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Warchalking Visual Cues To Urban WLANs

elucidus writes "Matt Jones has put out a PDF and EPS outlining symbols to use in Warchalking the WLAN nodes of your community. Here's a pic. Ben Hammersly dubs them Hobo Runes." Brings to mind pictures of scruffy individuals around a fire with picturebooks, taking a pull from some ripple while reading slashdot.

193 comments

  1. In a few thousand years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People will find these markings, and conclude that some energy force drew people to these locations, and thus they were sites of great power!

    1. Re:In a few thousand years... by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
      People will find these markings, and conclude that some energy force drew people to these locations, and thus they were sites of great power!

      'Were' being the word, here. I.e. they were open, they were visited, some exciting thing happened and their obit was printed on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. Probably not so dramatic, but imagine someone doing a drive-by of Arthur Andersen or Enron and pilfering a few online documents...

      You're concept also gives me pause to think about all the nuts who hang around old ruins in the world, e.g. Stonehenge, and feel there's some great power eminating from them... most likely they're markers of where (political) power was concentrated and is all used up by now. Ah, well, if they weren't oohing and ahhing and buying into some cult they'd probably be sending spam, too.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    2. Re:In a few thousand years... by sxe_p06 · · Score: 0

      I find this hard to believe, seeing as if I were to walk outside my office right now, and make a mark like that, when I come back in the morning, the janitors would have cleaned it. This is going on hte assumption that it wouldn't be done before I leave today. And what of rain? Will these "magic markings" stay through rain? Some more permenant solution is needed. One that can be kept readable for slightly longer, but still isn't destructive/ugly. This, in my opinion, is why the web is much better suited for this type of thing. A site with a giant database of places you can get your WiFi fix.

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      -- p06 "On religious wars: They're essentially wars over whoo's imaginary friend is better"
    3. Re:In a few thousand years... by Jim+Florentine · · Score: 0

      Thou caluminous crook-pated skainsmate!

  2. I'll stick to stumbler by Sabalon · · Score: 2

    Seems easier than trying to make out SSID's that are half washed away.

    Choose the "reconfigure" option and go!

    1. Re:I'll stick to stumbler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Lack of durability is a feature: The more washed out a mark is, the older and therefore less reliable is the conveyed information.

    2. Re:I'll stick to stumbler by zaffir · · Score: 1

      If you were using something other than chalk to mark the spot, that's a good reference. Unfortunately, chalk doesn't last much longer than one or two light showers, so unless you're in a VERY dry place the warchalk marks will be gone pretty quickly. They don't stand a chance in Seattle.

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      "Upon attaching the waterblock to my penis, I began to notice that I know nothing about computers." -- JRockway
    3. Re:I'll stick to stumbler by littleRedFriend · · Score: 1

      Yes stick to that. This chalk thingy just gives me the feeling that somehow, we went 30.000 years back in technical evolution.

      Or maybe that's what cavemen wanted to say; if they painted an antilope on a wall it was to say their was a high-speed wireless internet connection.

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  3. Here's a simple idea to increase security by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 5, Funny
    The IT professionals among us are rightly concerned about software security implementations, especially from a well-known company in Washington State. The even more knowledgeable are concerned about the protocols themselves. This concern is 10 times greater when the network data is whizzing through the air for anyone to intercept. Luckily I've had an idea that may prove fruitful as a first line of defense against tactics such as war hacking and driving.

    Despite the catchy slogan, sometimes obscurity can provide a small measure of security. The first step in securing wireless networks should be making the transmissions uninterceptable by hackers. Therefore I would like to invoke the concept of "guided wavefronts". What you do is you provide a contained medium that is impervious to casual break-ins within which the signal can propagate.

    The scheme could prove bulky, so I propose that the contained medium should be made of some material that will conduct an electric charge quite well, such as metal. If this is done I suspect the guided wavefront containers could be made as small as 1/8"-1/4" in diameter. Also, there will be a certain amount of secondary leakage because of electromagnetic radiation produced by the contained signal, but making the container out of some kind of shielding matter would solve this issue.

    I haven't seen anything like this concept on the market but it seems like a good idea. How come nobody is working on it?

    1. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, on a serious note, has anyone noticed that allowing XP to manage WEP does not seem to support 152bit keys?

    2. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that this technology you're talking about has already been implemented. You can go to to the computer store and buy these things if you want, but don't count on the CompUSA employee to know what they are talking about.

    3. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by qslack · · Score: 2

      Here's an idea. Most information leakage comes from employees. Solution? Place plastic bags over their heads, secure on the necks, and let them continue working. Problem solved.

    4. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by warpSpeed · · Score: 2


      Hmmm, ThickNet, no, no, no, too bulky.

      of course, 10 base 2, or BNC. That would work right?

    5. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't give Carly and Curly any more ideas...

    6. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he's talking about is a waveguide. The simplest way for him to trap the signals would be to get a resonant waveguide for the band of interest, stick one end up in the air to capture the signals, and let them flow down. At the other end, he can attach his mouth (or other orifice), and thereby collect and capture the signals.

      Otherwise known, to ham operators and various RF engineering types, as a dummy load...

    7. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by tooler · · Score: 1

      Hahah, great post. You had me going about halfway through, then I started laughing out loud.

    8. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by ddstreet · · Score: 2

      Wow, man you got double the karma on that, since you used the exact same post about 3 months ago.

