I'm just angry that it takes so long to get my translated import copy of Urine Cop VI.
The japanese make my kinda stuff, but oh, the waiting!
Isn't it obvious?
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WIAKywbfatw
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1. The Japanese have a national obsession with gadgets. They just can't get enough of them.
2. Japanese companies will give Japanese consumers what they want.
What's next on Slate? Articles telling us that Italians like pasta, Russians like vodka and Brazilians like football?
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Re:Isn't it obvious?
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Deadstick
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Eons ago I read an article in a photo magazine, relating the author's tour of the Nikon factory. He remarked to the company honcho that of all features on a camera, the self-timer (the gadget that lets you photograph yourself) is the least likely ever to be used, and yet every Japanese camera has one...why was that?
The company guy responded by driving him past the Yasukuni Shrine, a war memorial that corresponds roughly to the Tomb Of The Unknowns. In front of it stood an army of tourist families smiling cheerfully at an army of tripods manned by an army of phantom photographers. "In Japan," he said, "No self-timer, no sell camera."
rj
Re:Isn't it obvious?
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Squeeze+Truck
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1. The Japanese have a national obsession with gadgets. They just can't get enough of them.
The gadgets Japanese have an obsession with are the ones that facilitate social life and personal correspondence. Cel phones that can handle email are a godsend in this arena. This way it is possible to juggle work, family, and a potentially unlimited ammount of mistresses at once in secrecy.
Think I'm joking?
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Re:Isn't it obvious?
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Squeeze+Truck
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Japan stiffs manufactured imports and does NOT allow immigration.
They don't? How the hell did I get in?
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Re:Isn't it obvious?
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kurtz25
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Indeed. They really are gadget lovers, but I've never seen how that improved their computers, aside from making them more proprietary and complex. I use a Japanese laptop, but I bought the bottom-of-the-line so I could simplify my driver search. I have, not surprisingly, never found the drivers for the stupid wheel on my Sony, and I see now that Sony is incorportating their loathsome roller from their phones into their laptops.
Aside from size, foreign consumers don't need to fear losing out much in the way of Japanese computers, says I. Phones, yes, hell yes, but not computers. Their love of gadgets is a burden in this field.
Re:Isn't it obvious?
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kurtz25
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Uhh, I have about 10 kids in my school here who were born Brazillian and whose families have moved to Japan and become citizens. Additionally, I have 2 Korean-born kids. And finally, there was the dust up in Hokkaido between Debito (David) Arado, the Japanese citizen from Canada (I believe) vs. the local public bath owners. People move here all the time, and the citizenry requirements are not really that strict anymore. You're thinking of like 30 years ago.
Oh, and their computers... are... on topic.
Re:Isn't it obvious?
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BJH
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His original name was David Oldwinkle, I think. He was U.S.-born, not Canadian. The reason he was refused entry was because the public bath had had trouble with Russian sailors (whether that's an excuse or not is debatable, of course).
The way I heard it, they even refused his children -- who are Japanese born-and-bred -- into the baths. I think that's what caused it to be such a scandal to the Japanese.
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. The Japanese have a national obsession with gadgets. They just can't get enough of them.
Japanese culture is is heavily influenced by Shinto, and Shinto (as I understand it) is Animist. Basically, this means that things that European-derived (really Greek-derived) cultures consider to be inanimate, Shinto-derived cultures consider to have a "soul" or a "spirit" of their own. That is fundamentally why the Japanese love electronics and especially robots, it touches something deep in their cultural collective subconscious to have otherwise inanimate objects respond and interact. European-derived cultures are much more utilitarian, and regard these things as just tools, with no inherent properties other than fulfilling a task. That's why, as the article says, Americans are more interested in sacrificing features if it means getting a cheaper price.
I've always had a bit of that sort of sentimentality about inanimate objects and I've wondered if there was a name for it.
I've been trying to be better about not thinking of things that way, mostly because most people (in American anyway) don't seem to think that way, and tend to just abuse their belongings until it's time to chuck it in the trash and get a new one.
I hate to throw things away, so I've become quite a packrat sometimes. Lately I notice the best solution is to give things away, as it eases my anxiety about throwing away something which has "served me well", but is no longer useful enough to me for me to keep it around.
Thanks for sharing... I'll have to look more into this, though it's nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks this way:)
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I've always had a bit of that sort of sentimentality about inanimate objects and I've wondered if there was a name for it.
Animism is one way of looking at it, anthropomorphism is another. They are slightly different. Tech people (in Euro-derived cultures) are often anthropomorphic, programmers will say "if got confused when you did that", "it wasn't happy with the data format", "it wants to connect to this" and so forth. They treat technological artifacts as if they have an inherent will and desires and even a personality. Animism is a little more tacit; things have a soul but not necessarily a will (or at least, not one that is easily understandable by their nominal owner). For example, it would be unlikely that an anthropomorphist world-view would include rocks and trees, but an animist would. Animism manifests itself in the West usually as "primitive" or "pagan" religions with elemental gods. Anthropomorphism probably enters our collective cultural subconscious through children's toys, encouraging a child to develop a personal attachment to a stuffed animal, for example. I'm not sure where it's ultimate root is, probably not Judeo-Christian, and I'm not sure it's even rooted in Hellenistic culture.
Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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2nd+Post!
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Look at...
