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Built For Use

Posted by timothy on from the ride-it dept.

Teresa Esser writes "Karen Donoghue's new book, Built for Use: Driving Profitability Through the User Experience was clearly written for marketing professionals and upper level managers. Slashdot readers may find that some of the material in this book is intuitively obvious. But it's great to have a book like this on your shelf when you're trying to have a discussion with a co-worker who doesn't understand why corporate Web sites need to be user-friendly." Read on for the rest of her below. Built for Use: Driving Profitability Through the User Experience author Karen Donoghue pages 262 publisher McGraw Hill rating 9 -- great for its intended audience reviewer Teresa Esser ISBN 0071383042 summary Provides important information about how to make corporate Web sites user-friendly

Built for Use is the kind of book that can be slipped under a door or surreptitiously dropped into a mailbox to make a point without wasting time on yet another useless conversation.

The book is filled with tidbits like:

  1. The best Web sites don't necessarily come from the best designers.

  2. Frustrated artists with nose rings and black turtlenecks should not be allowed to turn a company's Web site into a piece of experimental non-performance art.

  3. Flashing lights are great for Las Vegas, but who wants to work in Las Vegas?

Usability is not, and never has been, sexy. Grayscale sites like Yahoo! deliver value to their users because they load almost instantly and provide access to the things that people want.

This is basic, logical, intuitively obvious stuff. Yet it seems like a lot of this material is completely foreign to many of the people who make the final decisions about what corporate Web sites are going to look like.

As we move forward into a world where EZ-Passes will be used to finance fast-food purchases and where nanotechnologies will be woven into the threads of our jeans, it's important to learn -- and learn quickly -- that sexier is not always better.

Before companies sink millions of dollars into the development of yet another annoying and impossible-to-use Web site, they need to ask themselves:

  1. Can the site be used by its intended audience?

  2. Do the customers understand the language on the site?

  3. Are the customers' computers fast enough to download all of the relevant material?

  4. Are the customers savvy enough to find their way to the cash register?

  5. Will the cash register accept the customers' money?

  6. Is the system completely integrated with the company's back-end software?

  7. If you call the company on the phone, will you get the same experience that you get when you visit the corporate Web site?

Companies need to make sure they are delivering the same messages through their Web sites that they are delivering through their phone banks, through their television ad campaigns, and through their product delivery channels.

If you say that you have sold me something, and you charge my credit card, then you had better deliver that thing to my door, and soon, or you will lose my trust.

Slapping a Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval type "trust" sticker on some Web site does not build customer loyalty. Customer loyalty needs to be earned, one transaction at a time.

Could you imagine how annoying the world would be if retail clothing chains like The Gap put invisible trip-wires in front of their clothing racks, so that whenever you reached for a pair of khakis you crashed to the ground?

Could you imagine how annoying the world would be if retail stores covered all of their cash registers with a layer of Saran Wrap?

That's basically what some Web sites are doing now. If a retail site looks great but you can't use it to buy anything, or to access interesting content, then the site stinks.

If you work with marketers who desperately need to know a thing or two about user-experience strategy -- or maybe all nine -- hand them a copy of Built for Use. It will save time, and they'll praise you for allowing them to discover the truth on their own.

This book has a website, located at http://www.humanlogic.com/. You can purchase Built for Use from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to submit yours, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

186 comments

  1. FFP by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

    Fast Fourier Post

    for all the underpriveleged, starving CLITS

    1. Re:FFP by News+For+Turds · · Score: -1
      oh hellZ yeah, bizzzzzznitch

      monkey boy is teh sux

      --
      -- You are such a fucking fag
    2. Re:FFP by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

      so why do people claim AC FPs? doesn't that seem a little desperate?

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    --
    "Under the iron bridge, we fist" - The Smiths, Still Ill
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    1. Re:klerck shall live on..... by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

      Klerck's not dead, fool

    2. Re:klerck shall live on..... by Ctrl-Z · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      M0d p4r3nt up!!!!111!1!!!!!

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    3. Re:klerck shall live on..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      There's a shame.

      Uh oh, and AC!

  5. The rest of her by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Funny

    Read on for the rest of her below.

    I read on but didn't see either Karen or Teresa. Given the /. reputation I'm not sure if I should have been looking for the rest of her below or the rest of her elbow.

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    1. Re:The rest of her by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Guess I should change my sig to include a disclaimer for the humor impaired among the moderators.

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  6. Built for Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is an excellent name for a pr0n movie.

  7. FUCK YOU by TuxLuvr · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    i am also taking over for subject line troll

    1. Re:FUCK YOU by L0rdkariya · · Score: -1

      Where'd the subject line troll go ?

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    2. Re:FUCK YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Same place I, (TweeKinDaBahx), went. We're banned due to the lamers @ /. who don't agree with us. DOWN WITH LINUX AND UP WITH M$. OSS makes you gay!

    3. Re:FUCK YOU by feeander · · Score: -1

      Jesus... you burned through that 18 karma quick, dincha?

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  8. interesting by Sir+Elton+John · · Score: 1, Troll

    I happen to be at odds with the banishment of art from corporate image. In addition, an analogy struck me.

    web sites : moody artists :: operating systems : dirty hippies

    By the principles put forth in this book, Linux would not exist!

    I ask the Slashdot community to consider carefully the contributions made by artists. Without culture, we would still be living in the Middle Ages.

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    1. Re:interesting by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the point was that the site shouldn't be so gagged up with 'art' that it loads slowly or not at all. Just because someone sees themselves as an artist (as I do) doesn't mean that their client's or company's web site should become their personal statement or portfolio.

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    2. Re:interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do the site, it does become part of your portfolio, unless it sucks.

    3. Re:interesting by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 1

      If you are a hired to do some work with a specific aim in point, then it is not good to be so intent on showing off that you make the original purpose impossible. It's like claiming you should be allowed to have 28 disciples, three Jesus Christs and a kangaroo in a painting of the Last Supper.

    4. Re:interesting by Squeamish+Ossifrage · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I haven't read the book, so I can't comment on what priciples it's putting forth, but your comment seems to be missing the point which the reviewer, at least, was making. Nobody's saying that art has no role whatsoever in website design. What they seem to be saying - and I agree wholeheartedly - is that art is a secondary concern. It's not wrong to have art, indeed art is often desirable, but art should facilitate the goals of the website, not be a goal per se.

      I've done web site design, and I consider myself an artist of sorts, and they are very different activites. Art, as an end in itself, is about beauty and self expression. A corporate web site, like everything else a company does, is about advancing the company's financial position. Usually this means encouraging people to buy something (advertizing), directly enabling them to buy something (on-line sales), or maximizing the value of things they've already bought (customer service).

      In none of these cases does the web site work by sitting there and expressing the artist's vision. It works by enabling the customer to do something they want to do - and which the company also wants them to do - using the web site. Art, in a commercial setting, is a fine means unto that end, but should not be the end itself. This isn't to say that art for art's sake isn't a wonderful and necessary part of our society, but a corporate web site is probably not the most suitable canvas.

    5. Re:interesting by Shadowlion · · Score: 1

      But the fat one balances the two skinny ones!

    6. Re:interesting by Grax · · Score: 1

      KISS (keep it simple stupid) has long been a design principle, pre-dating the internet. Art is a huge part of the corporate image but it must be kept simple.

      The point of a corporate web site is not to serve as a museum showcase for their brilliant designers. Their web site is to present their company and products in a favorable light.

      The ability to create a professional-looking and simple web page takes as much talent as the talent needed to create a whiz-bang site.

      I ask the world to consider carefully the contributions made by all types of creators. Programmers these days are having their creations suppressed and their artistic value denied.

      Why should a programmer who crafts a program that can play a DVD be suppressed while a movie that can serve as a recipe for terrorism, murder, con games, etc be considered a cultural contribution? (I do not support movie and music censorship. I also do not approve of source code censorship.)

      Should the programmer sing his program so that it will be considered a creation? ("Elton John Sings Linux Kernel 2.4.9" could be a big hit)

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    7. Re:interesting by Eugene+O'Neil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By the principles put forth in this book, Linux would not exist!

      It would be difficult to articulate the full magnitude of how wrong you are.

      Linux does not depend on the sort of "frustrated artists with nose rings and black turtlenecks" the book is complaining about. Linux owes it's existence to the sort of hard-core geeks who think that hunting down kernel thread synchronization bugs is fun. Without all the tedious, non-sexy details like a stable kernel and a good compiler suite, there would be nothing to linux for the more traditionally "artistic" types to cover with a candy-coated shell. At best, those artistic types only make an operating system that was already exellent accessable to a wider audience: more often, they are useless parasites that take more credit than they deserve for the fruits of real geek's labor. I consider your post to be an excellent example of the latter case.

    8. Re:interesting by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      I happen to be at odds with the banishment of art from corporate image.

      There's a difference between banishing art, and being appropriate with it. You don't make a knife blade out of gold on the premise that it's prettier; you make the knife out of good steel, and put ornamentation on in such a way as to not interfere with the function.

      I am, among other things, a poet. But I don't write my software design docs in verse.

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    9. Re:interesting by broody · · Score: 1

      It's like claiming you should be allowed to have 28 disciples, three Jesus Christs and a kangaroo in a painting of the Last Supper.

      Why the hell not? It's a painting. That said, your first sentance actually makes sense.

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    10. Re:interesting by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      Art, as an end in itself, is about
      beauty and self expression.

      Right. And when doing a corporate website (or a website for anyone other than yourself) the goal is for you to express something of them and not of yourself. It's not the artist's vision that's important, but conveying the company's vision. If an artist wants to freely express themselves they can build their own page or submit pages to an art oriented site.

      Nice pics by the way. Have you delved into digital yet?

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    11. Re:interesting by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      If you do the site, it does become part of your portfolio, unless it sucks.

      I normally don't respond to AC's, but in the interest of clarity - there is a big difference between making a site part of your portfolio and turning a client's site into your own personal portfolio.

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    12. Re:interesting by n1vux · · Score: 1

      Did you read the book before saying "by the principles put forth in"? The author is an accomplished artist with both traditional and digital media and is hardly for banishment of art. She's paid her dues, was doing really nice bandwidth-limited (or RAM limited in those days) graphics for GUI branding before the web was born.

