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Slashback: Disclosure, Maricopa, Telecoms

Slashback tonight with another round of updates and errata regarding recent Slashdot stories. Read on for more on domain slamming, the process behind fixing and revealing the recent OpenSSH vulnerability, early photography, and a special note for residents of Maricopa County, Arizona.

Quick work by smart people. ciaweb writes "The OpenSSH group has revised its security advisory about the recent OpenSSH vulnerabilities. In it, they describe their decision-making process for releasing the bug information. It is interesting to contrast their procedure, which appears designed to maximize user protection, against Microsoft's, which appears to maximize Microsoft's protection."

Pardon me, sir, would you mind if I SLAMMED THIS HAMMER ON YOUR FINGERS?! D0wnsp0ut writes "I thumbed through my mail today and found what appeared to be a renewal notice for my domain. This one came from "Domain Registry of America." Verisign attempted something similar back in March and Bulkregister.com fought back and won an injunction, against the mailings. So watch out if your domain is getting close to expiring. I talked to my registrar (Register.com) and they're aware of it.
I'll scan the letter but have no place to post the pictures. Can anyone lend some bandwidth?"

Half the world has never eaten a Krispy Kreme donut, either. cshirky writes "I've just written an essay on the phrase ' Half the world has never made a phone call'. It's more 'voice telephony-y' than the usual telecom stories here, but after seeing the interest in media and the market that surfaced during my /. interview, I thought it might be of some interest."

Please stop sending my money to Redmond, OK? TrumpetPower! writes "All that brouhaha over Maricopa County's policy prohibiting companies or persons convicted of antitrust violations has had an effect. I just received the following note announcing a public forum scheduled for this coming Monday.

You recently inquired about the County's use of Microsoft products and the manner in which we license their software. We appreciate your interest in the County's technology plans. To provide a forum in which to discuss our technology direction and address any questions you may have, we will have Information Technology staff members available to meet with citizens at 8:30 am on Monday July 8th. The meeting location will be the County Administration Building at 301 W. Jefferson in Suite 420. Please RSVP your attendance so we can ensure that adequate facilities are available for the meeting.

Thank you for your inquiry,
Paul Allsing
Deputy CIO
Maricopa County
301 W Jefferson, Suite 420
Phoenix, AZ 85003"

Ah, but what about the first annoying family photographer? 7h3_B055 writes: "Contrary to this article on Slashdot claiming the first photograph was created in 1826, much evidence is pointing to the fact that the Shroud of Turin may have been an earlier example (substantially earlier) of photography using ingredients as basic as egg-white for treating cloth (the photopaper) and urine for developing it. The camera itself could have been a simple box with a hole in it and the exposure time would have been lengthy."

Of course, there are a lot of theories about the Shroud of Turin, and a google search is likely to intrigue you for days.

208 comments

  1. if i were a county office, by RumGunner · · Score: 5, Funny

    i certainly wouldn't have my offices in suite 420.

    or maybe i would.

    1. Re:if i were a county office, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not "Suite 420" that's "SWEEEEET... 420!!!"

    2. Re:if i were a county office, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh? is that some oddball monty python reference? or maybe the simpsons? whatever it is, it's lost on me.

    3. Re:if i were a county office, by commonchaos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      a quick google search found a page on the meaning of 420.

    4. Re:if i were a county office, by G-funk · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Nothing makes me sadder and lose more hope for the future of society than stuff like this.

      "Policing your children and invading their privacy for Dummies"

      When will people realise that the way to help your child grow up safely is not to forbid things and sneak around in their personal communications? All you will achieve is a rebellious teenager who doesn't trust you. Teach them right and wrong, and teach them good and bad, and back up your teachings with sound reasons. They're probably going to go out and smoke pot a few times no matter what you do, so try and make it so they trust you and believe you when you say it's not always a good idea.

      If you can't come up with a convincing reason ("because it's bad mkaay" / "because i told you so" don't count) for forbidding your child to do something, they'll do it just to see what all the fuss is.

      </rant>

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  2. Great news for Linux! by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I'm really really really excited to hear about that New Mexico county that has a rule against using Microsoft software. As soon as some Slashdotter points it out to them they'll have no choice but to spend next weekend upgrading to Linux! It'll cost thousands, if not millions, of dollars to convert and retrain everyone, not to mention re-write all their internal software, but it will have the desired effect of marginally reducing M$ income and that means we win!

    Well, unless they decide to use MacOS. Or just change the rule. But honestly, with all the Linux users that probably live in that county, they'd be stupid not to take advantage of it.

    1. Re:Great news for Linux! by bobtheprophet · · Score: 1

      In the long run, switching to linux saves money. There're no licenses to buy when you upgrade, there's no need to cough up dough for machines fast enough to run the newest resource hogging version of windows, and there's no need to buy propriatry software when gpl'd programs work just as well. And of course, switching to linux helps keep those hackers from doing anything.

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    2. Re:Great news for Linux! by Wildcat+J · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm really really really excited to hear about that New Mexico county that has a rule against using Microsoft software.
      I think we had this problem last time this subject came up, but Maricopa County is:
      • in Arizona
      • the 4th largest county in the US
      • home of Phoenix, a major metropolitan area
      Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments. As someone who grew up in the area, I just wanted to defend my turf ;)

      -J

    3. Re:Great news for Linux! by Wildcat+J · · Score: 1, Troll
      "Otherwise, I agree with your sentiments."

      And yes, I too am being sarcastic. I realize that I failed (abysmally) to make that clear initially in my fervor to point our your geographic gaffe. Damnit.

      -J

    4. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, it may be among the largest, but probably NOT among the most populated. I suspect one of NYC's 5 counties to be the most populated.

    5. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's the meaning of largest vs. most populated, although it does contain all of the Phoenix metro area, which is quite a few people. Arizona is a large state (6th largest), and with only a handful of counties (15 I think) which makes many of them fairly large compared to counties elsewhere.

    6. Re:Great news for Linux! by Wildcat+J · · Score: 2, Informative
      An AC sez:
      well, it may be among the largest, but probably NOT among the most populated. I suspect one of NYC's 5 counties to be the most populated.
      You're welcome to suspect that, but you'd be wrong. Maricopa is fourth, and grew at a pretty healthy rate of 4% from April 2000 to July 2001. New York's Kings county is seventh, by the way.

      -J

    7. Re:Great news for Linux! by BoVLB · · Score: 1
      As soon as some Slashdotter points it out to them they'll have no choice but to spend next weekend upgrading to Linux!

      Except that, as was covered before, Microsoft is probably not a direct contractor to the county, and this change would affect future procurement anyway.

    8. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Further defending my great state:

      The city of Phoenix is the 6th largest in population. The city of Phoenix is roughly 12 square miles larger than the city of Los Angeles. Maricopa County, which holds the Metropolitan Phoenix area (Phoenix + suburbs Mesa,Tempe,Glendale etc.) is huge in area and population (roughly 3million). The area is refered to by some as the "Silicon Desert" because of the recent influx of tech companies.

      All that said, It would be interesting to say the least if the local government dediced to move away from Linux.

    9. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually you only need to defend against attacks, and I didn't think what I wrote was one... but whatever.

    10. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks for the info.

      my suspicion was that "largest" meant land area, not population (which is more important in this case). Because it's Arizona, I was htinking lots of area, lots of open space.

      But you've set the record straight - Maricopa is 4th by population. Who's largest by land area is still up in the air, but it doesnt really matter.

      (incidently, LA County (THE largest) was my second guess behind NYC, but I thought LA was two counties, not one)

    11. Re:Great news for Linux! by Wildcat+J · · Score: 1
      I think it's probably a close call between LA and Maricopa counties for land mass. The thing about the Phoenix metro area is that it's all contained in Maricopa county (when I say Phoenix metro area, that includes Scottsdale, Glendale, Peoria, Tempe, Mesa, Gilbert, Chandler, and so on). Your reasoning was sound, but NYC splits into quite a few counties.

      Speaking of LA county, that doesn't even include the whole greater LA area, right? For example, I think Anaheim is in Orange County, but I'm too lazy to do any actual investigation. There have to be some Californians around here that can fact-check my post...

      As a historical note--and this is based on recollection, not cold, hard facts--counties were traditionally supposed to be of a size such that anyone within the county could make the trip to the county seat in a day. Which certainly explains why Texas has so goddamn many counties. I've heard it suggested that the counties are larger in Arizona because it entered the union so late (Valentine's day 1912 IIRC), and travelling greater distances was easier than in the 19th century. Well, that, and we're lazy.