    9. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by pz · · Score: 2

      They're called "wires". In bundles, as you describe, they're called "cables". Fascinating things, actually.

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      Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
    10. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      I was worried about leakage of my wireless network, however I have since refurbished my house with a lead lining. I am now confident that my wireless network will stay within my house.

    11. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, you Harvard guys sure is smart!

    12. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by pz · · Score: 2

      The crackerjack engineering part of my education was from MIT. Ah is proud, ah say, proud to be an enguneer.

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      Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
    13. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 2

      That's a bit excessive... All you need is a fine wire mesh (not sure if you gotta ground it. How do you think microwave ovens avoid melting your face with just that thin metal screen and plexiglass? IIRC it works because the holes are too small for the microwaves to get through.

    14. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by torndorff · · Score: 1

      Just a quick note, the electrons flow on the wire (they go on the easiest/quickest path). Ya, thats simplified but its the same concept on, yes, your microwave, computer, etc etc etc. Look around and be amazed. ;)

    15. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, too late, I think Pringles already has cornered the market on "wave-guide containers". Hell, they're already shipping, I seen 'em on the store shelf the other day, and as a bonus prize, you get potato chips to snack on while yer doing the installation.

    16. Re:Here's a simple idea to increase security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the word "tempest" ring a bell?

  4. SlashDot goes WiFi by redwoodtree · · Score: 0, Troll

    Seems like the abundance of stories on slasdot these days focus on WiFi. Maybe we need WiFiSlash.org or something. But this is just getting old.

  5. Linked picture by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is that supposed to mean?

    "Breast viewing permitted from 1-5 pm only"
    "Caution, cleavage overhead"

    1. Re:Linked picture by Stoutlimb · · Score: 2

      I hate to be the one to bring this up, but that picture looks more like ass cheeks than a pair of breasts... Is this a "bum" pun in theme with the posting of this story? I'm not sure I would like to be seen drawing icons of asses around my neighborhood.

      Bork!

    2. Re:Linked picture by Em+Ellel · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is why you should READ the article before looking at pictures and posting comments.

      It is clearly described as 1-5 AM

      -Em

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      RelevantElephants: A Somatic WebComic...
    3. Re:Linked picture by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      What is that supposed to mean?

      ..Well.. The ssid is like an ID name for a network, sorta like a domain or something, the bandwidth is exactly what it implies it is, and the little half circles mean open network (closed circle means closed network.. encrypted perhaps?)
      And of course the 802 jazz is all wireless networking. I gather that the gig is , one sees the sign and knows a public or misconfigured(therefore public) lan is available to hook to.

      I think.

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      Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
  6. And look what they are doing to streetsigns by Sabalon · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I don't know to laugh or be afraid of this one:
    http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/ - how street signs tell the military what resources are where.

    1. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by Anonymous+Cowtard · · Score: 1

      More like "how street signs make parinoid whackos think they are telling them about where the military can find resources"

    2. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Laugh. Those are install date tags. Their placement means nothing. And why should they? The military already knows the whereabouts of anything they might need or be concerned about. Some people just need a life that is more exciting and dangerous than the real thing, but in a non-threatening way.

      --
      Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
    3. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by Sabalon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sure the military is flying their Apache's along 10 feet off the ground looking at the back of street signs trying to find someplace to land.

      With a 30mm cannon, and a combo of hellfires and 70mm rockets, I think the answer is "wherever it damn pleases".

    4. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by johnalex · · Score: 1

      Did anyone else refresh the page just to watch the counter record the /. effect?

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      JA
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    5. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by nathanm · · Score: 2
      I don't know to laugh or be afraid of this one:
      If you're of the paranoid, conspiracy theorist persuasion, be afraid, otherwise laugh hysterically.
    6. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, put your tinfoil hat back on!

    7. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      Hey, that is fun! (i.e, 3:57PM, 1 hour 3 minutes untill quitting time...) It's going up about 5 every time I hit refresh.

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    8. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the Men in Black can put street signs to such a cunning and diabolical use imagine what they could do with a map!!

    9. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, Apaches have a 20mm vulcan cannon, its the A-10s that have the big 30.

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      If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
    10. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by ScuzzMonkey · · Score: 1

      Yes and no... A-10s do mount a 30mm cannon (the Gatling style GAU-8 "Avenger") but so do Apache's... it's a 30mm chain gun, though, the M230.

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      No relation to Happy Monkey
    11. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is she the one with scabs on her ass?

    12. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      not according to Janes http://www.janes.com/defence/air_forces/news/jawa/ jawa001013_1_n.shtml

      Either way, I'm not gonna argue with one :)

    13. Re:And look what they are doing to streetsigns by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Woops. Janes could say they pack BFG9000s and I'd believe 'em. I stand corrected then

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      If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
  7. bah by nomadic · · Score: 1

    I was trying to think up something suitably acerbic to say, but I can't. That's a damn slick idea, and I salute him.

  8. Checking out the competition.. by lionchild · · Score: 1

    So, won't it be interesting to look out your window and find one of these runes on the side of the building across the street...say, a rival company? There they are, broadcasting their secrets to the world. How convenient, you can just login from the window near your desk.

    Hmmm...that reminds me...I should go check our Wireless configuration.

