    Printer Model: HP Mopier 320
    Behavior: PCL 6 driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling them
    to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer
    installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the PCL 6 driver.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 4050
    Behavior: PCL 5e driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling them
    to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer
    installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the PCL 5e driver.

    Printer Model: HP Color LaserJet 4500
    Behavior: Postscript driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling
    them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the
    printer installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the Postscript
    driver.

    Printer Model: HP DeskJet 2500C
    Behavior: The DeskJet 2500C driver will not install. The user will receive an error message
    telling them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run
    the printer installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 5M
    Behavior: The following drivers will not install properly: PCL Standard, PCL Enhanced,
    Postscript. The user will receive an error message telling them to run the setup
    program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer installer again.
    Solution:
    The drivers for the HP LaserJet 5M can not be installed with the "Install Network
    Printer Wizard." Please use JetAdmin or Web JetAdmin to install this printer and drivers.

    Printer Model: HP Color LaserJet
    Behavior: The following drivers will not install properly: HP Color LaserJet, HP Color LaserJet
    5/5M (CLJ5FR), HP Color LaserJet 5/5M (HP). The user will receive an error message
    telling them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run
    the printer installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

    Printer Model: HP Color LaserJet 5
    Behavior: The following drivers will not install properly: HP Color LaserJet, HP Color LaserJet
    5/5M (CLJ5FR), HP Color LaserJet 5/5M (HP), HP Color LaserJet 5/5M Postscript. The
    user will receive an error message telling them to run the setup program that came
    with this printer, and then to run the printer installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 6P
    Behavior: The following drivers will not install properly: PCL Standard, PCL Enhanced,
    Postscript. The user will receive an error message telling them to run the setup
    program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 6L
    Behavior: The PCL Standard will not install properly. The user will receive an error message
    telling them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run
    the printer installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

    Printer Model: HP OfficeJet Pro 1170C
    Behavior: The OfficeJet Pro 1170C driver will not install properly. The user will receive an
    error message telling them to run the setup program that came with this printer, and
    then to run the printer installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the file Setup.exe that came with the printer driver to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

    Printer Model: HP DeskJet 1120
    Behavior: There is a port monitor error right after installing the printer. The printer supplied
    driver is not supported
    Solution:
    1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.
    2. Run the "Install Network Printer Wizard" to install the printer with the driver.

    14. Known Problems Installing HP Printer Drivers Under Windows NT 4.0
    Some HP printer drivers do not install correctly using the printer .INF file and the "Have Disk..." option. These drivers and the behaviors that they exhibit are listed below, along with directions to install these drivers properly.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 8100
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 PCL 6 client driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 5000
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 PCL 5 client driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 4050
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 PCL 5 and PCL 6
    client drivers.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 2100
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 PCL and Poscript
    client drivers.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP Laser Jet 6L
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 Postcript client
    driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP Laser Jet 5P
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 Postcript client
    driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP Laser Jet 5L
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 Postcript client
    driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP Laser Jet 5
    Behavior: Driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling them to run
    the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer installer
    again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.

    Printer Model: HP LaserJet 5Si Mopier
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP DeskJet 895C
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP DeskJet 890
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP DeskJet 870
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP DeskJet 2000C
    Behavior: Driver will not install. The user will receive an error message telling them
    to run the setup program that came with this printer, and then to run the printer
    installer again.
    Solution:
    1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.

    Printer Model: HP DeskJet 2500C
    Behavior: Windows NT 4.0 shared printers cannot install the Windows 95/98 client driver.
    Solution:
    1. Windows 95/98 client connecting to the Windows NT shared printer must install driver
    manually

    Printer Model: HP OfficeJet Pro 1170C
    Behavior: No inf file that describe printer drivers.
    Solution:
    1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.

    Printer Model: HP CopyJet
    Behavior: No inf file that describe printer drivers.
    Solution:
    1. Run the Setup.exe that came with the printer to install the driver.

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  40. this guy did it for free... by fabiolrs · · Score: 1

    ...using a regular computer: Check it out!

    im not in any way affiliated with the site...

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    http://www.morroida.com.br
  41. The good old days by Chacham · · Score: 0

    get a nice real-time view of your ear

    Well, in the good old days, when you wanted someone to see your ear, you cut if off and sent it to them!

    --
    Have you read my journal today?
    1. Re:The good old days by hplasm · · Score: 1

      It would at least be useful for kidnappers who hate the sight of blood.

