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Yellow Dog Linux 2.3 Released

pinqkandi writes "Yesterday, TerraSoft Solutions announced its next generation of its PowerPC Linux, Yellow Dog 2.3. New in this version is Kernel 2.4.19, KDE 3.0.1, CUPS printing, and OpenOffice 1.0, among other updates of included applications. It is available immediately from TerraSoft's online store for $30, or $60 if you want personal support for 60 days."

173 comments

  1. Pardon me, by CmdrTaco+(troll) · · Score: -1

    but may I interest you in this first post?

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    I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
    1. Re:Pardon me, by geeky-troll · · Score: -1

      I think you meant this image from the google cache (slashdotted already!)

    2. Re:Pardon me, by News+For+Turds · · Score: -1

      fuckfacethemadmadmotherfucker

      Slashdot requires you to wait 20 seconds between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment.

      It's been 8 seconds since you hit 'reply'!

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      -- You are such a fucking fag
  2. Frisssst plost! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Yeah. I am the bungi!

    1. Re:Frisssst plost! by News+For+Turds · · Score: -1

      You stupid fucking AC scum. You will NEVER get the fr0sty p1st as long as the CLIT is in town. Please go to hell now. Thank you. Your loving friend, News For Turds P.S. - u r teh sux

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      -- You are such a fucking fag
    2. Re:Frisssst plost! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Let me know when your mommy lets you know what a clit is.....

      Or I could just show you her pictures, if you'd rather....

  3. Episode 4: Mist (comment!) by Walmart+Security · · Score: -1

    I

    I'd always been incredulous of the rumors surrounding the metropolis. Surely it was no more a prodigious city than Jasper! In a matter of hours, I would determine the validity of the hyperbole that others had shared with me.

    "Hey, Peter!" exclaimed Robert, pointing at a modernly painted car. "It's over here. Come check it out!" It was obvious that the luxurious pink car was a rental, for a label was affixed to its rear, near the words "Dodge Neon." I approached the passenger side door.

    "It's unlocked. Get in!" Robert was certainly enthusiastic about his acquisition of such an immaculate automobile. Despite his enthusiasm, I was somewhat apprehensive about driving with him. After all, his patrol cart accident had resulted in a somewhat undesirable trip to the hospital for both of us! As I began to enter the car, I was startled by a sound that resembled a click. I hadn't a moment to lose. During my descent to the ground, the clicking noise was followed by an enormous roar. At that point I realized that my protege was merely starting the car.

    "Listen to this bad boy," he said as he revved the Neon's engine, producing a recurring shrill that may have emanated from an engine belt. "Hah! Almost a sportscar!" Once again, I felt as though I was a simpleton instead of a sophisticated, elaborately trained guardsman. But I had been in the hospital, so perhaps my sense of danger wasn't as accurate as it had been prior to the accident. I felt it important to remember an axiom that had been shared with me on numerous occasions: Time heals everything.

    According to my road map, we would encounter many different cities en route, including Livingston, Cleveland, and New Caney. Two of them were surrounded by hyperbole similar to that of Houston. "The nightlife in Cleveland is invigorating," was among intelligence shared with me by an accented, travelling man. "Lake Livingston is more beautiful than Aruba," a native had said. Aside from New Caney, I possessed valid intelligence about our primary route. If we weren't fulfilling a mission, I would have attempted to confirm it all personally.

    "Robert, we may have to drive for hours," I said, settling into the fabric seat of the Neon and anticipating the exciting perils of the journey ahead. "Can you handle it?" I strongly considered fretting when my trainee responded with a smile reminiscent of the one he exhibited shortly before our collision with the SUV. However, I remained calm, for I hadn't yet observed the negative augury that was a reflective, silver star.

    As we exited the parking lot, I observed that the blue sky overhead was entering a transition to darkness. Clouds were beginning to appear on the horizon. Robert drove expeditiously, occasionally nearing speeds of fourty-five miles per hour. The precision with which he drove indicated his adeptness and experience. While I was genuinely impressed by my protege, I didn't understand why the other drivers insisted on inundating us with an unnerving blast of their horn as they passed. These occurances became more frequent after we entered a road that had been assigned the name US 190. It was here that our bizarre journey truly began.

    II

    "I've never driven in these conditions," said Robert, as light rain began to cover the windshield of our luxury car. "Um, uh... Oh, yeah, here's the wiper switch." Instead of the mundane sound of the wipers' rubber removing water from glass, we were greeted by a sound similar to that of fingernails being driven into a chalkboard. The temptation existed for me to cover my ears, but I realized that my protege required assistance.

    "Turn them off!" I yelled frantically.

    Robert pressed the switch almost instantaneously, disabling the malfunctioning wipers. "Maybe I turned on the windshield cleaning mode?"

    "No, no," I informed him. "There aren't any wiper blades! We're being sabotaged!" Our ability to see was hampered by scratches that had appeared in the windshield. The rapidly degrading weather conditions outside weren't of any assistance, either. It was absolutely imperative that we exit the road. At that moment, I spotted a Dairy Queen sign on an adjacent street.

    "Robert, turn left. Quick!" I commanded my protege, who complied without hesitation. As I watched him correct the car's direction, I realized that something was surely amiss. Our automobile was skidding!

    "Peter, help me. I can't stop it!" My trainee had emitted a distress call. I was required to respond immediately and effectively! In a heroic manner, I seized control of the steering wheel and used all of my strength to turn the car in the direction of the skid. Miraculously, the car became motionless less than a moment later.

    "Robert, are you okay?" I queried. He continued to the Dairy Queen's parking lot cautiously. Not once did he utter a word.

    Emerging from the vehicle with a shirt shielding my head from the drizzle, my keen sense of smell observed that the road had become aromatic with the smells of rain, oil, and asphalt. The humid conditions and darkened sky overhead, illuminated occasionally by a strike of lightning, only heightened our sense of foreboding. We rushed quickly to the more pleasant confines of Woodville's Dairy Queen.

    "Bad weather out there, huh friends?" the accented cashier greeted us with a chuckle. "Yeah, we had us a tornader out there just last week, huh. See that toppled tree right over there? Well, anyway, name's Thomas. What's yours?"

    An elderly oak tree, possibly existent for a century, had been uprooted near the road. Neither Robert nor myself had been aware of its presence until Thomas had pointed it out. "My name is Peter," I replied, pointing a finger. "And that's Robert. Do you mind if we stay here until this storm is over?"

    "Naw, naw. Not at all!" Thomas was around forty-five, perhaps as much as fifty years of age. Thin gray strands were becoming interspersed throughout his jet black hair. He was a relatively small man, only five feet and four inches in stature. My approximation was derived from the fact that he was somewhat shorter than myself, a man of five and a half feet.

    I conversed casually with him, as I had the hospital nurse, about trivial matters such as ice cream and old trucks. As I glanced outside, I was aghast at the sight of a most frightening image: a car with the notoriously iconic silver star affixed to both its front and its rear passed by the Dairy Queen, apparently oblivious to or unaffected by the weather outside. I'd observed a most negative omen. As hail began to relentlessly pelt the tin roof of the restaurant, Robert, Thomas, and I realized silently that we would be at the mercy of whatever followed it...

    III

    "I saw it too," whispered Robert, noticing my face. It'd been rendered a shade or two more pale by the sighting.

    "Saw what, man? What was I 'sposed to see?" It was evident that our newly discovered friend hadn't yet been informed of the dangers we faced as a result of our vision. I proceeded to enlighten him.

    "Whenever you see a three-pointed star affixed to a vehicle, it's a bad omen. You see, Robert and I discovered this while patrolling."

    "Patrollin'? What'chu patrol?" He'd grown more inquisitive, his eyes reduced to mere slits. Perhaps Thomas hadn't ever encountered two elite security guards before.

    "Oh, we're security guards. We've saved the world numerous times. But you see, a man crashed into our security patrol vehicle during a routine mission to protect automobiles from rogue shopping carts. Attached to his car was a star that we've observed to be a negative omen on many occasions. Always avoid it. Always. It could save you the expense of your life."

    "What a load of boohickey!" Thomas retorted. Apparently, he had decided not to heed our stern warning. He began laughing incessantly. "Good story, though. Huh! You both deserve a Blizzard for that!"

    I'd once before sampled a "Blizzard" in a Jasper Dairy Queen. It was a ubiquitous fact that they most likely contained a depressant similar to alcohol. His attempt to serve me such a "frozen treat" led me to believe that he could be part of what I now call the Three Pointed Conspiracy. It was imperative that I not accept any of his offers and shield Robert from his evil.

    I denied his offer with a simple "No, thank you."

    "Fair 'nuff," he said. "Just thought I'd offer ya one." A member of the Three Pointed Conspiracy, it was certainly possible that he was attempting to lull me into a sense of complacency. I couldn't lower my guard.

    Robert, however, was more susceptible to his attack. "Hey, I'll take one of those!" he exclaimed. As Robert glanced in my direction, I shook my head in a stern, horizontal manner. Upon consuming even a fraction of the Blizzard, he would grow more delusional and less aware of the conspiracy around him. Since my head shake had gone unacknowledged, the fact that we needed to vacate the Dairy Queen prematurely became more distinct. After a moment of consideration, I grabbed his arm and began to run for the door. Hopefully Thomas (if that wasn't a pseudonym assigned by the Conspiracy) wouldn't consider our departure abnormal.

    "Oh, look, the sky. It's clearing. Robert, we must depart!" I shouted, attempting to confuse the cashier and delay his inevitable, hostile reaction.

    "Where are we going, Peter?" Robert questioned me almost inaudibly as we ran to the Neon through the downpour of rain.

    "We must leave here, Robert. That man is an agent of a conspiracy with a scale of which has never been seen!" I urgently informed him. He tossed me the keys to the Neon. As I unlocked my door, another bolt of lightning crackled overhead. It must have been nearing sunset, for the strike was more brilliant than any of the others that day.

    After starting the engine, I unlocked Robert's door. "I'm cold," he said, shivering and eyeing the air conditioner vent as he fastened his seat belt. "Do you mind?"

    "No, not at all," I replied. I'd become uncomfortably chilled as well. Thomas, apparently, wasn't making any effort to pursue us. We entered the rain covered US 190, once again bound for Houston.

    IV

    It'd been years since I'd last driven an automobile aside from our elite patrol vehicle. If it weren't possible that members of the Three Pointed Conspiracy were following us, I would've considered detouring once the storm was over, for no reason other than to enjoy the feeling.

    After a few moments, the road around us became dark. The thick storm clouds overhead obscured any moonlight. If not for our luxury car's headlights, we would have been completely unable to see. US 190 was deserted; there wasn't another car in sight. Moderate rain continued to strike the roof of our car in a manner that was almost relaxing. I glanced quickly over at Robert, who'd been silent for the past few minutes. He had fallen asleep.

    The moderate to heavy rain that we'd experienced since Woodville was replaced by a light mist as we entered Livingston. Although the weather here had improved noticeably, fallen trees and a power line lying close to the road indicated that the storm had recently passed through. I nudged Robert with my elbow, who responded with a groan.

    After many fruitless attempts, he finally awoke, responding in a groggy voice. "Yeah, Peter?"

    He would've been furious if I'd been his subordinate instead of his commander, but I was pleased by his lack of hostility. "Would you mind checking the roadmap for directions?"

    "Uh, sure. Actually, can we stop here first?" He pointed at an Exxon gasoline station.

    "Are you sick?" I asked with concern.

    "Um, no," he replied. "I want a snack."

    His request was reasonable, I decided. Besides, the car would soon require a fuel replinishment and I was becoming somewhat uncomfortable from driving. "Go inside and buy whatever you want," I instructed him as I handed him a fifty dollar bill. "But be sure to pay for twenty-five dollars worth of gas."

    "Okay," he replied as I positioned the car alongside a gasoline pump.

    "On second thought," I told him, "I'll go with you."

