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If only H.L. Mencken or A.J. Liebling were still around to weigh in on the kidnapping stories suffusing our media lately. Alas, they're not. They wouldn't even be able to find work these days. And too bad. If healthy media criticism still existed, someone might have pointed out the insane hype that shrouded tragedies like the death of Princess Di and TWA Flight 800. Pandering media hype isn't new to people who've been on the Net or the Web. Just consider the hacking and porno scares and insane coverage of offspring companies like Microsoft and Amazon. Why does a case like the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart get so much attention when others just as horrific get none at all? The answer is as obvious as it is depressing.

Magazine and newspaper critics -- like Liebling, Mencken and I.F. Stone -- once wrote bitingly and insightfully about the greed, hypocrisy and warped values of the people who ran conventional news organizations, and about how those traits affected media coverage. This criticism gave us some context with which to grasp and comprehend what we were reading and seeing. But as media became increasingly corporatized in the 80s and 90s, such critics vanished. Media criticism turned into celebrity journalism, with a growing focus on media moguls and TV superstars. Even greedy capitalists like Bill Gates were fawned over by the toughest reporters and critics, when they should have been paying more attention to his business practices.

Every now and then, however, an old and new media issue pops up. It's disingenuous for media gasbags to wonder why the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart from Salt Lake City gets tides of media hype while the kidnapping of 7-year-old Alexis Patterson from Milwaukee gets so little. We know why. The answer has been the same for years now, and only gets more clear with each corporate acquisition of a media property: modern media is about making money, and that depends entirely on selecting stories that entertain, titillate, blow up or confront.

Last week, CNN devoted a whole program to the mysterious process by which some tragedies -- the Death of Di to name one -- get staggering amounts of media coverage, while others -- like Mother Teresa's death the same week -- merit relatively little. CNN's high-minded panelists debated whether racism was the issue: Smart is a rich white kid, Alexis Patterson is poor and black. Is there a double standard? Others suggested Smart's parents were understandably working to promote media coverage, to involve more people in searching for their daughter. But this dichotomous coverage is familiar to Net veterans. Kevin Mitnick got as much media coverage in our time as Al Capone, even though he never killed anybody. Hacking gets vastly more media attention than assault or robbery, cyber-porn more than the newsstand kind. Media are always selective about what makes them hysterical.

It was striking to realize that none of CNN's panelists came close to the simple truth: media are market-driven, not idea-substance-or-content driven. Even the once-staid weekly newsmagazines are as likely as not to have movie stars on their covers, despite the number of important stories worthy of coverage. Cable channels, newspapers and newsmagazines cater to wealthy people -- no matter what color -- because those are the consumers advertisers want to reach. To some degree, this has always been true. But as more media have been taken over by massive corporations like AOL Time-Warner, Disney and General Electric, the process has vastly accelerated. News gets marketed just like cereal. Numbers rule. Ratings shape not only news coverage, but our very perceptions of the news. Such companies don't decide not to cover Alexis Patterson because she's poor and black. Profoundly pragmatic and opportunistic, they'd be happy to exploit blacks as well as whites, if the demographics worked. They don't cover Alexis Patterson's abduction because poor viewers in Milwaukee or elsewhere have nothing to do with ratings, ad revenue or profit margins. Blonde kids from wealthy families in Salt Lake City do.

Even so-called serious media like the New York Times and Washington Post are market-driven, focused increasingly on high-end consumer products spawned by digital technology, and on entertainment and controversy. The Times runs several weekly sections brazenly aimed at affluent second home buyers, wine connoisseurs and other high-end consumers. Stories about redecorating million-dollar cottages don't appear because they're newsworthy, but because they draw readers with money, thus advertisers with revenue.

The Elizabeth Smarts of the world will always trump the Alexis Pattersons. Modern media online or off, aren't steered by editors and producers making moral and creative judgments, but by business conglomerates, lawyers, analysts and market researchers. Their sole imperative: generate controversy (a la Monica Lewinsky), select stories that draw the most desirable readers and generate the greatest profits. This principle is evident in media coverage of computing and software as well, and has been for years. Stories about the Net invariably center on marketing -- what will make the most money, or what might be of interest to frightened and confused parents, rather than what is significant. Look how much coverage child pornography online gets, and how little coverage there is of truly revolutionary techno-stories, from gene mapping to AI. And most Americans have never even heard of open source, let alone had the chance to consider it's many implications. Intellectual property and copyright laws have been re-written, thanks to digital technology, yet these stories get sporadic and incomplete coverage.

Media debates about story judgment and ethics are often this hypocritical and disingenuous, mostly because critics and panelists aren't really free to speak the truth -- moral media died decades ago. From Princess Di to terrorism to kidnapping, stories grow in a hyper-information environment, one which promotes argument and hysteria and, increasingly, filters out the lives of poor, ordinary, or non-marketable people. Modern media takes stories and filters them through an increasingly sophisticated marketing machine.Online, blogs and small sites are freer than conventional journalists to set a broader agenda, but their audiences remain small and fragmented.

Thus, there's no mystery about why Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping gets so much more attention than that of other kids. The only mystery is how long it will take the media -- and more importantly, the public -- to understand and acknowledge the reality of their own new, intensely corporate, value system.

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  1. Damn, Slashdotted already... by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thought I'd repost the article since it's been slashdotted:

    "If only H.L. Mencken or A.J. Liebling were still around to weigh in on the kidnapping stories suffusing our media lately. Alas, they're not. They wouldn't even be able to find work these days. And too bad..."

    Heh just kidding...

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    1. Re:Damn, Slashdotted already... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2


      Like a Katz article would ever get slashdotted ;)
      </Obligitary Katz-Bashing>

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  2. all designed... by sugrshack · · Score: 2, Interesting
    to take our minds off of what may really be happening.

    You might want to read Chomsky.

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    1. Re:all designed... by dmarien · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but refferring to chomsky everytime there's a debate regarding the media just doesn't cut it... so many times I've seen first year university students portray the behavious of the "how do you like them apples?" attitude of Good Will Hunting that it sickens me.

      Yes, chomsky has some amazing insights, stats, etc... into modern media but he isn't the answer, solution, nor effect of what's happened site media corporatization (is that a word?).

      mc is a good read, and I would recommend it to everyone, but even manufacturing consent was manufactured...

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    2. Re:all designed... by lrichardson · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "to take our minds off of what may really be happening"

      "Media debates about story judgment and ethics are often this hypocritical and disingenuous, mostly because critics and panelists aren't really free to speak the truth -- moral media died decades ago"

      Personally, I find it hilarious when people talk about the 'liberal left-wing' media. The primary news sources for 99.9% of Americans are owned by a scant handful of interests. Hell, one company now owns over three quarters of all the radio stations in the US! And these owners have a number of traits in common: f$cking wealthy, believe in the status quo (hey, they got where they are within the system ... so don't see any need to change it), and, most disturbing, are taking more and more of an active interest in leaning on (or dumping) reporters who dare to question things.

      Politics is still fair game. It's almost entirely rhetoric, the two parties almost always work out a compromise ... and, just like the media owners, virtually all politicos come from f$cking wealthy parents (the gentleman in the White House as an example). And both parties are far, far to the right of the average American as a consequence.

      OTOH, any reporter who tried to give Nader serious coverage ran into some real problems ... geez, we had reporters threatened here in the middle of nowhere (aka Des Moines (although, to be fair, they consider themselves the moral starting point of the Republicans))

      For a really scary example, take those two 'reporters' who were captured in Iraq. Due to travel, got to see the stories both in Canada and the US. The Canadian news (government station) talked about their easily established links to the CIA and Military Intelligence, and showed photos of the 'road' where they crossed the border ... deep trench, rolls of barbed wire on both sides, and signs (in multiple languages, including English) saying 'Don't cross, Iraqi border'. On the US side, nothing. Well, they were 'innocent victims' who 'accidentally' wandered into Iraq. The media in the US has become self-censoring, the joy of any abusive government.

      And think about the coverage anyone who questions the current 'War on Terrorism' gets ... either little or none, or is savagely attacked for being unpatriotic.

    3. Re:all designed... by H310iSe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's funny, I was thinking about this subject during my morning quality reading time (john) - there was an article about a U Illinois media prof. who complains about how media is run as big-business and that's inherently opposed to the spirit of the first ammendment. He cited the lack of dailys in NYC (down from 9 in the 1940's) and the inability of any small publisher (think Zine) to reach a wide audience.

      I mean, first off, NY has at 2 free weeklies, the post and the times (radically different styles) and that new conservative-funded rag (I forget the name) so there are 5 papers running there. Considering the rise of TV and general displacement of print media down to 5 from 9 isn't so bad.

      Secondly, and more importantly, it's kind of blaming the messenger isn't it? I mean, other news is available to us, obviously, even if it's not spoon-fed from the checkout line. If people aren't reading/watching it, it's because they don't want to. I blame the quality, the timber if you will, of the Average American much more than I do the Media Giants. If you think they're all brainwashed by Murdoch then you're taking away free choice and postulating a rat-in-the-maze/pavlovian world (which I sort-of don't think is how things really are). If you accept that we have choice, and you can't deny the choice exists, then we must conclude that people WANT to read about rich white mormon girls. WHY don't Zines thrive? WHY don't people look to indymedia.org or whatever for their news? Because they simply don't want to.

      I know there are other factors, but the fact that Americans (in particular) don't fit in to the image we'd like them to (of free-thinking, compassionate, caring folks who want to know the Truth) we can't say it's Media's fault. It's our fault. Americans.

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    4. Re:all designed... by letxa2000 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Could anarchy work? If I were given free reign to do whatever I wanted with my life, without restraint, could society still function?

      Try Mexico.

      I'm 100% American but have lived here in Mexico for 6+ years. In my opinion, Mexico is pretty much an anarchy with a "government" as a front.

      The government does NOTHING to help the citizens, in fact it screws them over, it does nothing to improve the infrastructure. There are police but, for the most part, people fear them as much or more than the criminals--in fact, the police often ARE the criminals! (organized kidnapping organizations have been found that are made of active duty police). The citizens pay their taxes just to keep the government off their back, not because they have any expectation any good will become of the taxes paid. People are used to having roads falling apart, a single rainstorm destroys roads by creating dangerous potholes. That is the norm, no-one excepts anything else.

      I think Mexico is a pretty good example of a modern-day anarchy. It works, I guess, but it is damn frustrating!

      I'd much prefer the United States' with all of its political and corporate corruption. It's better than a virtual anarchy with even more corrupt politicians and corporations. Everything is relative.

    5. Re:all designed... by JamesOfTheDesert · · Score: 2
      The Great American Experiment has failed, as every government is condemned to do. The Constitution is no longer adhered to, instead we have some flimsy "living document" that means whatever the current instantiation of the Supreme Court wants it to mean.

      What? There may have been some dubious rulings, but by and large the Constitution is well adhered to, and American society is doing fine.

      The Supreme Court does not just dictate new rules as, and when, they see fit; if you want to bitch about the dilution of the American Experiment, focus on the scores of petty, bullshit laws produced by that parliment of whores, Congress.

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  3. Alexis Patterson by kwishot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every now and then, however, an old and new media issue pops up. It's disingenuous for media gasbags to wonder why the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart from Salt Lake City gets tides of media hype while the kidnapping of 7-year-old Alexis Patterson from Milwaukee gets so little.

    Do you live in Milwaukee? Have you ever been to Milwaukee? Do you realize that for the past two months (or however long she's been missing) it's been on the news almost every day in Milwaukee? There are flyers in most local businesses with her picture. There are tons of things in the paper.
    I've never said anything, JonKatz, about your unwarranted rantings, but this is too far. Oh, and by the way, how did you find out about Alexis Patterson? Doing an internet search about missing kids in the recent past and running across some media coverage of the story?
    Please...

    1. Re:Alexis Patterson by Vuarnet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you live in Milwaukee? Have you ever been to Milwaukee? Do you realize that for the past two months (or however long she's been missing) it's been on the news almost every day in Milwaukee? There are flyers in most local businesses with her picture. There are tons of things in the paper.

      I live in Mexico. I have never heard before about the Alexis Patterson kidnapping. Yet when I watch CNN, there's a lot of stories about the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. And I have to (somewhat painfully) agree with Jon Katz about this one.

      The Big Media tends to take one story and latch on to it, and squeeze it for all the money it can get. It's either that, or the Smarts have been paying afwully huge amounts of money to buy airtime in several media channels and newspapers and such.

      It's not like the O.J. murder trial or the Blake murder trial. They're famous people, so more people know them and want to know what's going on with those cases. In the Smart case, they're taking someone unknown and making her famous. And it's not "the people" deciding it. It's the studio execs. It's Ted Turner. It's people with a desire to earn more money through selling advertisement to more viewers.

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    2. Re:Alexis Patterson by David+Price · · Score: 2

      Elizabeth Smart's case is being heavily covered in national media. Alexis Patterson's is not.

    3. Re:Alexis Patterson by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I am on the net every day. I watch TV a bit, but most of my info comes from news sites and the paper. And as much as I have been on it in the past month, I had no idea who Alexis Patterson was.


      His point was not that there was no media coverage, but that for Alexis it was very localized, while for Elizabeth Smart it was highly covered nationally.


      Oh, and by the way, how did you find out about Alexis Patterson? Doing an internet search about missing kids in the recent past and running across some media coverage of the story

      You make a valid point, but if you go over to CNN.com, and look on the front page, I can find all of the info I want for the Smart kidnapping. That is the coverage issues he is referring to.

    4. Re:Alexis Patterson by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I've never said anything, JonKatz, about your unwarranted rantings, but this is too far.

      Well, I live outside Milwaukee and this media junkie hasn't heard word one about Ms. Patterson's kidnapping. I also live outside Salt Lake and the airwaves are filled with Ms. Smart's story. What Katz says in this case is spot on.

      I wish people such as yourself would stop and think before posting a knee-jerk anti-Katz response. Sometimes he does say stuff that's worthwhile and this is one of those times.

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    5. Re:Alexis Patterson by selan · · Score: 2

      Maybe, but nationally the story received very little coverage, except for all the "why does the Smart case get all the attention when the same thing happened in Milwaukee?" rants. There have been plenty media rants on that topic, which is how I found out about Alexis Patterson, and probably how Katz did too.

    6. Re:Alexis Patterson by daoine · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, I thought it was kind of funny to read Katz's story, because I knew that I read it before...many times.

      The same commentary showed up in the Milwaukee Journal in early June. (note, not from Milwaukee, I think an Elizabeth Smart article actually had the link, but I can't find it)

      The Washington Post wrote about ittwo weeks ago.

      This isn't really insightful. It's doesn't really have a /. slant to it, or any new information - quite a few people have said it before. A Google search for alexis patterson media coverage pretty much tells all. I'm sure you could get more by playing with the search terms.

    7. Re:Alexis Patterson by neuroticia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm in New York City. Milwaukee is far far away, as is Salt Lake City. I never heard of Alexis, I never saw Alexis on the news. The first time I heard of Alexis was... Well... Now.

      Truth is, I watched each news broadcast about Elizabeth Smart with two conflicting emotions. "God, that's horrible. Poor little girl." And "Wait a minute. She can't possibly be the only kid who has been kidnapped since the last kidnapping news story I saw. Why the heck is she getting so much media coverage...?" Which was answered shortly after that. "Oh. She's overprivilidged".

      It's no news that kids with money are more important than those without. It's no news that kids from affluent families are more likely to get media time, if only because the parents know how to publicize things.

      You cannot say that Alexis has gotten nearly as much coverage as Smart. I mean.. C'mon. Barely a day passes without Smart's picture being on *Something*. I hear her name mentioned more than I hear about Israel, more than I hear about terrorist threats, more than I hear about things that happened in the city I'm living in.

      American media is insane.

      -Sara

    8. Re:Alexis Patterson by Ooblek · · Score: 2
      Of course no one wants to believe Elizabeth Smart's case is nationally covered for any reason other than she is white and rich. I'm sure the fact that she is Mormon probably escaped scrutiny especially since no one wants to criticize the Mormons just like everyone is afraid of the Scientologists. At least you know where the Scientologists will attack you - the court of law. Mormons are almost the mafia in scope of their deeds and power.

      I also heard almost the exact same words about the Smart vs. Patterson covered on NPR a few days ago. Almost sounds like plaugerism.

      And before I start getting flamed, I was baptised a Mormon although I no longer consider myself a Mormon. A great many of my extended family members are Mormon, and they, as far as I know, are good people as I am sure many Mormons are. Some of my extended family, however, has had to deal with their underhanded tactics of lies and threats as the church attempted to control their lives.

    9. Re:Alexis Patterson by ascarave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, my response comes from someone who does live in Salt Lake City. Our city is also plastered with posters of the local "little girl lost". Our TV stations blare the speculation and show the daily media updates where family members say informative things like "no comment", "our story has not changed" and "we hope she comes home safely". I will spare everyone my ananlysis and disgust at this whole story from my local outlook. Salt Lake City is a very conservative town, but we do have a couple of alternative media outlets such as City Weekly. It is because of this media that I have heard of Alexis Patterson. Of course, the only reason I have heard about her is that many of us have grown disgusted at the hypocrisy in Salt Lake City of the Elizabeth Smart story. Jon Katz is dead on with his analysis from what I see. Two years ago, by the way, we had a young girl disappear from a less affluent side of town and turn up dead a couple of days later in the Jordan River. Total news coverage dedicated to that was basically zero. Rich white Mormon girls disappearing from their own homes sells. Like it or not, the desirable demographic identifies more with that then with a poor black girl, or even a poor white girl. If Elizabeth's daddy were not affluent, we would not be hearing this story in all likelyhood. Children disappear across America every day. Another reason the Elizabeth Smart case makes the headlines is that it stinks to high heaven. There is something really wrong here and the wolves that write the stories are hoping that eventually we discover the deep, dark truth of what happened and they can sell millions of copies.