      --
      ...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
  42. Re:Cell Phone? Camera by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 2

    To improve reception, we'll have to start using sub-dermal antennas. Just a few quick slices of the scalp and insert a permanent high-gain antenna. Of course, to reduce the radiation, we'll use lead shielding under the antenna. Then, to prevent lead poisoning, we'll use surgical stainless steel sheathing. By the time it's all over, your head will look like a baseball, but you'll get almost 2/3 the reception of a normal cell phone!

    And there's always the screw-on external antenna - but that requires drilling a socket in your skull.

    --
    That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
  43. Why this is useful by Cato · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think picture messaging (part of MMS [Multimedia Messaging Service] in GPRS networks) will be huge, and this camera chip will help it take off. If you can send a picture to anyone with an MMS mobile phone or an email account, you can send postcards to friends and 'how do I fix this' messages to suitable experts, and get 'top 5 goals' messages, photos from Internet personal ads, etc... The more people have a camera built into their phone, the more they will use it (though probably never as much as plain text SMS).

    MMS phones are already available in Europe (Ericsson T68i, with Nokia 7650 soon) where MMS is just starting - in Japan, J-Phone has had a huge success with picture messaging, known as Sha-Mail (over 4 million picture messaging handsets sold). Watch this space...

    Even if you don't have a mobile phone, you'll be able to send email with picture/sound/video attachments to anyone with an MMS phone.

    1. Re:Why this is useful by ahfoo · · Score: 2

      I think GPRS will be struggling in two years and in hindsight will be quite a disapointment.
      GPRS is finally a here and now solution in many parts of the US though not everywhere, but it's also pricey.
      While many devices such as handhelds already support GPRS, almost every handheld manufacturer in Taiwan is promising 802.11x by the second end of 2002. So if this product is supposed to be hitting the maket in 2004 I think it's going to miss the boat.
      I'm the first one to say that CPU advances are hitting the wall hard and progress will be slowing soon, but wireless networking is another story. Betting against a big uptick in genuine wireless broadband in favor of stop gap solutions like GPRS seems short sighted.

    2. Re:Why this is useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude! 2002 is going to end twice. How appropriate.

    3. Re:Why this is useful by Cato · · Score: 2

      GPRS will be everywhere that GSM exists today (i.e. available in almost every country), a fairly slow but always-available packet-based transport - it is sometimes unreliable at present at least in the UK, but it generally works OK and is fast enough for short emails and suitably small web pages. Great for killing time if you are waiting to meet someone and have exhausted your AvantGo offline reading.

      GPRS will also be upgraded to EDGE in many countries, tripling capacity and improving performance a lot. W-CDMA/UMTS (i.e. true 3G for GSM operators) is much more expensive to roll out but will provide more flexibility and performance - the real issue is whether 3G will make enough money to pay back its investment.

      802.11b/Wi-Fi is not really an alternative to GPRS - there is no way there will be hot spots covering the whole of a large city, which is what GPRS does today. Wi-Fi is great for use in hotspots and within businesses - the ideal is a phone or PDA that has Wi-Fi, GPRS and perhaps 3G, switching between them based on availability and cost. Nokia has already released a PC card that does Wi-Fi and GPRS, and one trend is to put GSM SIM cards (smartcards) into Wi-Fi PC Cards, enabling you to automatically bill your Wi-Fi usage to your GSM phone account.

      Finally, this camera chip is of course not dependent on GPRS, it will work fine with any wireless technology including CDMA2000. Most of what I've said above applies to CDMA, with CDMA2000 1x instead of GPRS and CDMA2000 1xEV-DO instead of W-CDMA - the only difference really is that CDMA operators have a much easier upgrade path, and don't need much spectrum, but they will probably remain in the minority world wide compared to the 70% market share of GSM globally.