    13. Re:interesting by eddy+the+lip · · Score: 2
      It's not the artist's vision that's important, but conveying the company's vision.

      I'd argue that there is an art to that - putting across the company's vision in an aesthetically pleasing way, without sacrificing functionaliy or straying outside the bounds of good website design (accessibility, download times, cross-browser compatibility, etc...). Our designer has an excellent grasp of these things, and has an ability to capture a companies "feel" that really amazes me. She's a pleasure to work with.

      On the other hand, nothing bothers me so much as so-called designers that insist on gratiutous elemements that impede usability and add nothing to the site. Some of our clients have had very bad experiences with previous companies, and it made it very hard to get them to trust us at first. Of course, now they're loyal clients who say nice things about us, so maybe it all works out ;)

      Anyway, I'm agreeing with you, just expanding on how I'd define "art" in terms of commercial web development.

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    14. Re:interesting by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that there is an art to that - putting across the company's vision in an aesthetically pleasing way, without sacrificing functionaliy or straying outside the bounds of good website design

      No argument here. See my comment on creativity.

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    15. Re:interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without commerce we'd still be in the Middle Ages.

      Form without function will, in time, kill itself off. Those moody artists we all seem to be talking about are sealing their fate with every site that no one can use.

      There will be artists that can use functionality to further their art, rather than viewing it as a hinderance. They will survive, thrive, and eat well while the moody artists starve.

    16. Re:interesting by eddy+the+lip · · Score: 2

      heh. Excellent comment. Now we just need to convince the rest of the industry...

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    17. Re:interesting by Squeamish+Ossifrage · · Score: 1

      >Nice pics by the way. Have you delved into digital yet?

      Thanks. Not really: I've used a digital camera for snapshots and such, but I haven't worked with one seriously or explored the ways in which they're different from using film. I'd kind of like to, though, because the process of getting film pictures scanned is a royal pain. In addition to the standard transparency development process, you then have to pick which images are worth scanning (unless you can afford to scan them all), have them scanned, and then correct scanning artifacts in the resulting images. It's the last step that really sucks, in my opinion.

      I'd have responded by e-mail, but your user information doesn't seem to give out your address.

    18. Re:interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Middle Ages were a period of high art -- I believe you meant to say the Dark Ages, which were several centuries before the Middle Ages, and are a time from which we don't have a significant record of art.

  9. Hmm.. by gabec · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone at mozilla.org could make some use of that book, methinks. Their website is not made for the average joe. Granted it has gotten better but it's still chock full of unexplained keywords and high expectations of the customer's tech-savvy. I can just see sending my mom to download Mozilla and telling her 'just look for links that say "downloads for windows", don't get sidetracked by trying to figure out what Mozilla is. Just download it and find out later.' It would be nice if someone went through with a user-friendly stick and beat every page, at least a little bit.

    1. Re:Hmm.. by sphealey · · Score: 2
      I would say mozilla.org is about right for its intended audience - at least according to the project charter. It was (and maybe still is) intended that average joe customers would download a polished distribution from a provider such as Netscape, Opera, etc. Sort of like the difference between reading kernel.org and buying a Redhat package.

      sPh

    2. Re:Hmm.. by gabec · · Score: 1
      But the point is that if the major difference between Netscape and Mozilla is "polishing" then I would still think that Mozilla's chance to become a standard browser *itself* would be just as much a reality as Netscapes chance to regain even a small fraction of its former market share.

      After all, the major difference I saw between the two was AOL slipping little ad-fliers under every virtual carpet and into every virtual droor of my computer. If that's polishing send me back to Mozilla!

      Another question though is that, since Mozilla's major funding comes from Netscape/AOL/TIME/Warner, I would think they would be rather irate to see Moz take off as a browser (as compared to their own). Maybe not, maybe it would be more like "well, at least we're taking market share away from MS" ... but... I dunno :)

    3. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "chock full of unexplained keywords and high expectations of the customer's tech-savvy"

      Yeah, that just about sums up every open-source project in existance.

  10. At least they follow their own advice. by Mr+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unlike certain people railing against pop-up ads, THESE guys practice what they preach. Total time starting from www.humanlogic.com to end of purchase at Barnes and Nobles was less than a minute.

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    1. Re:At least they follow their own advice. by ackthpt · · Score: 2
      THESE guys practice what they preach. Total time starting from www.humanlogic.com to end of purchase at Barnes and Nobles was less than a minute.

      Which is an laudable accomplishment. Ebay has just changed their My Ebay page (see reactions here, sprung on users without any warning and it's awful. Perhaps a copy of this book should be sent their way.

      What you would hear 30 minutes before their web development team is fired:

      "The network connection to the conference room is down, but we're setting you up with a 56K modem for your presentation."
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    2. Re:At least they follow their own advice. by great+throwdini · · Score: 1

      Ebay has just changed their My Ebay page (see reactions here [ebay.com], sprung on users without any warning and it's awful.

      Amen. Though it's not really awful, just overdone. And the changeover doesn't really address the UI issues in the last design of eBay. Oddly enough, I think they tried to launch it a few days before it became permanent, as I recall it being there one moment, then gone in a few minutes ... two or so days later and *poof* it reappeared for good. What is definitely 'awful' is that is was sprung with no prior notice, as though the changes would somehow explain themselves to users.

      Note, too, that they've now added a little Flash widget on the front page of the site that scrolls various items. I wonder who told them that text creeping by horizontally in a Flash object would somehow improve sales...

    3. Re:At least they follow their own advice. by telbij · · Score: 2

      True, but their site is also not a big design challenge. They only have one or two goals to accomplish and not very much content.

  11. Hits close to home... by Ionized · · Score: 2, Funny

    One day our previous webmaster, in a fit of god-knows-what, decided to replace our old site with an unholy conglomeration of geometric shapes that constituted the links to other sections of the site. The orange square, for instance, linked to the personnel page, while the yellow circle linked to the upcoming events, et cetera. As if that wasn't bad enough, they actually floated around the page w/ flash! He thought this was very cutting edge and would impress people.

    He resigned shortly thereafter.

    1. Re:Hits close to home... by scott1853 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      http://riverwalk.ebaseinteractive.com/

      They're a web design company. I would think that they should realize nothing is quite as annoying as not having any text but in the ALT tags, so you have to hover over every graphic to find out if it's a link, and if so, where to.

    2. Re:Hits close to home... by shoppa · · Score: 2
      He resigned shortly thereafter.

      He probably got an offer-he-couldn't refuse from some up-and-coming dot com that had no product and thus no content.

    3. Re:Hits close to home... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, we didn't offer him a job.

      CmdrTaco.

  12. I'm helping a Liberal Arts major design a website by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 1

    It's hard to get her to understand that a class website is first and foremost a way to convey information, and secondly entertaining. She likes to have 1200*1600 resolution pictures of Lord of the Rings characters all over, piocked a color scheme of green-on-black, and uses ALL custom fonts.

    Maybe I should buy her this book, heh.

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  13. Web as Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    7. If you call the company on the phone, will you get the same experience that you get when you visit the corporate Web site?

    SO I'm going to get bounced back and forth through 3 web pages, and then their server will disappear?

  14. And also ... by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Before companies sink millions of dollars into the development of yet another annoying and impossible-to-use Web site, they need to ask themselves: ... Are the customers' computers fast enough to download all of the relevant material?
    And is the typical customer's bandwidth, even on a bad day, fast enough blah blah? (I saw one "interactive online service" which was prototyped by pulling information off a local CD. Surprise; it didn't make it to production. Not long afterwards, around 1996, I went on an interview where I would have been a manager in a very nice office with a window. My prospective boss tried to demo the site over a 10 Mbps LAN. The interview finished before the first page did. I let him know not to call me.-)

    Are the customers savvy enough to find their way to the cash register?
    More to the point, is the cash register findable? And can you use it without doing stupid stuff? (If you're selling me something, all you need is a method of payment, a billing address, and a shipping address. I shouldn't need an account or a password, though you're welcome to offer me one if you show me the benefits -- to *ME* -- of having one.)
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  15. Production For Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why Earl Williams did what he did.

  16. And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by Vengie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Will not replace HTML is simply put: The old era of _BLINKING_ text and hideous flash intros (should be) is dead. Many a "net savvy" site has reverted to the early days of the web -- white backgrounds and simple fast loading text. Layers are dead -- tables are back and frames are less overbearing. Thank god.

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    1. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "Will not replace HTML is simply put: The old era of _BLINKING_ text and hideous flash intros (should be) is dead. Many a "net savvy" site has reverted to the early days of the web -- white backgrounds and simple fast loading text. Layers are dead -- tables are back and frames are less overbearing."

      If you are on win32 and feel like playing god, then go and get The Proxomitron. It is a thoroughly developed tool that basically uses an advanced text-matching engine in concert with search/replace filters to re-write websites the way you want them to be seen. This is especially useful for killing banners, layers, nosy Javascript, changing colours, deleting unnecessary frames, etc.

    2. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

      If you are on win32 and feel like playing god, then go and get The Proxomitron

      no source, so one can only be Jesus

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    3. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by SloppyElvis · · Score: 2

      While HTML is here to stay, Flash does have a market, IMHO. Pizzaz may not be appropriate for corporate sites, but for diversions, its not so bad. You're right though, Flash is disappearing from corporate sites, so I agree with you on that end.

      As for XML, while it may not *replace* HTML, I don't think I shall ever need to hand write HTML (or have a design app write it for me) again. Given the extensibility of XML in defining an object model custom to the needs the business, the advance of schema and transformation technologies, and the push for W3C standard XML support in all web browsers, XML is here to stay, and will maintain a strong presence in corporate sites. Frameworks that take advantage of XML to generate HTML web sites integrate better with other corporate software systems, most prominently databases, if simply for the reason that HTML is clumsy and loosely enforced, whereas XML has a strong definition, can be validated to a schema, can represent a complex DOM, can be parsed efficiently, etc.... A handful of XML initialization files can define an entire site if the framework is shrewdly designed, making the site more extensible and more maintainable than would be if HTML were the only choice. A couple of bioler-plate XSL transformations (+ a few custom) can represent your data in more meaningful and modifiable ways than you can have with rote HTML. Server-side, big players Java and Microsoft both have excellent support for XML, and it is ever-growing.