    10. Re:Alexis Patterson by ocbwilg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Do you live in Milwaukee? Have you ever been to Milwaukee? Do you realize that for the past two months (or however long she's been missing) it's been on the news almost every day in Milwaukee? There are flyers in most local businesses with her picture. There are tons of things in the paper.

      I've never said anything, JonKatz, about your unwarranted rantings, but this is too far. Oh, and by the way, how did you find out about Alexis Patterson? Doing an internet search about missing kids in the recent past and running across some media coverage of the story?


      Err...I don't live in Milwaukee. I haven't the slightest clue who Alexis Patterson is, or rather I didn't until she was referenced in this article. This is the first that I've heard of her or her abduction.

      Neither do I live in Salt Lake City. I live in Ohio. I've heard of Elizabeth Smart. I not only know who she is, I can tell you exactly what she looks like and what she was wearing when she was abducted. I can tell you what her abductor was reportedly wearing the night of the abduction.

      Not only that, I can name each of Elizabeth's siblings, her parents, and even her uncle. I can tell you what suburb of Salt Lake City they live in. I can tell the name of the handyman who has done construction work for the family and is now a chief suspect. I can tell you what he was paid for his work. I can tell you what kind of car the handyman drives. I can tell you that the handyman lives in a mobile home nextdoor to his in-laws who also live in a mobile home. I can tell you that he has pet cats.

      I can tell you that Elizabeth's younger sister has told two different stories of what happened the night that Elizabeth disappeared. I can tell you that there was a statewide search during which someone claims to have seen a suspect matching the abductor's description acting strangely in a wooded ravine area, but that further investigation turned up nothing. I can tell you that police have investigated false sightings of Elizabeth as far away as Texas, and that there was also a nationwide manhunt for a material witness who was found after a week in a hospital in the eastern US.

      I have no interest whatsoever in either of these abduction cases. The chances of me ever needing to use any of this information is so far beyond miniscule as to be laughable, but it has all been imprinted in my head, and I don't even watch the news that much.

      Milwaukee may be saturated with news of the abduction of Alexis Patterson, but that saturation doesn't even touch the surface of the nationwide saturation of news regarding Elizabeth Smart. This is in addition to the local saturation in Salt Lake City that I'm sure is every bit as bad as that in Milwaukee. Your post is seriously off base when considering the vast difference in the scale of media hype.

    11. Re:Alexis Patterson by M-G · · Score: 2

      Well, if you're sitting in Rolla over the summer, you probably aren't keeping up with much news at all. That's the way Rolla works...you completely lose track of the outside world.

      Being closer to STL, and not being a news junkie, I've heard plenty about the Smart case. I'm sure it will continue to be featured heavily on the commercial news outlets here, unless another person affiliated with the Cardinals dies.

    12. Re:Alexis Patterson by falzbro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I live in Madison, which is about 60 miles from Milwaukee. While I have heard of Alexis from our local AM radio morning guy, I've not seen it on the daily local news, newspaper, etc.

      Indeed, I had heard of the SLC chick days if not a week or so before I had heard of Alexis. Hell, I know NOTHING about Alexis other than it's "some girl missing" but I DO know that the SLC chick was hunting down some random guy that drove a few thousand miles on his car, from watching CNN two days a week for a half hour at home during lunch.

      IMHO, neither should be more than a blurb in the news. Yes it's a tragedy, but didnt some planes just crash in to each other? Didnt some pilots just try to fly a plane drunk?

      It's unfortunate that once a story like this breaks, they MUST continue to keep it in the press all of the time because the housewives of the world need to find out whats happening to their new weekly obsession.

    13. Re:Alexis Patterson by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 2

      Your missing the point.

      E. Smart gets nationwide coverage while A. Patterson is unheard of outside Milwaukee. So, as long as she's still *in* Milwaukee, she has a chance of being found I guess.

      Well, as a wise man once said, "We have stone-age minds and space-age business suits." Or something like that...

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    14. Re:Alexis Patterson by gosand · · Score: 2
      It is painfully obvious that the Smart kidnapping is getting more widespread press coverage than all of the other similar events in this country. But what is the point of merely pointing that out? My issue is that Katz only points this fact out. That isn't a news story either, it is a simple observation. Duh. The execs control the news we see and hear? Holy Jebus, what a revelation!

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    15. Re:Alexis Patterson by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's just like the Keven Shepard case. There are three rules to making the mass media when something tragic happens to you.

      1: you (or a good portion of your pictures/footage) have to be attractive (this is required)
      2: you have to be "normal", no extremist views for you
      3: you have to identify as "that could be my kid/husband/me!" to a great majority of the add-buying populus.

      the only way to avoid this is to kill like 30 people, but even then you will only get a few days coverage before your trial if you don't fit those rules.

      You will also notice there will be only one contriversial issue covered in depth at a time, this is so everyone knows what to make idle chatter about the next day. If it makes good idle chatter they will continue running it until it gets old. Yes it's disturbing, but really how much do you *really* care about these cases anyway, unless they happen in your neighborhood.

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    16. Re:Alexis Patterson by radish7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree when you mention the media latching on to a particular story and sucking it for all of the money that it's worth. JonKatz's little ditty leads to that point most of the time; and there isn't a problem with it.

      Too many people see the media (TV/newspapers/internet/radio) as an entity that exists for the purpose of informing people about current events. They become outraged when capitalism "rears its ugly head" from time to time. After all, we're entitled to the news! For free!

      The media makes their money by grabbing your ears, eyeballs, or heartstrings. They sell this real estate to advertisers. Don't EVER think they have anything else as their goal (i.e. "fair, unbiased coverage", "local issues").

      I'm a die hard maximizing economist, and so are the media companies. It's just the way it is. If you don't like it, turn that dial to NPR or PBS and rock out.

      -Tom

    17. Re:Alexis Patterson by namespan · · Score: 2

      ... I can name each of Elizabeth's siblings, her parents, and even her uncle. I can tell you what suburb of Salt Lake City they live in. I can tell the name of the handyman who has done construction work for the family and is now a chief suspect. I can tell you what he was paid for his work. I can tell you what kind of car the handyman drives. I can tell you that the handyman lives in a mobile home nextdoor to his in-laws who also live in a mobile home. I can tell you that he has pet cats.

      You know a heck of a lot more than I do, and I live 60 miles south of where the Smarts do (and I can prove it... I used the word heck).

      Leaving that aside for the moment, one wonders why the fact you know all these things is bad. If you know them, maybe others know them, and maybe we have thousands informed people whose eyes are on the lookout. It seems like a good thing.

      I think the better question than "why is this getting attention" would be "can we scale this effect for good"?

      Of course, it would be nice if we could get rid of the "News Update: nothing has changed" announcements, but since people have an attention span of 20 minutes, it may even be they're necessary....

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    18. Re:Alexis Patterson by JordoCrouse · · Score: 2

      I live in Mexico. I have never heard before about the Alexis Patterson kidnapping. Yet when I watch CNN, there's a lot of stories about the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. And I have to (somewhat painfully) agree with Jon Katz about this one.

      Exactly - The Elizabeth Smart kiddnapping hit CNN within about 16 hours. The main players were on the Today show the next day. The Alexis Patterson story banging around the Milwaukee for a month or so until somebody picked it up nationally.

      And lets dive in a little bit more:

      Two months ago, in Salt Lake City, a little hispanic girl was kidnapped and her body was discovered about a month later in the river. Beyond a blurb on the news (that didn't even lead in the first 15 minutes), there was no mention. There were no flyers. Ironically, most people heard about it during the first days of the Smart case.

      About a week ago, a little boy disappeared in the mountains outside of Salt Lake. While the search was still ongoing, the local news stations still lead with "breaking news" from the Smart case.

      It's either that, or the Smarts have been paying afwully huge amounts of money to buy airtime in several media channels and newspapers and such.

      Possibly - whatever the reason, the Smarts have the right amount of cash, they are the right color, and in Utah, they are the right religion.

      Don't get me wrong, I feel horrible about the Smart girl - but I think that equal treatment should apply for all missing and exploited children, not just the ones that appeal to national TV.

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    19. Re:Alexis Patterson by ocbwilg · · Score: 2

      Leaving that aside for the moment, one wonders why the fact you know all these things is bad.

      Because I live on the other side of the country and this information is not only useless to me, making sure that I know it does nothing to help the cause of finding Elizabeth Smart. But on to the point...

      If you know them, maybe others know them, and maybe we have thousands informed people whose eyes are on the lookout. It seems like a good thing.

      I think the better question than "why is this getting attention" would be "can we scale this effect for good"?


      That's just it, you can't scale this effect for good. Scaling this effect is bad! Sure, we can publicize the lurid details of a single child abduction on a nationwide scale, but what good does it do? They are hyping the abduction of a single child, one of thousands who is abducted on a daily basis and one who (in all likelihood) is already dead. Hyping this single case works to the detriment of all the thousands of other kids who have been abducted and haven't been hyped. The more time NBC, CBS, and ABC spend on the Smart case the less time they are spending on the Patterson case or many others like it. And what purpose does all the hype serve? None. What good did the JonBenet Ramsey hype do? What about Chandra Levy? What about Danielle Van Dam? They were all dead long before the nationwide hype machine swung into full gear but that didn't keep the networks from hyping them anyways.

      The point of the article is that Elizabeth Smart's abduction is merely a single incident out of thousands that are no less newsworthy. The only reason that the Smart case is deemed newsworthy is because it isn't usually the rich man's kid who is kidnapped. The message is that unless you have lots of money then your kid isn't worth the hype because you aren't the media's "target demographics."

    20. Re:Alexis Patterson by invenustus · · Score: 2
      I also heard almost the exact same words about the Smart vs. Patterson covered on NPR a few days ago. Almost sounds like plagiarism.
      And I saw almost the exact same thing on Fox News (yes, the same evil rich right-wing corporate Fox News that wants to eat you!!!!) , where they interviewed Alexis Patterson's mother and stepfather on the lack of coverage. Maybe next week JonKatz can do a story on how the debate over the kidnapping coverage is being overhyped by the media.

      If the mainstream media were anything like JonKatz's articles, I'd be really worried.
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    21. Re:Alexis Patterson by feed_me_cereal · · Score: 2

      This is insightful?!?! The mods are hittin the pipe again...

      Do you realize that for the past two months (or however long she's been missing) it's been on the news almost every day in Milwaukee?

      so... you liver in milwaukee, of fcuking course it's going to be covered there. I don't think you understand. The point is, it's not getting equal coverage nationaly. And it isn't. I didn't even know someone had been kidnapped in Milwaukee until now, but I've heard about the smart case nearly every day. Sounds like a double standard to me.

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    22. Re:Alexis Patterson by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 2
      If you don't like it, turn that dial to NPR or PBS and rock out.
      Damn straight. It doesn't take the market to make good news -- quite the opposite. Actual people make decisions in NPR and PBS -- good people, who have some journalistic integrity, and that integrity isn't managed into oblivion. Getting my news from any other radio or TV is just an excercise in frustration (though there are many other good online and print news sources where profit isn't the bottom line).

      My only complaint is that there aren't other competing public institutions (Pacifica being a potential competitor to NPR, but it's not even on the radio where I live). I was very unhappy with NPR when it opposed low-power radio stations... I felt like it was trying to monopolize its niche at the expense of the very concept of public radio.

    23. Re:Alexis Patterson by edrugtrader · · Score: 2

      Katz, i'm from milwaukee, i drink high life. you are no milwaukian Katz.

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    24. Re:Alexis Patterson by Mr.Intel · · Score: 2
      Mormons are almost the mafia in scope of their deeds and power.

      Sure we are off-topic but you started it...

      Do you have examples? Obviously there is something specific that has created this vitriolic hatred in you. I fail to see how they are anything like the mafia.

      Some of my extended family, however, has had to deal with their underhanded tactics of lies and threats as the church attempted to control their lives.

      In what ways has the church "attempted to control their lives"? They are known for their missionary efforts. Is it the home teaching, the chastity, no alcohol/smoking/drugs, tithes? My experience has shown quite the opposite with the mormons. Perhaps you know of a test for one who is being mind controlled? How else would you know?

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    25. Re:Alexis Patterson by GutBomb · · Score: 2

      i live in sweden. at our summer house someone screwed up and ordered only german tv channels for the sattelite dish (bastards!) I was watching the german news and heard nothing about alexis patterson but there was a 30 minute special report about elizabeth smart.

    26. Re:Alexis Patterson by Sheetrock · · Score: 2
      If you're dissatisfied with the quality of the product you're being served, find a different store. Or station. Or website.

      I used to think the same way, but the following concepts I've only recently started to consider don't let this option sit well with me as a way of improving the situation in general:

      • Edward Bernays, the creator of the field of public relations, pointed out in an interview that the average IQ of the American public is 100. It's definitely one of those "Well, of course it is" type of things, but it is going to be the factor in any decision made about or by the majority (resulting in sitcoms or depressingly stupid 'save the children' legislation). Anybody smarter than average is, on average, going to have the benefit of the additional intelligence watered down at the end of the day.
      • I've noticed a fair number of people -- at least in America and/or sharing online forums with me -- lack any form of willpower whatsoever. On a number of occasions I've seen people roundly chew out a business that in the same post they say they're still planning to buy from. I've seen union members walk through protests to save a few bucks shopping at a non-union store. Certainly the free market is delivering on its promise to reward the businesses that are best able to compete, but when people pick quantity over quality all the quality businesses die off.
      • People who are in the know about the general worthlessness of the news have the option of going elsewhere. But what about the average Joe who thinks he's getting the full story off of CNN or Fox News? The scariest thing to me is the "Choose or Lose" campaigns MTV runs to push the section of their demographic of voting age out to the polls with 1/5th of the story. Sure, you or I can (and do) visit websites we think are feeding us a more reliable stream of news, but what about the majority? In order to really have an alternative, you have to know about and have access to the alternative in the first place... and somehow, I think the alternatives aren't newsworthy enough for even cable TV.
      On a promising note, most people I've taken the time to demonstrate easy news- and information-finding techniques to on the Internet use it to supplement their more conventional news sources. It's the same with researching information on candidates before elections. People who are motivated enough to vote seem to be willing to learn more about the issues or people on the ballot if they can just get their hands on the information. So I've kind of taken it upon myself to try to teach others how to access this information then get them to do the same with people they know, which kind of goes hand in hand with the occasional computer tutoring/fixing/tuneups I find myself doing in the community.
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    27. Re:Alexis Patterson by Zordak · · Score: 2
      I can tell you that Elizabeth's younger sister has told two different stories of what happened the night that Elizabeth disappeared.
      Not to nitpick, but the spokesman for the police asserted clearly that the younger sister has been consistent in her story from the beginning. The source of the two different stories is most likely the result of the media's tendancy to substitute conjecture when facts are not readily available and they need to get something to press. This is probably more of an indication of bad journalism than an indication that the sister is caught up in some kind of conspiracy or something.
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  4. Katz, you're getting your news from /. by ObviousGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hacking gets almost no coverage in the mainstream media outside of the 8 second blurb about some devastating email virus every now and then.

    The Mitnick story makes no ripples when two airplanes crash into each other over Germany and American bombs mistakenly take out a wedding party instead of our bearded foes.

    The news and hype around hackers that you speak of is only visible in dark reaches of the Net like ZDNet and Slashdot. CNN, MSNBC, and the other Major internet news outlets relegate these stories to the Technology page where they rightly belong.

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    1. Re:Katz, you're getting your news from /. by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2
      The Mitnick story makes no ripples when [...] American bombs mistakenly take out a wedding party instead of our bearded foes.
      Excuse me, but I thought mother-in-laws WERE our bearded foes ...
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    2. Re:Katz, you're getting your news from /. by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2

      Well - have you SEEN afghan bridesmaids? I doubt they're pretty ... hehe

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    3. Re:Katz, you're getting your news from /. by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2

      Although I've also seen some very ugly dudes from Mexico and their VERY hot wives... The trick is called "tequila" in the local tongue. Personally, I would never stoop that low ... I simply catch a womans eye and lick my eyebrows ...

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  5. Bias by peterdaly · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    Looks to me like Katz just got done reading "Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News".

    That book came out about the beginning of the year, and recieved quite a bit of press and publicity a few months ago. It's an insiders view at CBS of what makes news become news, and what doesn't.

    From the Publisher
    IN HIS NEARLY thirty years at CBS News, Emmy Award- winner Bernard Goldberg earned a reputation as one of the preeminent reporters in the television news business. When he looked at his own industry, however, he saw that the media far too often ignored their primary mission: objective, disinterested reporting...

    Talks about what he believes to be "liberal bias", although I think Katz's description is better than the term Goldberg puts on it.

    If you are interested in this topic, you may want to give the book a read.

    -Pete
    (affiliate link above...just so ya know.)

    1. Re:Bias by Hnice · · Score: 2

      Another winner is How to watch tv news by neil postman.

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  6. "News" brand information product by Hnice · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Something I've been kicking around for a while, and I'm neither pro nor against, so I'm wondering if anyone would like to think this through with me, is the idea of strict rules (either from the govt or some trade organization) regarding what can and can't be called 'news'. If i make my orange juice from concentrate, i have to tell people. If i manufacture my sparkling wine in brooklyn, i can't call it champagne. Perhaps there's a public good in someone saying, "it's not news if it's for-profit", or "it's not news if there's any commercials", or something like that.

    It doesn't solve the problem, but it does highlight the phenomenon. Anyone?

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    1. Re:"News" brand information product by Hnice · · Score: 2

      yeah, boy, this certainly set me straight. attempting to begin a discussion on a comment board. whatever was i thinking, 'perl_god'. oh, nothing pretentious about the nick, btw.

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    2. Re:"News" brand information product by RocketScientist · · Score: 2

      I think this is an interesting idea.

      Essentially, some governing body would determine that the following categories of information were news, and other categories were "features". Sports scores and actions are "news", but the Bob Costas-style features are just features, not really news. Political wrangling is news, but what the First Lady wore to dinner and who she talked to is a feature.