    4. Re:Why this is useful by ahfoo · · Score: 2

      I agree that 802.11b as it is today is not an alternative to GPRS or CDMA, but here we have Atheros claiming to have a solution for 802.11a that has up to five times the range of 802.11b without violating power restrictions. The technology this is based on was called 802.11h for awhile.
      Besides, while flat out range is the easy way to compare cellular and WiFi if you're arguing from the former's perspective, it misses a key difference in the technologies that we see embodied within a mess of 802 standards: Quality of Service and Security. These latter points may be more dangerous for old school wireless providers than simple range comparisons. In 802.11e, we see Quality of Service being laid out for wireless LANs. Once you start adding QoS and 50Mbps bandwidth together with a technology that is inherently mobile the definition of LAN starts to get a bit arbitrary and leaks into MAN or WAN.
      However, you might counter that even if QoS on ad hoc wireless networks was being handled with the kind of efficiency that's currently only found on backbone switches it still couldn't become some kind of giant mesh network. Why not? Well the answer is trust. Folks aren't going to share a piece of their connection even if it means lower prices for everyone. They just don't trust each other, right? Hmm. Well sometimes that's true, but it all depends on the details.
      Enter the Dragon --no, wait it's just 802.11i and 802.1x but close enough. These bad puppies are about taking the need for trust out of the picture by securing up these protocols.
      Fantasy! Rubbish! It's all lies! I hear the cynics amongst you. But you have to admit if these standards bodies have already been formed at the IEEE, then somebody is taking this seriously.
      Sure, for now GPRS and CDMA --the cell phone sustems-- are the way to go for the tiny minority who would pay that much for wireless data services. But personally I think wireless devices will take off about the time they become cheap enough that you can stream MP3s off your home server and that will have to be very very cheap probably like $10 a month for all you can eat 256K streaming downloads and I believe 802.11 standards will make it happen and the user's devices themselves will be the access points. If you think it sounds far fetched, tell it to the IEEE. And, get that resume updated!

    5. Re:Why this is useful by ahfoo · · Score: 2

      I want to play some more.
      See, if a fixed wireless ISP builds out a network like this using 802.11a and say a cheap Cogent 1gbps backbone connection and they're capping the users at 256kbps which is still plenty in today's world, they could build out fast with minimal infrastructure by simply using their own subscribers as base stations. If the subscriber is limited to 256k you've got a nice chunk of trunk line a few hundred feet in every direction from every user Let's say roughly four thousand users and the bandwidth is only ten grand a month. With high enough penetration, you don't need any infrastructure at all. Compare that to a cell network. There is no comparison. The product is similar, but the technologies are fundamentally different and the costs are incomparable.
      Now, imagine this fixed wireless ISP has all these users, let's say in LA they decide to buy up four or five separate 1 Gig lines and they've got 20K or so uers. Well, eventually a lot of those users are going to be within range of the freeways. Next thing you're competing with the cell networks for freeway access using your subscriber's base stations and you don't have to pay for real estate, or cell towers or network planners or any of that crap that makes cell netowrks expensive and filled with fully employed individuals so cocksure about the future.
      But, wait! It gets better.
      Now our imaginary fixed wireless ISP is offering mobile wireless to people on the freeway for their handhelds. Let's say we're in 2004 by now and handhelds are finally worth buying. Well holy shit, this is where it gets really freaky --and I did see that whuzzisname piece where he mentioned this same idea-- the cars are mobile in a completely separate sense than radio waves, but they're mobile nonetheles. The implications are bizarre.
      Now our fixed line wireless provider who doesn't own any base stations anywhere except for the ones his users have in their homes and handheld devices is having his bandwidth carried right out of the freakin' city in a stream that is precisely defined by the freeway, but which can be tapped into by anyone next to the freeway as well. If traffic density can be guaranteed, as it often can in Los Angeles, reliable service could be carried literally hundreds of miles away.
      Ahh! But here's the catch right? There's no fucking way any one company is going to get that density.
      Touche! It doesn't have to be a single company. ISPs could allow users to cross back and forth between networks. Hey! That's why they call in the Internet. Wild stuff. But if even a quarter of the cars on the road were network access points with a thousand feet of radius we'd be seeing fairly robust networks and cellular would be for emergency use only.

  44. forget the ear... by dmarien · · Score: 0

    ...combine it with the tooth cell, and get a real live shot of the world through the callers mouth :)

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    dmarien
  45. Codec by FrostedWheat · · Score: 1

    Couple this with the previous story about Microsoft working to create a 'standard' codec for mobile phones, and you could have bad news!

    Maybe they see this market coming and want to be in the middle of it before it even starts, with there own patented video codec alongside the 'open' audio codec they are working to create.

    What are the odds that any video phone would use entirely open systems?

  46. Fer Cryin' Out Loud by cryptochrome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everytime someone suggests putting a camera in mobile phone, there's always a bunch of people who assume that it would be used for videoconferencing purposes or high-rez photography, and whine about how useless it is. Get a clue. There are very good reasons to have even a low-rez camera in your phone, some of them more useful than having a phone/PDA combo. Consider the REAL uses:

    1) How many times have you been somewhere where you REALLY wished you had a camera, but you didn't. How often did you have your mobile phone? (assuming you had one at all)

    2) Have you ever been in a situation where you would have liked to quickly relay your situation to someone, i.e. you're witnessing a crime in progress, someone ran into your car and you'd like to keep a record of the situation, you need to describe a location to someone who's familiar with the area, etc.