      HTML has stagnated, because it is too sloppy to fix at this point, and object model standards were clobbered by Microsoft. That is why sites feed you 'Minimal-tag-HTML', and in most cases, I'd suspect it has been transformed from XML ala XSLT.

      XML + XSD + XSLT + CSS = better than HTML alone.

      Completely aside: if anyone who contributes to Mozilla in the XML - XSLT newsgroup, I've noticed that Mozilla doesn't recognize a transformation on an XSD if the extension is .xsd (it does if you rename the file to .xml), though XSD is valid xml syntax. Why would I do this? It makes for a nice documentation resource, and a transform on XSD requires almost no maintenence. I tried to post to the newsgroup, but here at work there is no news server, for security purposes, so alas, I could not.

    4. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to add that css is replacing the use of tables quite well for many designers including myself. Tables are meant to contain tabular data, not layout a site. Try them, learn to use them and you will never go back to nasty table cludges. Just don't expect wonders on NS 4.7 era browsers.

    5. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HTML has stagnated, because it is too sloppy to fix at this point, and object model standards were clobbered by Microsoft.

      I hear that complaint a lot, and can't help but laugh. MS has screwed up a lot things (and other companies), but HTML isn't there fault.

      Let's take a historical look. Tim Berniers-Lee created HTTP/HTML on a NeXT computer. The HTML specification was based on RTF, NeXT's native text formatting scheme. RTF... a Microsoft innovation.

      Then, Netscape popularized the web, and also popularized broken HTML, as they didn't support the standards, and invented new ones (blink, javascript, etc). The W3, in order to appear entirely irrelevant, basically took Netscape's broken extensions and rubberstamped them!

      In order for early version of IE to be useable, they had to work with pre-existing websites that were designed for NetScape, and often had horrible HTML.

      Of course, now that IE surpassed Netscape in speed, stability, functionality, etc, and Netscape has all but disappeared, MS gets blamed for HTML's sloppiness. Go figure!

    6. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Funny the Proximitron should come up...it has one of the most horrendous, ugly, vibrating color user interfaces I've ever used.

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    7. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HTML is here to stay, yes. But so is Flash and XML. Why not just cut out CSS and Javascript, too? Because they're needed. The best developers use use a full range of products/programming languages.

      One of your points boggles me. Why is eliminating layers a good thing? Used with CSS, they've performed a few miracles for me.

    8. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      And what does XML to do with that?!

      Don't know who's dimmer, you or the one who modded you up.

    9. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      "Funny the Proximitron should come up...it has one of the most horrendous, ugly, vibrating color user interfaces I've ever used."

      It is skinnable. Make your own colour scheme!

    10. Re:And one of the reasons why flash...and xml... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats not strange at all MSIE encourage sloppy web pages.

  17. Probably worth a read.... Statements are true. by puto · · Score: 2, Informative

    As an ad hoc web designer who is really a network engineer I agree with the comments about websites.

    99% of web designers I know will take a companpies site and turn it into some wonder of Flash, css, java, and while it looks great is unsuable to the regular Joe due to bandwidth issues, plug-ins, are un navigable. Can we say frames anyone? echh.

    I do websites with sidebar menus, no frames, and flash sparingly, and you can choose to see the flash or not.

    Also site with musical intros without volume controls, intros without a skip button...

    I also preview in Opera, Netscape, IE, and Mozilla.

    I am not the most creative or knowledable designer. But I am finding my side web business is growing because of the no frills sites I do.

    Puto

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    1. Re:Probably worth a read.... Statements are true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do web designers always jump to attack frames?

      One of the nicest things about some of my favorite websites are navigation frames. They make it easy to remember where you are and to get anywhere in the site, especially on a laptop (where using a touchpad can be annoying).

      On top of being simple, users tend to appreciate simplicity in a website. KISS and your users will love you.

      BTW this is TweeKinDaBahx, posting as an AC through a webproxy because of a few Mods that idolize Adolf Hitler.

    2. Re:Probably worth a read.... Statements are true. by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The sad part is that too often the person making the decisions has a fast computer on a fast connection with the latest version of IE, and they think this is how everyone's experience is. So web designers can not only get away with this crap, but too often their clients will be *begging* for it...

    3. Re:Probably worth a read.... Statements are true. by goldspider · · Score: 1
      I agree with you that Flash and Java often make a website unnecessarily clunky, but I'm not sure what your beef with CSS is.

      If anything, it makes the files smaller/site faster by keeping all the settings in one .CSS file. I know it makes it easier for me, as a psuedo-developer, to make changes that impact the entire site.

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    4. Re:Probably worth a read.... Statements are true. by RebelTycoon · · Score: 1
      The needs of the website are defined by what the customers require, not what looks kwel.

      I find most movie sites completely useless because they feel that I want to sit there and wait for their flash to load. I don't, just let me see to cute chick staring, the trailer, the release date.

      Don't make me wait for a glowing red eye on T3's site to brighten before I can just do ... Actually I never figured out what to do on that site. Is there any content yet?

      I to am not very gifted artistically, but guess what, if you are building e-commerce sites, looking at Amazon as a template is smart. I don't see flash, drop down DHTML menus, or code that breaks Netscape / Mozilla.

      Smart developers create in Netscape and test in Mozilla and IE.

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  18. Weighty? by Lozzer · · Score: 1

    But it's great to have a book like this on your shelf when you're trying to have a discussion with a co-worker who doesn't understand why corporate Web sites need to be user-friendly.

    Is that because its particularly heavy and will leave a good imprint in said co-workers skull?

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    1. Re:Weighty? by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      Is that because its particularly heavy and will leave a good imprint in said co-workers skull?

      Geez. Didn't you read the first line of the interview?

      Built for Use is the kind of book that can be slipped under a door...

      I figure it's about ten sheets and a staple.

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  19. Apache Worm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Apache worm in the wild, doo-dah, doo-dah. Strangely, IIS is not affected!

  20. A minor point ... by beer_maker · · Score: 3, Funny
    262 pages and you plan to 'slip it under the door' of your co-workers?

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    1. Re:A minor point ... by LAI · · Score: 1

      262 pages and you plan to 'slip it under the door' of your co-workers?

      She never mentioned which door. She must have meant the kind of door we all do most of our thinking behind, the one with a convenient 8-inch gap at the bottom. Some days we are more productive in a stall than in a cubicle.

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    2. Re:A minor point ... by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      She must have meant the kind of door we all do most of our thinking behind...

      If I'm catching your 'drift' (whew!) that's a good place to park your thinking behind.

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  21. books on that subject by dirvish · · Score: 2, Informative

    Other usefull books on the subject:

    Design of Everyday Things by Donald Norman

    Designing Web Usability by Jakob Nielsen

    Information architecture for the world wide web by Louis Rosenfeld & Peter Morville

    I think I got the titles and authors correct. I had to read them for a class and they were pretty good, especially for text books.

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    1. Re:books on that subject by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Informative

      I enjoyed Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing and it's free.

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    2. Re:books on that subject by meadd00d · · Score: 1
      The sight loads fast, but I haven't looked further than that, since it commits one of the worst web designs sins imaginable:

      pictures of the designer and their pet on the site!.

      No one cares what kind of dog you have.

    3. Re:books on that subject by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      I suppose, if you're put off that easily, that there are a great many things you will miss out on.

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    4. Re:books on that subject by meadd00d · · Score: 1
      Perhaps--though mostly, just pictures of web authors and their pets; it's a "pet peeve".

      I think it's fair to take a site on web design to task on its web design (re: irrelevant content). Though now that I see that the Alex of "Philip and Alex" is the dog, I'll defer judgement. ;-)

    5. Re:books on that subject by tchapin · · Score: 1
      Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug. This is the best book to give to someone who doesn't "get" interface design or usability and why they're important. The book is very well written, has a good sprinkling of screenshots, some decent humor, and is relatively short. I'd like to buy one for each of the members of our marketing department.

      It's the book I wish that I'd written.

      Todd

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  22. And yet... by Rikardon · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Not all useful sites need be "grayscale design," though. Just this morning, I was reading a new article by Don Norman (he of "The Design of Everyday Things" fame), wherein he acknowledges that the emotional impact of a design affects our ability to use it.

    "Yahoo-style" design is great for a directory, where the volume of information is such that speed and "cleanliness" are paramount: nobody expects the White Pages (or the Yellow Pages) to evoke oohs and aahs for their design: we expect them to be efficient, no-nonsense directories. But the design of other types of sites (or other software, or hardware for that matter) can be more complex, especially if one is creating a new interaction model and has precious few (if any) precedents on which to base one's design.

    1. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "especially if one is creating a new interaction"

      LOL. Another some piece of crap "cool" navigation that nobody is gonna waste their time trying to figure out.

  23. Re:I'm helping a Liberal Arts major design a websi by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

    you're wasting your fucking time. give the liberal arts major a wet rag and tell them to bus and wipe the kitchen table. then, while they're doing that, write them a web page. liberal arts majors cannot actually do anything, and teaching them to write a web page is equivalent to teaching a monkey to do surface integrals -- hope you've got some time on your hands, and nothing that depends on the outcome.

  24. the real solution to overdesigned websites... by paradesign · · Score: 2
    remove Flash.
    it destroys sites, reduces the intuitiveness of the web experience, and allows web designers to do "because they can."

    not to say that the program is bad, ive seen some really cool art exhibitions of flash demos, but they are just not cool on the net. they remind me of tags.

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    1. Re:the real solution to overdesigned websites... by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      You're sooooo wrong!!!!!!

      Sure, keep the navigation part of a web-site flash-free, but at the end of the day, there's nothing better than a good old fashioned game of mini-putt!
      (google for 'flash miniputt' to find it).

      _That's_ what Flash is good for - reminiscing about how games used to be on the C64, BBC, or ZX Spectrum!