      There are a lot of judgment calls that would have to be made, and some mechanism for producing those calls would need to be standardized. If someone was doing it on a subscription basis, I'd buy.

    3. Re:"News" brand information product by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even something as simple as being forced to reveal the initial source of the story. How many 'news' stories today are nothing more then press releases, or marketing hype from a company that's been latched on to by media and re-spun to look relatively neutral.

      Perhaps some other rules should be set in place by this oversight body. Any new show, magazine, paper or other meda that follows these rules will be able to use the trademarked name of something like 'Real-NEWS'

      If a TV station where to follow these rules, they could have one broadcast of the news that is certified. They could run another show where they report all the fluff they want, and still call it news, it just woudn't be certified. A paper could just insert a 'real-NEWS' section and put all the real news there. The rest of the paper could be the standard fluff. My idea for some rules (in no particuar order):

      • Whenever a report of a passenger plane, train or other large crash or some other disater (like 9/.11) is reported, it will be obligatory to also report the number of automobile collisions and deaths for the current reporting day and year to date. These events are trivial in the perspective of killings and death by accident that occur on a daily basis, the public needs to understand these are really non-events. They are only reported because nothing draws a crowd like a large fireball.
      • When a couple has a litter of 5 or more kids that gets glamourized on TV as a 'miracle', they must also report on how much the popluation will be subsidizing them via the tax breaks they will be getting just for being over-breeders. They must futher report on the number of un-adopted children living in orphanages awaiting a home and family.
      • Any 'sound bite' must include the previous 15 and following 15 seconds of audio. The same should go for written stories with a 'previous three and following three' sentences from the desired quote. The media continually cherry pick quotes, ofen out of context, to sensationalize their story.
      • Nothng should be reported on the national news unless it affects at lest 1/3 of the population of the country. I think that' a nice low number and will still weed out all these 'some kid abducted' stories. The fact is that most all news is local news. The national news should latch on to the 'real' stories and provide in-depth unbiased coverage of those stories.
      • Require that no advertising related to a story will apear in the broadcast, or on the same page as the story in print.
      • Anything based on a press release instead of independent/objective research and interviews will not be reported as a news item. It will be placed in the advertisement or opinion sections of a broadcast/paper/magazine.
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    4. Re:"News" brand information product by guttentag · · Score: 2
      ...the idea of strict rules (either from the govt or some trade organization) regarding what can and can't be called 'news'.
      The age-old problem with this idea is that it is vulnerable to abuse. Let's say a law to this effect is passed, and a new or existing government agency (presumably reporting to the President, since responsibility for enforcement and regulation falls to the executive branch) is given the authority to license [journalists|news organizations]. A reporter writes an article Bush doesn't like and the agency revokes the journalist's license and suddenly every journalist is hesitant write anything that might upset the President.

      Journalism is often referred to as the "fourth estate" of government (the first three being the execitive, legislative and judicial branches, which are set up to check each others power). It is the independent watchdog that ensures the citizens know what their elected officials are doing. If an elected official is not acting in the interests of the people, he/she won't be re-elected. If you make the news media subservient to the president, he gains too much power. It's all about the balance of power.

      Trade associations are just as susceptible to corruption if given too much power. When I was in journalism school, the professors kept pitching the Society of Professional Journalists to us, saying that a paid membership would help us get jobs. I didn't sign up because I didn't see any benefit to the organization, and I had a good job in the field before I finished college. The organization was primarily a marketing tool for the university ("we're a leading j-school because the SPJ is headquartered on our campus.")

      As for distinguishing "news" from "crap," there are two important things to keep in mind.

      1. Real news organizations are out to make a profit (both the NYTimes and WashPost are public companies). That's how they survive and pay the salaries of the reporters. However, there is a strict division between the editorial staff (editors, reporters, photographers, etc.) and the publishers (the publisher, the payroll staff, the advertising staff, etc.). They each have defined roles to play and generally stay out of each others business. But when one group attempts to intrude on the other's territory, religious wars break out.

        A few years ago the editorial staff at washingtonpost.com forced out the site's publisher when he tried to turn the home page into a big advertising portal. They didn't have the authority to force him out, but they prevented him from accomplishing anything so he left.

      2. As a consumer, you should be able to distinguish news from advertising/infotainment.

        Pick up just about any publication that calls itself a "business journal" and you'll find plenty of articles that read like some company paid them to write and print a favorable story.

        Most television "news" is just infotainment -- you're not going to watch their commercials unless they make their "news" entertaining/sensational, but the majority of news isn't entertaining. It's informative. (See my recent rant on newspapers here).

    5. Re:"News" brand information product by Hnice · · Score: 2

      Well, the responses all seem to say the same thing, that this is a tough thing to do because the standard itself would be so up in the air. My initial thought would be to let newspeople set the rules, which is how, say, civil engineers do it, but even that's no good, because i have to imagine that's pretty political.

      To your first point, that the problem is self-solving, that among real organizations the editorial has a great deal of power over the publishers, this is true, but i think it only captures half the problem. The issue is not that organizations with good editorial staffs will produce real news, but rather that it will be indistinguishable from papers and shows without good editorial intentions. Two papers, forty percent ads by volume, one written by people with a desire for integrity, one written by people who want to sell ads -- there's no way to tell the difference.

      Which leads to your second point, which is purely subjective, i think -- generally, i think that i can tell the difference between real and sponsored news, but i'm just not sure. and i'm not sure that people who are less skeptical, for whatever reason, ever make this distinction. So i think that even though picking out the obvious offenders is simple, it's the less obvious, as well as the people without the time to read this way, who can stand to benefit from this sort of a system.

      Now, don't get me wrong -- i completely understand that i've done little to address the question of who actually sets these standards -- but i do believe that they would have some value on the basis of the fact that not everyone watches as closely as i (and obvioiusly you) do.

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    6. Re:"News" brand information product by TFloore · · Score: 2

      Yours thoughts here sound good in theory, and I wish they were workable... In practice, I would fear them almost more than the current state of affairs.

      being forced to reveal the initial source of the story

      Reporters quite literally go to prison rather than being forced to reveal the sources for some of their stories. Who decides which stories have to have sources revealed? How many whistleblowers wouldn't under these rules?

      I like the idea of a trademarked category. The FCC does enough regulation now. But the company that controls this trademark... How will they run it? What kind of license fees? Will it be useful, like Underwriters Lab, who tests a crazy number of consumer products? Or just another useless rubber stamp like the TrustE?

      Regarding disasters... This rule seems to be "after you report 'news' tell why it isn't really news-worthy" which just makes me go "huh???". Yes, I understand the point here, but this "putting things in context" can make invalid comparisons.

      Quotes are made to be taken out of context. This is understood. If you don't understand that, hearing/seeing the surrounding statement won't really help that much.

      national news unless it affects at lest 1/3 of the population

      Have you heard the saying "All politics is local"? All news is local too. National news is local. Any barrier like this... You'll get into some nasty fights over the definition of "affects." Does a major forest fire in Colorado affect anyone outside that state? Well, if you were thinking of vacationing there, maybe. If it occurred in a US National Forest, does that automatically affect all US citizens? Is a fire that burns a state park less worthy of national news coverage than one in a national park?

      no advertising related to a story will appear in the broadcast

      Yipes. Congratulations, you have a story about house fires and you are not allowed to advertise home fire extinguishers. This rule doesn't make a lot of sense.

      Concerning press releases... serious research organizations do press releases too. Who gets to define "independent/objective" here?

      This sounds good in theory, but I fear it in practice. Too much of it depends on people exercising some intelligence and reasonableness on the topic, but simply requiring something like this has the built-in assumption that no one is exercising intelligence nad reasonableness.

      No thanks.

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    7. Re:"News" brand information product by gerardrj · · Score: 2

      I agree there are many things to be fleshed out in such a list of restrictions/rules. For some quick feedback:
      Sources: If a reporter can't reveal a source, then they should be able to do some other research to verify or locate the same information. Basically, I feel that if someone is going to provide information so important as to warrant inclusion in a news report, that person should be responsible for their statements.

      Quotes: I disagree. Quotes are supposed to inform you about what someone said. Being very selective you can make many a quote in to a negative or a positive. Providing the context I feel is vital to credibility.

      All news is local: Yea, I've heard that someplace: My post. The idea here is there are PLENTY of issues that affect a majority of the nation that could be reported on. Forest fires don't make the list (plane crashes don't either). The 1/3 number isn't meant to be concrete, it's just a starting point for debate.

      Ads: Yes. I would prohibit your scenareo if it where up to me.

      Press releases: Unless the press release is something like "we've cured X disease" or the release is reffering to some report that has been through the peer review process, I would tend to drop the 'story', and opt instead to put resources in to developing a 'report' with other objective information gained from at least some un-biased or opposition parties to the press release.

      Fear: I don't really understand what would be to fear. Yes, there are some tought decisions to make and there would be a lot of work to start such a scheme, but there would be no government involvment in this, and no mandatory compliance. The news orginizations would vouluntarily subscribe to and adhere to the rules. Any disputes would be litigated via arbitration or court battle. If some orginization decided to drop out, they drop out. But... they can't re-join for some time period. Anyone could run a non certified story, just not in a "real-NEWS" program or section.

      For news papers in particular, I see such reporting and certification as a value added service. Imagine the NYT putting out a premium 'real-NEWS' paper/edition and charging $1.00 per copy. The reader pays a premium, but gets a paper that they know won't be wasting their time. The stories in this edition can also run in the standard NYT at the same time. The premium paper subsidises the standard paper.

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    8. Re:"News" brand information product by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 2

      Actually, the BBC is PUBLICLY funded - paid for by the people. Each home or office that has a tv pays an annual license fee. this explains it, probably not the best article but the best I can do as I'm busy.

      Because it's a publicly funded body, it makes quality word-class programmes and it's news service is second to none imho. And best of all, no damned stupid adverts!!!!

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    9. Re:"News" brand information product by gerardrj · · Score: 2

      Your comments seem petty and spiteful. From them I assume that you either did not read the entire comment I posted, or you managed to miss the entire point. A brief review:

      Much news today is fluff, reporting on things that don't really impact peoples lives: bank robberies, drug busts, automobile, airplane and train collisions, shooting deaths, celebrity birthdays, sports scores, reading of corporate press-releases, etc. While these draw an audience, they are not newsworthy, they are entertainment. These are 'false-facts' and 'not-news' as you call them

      There would be no agency per se; certainly not a government one. This would be a contractual agreement that could be dissolved at any time by either party. Some institution (perhaps formed for just such a purpose) would oversee the use of the brand name. Violators would be dealt with according to the rules of the contract. When neccessary, legal suit could be brought. But most importantly, this is a completely voluntary opt-in on the part of the news outlets. There is absoloutly nothing Orwellian about it.

      On the quotes part, I don't think you can remove that. But first let me state that personally I think a sound-bite/quote has limited value in reporting. It's great for stories, but usually not for reports. Perhaps the rules would allow short quotes if the publishing agency also made the full text of the interview/speech publicly avaiable via the Internet, mail or stopping by the office to view it in person.

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  7. Howard Kurtz's Media Notes by floppy+ears · · Score: 2

    Every weekday Howard Kurtz (author of Spin Cycle), runs a column in the Washington Post called Media Notes. He summarizes the reporting on big and small issues, and provides great context to the media in general. He wrote about the Elizabeth Smart / Alexis Patterson issue over a week ago. He's very balanced, so don't go expecting either side of the Crossfire type of approach. All in all, I highly recommend his column if you're in to this kind of stuff.

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  8. Offspring co. by EyesWideOpen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just consider the hacking and porno scares and insane coverage of offspring companies like Microsoft and Amazon.

    I'm not sure that I understand this statement. What makes Microsoft an offspring company? Or Amazon for that matter?!

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    1. Re:Offspring co. by Per+Wigren · · Score: 2

      What makes Microsoft an offspring company?

      Because their business-model is "give it to me baby!"

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    2. Re:Offspring co. by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      I was going to post the same thing. I have no idea what he is talking about here. what porno scare? hacking scare? and how are these related to MS and Amazon?

      the only porno scare I see is at goatse.cx

      also:

      Magazine and newspaper critics -- like Liebling, Mencken and I.F. Stone -- once wrote bitingly and insightfully about the greed, hypocrisy and warped values of the people who ran conventional news organizations...

      what are you saying here? what I read is that you are a little jealous of their "talent" - I read that you would like to be considered of their ilk. is this acurate?

  9. JohnKatz article summed up in 1 line by strictnein · · Score: 2

    The answer is as obvious as it is depressing

    yes, the answer was obvious
    and it was depressing that someone would spend a whole article writing about it

    on a related side note... anyone ever watch CNN headline news anymore? That drastic stupid change they went through makes me want to shoot my TV.

    Here's a real life example I've seen several times now:
    "Hey, thanks for watching CNN Headline News! We'll leave you with music by 'Insert Lame Band Here' who just happened to stop by our studios to play for us"

    Oh... and I bet they just happen to be signed by a AOL/Time Warner record label.

    WTF is up with that. CNN Headline News used to be a somewhat reliable source of important news. Now they lead with how Britney Spears is starting her concert tour, and then 18 minutes into the half our, they mention a little blurb about bombing in Israel or something

    1. Re:JohnKatz article summed up in 1 line by ocbwilg · · Score: 2

      WTF is up with that. CNN Headline News used to be a somewhat reliable source of important news. Now they lead with how Britney Spears is starting her concert tour, and then 18 minutes into the half our, they mention a little blurb about bombing in Israel or something

      I don't watch CNN so much, but I do hit their web site a few times a day. What I've noticed lately (and I say this at the risk of being labelled as anti-semitic) is an overdose of news coverage about the violence in the Middle East. Sure, a bomb goes off and it's "headline news". That makes sense. But for several days in a row during the last week the "headline story" on the CNN website has been something like, "Bus drivers fear more bombings" or "Israelis live in fear." Well, no shit. But was there another bombing that day? No. Were there certainly more newsworthy articles to have as the headline story? Yes. But they all got bumped to a lesser position so that CNN can run a "headline story" about an Israeli bus driver who is afraid that his bus will be the next to blow up. That's not a "headline story". That's not even news. That's simply common sense.

  10. This article could use a link. by Chief_Wahoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    What a surprise. Katz says nothing particularly original .

  11. I have one question by cOdEgUru · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Couple of days back US warplanes dropped a bomb on a marriage party in Afghanistan killing over 50. And there hasnt been more than a couple of columns in the western media about the whole story. Is it because their lives are not important as the ones who perished on 9/11. If its confirmed that US fscked up by dropping the bomb, would the 40 men,women and children get any justice as well ?

    Also recently Salon had an article on US Military Contractors buying and selling under age girls in troubled areas in Europe (Bosnia etc.). Would any western news firm pick up this story and let the world know that the Army isnt full of people who would lay down their lives in the blink of an eye for freedom and against oppression ? In this post 9/11 world, I would suprised if that news story ever got out. MSNBC ran a story on this a few weeks back, but didnt touch on the Military Contractors aspect. And then we wonder why everyone hates US ?

    Being rich, being powerful, being able to garner the most media coverage seems to be the only way now to live.

    Around 1800 people lost their livelihood because of some assholes in Worldcom. Would CNN/MSNBC etc. care a fsck about those people. Nope, we linger upon the luxurious indulgences of the CEOS and CFOs, but doesnt care jackshit about the ordinary guy who got laidoff and now has to find a job to support his family.

    Companies screw each other and the public over and over everyday. I just heard a story of the root cause of all this being blamed on Clinton and Ben&Jerry. The reason being, Clinton and his Govt mandating that a CEOs base salary should never be over 1 million, but doesnt impose any ceiling on the amount of stock he could receive. Which leads to cooking the books and then laying of hundreds of people because the company cant survive.

    Its a shitty world out there folks. And its not getting better day by day.

    1. Re:I have one question by Stonehand · · Score: 4, Informative

      Put down the crack pipe.

      Regarding the Afghan wedding, there's been coverage at least on CBS, NBC, BBC, New York Times, CNN, and MSNBC, and undoubtably others but I don't have the time to monitor that many more news sources than I already do. MCI Worldcom has been a similarly large story, including pointless short interviews with just-laid-off ex-employees (Gee, they're frustrated. What the hell did the reporters expect?).

      And that "story" regarding Clinton is even more absurd, considering that the Fed. government doesn't have the power to cap base salaries.

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    2. Re:I have one question by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      Is it because their lives are not important as the ones who perished on 9/11. If its confirmed that US fscked up by dropping the bomb, would the 40 men,women and children get any justice as well ?

      As others have pointed out, there is definitely not a lack of coverage, but that said, the difference is that their lives were not intentionally targeted, whereas the WTC lives were.

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    3. Re:I have one question by (H)elix1 · · Score: 2

      Couple of days back US warplanes dropped a bomb on a marriage party in Afghanistan killing over 50. And there hasnt been more than a couple of columns in the western media about the whole story

      I beg to differ -- I've had the news networks running in the background all day as I work from home. All of the stations seem to be nothing more than detailed speculation on what happened...

      After spending a week in Paris, I wish I could get the non-us version of CNN however.

    4. Re:I have one question by RocketScientist · · Score: 2

      You could at least check the front page of CNN.COM before you dumped such a pathetic troll.

      Dateline is 01:50 p.m. EDT (1750 GMT) -- 2 July 2002, lead story headline is "Searching for Answers", lead sentence is "Afghan and American officials headed to an Afghan village today to begin an investigation into why U.S. planes mistakenly struck a wedding party, killing about 40 people and wounding about 100."

      You, my friend, are a dumbass. We're not all out to get you, you're just that paranoid.

    5. Re:I have one question by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      Is it because their lives are not important as the ones who perished on 9/11.

      Intrinsically, or to the average American? Everyone's life is equally important intrisically, but not everyone's death is equally newsworthy.

      The story is newsworthy, and has been covered quite extensively, but that's because the actions of our government greatly affect us as a nation. It has nothing to do with the relative importance of the lives of the victims.