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    Awk! Pieces of eight. Pieces of eight. Pieces of seven... ERROR: General Protection Fault. [Paroty Error.]
    1. Re:Checking out the competition.. by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      Even worse - the joke is on you. You look again and see that they have your wireless access point listed there as having a T3 connection for anyone :)

    2. Re:Checking out the competition.. by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      So, won't it be interesting to look out your window and find one of these runes on the side of the building across the street...say, a rival company? There they are, broadcasting their secrets to the world. How convenient, you can just login from the window near your desk.

      Does rather bring back memories of Reg the Blank, of Max Headroom, eh? Corporate giants all over the place and some guy running a tiny network off out of a trailer off in the ruins somewhere. :-)

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    3. Re:Checking out the competition.. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      I was working for a major tech company when it became "the big idea" amoung business units to purchase and deploy their own wireless access points. Needless to say, simply walk by or in to our company parking lots / campus and you had unrestricted access to the internal network. As we went through the process of getting a handle on this situation, we used to joke about how our competitors were just down the street... and say... has anybody noticed any new antenas on their building?

    4. Re:Checking out the competition.. by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 2

      Wireless only goes about a quarter of the speed of a t3 assumming an EXCELLENT signal.

  9. How Times Change by johnalex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    During the Depression, hoboes used signs to signal where they could get a meal. Nowadays, geeks use signs to signal where we can get a decent 'Net connection. We're hungry, but we're informed.

    Who cares about eating as long as I get my /. fix.

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    JA
    http://www.johnalex.org/
    1. Re:How Times Change by SpelledBackwards · · Score: 1

      Ahh that must have been where they got the Vampire glyphs in Blade from... thanks for the info.

    2. Re:How Times Change by beamdriver · · Score: 1
      That was the first thing I thought of too.

      Now we'll all be Cyberhoboes or maybe we'll just Go Okie

    3. Re:How Times Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That just shows how deep in denial we are.

    4. Re:How Times Change by jred · · Score: 2

      That's funny. My gf suggested to me today that we should build a house out in the boonies & live there. My first question was "How are we supposed to get decent net access in bumfuk?"

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      jred
      I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...
    5. Re:How Times Change by mumkin · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I too have aspirations of buying a rundown farm of serious acreage (well, serious by city-slicker standards -- shut up you montana penguin-ranchers :) and having room to build follies and run the occasional sheep. It's the high-speed access question that slaps the sense into me every time.

  10. Re:In the Clutches of Project Faustus! by FortKnox · · Score: 1

    Bank! Pray tell. Did you know these poor cash machines?!?

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    Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
  11. Interesting Idea by someone247356 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I was in charge of my company's networking I'ld be keeping an eye out for interesting chalk marks around my building....

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  12. Gasp! by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    Brings to mind pictures of scruffy individuals around a fire with picturebooks, taking a pull from some ripple while reading slashdot.

    I was so shocked by this insinuation that I nearly dropped a handfull of beans!

    Next Battleground: Freedom of Speech! Do I have the right to shout on a crowded street, 'Kynance, open node, 1-5' ?

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  13. Oh great... by InnereNacht · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before you know it some poor geek is going to get beat down in urban Chicago by a gang because they think he's marking their "turf".

    1. Re:Oh great... by An+IPv6+obsessed+guy · · Score: 1

      Why not? It's suspected they've already killed deaf people when mistaking sign language for gang signs.

    2. Re:Oh great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a scenic view of Robert Taylor Homes. Theres no wireless signals coming out of there (trust me) --- =) --- If/When I see a geek warchalking in the middle of RTH Id beat the hell out of him too. (darwinism?)

  14. Stencil graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck chalk...make a stencil and buy some spray paint at your local hardware store. That way it won't get washed away by the rain/homeowner.

    1. Re:Stencil graffiti by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      And the judge said "So let me get this straight, you were arrested for geek graffitti?"

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      (Score: -1, Stupid)
    2. Re:Stencil graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they all moved away.

      Then I said, "And causing a public disturbance". And they all moved back to the Group W bench.

    3. Re:Stencil graffiti by dattaway · · Score: 2

      Epoxy type paint works best. Very durable, resists solvents, and the pressure washer.

    4. Re:Stencil graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      O.G. Original Geekster

    5. Re:Stencil graffiti by ahaning · · Score: 1

      I think we all know that this would be a very bad thing to do.

      Also, don't think that if you get "spray chalk" that it will actually wash away. I know that OSU students are probably familiar (Woohoo! ALTERNATIVE thingy on May 18th!) with this. Some of our Undergrad Student Government candidates spray chalked the sidewalks asking people to vote for them. The elections are long over and still, the plea remains. I think they won, so they don't look like *complete* idiots.

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      Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
    6. Re:Stencil graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?" And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench.

      - Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

      but I'm not off topic, oh no! I have something to say about this actual topic. I'll get right to it. Here it is:

      Is there a way to detect when someone has found your network by way of netstumbler? I could set up decoy wireless networks with proxy servers that would monitor unauthorized users and occasionally randomly redirect them to interesting websites Muahahahah....

    7. Re:Stencil graffiti by foetus · · Score: 1

      Hell, automate the process:
      http://www.core77.com/reactor/tagmaster.html

      Okay, not actually. Neat toy, but I'm all for impermanence in this case. Someone already pointed out the transient nature of nodes, and you don't want the tag outlasting its validity.

  15. Lain's world of the wired by lingqi · · Score: 1

    Reading this gives a nostalgic feeling of Lain...

    kinda like when the wired and the "real world" is being blended together.

    which, really, it's true. in a can-be-very-helpful-but-still-somewhat-creepy kind of way.