    3) Have you ever run out of storage on your camera, or wanted to send pictures or streaming video for live updates to something on the web?

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    ---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?

    1. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 3, Interesting

      uh...

      1) Very rarely, if ever.

      2) Yes, but a camera in my phone wouldn't be my first, or even second choice.

      3) Uh, nope.

      While its cool the tech sector and mad scientists everywhere are trying to put everything we'll ever use into one little box, I want them to get re-focused on the important stuff.

      First off, figure out a way I can safely put metal in a microwave. And secondly, I want my flying car damnit! I mean, its 2002 for crying out loud. Where the hell are the flying cars!?

      Blah, all in all, cute toy, but doomed I would think.

    2. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by horza · · Score: 2

      uh...

      1) More times than I can imagine

      2) A camera in my phone would be my first choice. The only two other things I carry are my wallet and my watch. The former doesn't have a screen and the latter is titanium and so light I can hardly feel it and I like it that way.

      I think it's as doomed as text messaging was predicted to be.

      Phillip.

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    3. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by lelitsch · · Score: 2

      Once this comes down a bit in price, and the resolution goes up, it's probably a killer app. "Hey Mom, I am on top of El Cap, take a look at this picture"

      I could sell thousands of these on a cruise ship. No film, no figuring out how to get the pictures off the digital camera and on a computer. You could even have the phone call Kodak every night and your vacation album, nicely printed and bound on the day you return. Or have them loaded onto your Tivo as a slide show you can spring on unsuspecting visitors. Or, if you really want to annoy the crap out of your aquaintances, have Kodak send them an album of your vacation pictures every week while you are on the cruise.

      Even if the normal slashdottian doesn't get it, convenience is a huge business.

    4. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by Frobnicator · · Score: 1
      Forget those uses, move to the more fun / paranoid / evil ...

      Investigators (pubilc and private) have access to that kind of thing already -- just costs a little more. With this sort of thing (in theory) we could see a lot of phone hacks, and people conveniently leaving their phone 'on accident' in all sorts of places.

      You want the ultimate in spyware, imagine this ad:

      Get a free Nokia video-enabled phone with 1-year service agreement. Only $19 a month for basic service!
      Get the phone, conveniently leave it somewhere you want to spy, get a few hours worth of video. Depending on where you left it, either pick it up, or call the company and notify them that the phone was stolen while you were at the mall or other public place.

      That kind of spying would be cheaper than an X-10 cam, and would work anywhere inside the phone's service area. Even at lo-res you could still get a wealth of information. Leave your phone pointing at an ATM or a POS terminal. Leave it at a bank and listen to financial information while pointing at their transaction papers. Blackmail your friends and foes by leaving the phone in a bedroom or bathroom.

      Just a thought...

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      //TODO: Think of witty sig statement
    5. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 2

      If integratd cameras are to be all the rage, then why hasn't anyone (to my knowledge, and if I'm wrong please correct me) build a PDA with a Sony Picturebook style camera in it? I would find it many times more useful than a "phone-cam". And while they're at it, put a phone in the PDA, with just a headset jack for mic/speaker. Small device, easy enough to carry on a belt, in a pocket or a shoulder rig.

    6. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      No, there is no good reason for a low-res camera besides wankery. Let's look at your examples.

      1) How many times have you been somewhere where you REALLY wished you had a camera, but you didn't. How often did you have your mobile phone? (assuming you had one at all)

      Every time this has come up, it's been something that you actually have to see to appreciate. I'm talking something you'd like to recognize later. A 320x200 image just doesn't cut it. Some cheap-ass pinhole camera is just going to look like doodoo.

      2) Have you ever been in a situation where you would have liked to quickly relay your situation to someone, i.e. you're witnessing a crime in progress, someone ran into your car and you'd like to keep a record of the situation, you need to describe a location to someone who's familiar with the area, etc.

      Again, some tiny low-res image is just not going to help here. Furthermore, you're not going to be able to send the digital photo to 911 anyway, they're not on a cellphone. So just how would that help?

      3) Have you ever run out of storage on your camera, or wanted to send pictures or streaming video for live updates to something on the web?

      Yes, but this would be better-served by having a bluetooth module in my actual digital camera. As for streaming video, even 3G cellphones don't have enough bandwidth for that unless you are on a relatively unused cell site. If you're in LA, just forget it right now; ditto for any other urban center.