    6. Re:I have one question by jafac · · Score: 2

      Hey, that's BS.

      CNN did a 10 minute story last week about Playboy's "Girls of Enron".

      (unfortunately, I'm not joking)

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    7. Re:I have one question by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

      I love how the other responders to your "shooting off the guns was dumb" remark- defending those people for firing the guns, for whatever reason. Yet if some group did that in the US, these very same responders would be ripping the US gun shooters a few new orifices, and would grin in pleasure if a US plane accidentally bombed them. (And don't gripe about it being illegal, I'm sure you can find at least one out of the way place where it is legal.)

      Well, at least they are consistent in hating the US!

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    8. Re:I have one question by fishbowl · · Score: 2

      I'm not "writing it off as a wartime neccessity".
      I'm merely tempering my surprise. I'm not at all surprised. And I still think you'd have to be an idiot to behave that way at this moment, considering the overall situation in that country.

      If you go shooting off guns where combatants can be spooked, you'd be a damned fool not to realize there could be severe consequences.

      Acting all shocked isn't going to help anyone but news publishers.

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    9. Re:I have one question by fishbowl · · Score: 2

      >Why should they expect this? What they were
      >doing is a traditional wedding salute in their
      >culture

      Of course they were. But the CURRENT SITUATION in their country demands greater care and discretion than they exhibited.

      A traditional 4th of July celebration in MY culture involves fireworks. But where I live (Arizona) fireworks are highly discouraged this year. I'd be a damned fool to go shooting fireworks. I'd expect to get arrested. I'd run the risk of being killed by vigilantes in some places!

      I don't see this as one bit different.

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    10. Re:I have one question by fishbowl · · Score: 2

      >defending those people for firing the guns, for
      >whatever reason

      Their rights and traditions don't trump common sense. I didn't see any of the replies before yours, because they were all below my threshold.

      >Yet if some group did that in the US

      More to the point, anybody civilian shooting an *automatic* weapon in the US, or even just HAVING one, is going to get a whole lot of the wrong kind of attention. You want to be shot on sight? Walk down a street in DC with an AK47.

      >And don't gripe about it being illegal, I'm sure
      >you can find at least one out of the way place
      >where it is legal.

      I know lots of places where it's legal to shoot provided your firearm itself is legal.

      We're not talking about .22's or 30-0-6's here,
      or even 12ga. shotguns. We're talking about infantry rifles with 7.62mm ammo. They aren't using blanks, even if there were blanks available, they'd cost more.

      If the USAF and the Marines and the UN are in your country fighting a conflict, you might want
      to keep your guns under control. That's the bottom line here.

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    11. Re:I have one question by SectoidRandom · · Score: 2

      First up in regards to the Afgan wedding bombing (side note; that's twice isnt it?), i dont know how much coverage it got in the states, i dont really care, if i want to read news about America and or the war in Afghanistan, the LAST place i would go is cnn.com or msnbc.com! You may as well be looking for news on Israel at islamicjihad.com! :)

      If you're upset about not seeing the real news, look around, the Internet makes this so much easier, goto bbc.co.uk, smh.com.au or anywhere else. Just dont rely on one company (often person, ie editor / owner) to get your news.

      And even more importantly if you want International news, DONT rely on one country's media. Case example, you want afgan war news, you wont get it from America.

  12. hype by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

    Why does a case like the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart get so much attention when others just as horrific get none at all?

    Let us not forget that news has exactly one purpose: to sell advertising.

  13. If only H.L. Mencken or A.J. Liebling were still around to weigh in on the kidnapping stories suffusing our media lately. Alas, they're not. They wouldn't even be able to find work these days.

    The real tragedy here is that we've got a pabulum-spouting geek who writes for a news source that can't even be bothered to spell-check headlines implying that H.L. Mencken or A.J. Liebling couldn't fill his shoes.

    That makes me sad.

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  14. After all that, you didn't even answer by Reckless+Visionary · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So Jon, your conclusion that everyone is too afraid to say why the Elisabeth Smart case is probably true. But it has nothing to do with media conglomerates, wealthy people, or race (which you correctly discarded). It has to do with sex. What you were afraid to say is that the pictures of this little girl were perfect to entice audiences in a sex crime story. Sex sells, especially sex with little girls. And especially when there's violence involved. This is America, and sure there is corporate greed involved, but its method of exploiting the story is being glossed over.

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    1. Re:After all that, you didn't even answer by Reckless+Visionary · · Score: 2

      Hmm, no wasn't suggesting that. I was suggesting that it is covered because sex sells, pedophillic sex, adult sex, whatever, it doesn't matter.

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  15. Ugh, somewhat off-topic by jonman_d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not to be off-topic - and let me stress that I'm not a Katz basher - but I got pretty much sick of this article right away. Why? Lets say I stopped reading right about here:

    "Even greedy capitalists like Bill Gates..."

    It seems that capitalism is wrong in america these days. Nobody is preaching socialism, but everybody is dissing capitalism. Yes, Bill Gates is a capitalist. But come to think of it, so am I. And so are almost all Americans. The real problem with Bill Gates is not that he's a capitalist, and not that he controls a monopoly (let me remind you that having a monopoly is not illegal), but that he illegaly uses his monopoly.

    Just because Bill Gates was successful doesn't make him an eeeeevil greedy capitalist. Mind you, he's given billions to charities.

    1. Re:Ugh, somewhat off-topic by handorf · · Score: 2

      I think that in this case he was using "Greedy" as an adjective on "Capitalist", rather than as one term: "Greedy Capitalist".

      BTW: You're right, success does not an evil greedy capitalist make. In capitalisim, Competition is sacrosanct. He's an evil, greedy capitalist for manipulating the market to quash competition.

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    2. Re:Ugh, somewhat off-topic by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 2
      Yes, Bill Gates is a capitalist. But come to think of it, so am I. And so are almost all Americans.
      Most Americans are capitalists? Having a garden in your back yard doesn't make you a farmer, and owning a few stocks doesn't make you a capitalist. Most Americans aren't capitalists, because they don't get most of their income from capital, they get it from labor.
    3. Re:Ugh, somewhat off-topic by jafac · · Score: 2

      Never mind Katz' insane ramblings - I'm not dissing Capitalism, but there IS a reason to dis greediness, or people who abuse the free system we all benefit from - for their personal gain, at others' expenses.

      True, legitimate capitalism, free market economics, are a great theory, they even seem to work pretty well in practice. But there's NEVER been a civilization that survived without some kind of rules, and enforcement of those rules.

      In the case of Enron, WorldCom, and others - those rules were broken. By people whom it is not unreasonable to assume are greedy. Now, define greedy as a word, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, its a GOOD thing to be greedy - to have a drive to want more. It's a BAD thing to let that drive supercede society's rules. It's a GOOD thing to love your God and be devoted to a moral code of your religion. It's a BAD thing to let that devotion supercede society's rules. (okay, that was my required comparison of the bad corporate executives with terrorists for today, thanks for reading).

      So it's not capitalism, per se, that I think people are upset with - and I think basically, greed isn't what people are upset with, though it's not a very admirable quality as much so as "drive" or "dedication". What people are upset about is the system's inadequate rules, and the environment that's created that allows people to abuse the system in these blatantly unfair ways.

      Now the staunchest capitalists will say "Whooey" about the word "unfair". Life isn't fair, has no place in defining policy, or guiding the market, or dictating whether it's the lion or the lamb who survives.
      On the other hand, if you let the lions get out of hand, they start to piss in their own beer.

      Hence, look at all the people who are out of work, no retirement funds, no insurance, no future. Look at the totally fucked up stock market, because nobody trusts these fiends anymore. Throw "fair" or "unfair" out the window. If the point of capitalism is to loosen things up to the point where free enterprise can take over and lift us all up economically - then capitalism has failed, because we're not simply suffering from some mythical business cycle. We're suffering from the ill effects of corruption and wrongdoing.

      Absolute freedom has not led to prosperity. It's led to economic despotism. And I daresay, it's likely going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. I'm starting to think that maybe the best investment to make for a secure future is in guns, ammunition, canned food, and bottled water.

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    4. Re:Ugh, somewhat off-topic by catsidhe · · Score: 2
      It seems that capitalism is wrong in america these days. Nobody is preaching socialism, but everybody is dissing capitalism. Yes, Bill Gates is a capitalist. But come to think of it, so am I. And so are almost all Americans.

      With all due respect, no, you're not.

      Unless you would prefer all roads to be toll roads to pay back the individual or company which built/bought them, to negitiate 'protection' with whoever decides to be^W^W^W has contracted being the local police force today, to be able to pay whatever your doctor demands to treat you, because hey, like you're going to argue?

      You pay your taxes to your government, and you expect at least some social services in return which are not subject to being bought. Like a police force. Like roads. (I'd give more examples, but most of them have already been sold. Health care in the USA, and basic utilities everywhere come to mind.)

      The system which most people think of when they think of Capitalism is not the original trading system (really just a description of why it is better to build a new factory than keep your money under your mattress), but a 'devil-take-the-hindmost' system of 'you have the right to screw me, but only if I have the right to screw you back' (which, BTW, people like Adam Smith despised in its pure uncontrolled form, and argued for more govenment controls and restrictions on trade and company business). The vision of everyone in the world screwing each other is one which should give pause.

      I had a lot more of a rant ready to go, but I decided to spare you all.

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  16. How does that prove or disprove his point? by David+Price · · Score: 2

    Katz claims that Smart's disappearance is being more heavily covered because wealthy professionals with kids, a coveted group for advertising purposes, are likely to be interested.

    I don't understand how, if Smart were found tomorrow, anything would change about the motivations of the media folk who covered her apparent kidnapping. It neither proves nor disproves anything about Katz's main point.

  17. To quote/paraphrase Stalin: by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2

    One death is a tragedy. One million is a statistic.

  18. What is the alternative? by Gorbie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While this article is very true, what else can we do? Do we give control of the news media to the government? Not in my lifetime, I hope. We criticize other governments, ie. Cuba and Afghanistan for filtering news and distributing the propaganda they want their citizens to hear. Do we want to be subject to this more than we already are?

    Do we make news organizations strictly non-profit groups? Would this work in the T.V. and radio markets? If the stations were making no money running news, would they bother, or just re-run Seinfeld episodes so we could hear about "nothing". Easier to do in the print and internet larket, but still not easy. Those entities need to make enough money to keep the presses running and the data lines live.

    In the end, news as a free market entity means that we can all get it. If it weren't for advertisers in a newspaper, the cover price would be quite significantly more than $.50 or so. It may be manipulated by corporate America to a certain extent, but it is also flowing with idealistic people that want to tell us something. Until we can come up with a cheap system that doesn't need sponsorship or government intervention, this might be the best system on the planet.

    1. Re:What is the alternative? by Stonehand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Teach logic, critical thinking and statistical reasoning in schools. Teach about traditional propaganda techniques and the ways that biased sources distort truth -- not only by outright lies or mere fudging, but by the selection or omission of information. In other words, lead them to rational, analytical modes of thinking rather than the mere absorbtion of emotionally manipulative tripe that gets served as "news" these days, especially on TV.

      Oh, and support media watchdogs like Spinsanity and their ilk -- groups that care about correctness, rather than transparently carrying out political vendettas.

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    2. Re:What is the alternative? by Gorbie · · Score: 2

      Yes...but unfortuantely we are dealing with a government controlled entity in the schools. They have an opportunity at an early age to influence the way we think.

      I am not really spouting conspiracy theory here. I agree that finding effective ways of teaching logic, critical thinking, and statistical reasoning are important. In the end, most people will be the sheep that they are and listen to the radio...watch the TV, etc., and be right where they are now.

      I don't propose to know what the exact right answer is. I kinda like the not for profit idea, but it would be sooooo difficult to execute!

    3. Re:What is the alternative? by Gorbie · · Score: 2

      I am not sure where you get these figures. I work in the printing industry, and most printers have a difficult time staying in business. Printing companies are in the top 5 for types of businesses that fail, and I believe they are number 2 behind restaurants.

      Of course they are in it for the profit, and they could sell less ad space, but why would they? That's like asking a car dealership to sell fewer cars. One thing the newspapers have done well is keep the newsstand price affordable, and that is a big part of the increase in ads over the last many years.

    4. Re:What is the alternative? by Quixadhal · · Score: 2

      It's called paying for content instead of fluff.

      I, personally, wouldn't mind paying $2 for a newspaper that contained ONLY information I have a reasonable chance of being interested in. But since I don't care about 80% of the "headline" topics, 60% of the "local" topics, or 100% of the annoying advertising... I don't buy a paper.

      Same goes for any other media... I listen to NPR, I flip channels (bite me Ted Turner!) and sigh when I realize that I'm paying $80/month for about 5 hours a week of stuff I care about.

      The entire media system needs to kick the advertisers where it hurts and make them realize that the current model is stupid. Charge me more money for only the content I buy... less research for you, less bandwidth usage by me, more revenue, less bitching about stupid sitcoms. Everyone is happy... except stupid ad exec who can't adapt to a changing universe (sound like another group we know?).

  19. Agreed by JMan1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's just ridiculous how much "news" time is devoted to following one story that really isn't remotely important on a national scale. Obviously any kidnapping/murder is a tragedy, but isn't there anything more significant to devote hours and hours of breathless reporting to? JonBenet Ramsey, Chandra Levy, whoever this little girl is -- these stories are not news, they're human interest.

    You could argue that 24 hours of several different networks is just too much time to fill with real news, but surely they could use it for more in-depth reporting on real issues. Maybe they could actually educate the public somewhat. Didn't that use to be their job? News should not be entertainment, except in the sense that learning stuff is entertaining.

    I'm not saying they shouldn't have a network or two just for little white girl stories if that's what people want to watch, but there should be SOMEBODY other than public radio/tv to provide actual news and important information.

    It's like radio stations - okay, have a few top 40s stations. But can't we have a couple that play quality music too? Other than public radio?

    I guess these are just ends that the free market goes to automatically, but it sure is depressing. There must be some way to correct the problem without introducing bigger ones.

    1. Re:Agreed by ocbwilg · · Score: 2

      It's just ridiculous how much "news" time is devoted to following one story that really isn't remotely important on a national scale. Obviously any kidnapping/murder is a tragedy, but isn't there anything more significant to devote hours and hours of breathless reporting to? JonBenet Ramsey, Chandra Levy, whoever this little girl is -- these stories are not news, they're human interest.

      If I had a local news station, I'd pepper the regular programming with commercials saying things like "Are you sick of hearing about Chandra Levy? We are too! Tune in to Channel 4 News at 11:00 PM, now 100% Chandra Free!"

      The funny thing is, I don't know anybody who doesn't complain about this kind of coverage. You'd think that a TV news station would catch on and realize that they could gain marketshare by not beating a dead horse (or intern) and advertising that fact. It really is sickening that 10 minutes of every national newscast has to be dedicated to a local interest story simply so that they can say "there's nothing new to report in this case today, so we're just going to keep re-hashing the same old shit we've been telling you for days."

    2. Re:Agreed by kallisti · · Score: 2

      The funny thing is, I don't know anybody who doesn't complain about this kind of coverage

      Yes, everybody bitches about it. You hear everywhere about how people are sick of all the attention given to [Bobbit, Ramsey, OJ, Levy, ...] In fact, its hard to avoid people talking about it sometimes.

      From a news point of view, this is a good thing. It means that people are thinking about their coverage and thus will be watching the show. Yes, they'll complain but how many people watched the OJ trial all the way through? Why did they do this, if it bothered them so much? I think people (myself included, here) just enjoy complaining.

  20. Nothing personal... by DaneelGiskard · · Score: 2

    ...but everytime I read through the description of a slashdot news story and do not get what the story is about, I can be sure that JonKatz was the author.

    No flaming intended and nothing personal, but just now I read through it, continued surfing and suddenly I thought "hell..what was that story on slashdot again?" That only happens with JonKatz stories...

    1. Re:Nothing personal... by alizard · · Score: 2
      Why do you think Katz was hired?

      Apparently I'm not the only one who's noticed the ignorance of the average technogeek whose expertise in the field of real life stops 1 inch from his computer or if he's very lucky, at the front door at his workplace.

      The average reader here doesn't understand that there are social issues having to do with the use of technology that affect him and everybody else and that he might be in a position to do something about that use or misuse.

      Apparently, the people running slashdot decided to do something about this ignorance.

      While any thread relating to any article that doesn't focus 100% on technology abundantly exposes the ignorance I referred to, I think the slashdot management deserve props for trying to let a small crack of light into the stygian darkness between the ears of many people here on any topic that isn't AMD vs Intel or OpenBSD v. Red Hat.

      While Katz is obviously wrong a fair amount of the time, his value is that he makes people think. As I see it, that's the real reason for the knee-jerk Katz bashing. Because no matter what most of us say about our interest in thinking about new and different things, even the average bright person doesn't really like to think outside his accustomed reality tunnel.

      Choice of gender in the above deliberate, most female g33ks from my observation aren't nearly as narrowly focused and don't need to be reminded that there's a world outside one's computer.

  21. CNN is to news as the WWF is to sports by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2
    I know it may be in bad form for me to post twice on the same topic, but as a separate thread it really must be emphasized that CNN has very little to do with the delivery of serious news. CNN has been turned in scandalvision, with hour-long exposees night after night rehashing the tiniest insignificant details of the sensational story du jour, while the "hard news" delivered between these programs consists primarily of either disaster photos or pictures of zoo animals.

    Greta van Sustren and Larry King are really just providing a televised version of the National Enquirerer.

  22. Noam Chomsky's Mass Media Critiques by chachi5000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyone interested in truely alternative modern mass media critiques should read Noam Chomsky's "Necessary Illusions: Thought Control In Democratic Societies" or "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media" (or watch the documentary by the same name by Mark Achbar and Peter Wintonick).

    A quote from the zmag chomsky archive website says "The authors identify the forces that they contend make the national media propagandistic -- the major three being the motivation for profit through ad revenue, the media's close links to and often ownership by corporations, and their acceptance of information from biased sources."