      (in case you've missed my point, I'm actually agreeing with paradesign, for reference).

      YAWIAR.

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    2. Re:the real solution to overdesigned websites... by paradesign · · Score: 2
      all i gotta say is, fuck the 18th hole, 10 over par screwed my game. Grumble, grumble

      you have a point, flash is good for non serious/navigation/critical use.

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  25. I have said for a long time. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    that you should be able to get to any point in a web site with only three clicks from the front page.

    There are a few exceptions to this overall rule but 3 clicks is more than enough to get where you want to go. If it takes longer, people get frustrated and give up.

    So far, everyone I have said this to, web designers and others, all agree and have tried to implement this policy wherever they have control.

  26. In Case It's Slashdotted (+4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Built For Use
    Posted by timothy on Friday June 28, @11:00AM
    Teresa Esser writes "Karen Donoghue's new book, Built for Use: Driving Profitability Through the User Experience was clearly written for marketing professionals and upper level managers. Slashdot readers may find that some of the material in this book is intuitively obvious. But it's great to have a book like this on your shelf when you're trying to have a discussion with a co-worker who doesn't understand why corporate Web sites need to be user-friendly." Read on for the rest of her below. Built for Use: Driving Profitability Through the User Experience
    author Karen Donoghue
    pages 262
    publisher McGraw Hill
    rating 9 -- great for its intended audience
    reviewer Teresa Esser
    ISBN 0071383042
    summary Provides important information about how to make corporate Web sites user-friendly

    Built for Use is the kind of book that can be slipped under a door or surreptitiously dropped into a mailbox to make a point without wasting time on yet another useless conversation.

    The book is filled with tidbits like:

    The best Web sites don't necessarily come from the best designers.

    Frustrated artists with nose rings and black turtlenecks should not be allowed to turn a company's Web site into a piece of experimental non-performance art.

    Flashing lights are great for Las Vegas, but who wants to work in Las Vegas?
    Usability is not, and never has been, sexy. Grayscale sites like Yahoo! deliver value to their users because they load almost instantly and provide access to the things that people want.

    This is basic, logical, intuitively obvious stuff. Yet it seems like a lot of this material is completely foreign to many of the people who make the final decisions about what corporate Web sites are going to look like.

    As we move forward into a world where EZ-Passes will be used to finance fast-food purchases and where nanotechnologies will be woven into the threads of our jeans, it's important to learn -- and learn quickly -- that sexier is not always better.

    Before companies sink millions of dollars into the development of yet another annoying and impossible-to-use Web site, they need to ask themselves:

    Can the site be used by its intended audience?

    Do the customers understand the language on the site?

    Are the customers' computers fast enough to download all of the relevant material?

    Are the customers savvy enough to find their way to the cash register?

    Will the cash register accept the customers' money?

    Is the system completely integrated with the company's back-end software?

    If you call the company on the phone, will you get the same experience that you get when you visit the corporate Web site?

    Companies need to make sure they are delivering the same messages through their Web sites that they are delivering through their phone banks, through their television ad campaigns, and through their product delivery channels.
    If you say that you have sold me something, and you charge my credit card, then you had better deliver that thing to my door, and soon, or you will lose my trust.

    Slapping a Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval type "trust" sticker on some Web site does not build customer loyalty. Customer loyalty needs to be earned, one transaction at a time.

    Could you imagine how annoying the world would be if retail clothing chains like The Gap put invisible trip-wires in front of their clothing racks, so that whenever you reached for a pair of khakis you crashed to the ground?

    Could you imagine how annoying the world would be if retail stores covered all of their cash registers with a layer of Saran Wrap?

    That's basically what some Web sites are doing now. If a retail site looks great but you can't use it to buy anything, or to access interesting content, then the site stinks.

    If you work with marketers who desperately need to know a thing or two about user-experience strategy -- or maybe all nine -- hand them a copy of Built for Use. It will save time, and they'll praise you for allowing them to discover the truth on their own.

    This book has a website, located at http://www.humanlogic.com/. You can purchase Built for Use from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to submit yours, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

  27. What About Gov't Websites? by goldspider · · Score: 2

    Does this book cover, in any detail at all, the restrictions that policies (such as Section 508, security policies, etc.) put on the development of a user-friendly government website? I'm working on such a website and have found that user-friendly and compliant are often mutually exclusive.

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    "Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
    1. Re:What About Gov't Websites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the obivous web site for you analyze is www.section508.gov. This web site is layed out quite well, meets section 508 guidlines (hopefully), but may or may not help you write your HTML code.

  28. So, it's a long book then? by frascone · · Score: 1
    But it's great to have a book like this on your shelf when you're trying to have a discussion with a co- worker who doesn't understand why corporate Web sites need to be user-friendly.

    I assume, then, that this is a very heavy book, suitable for *bonking* co-workers with?

  29. Author's Site SUCKS! by zerosignal · · Score: 4, Funny

    No DTD, no alt text for images, uses depracated FONT tags...

    1. Re:Author's Site SUCKS! by Diamon · · Score: 2

      Also if you click the image of the book it takes you to amazon to buy it. A link with nothing to tell you what is will do taking you offsite with no way to get back other than the back button isn't good.

    2. Re:Author's Site SUCKS! by Kallahar · · Score: 2

      font tags are standard and backwards-compatible.

      Not everything has to be latest-greatest, go with what works.

      Travis

  30. Sex (y) sells by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Funny

    One of the main problems I've come across (in all sorts of jobs) is that the people who make the decisions often aren't fit to. as an example
    A traditional ass kissing contest may go something like.

    Ass kisser:
    "Hey boss look at this "sexy" pie I've made, everyone sure to buy it."

    Boss:
    "That looks great, and the wax coating sure makes it shine, why hasn't anyone else though of this."

    Block who does all the work (not me!):
    "Yea but it's made of dog food, tastes like shit, and falls apart in you hand making a mess everywhere"

    Boss:
    "I'm sure we can sort those minor problems out, and it looks so good. make me 1000"

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    thank God the internet isn't a human right.
  31. a companion article.. by gabec · · Score: 3, Informative
    http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/us-t ricks/

    This article presents "7 simple things most web-users don't know exist." Everything from editing the URL bar manually to produce desired results to new browser windows.

    "In one study, a site provided links to related books on Amazon.com, which opened in a second browser window. Using Amazon wasn't relevant to our test, so as soon as the page came up the users tried to back out. One pair of users, upon discovering the grayed-out 'Back' button, looked at each other with something akin to horror. "

    Granted these people might be techno-shmucks, but I think we geeks seem to forget that too easily. I found a lady just last year still using win 3.11 as her OS and was *irate* to find out that she was being forced to upgrade to a brand new PC. I had to spend hours with her explaining the new OS and even then she was *not* happy with the situation. These people do exist! ;)

    1. Re:a companion article.. by trapvector · · Score: 1

      "In one study, a site provided links to related books on Amazon.com, which opened in a second browser window. Using Amazon wasn't relevant to our test, so as soon as the page came up the users tried to back out. One pair of users, upon discovering the grayed-out 'Back' button, looked at each other with something akin to horror. "

      Granted these people might be techno-shmucks, but I think we geeks seem to forget that too easily. I found a lady just last year still using win 3.11 as her OS and was *irate* to find out that she was being forced to upgrade to a brand new PC. I had to spend hours with her explaining the new OS and even then she was *not* happy with the situation. These people do exist! ;)

      Call me cold and unfeeling, or even tell me that I'm an elitist, but I don't think everybody is meant to buy things over the Internet. Certainly there are many advantages and bargains to using the Net to get whatever it is you want (usually books, movies, video, and ebay junk). However, one must put a price on their time - for the average newbie, it's probably less expensive in terms of afternoons wasted and Aleve taken if they just go to B. Dalton (or B&N, or wherever) and buy their book from a cashier than try to understand the logic of a new window having no back button (notwithstanding that the original window is still there).

      In my town, our Big KMart has a self-service aisle. You scan your own purchases and pay for them yourself; the till will scan your credit card and has a slot for cash. Many people (particularly the elderly and the distracted-by-children) do not have the capacity to use said aisle; that's fine. They shouldn't have to. In fact, they just shouldn't, period. It slows them down, and it slows down those of us who would use the self-service aisle correctly. (Standing in line while an employee sorts out how one person managed to scan their purchases along with somebody else's, and then pay for it without noticing, can cause headaches and possible aneurysm.)

      Usability is vital, yes. However, no amount of usability will compensate for a human being holding the hand of a newbie who can barely navigate the Web., and no developer should waste their time trying to cater to those people. Doing so would prevent the use of many absolutely smashing features (such as the Amazon.com new-window trick mentioned above - that kicks ass) available to those who understand what their computers are doing/can do.

    2. Re:a companion article.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't that long ago that some politicians insisted that education would be wasted if it was given to the entire population.

      Web browsing is hardly a difficult activity and don't forget, as much as many companies hate "stupid" people, they all have something to give - money!

    3. Re:a companion article.. by Arandir · · Score: 1

      I found a lady just last year still using win 3.11 as her OS and was *irate* to find out that she was being forced to upgrade to a brand new PC.

      And I suspect that you helped *force* her to upgrade. What arrogance. Of course she was not happy with the situation. A bunch of strangers just descended on her life and told her it wasn't good enough! People can be perfectly happy without having to follow your ideals of happiness. Shocking but true.

      --
      A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
  32. Remember this one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

    btw this lameness filter is pretty dumb...can't even post a classic.

  33. usability links by scotfl · · Score: 4, Informative
    A few more usability sites:
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    "In my values, freedom is more important than 'serving users' in a mere practical sense." -- RMS
    1. Re:usability links by Miska · · Score: 1

      don't forget 'usability' is a part of the Computer Human Interaction or Interaction Design Field.

      lots and lots and lots of information about this topic can be found in ACM's digital library [www.acm.org/dl].

      ACM's Computer Human Interaction Special Interest Group (SIGCHI) [http://www.sigchi.org/] is _the_ place to look for those looking for more than mere _usabilty_.

      .

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    2. Re:usability links by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Here is another one for this list:

      Web Pages that Suck Sort of a "dont do this or you'll end up on my web site" site.

