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Native Sorenson Playback Comes to Linux
Pivot writes: "With the release of Xine v0.9.11a, it is now possible to play back Quicktime movies encoded with the Sorenson SVQ1 encoding natively. There are still some minor issues with sound, and still no support for SVQ3 encoding, but overall this is a major achievement. Downloads are at xine.sf.net. I wonder what apple will do about this." Note: you may have to cut and paste that "movies" link into a new tab or browser.
You can use crossover plugin from http://www.codeweavers.com which comes with Apple's Quicktime player. Not native, but codeweaver's products kick arse.
put the what in the where?
Licensing? Patents?
Someone care to explain what the team did about
these little problems?
but articles like this really do point out the weakest points of it. If your strong into multimedia (graphic design, sound mixing, 3D modeling, etc). You're still better off in most cases to be using a Win/Mac machine with a much more mature and complete software solutions. This isn't a knock against linux or other *nix's just points out what the weakest links are.
freebsd guy
After being a long-time Mplayer advocate, I decided to give Xine a try today when I saw this news. Everything works well, and it even sees my dxr3 support, but what's up with this awful skin that looks like the front of a DVD deck? It's completely unusable. The site claims it's skinnable, so where are the other skins?. They're not listed for seperate download anywhere, any ideas?
Is your browser retarded?
Apple's QT streaming server is free and open source, and runs well on both Linux and FreeBSD.
You can download a precompiled version from here and the source code from here or by checking it out of their public CVS server.
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Funny, those I've seen seem to mainly use WMP format, which rarely gives me any sound under MacOS X. On the other hand, no sound is often a good thing on such sites!
DivX on the Mac is also problematic. With third party utilities, I also get video with no sound.
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If you read the thread you will see that the author looked at Apple's QT binaries for codebooks to decode some of the encodings. I'm sure there are EULAs that prohibit this. This patch is going to have a lot of legal problems. That's a shame because it is a big boost for QT and thus for Apple, but that's the way it is. I grabbed a copy of it so that when they get an injunction from Apple I'll still be able to post it somewhere in the Free World (ie, not in the US).
Please contact me at your earliest convenience at jeffrey AT firehead DOT org. I run the site listed in my .sig and am used to dealing with all sorts of legal BS. I would very much like to see this code out there, and could definitely help with a proper release of it.
Yes.
QuickTime Streaming Server
RTP/RTSP Tutorial
deus does not exist but if he does
saying divx is better than quicktime is like saying msie is better than the gimp
they dont compare
qt is a container
you could say qt sucks avi is better
or sorensen sucks divx is better
but not qt sucks divx is better.
Uhmm, I don't know about your experience but I've never, ever found pr0n in Quicktime format. It's always Real (crappy), mpeg or some bastard AVI format. In the olden tymes it was ViVo or Real..but never Quicktime.
The only good this does is let linux users watch quicktime trailers (after they download no doubt).
What about MPEG-4 on Linux? I haven't really looked for it, but I was just wondering how well, if at all, it is supported, since the new QuickTime 6 preview supports it.
:)
MPEG-4 is really sweet stuff. Just as a test today, a friend and I encoded an entire full-length movie that was captured via FireWire DV and encoded it into a 653MB MP4 file using QuickTime 6 on OS X. I was amazed at the quality. It blew away MPEG-1/VCD, DivX, and even Sorenson in video quality, and the audio quality was quite good too, all while fitting on a single 700 MB CD-R.
I would love to see DVD players support MP4 playback from burned CD-R's. The quality is actually good enough that you can sit back and watch a movie distributed on a single CD and just enjoy it without being annoyed by poor quality video and audio.
MP4 will really revolutionize video... if the licensing issues don't kill it before it gets off the ground, but that is another story
Oh man. Yet another "X sucks" troll. I have no idea why I waste my time with these, but here goes... (and in HTML, no less :-)
I could really stand folks spending 15 minutes doing research before writing these critiques. OTOH, I guess I was successfully trolled, so what do I know?
Well it seems a lot of people has some missunderstanding regarding Sorensen and Apple. So let's get it right: Apple don't own Sorensen what Apple owns is the exclusive right to distribute Sorensen for use in video playback (wich is why they complained when it was going to be used in Flash also. They have to enforce contracts like these or they will be invalid).
This isn't redistribution however. As far as I understand it's a standard QT for Windows that's running under Linux (that's what Wine does. Makes windows apps run under Linux - right?). So it don't change anything. On the other hand someone posted that they have reverse engineered some of the binaries from QT. Depending on if it's Apples binaries or Sorensens one of the two might not like that (Sorensen most of all perhaps. Since they have an interrest in protecting their technology).
Man, that must have been uncomfortable!