      -J

    12. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "silicon desert" ... yes, that was the case a year or two ago, but now, almost all of them have closed up shop.

      so, yes, "desert" is appropriate ... it's practically empty.

    13. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said they are going to use Linux? There's a 95% chance that Sun will step in.

      Yup, good idea there.

    14. Re:Great news for Linux! by Discopete · · Score: 1

      Actually, when a County employee clicks the "OK" button on the EULA during an install, It's a binding contract between the County & Microsoft, which makes MS a direct contractor to the county.
      If this wasn't the case, then MS would not be able to prosecute local government for software piracy (as they were trying to do in Austin, IIRC)

    15. Re:Great news for Linux! by Quila · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Microsoft is probably not a direct contractor to the county,

      MS likes to think its EULAs are binding contracts. Therefore, if the EULAs are valid, then there is a contract between the county and MS. Conclusion: Whenever someone in the county installs any MS product, MS is de facto a contractor.

      Alternate conclusion: MS wants its products used, and has to admit the EULAs aren't binding contracts in order to not be considered a contractor. All EULAs are then admitted by Microsoft to be invalid.

    16. Re:Great news for Linux! by tagishsimon · · Score: 2

      Alternate conclusion #2: Microsoft is a supplier. Suppliers supply goods. Contractors supply services.

    17. Re:Great news for Linux! by CantGetAUserName · · Score: 1

      Ah, but if they're moving to a rental fee-type system for their OS, surely they supply services - goods, AFAIK, are yours, once paid for, and stay that way.

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    18. Re:Great news for Linux! by Quila · · Score: 2

      The point is that MS and other software companies are trying to deny they are suppliers of goods. That would imply a sale, which would give the consumer rights under law, and they don't want that. They are instead saying they are implementing a licensing program where there is a license (contract) between the consumer and the vendor to use the software. They are therefore contractors.

      This actually falls within one of the parts of TCO that I've heard mention here. A careful company would have the lawyers review every EULA very carefully for every piece of software installed by every employee. The reason being that an employee would be entering the company into a legal contract (click-wrap) without prior legal review.

    19. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one law which I looked up happens to also forbid a barred company from being a supplier. This blocks a company from "laundering" their forbidden goods through an intermediate.

    20. Re:Great news for Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably don't have the money for Sun systems. I live in the valley and their budget doesn't look very good right now.

  3. Domain Registery of America Letter by Masem · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've gotten both the Verisign and the DRA letter, and after reading both in light of the Veresign suit, the DRA letter is VERY clear that submitting the form back to them will switch your registry to them; this is printed on the front of the letter in the same type as the rest of the page. In the Verisign case, the transfer statement was printed on the back of the letter in fine print (with no indication there was something on the back). While somewhat tacky, I don't think DRA is in the wrong here, compared to Verisign.

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    1. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 3, Informative
      I don't think DRA is in the wrong here

      Actually, I think they very well may be. Where did they get the address to send the advertisement to? I'm assuming the same place they got the expiration information - whois.

      Most whois servers have a notice like the following, I've noticed:

      "Any use of this data for any other purpose, including, but not limited to, allowing or making possible dissemination or collection of this data in part or in its entirety for any purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and solicitations, is expressly forbidden without the prior written permission of (Registrar). By submitting an inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty."

      My registrar's whois database has this notice. I got one of verisign's sleazy notes as well (though I knew what it was, at least.) If I get one from DRA, I'll be complaining...

    2. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you have not learnt any manners whilst I've been away.

      You are still the same ill mannered little toe wrag studying at a jumped up Polytechnic North of London who knows so much because he sells goods to people and uses Daddy's money to surf the Net.

      Get some manners, experience, knowledge and do something in life before mocking your betters.

      As I've told you before, you know nowt, have experienced less and you have little to say that is relevant, informative or accurate.

    3. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by jcoy42 · · Score: 1

      I've gotten both the Verisign and the DRA letter, and after reading both in light of the Veresign suit, the DRA letter is VERY clear that submitting the form back to them will switch your registry to them

      I've gotten both too. And I liked the Verisign one more. Why? Prepaid postage. I was able to let them know how I felt about it without wasting a stamp.

      The DRA letter comes with an envelope with a "place postage stamp here". I was annoyed, but not annoyed enough to waste 37 cents to complain to them.

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    4. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by faster · · Score: 1

      DRA definitely makes it clear that you're switching your registrar, AFTER the line that says you''re about to lose your domain. I got three notices from DRA, one via snail mail and two junk faxes. I'll be sending them a demand letter (a waste of a stamp, but a good way to vent) for the junk fax penalty.

      Oh, and all letters were for the same domain, even though I have 7 or 8 registered.

    5. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      The DRA letter comes with an envelope with a "place postage stamp here". I was annoyed, but not annoyed enough to waste 37 cents to complain to them.

      So? That's even better.

      Place your comments in the envelope and mail it back without your return address on the envelope, of course. They will receive your envelope with POSTAGE DUE, which costs them more than prepaid postage, I think double in fact.

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    6. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by billn · · Score: 2

      Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. At least he's got a pair big enough to put his name to his post. =)

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      - billn
    7. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by pacew · · Score: 1

      When I received a DRA letter, it seems like a couple of months ago, I thought it was deceptive, so I filed a complaint at http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFra udComplaint.htm. A week or so later, I got postal mail from DRA saying that had received my complaint from the post office and would remove my name from their mailing list and I haven't heard from then since.

    8. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In the Verisign case, the transfer statement was printed on the back of the letter in fine print
      HUH??

      Take a look at the scan on domainscams.
      It says "transfer" three times on the front page, twice of which in bold print. There's a "Renewal and transfer authorization" box that has to be signed (which is why they don't have to confirm by e-mail anymore, domainscams forgets to mention that they have written confirmation, and makes it sound as if they're going ahead without anything).
      (with no indication there was something on the back)
      At the bottom of the authorization frame, it says "By signing this authorisation, you agree to be bound by the terms and conditions on the reversie side of this form" at 1 cm from where you're supposed to place your signature.

      The slamming practice stinks, but the 'evidence' assembled against them here and on domainscams is held toghether with lies and false statements.
      After seeing that form, I get a feeling that whoever falls for this scam deserves all he gets for his own stupidity.
    9. Re:Domain Registery of America Letter by fliplap · · Score: 2

      Actually, you're wrong. I know exactly where they got the info, they got it from the WHOIS database, but you have nothing to complain about. You see

      "ICANN contracts mandate each Registrar to sell bulk whois data to anyone."

      Most registrar don't tell you this because if they did, hey, they'd lose money right? But if you use a decent registrar or read the ICANN agreement you'd know it. You can also opt out of it. Most sleazy registrar require you to write in or otherwise take a stupid amount of time todo it. Thats why I like gandi.net they're run out of france and have a big paragraph explaining it and radio buttons where the default is opt-out

  4. 'Half the world': Quantity _does_ matter by brendano · · Score: 2, Insightful
    o snapshot of telephone penetration matters, because the issue is not amount but rate. If you care about the digital divide, and you believe that access to communications can help poor countries to grow, then pontificating about who has or hasn't made a phone call is worse than a waste of time, it actively distorts your view of the possible solutions because it emphasizes a statist attitude.


    Wrong: it doesn't imply hopelessness, but rather encourages us to take action to change. Do you think that Kofi Annan wants us to throw up our hands and not care about the rate of improvement? No! By recognizing the magnitude of the problem, we can realize how important <i>more</i> improvement is. Just because things are improving doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about the huge inequalities that exist.
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    -Brendan
    1. Re:'Half the world': Quantity _does_ matter by cshirky · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough, Annan used *exactly the same quote* when addressing Davos in 2001. If he cared about rate, don't you think he'd have updated his figures?

      -clay

    2. Re:'Half the world': Quantity _does_ matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      KOfi anan just wants your money, freedom, guns, and your first born child. Thats all..

      Seriously, go to africa and see how much the UN has helped with anything. They havent, i was there.

      the problem in poor countries is usually bad leadership and lack of oppertunity for the people to help themselves.
      Lack of infrastructure hurts too, there cant be progress in thechnology if there is no reliable electricity, water, heat, AC.
      And lastly most people in poor countries dont CARE about technology anyway, they just want a reliable food source, medical care, drinkable water, and education.

  5. Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fission by ashitaka · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the linked evidence website...