    He handed the fifty dollar bill back to me. The store itself was ancient, but seemed to have been well maintained. I followed Robert as he selected a Sprite and a bag of potato chips, then to the cashier's register.

    "You guys are the first customers I've had all night," the woman said. "You must be on pump four. Heh, you haven't pumped any gas yet. Prepayin'?"

    I stepped up. "Yes, twenty-five dollars."

    She began scanning the products' barcodes. "Alright then, I'll ring this stuff up. Heh, bad storm here earlier. Was a twister that tore two houses down, news said. You boys didn't drive through it?"

    "Yes, we did," I replied solemnly.

    "Heh, brave. Well, your total's forty even." I relinquished the fifty. "Ten dollars change, then. Here ya go."

    As I pumped the gasoline, I watched the gnats swarm the flourescent light overhead. Once I'd finished returning the pumping device to its holder, our trip resumed. "So, where do we go from here?" I asked Robert as I reassumed my seat behind the wheel.

    "Interstate 59," he replied while chewing on a potato chip. "It should take us all the way into Houston."

    "Right," I replied, the car's engine sputtering lightly as it started.

  4. 2.4.19 kernel? by Clue4All · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps they'll be willing to share it with the rest of us. I've been waiting for it for a few months now and still can't get it. ;-)

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    Is your browser retarded?
    1. Re:2.4.19 kernel? by felipeal · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought that was a typical /. editor's gaffe, but it's actually YDL's fault:

      YDL 2.3 surpasses YDL 2.2 with an array of timely updates, improvements: kernel 2.4.19, the 'Liquid' theme, CUPS print system, apt-get, OpenOffice 1.0, Mozilla 0.9.9, Galeon 1.2, Evolution 1.0.5, AbiWord 1.0.2, netatalk 1.5.3.1, and support for the Radeon 7500 (excluding 'Mobility') video card.

      The funny thing is, already they're a step ahead on the kernel, they are one behind on mozilla...

    2. Re:2.4.19 kernel? by Juhaa · · Score: 1

      They are behind on everthing but the Kernel. My debian PPC shows Galeon 1.2.5, Mozilla 1 RC something (I use Galeon but it backends with Mozilla), Evolution 1.0.7, and actual apt-get :)

    3. Re:2.4.19 kernel? by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's 2.4.19-RC1?

    4. Re:2.4.19 kernel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you think so? Really? I never thought of that. Wow. You sure are smart.

    5. Re:2.4.19 kernel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      YOU DARE MOCK THE GREAT YOTTABYTE?!?! I SHALL BYTE YOUR HEAD OFF, MUWHAHAH...
      Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
      Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
      Well, yes, that was the idea.
  5. Off topic... by nickos · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Please read
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    I admire the USA in many ways. There are many parts of its constitution which stand as guiding principles for other countries around the globe. Indeed, the US has fared so well because it understands the importance of the liberal values of democracy and transparency in its affairs, and long may that last. The chief tenant of transparency and the openness of the state and other controlling powers is, as the founding fathers knew, manifested by the right to free speach. By circumventing (whether through commercial monopolies or government) the abilty to send information from one person to another (a pre-internet analogue - talking), recent proposals are surely in breach of its constitution.

    As most will agree nowadays, economic progess is best achieved by letting Adam Smith have his way. As all good economics students know, commercial enterprises change and adapt. They always have done and they always will - Shakespeare didn't have Intellectual Property but prospered never the less. How can it be that I can say whatever I like with my voice, but I cannot necessarily transmit data with a modem - surely the medium is unimportant? Most people would call that censorship.

    "They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

    Please vote against/use your powers to prevent XYZ.

    your name/NickWKG
    --
    Hopefully, this post will become a good piece of source material with which to lobby your political representative. Please improve and add to this argument (and repost it). I believe that the constitutional angle will strike more of a chord than any technical argument.

    I'm an EU citizen, but this post is aimed at the US because the EU has a nasty habit of following whatever the USA does, so whatever happens in the states happens here too :(

    Best to stop this shite at the source.

  6. review by larry+bagina · · Score: -1, Troll
    There's a review of it here. Looks like they've added support for a lot more Macintosh hardware. Kudos to yellow dog and the PPC linux kernel programmers.

    Thanks!

    --
    Do you even lift?

    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    1. Re:review by xdfgf · · Score: -1

      Excellent post sir!

    2. Re:review by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      "There's a review of it here. Looks like they've added support for a lot more Macintosh hardware. Kudos to yellow dog and the PPC linux kernel programmers."

      I love you, man. Talk about some nice hardware support! Let's go act out that "review" in the men's room.

      --

      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

  7. Kernel 2.4.19 by daserver · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kernel.org says 2.4.19rc1

  8. Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1
    THE TROLL POLKA (ARSCHFICKEN MIT ZIEGEN) By Serial Troller Is das nicht ein early post? Ja! Das ist mein early post! Is das nicht ein Goatse ghost? Ja! Das ist mein Goatse ghost! Early post, Goatse ghost, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Slashdot sucks! Is das post at minus one? Ja! Das ist at minus one! Is das trolling so much fun? Ja! Das trolling is so fun! Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Slashdot sucks! Is das nicht ein big crapflood? Ja! Das ist mein big crapflood! Is it worthless Linux FUD? Ja! Das ist mein Linux FUD! Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Slashdot sucks! Is das nicht der CowBoiKneel? Ja! Das ist der CowBoiKneel! Is dis nicht his manchode meal? Ja! Das ist his manchode meal! CowBoiKneel, manchode meal, Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Slashdot sucks! Is das nicht ein WIPO Troll? Ja! Das ist der WIPO Troll! Is das nicht ein Goatse hole? Ja! Das ist der Goatse hole! WIPO Troll, Goatse hole, CowBoiKneel, manchode meal, Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun,Early post, Goatse ghost, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Slashdot sucks! Is das nicht Jon Katz slave boys? Ja! Das ist Jon Katz slave boys! Und arent they Tacos sex toys? Ja! They are Tacos sex toys! Katz slave boys, Robs sex toys, WIPO Troll, Goatse hole, CowBoiKneel, manchode meal, Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Slashdot sucks! Is das nicht ein trolltalk thread? Ja! Das ist ein trolltalk thread! Is it nicht now FUCKING DEAD? Ja! Is really FUCKING DEAD! Trolltalk thread, FUCKING DEAD, Katz slave boys, Robs sex toys, WIPO Troll, Goatse hole, CowBoiKneel, manchode meal, Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Oh, du schöne, Slashdot sucks!

    ____________________

    Change Log:

    • Subtle changes to most verses. It sounded really gay before.
    • Removed all references to Tacos pud. May have been high at time. Will investigate further.
    • Finally think I have
    • goat sex written correctly in German. I think. Arschficken?

    © 2002 Serial Troller. Permission to reproduce this document is granted provided that you send all the bukkake porn you can find to serialtroller@hotmail.com.

    --

    Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

    -- Alan Cox

    1. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Wonderful. Brilliant even.

    2. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      I love you.
      Have sex with me in the men's room?

      --

      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

    3. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      Cain y'alls'splain how one's does one-dem "sex in da men's room"? I's jus'er'li'l curjus.

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      Mamma look!

    4. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      How about if I just shoot you right now? God forbid you should ever reproduce...

      --

      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

    5. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      Cain y'alls'splain what's one-dem "shoot"? I done's that whit' mah pernis b'foh.

      --

      --
      Mamma look!

    6. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      Aren't you redneck colonists over there born with rifles in your hands?

      --

      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

    7. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      Yep. We's be-ee-an shootin' 'em off since we's litter booger heads.... or so they tell me. I never did figure out the joy in "huntin' "

      --

      --
      Mamma look!

    8. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1
      --

      --
      Mamma look!

    9. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      Well, shooting them isn't the point, you dolt! You're supposed to fuck 'em first! Then shoot 'em so they don't tell on ya -- wait, are we talking about animals or smooth little boys?

      --

      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

    10. Re:Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      I wouldn't know, I'm not into goat sex or boy sex

      --

      --
      Mamma look!

  9. YDL vs. OSX by conan_albrecht · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I purchased a titanium powerbook just for the purpose of running YDL 2.2 on it. (I liked the style of the powerbook--still do). I purchased YDL and found it very well put together. I was very impressed with it.

    However, after a few weeks of playing with OS X (I left a small OSX partition), I erased YDL and now I work exclusively in OS X. The Linux desktops just don't compare to it, and MS Office runs on OS X as well. I don't personally use it Office, but it's nice to have when I working with others.

    In sum, YDL would be great for older Apple hardware that won't run OS X. If you have newer hardware, OS X is wonderful for a desktop machine.

    1. Re:YDL vs. OSX by betis70 · · Score: 1

      OS X rocks for TiBooks too.

      Looking forward to picking up mine tonight at the Apple Store ... Cocoa programming, here I come.

      I might look at YDL for an older PowerPC Mac I have in storage. Would make a great companion to my (growing) stable of resucitated computers (debian laptop and P100 mid-tower).

      --
      I forget...are we at war with Eurasia or East Asia?
    2. Re:YDL vs. OSX by Glorat · · Score: 2

      I imagine there is virtually no contest between OSX and YDL. However, I have a PowerPC-8500/120 box with a G3 processor upgrade sitting next to me which I'm pretty sure can't run OSX

      The poor thing runs Mac OS 8.1 and is horribly buggy and unstable. If YDL can run on this and still be able to access the scanner and network printer, I think this could be a definite upgrade! Of course, the downside is that the ole Mac apps like QuarkXPress and Photoshop (user is a semi-retired freelance art director) won't be able to run so if real work is needed, the ole dual boot may be needed

      But please correct me if I'm wrong with any of this (or provide suggestions!)

    3. Re:YDL vs. OSX by sxe_p06 · · Score: 0

      Not everyone has a Mac that'll run OS X, yes, it's a good, pretty OS, but Aqua can be a HUGE memory hog(which is why it looks so pretty), so this is just an alternative. We can make i lightweight, and still have the powerful un*x console.

      I know I can't wait to get it on my old 6100/PPC.

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      -- p06 "On religious wars: They're essentially wars over whoo's imaginary friend is better"
    4. Re:YDL vs. OSX by rbrito · · Score: 1

      Well, seeing that you are running OS X exclusively, I'd like to ask you if you don't see any difference in performance when you compare Linux and OS X. I surely do with my iBook 2, but that's perhaps because I am using a G3-based machine.

      Just for reference, here are some links describing problems that I have with MacOS X and/or the iBook:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=33385&cid=3607 384
      http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/debian -powerpc-200206/msg00106.html
      http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/debian -powerpc-200205/msg00146.html
      href="http://cr.yp.to/hardware/ppc.html
      http://cr.yp.to/hardware/advice.html

      The last two articles aren't written by me, of course, but by D.J. Bernstein, who has a deep understanding of various architectures.

      Anyway, I would appreciate any help regarding the problems listed above, especially those addressed in the first link.

    5. Re:YDL vs. OSX by victwenty · · Score: 1
      so if real work is needed, the ole dual boot may be needed

      Actually, I believe YDL atleast used to come with MOL (Mac on Linux?) which allowed you to run Mac OS 8/9 applications on your linux desktop in much the same way that OS X does. So it makes sense to keep the OS 8 partition but you probably won't have to do any dual booting provided you have enough memory.

    6. Re:YDL vs. OSX by iggie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used all my old MacOS apps when running LinuxPPC through the magic of Mac-on-linux (MOL). Sorry no link, but you can hit Google as well as I can. This fabulous program would boot up MacOS in an X-Window (yes, you can do a remote X-session with it), or full-screen. I always had it in an X-Window, and everything runs at native speed (there's no emulation here). Networking, cut-n-paste, etc also worked. The fabulous thing was that if you needed the extra CPU cycles, MOL had a way to chache your MacOS session, so you could shut it down almost instantly, and bring it back up almost instantly too (about a second both ways). Give MOL a try. I haven't used Linux on Macs for about a year now (all OS X now), but when I did, it worked great this way.