OS X iMac iMac2 iBook iPod PowerBook Handspring Newton Palm Pilot CrossPad ViaVoice Metal Gear Solid: Sons of Liberty Spider-Man Lord of the Rings The Matrix The Matrix:Revolution VooDoo VooDoo2 GeForce GeFor ce3 GeForce4 Quake3 Doom3
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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packeteer
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Metal Gear Solid: Sons of Liberty u SURE about that one?... Hideo Kojima made that one... IN JAPAN...
who needs an iPod for $400 when you can get a much better on at half the price in japan...
also they dont need palm pilots or handsprings or crosspads when they have CELL PHONES than can do the same thing...
unfortunatly for us in the USA the cell phone system of Aisa is WAY better than here... its a ground up implimentation and there is none of this patchwork BS that we have to put up with... its cheaper and i know from people who have told me out of personal experiance that they work EVERYWHERE... none of this roaming, analog zone, digital zone, BS...
face it in japan they get the same tech only sooner...
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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WIAKywbfatw
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Look at... The Matrix:Revolution
Gee, you think that a movie that you haven't seen and won't see for another film is the height of cool? Boy, have I got a bridge for you.
OK, I'll acknowledge that the sequels to The Matrix will most likely be stunning but, unless you can see the future or are wearing blinkers, you've got to at least acknowledge that the sequels might turn out to be a pile of pants.
And before you scream "Never!" consider this evidence: Robocop 2 and 3, The Godfather Part III, Star Wars Episode I, Highlander 2, Rocky 2+, Police Academy 2+...
Just because the first film was fantastic it doesn't automatically follow that the next ones will be too.
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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SpatchMonkey
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The mobile phone network in Europe is also a lot better. Roaming, btw, just means that when you go to a different country with your phone it allows you to use the foreign networks automatically (who then bill your home provider) - actually a good feature. It seems to me that cellphones in America are so patchy is that they have been so slow to move to GSM. But then, they have a much larger area to organise. Also, analogue is more popular and local calls are cheap/free. Hmm, this is a bit offtopic as the discussion is about Japan. Sorry.
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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WIAKywbfatw
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Gee, you think that a movie that you haven't seen and won't see for another film is the height of cool? Boy, have I got a bridge for you.
Apologies. That obviously should have read:
Gee, you think that a movie that you haven't seen and won't see for another year is the height of cool? Boy, have I got a bridge for you.
Yet another reminder that the Preview button is your friend.
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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hbmartin
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OS X iMac iMac2 iBook iPod PowerBook
Those things are the first on the list for a reason! You forgot the Apple logo itself, though. Switch
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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packeteer
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europe and aisa have better quality systems because companies are willing to risk large amount of capital to setup a good system... and its paying off... almost everyone can afford a cell phone so they now have several BILLION customers... any of you out there who work in a large company can answer this:
what would it be your your company to have several BILLION customers...
sorry but americans are too picky and competition to too hard for anyone to move in andd do a lot in america... and now cable companies dont even have to share their lines... American audio/video distribution is going down the shitter i fear but maybe we can take an example from where its working and fix this sometime soon...
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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jsse
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unfortunatly for us in the USA the cell phone system of Aisa is WAY better than here...
I'm not sure about US, but I'm using a cell phone talking to my friends while looking at his face. This little cute thing cost me about...US$576.
Is it too costly in term of US' standard? Are we buying stuffs by its features rather than its price? I don't know, but we all think US' electronics are more expensive with less features, but they are more reliable and with good brandname.:)
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Squeeze+Truck
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All that stuff debuted in Japan at the same time it did in the US, too. I don't get it.
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Squeeze+Truck
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YahooBB?
Lucky bastard. You must be in Tokyo or thereabouts.
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Space+Coyote
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who needs an iPod for $400 when you can get a much better on at half the price in japan...
Now now, you can't go making blanket statements like that without backing them up. I'm sure there are many many people who read that and said 'WHAT?? HOW DO IT GET ONE?? RIGHT NOW!!'. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure you're exaggerating, unless you want to take your nomad jogging with you, I think the iPod is still tops, given that Toshiba is the only company making teeny tiny hard drives, and their attempt at an mp3 player is kind of lame.
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Moridineas
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More like 20K feet, and as for cable modem, you don't HAVE to get cable tv along with that, and it's about $40 a month. In addition there are non-DSL/Cable options.
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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jsse
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hehe, good one.:)
I meant video conferencing with our cellphones.:)
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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bleckywelcky
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I guess it also helps that Japan only has about 377,000 square kilometers to cover, whereas the United States has about 9,600,000 square kilometers to cover, eh?
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Squeeze+Truck
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Yes, Usen sucks. YahooBB hasn't really gotten off the ground yet so far as I know. I know they're promising fiberoptic broadband, but all I've seen advertised is basic 8-meg ADSL.
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Squeeze+Truck
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HAM radio quality? Were you trying to use the phone from the US or something?
My DoCoMo 503i sounds like someone is whispering in my ear.
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Ryan+Amos
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Heh.. MGS2 came out here first because the first installment didn't do so hot in Japan, but was a phenomenal hit here. Kojima was aiming for the American market at the outset.
As for the iPod, if you want to buy a cheap knock-off of it, you don't really get the point of the iPod. There were MP3 players before the iPod, but the reason Apple is doing well with it is because it does all the little things right. The software is incredible (though the lack of a Windows port puzzles me) and the interface is in typical Apple style: Minimal yet very functional and very intuitive. Not to mention the build quality on all Apple products is some of the best in the business. There's a reason you see many more old Macs around than 386 boxes.