      Any digital camera with less than 640x480 resolution is nothing more than a joke. Images over 320x200 will be impractical to diaplay on a phone, or transmit over a cellular connection. You won't be able to use a cheap-ass camera with no lens worth mentioning for anything worthwhile. If you want an emergency backup camera, get the new slide-open cam from logitech, which is still crap (though 640x480 crap) But is very very small and supposedly quite durable.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by cryptochrome · · Score: 2

      I agree, less than VGA rez 640x480 isn't very useful for pictures (though it's adequate for video, i.e. VCDs). Said Logitech camera is actually based on technology from Smal Camera, and is also employed in the Fujifilm Axia. The tech is small enough (and fairly advanced - it has automatic saturation control so details still come through) and could be integrated into a cell phone. Sony also came up with a memory-stick using camera that was about the size of a pack of gum. Not to mention the recent X3 technology which should give big improvements in color and sharpness and smaller sensors per rez, particularly for low-rez imagers which have the most trouble with color artifacts.

      In any case, the technology is already there now and will get significantly better in the near future. A tiny camera you have with you at all times can still be very useful.

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      ---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?

    8. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by horza · · Score: 2

      " If integratd cameras are to be all the rage, then why hasn't anyone (to my knowledge, and if I'm wrong please correct me) build a PDA with a Sony Picturebook style camera in it? I would find it many times more useful than a "phone-cam"."

      Like this one? Or how about this one?

      "And while they're at it, put a phone in the PDA, with just a headset jack for mic/speaker."

      What, like this one?

      I hope you feel suitably corrected :-)

      Phillip.

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      Property for sale in Nice, France
    9. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 2

      Cool. I hadn't (obviously) been on top of all these nifty little toys. Now if they were just popular enough to be widely available. =P

      (There isn't much to be had in local electronics shops, and I'd like to handle one before buying it)

    10. Re:Fer Cryin' Out Loud by drinkypoo · · Score: 2
      Right, I know they're out there, especially with the new CMOS tech and whatnot, I'm just saying, if you're doing it cheap - You need a CCD and a CCD controller/decoder, and you need some way to get that data into the rest of the cellphone but you can just use a fairly high-speed serial link for that, so the complexity of your design doesn't rise THAT much. However, it most definitely does rise. You could do custom silicon if you made enough of them, and integrate the CCD decoder into one of the other chips, but I'm not sure that's cost-effective either.

      Anyway, any CCD cheap enough for these purposes is going to be crappy. It'll probably be 640x480 by now, the lower-resolution CCDs have all but died out in consumer products, and some of those are forty bucks for a USB camera, at least on a Fry's special or similar. But you really want a real lens. I hereby predict that someone will come out with a cellphone with a camera with a telescoping lens; it will be heinously expensive but well worth it. And I'm talking about a design that does not appreciably increase the size of the phone here... Must put a bound on this. If this doesn't happen within three years of those things gaining any popularity whatsoever, I will write "JERK" on one buttcheek and "CITY" on the other and take you all a picture in support of my favorite webcomic which has nothing whatsoever to do with this comment.

      Thank you.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  47. I was just wishing I had this... by thealpha · · Score: 0

    How many times have I been on the phone and told the person I was speaking to "I wish you could see this too!" If the bandwith issue was ever worked out, you could use an earpiece and point the phone at whatever you wanted the person to see.

  48. I'd love something like this! by dimer0 · · Score: 2

    Who cares about realtime.. There's so many times when I see another Dodge Neon with "Viper Series" stickers all over it with painted/flaking calipers/wheels, man.. To be able to always get pictures of those ricers and expose them to the world, well, I'd pay $2k for one of those phones.

    1. Re:I'd love something like this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen this site?

      It hasn't been updated lately, but it's great at mocking those jackass street racers who think they are so 31337.

      I especially love to mock the morons who put "Type R" stickers on their car, no matter what it is. Listen up fools, unless you're driving an Acura, you can't possibly have a Type R. When you put those stickers on your Neon, it makes about as much sense as putting a "Hilton" sign on an outhouse. But go ahead, keep begging everyone to laugh at you, and we'll happily oblige.

    2. Re:I'd love something like this! by dimer0 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I've definitely seen that.. And ever since the F&F was released, there's just more and more to look at every day!! hahaha The m0r0Nz

  49. inside your ear by elvum · · Score: 1

    "your conversation partner could get a nice real-time view of your ear"

    but only if they had eyes inside their ears. I start to worry about Michael and his friends...