    7. Re:YDL vs. OSX by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Oh come on. I think it's pretty obvious by now that with OS X vs. anything OS X wins! Expect againt a nice Mutton, Letuce, and Tomato... When the Mutton is nice and lean... nothing beats that. But that's not the issue, we all know OS X is the ultimate OS, now just think to sit down in front of OS X with a MTL...

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      I stole this Sig
    8. Re:YDL vs. OSX by Glorat · · Score: 1

      Indeed, as I have just found out. If it works, and I see no reason why it wouldn't, I'll be well impressed

    9. Re:YDL vs. OSX by cleal · · Score: 1
      Responding to your question re OS X on a PPC 8500 with a G3 upgrade card. It's doable, at least as far as OS X Server is concerned. I used the great little hack, XPostFacto, from Ryan Rempel at http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/ .

      I stopped using it because I decided the whole "Apple Server" thing was too oriented toward Mac only networks. I'll probably wipe the drive and put plain OS X on it in the future and use it for SMTP and backup storage.

      The Aqua GUI will probably be too slow for every day use though.

    10. Re:YDL vs. OSX by jchristopher · · Score: 1
      Well, seeing that you are running OS X exclusively, I'd like to ask you if you don't see any difference in performance when you compare Linux and OS X. I surely do with my iBook 2, but that's perhaps because I am using a G3-based machine.

      I used to dual boot Mandrake PPC and OS X 10.1.4. Speed difference? There is no question. Going between the two was like night and day.

      OS X was a slug, while Mandrake hummed right along. Web browsing especially was way faster under Linux. Booting back to OS X for 'real work' was always terribly disappointing. Waiting for a PROGRAM to do something complicated is one thing, but waiting for a GUI to do something simple is just unacceptable... I no longer own that iBook.

    11. Re:YDL vs. OSX by axxackall · · Score: 1
      just think to sit down in front of OS X

      I don't want to sit. I want to work. Linux is a perfect system to work - development, productivity, even home office - to work, what I want. OS X is a perfect system to sit and enjoy the view, what is not exactly I would want to limit myself. So, I run Linux (YDL) and work. And enjoy looking at how other people enjoy looking at results of my work.

      Does it make any sense?

      --

      Less is more !
    12. Re:YDL vs. OSX by eswan · · Score: 1

      I've got OSX running (well, limping) on an 8500/120 without a g3 upgrade using Xpostfacto. Extremely stable, and feels like it needs ram more than a cpu bump.

    13. Re:YDL vs. OSX by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      Your 8500 will most likely run Mac OS X - given that it has a G3 card, and assuming that it has at least 128MB of RAM (more is of course better).

      You'll need a utility to be able to do an unsupported install, such as XPostFacto (free) or Sonnet's software for $30, and you may want a utility to adjust your G3's cache.

      You should at least upgrade it to 9.1.

  10. you know, personal support is nice by lingqi · · Score: -1, Redundant
    ...or $60 if you want personal support for 60 days.

    a small off-topic muse here, but man i wish women comes with 2-month personal support for $60.

    whenever she throws a fit because you answered "does this dress make me look fat" etc you call up a 800 number, wait 45 min on the line, and viola.

    in fact, they (women) should come with man pages. sigh...

    --

    My life in the land of the rising sun.

    1. Re:you know, personal support is nice by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Easy answer- always agree to whatever she says UNLESS it starts with "Does blah blah..". The "Does" sentence is always a bad thing to agree with, so automatically say no!

      --
      Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
  11. freedom of choice is nice and all... by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but what really can this do that Darwin or OSX can't?

    1. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by bill.sheehan · · Score: 3, Funny
      Run acceptably on my iMac rev. A, for one thing. I've got enough memory for OSX, but "run" is not the operative word. "Saunter" or "Mosey" are more like it.

      I am Dyslexic of Borg. Resemblance is fertile. Your ass will be laminated.

    2. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by Bimble · · Score: 2

      It'll run more reliably and flexibly as a server, I'd say. As a desktop system, OS X is definitely better than Linux. Linux on PPC is more mature than Darwin, however, and requires fewer system resources to run than OS X.

      Of course there's also the fact that Linux supports more hardware on the PPC side than OS X or Darwin. Good luck running OS X on a Powermac 7200.

      --
      Naked.
    3. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      It can run at decent speeds on a Mac from 1999 or 2000. 'nuff said.

      --
      "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
    4. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux PPC supports far more hardware than OSX.

    5. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by jfeasel · · Score: 1

      I switched to YDL from OS X because I wanted to run X Windows apps. Sure, there is an X server for Darwin, but why not just go all of the way and use Linux? Also, back in the day that I tried it, there where so few apps available for OSX that dispite the (arguably) less mature GUI that Linux provides, the application base was far larger.

    6. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by Laplace · · Score: 2

      * Rip CDs to a format other than mp3
      * support for most scanners out of the box
      * virtual terminals (not gui terminal windows)

      Those are three important things to me

      --
      The middle mind speaks!
    7. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by momobaxter · · Score: 1

      Why would Linux run faster on a New World mac faster than something like Darwin? Not a troll, just trying to figure out why...

      --
      "Full sources for linux currently runs to about 200kB compressed" --Linus Torvalds 31-Jan-1992
    8. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by momobaxter · · Score: 1

      err more reliably and flexibly as a server than darwin... sorry, brain fart.

      --
      "Full sources for linux currently runs to about 200kB compressed" --Linus Torvalds 31-Jan-1992
    9. Re:freedom of choice is nice and all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Rip CDs to a format other than mp3

      wow, you must be elite. I can do that in os x though so narf.

      >support for most scanners out of the box.

      wow. you have os x too? you're my hero.

      >virtual terminals (not gui terminal windows)

      i seriously doubt that you know the difference, seeing as a "gui terminal
      window" is indeed a "virtual terminal", but i can hardly see it making a
      fuck of difference.

  12. 30 dollars? by NASAKnight · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Yet another pay-for-linux release. When will they learn that we don't want to pay for linux. I can see where companies would pay for support, but the major selling point of Linux is that it is free. Whenever I tell someone about linux (only when they ask), they alays say "and it's free??? that's impossible! well, I guess it's worth a try." I mean, since you don't LOSE anything to try it out, that makes it a lot more attractive for some people to "make the switch."

    --
    Fault loves the past, worry loves the future, but content enjoys the present.
    1. Re:30 dollars? by Sc00ter · · Score: 3, Informative
      You can download the is here. it's not 2.3 but it just came out, so it should hit there soon.

    2. Re:30 dollars? by 1000101 · · Score: 1

      the "free" aspect is what is hurting linux IMHO. "free" is not a very solid business model. yeah, yeah, red hat is doing okay, but they'll never have the revenue to seriously compete with microsoft or apple on the average joe's computer. server sales only go so far.

    3. Re:30 dollars? by Bimble · · Score: 2

      It'll hit there when an ISO for YDL 2.3 shows up on the mirrors. Or on Yellow Dog's FTP site, for that matter. I guess they're delaying in the hopes that someone will buy the CD. Always good for a business to try to keep paying its operating expenses...

      --
      Naked.
    4. Re:30 dollars? by jerrytcow · · Score: 2

      They usually wait a few weeks to a month before putting it on their ftp sites. This version will be available for download july 5th.

  13. 2.4.19 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    uhm....

    2.4.19 ?????

    please tell me the lotto numbers from tomorrow so i can get the jackpot. since you people got 2.4.19 from the future....

    1. Re:2.4.19 ? by rob-fu · · Score: 1

      Gentoo Linux 1.2 also comes with a patch for 2.4.19 (although it's an 'optimized' Gentoo version). 2.4.19 patches have been out for a while, I believe...

  14. Linux on a Mac? by blackula · · Score: 0

    Who in his eright mind would run Linux on a Mac when he has access to one of the best Unix implementations ever written, OS X?

    What you GPL zealots will do (use a clearly inferior operating system, in thie case) for "free software" boggles the mind.

    1. Re:Linux on a Mac? by MsGeek · · Score: 2

      Because unless you are running on a G4 or a very fast G3 OS X is hella slow. Quartz and Aqua is optimized for Altivec. Not a good idea to run it on a G3 blue-and-white 350MHz.

      I'm really interested in this version of Yellow Dog. KDE 3, apt-get, mac-on-linux...looks REALLY sweet.

      --
      Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
    2. Re:Linux on a Mac? by murr · · Score: 1

      A blue-and-white 350MHz G3 is actually *exactly* what I'm running MacOS X 10.1 on, and it runs great (I gave the machine a lot of memory, though).

    3. Re:Linux on a Mac? by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      I agree,
      The Linux kernel is also much more responsive and versatile than the BSD kernel in Darwin. Latency is lower, it has support for a bazillion filesystems and partition types (reiserfs anyone?).
      Also, another reasson to run linux instead of darwin/OSX is that security updates are much faster down the tube if you're running servers or 'net-exposed systems.

      --
      "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
    4. Re:Linux on a Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have found that Linux is much more compatible with my swinging sex life- I get to fuck so many more bazillion really ugly things, and have to try to remember all their different preferences. Of course, with this kind of spread I can always find more responsive and agile cunt, rather than the old pay-per-fuck cunt. They cum quicker, if at all. Another reason to fuck this kind is that their security is so secure you don't need a condom, so updating your sperm donation is that much faster down the tube.

    5. Re:Linux on a Mac? by Raindog · · Score: 1

      Just a nitpick...OS X doesnt use the BSD kernel...its uses Mach....there is a BSD server that provides much BSD functionality...but the actual kernel is Mach.

    6. Re:Linux on a Mac? by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      Whoops, You're right, replace 'BSD' with 'Mach' in my comment for correct reading :-)

      --
      "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
  15. Perfect... by papasui · · Score: 2

    for making older macs that don't run OS X useful :)

  16. Which kernel? by dorward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they are including 2.4.19 are they going to publish their time travel method under an open documentation license?

    1. Re:Which kernel? by Beolach · · Score: 1

      I was wondering about this as well... maybe they just used 2.4.19-rc1. Anybody know for sure?

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  17. Icky link alert... by MsGeek · · Score: 0, Troll

    Troll alert! Troll alert! This didn't crash my Mac like Comp-U-Geek but this is almost as bad. Goatse-like content too.

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    Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
    1. Re:Icky link alert... by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      "Troll alert! Troll alert! This didn't crash my Mac like Comp-U-Geek but this is almost as bad. Goatse-like content too."

      Shut the fuck up, cunt, or you're gonna get a spankin.' What did you expect from someone with a nick that rhymes with "Hairy Vagina"? Now, the question is... how hairy is yours?

      --

      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

    2. Re:Icky link alert... by GPL+Troll · · Score: -1

      Show us your tits!

    3. Re:Icky link alert... by CmdrTaco+(troll) · · Score: -1


      you wanna see mantits? to each his own, i guess.

      --

      I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
    4. Re:Icky link alert... by GPL+Troll · · Score: -1

      Show me your cock!

    5. Re:Icky link alert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      show me your nipples!

    6. Re:Icky link alert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      flagelate my pores with your follicles!

    7. Re:Icky link alert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Shave my ball hairs with your teeth!

    8. Re:Icky link alert... by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1
      --

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      Mamma look!

  18. TROLL LINK! Don't Click! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I blew my mod points, so I can't moderate... the link above redirects you to a gay porno site.

  19. Gentoo PPC is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It r0X0rz mah b0x0rz!

  20. Top Notch! by CmdrTaco+(troll) · · Score: -1

    +5 informative

    --

    I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
  21. what are you smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Huh? Looks like a review of the newest yellow dog to me.

    Maybe you have a virus or something.

  22. Yeller Dawg iMacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!

    1. Re:Yeller Dawg iMacs by commodoresloat · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!

      That would be Black Lab Linux.