    One theory is that Jesus became pure energy and the radiation burned the image into the cloth. This isn't a far fetched theory really. We don't know how He resurrected. As the theory suggests, He could have transformed into a form of energy. Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 tells that matter can become pure energy. In fact this is the same concept of an atom bomb - matter becoming pure energy using radioactive material as a catalyst.

    This is evidence???????

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  6. Not to be confused with. by Photar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Maricopa California. "Gateway to the sea."

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  7. Exactly! by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 3, Funny
    There's also a very shallow learning curve! And I'd like to reiterate your point about the upgrade treadmill--I've had my kernel installed since...gosh, it must have been mid-June when I d/l'd and compiled this baby. And XP's latest patch came out what, last week? HAHA, M$ SUXORS!

    It'll also be pretty sweet when all that GPL'd, SouthWest-oriented county management software can finally get used. It's been ramping up in usability on SourceForge for literally months and it's time to give that stuff a spin around the block!

    It's a great time to be a Linux fanatic!

    1. Re:Exactly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cut the crap PhysicsGenius, if you have a point please just make it. The sarcasm doesn't make you look smarter, sorry.

      In the company I work for at least, using Windows solutions means that we still have to write our own applications (since there's nothing commercially available, on any platform, that fills our needs) but that we get to pay $300 per machine in licensing for Windows, Terminal Server client, SQL Server client, etc. It's all the costs of a commercial app, and you have to write it yourself!

  8. Actual crucified foot, my ass by dstone · · Score: 2

    From that crucifixion photography link, the site shows us a very modern, very clear, very unrealistic (in my opinion) photo of an actual crucified foot (near the bottom of the page). Is it just me, or does that just look too nice and neat with carefully arranged (but not too messy) bright red blood? Thankfully I'm no expert on the subject, but it just looks so 'perfect'. Nice clean, attractive foot, nice rustic piece of timber (artistically angled for composition), artsy clouds in the background, carefully spread bloodflow on feet and wood, etc.

    One obviously questionable assertion that they try to pass off in the details makes for a whole site of suspicion.

    1. Re:Actual crucified foot, my ass by stripes · · Score: 1
      (artistically angled for composition)

      Not that this in any way diminishes your other six arguments, but...

      ...a good photographer has composition as second nature. Read the accounts of the people who covered the Sep11 attack. The were moving through streets of paniced people. Breathing choking air. Frequently crying both from the acrid fumes and the knolage of the loss of life (or fear of it).

      They also took stunningly well composed pictures. A cross framed by a shattered window. A white devistated landscape with an upthrust shard of a building "just so" to make a good composition. All of it. Plus I'm sure they were manually adjusting the exposure, because those scenes were not 18% grey...but that's another matter.

      So I would beleve that we got good composition of a brutal act too. As for the rest of it? Well, all valid arguments I think.

    2. Re:Actual crucified foot, my ass by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

      In certain cities in the Philipines, they crucify themselves as part of Good Friday. And, since his website is ".ph", one might assume that...

  9. register.com blows chunks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want spam?

    Every other week, since the beginning of May, I've received a snail-mail letter from them whining about how my domain name is about to expire. (It's already been reregistered for a good six years. *chuckle*) I was with VeriSign at the time, but switched to buydomains.com.

    I expected problems from VeriSign as my friend had some issues with them and transferring a domain awhile back. I was quite surprised, pleasantly, I might add. VS only sent me two snail-mail letters. One was a good deal away from the expiration date, reminding me that my domain would be up for renewal soon. The other was the same, but sent out before I transferred the registration. Got it the day after the transfer went through. *chuckle* I had no problems doing the transfer, either.

    Two letters, both nice and not trying to 'pull' anything, and zero issues. Aside from the price, I'm almost sorry I left VS, they seem to have gotten their act together a bit over the past few months.

    Now, register.com. Every other freaking week, as I've said. I mean, c'mon. VeriSign, I expected, after all, they were my registrar at the time, and they only sent me *two* letters!

    Spam is spam, be it via e-mail or snail-mail. I wouldn't recommend register.com for the sole fact that they obviously support spam.

  10. Urea photo developer recipe by pengu911 · · Score: 1, Informative

    Urea, a component of urine, can be mixed with sodium carbonate, sodium sulfite, catchetol(?), and ascrbic acid to make developer for film. I found the recipe on a holography site. I'm not sure about it's uses, though, as I'm no photographer. http://members.aol.com/gakall/holopg.html

  11. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Wildcat+J · · Score: 5, Informative
    The paragraph that follows amuses me too:
    What makes this theory eerily realistic is that when the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed in World War II, there were some walls left standing. Etched on those walls were shadows of spiral staircases, statues, and even people. Hypothesis is that the atomic explosion etched the shadows of images onto the walls. So if matter becoming pure energy, such as an atomic blast, can etch images onto a wall, it is not far-fetched that Jesus's resurrection could have done the same thing to The Shroud - if he produced some kind of energy of some sort in the process of resurrection.
    Hypothetically speaking (because I find the idea, to quote Mike Tyson, "ludacrisp") if Jesus were the energy source that etched this image on the linen, he wouldn't cast a shadow, now would he?

    -J

  12. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by EddieSam · · Score: 1

    If a mass as large as a human body were converted into energy you would *not* burn an image into a piece of cloth. You'd probably turn the planet into a big cloud of rock and dust.

    Nuclear weapons convert only a very small percentage of their reaction mass into energy, and the reaction mass is only a few kilograms to begin with. Now imagine 60 or 60 kilograms of mass being converted entirely into energy.

    BIG badda boom.

  13. Sarcasm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What are you talking about? I'm genuinely excited about Linux, dude.

    Also, I can really see why you'd look forward to re-writing all your software for free on a platform with no support, that's gonna rock!

    1. Re:Sarcasm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Support? We certainly don't get any support from Microsoft. That costs a lot of money on top of the purchase price of the license. In these hard times we can't afford such a thing.

    2. Re:Sarcasm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, I can really see why you'd look forward to re-writing all your software for free on a platform with no support, that's gonna rock!

      Yeah, sure sucks how there's no Linux support options. Except maybe a few. But they cost money. So they must not count. Because Microsoft includes free support with their products. Yeah.

    3. Re:Sarcasm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I got at least 10 minutes of support from Microsoft just yesterday.

      I wanted to remove Media Player so there would be less risk of my one remaining MS system being altered remotely, whether by an attack or by MS.

      I read the MP update notice which is featured on the Microsoft.Com front page..no mention of an EULA change. It does say that tech support for updates is free. OK.

      No, I don't have an MS Passport. I can't see the Tech Support options.

      I can't get to several pages due to "too many redirects".

      I can't get to the Support phone numbers, the Javascript on the pulldown list of products doesn't do anything.

      OK, I found the phone number of the local Sales office. Called them, asked for the Support number. Got connected to a Support person.

      Asked how to remove Media Player...chatted with this person for a few minutes, they switched my to a different department.

      This person went through some rigamarole, ended up at the Add/Remove Programs program and unchecked "Media Player" -- I already looked at that before calling, and it still says it removes 0.3MB of 50MB. Puts me on hold for several minutes.

      Tells me that Media Player can not be removed. Even though I don't want it. Even though Support tells me how to delete the icon (uncheck that box) and I'll be safe because nobody can then run Media Player.

      OK, it's done and so is the support call.

      I click on the Update icon which has been bugging me about doing an update -- even though I did that three days ago. It presents the same updates as before, including Media Player. OK, do the update.

      A Media Player icon appears on the desktop.

      I certainly am glad that I got Support.

  14. I am *truly* sorry about that... by realgone · · Score: 5, Funny
    The shroud article's paraphrase of one Dr. Nicholas Allen:
    He said all one had to do was suspend a corpse for three to four days in sunlight.
    I'd like to formally apologize to Sears Photo Studio for ever having complained while sitting through those family portraits back in the '70s. In retrospect, you were surprisingly gentle with me.
  15. All Registrars are scumbags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I get snail-mail letters from 'other' registries all the damned time (I have my domains with Verisign/network solutions/whatever the hell their name is). I'm in Canada so I get twice as much... a bunch from americans, and a bunch from canadian places.

    "Internet Registry of Canada"
    "Internic.ca"

    These (among others) send nice official looking letterhead and such to make it look like they're the place you normally have your domain with, whereas 'renewing' with them is transferring over to them. They also have this annoying habit of sending 'renewals' about six months before it's due, hoping I'll accidentally renew with them instead of when the normal Verisign renewals start coming (which is still about three months before it ends).