  50. Most new Japanese phones have cameras already by hqm · · Score: 3, Informative

    What is the big news here? J-Phone in Japan
    has been selling mobile phones with cameras for
    the last two years now. DoCoMo now makes its own
    line, and the J-Phones can now send short movies.
    The US is way behind in mobile phone technology,
    with a divided and hopelessly bug-ridden wireless data infrastructure, due to the greed and stupidity of the wireless carriers and the "WAP" idiocy.

  51. Casio has a watch by peterdaly · · Score: 2

    While it is not $15, Casio has fit a black and white digital camera into a watch that can save 100 pictures, if memory serves me.

    About $250 I believe
    Casio's Camera Watch.

    -Pete

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    Soccer Goal Plans
  52. Wax-in it. by governorx · · Score: 1

    The most common conversation:

    Other end: Hows it goin...
    Your end: Fine, lemme turn on my camera.
    Other end: Alright but to see your picture I need to attach my lcd to my phone.
    *** 5 minutes later ***
    Other End: Pictures coming in fine.. May I suggest a Q-tip? BTW, how are you able to hear what I'm saying?
    Your End: Maybe it isn't poor connectivity...
    (you get cut off)
    Other End: Wow look at that eardrum resonate.
    Your End: Cool.
    Other End: Cool.
    *** another minute passes ***
    Other End: This is boring.
    Your End: Lemme show you the hole in my pocket.
    Other End: No wait!! Ahh!
    *** Disconnect ***

  53. Don't support racism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    We should not be supporting the racist state
    of Israel. They must give the Palestinians
    their rights and join the civilized world.
    Until then, ask every supporter of Israel;
    do they support the idea that there should be
    all rights for every person. If not, why not?

  54. Re:Don't support "racism" [weiss] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, there are many cute Arab girls in Israeli universities - especially Huji. I'd love to date them (except of the mad ones who carry pictures of shahids).

    This message was brought to you by The Holy NVWS. Thank you for reading it. Btw: I am looking for a girlfriend

  55. timing is key by eracerblue · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if you read the article you might actually notice this:

    This device is expected to be ready in two years.

    So, in other words, by the time this thing gets released, it will be obsolete.
    The company may as well file for bankruptcy right now.

  56. Small screens by Tune · · Score: 1

    I Agree a 40 x 120 pixel b&w screen is useless. Personally, I feel the same about the "high-res" colour screens in i-mode phones - or the preview panels on photo camera's for that matter. Hopefully (in the unforeseeable future) we'll have video beamers small and cheap enough to fit into our phones.

    Still, $15 dollars for the camera is a good start for Starwars-like holographic communicators!

  57. "All they would see is the inside of your ear" by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

    Well, your wife would see that you hold the phone three foot from your ear whenever she starts screaming at you.

    --
    What a depressingly stupid machine.
    1. Re: "All they would see is the inside of your ear" by Yhcrana · · Score: 1

      "Depressingly Stupid".... I like that alot. Well put. :clap: :clap: give this person a medal for common sense

      Yhcrana

      --

      The voices in my head don't like you

  58. Big Deal. by EnglishTim · · Score: 2

    They're talking about having made a cheap chip - it doesn't mention anything about including a CCD with that.

    Such things exist already - my espion digital camera cost £40 (for the whole camera - and it's about 1cm x 3cm x 5cm in size), and it's based on the ST Microelectronics STV0680 chipset The chipset supports 8Mb memory - up to 640x480 resolution, has USB client controller built in, will drive an LCD display, and works as a USB webcam. Basically all you need to do to make a digital camera is connect a CCD with a lens, a couple of buttons, a USB plug and a battery to it and you're done.

    This chip sounds very similar, but it hardly sounds new.

    1. Re:Big Deal. by eod · · Score: 1

      (for the record, I'm not familiar with the chip, just guessing from what I've read in the article)

      The main part of that chip is probably a CMOS imaging sensor. That way they dont need a CCD chi . The reason for doing this is to be able to integrate everything on the same chip, and therefore get a more compact and robust system. Another advantage is that an ordinary CMOS process can be used instead of a CCD process, that will also reduce the pricetag.

      You are right that this isn't news, maybe that they have put it in a phone, but not the chip.

  59. megalomedia did this nearly 7 years ago & ... by spd_rcr · · Score: 1

    a friends company in NZ approached nokia nearly 7 years ago w/ the blueprints for adding a camera to the existing nokia line complete w/ empeg encoding & display for under $30NZ (that's roughly $15US), keep in mind the drop in prices since '95-'96, of course they were turned down, being ahead of their time & not americans.
    http://www.megalo.co.nz ask for jeremy

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  60. Battery consumption by CanadaDave · · Score: 2

    This thing would use up batteries like there's no tomorrow...especially if the camera was being used continuously for a video call.