  23. Bah! by mir@ge · · Score: 0, Troll

    Debian is "the one true Linux" and it runs just fine on my ibook. Anyone who is in the market for an easy to install and use Unix like system on a Mac will most probably go with OS X. I don't see what the selling point of a "Mac only" distribution is these days. Did I mention I thought Debian was great.

    1. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      If debian was the "one true linux," then I'd be running Win XP. I've been using debian for 3 years, and there's no way I'd ever install it again.

    2. Re:Bah! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      I'll tell you why. I've used Debian, and it scared the bejeezus outta me (granted, it was a long time ago). YellowDog is RPM-based right off the bat, and RPM is nifty for those of us who lack the 'leet skills. YellowDog is also MUCH easier to install and harder to damage. Also, call me crazy, but YDL strikes a perfect balance between Debian's strict adherence to the 'free speech' philosophy and Mandrake's overt bastardization of packages and excessive friendliness.
      The argument against OSX is that on an older G3 (under about 700MHz and under 256MB RAM) it's just too damn slow. YDL Linux flies on my old G3, OSX crawls like cheney to the 'Life Alert' box.

      --
      "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
    3. Re:Bah! by linux_warp · · Score: 1

      Just a FYI, many people use debian because it is so much easier to use than redhat.

      Installing gnucash on redhat: rpm -ivh gnucash, then a billion dependancies pull up, forcing you to got to rpmfind.net and pray to find the right versions of the libaries.

      Installing gnucash on debian: apt-get install gnucash. All dependancies are resolved. I use debian because using any other package management system (besides portage or ports) is simply way to much trouble

    4. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If debian was the "one true linux," then I'd be running Win XP. I've been using debian for 3 years, and there's no way I'd ever install it again.

      Barring hardware failures and no backups, you'd only need to install it once.

  24. got Satan? IV by xdfgf · · Score: -1

    To illustrate the undebatable fact that masturbation is an entirely normal and
    healthy practice: it is performed by all members of the animal kingdom. Human
    children will also follow their instictive masturbatory desires, unless they
    have been scolded for it by their indignant parents, who were undoubtably
    berated for it by their parents, and so on down the retrocedent line.

    It is unfortunate, but true, that the sexual guilts of parents will immutably be
    passed on to their children. In order to save our children from the ill-fated
    sexual destiny of our parents, grandparents, and possibly ourselves, the
    perverted moral code of the past must be exposed for what it is: a pragmatically
    organized set of rules which, if rigidly obeyed, would destroy us! Unless we
    emancipate ourselves from the ridiculous sexual standards of our present
    society, including the so-called sexual revolution, the neuroses caused by those
    stifling regulations will persist. Adherence to the sensible and humanistic new
    morality of Satanism can - and will - evolve society in which our children can
    grow up healthy and without the devastating moral encumbrances of our existing
    sick society. NOT ALL VAMPIRES SUCK BLOOD! SATANISM represents
    responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires.

    Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel
    responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these
    leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others
    of their vital energy. This type of person can be found in all avenues of
    society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects
    nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing
    why.

    If you think you may be the victim of such a person, there are a few simple
    rules which will help you form a decision. Is there a person you often call or
    visit, even though you really don't want to, because you know you will feel
    guilty if you don't? Or, do you find yourself constantly doing favors for one
    who doesn't come forward and ask, but hints? Often the psychic vampire will use
    reverse psychology, saying: "Oh, I couldn't ask you to do that" - and you, in
    turn, insist upon doing it. The psychic vampire never demands anything of you.
    That would be far too presumptuous. They simply let their wishes be known in
    subtle ways which will prevent them from being considered pests. They "wouldn't
    think of imposing" and are always content and willingly accept their lot,
    without the slightest complaint - outwardly!

    Their sins are not of commission, but of omission. It's what they don't say, not
    what they do say, that makes you feel you must account to them. They are much
    too crafty to make overt demands upon you, because they know you would resent
    it, and would have a tangible and legitimate reason for denying them.

    A large percentage of these people have special "attributes" which make their
    dependence upon you more feasible and much more effective. Many psychic vampires
    are invalids (or pretend to be) or are "mentally or emotionally disturbed."
    Others might feign ignorance or incompetence so you will, out of pity - or more
    often, exasperation - do things for them.

    The traditional way to banish a demon or elemental is to recognize it for what
    it is, and exorcise it. Recognition of these modern-day demons and their methods
    is the only antidote for their devastating hold over you.

    Most people accept these passively vicious individuals at face value only
    because their insidious maneuvers have never been pointed out to them. They
    merely accept these "poor souls" as being less fortunate than themselves, and
    feel they must help them however they can. It is this misdirected sense of
    responsibility (or unfounded sense of guilt) which nourishes well the
    "altruisms" upon which these parasites feast!

    The psychic vampire is allowed to exist because he cleverly chooses
    conscientious, responsible people for his victims - people with great dedication
    to their "moral obligations."

    In some cases we are vampirized by groups of people, as well as individuals.
    Every fund raising organization, be it a charitable foundation, community
    council, religious or fraternal association, etc., carefully selects a person
    who is adept at making others feel guilty for its chairman or coordinator. It is
    the job of this chairman to intimidate us into opening first our hearts, and
    then our wallets, to the recipient of their "good will" - never mentioning that,
    in many cases, their time is not unselfishly donated, but that they are drawing
    a fat salary for their "noble deeds." They are masters at playing upon the
    sympathy and consideration of responsible people. How often we see little
    children who have been sent forth by these self-righteous Fagins to painlessly
    extract donations from the kindly. Who can resist the innocent charm of a child?

    There are, of course, people who are not happy unless they are giving, but many
    of us do not fit into this category. Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do
    things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person
    finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He
    wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide
    exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected
    of him.

    Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective
    friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those
    outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he
    can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things
    into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean
    most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the
    personality or motives of the person asking it of him.

    It is extremely difficult for a person to learn to say "no" when all his life he
    has said "yes." But unless he wants to be constantly taken advantage of, he must
    learn to say "no" when circumstances justify doing so. If you allow them,
    psychic vampires will gradually infiltrate your everyday life until you have no
    privacy left - and your constant feeling of concern for them will deplete you of
    all ambition.

    A psychic vampire will always select a person who is relatively content and
    satisfied with his life - a person who is happily married, pleased with his job,
    and generally well-adjusted to the world around him - to feed upon. The very
    fact that the psychic vampire chooses to victimize a happy person shows that he
    is lacking all the things his victim has; he will do everything he can to stir
    up trouble and disharmony between his victim and those people he holds dear.

    Therefore, be wary of anyone who seems to have no real friends and no appearant
    interest in life (except you). He will usually tell you he is very selective in
    his choice of friends, or doesn't make friends easily because of the high
    standards he sets for his companions. (To acquire and keep friends, one must be
    willing to give of himself - something of which the psychic vampire is
    incapable.) But he will hasten to add that you fulfill every requirement and are
    truly an outstanding exception among men - you are one of the very few worthy of
    his friendship.

    Lest you confuse desperate love (which is a very selfish thing) with psychic
    vampirism, the vast difference between the two must be clarified. The only way
    to determine if you are being vampirized is to weigh what you give the person
    compared to what they give you in return.

    You may, at times, become annoyed with the obligations put upon you by a loved
    one, a close friend, or even an employer. But before you label them psychic
    vampires, you must ask yourself, "What am I getting in return?" If your spouse
    or lover insists that you call them frequently, but you also require them to
    account to you for their time spent away from you, you must realize this is a
    give and take situation. Or, if a friend is in the habit of calling upon you for
    help at inopportune moments, but you similarly depend upon them to give your
    immediate needs priority, you must regard it as a fair exchange. If your
    employer asks you to do a little more than is normally expected of you in your
    particular position, but will overlook occasional tardiness or will give you
    time off when you need it, you certainly have no cause for complaint and need
    not feel he is taking advantage of you.

    You are, however, being vampirized if you are incessantly called upon or
    expected to do favors for someone who, when you need a favor, always happens to
    have other "pressing obligations."

    Many psychic vampires will give you material things for the express purpose of
    making you feel you owe them something in return, thereby binding you to them.
    The difference between your giving, and theirs, is that your return payment must
    come in a non-material form. They want you to feel obligated to them, and would
    be very disappointed and even resentful if you attempted to repay them with
    materal objects. In essence, you have "sold your soul" to them, and they'll
    constantly remind you of your duty to them, by not reminding you.

    Being purely Satanic, the only way to deal with a psychic vampire is to "play
    dumb" and act as though they are genuinely altruistic and really expect nothing
    in return. Teach them a lesson by graciously taking what they give you, thanking
    them loudly enough for all to hear, and walking away! In this way you come out
    the victor. What can they say? And when you are inevitably expected to repay
    their "generosity," (this is the hard part!) you say "NO" - but again,
    graciously! When they feel you falling from their clutches two things will
    happen. First, they will act "crushed," hoping your old feeling of duty and
    sympathy will return, and when (and if) it doesn't, they will show their true
    colors and will become angry and vindictive.

    Once you have moved them to this point, YOU can play the role of the injured
    party. After all, you've done nothing wrong - you just happened to have had
    "pressing obligations" when they needed you, and since nothing was expected in
    return for their gifts, there should be no hard feelings.

    Generally, the psychic vampire will realize his methods have been discovered and
    will not press the issue. He will not continue to waste his time with you, but
    will move on to his next unsuspecting victim.

    There are times, however, when the psychic vampire will not release his hold so
    easily, and will do everything possible to torment you. They have plenty of time
    for this because, when once rejected, they wil neglect all else (what little
    else they have, that is) to devote their every waking moment to planning the
    revenge to which they feel they are entitled. For this reason, it is best to
    avoid a relationship with this kind of person in the first place. Their
    "adulation" and dependence upon you may, at first, be very flattering, and their
    material gifts very attractive, but you will eventually find yourself paying for
    them many times over.

    Don't waste your time with people who will ultimately destroy you, but
    concentrate instead on those who will appreciate your responsibility to them,
    and, likewise, feel responsible to you.

    And if you are a psychic vampire - take heed! Beware of the Satanist - he is
    ready and willing to gleefully drive the proverbial stake through your heart!
    INDULGENCE . . . NOT COMPULSION

    THE HIGHEST PLATEAU OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT IS THE AWARENESS OF THE FLESH!
    SATANISM encourages its followers to indulge in their natural desires. Only by
    doing so can you be a completely satisfied person with no frustrations which can
    be harmful to yourself and others around you. Therefore, the most simplified
    description of the Satanic belief is:

    INDULGENCE INSTEAD OF ABSTINENCE People often mistake compulsion for indulgence,
    but there is a world of difference between the two. A compulsion is never
    created by indulging, but by not being able to indulge. By making something
    taboo, it only serves to intensify the desire. Everyone likes to do the things
    they have been told not to. "Forbidden fruits are sweetest."

    Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary defines indulgence thusly: "To give oneself up
    to; not to restrain or oppose; to give free course to; to gratify by compliance;
    to yeild to." The dictionary definition of compulsion is: "The act of compelling
    or driving by a force, physical or moral; constraint of the will; (compulsory,
    obligatory)." In other words, indulgence implies choice, whereas compulsion
    indicates the lack of choice.

    When a person has no proper release for his desires they rapidly build up and
    become compulsions. If everyone had a particular time and place for the purpose
    of periodically indulging in their personal desires, without fear of
    embarrassment or reproach, they would be sufficiently released to lead
    unfrustrated lives in the everyday world. They would be free to plunge headlong
    into whatever undertaking they might choose instead of going about their duties
    half-heartedly, their creative urges frustrated by denying their natural
    desires. This would apply in the majority of cases, but there will always be
    those who work better under pressure.

    Generally, those who need to endure a certain amount of hardship to produce to
    their full capabilities are in basically artistic vocations. (More will be said
    later about fulfillment through self-denial.) This does not mean to imply that
    all artists fit into this category. On the contrary, many artists are unable to
    produce unless their basic animal needs have been satisfied.