As for the cell phones.. Part of that is the FCC dragging its feet and the other part is space. The US is probably around ten times the size of Japan, land mass wise. American cities are notoriously spread out, so the necessary coverage is much larger. To upgrade an entire cell phone network would take years and billions of dollars, and by the time it was done, Japan would still have a better network, as they would have upgraded to the next new cell standard. We don't just lag behind Japan in this area either. The rest of the world (Europe, Asia, South America, etc) has better cell phone networks than we do. But because America's land mass is so large and Americans tend to travel a lot, we kind of have to deal with it.
Besides, while all these gadgets are cool and all.. I personally don't see anything past novelty/dicksizing value in half of them. Sure, my cell phone doesn't have a word processor or a web browser, but it makes phone calls, which is what I want it to do.
All these anime geeks who graduate high school and start planning to move to Japan so they get all the latest anime and gadgets sicken me. Yes, Japan gets cool cartoons and electronic toys, but I hardly consider that a reason to live in a closet of an apartment in a country that already has major population problems. I'm not saying America is a perfect place (we sure have our share of problems) but as countries go, it's not all that bad a place to live.
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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DunbarTheInept
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land?..................... nope
land...yes.
Europe is tiny except for *one* country - that
portion of Russia that lays west of the Urals, and incedentally does not share in that trend of excellent mobile phone systems that the rest of Europe has. The part that is covered well with mobile phone services is smaller than the US, and more densely populated, which is part of why it has better coverage. (It's damn hard to make money by selling services to rural areas that still need a lot of infrastructure to cover the area even though there's much less population.)
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Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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2nd+Post!
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No, I don't, but some people do, and that's all that matters, right?
Besides which, Quake1, 2, and 3 pushed the hardware that we take for granted today; GeForce2/3/4, Radeon 7000/7500/8500, Voodoo, Voodoo2, etc.
So because of one we get the other, and vice versa:)
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Beliskner
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Then why don't you get the fuck out, timecop? I looked at your what's wrong with Japan [idge.net] page (as well as the rest of the trash on your site [idge.net], and quite frankly, the rest of us gaijin engineers do NOT appreciate redneck racist morons like you sullying our reputations.
After reading the gravity of your accusations I went to his site to see. You are incorrect, he is not racist and many of his comments are spot on, they only seem racist because he uses the provocative WW2 term "Jap" instead of "Japanese guy". American kids do have lots of fun compared to other kids worldwide. As a matter of fact he has made some key undertstatements:
Japanese children go home at sunset - this is not true, the majority of children stay behind at after-school clubs e.g. hockey and Tai Chi, then do civic duties such as sweeping the floor of the school (Japanese schools don't have janitors). They go home at 8pm or later and have 5 hours of homework (I am not joking).
The truth hurts sometimes like Russians saying, "Look at those fat Americans complaining about being fat and then they go to McDonalds, how stupid is that???" It sounds insulting, but it's true.
-- A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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Beliskner
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AAAAARGHHHH!!! I've had enough of you Americans moaning about lack of service. Just use Iridium and shut up. Use anywhere worldwide, excellent reception, although I can't remember if they burnt up a couple of satellites when the parent company (or whatever) went bust.
-- A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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King_TJ
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Well, you also have to keep in mind, it's *far* easiesr providing seamless coverage to the relatively small geography of the Japanese islands than to the entire United States.
If Japan was the same size as the U.S., I suspect you'd see them dealing with issues like "roaming" too.
I agree, though, that they probably have an advantage by standardizing on one cellular technology. It always seemed odd to me that we have carriers (such as VoiceStream wireless) in the U.S. supporting GSM phone standards, while everyone else does CDMA.
Re:Japan doesn't have a monopoly on 'cool stuff'
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DunbarTheInept
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Uh, the EU (NOT including Russia) has a larger land-area, population and Economy than the US.
That's impossible unless there are countries in the EU for which the "E" part is not true. (Non European countries). The size of Europe, including all the ex-Soviet Union nations, is 9,938,037 km^2. The size of the US is 9,161,972 km^2. So unless you think that the Russian portion of Europe accounts for less than 7% of Europe (yeah, right), then what you say isn't even physically possible.
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Advertisement?
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co_fisha
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Doesn't this article look like a big advertisement for at Dynamism importing?
Obligatory Movie Quote
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hatter3bdev
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The Japanese are experts in small
Sony. Because caucasians are too damn tall.
err thought that was obvious
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Brigadier
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perhaps because they aahh make them. Same reason why mexico has the best mexican food, and aaah irland has the bast dark ale...
eraserhead mouse
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swankypimp
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if you hate the "eraserhead" mouse-substitute then you'll hate this one too.
Since when did David Lynch start making mice for laptops? I know I would pay extra for a dark and disturbing, surreal input device. I guess Japan really does get all the cool new stuff...
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Japanese companies keep their staff employed for more than six months at a time.
A minor point, but meetings don't make money, and middle managers don't build products.
Re:Left one out
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sql*kitten
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Japanese companies keep their staff employed for more than six months at a time.
That, unfortunately, is why Japan has been in recession for the last 20 years. The Japanese have very tight relationships between banks, NGOs, government departments and corporations. Americans and Brits are outraged when corporations get to close to governments (and vice versa) but in Japan, the boundaries between the public and private sectors are much less clear. Government will frequently underwrite corporate financing, grant monopoly licences, engage in mercantilist protectionist policies, and government planners will work along side corporate strategists, it would be unthinkable for a Japanese corporation to undertake a large project without a nod from the government.