    --

    My life in the land of the rising sun.

    1. Re:Lain's world of the wired by reverius · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's the wireless world and the "real world"...

  16. What's next? by hprotagonist0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wardriving,
    Warwalking
    Warchalking...


    Warhopscotch
    Warsitting
    Wardrinking (If there's a glass with a coaster on top of it on the bar, there's an open WLAN)
    WarSegwaying
    Wargeocaching

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    "A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire
    1. Re:What's next? by cybermace5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey. That's not a bad idea!

      Chalking is obvious, can be removed or altered. How about setting up a WLAN geocache site...users can update nodes via geographic coordinates. A cheap GPS and a printout of area WLAN's would get you pretty far.

      Still...the chalking has a certain appeal.

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      ...
    2. Re:What's next? by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 2, Funny

      So would a malicious slashdotting by a nation state be called wardotting?

      damn i'm funny.

    3. Re:What's next? by InnereNacht · · Score: 2

      Warwhacking
      Warpr0ning
      Warpooping?

      The possibilities are endless!

    4. Re:What's next? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      I think "WarSegwaying" is actually a form of jousting.

    5. Re:What's next? by TitaniumFox · · Score: 1

      Warfapping.

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      -- I'd say your post was about 3 monkeys, 18 minutes.
    6. Re:What's next? by srslif16 · · Score: 1

      War-waiting: I will put up a node, and I will put up the marks. Then I will wait for the fools to arrive and hook up, and then I will crack their machines! The world will be mine! One net to rule them all, etc.

    7. Re:What's next? by TheSync · · Score: 2

      802.11b drinking game!

      Drive past closed node- 1 drink
      Drive past WEP node - 2 drinks
      Drive past open node - 3 drinks
      Drive off road in drunken stupor - oops!

    8. Re:What's next? by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      You forgot wardialing...

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      If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
    9. Re:What's next? by shogun · · Score: 2

      What like the Net Srumbler one?

    10. Re:What's next? by mumkin · · Score: 1

      Unless you want to get fucked up as quickly as possible, I think the more accurate order would be:

      Drive past open node - 1 drink
      Drive past closed node - 2 drinks
      Drive past WEP node - 3 drinks

      There are a lot of open nodes out there, and I don't see much WEP.

  17. Dude, spell my damn name right! :-) by BenHmm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As Matt's server screams in the dark London night, you could spell my name right...HammerslEy

    Anyhow, the pic on Matt's site shows the rune to my wireless node. It's in Kensington, just round the corner from Imperial College. A T1. Help yourself.

    1. Re:Dude, spell my damn name right! :-) by for(;;); · · Score: 2

      > No more wandering around bandwidthless, and no
      > more struggling with online maps.

      Where are these? My preliminary Google search was fruitless.

      --

      "Whatever happened to fair use?"
      -- Duff-Man
    2. Re:Dude, spell my damn name right! :-) by Skiboo · · Score: 2, Funny

      As Matt's server screams in the dark London night, you could spell my name right...HammerslEy

      Well, you can't blame them for misspelling it, how many names have a capital E in the middle of them? ;)

    3. Re:Dude, spell my damn name right! :-) by zoward · · Score: 2

      I can't imagine I'll find myself skulking about the streets of West London, laptop under one arm, looking for excess bandwidth any time soon, but in case I do, thank you for making some of that bandwidth available to the public.

      --
      "Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?"
  18. Re:A little something about Migor by Migor · · Score: 0

    Migor hates it even more when mods are idiots. How the hell is the above comment off topic? It's very very on topic. It's about war driving, warchalking, and spaceships, which is exactly what the article is about.

    Migor will have his revenge on you moderator idiot. You will be DEPOSED. Your body will be put into the trunk of his mighty spaceship and you will be kept there for 1 trillion nano-parcycles (about 40 minutes), which will drive you to such a heafty level of insanity that soon afterwards you will buy a pickup truck.

    Migor did it to Commander Taco back in 1993, and he's never gone back to bran.

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    Migor will eat your soul
  19. Dude, you win! by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    You've been marked down as redundant. Either some idiot moderator marked you down because s/he is frightened by not knowing what you are talking about, or s/he DOES know, but hasn't got enough of a life to see the humor.

    Either way, YOU WIN! I, who am about to be modded down as Off Topic, salute you!

  20. Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Brings to mind pictures of scruffy individuals around a fire with picturebooks, taking a pull from some ripple while reading slashdot."

    That is by far the ugliest mental picture that anyone has painted for me in a long, long time.

    Another day, another step down to a lower rung, for slashdot. I didn't think it was possible but you always manage to come through, don't you.

  21. Warchalking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Why make a new word when "vandalism" already describes this activity?

    1. Re:Warchalking? by TweeKinDaBahx · · Score: 1

      or even better, "open vandalism"

    2. Re:Warchalking? by disappear · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Why make a new word when "vandalism" already describes this activity?

      If it washes off when it rains, is it still vandalism?

      Last I checked, vandalism was damaging or destroying property. Spraypaint or marker might be considered vandalism because it's permanant, but chalk?

    3. Re:Warchalking? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      nopr, you get caught chalking up somebodies building, its still vandalism.

      If I wrote in big chalk letters on the side of your house "RAPIST INSIDE", I bet you would consider it vandalism.