    Chomsky's writing don't touch on the processes that make one young girl's kidnapping more

  23. Quick summary for those who didn't read by bryan1945 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) Mainstream media is all about the making money.
    2) Mainstream America has an attention span of 20 seconds.
    3) A vacuum of media critics.

    I pretty much agree with the above, though recently you see the right and left sides of the media attacking/criticising each other. Limbaugh and Fox News vs. CNN and the Networks ("Let's get ready to ruuuuuummmmmmble!"), but this is even probably more suited for marketing rather than fair criticism. The fairest critic I've found, even though he is a conservative, is Sean Hannity. Obviously there are others that I just don't know about.

    I think that the first two points really emphasize why web news is popular. For anything in depth you have to go someplace, while maybe biased, that at least doesn't leave out large chunks of the story and the background of the story. This depth is not sexy (ad friendly) nor quick to read and understand (shiny toy).

    I can't stand TV news anymore; "3 dead in sex farm explosion", "look at all the pretty people", sports, weather, "feel good story about Foo-Foo the super bunny". Newspapers aren't much better. There are more stories and they are longer, but some of them read like a 14 year old wrote it.

    For once Katz is pretty well on target, but could use some word chopping. More is not always neccesarily better.

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  24. all out of proportion by rakerman · · Score: 2

    The problem is not that the media picks one kidnapping over another. It's that it reports on kidnapping AT ALL. Many people tend to measure their threats by how much media coverage they get, which is why many people have a ridiculously distorted perception of the risks they face in the world.

  25. Hey Jon by Wah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If there are some good independent media outlets out there, the ones that don't get much press, why don't you write a story about them? It's nice and easy to point out the fact that multi-national exist to make the most money possible and the effects of that ethos of media coverage are deplorable. That much is obvious. But give us a hint on where to focus our attention to alleviate the problem. Tell us what is being done to combat the problem, because there are people out there fighting it. Find 'em and point 'em out. The rest of use have real work to do.

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  26. Moral Media didn't die by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moral media isn't dead. You just have to look harder for it.

    Now that the Sept 11th jingoism has died down and it's starting to be a non-terminal offence to express discontent versus the powers that be, you're starting to see the creepings of independent thought show up even in CNN. Up here in Canada, CTV's been doing it for a while. But even then there's a huge under-reporting of stories that would knock the comfort zone of the average person.

    The basic problem is this -- any media outlet is a slave to the mandate of its publisher. This isn't really new, it's as old as newspapers themselves (it used to be that if you wanted to be a politician it was a shrewd move to found your own newspaper). So, if you've got nothing but biased media out there, the only way to really inform yourself is to (a) check up on all the biases and try to develop your own conclusions from them, and (b) realize that there's no substitute for actually being at the scene of the event, or at the very least talking to someone who is.

    People who critique the media as having a bias often make the mistake of trying to sound like it's forced upon them, when really, you can choose to go out and find different information from a different source. Some options include:

    ZNet

    The Guardian

    The Independent

    Le Monde Diplomatique (English version here)

    Tom Tommorow

    It also helps in times of conflict to go to the media outlets or websites of your political enemies to see what they're saying. It's amazing how they often take as gospel a premise that is completely different from your own. It's also amazing how often the exact same coercive techniques are used by both sides. Makes you wonder if there are average citizens over there are pissed off at their media as much as some of us are at ours.

    By the way, I know I went off on a bit of a tangent, but if you click on any of the links above you'll see minimal coverage of the Elizabeth Smart case. There might be a story in there at some point to tell everyone how it all turns out, but nothing like the usual CNN sensationalism. The point is, if you don't like your media, don't go back to it -- go elsewhere. It's not like we have battered wife syndrome or something.

    (or maybe we do???)

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  27. Pot calling the kettle black? by red5 · · Score: 2

    If healthy media criticism still existed, someone might have pointed out the insane hype that shrouded tragedies like the death of Princess Di and TWA Flight 800.

    Notably absent from your list is Columbine and 911.
    Oh wait those are the ones you use. It all makes sense now.

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    1. Re:Pot calling the kettle black? by red5 · · Score: 2

      I'm talking more about how every story of his has to some how mention in this "post 911 world".

      Yah in this post 911 world people blow shit way out of proportion and try to compare everything to 911.

      Guess what 911 happened it over. Now can we stop relating every movie, video game, and cd that comes out to 911?

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  28. Let me explain this to you by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

    There is a logical explanation for this, and it doesn't require racism, conspiracies or any other nonsense. First of all, "News" is about reporting things that are "new".

    Child disappearances are rare, but not totally unknown. The difference between Alexis Patterson and Elizabeth Smart is that Alexis is a straight disappearance. There's nothing unusual about that beyond a child disappearing.

    Elizabeth Smart, on the other hand, was taken AT GUNPOINT FROM HER HOME with her sister witnessing the act. How often does that happen? Almost never.

    John, as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Everything doesn't have to have a sinister reason behind it.

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  29. Funny... by DaneelGiskard · · Score: 2

    More than 130 comments and none of them higher than threshold 2...that's why I love those JonKatz stories ;-)))

  30. What i dont understand by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

    is why does repeating the same damn story over and over again make anybody money?

    During the chandra levy spectacle i would have to switch the channel every time the news mentioned chandra because i had already heard every thing they had to say ten times and did not want to hear it again. Same thing with oj simpson and monice lewinsky.

    I can imagine that many other people are like me.

    So why does repeating those things ad naseum make media companie smoney?

  31. Missing something by washirv · · Score: 3, Informative

    Specifically in the case of Elizabeth Smart, this article is missing something. It's called the LDS church. Besides being among the richest (probably the richest?) churches in the world, it is easily the most media savvy, and the most committed to its members. It also has many many connections to opinion makers. Personally, I am not surprised at all that the Smart case is getting so much coverage.

    1. Re:Missing something by SplendidIsolatn · · Score: 2

      It's called the LDS church. Besides being among the richest (probably the richest?) churches in the world, it is easily the most media savvy, and the most committed to its members

      Couldn't agree with your post more, but just as an addendum, and for the life of me I can't find this chart online, the Church of LDS is second in overall monetary value of organized religious institutions(The Catholic Church w/ a value near 4 trillion, LDS just under 1 trillion in worth.)

      But more than that, and this was my suspicion all along while reading the Katz piece and follow up comments, is that Alexis Patterson doesn't look, how shall we say...'media friendly?' (i.e., she's Black).

      While a missing child is a missing child, White, Black, or Green, I have a strong suspicion that somewhere in the national media's line of thinking the following exchange took place:

      "Elizabeth Smart--White girl with blonde hair...a lot of people will see this as an abhorent tragedy versus Alexis Patterson...yep, another Black girl is missing, so what else is new."

      It's tragic that people think that way, but unfortunately, it is the way thigns are. I only hope both are found.

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  32. Katz has it precisely right by Catbeller · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's hard to add to the pile, but here goes:

    About 4 years ago, during the height of the Clinton hate pander, a 12 year old kid called the on-air host of an MS-NBC program. I was watching: it was about a minute before 1 PM. The kid got through the call screeners somehow.

    The kid asked why the immense coverage of so inconsequentual an act as Clinton-Lewinski, when so many more imporant things were happening -- especially the 24/7 coverage of the MonicaStain-NBC network.

    The host, John Gibson, who is on FoxNews now (of course), looked the camera straight in the eye, and said:

    Kid? (disbelieving shake of head) You're watching this show right now, aren't you? We put on the air what you want to watch. If you didn't watch, we wouldn't show it. We have to make a profit. We have to make money, and this makes money. We have to go to the news now.

    (exit, with kid trying to respond as he was drowned out by Gibson).

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    I knew news was dead in the U.S. when I heard that said so blatantly on the air.

    I respect the old guard at CBS news. They still hold the line on credibility. The others have become, as Katz said, magazines to sell stuff to rich people. And to impress their neoconservative bosses, the news journalists are censoring themselves every day. It's the only way to get promotions, and money.

    News, as a profession, used to be low-paying work, with the ownership separate from the editors. Now the head of GE wanders into the NBC election coverage headquarters on election night to make his wishes known. Journalists are being canned for criticizing the president, and need I remind you all that criticizing the President was a 24/7 religion 3-10 years ago?

    As for the kidnapping cases, you bet. Here in Chicago, kids are kidnapped every month on the south side. News will not cover that, not the innumerable shootings, stabbings, and rapes that occur. But a single beautiful white teenage girl from the suburbs, if SHE'S hurt, there is endless concern. It's so obvious.

    1. Re:Katz has it precisely right by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Why, precisely, is this flamebait? It was perfectly on topic.

      Saying something that makes people angry is not trolling for flames. The fault lies not in the poster, but in the flamers.

      I liked the first moderation: +3, Insightful.

  33. Boy, can I relate... by GregAllen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My 5-year-old daughter was abducted by my ex-wife over 2 months ago. I have sole custody, and my ex has some pretty serious mental health problems. Sabrina is in a dangerous situation.

    The media is not very interested because she's with her mother. That's not sensational enough. Obviously they don't know the history.

    Please mod me up, and please visit my website: FindSabrina.org

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  34. The difference between Smart and Patterson by jht · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The girl in Milwaukee vanished while out of the house. Sadly, that happens all the time. A story in the same vein was the Molly Bish story two years ago - a teenager was snatched right after being dropped off for her summer job as a lifeguard outside of Boston. it got big play in New England, nowhere near as much nationally.

    The Smart story strikes a vein that makes it especially newsworthy. She was taken from her house in the middle of the night. To have someone stolen in your own home like that strikes a nerve in virtually everyone.

    Whenever I hear a "vanished child" story, regardless of the details it bugs me. But my wife and I just had our first child a little while ago (ask gorbie, he's seen the pics). The Smart story is the kind of thing that creates a primal fear in every parent. The home is supposed to be the one place that's secure. When it's not, that, sadly, makes it more newsworthy. I don't relate to what happened to Alexis Patterson the way I relate to Elizabeth Smart. It's not because Alexis is black, or because she's from an inner city. It's because I have a home, and I have a child. And one of the biggest fears I can imagine is waking up in the middle of the night to find your child missing and a window open.

    To get much scarier than that, you'd need to be living a Steven King novel.

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    1. Re:The difference between Smart and Patterson by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "Another factor to consider is that, if memory serves, they had a suspect that they knew fled the state. They needed to raise awareness so that people outside the state knew to keep an eye open for this dude."

      I'm sure this happens all the time, though.

      Jon Benet Ramsey immediately pops into mind. The girl was dead. They had her body. At that point, they didn't even know who to point the finger to. Heck, they still don't. Yet that girl's face was plastered all over the screen daily for a looooooooong time. That was a case where public insight had little to no value.

      She was just a cute little girl with a memorable face, and everybody's heart went out to her. That actually got more media attention than Elian Gonzales did. In that case, the future of a 6 year old boy was at stake.

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  35. sex sells by jhines · · Score: 2

    a cute girl on the cover or ads sells more magazines or newspapers, or tv shows.

    sex and celebrity are what tabloids thrive on, and the rest of journalism is fighting a losing battle to hold it's head up about the muck.

  36. Astounding by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    Astounding that posting about a group concerned with civil liberties is now possibly "radical".

  37. Jon, lets review... by Real+World+Stuff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know that you are trying to offer a bit of insight, but please create original work or give writing creit where due. A simple search returns an interesting link. I believe this was originally done by John Stossel and his orignal title can be found here.

    From the site""Pandering to Fear: The Media's Crisis Mentality" Every day newspapers and television warns us of new, unsuspected dangers in our complex modern world--from Alar and asbestos to cyclamates to the Audi 5000 and the Suzuki Samurai. With the world apparently getting more dangerous all the time, we have to wonder how life expectancy keeps on growing. ABC's John Stossel will discuss what the real risks in modern life are, why the media seem to hype unrealistic fears, and why readers and viewers fall for it. "

    Thank you for your time. I appreciate the effort, but I appreciate and value the efforts of the original authors even more. Lest we forget Doris Kearns Goodwin and her misdeeds.

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  38. Yellow Journalism by caesar-auf-nihil · · Score: 2

    The media has always been market driven. Take a look at the late 19th century, when sensationalist stories (often outright lies) were used to sell papers to the public. It was called "Yellow Journalism" since it began to happen at the same time the first comic strip "The Yellow Kid" came out in the papers. It's often been said that the "Yellow Journalism" stories probably started the Spanish-American war of 1898, or at least they were a factor leading up to it. Competition in the media was strong then, and the media went to any length it could to get it's "Exclusive side of the story" to sell more papers and run the other paper out of business.

    I don't think anything has really changed. I suppose if we could dig into it, we'd probably find the media has always chosen to report what sells more papers or what titilates/scandalizes the public. Occasionally you find the truth in the papers, but often a great deal of important information is left out because the subject matter is so dry that even lies won't improve the story. So I'm not surprised that this is still going on, and I suspect it will continue to do so. The nice thing about today is that there are now so many alternate news sources so that one has the freedom to gather all the information and make their own educated guess on what is really important and what is just superficial fluff designed to sell papers.

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  39. Media is targetted that people who are NOT rich. by shess · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you honestly think that what you see on mass media is targetted at rich people, then you obviously know different wealthy people than I do. Mass media is targetted at people who wish they were wealthy. Time isn't printing articles about buffing up your summer cottage because millions of readers have summer cottages - they do it because millions of readers want summer cottages.

  40. Elizabeth Smart missing is a tragedy because...? by Flakeloaf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yup, because she's a cute little blonde-haired white girl whose parents have footage of her up on stage doing something cute a la Jon Benet Ramsay (q.v.)

    If, on the other hand, Smart were a homely little black girl with crooked teeth and a left eye that just kinda pointed out into space, a band of wandering perverts could abduct, violate and dismember her, and get only a small fine for littering when they disposed of the corpse.

    Kids go missing every day. The cute ones get press.

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  41. Yeah right Jon by TheGreenLantern · · Score: 2

    Go ask 1000 people who Al Capone is, then ask the same group who Kevin Mitnick is. For that matter, go ask 1000 people who Elizabeth Smart is, then Kevin Mitnick. The results won't even be close.

    The point that some "stories" get more coverage than they deserve is well taken, but shamelessly trying to tie in a tech angle to this is just stupid.

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  42. Milwaukee vs Salt Lake City? by gosand · · Score: 3, Interesting
    First off, a big DUH to JK for another (sarcasm) insightful (/sarcasm) article. But what exactly does this mean:

    Profoundly pragmatic and opportunistic, they'd be happy to exploit blacks as well as whites, if the demographics worked. They don't cover Alexis Patterson's abduction because poor viewers in Milwaukee or elsewhere have nothing to do with ratings, ad revenue or profit margins. Blonde kids from wealthy families in Salt Lake City do.

    A quick search shows populations of these areas:
    Milwaukee, WI (city)
    Population (1990): 628088
    Per Capita Income (1995): $25,906

    Salt Lake City, UT (city)
    Population (1990): 159936
    Per Capita Income (1996): $19,995

    So what exactly is the point of comparing crimes in these cities? Milwaukee is poorer than Salt Lake City? Hmm. Demographics? Money? Race? What exactly is Jon saying here? Sadly, nobody (including him) knows. I found the above information in about 10 minutes on the net, I am sure a "professional" journalist could come up with some better facts to back up his opinion. What was that opinion again?

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    1. Re:Milwaukee vs Salt Lake City? by Washizu · · Score: 2

      His point is that nationwide more white wealthy families with money to spend identify with the Smarts more than they do with the Pattersons. The concern for Alexis Patterson is only centered in Milwaukee because she is black, and people outside the Milwaukee area wouldn't care about her. (I believe this is what Katz is trying to say)

      Personally, I think the story of Elizabeth Smart's disappearence has at least something to do with the publicity it has received. Not many kidnappings occur with a definite witness (the sister) and in the home while the entire family is there.

      I agree with John Katz that media is made up of shallow whores with more bias in their story selection than their actual content.

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    2. Re:Milwaukee vs Salt Lake City? by gosand · · Score: 2
      The concern for Alexis Patterson is only centered in Milwaukee because she is black, and people outside the Milwaukee area wouldn't care about her. (I believe this is what Katz is trying to say)

      Nope. To quote his article:
      "Such companies don't decide not to cover Alexis Patterson because she's poor and black."

      Nice double-negative, huh? He isn't saying a damn thing, he is just pointing out the obvious facts, and obfuscating them a little with his usual buzzy jargon.

      I agree with John Katz that media is made up of shallow whores with more bias in their story selection than their actual content.

      And the hilarious ironic part is that Katz is part of it all (save the "actual content")

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  43. Wrong Market by Wesley+Everest · · Score: 2
    Yeah, they're market driven, but you got the market wrong... The media market is selling eyeballs to advertisers. Delivering as many eyeballs as possible to their customers is very important, but also there is the fact that "the customer is always right". Ultimately, they are trying to please their corporate advertisers. And of course, one of the other raw materials is information from government officials -- piss them off and you have to find another source for information. So, given that you cur your investigative staff to save money, and you can't run stories that will piss off your sources or your customers, what do you do? You run flashy, sexy, crap. You get your eyeballs, your customers are happy, and you make lots of money.

    And that's what it's all about...

  44. Re:There is no "liberal bias", just plain ol' bias by elmegil · · Score: 2
    FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting), an organization who probably does deserve the liberal label, published an interesting magazine/flyer a few years back documenting the true lack of a liberal bias in the media.

    Taking the only example I can recall offhand, NPR (commonly referred to the reactionaries as National Pinko Radio) regularly cites the American Enterprise Institute and the Cato Institute, as well as interviewing the thinkers who fill their tanks. Last time I checked, the points of view expressed by these two orgs (Cato in particular) is much more liberTARIAN than liberal, and as such are closer to Republican/conservative points of view. On the other side, NPR is not typically citing Pacifica-style truly liberal anti-corporate points of view. They may be left of Newt Gingrich, but given the entire spectrum of politics, they are much more centrist than liberal in their bias.