The basic problem with Japanese industry is that they have a massive, systemic overcapacity. In Britain or the US, there would have been mass layoffs, corporations would go bankrupt, and stock markets would plunge in a similar situation. But in the West, a recession typically lasts 12-18 months and is followed by a period of economic expansion: our boom-bust cycle is like a regular spring cleaning of the economy, on approximately a 10-year cycle. During the expansion, the stock market goes up, and the unemployed from the last bust are re-employed. But in Japan, the government will not permit banks to call in loans or write off bad debt. Corporations cannot raise capital to finance expansion, and investors cannot get a return on their capital. So the Japanese economy is held in limbo, it cannot expand, it cannot collapse, and is stuck in a permanent slow decline.
What Japan really needs is to bite the bullet: let the technically insolvent banks and corporations collapse, suck up the pain of a Western-style recession, then Japan can get back on the track of economic expansion that was once the envy of the world.
Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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marhar
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If you take a trip to Japan and buy some electroncs, etc, be sure and carry your passport with you to the store and you will be exempted from paying the 5% sales tax.
They will fill out a little card, put a stamp on it, and staple it into your passport. When you exit the country, they will take the little card out of your passport.
Some of the the electronics stuff is labelled to run on 100V AC, but it works fine over here. And remember, don't buy a DVD player unless you really want the region 3 encoding!
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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Cryptnotic
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Japan is region 2, not region 3. This is because Japan is culturally a part of Europe (Region 2), and not part of Asia (Region 3).
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Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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Mooset
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Only certain stores will do this, because it requires special licensing. Be sure to go to the "Duty Free" stores. They are easy to find in any big shopping area and usually have English speakers to help out if you have questions about the gadgets. Laox in Akihabara is a good one.
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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jsse
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don't buy a DVD player unless you really want the region 3 encoding!
Take a short trip down to Hong Kong they're selling region Free DVD players. XD
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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inburito
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Now if only Akihabara was affordable. I was there last March and I'd swear that things there that were also available in USA were cheaper on internet from american companies/importers.. Then again they had shitloads of stuff that you can only dream about in USA.. and there's few states in usa that don't charge sales tax too.
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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BJH
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No, the DVD Consortium organized it that way so that Japanese consumers would not be able to play cheap imports from Taiwan and Hong Kong on their Region 2 players.
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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PhoenxHwk
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Delaware! w00t w00t!!!
Hehehe.
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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ywwg
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100V AC
this is DANGEROUS. A lot of electronics are not rated to run at 120V, and don't have compensation circuitry. In other words, they will simply run hot until they die. this is true esp of small stuff like MD players and recorders. buy a converter, they are cheap.
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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sakusha
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Only certain stores will do this, because it requires special licensing. Be sure to go to the "Duty Free" stores.
Incorrect. Duty-free stores are unnecessary. Almost all the big electronics store have the proper forms, and it's not a licensing issue. I've bought goods from Yodobashi and Sakura using the no-tax forms, and neither of them is a duty-free shop.
LAOX is a crappy place to shop, particularly the Akihabara stores. Prices are not good. Prices in Nishishinjuku are much better. And even then, prices in Japan may not be cheaper than the US. I remember when the Canon Ixy came out, it cost the Yen-equivalent of US$450, and it was out of stock everywhere. I got back to the US and the same model was selling for $299.
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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And remember, don't buy a DVD player unless you really want the region 3 encoding!
Japan is region 2.
Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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thryllkill
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Most DVD players are actually region free when you buy them. Usually the fifth DVD played in them sets the region encoding. Unfortunatly playing a regionless DVD the fifth time does not set your DVD player to region free...
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Re:Don't pay sales tax when shopping in Akihabara
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inburito
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"Or imagine being magically whisked away to... Delaware. 'Hi, I'm in Delaware.'"
Newark rulez.. Not! Glad I'm not there anymore.. Just about only positive things were the lack of sales tax and decent weather.. YMMV.
I'm still waiting for the concept of office LAN's, firewalls, and relational databases to really catch on here.
Uh...he was joking folks. I work in lots of different offices here in Tokyo (I work for a consulting company), and I have yet to see an office without a LAN--or a firewall. Personal routers/firewalls are extremely popular; every shop sells several dozen different kinds, usually around the $200 price point. (They come with a wide variety of interfaces: Ethernet, DSL, cable, IDSN, modems, wireless.) So home networks appear to be quite popular, too.
As far as relational databases go, well, one of the biggest PosgreSQL consulting shops in the world (SRA) is Japanese, and they even happen to employ probably the most famous PostgreSQL developer. Not that I don't see plenty of Oracle around here, too.
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Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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glrotate
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The Japanese economy is quite sad. A (w)hole nation of Enrons. They only hope that the can let the hot air out slowly, and that it doesn't burst.
The trend of the 80's for American companies to bring in Japanese consultants has been reversed. Japanese corporations are now bringing in American consultants to show them how to emulate American prosperity.
Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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The+Cat
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emulate American prosperity
Yeah. Umpty thousand layoffs and MSCS Engineers bagging groceries.
Lots of prosperity there.
Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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Squeeze+Truck
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Wow, seven companies consulted with one US company.
Trust me, Japanese companies aren't lining up to hear the US's advice.
Especially not since last week.
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Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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Squeeze+Truck
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For every Japanese company you can find who have an interest in copying American business practices, I bet I can find ten who think American practices are antisocial and, in the end, suicidal.
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Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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The+Cat
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Hey, personally, I couldn't care less. If the plant-waterers want to let their companies fall behind technologically, it just means less competition. But there are still a lot of unemployed and hurting people out there. (and 6% is a fiction) They've had their careers destroyed, and not because of some "bubble."