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Hehe, best argument I heard yet. It is well known that all computer progress comes from porn: why else would people need more bandwith, better monitors and larger harddrives? To store Word documents? I thought so ;-)
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Yeah, so what? Apache's open source, but you still need a browser (decoder) and authoring tools (encoder). All the server does is send the data to users over the net. If you can't have a browsers, you can't even see the content, and without at least a text editor and image manipulation program you can't create any content.
In fact, when you encode video for streaming, you need to include a thing Apple calls "hinting". Normal MPEG4 and other streams do not have this. The hinting is an additional track that specifies to the server where the packet boundries out to be so that lost packets won't corrupt lots of upcoming video. The point is that most of the streaming magic happens at the encoder where the "hinting" makes most of the decisions about how to stream the video... the server does parse the data and read the hinting, but all the "real work" is precomputed by the proprietary encoder.
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As nearly as I can tell, you need to also lay out a similar wad of cash for an encoder to produce "hinted" quicktime video that's usable with Apple's free streaming server.
If someone knows of a free or cheap way to encoder or convert video to include "hinting" for use with Apple's open-source streaming server, please speak up!
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Is it really politically correct to write native software for Linux anymore? Isn't the main focus of Linux now an emulation platform for Win32?
That would be huge good news for consumers everywhere (assuming MPEG-LA gives up on the per-minute fee).
mplayer compiles and runs on OpenBSD/macppc, just fine and dandy. [/usr/ports/x11/mplayer] Download pre5, and try again.
> Well, now that someone has provided the Sorenson
> codec through emulation, people will realize
> that it doesn't make much of a fucking
> difference either way, does it? I guess that
> means some people will have to find something
> better to whine about...
The thing is: playing Quicktime movie alone doesn't make much a difference, but improving Linux's credibility on the desktop is a set of these "little" step:
- playing "Quicktime" movies: partially done
- interoperating with Microsoft Office: OpenOffice (even if the compatibility needs improvements)
...
I think that improving X or getting rid of X would be a major point to improve Linux's presence on the desktop, and also lots of polishing..
Windows Media Player on both MacOS X and PocketPC lacks the ACELP.net speech codec. Microsoft licenses it from a third party, who hasn't ported it to those.
To make a WMV file that works on those platforms, it needs to be encoded with the Windows Media Audio codec, which is available in all versions of the player.
My video compression blog
The whole purpose of MPEG-4 is that it takes the player out of the game. All that matters is that you can decode/encode MPEG-4. In a year or two, Sorenson should be irrelevant, and XINE will just need MPEG-4 support.
That being said, doesn't MPEG-4 have some pretty herendous licensing restrictions of its own?
Slashdotter's, none the less, should be campaigning for sites to support MPEG-4 . If they want Linux, and *BSD to become fully supported across streaming sites.
"I think that improving X or getting rid of X would be a major point to improve Linux's presence on the desktop, and also lots of polishing"
.304-1 coming in June of 2005. Yay.
What would it be replaced by, Y? or Z? Maybe Y while it's alpha then Z when it's beta (I'd say probably 75% of open source stuff is permanently beta). Just think of it: ZFree86
In relation to the topic being discussed, I personally would recommend waiting until Apple and Sorenson Media resolve the legal formalities and questions surrounding Sorenson Video and the exclusivity license agreement in question. If all goes as planned we should know the outcome within the next 60-90 days. That said, we don't view broad adoption and support of our video codecs as a bad thing providing we can do so in a legal manner. We have been interested in supporting Linux for some time now but due to the nature of our contract with Apple, we haven't been able to pursue this effort before now. The exclusivity agreement with Apple expired last April '02 so our options for supporting this effort are a little more open now (pending resolution of certain legal formalities). Companies or individuals interested in licensing any of our codecs (Sorenson Video 3.1 Pro, Sorenson MPEG-4 Pro, Sorenson Spark Pro) for integration into their products should contact either myself or Matt Copal matt@sorenson.com (Business Development Sorenson Media). Moving forward you will see announcements made by us later this year that will not only greatly benefit QuickTime 6, but also the Linux community as a well. Stay tuned! Ammen Harper Sorenson Media Director Product Management aharper@sorenson.com
I've yet to try it, but I'm planning to install and test in a couple weeks when I borrow a friend's camera. It sounds like the project is a little rough around the edges and problems are still being worked out, but from the message board it looks like some non-developers have used it successfully.
According to the site, MPEG4IP can capture and broadcast live MPEG4/AAC streams, that can be viewed with its own (very basic) player and also with Apple's (beta) QuickTime 6. Apparantly RealOne can also view the streams using a plugin from Envivio.
If anyone with mod points is reading this, my original message (at +3) is wrong... this MPEG4IP program does (or will soon do) exactly what I was asking about. Please mod that message down and this one up, so anyone else looking for a completely free way to stream live video might find this.
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