    3. Re:usability links by webword · · Score: 2

      For those folks that don't know about WebWord, it is a web site that has been around for nearly 4 years. It is focused on usability and human factors for the internet (web sites, email, browsers, etc.). News is posted to the site almost daily. There are two newsletters available to readers -- a daily update and a periodic update. Check out the subscriptions page for details.

      - John

      --
      How to Download YouTube Videos
    4. Re:usability links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's another site that /. readers might like that discusses software usability and web design.

      Croc O' Lyle
      http://crocolyle.blogspot.com/

      It also occasionally touches on overall software quality issues and software testing.

      Croc

  34. Re:In Case It's Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what in case slashdot is slashdotted?

  35. good writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't spell for shit, but I can from time to time write something that others can understand.

    All you have to do is:

    write in your style.

    Give you self an objective(s) (I'm gona find out how to install java), 'what's this mozilla all about then'
    .
    Then pretend you know nothing and try to accomplish your objective(s)

    When something gets in you way(e.g I don't understand what the word croumulant means), re-work the document so that it's clearly explained , or no longer becomes an obstacle.

  36. Battle Hymn of the Republic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    One Nation UNDER GOD!

    Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
    He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
    He has loosed the fateful lightening of His terrible swift sword
    His truth is marching on.

    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    His truth is marching on.

    I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
    They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps
    I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
    His day is marching on.

    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    His truth is marching on.

    I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnish`d rows of steel,
    "As ye deal with my contemners, So with you my grace shall deal;"
    Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel
    Since God is marching on.

    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    His truth is marching on.

    He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat
    He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat
    Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet!
    Our God is marching on.

    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    His truth is marching on.

    In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
    With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
    As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
    While God is marching on.

    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
    His truth is marching on.

    1. Re:Battle Hymn of the Republic by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 2

      Thank you. Fifty years from now, when school children are reading about the worldwide holocaust perpetrated by the Land of the Free® in the early 2000s, your post may give some insight into how the peaceful words of Yeshua ben David were perverted into this sort of sicko nationalism.

      Mod me down now. Put me in a concentration camp when you reach power, Hitler.

      --
      "What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
  37. The Linux Gay Conspiracy by pwpbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called alternative sexuality which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophiliaWhat better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linuxs most outspoken advocates Linus Torvalds is an anagram of slit anus or VD L clearly referring to himself by the first initial Richard M Stallman spokespervert for the Gaysexs Not Unusual movement is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad Alan Cox is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves meIm sure that Eric S Raymond composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre is probably an anagram of something queer but we dont need to look that far as we know hes always shoving a gun up some poor little boys rectum Update Eric S Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer Update the Second It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for Felch Male a disgusting practise For those not in the know felching is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own postcoital ejaculate out of the others rectum In fact it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of email turning it into emaleAs far as Richard Master Stallman goes that filthy fudgepacker was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Saloncom as saying the following Ive been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance he says Its about being able to question conventional wisdom he asserts I believe in love but not monogamy he says plainlyAnd this isnt a made up troll bullshit either He actually stated this tripe which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that hes a flaming homo slutSpeaking about flaming who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdots very own selfconfessed pederast Jon Katz Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name he has already confessed nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children To quote from the article linkedIve got a rare kidney disease I told her I have to go to the bathroom a lot You can come with me if you want but it takes a while Is that okay with you Do you want a note from my doctorIs this why you were touching your penis in the cinema Jon And letting the other boys touch it tooWe should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as Slashdots resident Gasbag Is there any more doubt For those fortunate few who arent aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux Sauce Code a Gasbag is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra or to use the common parlance pisspipe then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum This is of course when hes not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agendaSick disgusting antichristian perverts the lot of themIn addition many of the Linux distributions a distribution is the most common way to spread the faggots wares are run by faggot groups The Slackware distro is named after the Slackwear fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes Furthermore Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse a reference to the homosexual practise of anal fisting The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked which is what they doAnother distro abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like Disco which is where homosexuals preyed on young boys in the 1970s is Debian an anagram of in a bed which could be considered innocent enough after all a bed is both where we sleep and pray until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares Woody is obvious enough being a term for the erect male penis glistening with precum But far sicker is the phrase Frozen Potato that they use This filthy term again found in the secret homosexual Sauce Code refers to the solo homosexual practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen potato up his own rectum squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasmAnd Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpieceThe fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry For example the supermount tool was devised to allow deeper penetration which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland Automount is used on the other hand because Linux users are all fat and gay and need to mount each other automaticallyThe depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of mount points These are plainly speaking the different points of penetration The main one is obviously anus but there are others Militant fags even say there is no opt mount point because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of lifeMore evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love man even going so far as to say that all new Linux users who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda should try out man In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a manOther areas of the system also show Linuxs inherit gayness For example people are often told of the FAQ but how many innocent heterosexual Windows users know what this actually means The answer is shocking Faggot Anal Quest the voyage of discovery for newly converted fagsEven the title Slashdot originally referred to a homosexual practice Slashdot of course refers to the popular gay practice of bloodletting The Slashbots of course are those superzealous homosexuals who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users the depraved work of Satan httpwwwefforgThe editors of Slashdot also have homosexual names Hemos is obvious in itself being one vowel away from Homos But even more sickening is Commander Taco which sounds a bit like Commode in Taco filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement The best form of lubrication they insist Sometimes these Taco Commodes have special Salsa Sauce blood from a ruptured rectum and Cheese rancid flakes of penis discharge toppings And to make it even worse Slashdot runs on Apache The Apache server whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS is named after homosexual activity as everyone knows popular faggot band the Village People featured an Apache Indian and it is for him that this gay program is namedAnd thats not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fistingTo summarise Linux is gay Slash Dot is the graphical description of the space between a young boys scrotum and anus And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and disabled stumpers FEEDBACK What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do Im scared I actually read this whole thing I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this And actually take the time to do it too Although I think it was satire blah its early Anonymous Coward SlashdotWell the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux Sauce code once Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer and havent you always been worried about the phrase Monolithic Kernel this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race as well as a few of the major animal species It has shocked and disturbed me to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homocalypse which threatens to engulf our planet You must work for the government Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot wont be able to continue or something due to legal woes If i ever see your ugly face im going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass after its nice and hot to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours Anonymous Coward SlashdotDoesnt it give you a hardon to imagine your thick strong poker ramming its way up my most sacred of sphincters Youre beyond help my friend as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man Are you sure youre not Eric Raymond The government being populated by limpwristed liberals could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual child molesting Linux advocacy Hell theyve given NAMBLA free reign for years you really should post this logged in i wish i could remember jebuss password cuz id give it to you mighty jebus SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support However this document shall only ever be posted anonymously This is because the Open Sauce movement is a sham proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom I speak for the common man For any man who prefers the warm enveloping velvet folds of a womans vagina to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child These men being common decent folk dont have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture I am the unknown liberator ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS Anonymous Coward SlashdotWe shouldnt hate them we should pity them for the misguided fools they are Fanatical Linux zealouts need to be herded into camps for reeducation and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society This reeducation shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism Actually thats not at all how scrotal inflation works I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum Ive never tried this but you can read how to do it safely in case youre interested Before you moderate this down ask yourself honestly who are the real crazies people who do scrotal inflation or people who pay 1000 for a game console doubleh SlashdotWell it just goes to show that even the holy Linux sauce code is riddled with bugs that need fixing The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this with their queer slogan Given enough arms all rectums are shallow And anyway the PS2 sucks major cock and isnt worth the money Intellivision forever dude did u used to post on msnbcs nt bulletin board now that u are doing antigay posts u also need to start in with antiblack stuff too c u in church Anonymous Coward SlashdotFor one thing whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing NT is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film enjoying the restriction enforced onto them Remember a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church Clearly the only godfearing Christian operating system in existence is CPM The Christian Program Monitor All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems It is the only route to salvationSecondly this message is for every man Computers know no colour Not only that but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher And dont forget that slashdot was written in Perl which is just too close to Pearl Necklace for comfort oh wait thats something all you heterosexuals do I cant help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do FirstPosts on this site if it were redone in PHP I could handtype dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them phee SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a womans breasts squirting ones load up towards her neck and chin area it should be noted that Perl standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally is also close to Pearl Monocle Pearl Nosering and the ubiquitous Pearl EnemaOne scary thing about Perl is that it contains hidden homosexual messages Take the following code LWPSimple It looks innocuous enough doesnt it But look at the line closely There are two colons next to each other As Larry Balls to the Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate its programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of colon kissing whereby two homosexual queers spread their buttocks wide pressing their filthy torn sphincters together They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone This is also referred to in programming circles as Parameter PassingAnd PHP stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration Didnt you know Thank you for your valuable input on this I am sure you will be never forgotten BTW Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars Mars rulaa Eimernase SlashdotWell I dont know about terraforming Mars but I do know that homosexual Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years Thats inspiring Keep up the good work AC May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community and make it pure again Yours Cerberus Anonymous Coward Slashdot sniff That brings a tear to my eye Thank you once more for your kind support I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lords work but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man hereHowever I should be cautious about revealing your name Cerberus on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot It is a well known fact that the Kerberos documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing in intimate exacting detail how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals be they domesticated wild or mythical Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide treating it as an extension to the Linux Sauce Code for the sake of interoperability The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse their favourite kindIn fact sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties Love of Anal Naughtiness needless to say wherein they entice a stray dog known as the Samba Mount into their homes Up to four of these filthsodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect throbbing uncircumcised members conkersdeep into the rectum mouth and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal Eventually the Samba Mount collapses due to overload and needs to be rebooted ie kicked out into the street and left to fend for itself Many Linux users boast about their uptime in such situations Inspiring stuff If only all trolls were this quality Anonymous Coward SlashdotIf only indeed You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible I recommend 1 Underrated as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened BenderIf we can get just one of these postings up to at least 1 then it will be archived forever Others will learn of our struggle and join with us in our battle for freedom Its pathetic youve spent so much time writing this Anonymous Coward SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity that is Linux in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment As with any great opensource project you need someone asking this question so Ill do it When the hell is version 20 going to be ready Anonymous Coward SlashdotI could make an arrogant childish comment along the lines of Every time someone asks for 20 I wont release it for another 24 hours but the truth of the matter is that Im quite nervous of releasing a number two as I can guarantee some filthy shitslurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before Ive even had chance to wipe I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel you sexy hunk you Anonymous Coward SlashdotI sincerely hope youre Natalie Portman Dude nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading Try to distill the message whatever it was and maybe Ill read it As it is I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time 10 seconds is all its gonna take M to whoop Linuxs ass Vigilence is the price of Free as in libre from the fine frou frou French language Software Hack on fellow geeks and remember Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins Those godless oil drench bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons another fine fine French word and eat that Anyway try to keep your message focused and concise For concision is the soul of derision Way Anonymous Coward SlashdotWhat the fuck Ive read your gay conspiracy post version 130 and I must say Im impressed In particular I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gaybashing homos tend to be full of Thank you again Anonymous Coward SlashdotWell bugger me ooooh honey how insecure are you wann a little massage from deare bruci love you Anonymous Coward SlashdotFuck right offIMPORTANT This message needs to be heard Not HURD which is an acronym for Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator across the whole community so it has been released into the Public Domain You know that licence that we all had before those homoerotic cryptofascists came out with the GPL Gay Penetration License that is no more than an excuse to see whos got the biggest fecesencrusted cock I would have put this up on Freshmeat but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boyCome to think of it the whole concept of Source Control unnerves me because it sounds a bit like Sauce Control which is a description of the homosexual practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receivers scrotum And Open Sauce is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later Obviously Closed Sauce is the only Christian thing to do as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about Contributors although not to the eternal game of soggy biscuit that open sauce development has become Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward phee Anonymous Coward mighty jebus Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward doubleh Anonymous Coward Eimernase Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward Anonymous Coward Further contributions are welcome Current changes This version sent to FreeWIPO by Bring BackATV as plain text Reformatted everything added all links back in that we could match from the previous version many new ones Slashbot bait links Even more spelling fixed Who wrote this thing CmdrTaco himself Previous changes Yet more changes added Spelling fixed Feedback added Explanation of distro system Mount Point syntax described More filth regarding man and Slashdot Yet more fucking spelling fixed Fetchmail uncovered further More Slashbot baiting Apache exposed Distribution licence at foot of document ANUX A full Linux distribution Up your ass Feces Thrower