Businesses just find it more convenient to fire people to "artificially" prop up the stock price than to actually do real work, and that's wrong. And it isn't just "tech." A wide cross-section of middle-class income-level jobs are being made unavailable by all of this.
Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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If they aren't earning their keep than they should be let go. Laying off workers allows them to bee freed up for more productive work.
Nahh, it's: "if our stock price isn't high enough, they should be let go. Taking a person's career and home allows them to be freed up for more productive work, like trying to keep their family from starving."
Laying a person off should be the last resort just prior to Chapter 7. It should *not* be an everyday business "action item" like cleaning the #%*&@$)(*@$ whiteboards.
Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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Squeeze+Truck
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So what if they are? I'm sure the seven companies you name still have a 1980's, if not 1960's, view of IBM.
Oh, and as to my natural density: I'm Japanese and work in a Japanese comapny, and work almost exclusively with other Japanese companies. So I'm speaking from experience, and from the experience and opinions of my friends and coworkers. What about you?
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Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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Squeeze+Truck
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If you let the workers go, then they have no income to put back into the economy. Japanese economists are a bit more farsighted than that. Yes, every convenience store the size of a refrigerator crate has 3-4 people to staff it, but at least everyone is employed.
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Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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Squeeze+Truck
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All the college graduates have jobs. The same kind of jobs most Americans have. The kind with little responsibility and no security that last from 6mo to 2 years.
In Japan, however, this is not considered "employment". Real employment means lifetime employment. Employment with guaranteed semiannual bonuses, 10 days paid vacation from your first day on the job, and a guaranteed pension after you retire.
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Re:Hence they've been in a recession for 20 years.
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The+Cat
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Despite Japan's prolonged recession it remains the world's second largest economy. Its also the first in the world in the field of robotics. I don't see how their businesses are falling behind technologically.
Japan is an example of an economy that ISN'T falling behind technologically, because they KEEP their MOST QUALIFIED people EMPLOYED. That was my POINT in the ORIGINAL MESSAGE.
6% isn't fiction, (it recently creeped up to 5.9% actually). What we had was a bubble.
So all of the people out of work now *should* be out of work, right? There have been a half million layoffs (and those are only the reported ones) in the last 18 months, with about 40,000 of those happening in the last two.
We should always have hundreds of thousands of college-educated, highly-qualified people spending their productive time reading dice.com, I suppose.
The fact that it was able to burst and have such tepid effects on the greater economy as a whole is what's amazing and a true testement to the resilliency of the American economy.
LOL!! Oh, this is incredible. The economy has lost trillions of dollars in capital. Hundreds of thousands of people have been out of work for well over a year. They've lost their HOMES and FAMILIES and CAREERS so some MIDDLE MANAGER can look good at meetings.
Tens of thousands are being laid off every month. People AREN'T BEING HIRED BACK. This "recovery" is nothing of the sort.
I PERSONALLY know a half-dozen people who are unemployable. They have sent out literally THOUSANDS of resumes over the past 18 months, and they can't RENT a job. The ones who are employed are either miserable, or know factually they will be out of work within six months.
But that's ok, right? "It's only 6%" say the apologists. Well, as far as I'm concerned it's not right, bubble or not.
America the Chauvenistic
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Ummm... I doubt we have ANY conglomerates that would spend money to produce "cool" gizmos without making good returns. That IS the point of business, afterall. You are seriously naive to expect a company to make something because it's the latest technology when there's no or little market.
You are seriously naive to expect a company to make something because it's the latest technology when there's no or little market.
By that rationale there should be no Atari, Nintendo, Apple Computer, Microsoft, HP, Dell......all companies that initially got into niche markets w/o widespread appeal at the time.
Albeit those markets were much larger than a mom and pop grocery stores target consumer, but today if your marketing department says you probably won't sell 10 billion units in a week (gross exageration to make a point) expensive propositions will be left on the drawing room floor.
Open Source/Free Software is a risky business venture because it's...well free... but we still have Mandrake, Red Hat, etc...
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Re:Racist and demeaning
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Cryptnotic
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I agree that those statements are offensive. It is a good thing that they were not included in the article referenced, or I really would have been angry.
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Re:Apple
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I can't comment on current trends, but up into the mid 90s at least, Macs were quite popular in Japan (that's to say they had a larger percentage of the market than in the US). They had kanji support years ago.
I'd guess they've lost market share as Windows has improved and offered improved i18n support, as well as cooler hardware from Sony and Toshiba.
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A friend of mine once told me about..
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Codifex+Maximus
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his being stationed in Japan.
He had some interesting stories:
You would get your check in USD and stand in front of the bank line waiting for a favorable exchange rate between USD and YEN. Then when the numbers were right, the tellers would be mobbed.
There was this huge gomi pile of abandoned electronics that were almost brand new but no longer wanted; because there was a new model that just came out that had more gee wiz features.
If money falls on the street in Japan, it will usually lie there till it rots or is cleaned up and thrown away; he said it was beneath Japanese to pick up money or objects that have fallen on the ground.
People walk into a sushi/food bar and pick from freshly prepared items on a conveyor that moves past the patron. You pay on the way out.
People regularly sleep in what seems like morgue cabinets. Complete with miniature amenities.
What an interesting place!
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Re: A friend of mine once told me about..
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BJH
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Oh, please...
You would get your check in USD and stand in front of the bank line waiting for a favorable exchange rate between USD and YEN. Then when the numbers were right, the tellers would be mobbed.
When was your friend in Japan? Banks generally give an average rate for the day, unless you happen to be a corporate investor.