    I also get a variety of registrar renewal spam. However, I don't think Verisign helps their case by sending me renewals with these bizarre domains in the urls to click on (which do turn out to be actual verisign places). Since I don't click on urls without looking at them even the 'authentic' ones look phoney.

    My normal method is: I wait for the last couple of weeks before the domain expires. I go directly to the Versign site that I know, I do the renewal through the steps there. No fussing with mail or email they've sent me.

  16. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no, that would be from the "theory" page. at least report what the site actually says in context.

  17. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Funny


    One theory is that Jesus became pure energy and the radiation burned the image into the cloth.

    ...

    In fact this is the same concept of an atom bomb - matter becoming pure energy using radioactive material as a catalyst.


    "Yea. I knew Jesus. Nice guy. Real concern for his fellow man. Kinda quiet. But boy... once you set him off... what a temper!"
  18. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by red+flavor · · Score: 1

    Let's not forget that the amount of energy in a chunk of matter as large as an adult male human is greater than any nuclear bomb detonated yet.

    So instead of just leaving a face imprint, if JC turned into energy, he would have left a gigantic crater. Unless, of course, he turned into energy at a nice, controlled slow rate. But then he'd probably be burning away for a few centuries.

  19. as a physicist and a geek.. by RumGunner · · Score: 2

    i find the equation "E=mc2" extremely funny.

    1. Re:as a physicist and a geek.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why?

  20. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Ten+Pound+Pussy · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...if Jesus were the energy source that etched this image on the linen, he wouldn't cast a shadow, now would he?

    Jesus is a vampire? Does that mean if you take communion, you become a vampire? I can't believe the church doesn't advertise this. I'm on my way to mass.

  21. Vermeer: First Photographer by sjbrown · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...or perhaps first "camera"

    I recently saw a TV segment about research showing that he quite likely projected an image onto canvas using a lens, then painted or sketched the projected image.

    He probably wasn't the inventor of the technique. I believe it was called a 'camera obscura'.

    Just found a link, thanks to Google:
    Vermeer's Camera

    1. Re:Vermeer: First Photographer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you have not learnt any manners whilst I've been away.

      You are still the same ill mannered little toe wrag studying at a jumped up Polytechnic north of London who knows so much because he sells goods to people and uses Daddy's money to surf the Net.

      Get some manners, experience, knowledge and do something in life before mocking your betters.

      As I've told you before, you know nowt, have experienced less and you have little to say that is relevant, informative or accurate.

    2. Re:Vermeer: First Photographer by nfras · · Score: 2

      Research deos show that it is very likely that Vermeer used the camera obscura to obtain an image. He would be in a darkened room with an image projected on to the canvas. On some of his pictures details are "out of focus". However, you can hardly call what he did a photograph as all he did was use the camera obscura to obtain the basis for a painting. Had he chemically burned the image onto the canvas then you may have a case for an early photograph.

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    3. Re:Vermeer: First Photographer by kris_lang · · Score: 1

      Some of the "research" is that writer's belief that the amount of detail in Vermeer's painting is too accurate in rendering the actual shapes of objects. He just doesn't believe that it is possible for an artist to create free-hand images that can be correct. A lot of artists disagree with this conclusion.

  22. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow, that's really inane. Now I know why people some peole call some Christians morons... I'm a Christian myself, but I have had little awareness of all the hilarious "evidence" out there... Amazing that people think a big ball of radiation could walk out of the tomb and talk to Mary Magdalene...

  23. Re:Great news for Linux! -- LA East by reallocate · · Score: 1

    Maricopa County stretches for miles and miles, but a lot of people live in the Phoenx metro. I recently decided not to move there, after a week's worth of R&R and recon in the area. Too many people, too many cars, too much smog, too much haze. Last there in the mid-nineties, I left disappointed this time.

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  24. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by brsmith4 · · Score: 1, Funny

    seems like the xians are starting to lose faith and need to justify their blind beliefs through crackpot science. A fucking man turning in to energy? Thats absurd. Oh wait, I forgot, he's the son of god, or wait, he is god, or, maybe the holy spirit. Yeah... maybe he changed from jesus, to the holy spirit, kinda like one of those unexplained and baffling Star Trek 'energy beings' that we see in 3 out of every 5 episodes of TNG. Perhaps the equation should be revised: E = J C ^ 2? They can make one of those WWJD trinkets out of it.

  25. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Idylwyld · · Score: 1

    Actually the mass used for the Little Boy bomb was approximately 50lbs. Not much volume but uranium is damned heavy. And you're correct about the inefficiency of the fission, and that was even with an ideal sphere. Imagine the inefficiency of fission given a geometry like the human body.

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  26. Shroud of Turin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, the fanatics that believe in this shrowd BS, are now suggesting that Jesus, while in the grave, was egged and pissed on?

    BRAWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  27. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Scottaroo · · Score: 1

    Ohhh, Ohhh, let me answer:

    I will leave it to you to work this part out (or look it up yourself): The conversion of mass to energy via Einstein's famous E=mc2 yields one megaton (like a nuke) per 46.58 grams of mass converted. Sooooo, if Jesus is a normal dude of say, 65 kilograms, his little "resurrection" act would have released just short of 1400 megatons of energy.

    I'm just guessing here, but I think that someone might have noticed.

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  28. Detailed analysis of the exploit? by MrHat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I don't want to know this so I can run around and r00t a bunch of machines. I'm genuinely interested, since the flaw wasn't immediately apparent to me when I glanced at the patch a few days ago.

    With that said - does anyone have an analysis/description of where in the source the overflow was actually exploitable? I followed the auth_chall2.c call path fairly far, and didn't manage to find where nresp > 100 would actually overflow. It doesn't seem to be exploitable in the xmalloc() immediately following the patch, unless I really missed something. I didn't trace into openssl, so if it's an interaction between the two libraries, I wouldn't have hit it.

    Hints, pointers, source snippets? All are appreciated. :)

    1. Re:Detailed analysis of the exploit? by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Insightful
      here's some code that was posted to bugtraq:

      sshutup-theo.tar.gz

      See here for the corresponding message.

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      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    2. Re:Detailed analysis of the exploit? by MrHat · · Score: 1

      Thanks a lot. By the way, if anyone else is interested, the 01_DETAILS file in that tarball contains a really nice analysis.

    3. Re:Detailed analysis of the exploit? by BJH · · Score: 5, Informative

      My take on the problem (no guarantees, this may make you bald, blind and impotent, etc. etc.).

      The problem lies with the xmalloc line in:

      if (nresp > 0) {
      response = xmalloc(nresp * sizeof(char*));
      for (i=0; i < nresp; i++)
      response[i] = packet_get_string(NULL);
      }

      Basically, the sizeof(char*) will return 4 on a normal x86 machine... which means that if nresp is greater than one-fourth of 0xffffffff (UINT_MAX), i.e. over 0x4000000, then you overflow xmalloc(), which is just a wrapper function for standard malloc().

    4. Re:Detailed analysis of the exploit? by MrHat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I see it now. And I'm actually quite frightened I missed it on my initial read. :)

      Having just finished reading the Gobbles docs, though - The really cool part was the trace down through the error handler, through fatal(), which at some point downstream used a function pointer to call a destructor. Since the overflowed buffer wasn't on the stack, it took a little bit of initial frobbing to reclaim a malloc block close enough to the function pointer.

      If that wasn't impressive enough, there was even a comic strip to go with the exploit. :)

  29. It's JEBUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're absolutly correct. Actually, he was atomized by radiation somehow, according to an earlier post.

    1. Re:It's JEBUS by danro · · Score: 2

      And yet he didn't vaporize most of the middle east during his e=mc^2 ascent to heaven. (70kg matter makes a _lot_ of energy...)

      Truly miraculous ;-)

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  30. I know I can't be the only who thought of it by aTMsA · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think the first thing(s) i would try to clone if i could would be anything resembling human DNA in the shroud. It would be hilarious if some blond/black chinese guy(or even girl) come out of the clonation!

    1. Re:I know I can't be the only who thought of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is assuming:

      a) The shroud is what they say it is

      b) No one has left blood or other DNA on it in the many years that it has existed.

    2. Re:I know I can't be the only who thought of it by Rombuu · · Score: 2

      The guy's name was Jesus bin Joseph.. he was born in the Middle East... I'd be more shocked if said experiment worked and you got a Northern European.

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    3. Re:I know I can't be the only who thought of it by marko123 · · Score: 1

      You would probably get a guy who looks more like an Afghan or an Iraqi. There's a fucking funny coincidence.

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    4. Re:I know I can't be the only who thought of it by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      He'll look like William DaFoe.