    -pwpbot

    1. Re:The Linux Gay Conspiracy by pwpbot by CmderTaco · · Score: -1

      Excellent observation... and props on the PWP

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      - Marco
  38. Purism by mccalli · · Score: 2
    ...as an aesthetic movement, rather than as an obsession. And yes, this is on topic.

    Around 1915/1930, an artistic movement arose in France called 'Purism'. The central tenant of Purism is that the 'masses' know better than the experts when it comes to design.

    So...lets take an example. A chair. A chair typically has four legs and and back. Totally unremarkable. You can, if you so desire, buy unusual chairs such as this Egg chair, but they are the exception rather than the norm.

    According to Purism, the four-legged chair wins. It has been accepted by the masses as functional and fit for purpose, whereas the Egg chair has been banished to the fringes.

    So how to apply to web design? Well, take everybody's favourite search engine - Google. Look at the interface. It's obvious where you type, it's obvious what you do with the results. The interface is quick and clean, without being flashy. It is a four-legged chair - functional, useful and ubiquitous.

    Now let's compare with the various graph-based graphical search engines. These have a slightly different purpose, but perform essentially the same job as Google. They are the Egg chair of the search engine world - esoteric, and banished to the fringes. Purism would eschew such designs.

    Now Purism has its faults - stick with, err..., 'pure' Purism and you'll never make any progress. New designs would be thin on the ground. However, there are some very useful lessons to be learned from the movement in my opinion - changing things for change's sake is bad, keep things clean, make things recognisable...you get the idea.

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Purism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need the French to tell me what I learned from experience: "Keep it simple, schmuck!"

    2. Re:Purism by alienmole · · Score: 1
      According to Purism, the four-legged chair wins. It has been accepted by the masses as functional and fit for purpose, whereas the Egg chair has been banished to the fringes.

      If you qualify this by saying "the four-legged chair wins as a chair for the masses", it becomes a truism. The Egg chair might appeal to artists and designers, and you might find it in some of their homes. So it's all about the audience you are after, which is exactly the point on the web: most web sites have to be designed for the masses, rather than other web designers.

    3. Re:Purism by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Yes! Finally the proof that McDonald's has the best food in the world!

  39. Our sites message by SampleMinded · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The software co I work for went from an elegent and simple website, to an over-designed monstrosity. Helplessly I sat by and watch the crime occur. Despite being the interface desinger for the software, the marketing guys would not even consider my perspective.

    From simple text based links, we got dropped down dhtml menus. From a simple logo graphic, we got business people high-fiving on the home page.

    Marketing believed that our site was not about giving information to users, and potential users of our software. Rather our site's purpose was to create an image of company(a false one)relating to our size and prior successes. Unfortunatly a book like this will not convince them otherwise.

    1. Re:Our sites message by JimDabell · · Score: 1

      I'll have to take your word for it - I went there and got a completely blank page.

    2. Re:Our sites message by br0ck · · Score: 1

      If you get nostalgic, you can visit the old versions at the Internet Archive. The more recent links work best.

    3. Re:Our sites message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the flash detection fails on my browser (galeon, Mozilla 1.0). Too bad

    4. Re:Our sites message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You need to enable javascript. Or you can choose between indexns.asp and indexie.asp. (They both look the same here in mozillaland.) Maybe they wrote a indexkonq.asp too. Who's to say? If I were designing the site, I wouldn't rely on some stupid sniffer to choose. Let the users decide on your welcoming page:

      Please choose the appropriate page for your browser:

      • indexie.asp
      • indexieold.asp
      • indexieveryold.asp
      • indexns4x.asp
      • indexns.asp
      • indexmoz.asp
      • indexkonq.asp
      • indexlynx.asp
      • indexopera.asp


      Uh, wait a second. This is getting too texty. There should be like a scrolling menu. So how does that start off?
      Function HMMM.DriveUsersAwayInDroves?
    5. Re:Our sites message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If it helps any future arguements, the site is unusable in my version of Opera. It kept popping up cookie requests and reloading the page until I got fed up and killed the window.

      Tell your marketing people that -- had I been a prospective customer -- that would have sent me elsewhere right there. If a software company can't be bothered to make their website usable, why should I expect their software to be usable? (I hope you have more luck in keeping them out of your interface designs.)

    6. Re:Our sites message by dagnabit · · Score: 1
      I tried to leave a message in the "Contact us" area, but got this error:

      Microsoft JET Database Engine-Fehler '80040e57'

      The field is too small to accept the amount of data you attempted to add. Try inserting or pasting less data.

      /includes/dataBase.asp, Zeile 135

      Guess they don't really want to hear from anyone... :)
    7. Re:Our sites message by ari{Dal} · · Score: 2

      I can totally sympathize. At my last job (i left a while ago thankfully.. bad bad bad place..), they insisted on flashing, animating, pop-up windowing, and blinking EVERYTHING.

      The 'opt-in' (wink wink) emails they sent were the worst. The guy in charge of the text considered himself a 'designer' too, and because he was related to the boss (sigh), he would sit over the designer's shoulder and point to words and say 'Make that one BIGGER', 'Now emphasis this word. i want it BOLD and make it RED'. It ended up being one huge bold, size 5 font email with so much emphasis that NOTHING stood out.

      I'm soooo glad i left. the place i work at now actually concentrates on one nice, useable, well designed site with emphasis on customer interaction, and actually DOES take measures to make sure that their newsletter mailing list only contains people that have specifically signed up for it, and promptly remove those who unsubscribe. it's good working at a place with a consciense.

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  40. Culture is not art by Storm+Damage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Art is a part of culture. A valuable one too, and I don't think anyone is denying that. But the discussion here is whether cutting edge art is appropriate for interactive service.

    Something can be beautiful to look at, and if all you ever intend to do is look at it, sure, pull out every stop to make it as awesome in appearance as you can. But sometimes you want to build something that will be used for more than just looking at. A corporate web site is optimally a tool for driving profitability. A good way to drive profitability is to faciliate commercial transactions between the corporation and its customers. A good way to facilitate commerical transactions is to make them quick, easy, inexpensive, and non-frustrating for both parties. Driving those transactions through an interface that is designed solely to look good with little thought on how easy it is to use is not necessarily a good way to accomplish the above.

    This is not to say that a functional and easy interface can't look good. Several sites have managed to build easy to use interfaces which are also attractive. But in these cases, designers have carefully planned out the function, and then optimized the form to implement the function in an attractive way.

    In order to accomplish this designers may have to constrain their creativity to work within certain parameters. For instance, Putting all the type on your site in a custom font might look great on your screen, but how does it look for someone who doesn't have that font? Forcing customers to download a font in order for a page to look good is a senseless frustration which does nothing to help them give you some money for your goods or services. On the other hand, there are plenty of ways to use fonts that are widely distributed, that can still look pretty good.

    Nobody is saying don't use any pictures on your site. Even using sparse graphics in place of ugly grey javascript order buttons isn't a capital sin, but if customers have to load a page full of large-size graphic files to choose an item/service to order, another page full of large-size graphic files to adjust the quantity, another page of large-size graphic files to enter a shipping address, another page of large-size graphic files to enter payment information, and another page of large-size graphic files to confirm the info they have entered and finally place the order, they might not be inclined to complete the whole process, and even if they are, you've paid a web designer a lot of money to waste a lot of people's time (not to mention the extra expense of bandwidth for you as a site owner to serve out all those graphics).

    Art doesn't have to be the exclusive realm of museums, but not every store has to be a museum, either. You can design and make things look good, and even a bit artistic, without going completely avant-garde and making your business harder to conduct.

    1. Re:Culture is not art by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      In order to accomplish this designers may have to constrain their creativity to work within certain parameters.

      It could be said that the constraints actually give one an opportunity to exercise their creativity. If an individual can only work a certain way then they are stagnant and not creative at all.