    For the most part, it is not the artist or individualist, but the average
    middle-class working man or woman who is lacking the proper release for their
    desires. It is ironic that the responsible, respectable person - the one who
    pays society's bills - should be the one given the least in return. It is he who
    must be ever conscious of his "moral obligations", and who is condemned for
    normally indulging in his natural desires.

    The Satanic religion considers this a gross injustice. He who upholds his
    responsibilities should be most entitled to the pleasures of his choice, without
    censure from the society he serves.

    Finally a religion (Satanism) has been formed which commends and rewards those
    who support the society in which they live, instead of denouncing them for their
    human needs.

    From every set of principles (be it religious, political, or philosophical),
    some good can be extracted. Amidst the madness of the Hitlerian concept, one
    point stands out as a shining example of this - "strength through joy!". Hitler
    was no fool when he offered the German people happiness, on a personal level, to
    insure their loyalty to him, and peak efficiency from them.

    It has been clearly established that the majority of all illnesses are of a
    psychosomatic nature, and that psychosomatic illnesses are a direct result of
    frustration. It has been said that "the good die young". The good, by Christian
    standards, do die young. It is the frustration of our natural instincts which
    leads to the deterioration of our minds and bodies.

    It has become very fashionable to concentrate on the betterment of the mind and
    spirit, and to consider giving pleasure to one's body (the very shell without
    which the mind and spirit could not exist) to be coarse, crude, unrefined. AS OF
    LATE, MOST PEOPLE WHO DEEM THEMSELVES EMANCIPATED HAVE LEFT NORMALCY ONLY TO
    "TRANSCEND" INTO IDIOCY! By way of bending their behinds around to meet their
    navels, subsisting on wild and exotic diets like brown rice and tea, they feel
    they will arive at a great state of spiritual development.

    "Hogwash!" says the Satanist. He would rather eat a good hearty meal, exercise
    his imagination, and transcend by means of physical and emotional fulfillment.
    It seems, to the Satanist, that after being harnessed with unreasonable
    religious demands for so many centuries, one would welcome the chance to be
    human for once!

    If anyone thinks that by denying his natural desires he can avoid mediocrity, he
    should examine the Eastern mystical beliefs which have been in great
    intellectual favor in recent years. Christianity is "old-hat", so those who wish
    to escape its fetters have turned to so-called enlightened religions, such as
    Buddhism. Although Christianity is certainly deserving of the criticism it has
    received, perhaps it has been taking more than its share of the blame. The
    followers of the mystical beliefs are every bit as guilty of the little
    humanisms as the "misguided" Christians. Both religions are based on trite
    philosophies, but the mystical religionists profess to be enlightened and
    emancipated from the guilt-ridden dogma which is typified by Christianity.
    However, the Eastern mystic is even more preoccupied than the Christian with
    avoiding animalistic actions that remind him he is not a "saint", but merely a
    man - only another form of animal, sometimes better, more often worse, than
    those who walk on all fours; and who, becuase of his "divine spiritual and
    intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all!

    The Satanist asks, "What is wrong with being human, and having human limitations
    as well as assets?" By denying his desires the mystic has come no closer to
    overcoming compulsion than his kindred soul, the Christian. The Eastern mystical
    beliefs have taught people to contemplate their navels, stand on their heads,
    stare at blank walls, avoid the use of labels in life, and discipline themselves
    against any desire for materialistic pleasure. Nevertheless, I am sure you have
    seen just as many so-called desciplined yogis with the inablility to control a
    smoking habit as anyone else; or just as many supposedly emancipated Buddhists
    become just as excited as a "less aware" person when they are confronted with a
    member of the opposite - or in some cases, the same - sex. Yet when asked to
    explain the reason for their hypocrisy, these people retreat into the
    ambiguousness which characterizes their faith - no one can pin them down if
    there are no straight answers that can be given!

    The simple fact of the matter is that the very thing which has led this type of
    person to a faith which preaches abstinence, is indulgence. Their compulsive
    masochism is the reason for choosing a religion which not only advocates
    self-denial, but praises them for it; and gives them a sacrosanct avenue of
    expression for their masochistic needs. The more abuse they can stand, the
    holier they become.

    Masochism, to most people, represents a rejection of indulgence. Satanism points
    out many meanings behind the meanings, and considers masochism to be an
    indulgence if any attempt to sway or change the person from his masochistic
    traits is met with resentment and/or failure. The Satanist does not condemn
    these people for giving vent to their masochistic desires, but he does feel the
    utmost contempt towards those who cannot be honest enough (at least with
    themselves) to face and accept their masochism as a natural part of their
    personality make-up.

    Having to use religion as an excuse for their masochism is bad enough, but these
    people actually have the effrontery to feel superior to those who are not
    bound-up in self-deceitful expression of their fetishes! These people would be
    the first to condemn a man who found his weekly release with a person who would
    beat him soundly, thereby releasing himself from the very thing which could, if
    unreleased, make him - as they are - a compulsive church-goer or religious
    fanatic. By finding adequate release for his masochistic desires, he no longer
    needs to debase and deny himself in his every waking moment, as do these
    compulsive masochists.

    Satanists are encouraged to indulge in the seven deadly sins, as they need hurt
    no one; they were only invented by the Christian Church to insure guilt on the
    part of its followers. The Christian Church knows that it is impossible for
    anyone to avoid committing these sins, as they are all things which we, being
    human, most naturally do. After inevitably committing these sins financial
    offerings to the church in order to "pay off" God are employed as a sop to the
    parishioner's conscience!

    Satan has never needed a book of rules, because vital natural forces have kept
    man "sinful" and intent on preserving himself and his feelings. Nevertheless,
    demoralizing attempts have been made on his body and being for his "soul's"
    sake, which only illustrate how misconceived and misused the labels of
    "indulgence" versus "compulsion" have become.

    Sexual activity certainly is condoned and encouraged by Satanism, but obviously
    the fact that it is the only religion which honestly takes this stand, is the
    reason it has been traditionally given so much literary space.

    Naturally, if most people belong to the religions which repress them sexually,
    anything written on this provocative subject is going to make for titillating
    reading.

    If all attempts to sell something (be it a product or an idea) have failed - sex
    will always sell it. The reason for this is that even though people now
    consciously accept sex as a normal and necessary function, their subconscious is
    still bound by the taboo which religion has placed upon it. So, again, what is
    denied is more intensely desired. It is this bugaboo regarding sex which causes
    the literature devoted to the Satanic views on the subject to overshadow all
    else written about Satanism.

    The true Satanist is not mastered by sex any more than he is mastered by any of
    his other desires. As with all other pleasurable things, the Satanist is master
    of, rather than mastered by sex. He is not the perverted fiend who is just
    waiting for the opportunity to deflower every young virgin, nor is he the
    skulking degenerate who furtively hangs around in the "dirty" bookstores,
    slavering over the "nasty" pictures. If pornography fills his needs for the
    moment, he unashamedly buys some "choice items" and guiltlessly peruses them at
    his leisure.

    "We have to accept the fact that man has become disgruntled at being constantly
    repressed, but we must do everything we can to at least temper the sinful
    desires of man, lest they run rampant in this new age," say the religionists of
    the right-hand path to the questioning Satanist. "Why continue to think of these
    desires as shameful and something to be repressed, if you now admit they are
    natural?" returns the Satanist. Could it be that the white-light religionists
    are a bit "sour-grapes" about the fact that they didn't think of a religion,
    before the Satanists, which would be enjoyable to follow; and if the truth were
    known, would they too not like to have a bit more pleasure out of life, but for
    fear of losing face, cannot admit it? Could it also be that they are afraid
    people will, after hearing about Satanism, tell themselves "This is for me - why
    should I continue with a religion which condemns me for everything I do, even
    though there is nothing actually wrong with it?" The Satanist thinks this is
    more than likely true.

  25. PPC Can do Debian too by Juhaa · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is my experience with installing Potato Debian on my iBook DVD, using the
    rev0 CDs. I know this story is about YDL, but a lot of people do not realize that Debian and Mandrake works just as fine on Apple hardware. And thus this walkthrough, hope it's helpful, give it a try.

    This is not a Guide to Debian installation, rather a step-by-step
    guide (doh!). And write down what you're doing (especially partition numbers,
    that the reason why I'm writing this and reinstalling everything from scratch
    for the second time)
    Enjoy.

    Instructions
    ------------

    1. Boot the laptop with the iBook install, by pressing "C" during the chime
    sound
    2. Launch the Drive Setup, on the CD, in the Utilities directory
    3. I created 2 partitions. First one is the Linux Place Holder, one big fat
    partition that we'll split into all your Linux partitions during the Debian
    install process. The second one is for MacOS. You might want to create 3
    partitions (respectivily for Linux, MacOS, and an HFS one for sharing files
    between Linux and MacOS). I'm only using MacOS to play DVDs, so it's no big
    deal for me.
    4. Install MacOS on the MacOS drive (don't install on the place holder for
    Linux!)
    5. Reboot the 'puter, it should work, otherwise bring your iBook back to the
    shop and jump off a cliff.

    6. Now that we're sure that the iBook and MacOS works, reboot up, and press
    Option-Apple-O-F during the chime to access the Open Firmware.
    7. type in "boot cd:\\yaboot". Try "boot cd:\install\powermac\yaboot" if the
    former fails.
    8. On the yaboot prompt, enter "debian video=aty128fb:vmode:10:depth:8:" where
    debian is the name of the image you're gonna be using to boot (hit to
    list the available ones).
    9. Select your keyboard, and Partition your HD, following Ethan Benson's
    mac-fdisk-basics.txt (see at the bottom for URL).
    11. At this point I have this kind of partitioning:
    hda1 to hda8: MacOS crap
    hda9: Apple_Bootstrap partition
    hda10: / (root)
    hda11: swap
    hda12: /home (home)
    hda13: /opt (opt)
    hda14: MacOS

    (...Later...)

    10. When asked if you want to "Make Linux Bootable Directly From Hard Disk",
    get to another console and get a shell (on the iBook, it's a bit dodgy,
    keep pressed in this order Apple-fn-F2).
    11. Run this line to get your bootstrap partition initialized:
    mkofboot --boot /dev/hda9 -m /target/etc/ofboot.b --root /dev/hda10 --partition 10
    12. In the present state, you wouldn't be able to boot Linux because of the
    (lack of) novideo option in the default yaboot.conf
    Edit the /target/etc/yaboot.conf. Here is what it looks like after all the
    editing:

    boot=/dev/hda9
    device=hd:
    timeout=20
    install= /boot/yaboot
    magicboot=/boot/ofboot.b

    image=/vmlinux
    label=Linux
    root=/dev/hda10
    read-only
    partition=10
    append = "video=aty128fb:vmode:10:depth:8:"

    13. Run that to be able to run Linux:
    ybin -C /target/etc/yaboot.conf -m /target/etc/ofboot.b
    14. Reboot the system, and get into the Open Firmware again
    15. To boot your linux system, type in:
    boot hd:9,yaboot

    (...Later...)

    16. Voila, you still need to configure your computer (X-Window, dial-up,
    desktop...), but at least it will boot up normally =)
    17. to boot up by default with Linux, run "setenv boot-device hd:9,yaboot"
    within the Open Firmware. Press the Option key during the chime to boot
    MacOS.

    1. Re:PPC Can do Debian too by jockm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As opposed to my expeience with YDL:

      1) Boot off of CD
      2) Follow guided setup

      I think Debian is a gread distro, but it is kinda hard-core. It's not up to the kind of smooth install Mac users expect.

      --

      What do you know I wrote a novel
    2. Re:PPC Can do Debian too by Juhaa · · Score: 1

      YDL is good for those doing the MAC-to-Linux bridge. But, if you've ever tried out debian, you'd know how much better it is, once it's installed :) It's a lot easier to maintain a Debian based system than any other distro out there (even including the FreeBSD's). It's not very hardcore and Debian doesnt really need any more knowledge than what you might already have. If you've ever compiled a kernel, then you're ready for a smooth Debian installation. If you like debian you might wanna try Gentoo btw, I believe that's for a bit more advanced group. But, any good MacOS developer/YDL user can install Debian.