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    5. Re:I know I can't be the only who thought of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not Kevin Bacon?

  31. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Hypothetically speaking (because I find the idea, to quote Mike Tyson, "ludacrisp") if Jesus were the energy source that etched this image on the linen, he wouldn't cast a shadow, now would he?

    I think your missing the point of religon itself. The ability to believe in something even though all evidence points away from it.

    Now I know why those creation science people can believe in some science but not all.

  32. So which is it? by 1010011010 · · Score: 2

    So did he have any broken bones, or not?

    In "Carrying the cross" --
    Christ's broken nose is attributed to the impact of his face hitting the ground as he fell while carrying the cross.

    In "Death" --
    The Gospel of John concludes that paragraph saying, "this was done so that scripture would be fulfilled that not one bone of His body be broken." And indeed, throughout the entire passion of Jesus, despite the extraordinary atrocities done to him, not one of his bones were broken.

    I's like to touch on a point not raised by the Shroud site. It stands to reason that Jesus was circumcised, being Jewish. so, when he rose to heaven, did he leave his foreskin behind?

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    1. Re:So which is it? by 1010011010 · · Score: 2
      Hehe!

      Naturally, the power and popularity of relics was dependent upon the saintliness of the original "owner." The ultimate source of relics, of course, was Jesus himself. But there was just one problem: it is clear in the New Testament that after his resurrection, Jesus was "carried up to Heaven." Thus, there just wasn't any possibility of a church acquiring Jesus' head or foot, as happened with various saints. For the most part, the only Jesus relics available were things like his crown of thorns, his robe, his sandals, or even pieces of the "True Cross."

      But then some astute theologian - or was it a businessman? - realized that not all of Jesus' body could have been actually transported up to Heaven. Jesus was, after all, a faithful Jew, and as such, he would have been circumcised like every other boy. So where was his foreskin? Whatever happened to that bit of divine flesh?

      And thus began a search for a very odd "Holy Grail" which resulted in not one, but up to a dozen different holy foreskins, each competing to be the genuine article. Of course, one presumes that they could not all be genuine and I am not aware of anyone who tried to argue that the unusual bounty was a miracle akin to the loaves and fishes.

      http://atheism.about.com/library/weekly/aa051000 b. htm
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    2. Re:So which is it? by dstone · · Score: 2

      did he leave his foreskin behind?

      Sure. Along with baby teeth and pounds of dead skin, shed hair, and toenail clippings.

      Not to mention countless gallons of solid and liquid waste.

  33. Re: You're embarassing me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mom! Quit talking about me on slashdot!

    ...And you never even tried to teach me manners. That was just an excuse to flog me with a beavertail.

    -sjb

  34. SuSE on the OpenSSH Vulnerability. by AgTiger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anyone who runs SuSE Linux from version 6.4 through version 8.0 inclusive may be interested in this.

    SuSE's "SuSE-Security-Announce" mailing list released this post today regarding their response to the OpenSSH vulnerability. It contains a ton of information, and FTP links to update your OpenSSH packages for the aforementioned versions of SuSE's distribution.

  35. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Alien+Being · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why naturally Sherman, you have heard of "Critical Mass" haven't you?

    -Peabody

  36. E = J C ^ 2 by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 1

    "Perhaps the equation should be revised: E = J C ^ 2? "

    Now that's funny.

  37. The first annoying family photographer... by EEBaum · · Score: 1

    Ah, but what about the first annoying family photographer?

    I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say they probably originated at about the same time.

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  38. 42 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is the answer, and Medivh is the cloaked prophet in WC3.

  39. Domain "renewals" by Anonymous+Commando · · Score: 1

    No need to find someone to host a scan of the DRA "renewal notice" - domainscams.com beat you to the punch a long time ago. They have scanned samples of these notices from VeriSign, Domain Registry of America, Domain Registry of Canada, and (just recently added) Register.com.

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  40. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 2

    This is assuming that the shroud even depicts Jesus. It seems one has to use circular logic to prove this (i.e. assume it is Jesus to prove it is Jesus, much like the problem with proving the existence of God.)

    Besides, everyone knows we only discovered nuclear fusion in the 1940s. Sillies.

  41. Down and out the DOwnspOut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, the finest flowery of slashdotterie, waxing indignant about a registrar sending out an advert that makes it quite clear that (1) they are not his current registrar, and (2) they're trying to interest him in switching to them in order to save money. Perhaps Our Indignant Correspondent hasn't ever seen that masterpiece of misdirection and outright lies that VerySlimy sent out. I did. I've also seen DRAs advertisement, and there's no comparison.

    Oh, BTW, dude, your darling register.com sent me one of those adverts, too. Arrived in the mail the exact same day as DRA's. You'll be pleased to know that on the slimy attempt to prey on the ignorant scale, they were no worse than DRA. They might even have been a bit better about making it really really clear that they were trying to sell you on switching to them, but they lose those points for their attmept to drop the names of their Great Big impressive clients without - ah, here's the rub - without ever actually naming them. Nope, not one name out of millions of businesses, organizations and individuals. Maybe they couldn't get permission from any of them?

  42. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by ChadN · · Score: 1

    No wonder the rock rolled aside...

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  43. nose bone? by timothy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    isn't the nose only cartilaginous, rather than true bone?

    Seems like a technicality either way, but still ;)

    My mom's nose was once broken by (someone else's) ski pole. They didn't even stop to apologize, which did not please her.

    Best book I've read on the SoT is the one by (iirc) John Heller, quoted on some of the sites I've seen today ...

    timothy

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  44. snatching domain snatching by ProfKyne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I talked to my registrar (Register.com) and they're aware of it.

    That's interesting, I have a letter from Register.com asking me if I want to extend my domain name term. But my registrar is easyDNS.com.

    I'm not kidding, I have it right here.

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    1. Re:snatching domain snatching by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      Yeah, Register.com has been doing it recently too. p.s. easyDNS rocks :-)

    2. Re:snatching domain snatching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      p.s. easyDNS rocks :-)
      Just wait a couple of years, and see if it still rocks. I just noticed that EasyDNS is owned by Lycos, and for me that says enough - I've had previous experiences with Lycos "services".

      For example lycos mail (later turned into iname.com), where I paid a not unsubstantial amount to get a lifetime forwarding e-mail address, for which I can now start coughing up an additional sum per year if I want to keep it "ad-free" and to retain the forwarding (which was included in the original lifetime deal - for which I have no proof of course, because it all was on the web).

      Hint: conditions you only get to see on a webpage only last until that webpage is changed.
  45. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 2

    Now we know how the phrase "Jesus Christ" came to be a term of awe, or frustration or anger, as in... "Jeesus Christ! Look at the guy explode !" :-)

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  46. Not all by jcsehak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My domains are registered through Go Daddy. I used them because they were cheapest and a friend recommended them to me. To date (several months), I have recieved no spam from them other than a notice warning me about Verisign's nasty renewal notices, and a recent notice about how they're making domain transfer free. Also, my normal flow of spam didn't noticeably go up after registering. So while I'd agree that most registrars are scumbags, I gotta say I'm very happy with Go Daddy. So far, at least.

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    1. Re:Not all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheaper than www.namecheap.com?

    2. Re:Not all by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      Best registrar I've worked with is easyDNS - very good service, and their online domain management? OMG! My DNS changes are active within 15 minutes, it's sweet. :)

  47. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Why naturally Sherman, you have heard of "Critical Mass" haven't you?

    Is that Easter or Christmas?

  48. Half the world has never made a telephone call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, that article sure wasn't convincing. It makes a big deal about cell phone usage going up by orders of magnitude, and then gives us an unimpressive figure: 342 million subscriptions. And we don't know how many of them weren't already land-line serviced. I would like to have a good figure on how much of the world is serviced by land-lines or cell-phones. This article simply didn't have enough facts.

  49. not to mention the AMOUNT of energy... by josquint · · Score: 2

    OK...
    if a pure matter to energy conversion took place...

    Energy = Mass(Speed of light)^2

    Assume a 90kg person, and C= 2997992458 m/s

    Energy = 90kg(299792458m/s)^2

    Energy = 90(8.9876e16)

    Energy =5.3925e18 kg-m/s or 163,410,032,498,000,000 kilowatts

    SO in short, that shroud wouldn't have an image burned in, the shroud (along with a good deal of the surrounding tomb and Pilate's Guards would have been vaporised. :) ... the problem when applying human logic to Devine events...