    The same goes for most other media outlets. If they were truly pursuing a leftist liberal agenda, they'd be biting the hands that feed them, and they know better.

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  45. Mencken's hardly a paragon of non-bias... by gdyas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jon has his head completely up his keester if he thinks Mencken was somehow a non-biased, non-sensationalistic journalist. Quite the opposite; it was his stances and deft, witty articulation of them based on fact as well as innuendo that made him a great journalist. Hell, it was the age of yellow journalism. Mencken, Winchell et al were always looking for any story that could make the most people plunk down a nickel and pick up a paper.

    Take the Scopes trial alone. Mencken, goes down to the south and turns a stupid little rigged case into a media feeding frenzy, makes it a battle between the theory of evolution and the forces of ignorance, when it was really nothing much to get jazzed about. Like the Smart kidnapping business the story was in the telling, not the facts themselves.

    Thus it has always been, thus it always shall be, and thank God for it. The news needs readers to survive and to get readers, like it or not, you have to entertain them in one way or another.

    It's an old saw, but if you don't like what's out there, don't watch. Turn off CNN & pick up the papers of your choice, which have overall had relatively little Smart coverage. If CNN lost even just 10% of its audience during times it was covering this thing it'd drop it like a bad habit -- it's the fact that the opposite occurs that keeps it on the air and that's our fault, not CNN's. It's your eyes that create the market, and advertisers are paying because YOU are watching & reading. That, Jon, is a good thing, not a bad thing, because it makes the responsibility for what's on the air ours, not AOL/Time Warner's. Stop paying attention to the crap and it'll die.

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  46. Another Kidnapping Story by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I realize that this is quasi-off-topic, but there's a local case that hasn't gotten much national press lately, and they could use some help. Two teenage girls disappeared from their Oregon City, OR area apartment complex earlier this year and haven't been found since. The FBI is investigating this as an abduction. If you have any information on Miranda Gaddis (FBI Site) or Ashley Pond (FBI site), please contact the FBI immediately. If you have seen either of them outside the United States, please contact the US Embassy in your country. There is a reward of $50k+ for information leading to the recovery of these girls.

    Just to make it on-topic: there was a flurry of media attention paid to these two girls back in May, but it seems to have died out in the wake of the Smart case. Perhaps no new clues means no new press attention.

  47. Beofre you trash Jon Katz..... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2

    Try to understand (what I believe) he is trying to say. The news media is NOT about news any more, it's entertainment. Have you seen the movie Network? THIS is where the news media is going. Though it's not as extreme as that movie (yet?) it is driven by revenue and revenue is driven by entertainment value. Even CNN has had a facelift in the past few weeks...just look at the "New" Connie Chung show!

    Personally, I see it this way...if a company wants to provide entertainment, that's fine....just don't (attempt to) pass it off as hard news. I believe that the big news orginizations do just that....pass off fluff as news, then whine when someone calls them on it. After all, they have "tradition"...RIGHT?

    I used to work for a TV station and something that a friend who worked in an ENG (mobile news) van said is most approriate here: "You're only as good as your last live shot". In other words:
    SCREW TRADITION....you should be judged on what you're putting out now..as opposed to the good stuff you did then....

    Also...consider this: If the public didn't tune in to this crap, they wouldn't be broadcasting it.

  48. Return of the Katz - the silence is broken by iiii · · Score: 2, Insightful
    For the first two weeks I didn't really notice, then it occurred to me that I had not been annoyed by a Katz article in a while, then I started enjoying the peace and quiet. Then I thought of submitting an article speculating about the termination of his employment, but no, that would surely jinx it. I just enjoyed and wondered what had become of him.

    Well our soothing reprieve is over. Katz was silent from Jun 04, '02 12:15 PM to Jul 02, '02 01:15 PM. Nearly a month. Anyone care to hypothesize what he may have been doing during that time?

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  49. Re:So what's your point? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    "The potential problem here is that whoever is involved in the kidnapping cannot possibly get a fair trial."

    Hmmm Interesting point. The problem with what you're saying is that people are justifiably concerned. He was acquitted, not found innocent. IIRC, they couldn't prove or disprove he did it. In which case, the public has a right to know what the details are.

    What if he remarries? At least now, the new wife would know about the accusations made about him. If it had gone quietly like you suggest, he could hide it from her. That'd be bad news if she ended up dead.

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  50. Not a salary cap, a deduction cap by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He didn't cap salaries per se, he just capped the amount of money corporations could deduct. The way it used to be, when you'd pay your CEO 10 million dollars, you could deduct that 10 million from your profits to lower your tax liability. This was done because paying a CEO is a legitimate business expense, he's essentially an outside party (NOT an Employee) that is providing leadership for the corporation. It would be the same as if you paid a consultant to be your CIO, you'd pay him X dollars and deduct that because it would be a business expense.
    So once the salary deductions for CEOs were capped at 1 million dollars, corporations would lose exorbitant amounts of money if they paid the CEO over that amount. They'd be taxed on money they had already spent (kinda like taxing someone on the money they spend on their mortgage, or taxing a farmer on money he spends on fertilizer). So instead, they began giving CEOs stock options. Those could still be deducted. The problem is, the only way the stock has monetary value is if the CEO sells it, and he/she only makes money if it sells at a high price. So they begin fiddling with the books to drive stock prices up so they can actually make some money (nevermind the fact that capital gains taxes would still rip them a new one, but I digress). If CEOs were still paid in cash, there would be less incentive for them to 'cook the books'. And if they hadn't seen the President of the United States get convicted of a felony, disbarred, and then come out of it making millions off of speech deals, with a 12 million dollar book advance, and a 200 million dollar slush fund for his library... Well maybe they wouldn't think they could get away with it to.

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  51. A Few words... by ronfar · · Score: 2
    Has anyone heard the phrase "I took the Lindbergh baby?"

    This phrase was immortalized on The Simpson's, among other places (Grandpa saying, "I am the Lindbergh baby" to distract the Feds.) Why is this phrase famous? Because the media of the time was saturated with the Lindbergh kidnapping.

    So.... when was H. L. Menkin writing agian?

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  52. Nothing new by inKubus · · Score: 2

    Just remember, it's a business. Take it for what it's worth. It's ALL a business. EVERYTHING.

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  53. on the front page by BlueboyX · · Score: 2

    Dude, it was on the front page of the cnn website. What more do you want? Billboards?

    I agree that the media has problems, but keep your arguments sane.

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  54. jon katz? by techstar25 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So many people are just ripping into him because he's Jon Katz, that they are missing the point. You are here, reading slashdot because of the media issues he points out. By reading slashdot you are already agreeing with him. Why arent you reading CNN.com right now? Because if it's not on slashdot, then we don't need to know. If Jon Katz can be accused of anything, it's that he's preaching to the choir. It's a nice article nonetheless. He raises some great points that have been bothering me lately. Poor little rich girl . . .

  55. 10 missing or abducted children in the last month. by whoppers · · Score: 2, Informative

    This should help drive the point home, 10 children in the last month are missing or have been abducted in the last month per The National Center for Missing or Exploited Children. http://www.ncmec.org/ 44 total are missing, including the runaways. I've only heard of the kid from Milwaukee and Salt Lake City, and nothing about the 5+ in my state that are listed.

  56. According to The Daily Show with Jon Stewart by RainbowSix · · Score: 2

    It's because the familys surrounding the kidnapping are always "whities" :)

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  57. The mainstream media is powerless by rolofft · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's no excuse for being bamboozled by the mainstream media in 2002. Who cares if CNN focuses on sensationalistic stories? There are a million other choices to get your news from. If you don't like media companies with corporate sponsors, read independent news websites instead. If you like boring news that doesn't cater to the clamjamfry, listen to NPR.

    Reason Magazine has a good editorial on media mergers:
    http://reason.com/0004/ed.ng.mergers.sht ml

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  58. Unless of course, by gruntvald · · Score: 2

    you want to hear what someone like, say, Gerry Adams has to say. And then the Govt. censorship kicks in just nicely. Thanks, but I'll take Fox News over the BBC any day!

  59. Why Elizabeth Smart has more media attention. by BWJones · · Score: 2

    I had not heard of the girl being abducted from Milwaukee, and had my wife and I not travelled to Portland Oregon several weeks ago, we probably would not have heard of the TWO neighbor girls that had been abducted there a couple of weeks prior.

    The fact is that we have lots of children go missing in this country without the media attention that Elizabeth Smart is getting. However, those children are typically born into families with nowhere near the resources that the Smart family has.

    There are a number of reasons why Elizabeth Smart is capturing the media attention, not the least of which are the family connections. The Smart family has married into other quite wealthy families here, including families with prominent state and national politicians. Additionally, there is quite a bit of money associated with the family and they also have media connections as well with one of the uncles working for an NBC affiliate here. Additionally, they belong to a powerful and quite wealthy religion and to many, this family is the prototypical successful Mormon family which generates more emotional support. And finally, Elizabeth herself appears from the media coverage to be a talented, young girl with more than the average potential.

    Other than the early apparent screw ups in the investigation of the Elizabeth Smart case (with neighbors tramping through the house immediately after the kidnapping), I have been shocked at the resources that have been called into this case. The family has retained the services of a media consultant, gathered huge local support with thousands of people canvasing the Salt Lake valley, the FBI was involved VERY quickly, and the media has apparently been quite effectively used.

    All of that said, were it my child that was missing, I would be doing everything within my power to find them including implementing what the Smart family has done had I all of the resources available to me. I pray that this is resolved quickly and comes to a happy ending, but I also wish that these sorts of resources were available to the thousands of other children who are abducted in this country which might bring more criminals who perpetrate these crimes to justice.

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  60. Sad, but true. by pmz · · Score: 2

    media are market-driven, not substance-or-content driven

    This is very evident in the evolution of news media over the years. TV news brodcasts, such as local news and now even CNN Headline News, are little more than a glorified cross between Cops and Entertainment Tonight. Local newspapers often run poor national news and sorely biased local news dotting the pages amid huge advertisements and coupon sections. Now, I watch almost nothing on TV, I've stopped reading the newspaper, and I'm finding that public TV, public radio, and the WWW are the last refuges of worthwhile content.

  61. It's all about the marketing by loosenut · · Score: 2

    Can't you see what's going on here? Did you see the commericals for Applied Digital Solutions' VeriChips, the implantable chip (which could eventually be used for tracking kidnap victims) immediately following the news story on CNN about Elizabeth Smart?*

    Obviously, the kidnapping is a conspiracy orchastrated by the news agencies themselves to boost public approval and acceptance of implants. Which will only lead to a global police state run by Satan himself.*

    *not really

  62. Wasn't there another difference? by swillden · · Score: 2

    I have to admit that I haven't followed either case closely at all, but my impression was that the main factor driving all of the publicity around the Elizabeth Smart case was the way in which she was taken.

    People expect kidnappings to happen in the "bad" part of town; people expect them to happen when kids are out in public, walking down the street, at the house of a "friend" not known by the parents, etc.; people expect them to happen when no one else is around to see. People *don't* expect children to be taken at gunpoint from an upscale suburban home when parents and siblings are home and a sister is present.

    My impression was that the Smart kidnapping hit home because all of the things people normally do to keep their kids safe ("don't talk to strangers", "don't be alone", "stay away from that part of town", "stay away from deserted streets", etc.) can't do anything about this kind of kidnapping.

    People who thought they were relatively safe from this sort of tragedy suddenly found out that they aren't, that it can happen to them. Of course, there is a huge portion of the population who live in circumstances in which they and everyone else knows it can and is likely to happen to them. That is very sad but it isn't *news*. The news is that it has happened in an unexpected place and manner.

    IMO, the heavy coverage was sparked by the unusual circumstances, not the race or social status of the victim (a few years ago a white, affluent girl was kidnapped in my town while walking home from school; it received only local attention). The heavy coverage in turn caused the national outpouring of sympathy and grief.

    Unfortunately, that wouldn't make a good Katz story.

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  63. Biased Media is nothing new. by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 2
    What is described here is nothing new. In fact, the most famous incident was the manufactured Spanish-American war by the media over a hundred years ago.

    The best story from which is a short dialogue between William Randolph Hearst and his hired illustrator/Cuban correspondent, Frederick Remington. Upon his arrival in Cuba in January of 1897, Remington noticed that none of massive reported battles were actually happening. He cabled to Hearst: "Everything is quiet. There is no trouble. There will be no war. I wish to return." Supposedly, although he denied it afterwards, he quickly wired back: "Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war."

    How is this different from the media of today?

  64. Re:So what's your point? by BionicElf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In this country, you ARE innocent until proven guilty. Once acquitted, as far as the public and government are concerned, you're innocent.

  65. And this is news? by Badgerman · · Score: 2

    This isn't news. We've known this. We've known this for quite awhile. It's not new.

    News is a business. Your choice is pretty much either try for "objectivity" via government control or leave it to something vaguely resembling free enterprise.

    And we get all the attendant advantages and problems. And we've known this for quite awhile. I became graphically aware of it during the OJ mess.

    Of course, it's good to talk about it. It's become a problem. It's gotten worse.

    However, after you talk you SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Don't whine, don't be a victim, don't expect someone else to solve it for you, DO something.

    We can do something. We can use alternate outlets. We can make people aware. We can protest. We can write in (if you write something controversial it MAY get published since these guys do like sensationalism).

    Yes, life can suck. Now stop being a victim and do something about it.

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  66. We're to blame, not the media.... by Cheap+Imitation · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's easy to blame the media... because they're greedy folks just like people in every other money-making venture out there. Profits are their main goal. No one does it for the love anymore.

    But it's not their fault.

    It's our fault. They're in the business to make money. They do that by selling advertising. And the prices they get for selling advertising are determined by how many people are watching.

    If we didn't watch, they wouldn't feed us this garbage. All they're doing is feeding us what we want. They're giving us loads and loads of the stuff we wanna see. We apparently LIKE to watch about sex scandals, missing wealthy attractive children, and celebrity deaths. Because they boost the ratings. And ratings mean money for the news sources.

    If we want to change the media, it has to start with US. Don't like it? Don't WATCH it. Turn it off. If enough people do it, the ratings will suffer. The media will adapt, and feed us what we DO watch. Only when we reward responsible journalism, by watching it, will we get more of it.

  67. Compare Mitnich's coverage to Al Capone?! by gosand · · Score: 2
    Kevin Mitnick got as much media coverage in our time as Al Capone, even though he never killed anybody.

    Capone was arrested in 1929, and died in 1947. Hardly "our time". Or did you mean that the media coverage for Capone was less than that of Mitnick? That would be an even bigger stretch. Ask 10 people on the street who Al Capone is, and then ask them who Kevin Mitnick is. We all know how that would turn out. I am guessing you might get one person who has heard of Mitnick.

    I could go on and on pointing out how stupid of a comparison this is, but there is no point in it - anyone with half a brain doesn't take anything Katz says seriously anyway.

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  68. Re:Your article misses the point by Mr.Intel · · Score: 2
    The State of Utah activated their "Amber Alert" system (here's some information about that: Amber Alert).

    Actually it was the Rachael Alert. It is the Utah version of the Amber alert and was named after Rachael Runyan. As for hiring the PR firm, they could have saved their money, local coverage of their "Press Conferences" shows that they suck hard. I know, I work for one of the TV stations and get to see the live feeds that don't make it to air. What really made the difference is their connections to the U.S. Congress. Something conveniently forgotten by the national newsies.

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  69. Reduce Barriers to Entry - Increase Competition by JohnDenver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just one of the Problems

    One of the current problems with the media that it's turned into one big oligopoly and it's sleeping with the FCC so it can retain its status.

    All media companies need a conduit to deliver thier content to viewers/users, whether it's the airwaves (TV/Radio), Cable, and now Internet (via Telephone for most users).

    The FCC controls ALL of these conduits (With the exception of some private networks).

    One Solution

    1. Regulate/deregulate the FCC's control so that the costs of running a TV channel, radio station is virtually nothing, thus introducing competition.

    2. Regulate/deregulate the Baby Bell's exclusive control over the telephone infrastructure to facilitate the deployment of broadband technologies. Maybe seperate service from infrastructure.

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  70. Re:Chomsky favors fascism by PatientZero · · Score: 2
    It's troll-feeding time at the zoo, I guess.

    Clearly you haven't read any of Chomsky's work, as your comments are the complete reverse of reality. Chomsky has never advocated government control of the media; in fact, he argues that that is effectively what we have and would love to see it ended. He's never spoken in favor of censorship; rather, he is often the target of it.

    He writes that news propaganda is for democracy what torture and death squads are for fascism. When you govern with the consent of the people, it becomes too difficult to oppress them physically without risking a change in government. Thus propaganda is used -- not through mind control but through manufacturing consent -- to feed the populace the opinions you want them to have. The U.S. learned it chiefly from the Nazis, and much of the research made its way into advertising.

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  71. the question everyone is asking: by Cally · · Score: 2

    ...who the fuck is Elizabeth Smart? I read multiple news sources every day and I've never heard of this. Oh wait, I'm not American. Guess I don't exist huh.

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  72. Not really. by nikkelitous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am from Salt Lake City and I have discovered the true reason why the Elizabeth Smart case is so huge. It isn't money or race. It isn't media hype or time. It is the fact that Utah has a LAW instigating what is known as the "Racheal System". Every station that wants to broadcast ANYTHING in Utah has to follow the law. It says that ANYONE who gets kidnapped in Utah HAS to get a certain amount of air time. Once that happened here in Utah the case was so big it got national coverage from CNN. It has failed to die since. The Elizabeth Smart case is PROOF of the success stemming from the Racheal system and others like it.

  73. Celebrity journalism by kallisti · · Score: 2

    Media criticism turned into celebrity journalism, with a growing focus on media moguls and TV superstars.

    This part is pretty funny coming from a guy who used to work at Wired magazine. I don't recall any other magazine that tried to make, for example, the founders of Viacom seem hip.