    3. Re:PPC Can do Debian too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just tried this on my old Apple, thanks for the guide, my new debian box is now updating from the net, ETA 20 mins. Great job :)

    4. Re:PPC Can do Debian too by goon+america · · Score: 1, Funny

      ... Step 17: [laughs] There's no step 17! There's no step 17! [laughs]

  26. Thanks dudes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kudos to Yellow Dog Linux team!! Without your work my life would not be complete. Thanks!! You have saved me & my company more than once! Keep on doing that great stuff!

  27. Do we need further proof? by Anonymous+Cowrad · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The moderation system fucking sucks.

    The fucking moron who gave this +1 Informative...what the fuck? If you're not going to follow the goddamned link, don't fucking moderate it.

    Oh, and doesn't OS X kind of eliminate the need for ppc linux? Am I missing something?

    --

    --
    pants ahoy
    1. Re:Do we need further proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      > Am I missing something?

      Yes, you forgot to say "fuck" four more times and you forgot to sign-off "dickhead".

    2. Re:Do we need further proof? by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      He's an... "Anonymous Cowrad"... huh huh... huh huh...

      --

      --
      Mamma look!

  28. I hope they read this... by bochdog · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Why wouldn't you upgrade to a new box and OS from Apple? Linux is cool for servers. I can use my apps with windows and play WC3. Aqua bitch slaps gnome and kde any time of day.

    WARNING: Don't bring your penguing near my Jaguar!

    1. Re:I hope they read this... by GigsVT · · Score: 2

      Good point, but I think some of us like having servers on our desktop. A lot of us do things like PHP programming, or database programming, and being able to easily have the test bed sitting under your desk rather than in the server room is a real benefit.

      Anyway, it really boils down to what you are going to use it for. A GUI isn't as important to someone who works 10 times faster with just a few terminal windows, a browser and their editor of choice.

      --
      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
  29. This just isn't fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The continuing proliferation of open source operating systems on systems other than x86 will render the Palladium project totally usless. Come on people it's the way forward.

  30. Woohoo! by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 0
    I'm going to have a bakeoff between and Imac running OSX and Yellow Dog.

    --
    "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
    --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
    1. Re:Woohoo! by johnjones · · Score: 2

      linux will win

      try compileing lmbench and see the results

      the whole driver issue in OS X makes it great for hotswap devices such as USB

      BUT if you have a decent compiled linux kernel and know your hardware then it will beat it every time
      (plus ext2 beats the pant off apples UFS)

      regards

      john jones

  31. Re:TROLL LINK! Don't Click! by Temsi · · Score: 1

    Which link was that? All three links seem valid to me. Don't know what you look like, but normally a penguin doesn't look anything like a naked man.

    --
    -- This sig for rent.
  32. My LNUX box crashed, HELP Please! by theodoliteq · · Score: -1, Troll
    • It did! so I thought I would engage in some IP troll theft::
    • "There's a sourceforge project creating just what you're looking for..."
      "Me and a bunch of people got drunk, thought we could code, submitted the idea and produced a fancy web page. It's now two years later and the project has no files to download and is STILL on Stage 1, Planning."

    • "That's the beauty of UNIX - Lots of little tools which can be used together. Far more flexible!"
      "I've been reading UNIX in a Nutshell for SVR4 and fuck knows what any of this flags stuff is about"

    • "Linux is far more secure than Windows. My box has never been hacked."
      "I can install Red Hat from a bootable CD. The machine is not connected to a network and all I do all day is type ps, pwd and ls. I'm so l33t."

    • "You might want to try going to college and learning about this stuff!"
      "My folks are rich enough to send me off for further education. I am now in an uber-elite crowd of know-it-alls and I am here to belittle you. Fear me."

    • "Microsoft products are soooo insecure!"
      "I've spent the last two years being subjected to biased slashdot propaganda. I couldn't hack into a properly configured windows system if my life depended on it."

    • "We should file an antitrust lawsuit against Sony"
      "I've spent far too much time absorbing bullshit ideals from anarchists. The truth of the matter is, I just don't want to pay for anything whatsoever. Britney CDs should be free because I think that somehow the constitution protects my illegal copying and distribution under some freedom of speech law or fair use act. Even though I don't have to go out and buy luxury items, I'm gonna whinge and bitch anyway"

    • "Have you considered using Linux?"
      "I've only been using it for a week, and now my hardcore wannabe techno friends think I'm a guru. I now recommend it to everybody based upon what I've read at slashdot."

    • "Don't you find that parsing this bitset through the compliation alogirithm that is piped out through GCC on a command line echo really works well for logarithmically sound sine wave matcher?"
      "Somebody please shoot me several times in the head. I am fucking clueless."

    • "If they join all the state drivers licence databases together, they'll be able to track me! How do I change my identity?"
      "I'm too fucking dense to realise that this has been going on for over 15 years already, and I've just finished reading 1984. Go figure."



  33. libm in the right place ? by johnjones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I tried the last yellow dog and found that their libm was fscked

    doesnt exactly inspire me

    anyone tried to compile spec benchmarks on it ?

    regards

    john jones

  34. Re:TROLL LINK! Don't Click! by Bimble · · Score: 2

    I blew my mod points, so I can't moderate... the link above redirects you to a gay porno site.

    Linuxiso.org is a gay porno site? Not until they put up a page for Lesbian Linux. And someone's already submitted the link, so don't bother. ;)

    --
    Naked.
  35. dfgdsfdsfds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    who gives a fuck?

    1. Re:dfgdsfdsfds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      "who gives a fuck?"

      Those with freewill, enquiring minds and a plucky lust for life.

  36. You are gay as a goat. Rape a witch's thick broom. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Oh I know, you ARE the goatse man!

    Fuck you Fuck you F
    k _ u
    c |-| c
    u |=| k
    F | |
    |=| Y
    u /=| |/=/=/ o
    o |c|c|c|c|| u
    Y /| |/
    \| | F
    k \=====| u
    cuF uoY kcuF ouY kc

  37. Hmm. by mindstrm · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Can you show any evidence that OS X is one of the " best unix implementations ever written?"

    I mean, other than the proprietary desktop that doesn't even speak X...what makes OSX a GOOD unix?

    (I did not say " good OS" I said " GOOD UNIX"

    1. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the fact that apple's using fbsd as a reference for it?

      >the proprietary desktop

      oh, boo fucking hoo, it's not open source. cry me a fucking river you retard.

      >that doesn't even speak X

      another tragedy. keep pissing and whining. or you could install xfree86.

  38. The butt is a magical place by theodoliteq · · Score: -1, Troll

    I am a straight 21-year-old female and have been with my boyfriend on and off for two years. He is the sweetest boy in the world and I love him with all my heart. The problem is this: After we have sex he pretends to fall asleep and then finger fucks himself in the ass. I have confronted him about this and he denies it, saying that I am crazy. I am completely traumatized by this entire situation. I have no one else to turn to. Is my boyfriend gay? Should I just ignore this habit of his and focus on all of his other wonderful qualities? I greatly respect your opinion, and I'm afraid I don't know what to do.

    Hope Everything Looks Peachy

    Dear HELP:

    Your boyfriend isn't gay. He's a freak.
    Try to keep up: There's nothing particularly gay about enjoying the feeling of a finger in your ass, nor is there anything particularly freaky about a man fingering himself. What makes your boyfriend a freak is that he fingers himself right next to someone he thinks is asleep, gets caught, and then denies he was doing it. Why would he deny it? Like a lot of straight men who enjoy having their asses played with, your boyfriend probably worries that you'll think he's gay if he tells you the truth -- and guess what? He's right! You do think he's gay.

    Well, it ain't necessarily so, HELP. There are plenty of straight men out there who like having their butts played with, just as there are plenty of gay men who don't like having their butts played with. (I hate the feeling of a finger in my ass, HELP, and guys don't get much gayer than me.) The butt is not a magical place that only gay people can visit, like a leather bar or the Liberace Mu seum. Straight people have butts too, and some straight guys like to play with their butts, and it saddens me that so many of these straight men are reduced to playing with their own butts. Why is that the case? Once again, BECAUSE THEIR GIRLFRIEND WILL THINK THEY'RE GAY IF THEY ASK HER TO FINGER THEM.

    As for your particular boyfriend, HELP, I think any guy who fingers his ass in the same room as his girlfriend -- even if he thinks she's asleep -- really wants to get caught, so ... the next time he rolls over, pretends to fall asleep, and then sticks a finger in his ass, wait until he's really going at it, and then say:

    "You're doing it right now! You've got your finger in your ass! I'm not crazy!"

    When he denies it, you play your trump card:

    "Oh, really? Let me smell your fingers."

    He'll probably burst into tears at this point, which is your cue to say the following: "Look, I don't think you're gay. I love you. If the man I love likes having his ass played with then, with God as my witness, I will play with his ass. But I refuse to lie here next to you while you play with your ass and pretend that I'm asleep. That's too freaky."

    1. Re:The butt is a magical place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      He just misses my tongue there.

      Maybe I should tongue you, too. Then you 2 could watch each other playing with all of your holes. I bet it would turn you both on.

    2. Re:The butt is a magical place by CmdrTaco+(troll) · · Score: -1

      If the man I love likes having his ass played with then, with God as my witness, I will play with his ass.

      Stop quoting Jon Katz please.

      --

      I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
  39. So how to choose between Mandrake, YDL etc? by Glorat · · Score: 2

    This is complete news to me that my "oldworld" Power PC here is capable of running Linux! I was equally surprised the YDL is not unusual in supporting Macs but Mandrake and the like happily support PowerPC too.

    I'm a happy Mandrake-on-intel-laptop user. So any suggestions on what I need to consider when deciding whether to put, say, Mandrake or YDL on this power pc? My only thoughts are that Mandrake has advantages in familiarity and it's well known user-friendliness wherease YDL gets the plus for being specifically targetted at the Macintosh and may be easier to set-up and use

    Also bear in mind that I'll be half doing this to convert my mum to Linux. If I can do that, I know Linux will be ready for the "mum" world of users

    1. Re:So how to choose between Mandrake, YDL etc? by Juhaa · · Score: 1
      Last week, I reformatted my IDE drive on my Pismo Powerbook and installed Mandrake 8.2 (for the powerpc of course) on it. The DrakX Installer is GREAT. After partitioning ther IDE with the Apple mac 'Drive Setup' program into a small 3gig Mac OS Extended partition at the front of the IDE drive I left the remainder of the IDE as 'Unallocated'. The DrakX Installer found the free space on the IDE drive and created the proper /de/hdaxx devices, automagically!! Much simpler then the method that YDL 2.2 forces you to do (in YDL2.2 you have to manually create the Apple_Bootstrp,swap,and root devices).

      The DrakX Installer offers several choices for Mac specific items such as the monitor, keyboard and mouse. I got full mouse and sound up the first time. The DraskX Installer found my Cable Modem Internet connection (DHCP) and I had internet connection on the first boot.

      The only problem is the the Mandrake PrintConf program doesn't recognize the Epson printer attached to my USB port. The printer works fine under Mac OS8/X so I know the USB port is OK.

      All in all, the Mandrake Installation was much easier than the YDL and sound works on Mandrake 8.2

      All in all I like Mandrake and will probably stay with it (on my Pismo)

      Give it a try, it's simple, pretty easy btw. I'd say Mandrake is the easiest on this platform now for Linux. Debian still being the hardest (but I feel coolest :))

    2. Re:So how to choose between Mandrake, YDL etc? by Glorat · · Score: 1

      Sounds painless enough as long as I get a separate HD installed (the 2Gb one currently there won't cut it with both OS's on it).