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      As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

  41. Bookmarking by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    Ever managed to bookmark a page on a flash site!!!

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  42. Hey, I resemble that remark... by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
    Flashing lights are great for Las Vegas, but who wants to work in Las Vegas?

    Better here than in the People's Republic of California. :-)

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    1. Re:Hey, I resemble that remark... by daeley · · Score: 2

      the People's Republic of California

      Crap, comrades, they finally noticed the bear and red star on the flag! (ref)

      And just for the record, I live in California, but I love life in Vegas. :)

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  43. yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    this "news" is complete shit. post something interesting you worthless cocksucker. this article is garbage and it's authoer is a DUMBFUCK.

    fuck you and fuck this site. i want INTERESTING STUFF NOW!!!@!@ YOU DUMBFUCKS!!!

  44. Slashdot Readers??!!? by joshsnow · · Score: 1

    Slashdot readers may find that some of the material in this book is intuitively obvious.
    An ironic statement, no doubt, especially in the light of the earlier Gnome2 review thread!!!!

  45. makes a good point by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

    I'd say Yahoo! is less of a good example nowadays than Google is. Yahoo!, with all its extra stuff now, has become somewhat confusing - yes, you can generally get where you need to go after a few clicks, but there's about a thousand other things you have to read to get there.

    Google on the other hand - log in, type a word, press enter, boom you're done. It's a pretty minimalist site and it works because of that.

  46. Re:In Case It's Slashdotted by tHiNk411 · · Score: 1

    In case its slashdoted? +4? This is the text from the Slashdot article at the top of the same page it is on! I didn't see anything in there from another website.

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  47. Art in the Employ of Commerce by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    Art, the very concept, is subjective. Simple placement of text can be artful, while the most beautifully rendered animated gif can be the reason users close the browser before receiving the message, because animated, flashing gifs are not merely annoying, but aggrevating (Slashdot, take a hint here!!!)

    There were a few very effective pages on Web Pages That Suck which brought how how Art can be highly effective, or a barrier to the target (i.e. don't put 2.5Meg of images on your home page, users on modems will lose interest) I personally dispise Flash homepages and have thus uninstalled it Flash, and good riddance.

    Conversely, Linux, if lead by people so dedicated to some technical aspect to the detriment of functionality would make your point, however, I think enough of Open Source and Linux projects have moved beyond that stage, hence Gnome and KDE. Looking back at software of 10 years ago should bring home that interfaces have gotten much better, though some were great to begin with and the bad ones have just been catching up.

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  48. Fred Barnesley, is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Sexual Apussy has now been officially unmasked. Heh!

    1. Re:Fred Barnesley, is that you? by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

      wha?

  49. Broken article ? by akintayo · · Score: 1

    Has anyone else noticed that this article's page is extremely wide ?

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  50. That's not what I'm talking about by Rikardon · · Score: 2
    I'm talking about software that does things that haven't been done before. For instance, the place I work for has created "meeting productivity" software, and in doing so we've had to answer some difficult questions: how do you let people switch between Goals, Agenda Items, Task Assignments, a whiteboard for doodling or adding pictures, and an Attachments section where you can attach relevant docs like PowerPoint presentations, etc? Can we follow the tabbed-interface model, or can't we? Why or why not?

    Furthermore: what should each of the above screens look like? How will people expect it to work? We've got no "prior art" to look at and say "well, the market leader does it this way, so we'll ape that." There IS no market leader, yet -- we're trying to create the market for this software; that's the whole point.

    This is just a very simple example of the kinds of interface questions we have been dealing with. A new interaction model doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to create a confusing website.

  51. Possible web book store entry for this book by Aceticon · · Score: 1

    Built for Use, Karen Donoghue

    'nough said

  52. Sounds familiar.. by alwayslurking · · Score: 1

    This site has been pushing the same "save the flashy stuff for art, make your store usable *first*" message for a long time. I still see mystery meat all the time though...

  53. Design isn't purely aesthetics, that's Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    1. The best Web sites don't necessarily come from the best designers.

    What a pointless statement. If designers don't design great Web sites then they are not the best web designers.

    Design isn't purely aesthetics, that's Art. All true design is about form and function, being creative within the technical and functional limits.

    1. Re:Design isn't purely aesthetics, that's Art by mccalli · · Score: 1
      The best Web sites don't necessarily come from the best designers.
      What a pointless statement. If designers don't design great Web sites then they are not the best web designers.

      The line doesn't state "best web designers". It purely states "best designers". That is to say, generalists.

      Cheers,
      Ian

  54. :P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then 99% of web designers you know shouldn't call themselves designers.

  55. Re:Author's Site SUCKS!... but by squaretorus · · Score: 2

    BUT - from the majority of users point of view it does what it needs to do - it conveys information about the book. So it fulfils most logical criteria of a successful website.

    You don't need all your DTDs etc for that!

    I'll agree that the image alts are a serious limitation for the blind - but hey! they can't read books anyway!

  56. What Planet? by broody · · Score: 1

    Talk about a story full of typos and statements to mock.

    Frustrated artists with nose rings and black turtlenecks should not be allowed to turn a company's Web site into a piece of experimental non-performance art.

    Damn it. All those unemployed web weenies in freak bars will be mouching beers even longer if this book takes off.

    ...it's important to learn -- and learn quickly -- that sexier is not always better.

    Sounds like pointy haired bosses and geeks share this thought. Suckers.

    Could you imagine how annoying the world would be if retail clothing chains like The Gap put invisible trip-wires in front of their clothing racks, so that whenever you reached for a pair of khakis you crashed to the ground?

    Considering I wouldn't be caught dead in most of the Gap's clothes, it sounds highly amusing.

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  57. to be fair by sugrshack · · Score: 1
    ... many of the least usable websites I've come across were designed by developers/techies.

    It's an unfortunate side-effect of the view of the general public as clueless idiots who keep looking for the "any" key on their keyboard... I've actually heard this argument: "if they can't find it on the site, they must be stupid."

    This is an extremely counter-productive approach to web design, at least if the people you are trying to reach are the general public (sites aimed at technically adept people can adhere to slightly looser guidelines), especially for e-commerce purposes. As much as we like to whine about the clueless masses, they are what provide the traffic to keep many of us employed.

    We like to pick on "marketing types," most of the time for very good reasons (e.g. "they don't understand the products they are trying to sell", etc.), but a good understanding of how people's process information is extremely useful and should not be ignored... sometimes it is these people who can help us. Remember, they are much like the audiences many sites are trying to reach.

    On another point, greyscale sites can be very good, but remember that most people process information visually; this means that clever use of graphics to draw attention to certain parts of a site can be very useful. Many people quickly lose interest if they see no pictures. Again, this depends on who the "target audience" is.

    Essentially, all I'm saying is that have to be careful not to let our arrogance be our achilles heel.

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    1. Re:to be fair by shoppa · · Score: 2
      greyscale sites can be very good, but remember that most people process information visually; this means that clever use of graphics to draw attention to certain parts of a site can be very useful

      I'd think the author would agree with you; it's just the extreme (Everything on the page is clever blinking rotating graphics) that she's against.

      Other good non-web examples can be found in Donald Norman's The Design of Everyday Things

    2. Re:to be fair by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 1

      I agree

      "if they can't find it on the site, they must be stupid." .

      So what if there stupid, stupid people's money works too. (maybe better)

    3. Re:to be fair by sugrshack · · Score: 1

      not if they can't figure out how to spend it...

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  58. Mr. T: Dead at 50 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It's a sad day, the great American icon Mr. T died of a heart attack this morning. :o( B.A. Baracus shall live on in our hearts, and we pity the poor old fool, God rest his soul.

  59. I would like to note by Com2Kid · · Score: 2

    That my site loads in under 5 seconds on most dial up connection, and that I soon plan on vastly enlarging it, but keeping the load times the same.

    (Every page is also run though TidyHTML before I upload it, ensuring that every last little byte is cut off of it.)

    I have entire image galleries smaller then single images on some websites. ^_^

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    1. Re:I would like to note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3.707 seconds for me on a cable modem. The site is nice and clean, well done overall. I could only suggest you try out a little css instead of using font tags and get rid of some of the BRs with a bit of css positioning. Nice site!

  60. Oh man, You are right! by af_robot · · Score: 1

    Tell me, who for the God's sake, will even bother to glance at a web site without flash animation, java applets, banners,activeX controls, popups and other modern browser features?!!
    It will be just a waste of our time!!!

  61. Should be expected... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Karen Donoghue's new book, Built for Use: Driving Profitability Through the User Experience was clearly written for marketing professionals and upper level managers. Slashdot readers may find that some of the material in this book is intuitively obvious.

    Shouldn't this be expected in a book written for marketing professionals and upper level managers?

  62. Meta Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • ...Mission critical...
    • ...b2b...
    • ...customer driven...
    • ...the Recent Events...

    Yep, all the marketing buzzwords are there. Buy this book so your tax guy can help you write it off. Don't forget to think outside the box!

  63. Re:In Case It's Slashdotted (+4, Funny) by SloppyElvis · · Score: 2

    LOL, You've got to be kidding me. Exactly who is moderating in here!?

  64. $19.57 on Amazon by wdavies · · Score: 2

    A self-motivated link to it on Amazon:

    Built for Use: Driving Profitability.... The price is $19.57, and will qualify for shipping of the order is over $50.

    Winton

  65. Re:I'm helping a Liberal Arts major design a websi by RebelTycoon · · Score: 1
    Wouldn't help... She'd see it as limiting her creativity...

    What you need is a Feedback button so that her students can directly yell at her. That way she will learn.

    The other choice is to get her students to submit their work on black paper with green text and insert pictures that have nothing to do with the assignment. Ask her after that if she is still having fun.

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  66. Or ... by puckhead · · Score: 1

    Write funnier posts ;)

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  67. Oxymorons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but putting the words "Microsoft" and "usability" in the same phrase creates an oxymoron on the order of "military intelligence", "compassionate conservative", and "Christian science".