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    4. Re:Warchalking? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      If I wrote in big chalk letters on the side of your house "RAPIST INSIDE", I bet you would consider it vandalism.

      Not vandalism. assuming no damage to the house. But certainly trespass, regardless of the message, and libel, regardless of whether you write that on my house, or you write "RAPIST AT " on your own.

      --
      Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
      You cannot wash away blood with blood
    5. Re:Warchalking? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Why make new words like "computer" when the word "thing" already describes something? Because it is more specific and informative.

      "Vandalism" doesn't even begin to describe the true nature of this, just as "atoms" doesn't describe your wife/girlfriend/stalkee/pornmodel.

      --
      As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
    6. Re:Warchalking? by hplasm · · Score: 1

      Damn ! That should read THERAPIST INSIDE you
      dork!!

      --
      ...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
  22. Slash dotted by Target+Drone · · Score: 4, Funny

    Somebody should go down to O'Reilly and draw the warchalk symbol for a slash dotted node on their building.

    1. Re:Slash dotted by littleRedFriend · · Score: 1

      And yes, while you're at it, could you point a webcam at it? This way, we all know when it's accesible again.

      --
      IANAL, but imagine a beowulf cluster of in Soviet Russia all your belong are base to us welcoming the new SCO overlords.
    2. Re:Slash dotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and the N means NoCat [nocat.net]

  23. Re:A little something about Migor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Migor needs to stop referring to himself in the third person. Migor is a stupid slashdot troll junky.

  24. There has to be a simpler way to do this by The+Other+White+Meat · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Why not just use the WiFi Logo? All these open, closed circles, ssids etc, is too confusing.

    (WiFi Logo Here)
    www.domain.com/wifi


    If you saw this on the side of a building, you should have enough to go on. If that site wants you to use their system, then the URL would point to a page telling you everything you need to know to share their system.

    --

    --- Generation X: The first generation to have SIG lines inferior to their parents... ---
    1. Re:There has to be a simpler way to do this by GlassUser · · Score: 2

      But without the information it contains, how do you get to the URI? :)

    2. Re:There has to be a simpler way to do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont have to...
      If you enter my wifi domain you simply get served a dhcp setup and everything you try to do via port 80 goes to the webpage on how to get access.

      any wifi setup that is done otherwise is crap.

  25. Theft of services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amazing. 48 comments as of this post and no one has yet commented on the obvious: that these signs are nothing more than telling people where they can steal free bandwidth.

    Isn't anybody worried about a "tragedy of the commons" effect here? One or two people chancing upon an open WiFi link is one thing, but a systematic method of exploiting bandwith amounts to a denial of service attack upon the poor network that's targeted.

    This is F***ing ridiculous. Go buy your OWN damn access and stop taking others' just because you can.

    1. Re:Theft of services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You should lock up your system "just because you can," otherwise, I'll snag a few packets of your bandwidth to check my e-mail via ssh and pine, "just because I can."

      (notice the use of low-bandwidth methods, though.)

    2. Re:Theft of services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      For the picture of the sign in the article:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=34839&cid=37 64 501
      http://www.benhammersley.com/wireless/

      As for:

      > Isn't anybody worried about a "tragedy of the commons" effect here? One or two people chancing upon an open WiFi link is one thing, but a systematic method of exploiting bandwith amounts to a denial of service attack upon the poor network that's targeted.

      I have the same trouble finding sympathy for these folks as for folks running poorly-secured systems connected to the Internet who get 0wned. It's not like the security issues with a wireless network have been carefully hidden away - they're well known by now. If people continue to be careless, just as if they always leave their house or car unlocked, then there are people who will take advantage.

      No, they shouldn't. Yes, they will. So lock your WLAN, and take your keys.

  26. How Long Until... by Transient0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...some PHB who can't stop these marks from appearing gets scared of having their files stolen by little geeks with butterfly nets outside the building, but who's too cheap to hire the talent or buy the hardware to secure their wireless network, starts telling his cronies to go out on their lunch break and draw these symbols up everywhere, thus negating their effectiveness.

    Sort of a chaff-defence, but i'm pretty sure it would work...

    1. Re:How Long Until... by Ruzty · · Score: 1

      Then we simply go back to the tried and true method of recording directional signal strength and pinpointing their still open node. Having an excess of chalkmarks does not put you in any worse situation than having no chalk marks.

      -Rusty

      --
      The Master (Angelo Rossitto) in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, "Not shit, energy!"
  27. This is hilarious... by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 2
    I used to live right by there. I lived in London for two years 9'92-'94) and I lived at #17 Queens Gate Gardens, SW7. I checked streetmap.co.uk to make sure I was remembering it right, and yeah. I used to walk by there; I don't remember P'tite Delice, but it may be new.

    Nice neighbourhood, and embassies every six feet. The Kuwaiti and the Iraqi embassies were just down the street from each other on Queen's Gate and about a block away from each other. A friend of mine used to go to Imperial College during the Gulf War and said it was a pretty interesting street...

    1. Re:This is hilarious... by Ashok · · Score: 1

      Petite Delice has been there for a few years, but I wasn't around here in '94. They do make damn fine coffee though.

      --
      ash
      ... You can call it a wizard once it can do bloody magic
    2. Re:This is hilarious... by radish · · Score: 2


      I walked past there every day on the way to IC from 95-98 and it was there then. Rory Bremner could often be seen buying his breakfast there (he lives just around the corner).