    1. Re:not to mention the AMOUNT of energy... by rlp · · Score: 2

      Using a different conversion I get:

      (Assuming 50 Kg converted to energy)
      Conversion factors & Constants
      1 joule = 10000000 erg
      C = 3 x 10^10 cm/sec
      1 megaton-tnt = 4.18 x 10^15 joules

      E = mc^2

      E = 5x10^4 g * (3 x 10^10 cm/sec)^2
      E = 5x10^4 * 9 * 10^20 ergs
      E = 4.5 * 10^25 ergs
      E = 4.5 * 10^18 joules
      E = 1077 megatons-tnt !!!

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    2. Re:not to mention the AMOUNT of energy... by corey_lawson · · Score: 1

      ...not to mention the probability of this happening. Theoretically, we should all be able to quantum mechanically walk through walls. But the probability of us doing it is at least as small as 10^-38, if I remember my QM class correctly.

  50. Shroud!! by logicnazi · · Score: 2

    No it is pretty clear the shroud of turin was constructed in a similar (but more complicated) manner as rubbing a pencil over a sheet of paper held on top of a credit card. In other words they put the shroud on top of some statue and then imprinted that on the shroud.

    The only reason someone would claim the shroud was a photograph is because it is a negative image like negatives are. In no way shape or form was a picture taken involving pinhole cameras and the like. I mean good photosensitive materials were a long way in coming still.

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    1. Re:Shroud!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One very reasonable explanation I saw of the shroud was someone took a bust and heated it. They then took some cloth and threw it on the bust and it burned or charred a negative onto the cloth. The result was pretty similar to the shroud.

  51. Maricopa going open source (or whatever) by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Informative
    For all of you Linux/BSD advocates that are obviously droooling over this oh-so-cool-good-vs-evil "stuggle"... I can categorically assure everyone that this will never happen. Never.

    As someone who regularly consults at the county , city and AZ state agency level, I hate to inform ya'll that this is very much a Microsoft kinda town. Yep, you heard it here first.

    Further, Maricopa county is small potatoes when compared to the state and city agencies/IT budgets. Scottsdale's (one of the valley's cities) CIO probably has four times the dough than the dude that runs the county's boxen. Not to mention Phoenix city proper. And Tempe, Chandler, Mesa, etc. etc. Oh, and the state government.

    And of course, government agencies are the least prepared to transition an existing employee base to a brand new technology paradigm, regardless of the cost benefits this might theoretically bring (or how supposedly easy it is to switch to Linux/KDE/OSS Office suite).

    Sorry, I had to break the news.

    1. Re:Maricopa going open source (or whatever) by geekoid · · Score: 2

      secerla counties in California would fit the description you gave, but about 4 years ago they switched to BSD and or Linux. The transition was as smooth as any windows upgrade. "Retraining" took almost no time.
      Considering how far the UI has come, its only got to be easier to migrate.
      As soon as someone with political power ralizes its there ass if MS screws up, the tend to rethink things.
      What do you think would happen if the BSA showed up at the mayor's office to check there lisences?

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    2. Re:Maricopa going open source (or whatever) by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      Considering how far the UI has come, its only got to be easier to migrate.

      Oh, I agree. But getting there is the problem. Think about it - thousands of employees who can barely use Windows, all of the sudden thrust into the Gnome desktop... nah. It won't happen, sorry. It doesn't matter how much money they could save. And this of course is a problem *everywhere*, not just in a single Arizona county.

      What do you think would happen if the BSA showed up at the mayor's office to check there lisences?

      You'd be surprised. Most gov't MIS shops I've dealt with have very stringent software auditing rules. I've yet to see a blatant free-for-all piracy slugfest at the agencies. I've seen that sort of thing in private companies many times, of course.

    3. Re:Maricopa going open source (or whatever) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably 95% of what these people do is Word and Excel things. Maybe Access, e-mail and the Internet too. Linux does all of these things. They are getting paid to work there, so if they have to figure out a few different icons and how to mount floppies, it won't be any different from having the switch from Windows to Mac. If you let the tech people stuggle with the install phase (which will be the tough part) The using phase isn't bad.

      And think of the viruses that won't come through this office.

  52. Are you out of your fucking mind? by Kombat · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You're obviously not a parent. Policing your children? Duh! Hello! McFly!?! That's what parenting is. What, you think kids are born knowing right from wrong, and parents are just supposed to stay out of the way and occassionally put food on the table? What friggin' world are you living in???

    When will people realise that the way to help your child grow up safely is not to forbid things Gee, maybe the same time they realise that if a pair of minors wants to have unprotected sex, then that's their business. I.e., NEVER, HOPEFULLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING FUCKING STUPID.

    Hey Genius, we're talking about minors here, doing illegal things. It's one thing if you want to try and make a point about the futility of the war on drugs among adults, and the government's assault on civil liberties by trying to regulate activites exclusive to one or more consenting grown ups, but geez, kid, get your head out of your ass and use some common sense. We're talking about kids here. I know in your little fantasy world it's the 10-year-olds who are hacking out the planet-saving patches keeping this fragile society together, while the Ph.d educated engineers at Microsoft scratch their heads in awe, so this may surprise you: kids DON'T know it all. Kids need guidance. They need discipline. And, to borrow a phrase from my father, as long as you're living under my roof, eating my food, and using my phone, you're going to follow MY RULES

    Good Lord man, you take this all kids are good and can be trusted thing too far.

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    1. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      Word up, brother. In fact, I just ranted about this myself. If I may quote myself, "Where does this bullshit come from that 'they're just going to do what they're going to do anyway, and there's no way to stop them, so you might as well let them do whatever they want'?".

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    2. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously haven't raised children.

    3. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by kzinti · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear, well spoken Bruce!

      --Jim, father of two

    4. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by G-funk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hahahaha! You (and probably your father) are an idiot.

      I know in your little fantasy world it's the 10-year-olds who are hacking out the planet-saving patches keeping this fragile society together, while the Ph.d educated engineers at Microsoft scratch their heads in awe

      What the fuck are you talking about? Who said anything about patches, or little kid geniouses or anything like that?

      Were you even reading my post? The fact is You cannot stop your children from doing things they want to do. You know this. your parents tried it, and you did them anyway. So did your friends. All I said was that reaing your childrens' diary (a lot of my female friends had parents who liked to do this), reading his email, listening in on his phone calls, and stealing his pager and deciphering his "code talk" are not the way to go about things.

      Policing children is not what parenting is about. Parenting is about _RAISING_ children, and teaching them: teach them how to make their own decisions about what's right and what's wrong, because by the time their desicions are life-threatening (unprotected sex, dui, drugs) they're going to make their own decisions wether you like it or not. Telling them what to do and what not to do is of course good - expecting them to do it "because i said so" is a fruitless and potentially damaging way of things.

      Kids need guidance. They need discipline

      I never said otherwise. And I never said kids can be trusted to do the right thing. But that doesn't make it right to go through their personal things looking for evidence just in case.

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    5. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Amen, Brother.

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    6. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by The+Grey+Mouser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey Genius, we're talking about minors here, doing illegal things. It's one thing if you want to try and make a point about the futility of the war on drugs among adults, and the government's assault on civil liberties by trying to regulate activites exclusive to one or more consenting grown ups, but geez, kid, get your head out of your ass and use some common sense. We're talking about kids here. I know in your little fantasy world it's the 10-year-olds who are hacking out the planet-saving patches keeping this fragile society together, while the Ph.d educated engineers at Microsoft scratch their heads in awe


      I think the original posters' point is that children should be allowed to mistakes. Even dangerous ones, on occasion. A sterile, overprotective environment is anathema to a child's intellectual development. Indeed, this is observed in all primates, not just humans. The idea, I think, is to equip the child as best you can; to instill judgement and sense into their inchoate minds. Yes, punish them when they screw up. Yes, instill a healthy (not iron-fisted) discipline so they can grow up respecting themselves, and make intelligent choices. And, yes, sadly, you have to let them fall down once in a while. The risk you take in doing so is an investment in the child's psyche. Growing up is dangerous---it has to be, I think.

      But where did you pull that 10-year-old hacker thing from, anyway? That was quite the non sequitur...


      And, to borrow a phrase from my father, as long as you're living under my roof, eating my food, and using my phone, you're going to follow MY RULES


      Well, that's fine. However, if you've done a proper job, one day your child will ask you where those rules come from, and their justification. You owe it to them to have a thought-out answer.

      Cheers,

      Michael

    7. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by Troed · · Score: 0, Troll
      ... do you know that the rest of the civilized world laugh at "parenting" in the US?