  74. This isn't correct. by juuri · · Score: 2

    Microsoft gave 72.3Million to charity in 1995.

    The anti-trust trial started in 1998. Inquiries started in early 1997.

    (not a fan of msoft; but even less of a fan of missinformation)

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  75. PBS by homer_ca · · Score: 2

    Lots of people complain about NPR being too PC and liberal biased, but PBS TV has some of the best news shows out there. It seems like they're the only news that doesn't insult your intelligence. Compare Newshour with Jim Lehrer to the evening news or Nightline; Newshour doesn't cover fluff stories and they might even show a whole minute of a speech, compared to 4 seconds on the networks. Frontline vs. 60 Minutes or NBC Dateline is the same thing.

  76. I quote CmdrTaco when I say... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

    "If you disagree with me, don't read. I don't mind!"

    If VA Software wants to run rants about editorial integrity, they should get some themselves.

  77. Re:Just as Guilty ... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

    By posting this piece Slashdot is ironically blurring the news and opinion -- and this is the maybe not-so-obviously-stated subtext of Katz's opining ramblings.

    And why do they do it? Katz said why himself. "media are market-driven, not idea-substance-or-content driven" The fact of the matter is that Katz generates a lot of responses (flames, whatever you want to call it), and responses generate ad impressions, and ad impressions pay for the site.

  78. Katz analyzes Katz by jafac · · Score: 2

    Seems that the sole voice of "page hits by controversey" on slashdot was traditionally Katz. Now he suddenly notices that this is what drives what passes for journalism these days?

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  79. What is this, the O'Reily Factor now? by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    Caution, you're about to enter a heavy spin zone... For such a long article, it sure didn't have much to say. Lots of opinions, little substance and nothing anybody with half a brain in their head didn't already know. The Media sucks. Yeah, and....? The media is biased. Sooo...? It's a fickle establishment. Ya think? I'm sorry, but I would think anyone who frequents /. is intelligent enough to already know the injustices of the media. You can have your whine and cheese all day long, but are you going to do something about it??? Because that's all I saw there was a whole lotta bitching and moaning over something he's never going to do anything about but bitch and moan. I would suggest the inclusion of a special "rant" icon beside future articles of this sort. Like the one that should have been displayed next to the U-571 review a month back.

    Karma? I use that stuff for bait. :D

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  80. Re:Z mag is not moral, nor is Tom by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

    really

    so show me an article where z Mag has reported a fact falsely?

    If you say the truth you are bound to have many people pissed at you.

  81. Not only news by I_redwolf · · Score: 2

    ... but also with any other corporatized industry. Radio stations was a very good example. Here in Brooklyn I could decide I wanted to listen to classical, jazz, hiphop, r&b or whatever. Now all the stations sound exactly the same; exactly. Same music, same shit. Hiphop once was a voice for poor blacks (public enemey, tribe called quest, pharcyde, the roots) now it's nothing but beat samples and someone talking about their 22's and watches and shit. There is a new radio station that tries to address the hiphop nonsense in nyc; 105.1 but we'll see how long that'll last. Jazz used to be about Birdland and John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Nat King Cole, Kenny G shit like that. Now it's about bland elevator music; etc etc etc.

    The problem isn't with the corporations doing this the problem is that people here just don't give a shit about their rights or anything else except having that new house and new car.. The American dream. A friend of mine is so apprehensive about everything, oh I shouldn't do that it might affect a,b,c. "Oh you shouldn't tell that person to fuck off their the manager or ceo or whatever of blah blah blah and if you don't conform to mental death you'll be ostracized from society." It's so obvious people don't give a shit when they let corporations have more rights than them. Infact as we've seen lately corporations can rob the public blind and no one does any time at all, no punishments not even punitive damages that mean anything; who loses? the public, Who gains? The Corporation of course and when will it stop? Never, because the people that steal the money get hired at Corporation B and they steal money from the public there as well. Business as usual.

    You have people on Slashdot talking out of two sides of their faces.. Ohh I hate Blizzard, Vivendi but I can't wait for WarCraft.. I'm gonna go out and get that game. Hell they didn't trample on my rights just some other guy who has nothing to do with bnetd except for hosting it. Infact the bnetd developers didn't even have anything to do with it but hell whatever.I hate the MPAA but I'm gonna buy some dvd's because I need them. Fuck the RIAA but I have to have that new Britney Spears, NSYNC pop jawlock shit they put out.

    Anyway I'm fucking rambling but it's time people stand for something. If you don't like it actively protest it, don't buy it, don't listen to it, don't deal with it. Stand for something or fall for anything.. as for news if you want some good investigative journalism on stuff thats news worthy check out Dateline NBC. Thats the only show I can really think of that tells the current system that people are still watching. If anyone else has anything they think is news worthy feel free to add on.

  82. Seeking out news by Chris+Canfield · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm constantly amazed when I travel to foreign countries and find that real news and real journalism can be genuinely profitable. Why do we settle as a nation for magazines like "Time" when Mother Jones sits quietly on the shelf? Why do serious newsmagazines need to shlock around the latest Julia Roberts rumors to sell copies?

    This is as much about culture as it is about media. I have nothing against infotainment... I read Slashdot, after all. But that isn't the same thing as information. Yet any of the myriad of people who pick up, say, the Boston Herald every day think that they are getting their daily dose of vitamin I... They don't make the conscious realization that it is just a copy of People on cheap paper. If Americans had any cultural context and the desire to understand rather than be told they would have snapped up copies of any paper covering the assassination lists Presidente Fox is holding and the overhaul of the Russian criminal justice system set to take effect this week. But we don't, so we don't.

    There is nothing wrong with the periodicals mentioned in this piece... they just need to be seen in their proper light. Yelling at the previously core newssources just because they chose to sell avon instead of news won't solve the problem. Moving enmasse to reliable news sources will.

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  83. You may be right by gruntvald · · Score: 2

    in all your points, but shouldn't you be allowed to make up your own mind, instead of having the government "protect" you by censoring what you hear? The BBC has "quality" reporting, sure, but to suggest it has freedom in reporting is ignoring some fundamental issues.

  84. Re:So what's your point? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    "In this country, you ARE innocent until proven guilty. Once acquitted, as far as the public and government are concerned, you're innocent."

    That's what the AC that started this thread was saying. The media punished OJ and we all have scary images of him in our minds now. I kind of wish I hadn't responded because now that I think about it, he's right.

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  85. Sports news has become awful by Fastball · · Score: 2
    Maybe Slashdot has some sports fans out there, so here goes.

    Sports news in its overbloated, expansive form has just ruined all of professional sports and a healthy portion of amateur athletics. More than any other facet of life, sports receive far more coverage than is necessary. Don't get me wrong, the brand of tearjerker FUD journalism conceived by Barbara Walters and 20/20 and now championed by NBC's Dateline are the most unnecessary sixty minutes of life on any night they air.

    Yet night in and night out, a sports fan who wants to get his scores and find out who won and lost has to endure reports on the health of Shaquille O'Neal's left ring finger, how a star running back two time zones away is holding out until his team's general manager "comes correct with the money," and listen to no less than a half dozen talking heads launch in on the virtues of being able to work an at bat to a 3-2 count.

    The personalities at ESPN, for example, are fun and often insightful, but when I tune into SportsCenter any more, I usually ask myself at some point in the broadcast what good any of this information is. And the answer is always "nothing."

    All this coverage does is inflate our perceptions about these athletes. So much so we often mistake them or heroes and icons. Unfortunately, we as fans are to blame as much as news junkies are to blame for the saturation of cable news channels on the cable dial. Somewhere along the way, we exchanged the boxscores for anecdotes.

    I postulate that the less we know about an athlete, but better our appreciation of his skills and achievements will be. The Olympics and NBC's coverage of them are of course the best example of this. Nobody knew anything about the 1980 U.S. hockey team that upset the Soviet Union and won gold. And what a moment and memory that turned out to be. Now, we have to endure a punishing barrage of backstories about how an (American) had to overcome some sort of adversity to get where he is. As if without propping up our athletes on some anecdotal cruch, we won't appreciate their accomplishments. Sad...

    Any Slashdot sports fans out there feel the same?

  86. This has been bothering me for a while too by teslatug · · Score: 2

    It's true that the News is also becoming comercialized. I've often heard the argument that if people want the news, they will watch from a channel that presents it for its newsworthiness, or that they will simply hop on the net. The problem is that you need money to be able to report the news in all its glory (or all its gorry as it has become recently). The stations that don't pander to advertisers or to the big Corporations (who want things about them kept quiet) will go under. The same thing goes for websites. Sure all the information is somewhere on the net, but how do you find it. Right now you can use Google News but will it always be as effective/free as it still a company trying to profit?? All the good sites eventually get a big enough following that they require money (e.g. /.) and they might either go down or become corrupted in some way (/. hasn't yet in my opinion but what would happen if all its advertisers demanded change?).
    One program that I am going to miss is Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect. PI was cancelled because it offended advertisers, not because its ratings were down. Now, even if the technologically savy can find the news on the internet, the masses will not, and it is the masses that decide what goes on in the country come election time. They will be influenced by these big corporations controlling the mass media and in turn will screw the rest of us. It's hard to make an informed opinion if you can't find an informative cable tv/network station anymore.

    Ok, maybe this is also sensationalizing, and if it doesn't get this bad I will be happy, but I could really see it happening. It's not going to be done on purpose by anyone, it will just migrate in that direction because of the economical forces (in a sort of evolutionary way).

  87. There is nothing new... by cryptogryphon · · Score: 2, Insightful
  88. Um, people. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2
    Yes, this poster got some facts wrong, but that does not invalidate his frustration.

    Case in point: CNN running bits on the wedding bombing doesn't provide the justification to ignore 12 year old Bosnian girls being raped by Americans and other international UN representatives, for which there is very little broad coverage.

    I tend to think, however, that the reason for spotty news coverage stems from a somewhat more devious source than simple greed, as Katz appears to believe.

    In a related thought. . . Based on the conspiracy theorist's assumption that Nothing Major Happens In The News Without A Reason, my guess is that we're going to be seeing a movement towards a softening of perspective regarding Islamic Fundamentalists; That is, the public will be herded into a state where, while by no means forgiving or loving people from the Middle East, thinking of them as pathetic & savage dupes manipulated into performing for greater corrupt forces.

    (i.e., "Somebody should step in and control those poor, stupid savages!")

    I also tend to think that the current trend towards increasing world-wide anti-Semitism isn't going to let up until it reaches the point where when the next Holocaust begins, the world community will be willing to look the other way. "Serves them right!", or some such.

    This, I must think, would require that at some point, the U.S. find itself 'forced', (through public pressure?), to pull its 3 billion per annum funding out of Israel. It'll be interesting to see how this feat is pulled off! Probably it'll be much more convoluted and infinitely more convincing a production.

    Stay tuned!


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  89. Abuse by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

    Mod the parent up.

  90. Re:"plain stupidity"? by fishbowl · · Score: 2

    Custom, yes.

    *BUT* there is a general state of war and civil unrest in the country. As a direct consequence of that, it becomes unreasonable to engage in certain customary actions.

    Case in point, fireworks in Arizona on the 4th of July. It's traditional, but expect to be arrested for burning them... Or lynched if certain very angry people get to you before the law enforcement folks do.

    Just because it's traditional to shoot guns in the air does not make it right. And an accident like the wedding party attack is exactly what happens when you ignore common sense and discretion given extenuating circumstances!

    If you knew a room was filled with gas, would you turn on the light switch to check?

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  91. Re:Troll spotting by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

    I guess all the children who were murdered in that attack had it coming to them, right?


    Speaking of trolls, his post EXPLICITLY MENTIONED that the children weren't responsible and how that's the only reason he held back and said it was *almost* just desserts.

    There's one way he's right - firing guns directly up into the air is incredibly stupid. Those bullets eventually fall down at deadly velocity. The terminal velocity of bullets is rather high, since they are explicitly designed to reduce air drag. And, it will come back down carried by the wind to somewhere you can't predict. It's irresponsible to shoot live ammo straight up and assume the bullets will just vanish in a magic puff of smoke and never come back down.

    Not that this excuses the mistake made by the air crew, but the adults at the party are not entirely blameless either. The pilots saw someone firing guns up at them and assumed from that they had found a remaining cell of fighters.

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  92. Re:CBS? by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    Walter Cronkite, who stood up to the prevailing idea that the Vietnam war was just and right, and who opposes the administration and the slant of the media today; the White Papers; and most of the 60 minutes pieces; those are the best that journalist could do in the Post-Hearst era, when corporate network bosses kept their hands off of the editors and the writers of the news departments. New operations were run at a loss to the networks.

    Now the news departments are considered entertainment, and are expected to show a profit. Foreign bureaus have been shuttered, and even CNN has become New and Improved with more Opinions Worth Knowing from young anchors.

    News is supposed to enlighten, not entertain.

    Remember, TV news, run as a loss-leader for networks for decades, was the result of a bargain the networks made for the use of the public airwaves. Make a mint, but keep hands off the news departments.

    Now, everything, according to neocon rote, exists to make a profit. The problem is, the bargain has been jettisoned. Public service in exchange for professional and universal news coverage is now a laughable relic of the past.

    If it wasn't for the web, I wouldn't know where the hell to get information anymore!

    As for Dan Rather, ad hominem. Who cares about him: he is not CBS. A for publicity, Peter Jennings, Sam Donaldson, and others made the rounds of talk shows years before Rather did.

    Rather annoyed me on Letterman after 9/11 with his "if the President says jump, I jump" comment. That was unworthy of a newsman. But then again, he merely said out loud what the corp bosses and other managers at news networks are implicitly doing every day -- avoiding criticism of U.S. policy and Bush in particular. It's pathetic.

  93. Greedy is an adjective modifying capitalist. by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

    Nothing in the wording contained the implication that capitalism is always greedy. He described Gates and a greedy capitalist, which says nothing about whether he calls all capitalists greedy. (In fact, it's just the opposite. It hints that he thinks there do exist non-greedy capitalists, since he wouldn't need to use the modifier if he thought capitalism always included greediness. If he thought capitalism always meant greediness then saying "greedy capitalist" would be redundant, like saying, "two-wheeled bicycle". The fact that he felt a need to add the word indicates just the opposite of what you read into it.

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  94. Katz - right conclusion, wrong premise though by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

    The conclusion that the media covers news stories differently based on sensationalism is of course true, but Katz's slant on this one is waaay off. The Milwaukee case is not getting as much attention as the Salt Lake case NOT because of racial reasons or richness of the audience. It's because the Milwaukee case is much less unusual, and therefore less interesting of a story. In Milwaukee, the girl went missing while outside of the house. In Salt Lake, the girl went missing right from within the confines of the house, indicating that someone probably got inside and took her. That's a much more rare and "interesting" story than someone going missing from somewhere out on the streets, because it puts more fear in people's minds to have it happen right under their own roof.

    Consider another older incident from Milwaukee, that of Jeffrey Dahmer. All his victims were poor. Most were not white. Most (but not all) were gay or bi. That puts them right into the kind of demographic Katz believes the media loves to ignore. But it got a *hell of a lot* of media coverage when he got found out. Why? Because it was a sensational story - one that makes a good "yarn" - and *that* is the primary determinant for the news outlets. They want the ratings, just like every other entertainment show, and that means they want to cover the more interesting plots.

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  95. Distribution Channels Unbiased? Test It. by Baldrson · · Score: 2
    media are market-driven, not idea-substance-or-content driven

    This a testable statement. Look at the history of per theater revenue vs gross revenue if you want to get a feel for how there might be more than market-driven consideration in distribution of memes.

    A few years back I ran some numbers. Here are the 24 Week Average Hollywood Propaganda Ratings* as of Saturday October 02, 1999

    Films Probably OVER Exposed by the Movie Industry

    Market Distortion Movie Title

    1586760 shakespeare in love (miramax)
    1352850 election (par)
    1327109 an ideal husband (miramax)
    1259503 entrapment (20th)
    1161624 analyze this (wb)
    1021663 the love letter (dreamworks)
    1003912 a midsummer night's dream (fox searchlight)
    841683 never been kissed (20th)
    830672 the out-of-towners (par)

    Films Probably UNDER Exposed by the Movie Industry

    Market Distortion Movie Title

    -181497 the blair witch project (artisan)
    -191001 mysteries of egypt (destination)
    -234300 the thirteenth floor (sony)
    -268947 encounter in the third dimension (nwave)
    -300778 extreme (bldjf)
    -304998 baadshah (eros)
    -1006999 taal (eros)
    -1089004 lost & found (wb)
    -2126981 everest (macgillivray freeman)
    -2272350 island of the sharks (imax)
    -2376508 t-rex: back to the cretaceous (imax)
    -3894387 the sixth sense (bv)
    -4254919 star wars: episode i - the phantom menace (20th)

    (*) Hollywood Propaganda Ratings are a way of ranking movies according to how willing the industry is to sacrifice money in order to expose those movies to the public.

    The sacrifice for propaganda is estimated to be the number of showings of the movie times the estimated sacrifice per showing. The sacrifice per showing of the movie is estimated to be the average revenue per showing of a movie minus the expected revenue per showing of the movie (based on the movie's prior week's revenue figures). The showings are estimated by compiling movie schedules from around the country (about 10,000 showings) and giving non-prime time showings only 1/4 of a prime time showing's exposure (and therefore potential sacrifice if no one attends that showing).

    These figures deliberately exclude the opening week's revenues for each movie.

    A problem exists due to the fact that small sacrifices per showing can be 'in the noise' which means it is unclear whether there is any sacrifice per showing or not. Yet with large amounts of exposure, the total estimated sacrifice can be large. This can wash out the ratings of movies with more certainty of being over/under exposed -- especially if the movies 'in the noise' are recent releases with huge exposures, which is frequently the case. To remedy the situation, the total sacrifice is multiplied times the sacrifice per showing to stress only those movies whose total sacrifice is certain of being due to market distortion rather than a huge exposure of a possibly misestimated small sacrifice per showing. The results are then sorted accordingly and the stress which is called "Market Distortion" above.