      Good to see the old neighbourhood keeping up with technology :-) I may just have to take a trip down there with some kit tonight! I have a feeling there'll be a whole bunch of geeks standing around trying to look inconspicious with armfuls of iPaqs, laptops, printouts from slashdot... ;-)

      --

      ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

  28. SSID by b1t+r0t · · Score: 3, Funny

    Won't the lusers unintentionally running wide-open nodes get suspicious when they see a chalk mark outside that says "LINKSYS )("?

    --

    --
    "Open source is good." - Steve Jobs
    "Open source is evil." - Microsoft
    1. Re:SSID by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      They'll probably blame the City.

    2. Re:SSID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Won't the lusers unintentionally running wide-open nodes get suspicious when they see a chalk mark outside that says "LINKSYS )("?

      If they're really lusers they won't know what the word means ;-).

      Warchalking security via (luser) obscurity.

    3. Re:SSID by Refrag · · Score: 2

      Only lusers need to know the SSID to connect to the network anyway. Those of us with Macs needn't worry about such trivial things.

      --
      I have a website. It's about Macs.
    4. Re:SSID by Megane · · Score: 1
      Those of us with Macs needn't worry about such trivial things.

      You're shittin' me! PC users actually have to know the SSID to hook up to a WLAN? No way! Not that I've ever used WiFi on anything but a Mac, but if Apple can make a pop-up menu to select from non-hidden SSIDs, why can't Microsoft?

      --
      #naabhaprzrag, #sverubfr-000, #agi-fcbafberq, negvpyr[pynff*=' negvpyr-ary-'] { qvfcynl: abar !vzcbegnag; }
    5. Re:SSID by Refrag · · Score: 2

      I've never used wi-fi on a PC, but when my brother brings his Windows laptop to my house he has to ask what the name of my access point is.

      --
      I have a website. It's about Macs.
  29. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for asking.

    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suck it long, and suck it hard!

  30. Re:You ill-mannared simpleton! by Jim+Florentine · · Score: 0

    Your bait of falsehood takes this carp of truth.

  31. More Permanant than Chalk? by RollyGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems that this is an interesting idea, but lacking in usability. There are two major problems as I see it.

    1.) The chalk will be easily washed away, and the location lost. (not to mention they warn the local network administrators)

    2.) You have to just walk around and randomly find one of these markings.

    A better solution would be somewhere online that warchalkers could upload locations (GPS maybe) and then you could easily find the access point nearest you.

    - RG
    ==================
    Don't pet the burning dog

    --
    Don't pet the burning dog
    1. Re:More Permanant than Chalk? by outlier · · Score: 3, Informative
      A better solution would be somewhere online that warchalkers could upload locations (GPS maybe) and then you could easily find the access point nearest you.

      They already have that. Now, imagine you're walking down the street and you need to find an open system. You can't check the web to find one because you need to find one to check the web. This is supposed to be a solution to the problem. (although netstumber/ministumbler would be fine too)...

  32. Heh, laugh by DG · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My job - before I retired - in the Canadian Army was armoured recce. We were the guys who went out in advance of the main troop body, looking for the bad guys so that the good guys with big guns could come kill them.

    One of our other jobs was to survey routes and determine their suitability for passing military traffic. We would prepare "route reports" that would indicate widths, overhead clearences, the strength of the road surface (tanks chew up roads pretty quickly) and how much weight bridges could carry (we were taught techniques for inspecting bridges and making guesses as to how much weight they would hold.)

    Certain types of "resources" would be noted on the reports, but they tended to be things like "gravel pit here" (for repairing roads torn up by tanks) or "harbour site here" (a good place to park vehicles off the route)

    If anybody were to know about "secret peacekeeper sign codes" it would be us - and I can state categorically that there is no such thing.

    There ARE some military signs around, but in North America they are temporary, not permenent. If you see a sign with a card suit on it, and an arrow (or sometimes a unit patch) that is a convoy route mark sign. It helps keep the poor non-recce types from getting lost while moving from one place to another, and they are removed once the convoy is complete.

    In Europe, you'll see a lot of "bridge classification" signs that will have a tank, and a number, and possibly a truck, and a number. The number is the number of tons the bridge will support, the tank represents "tracked vehicles" and the truck represents "wheeled vehicles"

    But these guys are absolute loons.

    Feel free to laugh.

    DG

    --
    Want to learn about race cars? Read my Book
    1. Re:Heh, laugh by pa-guy · · Score: 1

      As an ex-tanker and an ex-recce I must take issue with the 'keep the poor non-recce types' statement. I've seen than a few recce types get a little geographically embarassed whilst doing sector and area recce's.

    2. Re:Heh, laugh by lightcycler · · Score: 1

      Almost makes me want a wireless network just to get the cool rune...

      Anyone know what the 1.5 is? Signal strength? Channel number?

    3. Re:Heh, laugh by bons · · Score: 2

      That's exactly what a government stooge would say. A little Uncertainty, maybe a little Distrust of the original site. Short of Fear, but maybe that's just to make us trust you.

      How else can you explain your three digit user number if you're not an infiltrator?
      </style>

    4. Re:Heh, laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your experiences only prove that the candian army doesn't know about such things.