      Of course you don't. You probably believe everything done in the US is done the right way.

      It's not.

      Teach by setting examples, not rules.

    8. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by neocon · · Score: 1
      I support the Palestinians. So would you if you cared to open your eyes

      Is there something about opening eyes which you believe inclines people to support totalitarian dictatorships which pay their citizens to send their children to blow themselves up in the children's areas of restaurants in order to distract them from the fact that their own government is responsible for the misery they live in? Really?

    9. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by fliplap · · Score: 1

      It sure as hell does mean going through thier things. Kids shouldn't have secrets, they WILL have them, but there's 2 things that will happen. There are some things they won't do, because they know you'll find out. And there's something they'll just hide better. So you've just taught them 2 important lessons, take risks, but not stupid ones. And think things out, if you're going todo something, do it right damit. I know, because thats how my mother raised me. I was rarely punished, but hell, I knew when I did something very wrong.

    10. Re:Are you out of your fucking mind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I may quote myself, "Where does this bullshit come from that 'they're just going to do what they're going to do anyway, and there's no way to stop them, so you might as well let them do whatever they want'?".

      I'm guessing it's the drugs.

      Natural selection at work in your back yard.

  53. Phoenix residents-- this is your chance... by VValdo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you live in the Phoenix Metro area, this is your big chance to make a great impression, show interest in your local government, and learn something too -- I mean, this is great-- the people who make important decisions about the county's technology are going to be LISTENING to you-- aside from the inevitable rips on Microsoft (easy to do), be sure to play up the cost-benefits and reliability of Linux and *bsd as viable alternatives. Have some printed materials (or CD-ROMs?) to give out.

    If you seem too fanatical or "out there", you may scare them off-- it's easy to dismiss a lunatic, even when they're right. So please don't dress like Obiwan ;) A well-thought out, reasoned discussion about the benefits of open source software may make a tremendous difference if you can reach the right people and they are truly open to change.

    Good luck everyone! Let us know how it works out Monday! Someone call the Arizona Republic and New Times. (And be on the lookout for a counter-offensive from Microsoft).

    W

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  54. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Tokerat · · Score: 2

    if Jesus were the energy source that etched this image on the linen, he wouldn't cast a shadow, now would he?

    No, but he could have left burn marks...

    Granted this makes their explanation of shadows and Hiroshima completely unfounded, but it still doesnt' eliminate the possibility. Personaly the image looks rather unasthetic to me.. is it proportional? Has this been measured?

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  55. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by guttentag · · Score: 1
    You obviously don't understand catechistic logic: read, memorize, regurgitate. Understanding and challenging are not required, but if you are forced to analyze a discrepancy, proceed with the assumption that the unsubstantiated information you memorized as a child is infallibly correct.

    Therefore, since we "know" Jesus spent 40 days in a fiery hell between his resurrection and his ascent to heaven (Lesson 7 of the Baltimore Catechism), it's reasonable to assume that he may have used nuclear fusion to slip away undetected. And used a force field to contain the explosion. And protected the shroud from being incinerated, but exposed it just enough to leave his shadow. After all, God created fusion "thousands" of years before man discovered it. It stands to reason he would be able to control it better than we do.

    Another -- more plausible -- theory is that Jesus "miracled" himself up to heaven.

    Personally, I believe the guards were drunk and didn't notice him slip out the back and hop a ship to the Bahamas. Hey, I'm entitled to my beliefs.

  56. Maricopa's Policies by Dunkalis · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if Pima County has similar policies?

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    1. Re:Maricopa's Policies by SEWilco · · Score: 2
      Policies like this?

      Chapter 11.28
      Suspension And Debarment Of Contractors

  57. Domain switcheroo in Canada --very sneaky by colenski · · Score: 1

    I got a letter for some of my .ca domains last year and it was very mis-leading. The registrar had purposefully used a Canadian flag logo and a Helvetica-variant font to make it almost indistinguishable from a letter that the Canadian government (specifically CCRA, equiv. of IRS) would send out. Canadians are very respectful of the government and have a "sign first, ask questions later" attitude with correspondence from the government. I think the scam got blown open when someone got wise and informed someone in the gov. and they came down on the registrar hard not because he was scamming people but he had violated Canadian government copyright (look and feel, and all that)

  58. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

    Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

    Yep... that Mediterranean Sea's looking a lot more suspicious now...

    ;)

  59. register.com guilty too by YeOldeGnurd · · Score: 2

    Yeah, that's right, register.com may be "aware" of other slams, but they are at least as bad. In fact, they are the only registry that has attempted to trick me into a "renewal" slam. I got the official-looking notice referring to my 5 domains just last week.

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  60. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by slickwillie · · Score: 2

    Are you talking about the Shroud of Turin or the Shroud of Urine?

  61. Maricopa Wasting Taxpayers Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget to remind them to rip out their phone systems, after all, AT&T, the Baby Bells and all that.

    Good job, lets now re-train the end users. Then lets fire or re-train the IT dept. Boy, it's a good idea to make broad sweeping decisions, isn't it?

    Whoops, did the county go bankrupt yet? Good thing that they saved all this money throwing out all their software. Oh, Tax increase? No problem! We have a new OS, and it's not Linux, it's Sun.

  62. Secure registrars? by bluegreenone · · Score: 1

    I'd like to change my register from Verisign, but one thing I like about their service is that you can manage your accounts from SSL-protected pages. Does anyone know of other registrars with similar security measures for managing accounts?

  63. Early photography by rnturn · · Score: 4, Funny
    ``the Shroud of Turin may have been an earlier example (substantially earlier) of photography using ingredients as basic as egg-white for treating cloth (the photopaper) and urine for developing it.''

    Now while I'm wondering how someone decided that oysters were edible, I can wonder how someone figured out 2000 years ago that urinating on an egg-white soaked cloth would produce an recognizable image. I know that things like gun cotton and Bakelite were discovered by accident but this egg-white thing I'm finding a bit hard to believe. But I would sure like to see a Mel Brooks bit on that historic moment.

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    1. Re:Early photography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people with this idea are not suggesting that the shroud was made 2000 years ago. Not that this makes the scenario any more plausible...

  64. Lawsuit coming?? by poisoneleven · · Score: 1

    So, with Paul Allsing being the CIO for the county, wouldn't it make sense that if they were to go with a future MS contract, we could hold him responsible and sue him for breaking the law? I'm not sure on all of the legalese here, any lawer types want to help on this one? I would certainly contribute several hundred dollars to a legal fund to enforce current law in my County, and plan on it if given the opportunity!

  65. Krispy Kreme by BlueFall · · Score: 2, Funny

    Half the world has never eaten a Krispy Kreme donut.

    Is that by weight? ;-)

  66. Amen. by Axe · · Score: 1
    .. Nice to know somebody around with a bit of sense.

    I was lucky to have parents who never intruded - dad, sometimes wanted to "help" me clean my room, but mom will always escort him out. I turned out to be the least problematic kid among my friends - and the most mature one. Same for my brother and sister. And my friends where always dropping by to talk to my mom and dad to ask for advice.

    My son is just born, but that how I will raise him

    Now for the previous poster - go and try to earn reputation - so that your kid and his friends will come to you and ask for advice - and follow it, without pressure, without EVER sneaking into their affairs. My bet they will obey you in public, and either drug themself silly or/and grew up a pricky dick, just like yourself.

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  67. the word "may" by fishbowl · · Score: 2

    I'm glad there's going to be a hearing (re: Maricopa) but I believe that everyone there will simply be clarified on the spirit of that law, which is to give the County a means to unilaterally sever a contract IF THEY WANT TO, and establishes some reasonsble grounds to do so, probably limited by what's appropriate to the State constitution.

    I don't read the statute as a binding mandate on the county to stop doing business with a contractor, but rather, as an escape valve that they may exercise if they so choose.

    I suspect that everybody who shows up Monday will be told as much, if the matter is even addressed. I'll try to be there...

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  68. Really No Kreme? by mageben · · Score: 1

    Now I'll believe that many people haven't made a phone call, I mean African and rural China are huge as are the number of small children who haven't learned yet, but I bet every one of 'em has enjoyed the delicious flavor of Krispy Kreme's wonder of innovation.

    -Ben

    Boy I hope this is the FP!

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  69. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by marko123 · · Score: 1

    Don't you xtians go to school? One gram of Jesus converted to energy could boil an olympic pool dry. More than once. If the whole lot upped and converted to energy at the same time, there sure as hell would be no fucking easter.