There was this huge gomi pile of abandoned electronics that were almost brand new but no longer wanted; because there was a new model that just came out that had more gee wiz features.
No, it's because in Japan the manufacturers have made it so expensive to have an item out of warranty repaired that you might as well buy a new one.
If money falls on the street in Japan, it will usually lie there till it rots or is cleaned up and thrown away; he said it was beneath Japanese to pick up money or objects that have fallen on the ground.
Yeah, right. And in the US, if a penny hits the ground, everyone within a hundred-metre radius comes running. Next unsubstantiated 'fact', please...
People walk into a sushi/food bar and pick from freshly prepared items on a conveyor that moves past the patron. You pay on the way out.
How is this any different to a McDonalds, except that in McDonalds the conveyer belt is hidden and you pay in advance? I go to kaiten-zushi regularly, and it's just basically the Japanese version of fast food.
People regularly sleep in what seems like morgue cabinets. Complete with miniature amenities.
They're called capsule hotels, and in twelve years in Japan I have yet to meet anyone who's actually stayed in one. They're generally for older male businessmen that didn't make the last train home (as the trains usually finish between midnight and 1am in Tokyo).
Re: A friend of mine once told me about..
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BJH wrote: >When was your friend in Japan? Banks generally give >an average rate for the day, unless you happen to >be a corporate investor.
Did you say generally?
>No, it's because in Japan the manufacturers have >made it so expensive to have an item out of >warranty repaired that you might as well buy a new >one.
Either way, there is a gomi pile ain't there? I'm sure if the items had some percieved value someone would want it right? At any rate, even partly working items wouldn't last 10 minutes in a public place in the US.
>Yeah, right. And in the US, if a penny hits the >ground, everyone within a hundred-metre radius >comes running. Next unsubstantiated 'fact', >please..
I don't know about you but... I don't see many pennies laying on the ground in the US.
>How is this any different to a McDonalds, except >that in McDonalds the conveyer belt is hidden and >you pay in advance? I go to kaiten-zushi >regularly, and it's just basically the Japanese >version of fast food.
So, essentially, what is wrong with what I said?
>They're called capsule hotels, and in twelve >years in Japan I have yet to meet anyone who's >actually stayed in one. They're generally for >older male businessmen that didn't make the last >train home (as the trains usually finish between >midnight and 1am in Tokyo).
I guess the people who are in business to provide these accomodations have made a poor investment in both space and capitol.
Oh well, my point was that Japan is facinating and different. At least we both like sushi.
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However, there, as with everywhere else, you must contend with the Micros~1 OS monopoly. None of my Japanese games are Mac compatible, I don't know how big that market is, to say nothing of Office software.
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The reasons for Japan's preeminence in consumer electronics is simple, and completely absent from this article. The major reason is plain: kaizen.
Japan has a different system of product development. It dates back to ancient methods of production of artworks like lacquerware. Specialists in certain production methodologies allow the tasks to be separated. Many specialists were hereditary lineages, some families had practiced and continuously improved their techniques over hundreds of years.
And THAT is kaizen. Each product builds on the strengths of the previous generation, and eliminates weaknesses (or at least tries another approach). The Western approach is to build a product (or the packaging, at least) from scratch each time. Kaizen products are frequently updated, with minor incremental improvements. In many ways, it is a predecessor to Open Source methods like "release early and often" or "many eyes make bugs transparent."
The other factor is the short lifetime of fads in Japan. Fads like the Tamagotchi build to hysterical intensity in mere weeks. I still have an ad from the Asahi Shimbun with an apology from the President of Bandai. He apologizes at the inadequate supply of Tamagotchi, and promises Bandai is building new plants and within 2 months they will be able to produce 2million units a month. Unfortunately the fad was over long before the plants got up to speed, and Bandai ended up with millions of units they couldn't even give away. Bandai lost billions of yen and the President had to resign. So you've got to be nimble to keep up with quick-moving fads.
So anyway, how come complete idiots with NO knowledge of Japan get paid to write crap like that article? Jeez, the stuff I just wrote is far more informative than Slate's rubbish. I wonder if the author has evern BEEN to Japan.
Hah! If you stopped patting yourself on the back long enough you might realize that your argument only works if Japan and the US are seperate entities that make their own items and don't export to each other. It's a global market and how things are manufactured in Japan as compared to the US has nothign at all to do with what is available on our market since anything they make they can sell here if there is a market for it. The reason Japan has those things and we don't is exactly like the man said, they don't export it to the US because we wouldn't buy it.:P
..your argument only works if Japan and the US are seperate entities that make their own items and don't export to each other.
There are hundreds of kaizen-ed products released in Japan (products intended for world consumer markets) for each ONE product released to world markets. Those incremental revisions are tested for consumer acceptance in the fast-paced Japanese market, products live and die in a matter of weeks or months, and go through another revision. Those that are accepted are released to the world. So it's just exactly like you said, there are separate markets. If you don't believe me, get someone to ship you a digikame magazine, keep it a year, and see how many models of cameras sold in Japan ever make it to the US. The reason they don't export it is because it flopped in Japan.
Re:Balderdash
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Okay-- you keep using the word 'kaizen', but you don't even bother to translate it into English-- me thinks you may not even know the translation "improvement".
Kaizen does not just mean "improvement," although most dictionaries only have that simple definition. Kaizen is a process of continuous incremental refinement. It incorporates many similar philosophies, such as Drucker's Quality Circles. Kaizen is widely enough known as a philosophy, many books have been written on this subject, so it is common to use just the term kaizen instead of getting into all this stuff.