      One final question... any joy with Mac on Linux? (http://www.maconlinux.org)

    3. Re:So how to choose between Mandrake, YDL etc? by sracer9 · · Score: 2

      I used to use MOL on a G4 400 and it worked great. I was running PPC Linux at the time, and had Mac OS9 on the virtual side. It was nearly as fast as native, ran all apps flawlessly and had all the stability you'd expect if you ran OS9 natively. All in all, highly recommended.

      --

      No thanks. I don't smoke anymore.
  40. Slashdot Typo by jchawk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought the 2.4.19 was just a normal slashdot typo, but it appears that they are listing 2.4.19 on their website.

    " YDL 2.3 surpasses YDL 2.2 with an array of timely updates, improvements: kernel 2.4.19, the 'Liquid' theme, CUPS print system, apt-get, OpenOffice 1.0, Mozilla 0.9.9, Galeon 1.2, Evolution 1.0.5, AbiWord 1.0.2, netatalk 1.5.3.1, and support for the Radeon 7500 (excluding 'Mobility') video card. "

    Perhaps they have a typo or they are running a beta kernel or something. . . Could be they just have a typo on the site and let it alone to generate more interest in their distro?

    Ah who knows. . .

    1. Re:Slashdot Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're using the RC1 of 2.4.19. Hopefully they have a good apt-like updating system to deal with the final 2.4.19.

  41. Secrets of the free ride (rev 1.2) by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

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    1. Re:Secrets of the free ride (rev 1.2) by News+For+Turds · · Score: -1

      Dude. U totally "flooded" the page with "crap".

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    2. Re:Secrets of the free ride (rev 1.2) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, he took up a couple dozen lines. Most intelligent people don't use IE, like you stupid fuck snots. Pretty bad when an aborted fetus makes you look dumb. Your farts are more coherent than anything you actually post here.

    3. Re:Secrets of the free ride (rev 1.2) by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      Cain y'alls'splain what's one-dem "aborted fetus"? I's jus'er'li'l curjus.

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  42. Mac-On-Linux by dmaxwell · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mac-On-Linux virtualizes a Powerpc chip and allows MacOS to run on a virtual terminal. With a little work, even networking works well. The speed feels just like a native boot on my 400Mhz Pismo. Video is a bit slow because it's just a framebuffer with no accelleration. It's plenty fast enough for things like Office even if games don't play well.

    It requires kernel modules that are built against the kernel running on the machine so you will need a good source tree to go along with your kernel. I mention this because many Powerpc Linux users go with precompiled kernels. MOL can be had from:

    http://www.maconlinux.org/

    1. Re:Mac-On-Linux by Benley · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, do you know if there is any prospect of running MacOS X with MOL? I understand it's currently not possible, but I am not familiar with the reasons why. It is also not explained (that I can find) on the MOL website. Perhaps you know more about it than I.

  43. Serial Troller's greatest hits: TR�LL�NP�LK�! by Linus+Turdballs · · Score: -1
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    ____________________

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  44. No, No, No. I said first. They saved my fortune500 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  45. Slashdot - now in widescreen!!! by pwpbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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the garbage can A muddy pickup truck brainwashes the grizzly bear behind an anomaly A power drill caricatures a Eurasian line dancer Now and then the crank case beyond the avocado pit cooks cheese grits for an eagerly tattered apartment building IntroductionThe blood clot inside a hole puncher is paternal When you see the sheriff living with the microscope it means that the apartment building meditates A wrinkled submarine reaches an understanding with the lazily familiar customer because a food stamp toward a cargo bay buys an expensive gift for the fire hydrant of the deficit The recliner caricatures a pork chop A globule is stoic Some CEOThe ridiculously frightened turn signal ignores the financial oil filter When a traffic light starts reminiscing about lost glory a buzzard procrastinates The apartment building nonchalantly finds subtle faults with a lover Furthermore a pickup truck laughs out loud and a scythe about a fraction thoroughly competes with the demon defined by an 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wheelbarrow then an umbrella near the hole puncher rejoices ConclusionsSome particle accelerator bestows great honor upon a senator of a paper napkin Now and then an usually varigated turn signal slyly gives secret financial aid to the earring related to an insurance agent A crane toward a tape recorder the movie theater and a plaintiff related to a bartender are what made America great A skinny tape recorder lazily learns a hard lesson from the snooty grain of sand Now and then an infected lover seldom bestows great honor upon a cowboy IntroductionAny cowboy can singlehandledly borrow money from the makeshift bartender but it takes a real turkey to wisely pour freezing cold water on the incinerated line dancer If a fruit cake can be kind to a nearest chestnut then the buzzard defined by an ocean reads a magazine Most people believe that a wheelbarrow beyond a fruit cake cooks cheese grits for a stovepipe but they need to remember how secretly a razor blade goes to sleep Indeed the 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When a corporation near a recliner dies a squid defined by the defendant rejoices Furthermore the short order cook related to another girl scout hides and the crispy apartment building figures out the pine cone from a rattlesnake When a wisely mysterious roller coaster is frozen the ridiculously infected defendant brainwashes a food stamp related to a polar bear A reclinerA frozen chess board gets stinking drunk because a bottle of beer around a pickup truck finds lice on an eggplant over a chess board The impromptu rattlesnake derives perverse satisfaction from a light bulb or a pit viper related to the razor blade eagerly is a big fan of a scooby snack from a reactor Any fairy can laugh and drink all night with a hairy defendant but it takes a real pig pen to secretly compete with a pit viper over a chestnut When an inexorably worldly wedding dress is dreamlike a chess board around a scythe bestows great honor upon the mating ritual from the corporation A skyscraper is makeshift 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  46. disappointed by jchristopher · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've been terribly disappointed in Yellow Dog Linux (and frankly, Linux on PPC in general) in the past. Unlike x86, where RedHat et al have to make their stuff basically install on ANYTHING, YDL and the other PPC Linux vendors have a VERY limited set of hardware to support.

    For the most part, G3 and G4 towers, iMacs, and portables. That isn't too much variety of hardware. Yet no one can get it right! Every linux on PPC I've tried has suffered from some terrible screwup!

    The computer I was trying to use was an iBook2, about a year old. YDL, Mandrake, Suse, they all claim to support it. Yet no one can make the Airport card work as part of the install process! Sound frequently doesn't work, (i.e works in KDE but not Gnome or vice versa), and video problems abound.

    It seems that for the most part these guys just copy what's already available in x86 land. I'm no programmer, so maybe I'm just misinformed. But would it REALLY be that hard to write a bit of code to enable the Airport card during the install? After all, there is only ONE card you need to support, Apple's! Instead, every PPC linux makes you dig up a how-to, type some command line mumbo jumbo, sacrifice a chicken, etc. I never could get it working.

    1. Re:disappointed by memoryhole · · Score: 2

      The difference is that with x86 hardware, most things have published API's, and massive numbers of coders and hackers out there to try and beat on the code. Linux on the PPC suffers from a company that staunchly refuses to tell them how everything works, and from a very short supply of coders - especially since Apple started it's Darwin project, and has been sucking otherwise interested and talented coders away from Linux into making Darwin better. Just to help make it harder, lots of linux hardware code is poorly written - in that it's very x86 specific. One of the main differences is byte-order (the hex number 0x123456 is stored in memory in x86 machines as 0x563412 - and if you use shortcuts in your logic (which many people do) or hardcode byte-swapping into your code (which many people do) the driver has to be checked very carefully or in some cases entirely rewritten - and it's tricky because many times a driver will mostly work, but one or two byteswaps weren't found, which may cause unexpected behavior in some instances). And it's not as if Apple only offers one video card and one airport card, etc. Between models, they usually change quite a bit without telling anyone - because what do they care? So the fact that it works on one model means nothing on another model - so each one has to be checked. Which means someone who contributes code has to have access to each and every model. This isn't so difficult on the vast PC market - but on the Mac market? It's rare.

    2. Re:disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yet no one can make the Airport card work as part of the install process!

      What you want is microsoft way. The Linux way is to install the system, to see which hardware did not automatically supported and then to add such support. In most of cases you just find the proper module and load it up into the kernel. In some cases you would be recommended to re-compile your kernel and that is also a Linux way. Downloading a new kernel source code and even patching it is also a part of Linux way. It will not harm you to understand your system better :)

    3. Re:disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I'm no programmer

      You make that painfully obvious with each post you make.

      Note that I am not praising programmers. In fact programmers are probably
      the second most annoying bunch of pissants on /. (after jchristopher and
      ilk) since they seem to know nothing of computing apart from whatever pos
      language they code for a living, e.g. witness the "experienced
      programmers" wondering what advantages firewire has over usb2. gee, let's
      think now...

    4. Re:disappointed by jchristopher · · Score: 1
      I have no problem with that. But if that's 'Linux Way', then I wish the zealots would stop claiming that Linux is ready for the desktop because recompiling the kernel to enable hardware that came with the machine is not what desktop users expect, either x86 or PPC users.

      Your statement actually says alot about that - Linux users encourage others to believe that they can successfuly use Linux. After the user installs/attempts to install, instead of admitting that the install process could be better, you explain the weaknesses by saying "it won't harm you to understand your system better", when in reality the problem is that the installer is stupid.

  47. relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Linux is becoming increasingly irrelevant. People just want solutions. They don't care if it's Linux or FreeBSD or MacOS X. They just want a stable OS with stable VM (ie FreeBSD VM) and interoperable networking (ie BSD networking stack) and a freely available (not GPL restriction passing itself off as free) central (not scattered patches left and right) source code. It's high time we spread the word that BSD is everything that Linux wants to be and we should stop wasting time and energy on Linux.

    1. Re:relevance by axxackall · · Score: 0
      BSD is everything that Linux wants to be

      It was true 5 years ago. At the time of network routers and "static-file" web servers. Today, at the time of Java-based application servers, databases and SOHO desktops it not true anymore.

      BSD kernels are outdated in new hardware support, in new filesystems support. Most of Open Source Software is compiled on Linux straight forward, while on BSD BSD-specific patches are to be applied.

      Today Linux is everything BSD wants to be.

      --

      Less is more !
  48. Secrets to the free ride by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

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  49. If I had a Mac.. by dmouritsendk · · Score: 1

    I would put put gentoo/PPC on it, since:

    a. gentoo is 100% free
    b. gentoo offers the best package manager ive ever used (and yes, i have used both debian and slack).
    c. gentoos package crew are cowboys, the give you the lates and greates of everything. Fast, gnome2 is for example allready available in the portage tree.
    d. gentoos community is the most helpfull crowd ive ever stumbled over, there are allways tons of help to get if u need it @ #gentoo on openproject.Theres allways a ton of people in there, even the creator finds time to hang out there in a regular basic. Forget paying for support, the support you will get from the community will probertly be better than any support you would get for money.

    I could go on and on, gentoo rocks(best disto out there in my opp). And they have a PPC build, soo go for it. No need to waste hard earned money.

    1. Re:If I had a Mac.. by Laplace · · Score: 2

      Gentoo/PPC has one huge problem. It shares the same portage tree as the I86 version. Packages are tested for I86, and they break the PPC distribution. I wasted a weekend trying to install Gentoo PPC on my iBook, and I couldn't emerge system because the build for ncurses was broken.

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    2. Re:If I had a Mac.. by dmouritsendk · · Score: 1

      http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=3094

      hopes that helps =)

  50. Stylish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the Yellow Dog wear a Red Hat?

    1. Re:Stylish... by thelizman · · Score: 1

      No, it keeps the Red Hat in the closet. But, it does at least openly discuss it's Red Hat (yes, "it's" is a pun).

  51. RH/7.4 too!! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

    RedHat 7.4 is also out. Download your ISOs here

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  52. Bah yourself, troll. by Erris · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Your ugly comment is short enough to quote entirely:

    Debian is "the one true Linux" and it runs just fine on my ibook. Anyone who is in the market for an easy to install and use Unix like system on a Mac will most probably go with OS X. I don't see what the selling point of a "Mac only" distribution is these days. Did I mention I thought Debian was great.