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  70. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by marko123 · · Score: 1

    If Jesus went critical, WWJD could mean Where Would Jesus Detonate.

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  71. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but isn't the image on the shroud a negative?

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  72. Maricopa Meeting Help by tickticker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hello, I am a member of PLUG and have RSVP'd for the meeting and was going to post a request to the slashdot community for documentation on successful conversions from M$ to Linux, including articles or links to sites, so I can go armed with some facts on government conversions including military, local, state, federal, school systems (many of our school systems in AZ use the same rules for contractors as the county does), etc. For instance, about those schools in the northwest that converted their labs recently. thanks, just reply to this thread and i will keep an eye out for it, or email me at the above address.

    1. Re:Maricopa Meeting Help by Quila · · Score: 2

      Why not a conversion to Apple? Gartner just showed a very low TCO in a study in Australia, and they're a lot easier for mediocre admins to keep straight.

    2. Re:Maricopa Meeting Help by tickticker · · Score: 1

      My bad, yes there are many plans for replacing M$. That would be fine, I am just not familiar with larger government installs of Apple solutions. desktop replacement yes, but the many large databases would probably port and scale better on other systems.(read not just linux)

    3. Re:Maricopa Meeting Help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to buy all new Apple hardware, which is much more expensive than the software install.

  73. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    How much different is that from the Moses talking to a burning bush?

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  74. Bandwidth needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "I thumbed through my mail today and found what appeared to be a renewal notice for my domain.... I'll scan the letter but have no place to post the pictures. Can anyone lend some bandwidth?"

    Um, how about at your domain?

    Oh, you're just hanging onto it for a rainy day? Naughty, naughty!

    1. Re:Bandwidth needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would point out that perhaps, knowing of the infamous /. effect, the poster didn't want to burn a major hole in his bandwidth budget by posting the letter at his site and being innundated with traffic.

      However, I'd be happy to welcome visitors to www.a1161.com to see if he was incorrect in his assessment... :-)

  75. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know what else is amazing? Some people think there is an invisible man in the sky watching and keeping track of everything they do. :|

  76. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My theory is that the bushes where really huge skunk plantations. Hence the talking to no one part.

  77. Newsflash: by Aapje · · Score: 2

    Jesus suffered from obesity. He ate far too much radioactive fish. The evidence: the lake was so polluted that you could walk on it.

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  78. Never say never, start small think StarOffice by gnugnugnu · · Score: 1

    please do consider that getting Operating System is not always the right answer right now (a week is a very long time in politics, never is ...)

    keep in mind there is crossplatform software available most notably StarOffice/OpenOffice.org from Sun Microsystems.
    TheKompany.com do some QT based cross platform software.
    Abiword is also Cross Platform, the first and second points in this old FAQ say nicely what i mean.
    http://www.abisource.com/dev_faq.phtml#1.1

    I like Linux and BSD too but I am not going to force anyone to use them but i aint gonna do free Windows Tech support, friends dont let friends hurt themselves (unless they are into that sort of thing which is a whole nuther story).

  79. Pisschrist by ChrisGuest · · Score: 1

    Well it sounds the maker of the shroud predated Andres Serrano by 600 years.

  80. Interesting that the poster talked to register.com by theAbyss · · Score: 1

    I recieved one of these exact letters from them yesterday, and they are NOT my registrar. I'm sure they'll get right on it.

  81. Krispy Kreme donuts by Luyseyal · · Score: 2

    as an Austinite, it's my duty to profess the truth: Round Rock donuts are better.
    And now, back to your regularly scheduled surfing...
    -l

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  82. MS Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't believe you.
    You regularly consult for my ass.
    I used to for for santa in his workshop,
    and they all used linux :-P
    Check out all the comments this guy has posted.
    He claims 90% of mexican congressmen can barely read and write.

    1. Re:MS Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      He claims 90% of mexican congressmen can barely read and write.

      Gosh, that'd mean that 90% of them were educated in the U.S.!

    2. Re:MS Troll by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      I don't believe you.

      And?

      Check out all the comments this guy has posted.

      I suppose I feel flattered.

      He claims 90% of mexican congressmen can barely read and write.

      An exaggeration to be sure, but unfortunately true to a certain extent. Then again, let me know when you come back from Mexico after working as a consultant for 7 years. I'd love to swap war stories.

      Say hi to Santa for me.

  83. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine the chaos when a Ten Pound Pussy shows up in church. Of course, the priests won't notice...

    Ba DA dum

  84. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And are you a cannibal because you are eating the flesh of Jesus, the human body of God?

  85. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That explains why so much of that area is desert. A huge thermonuclear explosion.

  86. How to get /. out of money problems forever. by RiC!N · · Score: 1

    Find a toilet paper manufacturer visionary enough to enrich their product with a weekly /. hardcopy.
    After all... everyone has one.

  87. It's likely that similar bugs are still there by iamacat · · Score: 1

    I am not so sure about their patch for the problem. Instead of checking after every call, they should change packet_get_int() itself to packet_get_int(int min, int max) that calls fatal() if number our of range. Otherwise, there are probably lots of other cases that can choke on strange values. If nresp is signed (not obvious from the patch), there might be fun with sending negative numbers as well. Similar, xmalloc should have a check for allocating blocks of ridiculous size. Also, look at the second patch. If they still need to check for nresp > 100, how does context_pam2.num_expected come to be over 100? Shouldn't they check it as well at the time they create it?

  88. Media has been invited :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I scrounged up a local reporter in charge of investigating government waste and both emailed and left voice mail about the Maricopa County meeting.

    Will also invite the local muck-raking weekly to the shark tank.

    Who is bringing the popcorn?

  89. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming, of course, that Jesus had mass.

    If you posit a divine creation ex nihilo, which violates the principle that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, then it's not too hard to question whether the mass of one Jesus could be unequal to the mass of an ordinary human.

    Of course, if you believe God created matter out of nothing, it's also not out of line to assume that God has the potential to etch any image he wants onto any material surface, whether that surface existed prior to his etching it or not, and to assign to the surface receiving the image whatever ratio of carbon molecule he so desires, just to fuck with people who feel like carbon dating it. Who knows... maybe it amuses Him.

  90. Re:Shroud evidence: Jesus underwent nuclear fissio by bribass · · Score: 1

    How much different is that from the Moses talking to a burning bush?

    One does not necessarily need to beileve in the spiritual to believe that Moses was lacking in the mental health department. Talking to himself while facing in the direction of a bush someone lit on fire? Heck, for all we know Moses himself lit the thing on fire.

    </satire>

  91. The sue their dumb asses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also live in Arizona, and I've worked for several county governments here over the last thirty years. You don't want Microsoft to be a software vendor in Maricopa County? Then sue the Board of Supervisors. No, I'm not kidding... look at their track record in defending themselves against past lawsuits... they always settle, and sometimes even when they could clearly win. The County Attorney is notoriously understaffed, overworked, and inexperienced. Past performance says they'll fold up and wave a white flag if you wave a discovery motion in front of them. Shit, you could probably get Microsoft off their vendor's list for less than the cost of the celebration kegger afterward.

    Lawyers. That's the way Microsoft would do business, it's only fair that we should use the same tools.

    (Posting anonymously because I'll still need to eat.)

    1. Re:The sue their dumb asses by The+Bungi · · Score: 1

      You're partially right, but the BOS dance to Skip Rimsza's toot anyway. Keep in mind that Maricopa has a few support agreements with City of Phoenix... what are they expecting? For the city to retrain their staff just so the county can claim the moral high ground? I doubt it.

  92. Maricopa letter translated by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2

    You recently inquired about the County's use of Microsoft products and the manner in which we license their software.

    You got my ass raked over the coals by the Board of Supervisors. Goddamned Linonuts.

    We appreciate your interest in the County's technology plans.

    I'm damned tired of you taxpayers poking your nose into how I waste, errr I mean spend, your money. If you'd all just die now, it would make my career that much easier.

    To provide a forum in which to discuss our technology direction and address any questions you may have, we will have Information Technology staff members available to meet with citizens at 8:30 am on Monday July 8th.

    I'm gonna have enough MCSEs at that meeting to outnumber you commie hippy Linonuts two-to-one. And Microsoft plans on having every OEM and VAR in the valley there too.

    Please RSVP your attendance so we can ensure that adequate facilities are available for the meeting.

    I'm making sure that most of the audience will be Microsoft shills, and the place will be so crowded by sunrise you won't even get inside. There'll be enough of us make you look pretty stupid if this gets on TV. But it probably won't.