    1. Re:Battery consumption by synshyne · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure there would be a way to turn the camera on when you want it on to save battery space...then again if they make people start wearing a chunky battery pack just to recharge the battery after every 3 minute phone call then I say forget it...

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      -Alicia
  61. You are wrong because... by horza · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... speaking as a consumer I'm going to go out and get the first decent mobile with camera built in. It's going to be great to be able to whip it out at a bar or party when someone decides to make a fool of themselves :-) As for "A person using a phone is doing so to communicate verbally" that simply isn't true in Europe. My friends and I tend to split our usage 50/50 between voice and text messaging. I agree with the picture quality statement though, I want at least 640x480 so I can put the pics up on a web site.

    Phillip.

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    Property for sale in Nice, France
    1. Re:You are wrong because... by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      ...speaking as a consumer who will never own a PDA and who doesn't buy gadgets generally, I think a picture-phone might actually be pretty handy on some occasions. For instance, if I had one of those when I witnessed a hit-and-run accident, that would have been nice. It could also serve as a good deterrent. Assuming the picture can be uploaded quickly, who would mug/kill a person that had just taken a picture of them?

  62. Gives whole new meaning... by YanceyAI · · Score: 2

    ...to the idea of an obscene phone call.

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    Can I bum a sig?
  63. I just saw a Sprint 3G demo that does this better by pmancini · · Score: 2

    This past weekend I saw a demo of Sprint's new 3G technology (CDMA2000 based) in which a 3G enabled camera posted pictures taken up on a distant web server. I was able to access the web server via a laptop with a 3G PC-Card in it. It is stronger than wi-fi (3G is available anywhere a cell phone is) and it is almost as fast as wi-fi.

    The Sprint people indicated that the capacity would increase in the year that followed to make 3G a great alternative technology. I espcially liked the idea of broadband to PDA/Phone. Wireless networking isn't supposed to make me excited (I run a wifi for my apartment building) but this demo was done in the middle of a parking lot that was surrounded by fields! Now the people of Lenexa, KS can finally surf the web while driving the combines. Isn't that what technology is about?

    More web-surfing and less using it to make the US a police state.

  64. The Robinsons by the+bluebrain · · Score: 1

    Contrary to some comments to this article, I would say that cameras in mobile phones is an absolute lifestyle MUST-HAVE.

    I mean, it's one thing hanging out on a beach on Ko Tao and just *calling* your friends back home in the drizzle - you only get to tell them how nice it is.

    But if you can give them a vidio-pan of your surroundings at the same time, the whole undertaking acquires an actual point ...

    "Bert ... check this out!" [pans camera]

    Bert: "Uh ..." [sound of jaw dropping]
    "Wait! Who was that?!"

    "Oh, just the beach bunnies who bring the drinks. They're always dressed like that."

    Bert: "Uh ... I wouldn't call that dressed, exactly."

    "Anyway, I just wanted to say that I'm having a great time, and that I wish you could be here too."

    Bert: "You got that bloody right, mate."

    Yes ... I've got to get one of these ...

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  65. The Israeli's can always do it cheaper by aminorex · · Score: 0, Troll

    The Israeli's can do anything cheaper, because
    the U.S. has already paid for it twice over.
    U.S. direct financial aid to Israel is over $US14,000
    per capita per annum (and total costs to the US
    of aid per Israeli citizen including debt interest
    come to over $21,000). Most companies in Isreal
    don't even need to make a profit, because the
    handouts from the state make Asian crony capitalism
    look like a model of purity and virtue.

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    -I like my women like I like my tea: green-
  66. $15? Figures by rosewood · · Score: 2

    Comes from Israel, damn cheap jews ...

    *rimshot*

    I kid, I kid! A little John Stewart humor there for ya

    Even after reading the comments and the story and a other stories just like this, I don't understand why I want a camera on my cellphone, and also since I pay for data access by the meg, I dunno if I wanna pay for one either. Now, the camera on the palm is a good idea, but id rather just have a digital camera with a microdrive.

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  67. When will we see camera + GPS ? by rwa2 · · Score: 2

    This seems like it would be much more entertaining... I've always wanted to attach position fixes to my photos. Think of the possibilities! Your photo albums could then have a map interface where you could click on all of your vacation spots to call up the pictures you took from there.

    Better yet, everyone could upload to a big photo database somewhere. Then if you wanted pictures of the grand canyon, you could go to the site and call of every picture people took on archive.