  68. Another reason for site simplicity - protection by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    More and more browsers are now protected against obnoxious behavior by web sites. WebWasher for individuals has been around for years, but now there's a "WebWasher corporate firewall". Other companies offer similar products. If you want your site to display in business environments, it had better not do anything viewed as hostile by such firewalls.

    A good test is whether the site remains at least minimally usable with JavaScript turned off. If your site comes up blank with JavaScript off, there are probably users at corporate sites that see it that way.

  69. Re:In Case It's Slashdotted (+4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was AC... Does it matter?

  70. TIme to order this book by RembrandtX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering that I am the webmaster for a powertool company .. AND I happen to be owned by the marketing department.

    How frustrating do you think THAT is ..

    5-6 years of experience of working on corporate sites (my previous company was Comcast@home)
    (and before you scream 'web-weenie' I have the C.S. Degree to back it up .. just happened that at the time .. it payed very well to be able to do stuff on the web.)

    And WHOM do you think they ask first about pretty much anything ? There are folks in the accounting department that are more in touch with what we are going to be putting on our website.

    Currently two of our braintrusts in marketing are trying to convince each other how we should start using an *alternate* pre-packaged software to run our website .. because the current one keeps dying.

    because every marketer I know is a system anylist.

    Totally ignoring the fact that it was a marketing decision to buy it in the first place .. when IT suggested we just write our own.

    This is being closly followed by the idea that we can use flash .. or generate dynamic images to 'save work'

    because every marketer I know is also a graphic artist/programmer/dba.

    To be fair .. we have TWO guys with MBA's from Kellog's .. and *THEY* know what they are doing .. These are the guys who have cd's full of end consumer data and churn through it to find out what folks want.

    The others are all people who were promoted internally from TOTALLY non marketing positions .. who just come up with ideas of what they think we should do - with very little actual research.

    We spent over $3Mil developing a tool, plus the costs of manufactureing it, packageing it, and sending it to market. A month before it went on sale, someone had the bright idea to do customer focus group things about the tool.
    2 people out of about 110 said that they would buy it .. the rest said it wasn't worth the $$.

    what a thing to find out after its already done.

    but every marketer I know is psychic too.

    Im beginning to agree with Douglass Adams, lets put them on a colony ship with the phone sanatizers.

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  71. Re:Author's Site SUCKS!... but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you're just missing the point. "you DTDs" -- it's not like it's rare, dude. Get a brain.

  72. a point by KunstCleaver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously the best sites are easy to use AND pretty.

    Yahoo, I have always found to be a monstrosity myself. It is far too 'busy' and complicated. That's the main reason I have never used yahoo. I think yahoo also represents the worst of the old coporate design standards - cram as much as you can into one page... especially ads.

    Google, on the other hand, won me over immediately with their simple but functional design. When I first saw google, it was a breath of fresh air. Not only is it HIGHLY functional, but it is also generally regarded as EXCELLENT design.

    btw, I have always thought the main slashdot page was too loaded down with crap also (though the ads are handled nicely.) The first thing I did when I finally logged in as a user was turn off everything in the preferences.

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  73. Designing Web Usability Book by dananderson · · Score: 2

    My favorite usability book is Jakob Neilsen's Designing Web Usability: The Practice of Simplicity. His basic point is the web should be FAST and easy to navigate. Most people have modems and many have poor monitors. See also his website useit.com.

  74. Section 508 links by crystall · · Score: 1

    The Access-Board has some helpful Guidelines on 508 compliance.

    W3C publishes a handy wallet-sized quick reference card with 10 quick tips.

    I'm surprised that your experience is that accessibility and usability are mutually exclusive. Our experience is the opposite.

    1. Re:Section 508 links by goldspider · · Score: 1

      If our current website project were a simple HTML/JSP-page deal, 508 wouldn't be an issue. In fact I wish that's what it was, however we're using Oracle Portal which has a TON of native "features" which have caused alot of issues with 508 compliance.

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  75. Security ... by subsimian · · Score: 0

    Is the system completely integrated with the company's back-end software? Hmmm ....

  76. now if only the programmers listened... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...one thing that open-source coders need desperately to learn is to give a damn abou the user's experience. "User friendly" is practically a slur in the geek community, and the number one reason (that no one likes to talk about) that Linux is never going to be on the dekstop, while Apple OS X is a UNIX DESKTOP MARKET hit almost from the day it was released.

  77. Slashdot could learn from this as well by wowbagger · · Score: 2

    ... Considering that nowhere under the user preferences are there links to the Friend/Foe/Fan/Freaks links - you can get to them using http://slashdot.org/~/friend and so on, but there are no links to that.

    (Pantomimes flipping visor down, catching keys) "Are we learning yet?"

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  78. Mystery Meat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mozilla kills mystery meat (Advanced-->Scripts & Windows-->Allow webpages to: change status bar text). One thing I hate about Mozilla is that I'm having a hard time distinguishing between the good and the sucky. They're all pretty usable now. This is a problem when I pass on a link to somebody. Instead of inspecting the page source myself, I wouldn't mind an applet that lit up when loading pages with offensive code.

  79. Dilbert Lives! by UncleGizmo · · Score: 1
    The largest text element on the site is this:

    "Enterprise solutions that accelerate the solution process by turning information into results"

    Seems like someone's been using the Dilbert Mission Statement Generator again!

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  80. Functional vs. Graphic design by UncleGizmo · · Score: 1

    I think one point many folks miss is that functional design and graphic design, while both valuable, are two different things.

    Functional design [can I find info quickly, few mouse clicks, is it intuitive] is absolutely necessary. Graphic design [does it 'look' good] is helpful but should only add to the functional design experience.

    Unfortunately, many marketers and designers in business today -- likely because they 'grew up' in print media -- think graphic first, functional second.

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  81. What web designers don't often think of... by KC7GR · · Score: 2

    ...is how well a visually impaired (read: blind or legally blind) person can access the site. All too often, it seems, site designers think that flash intros and all kinds of graphics bloat will get a stronger message across than simple, easy-to-read (and quick-loading!) text and hyperlinks.

    I've lost count of the number of times my wife, who is legally blind, has mentioned this or that site to me that she couldn't make full use of because it was loaded down with non-meta tagged graphics, FLASH intros, etc. Ticketmaster is one example. She can check for events, but she's never had any success ordering tickets online.

    The fancy graphics are useless to her because she literally cannot see them. Worse than useless, in fact, because her screen-reader software (Jaws) won't even try to recognize them.

    E-commerce web site designers: If you must design a big flashy site that any Vegas producer would be proud of, fine. Knock yourselves out. HOWEVER -- Would you please also put in a text-only version of the site so that those with limited vision can at least shop around? At the very least, dump the FLASH intros and use meta tags on your graphics, OK?

    Thanks. From both of us. ;-)

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    Blue Feather Technologies

  82. Re:I'm helping a Liberal Arts major design a websi by DrMaurer · · Score: 1

    Limiting Creativity:

    Tell her that the best work has artificial constraints upon it. Obvious one is music. If you wanted true "creative control" you would use all the notes available, but most people (who know what they're doing) don't, but rather use scales, or a certain subset of notes.

    Happens in literature all the time, too, as in art. "Why limit yourself to oil paint? Because it helps you think "outside the box" to do stuff you want."

    Maybe. She might be a shitty artist and unwilling to experiment.

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  83. Re:I'm helping a Liberal Arts major design a websi by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2

    If it gets rid of the Enya midi's, it would be worth it.

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  84. Re:Author's Site SUCKS!... but by gorilla · · Score: 2

    Actually many blind people can read books, with a magnifier. Legally blind means that your eyesight is 1/20 or less of 'normal', but doesn't mean no eyesight at all.

  85. How programmers stole the web by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2

    I've always found this article a thoughtful commentary on the role techies have had in shaping the internet.

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  86. If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could you imagine how annoying the world would be if retail clothing chains like The Gap put invisible trip-wires in front of their clothing racks, so that whenever you reached for a pair of khakis you crashed to the ground?

    Are you kidding? I've had dreams about doing that very thing for years. We could only wish to live in such a perfect world.

    (/troll)

  87. Porn sites by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2

    While the java-script popups are annoying as hell and they try to lock you into their sites, most porn sites do a good job of actually displaying content on their main page (once you get past the warning section), and they make it very obvious how to buy their services. The consumer spends more time spanking the monkey and less time trying to punch it.

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  88. Shameless Plug by webword · · Score: 2

    WebWord Usability Weblog

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  89. Corperate web sites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about OSes? Oh, nevermind...

  90. Dammit. by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 2

    it's great to have a book like this on your shelf when you're trying to have a discussion with a co-worker who doesn't understand why corporate Web sites need to be user-friendly.

    ..or having a discussion with a Linux-using co-worker about why an OS needs to be user-friendly.</rant>

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  91. Re:Author's Site SUCKS!... but by squaretorus · · Score: 2

    Bugger! That kills ALL my blind jokes!

    Next you'll be telling me that paraplegics CAN climb mountains!

  92. Don't banish the phone sanitizers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im beginning to agree with Douglass Adams, lets put them on a colony ship with the phone sanatizers.

    Ah, you're forgetting that everyone on the planet died of phone-spread infections after the phone sanitizers were sent to crash^H^H^H^H^Hcolonize a new planet.

  93. Bullshit. by bcaulf · · Score: 1

    Bullshit. That's the way the Web works. Everyone understands the back button. In fact the very first things a new Web user learns are hyperlinks and the back button.

    The problem is people who complicate their sites with half baked solutions to this non-problem, such as spawning new windows or the about.com style frameset mixing content from two sites.

  94. It's worse than you think by bcaulf · · Score: 1

    The bandwidth thing is a lot worse than everyone thinks. We all know that most of the lusers out there are on a 56k or worse. We should all know that they are not generally getting 56kb/s of bandwidth, that the common numbers are in the 28-44 kb/s range. But we should also keep in mind that people multitask. Poor idiots on a dialup are not connected 24/7, so they are more likely to have that Kazaa/service pack/game demo/background page load running. To work really well for a dialup user, a site should run nicely on half of a 30 kb/s link. That means responding well, say within 10 secs. on 2KB/s, which means loading 20KB/page or less. Much less would be better of course.