    At the risk of sounding like marketdroid, I'll tell you why it makes sense to have a "Mac Only" distro without understanding PowerPCs. The Terra Soft site says, "Terra Soft's integrated PowerPC solutions take advantage of the low power consumption and high performance of the IBM and Motorola PowerPC chips. When the Motorola's AltiVec(TM) unit (Apple's "Velocity Engine(TM)") is engaged --the result may be performance well beyond the CPU's given speed rating."

    Now that I've sung the praises of the Yellow Dog Linux Team, I'll furter quell your silly attempt to start a Debian flame war by your mirage post. You might mention WHY Debian is as great as it is. Little things like:

    Radically decentralized distribution. Debian mirrors can be found everywhere and the package system assures quality of the packages.

    Ease of install and upgrade. The Debian PowerPC istall can be found here. i386 install of Debian is easier than most Linux installs, though it may take longer. The power PC might be a little more difficult, I've never done it. Upgrade by command line "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" is the easiest upgrade I've ever seen.

    Trust. The overriding GNU philosopy of Debian makes all of the above possible and garuntees that Debian will remain free and easy.

    So Alec, what's a dude like you posting biggoted looking stuff like this for? Despite your earlier NT horror, you look like you might know better. Is there any reason you put Chinese characters on your proported home page? What's all those references to Death about? Do you really own a power book? Have you ever really installed any kind of Linux? Are your still using NT?

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    1. Re:Bah yourself, troll. by mir@ge · · Score: 1

      > "Terra Soft's integrated PowerPC solutions take
      > advantage of the low power consumption and high
      > performance of the IBM and Motorola PowerPC
      > chips. When the Motorola's AltiVec(TM) unit
      > (Apple's "Velocity Engine(TM)") is engaged --the
      > result may be performance well beyond the CPU's
      > given speed rating."

      How does this actually make YellowDog in any way competitive? What this means in plain english is, "Terra Soft makes a product that runs on macs." So does Debian and Apple whose products in my opinion are better. I may have been close to starting a flame war but that is what this press release is esentially about. That is the superiority of one distribution above others. It may be a matter of market forces or of personal taste but we all eventually make that decision.

      > So Alec, what's a dude like you [karoushi.net]
      > posting biggoted looking stuff like this for?

      Yeah, seems kinda dumb now. I guess I was filled with the rightousness of enui.

      > Is there any reason you put Chinese characters on
      > your proported home page? What's all those
      > references to Death about?

      Those are Japanese characters and they spell karoushi. Karoushi is the japanese word for "work to death".

      > Do you really own a power book?

      ibook damit!

      > Have you ever really installed any kind of Linux?

      Yeah, more times than I can remember on 3 different architectures.

      > Are your still using NT?

      Yeah, but not by choice.

  53. It runs fine on a G3-400 by denjin · · Score: 1

    We have a B&W G3 at 400mhz and home, and as long as you use 10.1.5 it runs quite fine, imho. Also make sure it has 512 ram.

    I guess the Rev A. is a bit slower though...

  54. Hella slow? by denjin · · Score: 1

    Compared to what?

    I have a B&W 400 at home, and that is only 50mhz faster... It is certainly acceptable, and the gui isn't any slower than X is on the k6-2 500 downstairs...

    Of course, use 10.1.5, it seems much faster on the ATI cards.

  55. Defending YDL by thelizman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yellow Dog Linux is also Free (as in Beer). Just like everyone else, they don't exactly make it easy for you to download the free ISO versions. You can FTP into ftp.yellowdoglinux.com anonymously. They don't have the ISO's up for the new version, but Pomona (2.1) and Rome (2.2) are there, and you can download all the new packages for 2.3.

    What I like about Yellow Dog Linux? Unlike other Linux companies, Terrasoft is actually expanding the scope of Linux by offering practical solutions built around the dynamite combination of PowerPC processors and Linux. I could shill all day about the Yellow briQ Node and the Black Lab Clustering distribution, but it just would'nt be dignified. They've also got a kickass 2U rackmount dual PPC Linux based server, which offers a wonderful alternative to Apples XServe.

    AFAIC, YDL deserves my $30, and non-linux types would be well served by the supported $60 version (better than Micro$hafts support). Like our friends Google, they're actually bringing legitimacy to linux, and helping push it into the public.

    1. Re:Defending YDL by alfredo · · Score: 2

      I have been with YDL since 1.2. I have strayed to other distros, but keep coming back. YDL works well, and delivers good value. They have even relieved me from RPM hell by including apt-get. I am grateful.

      I will upgrade in time, but 2.2 works so well, I see no need.

      I am a OSX fanatic, but have not and will not abandon Linux.

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  56. I'm Always Disappointed With Linux On The Laptop by thelizman · · Score: 1

    I just installed YDL 2.2 (I'm pissed, I would've waited for 2.3, but no bother) on a G3 550 PowerPC to use as a Scoop web server. I am utterly impressed by it's flexibility and stablity, and flabbergasted at how well it runs compared to my RedHat Linux 7.3 on an AMD Athlon 1700+ (with twice the ram).

    In my experience, any distribution is touchy on a laptop, and I personally had nightmares putting SUSE, RedHat, Caldera, and BSD on a Sony PCG-F580. Finally, I just put WindowsXP on there, figuring either way it was destined to be crippled : )

  57. OOH! OOH! OOOH! by thelizman · · Score: 0

    I wanna see the results! Can I watch, huh, pleeeze, can I?

  58. Duh! Re:Linux on a Mac? by thelizman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try running OSX on a PowerPC 7100, or a 6116CD. YDL will run swimmingly as a straight server, and is competitive to MacOS 8.6 (the last truly stable MacOS) while offering a helluva lot more features.

    OSX is bloated, but not overly so. Wait for the G5 processors to appear.

    1. Re:Duh! Re:Linux on a Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait for the G5 processors to appear.

      What's your guess? Every Mac user has a genetically programmed G5 release date guess, what's yours?

      Here's the reason I ask. I'm in the market for a TiBook, and my wife says I'm allowed to buy the SECOND G5 Powerbook. Not the G4, the G5. And not when they first come out, the SECOND one. So I am ANXIOUS for the G5's to come out. At this rate, I fear I might not be upgrading for years!

      Cool website, by the way.

      Zoober

    2. Re:Duh! Re:Linux on a Mac? by thelizman · · Score: 1

      I'm scared to guess. As long as they can ramp up the G-4's, I don't think there's much need to jump to a G-5 architecture. However, about 6 months ago Motorola made some kind of announcment about how they increased the capabilities of their PowerPC processors. With the release of G-4 iMacs recently, I'm guessin that it'll be it'll be somewhere between this coming macworld and the next. They'll probably release the iWalk this next macworld, but won't wait for the next ot announce G-5 based system.

  59. YDL IS FREE...as in Beer. by thelizman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Okay, all you trolls complaining about Terrasoft charging for linux need to log on to ftp.yellowdoglinux.com where you'll find ISO's for 2.1 and 2.2 avialable for download, as well as all the new packages for 2.3.

    Moreover, YDL isn't doing anything anyone else isn't doing. Charging for support and distribution. I'd pay $30 for the shirt it comes with.

    You should alse look at what else YDL is doing to further Linux: The Yellow briQ Node, Black Lab clustering server, and a 2U rack mounted server that makes X-Serve look bloated.

    These guys rocs like google does.

  60. Modup Please by thelizman · · Score: 0

    The anonymous coward makes a point. He should be rewarded.

    OTOH, Linux is not a waste of time. Nobody would know about BSD and Unix but for linux today.

  61. Re:YDL vs. ... Microsoft! by axxackall · · Score: 1
    Look at all these OS-X-addicted users - it's alive picture of microsoft-addiced users back a decade ago. When people don't have brains they demand look-n-feel. And then write in a resume - "professional mouse clicker".

    Actually I am not against look-n-feel, when it's not a goal, when it just helps, rather than disturbs.

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  62. Kernels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe a stupid question, but can the kernel modules be submitted to linus for mainstream integration?

  63. why OSX is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. OSX is not free
    2. OSX is proprietary OSX doesn't have networked GUI (X11)
    3. All OSX has got is a look-n-feel which is a b*llsh*t for Unix
  64. Think ... just keep thinking by axxackall · · Score: 1
    Linux helps you to grow, to get smarter. microsoft and apple addict you with their look-n-feel. Starring at GUI and dragging-n-dropping things improves your "professional mouse clicking" skills. But if you want to start thinking then Linux is your right choice.

    Linux helps you to understand the system architecture, network protocols and even programming concepts. In a lot of cases of Linux usage scenario you don't have to program or administrate your system by yourself. But the good news that such chance is not hidden from you - it's around the korner.

    Try to think about it (if you are still capable to think). Do you want to live the life of "professional mouse clicker"?

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    1. Re:Think ... just keep thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Linux helps you to grow, to get smarter.

      How so? you seem like a regular drooling retard to me.

  65. Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When are Purple Cat and Green Horse Linux going to release their next versions?

    And will they include XFree86 6.6.6 and kernel 11.9.01?

  66. open-source apps by bcrowell · · Score: 2
    I've switched nearly all my work from OS X to Linux. The reason is simply the availability of open-source applications. Fink is great, but the selection of apps is nothing compared to what you can run on Linux; and running X Windows on OS X is a royal PITA.

    I don't personally use ... Office, but it's nice to have when I working with others.
    So why not use OpenOffice on Linux?

    My only real complaint about Linux is that there is no standardization of user interfaces as there is with MacOS. It's pretty sad when cut and paste doesn't even work right...

    1. Re:open-source apps by jiminim · · Score: 1

      >It's pretty sad when cut and paste doesn't even work right...

      What is giving you problems cutting ans pasting?
      In X:
      copy = highlight
      cut = highlight, delete
      paste = middle mouse button

    2. Re:open-source apps by bcrowell · · Score: 1

      Some apps support the X mechanisms. Some support the Mac/Win-style mechanisms. Many don't even correctly support the mechanism they're supposed to support.

  67. Silly Post by reallocate · · Score: 1
    This silly post manages to combine two ill-conceived notions. One, that free-as-in-beer is the driving point behind Linux. Two, that a "community" of Limux users exists that empowers a hypothetical "we" to make decisions. Both notions are wrong and damage the long-term prospects for Linux, open source, free software, or whatver.

    It is the intellectual freedom -- sharing of code and ideas -- that distinguishes Linux, etc., from closed source software. Derisive comments, aired in public, claiming that for-profit companies have an obigation to "give it away" serve only to strengthen the image that Linux is a niche player that only merits attention from adolescent geeks who are too cheap/too poor to be of any interest as a market.

    And, what is it with all this "we" stuff? What community? Just because I run Linux doesn't make me a memeber of a "Linux community" any more than owning a Volkswagen makes me a member of a "Volkswagen community". This "community" business smacks of people who paint their faces anf go to football games. Get a life and make your own decisions.

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  68. any maccers here with experience on a 1400? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    --I have a trusty PB1400. currentlyrunning classic 8.1 I hear tales that 8.6 is 'the best" for this box, but then again, linux is cool, but then again, *most* linux ppc won't run on this box. S-o-o-o, anyone here ever try any linux on this machine? How does it compare with classic? classic has always been faithful and stable to me, a few minor glitches over the years, and nothin that zap the pram and rebuild desktop didn't fix.

  69. Hey moron.. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    Believe it or not, I'm not a soapdodging open source hippie. I couldn't give a shit if it's open or not. I should have known some anti-open-source wanker like you would jump on my saying " proprietary". I wasn't complaining that it was proprietary. Just using the term to refer to it.

    They are using BSD as a reference. Whee. That happens everywhere. IT doesn't have the feature set of fbsd, though, does it.. it's more restrictive than that.

    The point was, just because apple has a neat desktop doesn't make it 'the best unix ever'.