    5. Re:Heh, laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For some reason, I doubt the world would inform the Canadian army of military helicopter landing sites, considering our choppers aren't even fit enough to land on the big circled H on top of hospital buildings. :-)

    6. Re:Heh, laugh by dadragon · · Score: 1

      Just the Sea Kings. Those should be melted and the resulting molten-steel should be poured on the likes of Jean Cretien. That way we'd have a permanent reminder of the stupidity of that man.

      --
      God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
    7. Re:Heh, laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1.5 is a code for RTFA. ;)

      It's the bandwidth.

      Since you obviously didn't view the pdf, the )( means and open node, () would mean a closed node and (W) is a WEP node.

      HTH

  33. What the fuck? by cca93014 · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, I live in London. That picture is in London. But what the fuck are you talking about?

    Is this some annoying "west coast" bollocks again or what?

  34. Re:A little something about Migor by Migor · · Score: 0

    I am NOT Migor.

    Only Migor is Migor. And his wife is Gigor. I am not Gigor either.

    I am me.

    Migor has been angered by you insulting ME, the mouthpeice of Migor.

    You will be punished

    --
    Migor will eat your soul
  35. The IBM fiasco by peterdaly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember when IBM was hauled into court for marking up city sidewalks with the love/peace/linux thing?

    Now we'll see love/peace/linux/<802.11b info>.

    Free lov^M^M^MBandwidth for all!

    -Pete

    1. Re:The IBM fiasco by iainf · · Score: 1

      It wasn't chalk IBM used - it was stenciled paint. Chalk washes off, paint doesn't.

    2. Re:The IBM fiasco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's ^H, chuckwagon.

  36. Don't look/laugh now, but... by Interrobang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My boyfriend, Mr. Weird Ideas himself, has actually proposed doing this in the SCA where jousting on horseback for real against live opponents is very much against the rules (shucky-darn; pells are just not as much fun)...

    Never mind that Segways are totally out of period for the SCA, and more hype than use anyway...

    --shakes head-- Sighhh...

    1. Re:Don't look/laugh now, but... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      Hmmm. How to explain away that one. You can refer to computers and PDAs as "golems". But what would a Segway be? An etheral warhorse-driven chariot?

  37. What it means... by alienmole · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...is that you're more likely to be a victim of warchalking, than a beneficiary.

  38. Re:A little something about Migor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was using the royal "teh".
    Sheesh, don't they teach you trollpoles anything these days?

  39. wow. by evilpaul13 · · Score: 2, Funny

    taking a pull from some ripple while reading slashdot

    boy does that bring back memories!

  40. Freshness dating by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Guess you learn something new every day...

    I thought those marks were "this road sign best if used by" dates.

    -- Terry

  41. IBM Used Paint by tlambert · · Score: 2, Informative

    THe people that IBM hired to do their "Guerilla Marketing" were *supposed* tu use a chalk powder; instead, they used paint.

    The cities that got upset did so because of the use of *paint*.

    They might be able to nail you for getting the building instead of the sidewalk, without banning Toys-R-Us from selling "sidewalk chalk", but woe to the little kid who draws on the side of his tenament, if that happens.

    Basically, chalk is "mostly harmless".

    "Contributory theft of services" might be an option... but it'd have to wait until after theft of services resulted from the marking (and they'd have to prove it was the marking, not just "war driving", that identified the victim).

    There are actually a couple of obvious legal arguments on both sides (e.g. "I thought they put up the markings themselves" vs. "I was warning the admin"), wich could confuse things immensely.

    -- Terry

  42. WEP node by chipotle_pickle · · Score: 1

    Sorry to be the only one not to know what a WEP node is. Anyone care to help out?

    1. Re:WEP node by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WEP = wireless enlarged penis

    2. Re:WEP node by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't know what WEP means, you don't need to know.

    3. Re:WEP node by 00_NOP · · Score: 2

      It means you are using a lame encryption method that hackers are definately gonna want to break in to. Actually it means Wire Equivalent Privacy or something like that, it's a MAC level security system. But it's busted.

    4. Re:WEP node by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See? This information is of no value to you, because you either don't have or use wlan equipment, which means WEP doesn't concern you, or you have/use wlan equipment, in which case you would know what WEP is.

    5. Re:WEP node by zoward · · Score: 2

      WEP = Wired Equivalent Privacy. It's a wireless security protocol that was supopsed to make your wireless communication at least as secure as if it were running across an ethernet cable (but not necesarily any more so). It gets a lot of flak because it's not very secure; but it was never really intended to be.

      --
      "Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?"
  43. Wi-Fi at Glastonbury festival by wilton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm off to Glastonbury Festival this weekend. Does anyone know if there will be wi-fi access there ?? It might be worth taking my laptop along...

    Will

    --
    per mere, per terras
  44. Why the need for graffiti? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

    Oh great, go around drawing on bits of other people's walls so it becomes a bit easier to leech off some third person's network connection.

    If these people are so technically clued-up, why not use computers to do the work? Store the geographical information in a file and download it to your machine once a week or so. Then either use GPS or just type in the street name.

    --
    -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
  45. Wha?? by WhiteKnight07 · · Score: 1

    Ok, according to the PDF the number below the symbol is supposed to be the ammount of bandwidth the node in question has. So, just how many kbps is "1*5"?

    --


    We're going to make information free Mr. Anderson, whether you like it, or not.
    1. Re:Wha?? by TitaniumFox · · Score: 1

      One might propose that it is a "1.5," as in "1.5 Mbit/s." Isn't that the bandwidth for a T1?