    Additionally, only the few most distorted movies are displayed in each category (OVER and UNDER exposed).

  96. To everyone who is upset with American media... by Cinematique · · Score: 2

    and took the time to respond here on /.

    how about emailing (insert news organization of your choice here) and telling them that you don't agree with their coverage?

    Point them in the direction of things you want them to cover more. Cover less.

    I'm almost positive that they'll be receptive to a group of people that start to question their pratice(s). They need you. You don't need them. They know this. Drop them a note or two.

    Keep it short, sweet, and to the point.

  97. Frightening by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    Frightening. I go to the Beeb, the Guardian, and the Times daily to get real news!

    If you hate the UK press, you should see what we get here.

    1. Re:Frightening by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Good point. I go to those sites for accurate analysis of U.S. news.

      Seems to be a rule of thumb that the homeland press cannot see clearly what happens on the street in front of their offices, but have laser-sharp resolution of other countries' faults.

  98. Re:Z mag is not moral, nor is Tom by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

    actually chmsky just cited "doctors without borders" - a very well known international relief organization. Truth of the mater is nobody knows how many people starved to death that winter, because as Chomsky correctly predicted nobody cared to check.

  99. Sadly, the white slave trade is very real. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2
    Gee, maybe it's ignored because... it's not true? Nah, that couldn't be. Heck, if the Jews can all call in sick on 9/11, then they certain can mastermind something like this.

    No, unfortunately, this is real, and it is covered by the international press.

    Here's a clip from an article I saved from last year. The actual web page is gone now, but you can certainly do some searching if you really want to know about this stuff.

    UN, SFOR Involved in Bosnian Prostitution

    SARAJEVO, May 19, 2000 -- (Reuters) UN police in Bosnia and one member of a NATO-led force have been involved in prostitution and a trade in women that the Balkan country should do more to prevent, a UN report said on Thursday.

    The report accused the authorities of going after the victims of trafficking rather than the true culprits. It said the women are often denied basic legal rights when detained.

    "Bosnia-Herzegovina has emerged as a significant destination point for women trafficked from Eastern Europe," said the report released by the UN mission in Bosnia and the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.

    The two agencies said they had dealt with 40 cases of suspected trafficking of people in the year to March, involving 182 women.

    Most were in their 20s but five were under 18.

    "The women in these cases were almost all foreign nationals, hailing from five countries - Bulgaria, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Romania and the Ukraine," it said.

    "In approximately 14 cases...there was evidence of complicity by police, mostly local police but also some international police, as well as foreign military (SFOR troops)," the report said.

    "All these groups were implicated as clients, though only local police and one SFOR member were apparently involved in buying and selling the women," the report said.

    The UN International Police Task Force (IPTF) oversees the restructuring of Bosnia's police while the 20,000-strong NATO-led Stabilization Force (SFOR) safeguards the peace.

    SFOR MEMBER INVOLVED IN TRAFFICKING

    The report said that an international civilian member of SFOR reportedly paid 7,000 German marks ($3,200) in November 1999 to a bar owner in the eastern Serb-held town of Vlasenica for one woman from Romania and another from Moldova.

    "As a member of SFOR, the man was immune from prosecution by local authorities. For unstated reasons, NATO declined to waive that immunity," the report said.

    "On the basis of his misconduct the man was relieved of his duties and a few days later was barred from the SFOR area of operations. He left Bosnia and no further action was taken."

    SFOR was not immediately available for comment.

    In 1998, NATO dismissed allegations by the Spanish newspaper El Mundo that its soldiers were involved in child prostitution and drug trafficking in Bosnia.

    UN spokesman Douglas Coffman told Reuters it could not prove allegations against officers of the international police force. "Had we been able to prove the allegations we would have punished them severely," he said.

    The UN report said that most of the suspected trafficking was reported in or near the country's Serb republic - which with the Moslem-Croat federation makes up Bosnia - in some federation cantons and the neutral northern Brcko district.

    A significant part of the trade was reported at the vast, unregulated "Arizona Market" which has several brothels. It is in northern Bosnia, on the boundary between the federation and Serb Republic and near Croatia and Yugoslavia.

    "In general, government authorities do not fully understand the complexities of the trade in human beings nor do they comprehend its scope. Law enforcement is often complicit, either overtly or by silence and failure to act," the report said.

    -Fanstastic Lad

  100. No, no, no! by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2
    Guess what else, I saw the story about the defense contractor, via the web. Its sad to see 12 year old prostitutes, but it is a bit of an exaggeration to say "ignore 12 year old Bosnian girls being raped by Americans" when they are paid for what they do. (who's to say they didn't enjoy it more than the men ;^)

    I seriously doubt that any child, given the free choice, would decide to sell their bodies for sex. Girls and women of these war-torn and disadvantaged countries are kidnapped and forced on threat of violence and death to perform. This is well documented. Do some reading. They are not paid. They are kept locked like animals in their rooms. In the words of one kidnapped prositute interviewed , "We are not even treated as well as dogs; you at least feed dogs. They starve us of water so that we will drink the beer customers buy for us." These people are thought of as commodity by the traders and bar-opperators who own them. It is one of the few situations in which I would be willing to murder in order to rectify.

    Your mis-understanding of the situation is a direct result of the media filtering going on in the Western world.

    Get informed!

    -Fantastic Lad

  101. Re:To understand Chomsky is to reject him. by PatientZero · · Score: 2
    A meaningless term, "propaganda" is. Information is information.

    Propaganda is not information; it is the use and presentation of information -- sometimes true, sometimes false -- for the purpose of affecting a person's opinions or actions.

    For example, "two plus two makes four" is simply information whereas "Palestinian violence is terrorism; Israeli violence is retaliation and self-defense." is propoganda. Why? The latter statement seeks to alter your perception of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Stated in that way, it condones Israel's use of terrorism without directly negating the definition of terrorism (violence used against a civilian population for the purpose of affecting political change). Of course, in the media it is never stated like that outright; all Israeli violence is simply accepted as self-defense without discussion.

    Another example is advertising. Do you think that Pepsi is telling us out of the goodness of their corporate heart that their soft drink is "for those who think young"? Or, perhaps, might the corporation be trying to convince us to buy their soft drink by playing on the cultural obsession with looking and feeling young?

    Like most people, I read his stuff and reject it because it makes little sense.

    Finally, here's yet one more good example of propaganda. Unless you can cite a scientific study demonstrating that "most people . . . reject it," I'm going to assume you made this up. Your doctrine is that Chomsky is a toad, and you attempt to convince others by stating that most people agree with you. That's propaganda.

    The guy is not censored. Rather, hardly anyone cares what he has to say because what he says is irrelevant.

    This relates to the recent hoopla that the media are biased for stories that will generate more viewers. Hardly anyone cares about what he says because they've been conditioned not to care. And since they don't care, he's kept off television interviews. However, attend any of his lectures and you'll see that there are thousands of critical thinkers that do care about his views.

    He has argued for "democratic" [i.e., govermment] control, and censorship of so-called "corporate" media for the crime of having views he does not agree with.

    Please cite a source for this, as this is contrary to every article and book of his that I have read. I have never seen him recommend control of the media in any way. In fact, he often complains that the media practice self-control in order to promote a specific doctrine.

    I'm curious to know what articles and books of Chomsky's you have read given how different your view of him is from mine. I'm not saying yours should be the same, just that our impressions of his work are diametrically opposed, and that seems odd given how clearly he writes and states his views.

    His basic tenant (sorry, my friend is borrowing the book that has the comment) is that he does not want to tell anyone what to think; instead he provides information from the public sphere and lets you form your own opinion. From the five books and numerous articles I have read, I agree that he is doing exactly that.

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  102. Re:Rejecting Chomskyism by PatientZero · · Score: 2
    No, it doesn't since Israel does not use terrorism.

    Terrorism is the use of violence against civilians in an attempt to affect political change. Let's look at the Israel-Palestine situation.

    Israel has been occupying Palestine for decades. Some Palestinians have resorted to violence, including suicide bombing, against Israeli civilians to force Israel to end the occupation. That's terrorism.

    Many Israelis have resorted to violence (vigilantiism, firing on peaceful demonstrations, expulsion, land confiscation, torture, arrest without charge, etc.) against Palestinian civilians to convince the terrorist groups to stop. That's also terrorism.

    The reporting of it becomes propaganda when it is justified because Israel is retaliating for previous terrorism. What's ignored is that they are retaliating against the population as a whole -- not against the terrorist groups. As well, terrorism in retaliation of terrorism is still terrorism, and no terrorism can be justified.

    There is plenty of media steeped in anti-semitic bias leveling ludicrous and inconsistnt claims against Israel.

    More propaganda. My statements are not critical of the Jewish people, whether you consider them a race or simply people holding the same religious views. Instead, I am criticizing the illegal actions of Israel, the state. Yet I would be considered anti-Semitic for my views. This is nonsense, but it's a very common tactic. Facts are ignored in favor of doctrine.

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    Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
    I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
  103. Rejecting Anti-Semitism by PatientZero · · Score: 2
    Whenever Israel seems to be about to withdraw, the Palestinian army attacks Israel, forcing re-occupation.

    There is no Palestinian army. Please stick to facts.

    Peaceful demonstrations?

    Yes, students gathering in a street carrying signs and chanting slogans are peaceful. That some demonstrations -- on both sides -- have turned violent doesn't negate the existence of peaceful ones.

    Land confiscation? Most of the time, this is the land of terrorists.

    No, that is incorrect. The land is chosen based on its location and perceived value, not on whether or not Hamas members live there. If that were the case, that would imply they knew where the terrorists lived and could easily arrest them. Illegal Israeli settlements (the Geneva Conventions make settlements in occupied land illegal) are created in such a way as to break up the West Bank into small cantons so Arab areas are discontinuous. Then bypass roads are built that only service the settlements, further breaking up Arab areas.

    Arrest without charge? Not an outrage if the arrested are guilty.

    Do you think that would fly here in the U.S.? Are you advocating that we ditch due process? You sound more and more like a fascist with each post.

    It is never "propaganda". It is information.

    You might want to look up propaganda in a dictionary because you keep claiming it has no meaning. It certainly does, and it's not just simple information. Telling you that "two plus two makes four" does not seek to change your opinion or promote my cause.

    Yes certainly. Because you and similar anti-semites dwell on much lesser "crimes" of Israel while ignoring the much greater crimes of Israel's enemies.

    The crimes I laid out above and attributed to each state to me make Israel the "more criminal," especially when it's an established state with U.S. funding that is committing the crimes whereas in Palestine's case it is mostly small organized resistence and not state-wide. Why don't you lay out the crimes as you see them for each state so we can compare.

    Yet you are still missing the main point: I don't believe that Israel's crimes are terrorism based on a belief that Jews are inferior. Rather, I call it terrorism because it fits the definition. If Israel had nothing to do with Jews I would still condemn the state's actions as terrorism. Thus anti-Semitism has nothing to do with my views, just as my criticism of suicide bombing is not based on racial hatred of Arabs.

    It is not unreasonable that anti-semitism is the reason.

    It's not unreasonable that I hold the views I do simply because I hate anything having to do with the Asian continent, but that doesn't make it true or even likely. Reasonableness doesn't make it true. I would also argue that it is unreasonable because it's not based on any evidence but instead on your personal belief.

    [Me:] " Facts are ignored in favor of doctrine."
    That is your way, not mine.

    You haven't provided any facts yet. All I've read is many variations of "No, you're wrong" without anything to back it up.

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    Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
    I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
  104. Re:Censoring short quotes? by gerardrj · · Score: 2

    I don't see how you can consider having a writer elaborate (voluntarily) on a quotation to be censorship. Censoring is suppressing things you disagree with or find objectionable. Making someone elaborate is anti-censorship if anything.

    Again, the idea of the rules would be to eliminate quotes and sound bites in favor of independent and objective research. When a quote is necessary to a report, it should be complete and of sufficent length to give the viewer/reader a significant sense of context.

    Otherwise, I could quote you as saying:

    ...censor things just because... Who cares...
    Makes you sound like a pro-censorship zealot. And while a valid quote, it is not at all in the spirit of what you really said.

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  105. Editors canned for bucking conservative bosses by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    2 Editors Out After Political Disputes

    In full:

    JULY 02, 2002
    2 Editors Out After Political Disputes
    Publishers Allegedly Sought Coverage Changes

    By Joe Strupp

    NEW YORK -- The election season has barely begun and already allegations that publishers have succumbed to political candidates seeking favorable treatment have led at least two editors to abruptly leave their jobs.

    The first departure occurred June 19 when the Brown Publishing Co., owner of the weekly Vandalia (Ohio) Drummer News, fired Editor Kevin O'Boyle. The termination came nearly two months after Brown Publishing CEO and President Roy Brown lost a Republican congressional primary to former Dayton Mayor Mike Turner.

    During Brown's campaign, O'Boyle had spoken out against some of the campaign's tactics, which O'Boyle said included forcing the Brown papers to run campaign press releases and sending campaign flyers to editors for distribution. "It wasn't ethical," O'Boyle, who spent seven years at the paper, told E. "It bothered me as a Christian and a newsperson."

    Brown Publishing executives have denied any illegal campaign practices.

    The Turner campaign claimed the Brown coverage went beyond regular news reporting and should have been treated as a campaign contribution. Complaints by Turner to the Federal Election Commission sparked an ongoing FEC investigation.

    Joel Dempsey, Brown Publishing's general counsel, would not discuss details of O'Boyle's firing, but said it had nothing to do with his criticism of the Brown campaign. "A personnel decision was made concerning the quality of the newspaper and his ability to work for his publisher," he said.

    On June 21, Tom McDonald, editor of the 18,716-daily-circulation Pine Bluff (Ark.) Commercial, quit his job after two years to protest the paper's endorsement procedures in a local congressional race.

    McDonald claimed the paper's parent company, Stephens Media Group of Las Vegas, improperly directed the paper to support former Rep. Jay Dickey, a Republican, in his campaign against incumbent Democrat Mike Ross. And, he told E, "I was also told to keep my disagreements in-house."

    McDonald claimed that Stephens Media executives and Commercial Publisher Charles A. Berry allowed Dickey to influence them with a list of demands for favorable coverage, which included requests for halting letters to the editor from a pro-Ross reader, less comment from Ross on Dickey press releases, and more coverage of Dickey's plans to help black voters.

    The former editor also objected to the paper's plans to announce its endorsement this summer, instead of waiting until weeks before the election -- and accused Stephens Media of ordering it because Dickey is a friend of the Stephens family.

    Sherman Frederick, Stephens Media CEO and president, denied that Dickey influenced the newspaper's coverage and said no endorsement had been made -- but admitted that Dickey has had a longtime relationship with the Stephens family. He also pointed out that newspaper owners have always directed endorsements, and added, referring to McDonald's objections: "He's living in a world that doesn't exist."

    Source: Editor & Publisher Online

  106. Re:Not a good idea by gerardrj · · Score: 2
    I've already covered your objections (quotes of public records and well known texts)in previous posts. I'm not going to have the same debate in multiple sub-threads. Please go back and read the other replies.

    As for the intentional garbling of audio in a sound bite: that would be handled as a violation of the standards in the contract, and a mis-use of the trademark. The offender would be dealt with under the terms of the contract.

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  107. Rejecting anti-semitism one more time by PatientZero · · Score: 2
    Asia?

    On what continent do you believe Israel is located?

    How is it fascist to only want to arrest those who are guilty of crimes?

    That's not what you originally said. You said it was okay that they were arrested without being charged because they were probably guilty. In the U.S. when you are arrested you are charged and given a trial to determine your guilt or innocence. I'm not willing to throw out due process and just hope that the police only arrest guilty people.

    Even though in overwhelming evidence, Israel does far less of the "Crimes" than its enemies.

    Again, this is not true. The PLO does not expell Israelis, nor make mass arrests, nor perpetrate mass torture, nor bulldoze homes and build illegal settlements, nor does it occupy Israel. Both sides kill civilians with guns and bombs. They're both committing terrorism, yet Israel is doing far more of it than the Palestinians. I'd love it if they both stopped.

    which is state-wide . . . aggression funded by many other countries with deep pockets.

    The actions of a few hundred or thousand members of Fatah does not begin to compare to the levels of violence committed by the State of Israel, with its IDF, tanks, jets, artillery, and other high-tech arms supplied by the American taxpayer. Do you believe that the "other countries with deep pockets" even come close to the U.S. aid of over $3 billion annually?

    PLO proclamation denying the Israelis the right to exist

    The PLO voted to remove this from their articles many years ago. Since 1972 Arafat has officially accepted Israel's right to exist and worked toward a two-state settlement.

    Israel entered honestly into the Oslo accords

    No, Israel's first proposal included a map showing that Palestine -- which would not be an actual state -- would consist of roughly 27% of the existing West Bank area and none of the Gaza Strip. It's hardly honest to begin your comprimise by laying claim to yet more territory.

    [Me:] "If Israel had nothing to do with Jews I would still condemn the state's actions as terrorism."

    Seems doubtful. Israel's Jewishness is the most stark thing setting it aside.

    Doubtful or not, it's the truth. No, it is not Israel's Jewishness that I condemn; it's their use of terrorism. I condemn the Palestinian's use of terrorism. I condemn America's use of terrorism. I condemn terrorism, whether it's committed by Jews, Arabs, or Martians.

    Often anti-semites claim that Jews are cunning devils who are too smart.

    If they're so damn smart, you'd think they'd realize that their very own policy of violence and occupation is responsible for the Arab violence. Fortunately, many Israelis understand this and are working toward a peaceful solution.

    By the way, you keep implying that socialism is a bad or evil thing. You might want to avoid generalizations as that is what leads to racism and other stereotyping. For example, Israel is a democratic socialist republic, and I don't think you believe them to be evil because they practice socialism.

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    I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!