Kaizen has nothing to do with fundamental innovation, as has been commented by you and others. Kaizen is merely a system of putting those innovations into the market. The best example I can think of is GPSS. The US put up the satellites, but consumer GPSS devices appeared in Japan long before the USA.
Well, all the cool stuff in Akihabara isn't in the flashy storefronts right on the street. Those are mostly just nationwide chains.
The cool stuff is in the dark wet alleys between the department stores, where you can buy "parts" -- surplus chips and cables and circuit boards and random pieces of bizarre hardware that the big computer companys dump there.
Oh, and it's the only place in Japan you can buy uncensored porn, forgot to mention that.
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First like they say in Crazy People they are closer to the chips.
Actually it's a big question. We are afraid to test the waters and move forward. While we pioneered these technologies Japan will put a semiconductor in anything - at least once.
America is quite like the fall of the Victorian Empire. She has become a nation afraid of progress and if something doesn't change she won't stay towards the top of the heap.
Off-topic, somewhat:
Space could provide a new rain of resources, or it could bankrupt us. But its habitation does offer two other advantages. The first: internation cooperation. No single nation can afford the price of extraterrestial development. To turn the wastelands of asteroids and planets into lands of plenty would involve consortia including Russia, Europe, and Japan. Those partnerships are already under development, though too often we are not involved in them.......... -Howard Bloom, The Lucifer Principle (Chapter:Tennis Time And The Mental Clock)
There is more, that is actually on topic, but I can't find the page now. I don't want to misquote either. Basically we pioneered that technology, invented the PC but the majority of parts aren't even made here - and I don't mean assembly - I mean the companies who own the RAM factories etc.
I'm sorry but you can't escape the Us vs. Them problem.
Every culture and society has this complex, sometimes against each other in their own group. Smaller nations do have smaller ego's but they can also be dangerous to the nations on top who turn their heads and don't pay attention to the little man who is willing to fight.
China-Mongolia/Communism, Ancient Rome-Huns, Ancient Greece-Romans, Persia-Greeks, Egypt-Hyksos, the list goes on. These nations were powerful beyond their own desires yet they were crushed by a strong few.
Simply. Nations are doing what they are supposed to do. The fundamentalists who flew into the WTC did what they were supposed to do. They are the modern day "barbarians" which are driven by a willingness to fight and that human idea "us vs. them".
There isn't a culture in this world that isn't established on this belief.
Sorry, I didn't design it that way. In order for your culture to thrive you have a enemy, and maybe some friends; but it will always be you vs. them.
100 times on the blackboard, young man!
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incentive to cooperate as well
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The Japanease government provides a considerable assitance and incentive for their companies to cooperate as well. Such a proposition is unheard of in the US, where much effort is spent ensuring systems DON'T inter-operate, all in the name of profit. SMS is a prime example, in Europe or Japan, you can cross systems seamlessly, such a simplistic seeming idea would take an act of god here.
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Re:We have funded Japan's Defense force since WWII
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BJH
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Ahem... the Japanese taxpayer pays more to support the US bases in Japan than the US taxpayer ever did. It's part of the agreement.
Test Markets
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The Japanese electronics companies, (and many american ones), use the US military AAFES and NAVEX stores overseas to test market a LOT of stuff.
Certain lines, or models, or even entire formats get a testdrive at the larger military stores. They have a captive, technoid, consumer group. if it flies there, you may see it in BestBuy.
Anyone remember the ElCassette? Mid '70's cross between a cassette deck, and a reel to reel. Fidelity of a reel, with the pop-in convienience of a cassette. I had a Technics model. Of course, they didn't sell that well, so it never showed up in the States.
Re:Another important reason....
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> Americans typicaly spend much more money on things like mortgages, > cars, and insurance than the Japanese do.
Nice theory, but not likely. Have you seen typical Japanese rents? For that matter, even the average European apartment rent is higher than the average American mortgage. Cars maybe, but not apartments. Even so, cars might not sell well in large Japanses cities, but overall Japan is still one of the largest automobile consumers in the world, so someone must be buying them.
Not inciting hate
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First they came for the gadget lovers, but I garden so I didn't care Then they came for the Japanese, but I didn't watch anime, so I didn't care...
Statements like "The Japanese are a close-minded, insular people without any of the warm, loving characteristics of Europeans." is not only false, it is dangerously close to Nazism.
$2000 killer app
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What makes the Libretto so great is that it takes up very little space. At 10.5 inches wide by 6.6 inches deep, it actually sits between the keyboard and monitor of my desktop, allowing me to check mail on one machine while running Photoshop full-screen on the other.
Wow, that "feature" alone makes me wish I had $2k to dump into a product like that. At work I have a 15" monitor and PC next to my 15" Dell (L)Attitude screen, just so I can have my email up all the time. Email is becoming enough of a killer app for some people where it is worth paying for a device like this which really is a PC, not some crippled appliance to fufill solely that function.
This may be an emerging market segment. I believe the whole Japanesse only thing has to do with the culture of the companies. Car companies are the same way, just look at the Nissan Skyline, Subaru WRX (now here), Mitsubishi Lancer (an not the crap they are selling in the US now), etc. Electronics companies are no differrent.
Re:$2000 killer app
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It's the culture of the US, not Japan. Here in New Zealand (1/100th the size of the US market...), we've had the Legacy RS Turbo, the Impreza WRX and STi, the Skyline GT-R, full-spec Type-R 200ZX/SX, Evos, and all the rest since day one; the only top end Japanese sports car I'm aware of not having was the "Batmobile" RX-7, which flooded in as a second hand import until Mazda realised they screwed up by not bringing it in themselves.