    It would probably be pretty easy to do this now if you simply kept a GPS log of your travels and correlated the positions with the timestamps on your camera pictures. Any projects to do anything like this yet? :)

  68. Re:cheaper (slave labour) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slave labour makes everything cheaper.

  69. XM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think it's possible to get an XM radio reveiver into a cell phone? That would be a nice combo.

  70. auto answer? by synshyne · · Score: 1

    so with auto answer on your phone it would pick up and whom ever is on the other end can see what your doing...say the phone was on the night stand when yer a bit busy with sex or in the bathroom with ya on the John...ewwww...no thanks...
    what if it has auto call back..unnghh...

    Hey heres a thought...are they going to make cameras that go through your retinas so the voices in your head have sight too? (refering to the last cell phone article about inserting a cell phone device in teeth)

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    -Alicia
  71. Re:Cell Phone? Camera by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2

    I have vague memories of the human body being able to act like a decent antenna (e.g, holding onto a broken-off antenna nub on a radio to improve the reception). Maybe this effect is only for certain frequency ranges? Perhaps the implanted stuff can use this effect to get decent reception w/o requiring long implanted wires or extensive subdermal shielding.

  72. Re:I just saw a Sprint 3G demo that does this bett by TheSync · · Score: 2

    If you want a mobile webcam that works on CDPD today, check this out.

  73. Behold the power of the lens cap by cryptochrome · · Score: 2

    It blocks light and protects the lens!

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    ---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?

    1. Re:Behold the power of the lens cap by lionchild · · Score: 1

      Indeed, it does! Drat! Foiled again!

      --
      Awk! Pieces of eight. Pieces of eight. Pieces of seven... ERROR: General Protection Fault. [Paroty Error.]
  74. Take pictures of your car crash after causing it. by Yhcrana · · Score: 1

    By talking on your cell phone while driving down the freeway and cutting me off. The next driver that does this I swear I'm gonna go buy a fucking beater car and clip the rear end of their $40,000 SUV and make them go careening into the semi on my other side that they are squishing me into in my little hatchback.

    Yes, you too can have a digital camera in your hand that can take pictures of the inside of your ear, while talking to your mistress on the way home from your business trip :)

    WHY DO YOU NEED A FUCKING DIGITAL CAMERA IN YOUR GOD DAMN CELL PHONE?!?!?! Why do you need to have anything other than a cell phone, I don't want to be available everywhere. And I especially don't want a cell phone that has a digital camera in it. What happens when the camera portion of it breaks? now you have a regular cell phone again, or the cell phone breaks, now you have a high priced dinky little piece of shit digital camera.

    Come on, there is a time when things get ridiculously lame and complicated. :sigh: I'm sure this rant will fall on deaf ears though

    Yhcrana

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    The voices in my head don't like you

  75. Great! by aztektum · · Score: 2

    Now people can talk on their phone while driving *AND* take a picture of me flipping them off for doing so!

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    No sig for you!!
  76. What the...? by KILNA · · Score: 2

    What kind of phone call would require a real-time view of your rear?

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    Error: PANTS NOT FOUND. Press <F1> to continue.
  77. Re:$15? Figures by smaug195 · · Score: 1

    15$ Is too much for you, I'll give you 12.50$ no less. What are you trying to bankrupt me or something? I have a wife and kids!

    Hey it's OK I am jewish! Don't kill me :)

  78. What about 'globals'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm waiting for the combo phone/PDA/camera like the globals on Earth Final Conflict. I keep wondering why no one has copied the design. The fold out screen is better than any PDA I've seen (from a protection standpoint), and this article shows how cameras can be integrated into cell phones. We've got to be pretty close to someone putting them together into a, slightly larger than normal, integrated package. Will it take an alien invasion for such a cool design to come about?

  79. Want see some samples? by greggman · · Score: 1

    Here are pictures from last year's J-Phone model. Here are pictures from my newest AU-Casio phone. ($80 with one year contract) And Here's are pictures of some other cell phone features

    Note: My AU-Casio phone now has 12.8 meg of memory and can take 640x480 pictures. I'd say by next year the phones will be equal to the low end digital camera market. Low-end meaning like a Sony DSC-P1 (not those toy Yahoo cameras).

  80. Not video-conferencing, video e-mail by greggman · · Score: 1

    The big thing in Japan through J-Phone is not video conferencing it's video e-mail. Take a short 5 or 10 second video of you blowing a kiss to your girlfriend and e-mail it from your phone to her's. I'm not sure how popular sending this video e-mail is but sending just still pictures is huge.