      --
      -- I'd say your post was about 3 monkeys, 18 minutes.
    2. Re:Wha?? by WhiteKnight07 · · Score: 1

      Ahhh.... I see. Thankyou for the morsel of enlightenmnt. I should have known that.

      --


      We're going to make information free Mr. Anderson, whether you like it, or not.
    3. Re:Wha?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or is the 1*5 the speed range that the 802.11b will autonegotiate through. IIRC the laptop will try to connect at the highest speed possible, but if it detect a high level of retransmited packets it will negotiate down to a lower, more stable speed. Thus 1 mbps is the min speed and 5 mbps is the max.

  46. I am a bit annoied by this... by 00_NOP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...because I am one of those people trying to seriously encourage community wireless and if that activity is seen to be some sort of cracker plot it will be damaged.

    I want the local computer users near me to buy wireless cards and log into my node, they aren't going to buy the cards if they think somebody is going to use them to steal their data.

    1. Re:I am a bit annoied by this... by BenHmm · · Score: 2

      I take your point, but I think Matt's reasoning (which I agree with) is that to get online via a wireless node you have to know where it is.



      To find out where it is, you have to online. Unless you see a visual clue - this is one way of doing that. My consume node is the one in the picture.

  47. Great by Whatever+Fits · · Score: 1

    Now they'll make it illegal for anyone under 18 to buy chalk too!

    --
    My name fits again.
  48. don't even try this by msouth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm patenting it as you type.

    --
    Liberty uber alles.
    1. Re:don't even try this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      use lead paint!

  49. Since when does Canada have an Army??? by Pansy · · Score: 0
    WTF?!? I thought you guys were about to become the 51st state pending the transfer of the three goats and case of beer we traded for your country. Now all of a sudden you tell us you actually have armed forces so we're forced to come up there and kill you all. Damn...and I was all ready to go and rename the Northwest Territory Tuxland.

    FYI in case you didn't notice this is a joke, not a troll...On the other hand people often feed trolls...and I'm a poor college student...Troll it is...

    --
    People are the problem, stop procreation now!
  50. anybody thinking Blade? by limbop · · Score: 1

    Vampire markings, safe houses, blood banks etc. Will we be seeing people going around with their WiFi card make and model on the back of their necks?

    limbo.

  51. YES!!!! by Satanboy · · Score: 1

    this is exactly something I was thinking about doing!

    I already have one place to warchalk, and its gonna get bigger as time goes by. YAY, I finally have a reason to buy a nice wi-fi card
    hee hee hee

    --whats a sig file?-- >:-}

  52. WarSarcasm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, what you need now is a PDA app
    which detects the SSID and status and displays
    the s00per-s3kr1t WarChalking icon IN REAL TIME!

    -----sharks

  53. Follow Tackamarcs to meet: Cute nazi chicks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taken from that website: The sergeant even said that they [evil NWO Storm Troopers from Latvia manning internal Homeland Security checkpoints] are duplicating the ancient Roman Legions salute to Caesar, using the right arm upraised with the fist . Instead of "Hail Caesar," though they say, "Hail the Republic."

    Welcome to Bush's New Amerikan Republic, I say.

    Here are a couple of (hilarious) examples of Amerikans giving the salute.

    Las Vegas Skinheads giving salute". Cute chicks, though.

    Nazi chicks "preserving our White Race one child at a time"

    Check out SS Sandra...!

    Another pic of SS Sandra

    SS Sandra now a little tired from all that saluting

    Rasse Krieg, meine Herren!

  54. SSID Friend, and Enter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who says you have to write the SSID in the Roman alphabet. Tengwar or Cirith would work just as well, be sufficiently obscure, and more than sufficiently geeky. :)

  55. NOT ridiculous by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...these signs are nothing more than telling people where they can steal free bandwidth.

    [snip]

    This is F***ing ridiculous. Go buy your OWN damn access and stop taking others' just because you can.

    This is not ridiculous at all, since the United States' cybersecurity czar said that these idiots deserve their fate:

    "If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, then you ... deserve to be hacked."

    http://news.com.com/2100-1001-840335.html

    I'm sorry, but these morons desperately need a wake-up call.

    --
    In times of universal deceit, telling the truth gets you modded -1 Troll
  56. Interference Patterns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bah...I'm blatantly too late, but I read somewhere (new scientist probably) that defense labs were working on reflecting signals of different phase/amplitude/frequency of the surroundings such that the original signal is only recreated at certain points...at which your ally would be sitting. Combine this with chaotic noise addition, and it's a fairly good system. On another note, I read (same placE) that echoes from buildings could be used to seperate transmissions on the same frequency/band by location (different timings etc).

  57. Re:In the Clutches of Project Faustus! by forged · · Score: 1
    Shouldn't the above read, to the fullest extent...?

    ;)

  58. Wardriving / Warchalking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you know that the WLAN link you just borrowed isn't intentionally unencrypted, going through a DMZ NIC on a firewall with an IP-less box attached to it sniffing packets? Call it, HoneyWLAN or whatever. Call me paranoid but not only would I *not* surf on someone else's LAN, but loging in to email or other services is the last thing I would do.

    Don't assume that every WLAN link encrypted or unencrypted is owned or managed by the clueless.

    Never underestimate your opponent. -Sun Tzu