The US suffers from a huge NIH chip on its collective shoulder; look at what happens whenever a/. article appears suggesting the US trails some other part of the world in technology - cell phones, for example, bring out a horde of dickheads who argue (against all facts) that the reason the US has terrible cellular infrastructure is because the rest of the world has a third world phone system, and anyway, who cares about cell phones.
The US leads in a number of areas, but like all big, important nations, its citizens tend to stick their heads up their arses in the areas it trails - not unline that class of Pom who keeps reminiscing about 1966 and the Battle of Britain whenever a German wanders into earshot.
Re:$2000 killer app
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My Subaru WRX certainly is a killer app. Dear god, the number of times I've nearly killed myself in that thing is absolutely insane. I sure do love that car.
Re:$2000 killer app
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wheany
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Why do little kids here go nuts over Pokemon?
Ignoring marketing and the fact that Pokemon might really be fun (don't know, haven't played):
Because they have not been brainwashed yet to think nationalism is the greatest thing ever.
And that's something to be proud of?
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Great, so the Japanese have an even GREATER affinity for buying shit that probably doesn't work as well as its advertised to work, that they don't need in the first place, and that they probably can't even afford, than we do.
Is that something to celebrate about?
The most important decision for one should be cost-effectiveness, overall. That doesn't necessarily mean just the purchase price, but everything considered.
I'm sitting in front of a 19" monitor. It is big; it takes up a lot of room in all dimensions. It costed me about 300 dollars. Now, I could have spent and extra 300 dollars or so and gotten a flat-screen monitor.
That would definately be smaller and cooler.
But would it be worth it to me?
Well, NO.
I have plenty of space, so size is not an issue. I also value resolution and monitor integrity, so the flat-screen would blow. Flat screens have poor resolution (ever tried reading fine text on a flat-screen?), and their colors change depending on the angle you view them from. Also, I find the edges of flat-screen monitors to be very annoying.
Actually, it is not unusual to see a honeydew melon priced at $500 in gift shops in Ginza - The other day, I saw one of those cube-shaped watermelons in Shibuya for about a hundred bucks. $15 apples are not uncommon, too. Of course, nobody buys them to take home and eat - they are gifts for very special occasions. One reason for the idea of fruit as a valued gift is that they have a very limited lifespan - they are consumables. If you give somebody a vase or a picture frame, then visit them 6 months later, you will expect to see it somewhere around their house. Not so with an apple or a melon. People don't have the space for useless crap here the way they do in America. (Though people often reserve some space in their house for useless old crap from grandparents...) If you think about it, it's not so different than other countries - I've seen $1500 bottles of wine, which are basically just bottles of old grape juice.
Oh the irony, it burns
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It was frustrating and almost insulting--why don't we deserve the best too?
To here an American say that. May I welcome you to a place known as the rest of the world.
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Re:Oh the irony, it burns
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"To here an American say that. "
Here, hear matey.
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Re:Oh the irony, it burns
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much like japan, the US is a testing ground. there's a lot of crap and there's a lot of good stuff on the market here. nobody buys the crap, but we pay for the r cost of the crap through higher prices on the good stuff. then the US corporations turn around and sell the good stuff to the rest of the world for cheaper.
prime example: the drug industry. did you know that americans are the ONLY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD that are supporting the high cost of pharmaceuticals? we pay $4/pill for nexium to support r and astrazeneca (who make the drug) turns around and sells it for $1 to europe because the european (and most other) governments refuse to allow US corporations to include r costs when exporting their product (they allow a moderate margin after costs only).
why do you think that the biggest pharmaceutical corporation in britain has it's r department in the US? in fact it's more than 50% located in the states.
so while we may be whiny brats, we deserve some innovations from other countries too.
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America caters to the mainstream
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I think the reason Japan has so much cooler stuff is that they are willing to take risks. In the USA, if a particular device or software/game is not going to "make millions" by attracting mainstream buyers, then there is little chance it would ever make it to the market. Publishers and manufacturers here want to take only the safest bets. Ever wonder why the USA is full of so many crappy movies, games, and me-too products? Why take a risk when you can copy something proven?
In Japan, they release just about anything that their minds and conjure up. Surely they have the same economic business sense as those in the USA, but perhaps their consumer market is much more willing to risk buying innovative stuff (this is basically what the article seems to conclude). Also, maybe because of Japan's small size, companies don't have to spend very much money on initial production runs?
Re:America caters to the mainstream
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Squeeze+Truck
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Um, define "ok".
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It's funny you should mention that...
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Not, of course, your maths: 2002 - 1991 (ignoring a few non-recession years in the middle) = 11 years...
But: I remember in 1990 discussing with an American friend of mine (I'm British) that an Economist article said that Japanese productivity growth was significantly lower than in the US.
He laughed, and told me (basically) that the US was doomed and that we would all be speaking Japanese in 10 years.
Re:It's funny you should mention that...
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Oh how times change...
Indeed they do. With all it's problems, I think the basics of the Japanese economy are still sound. Japan still has a better work ethic, better education and higher levels of personal scruples than the US. Plus it still has strong steel, electronics, and manufacturing capacity. And don't forget that it lends far more money than it borrows.
So what if Japan can't survive forever as an exporter of electronic bric-brac to the US? I still think in the long term that it's in better shape than the US. Maybe a powerful China can be our new main trading partner.
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The real answer
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I would think that the obvious answer to why Japan gets things first is that they are closest to the International Date Line. It always gives Japan a huge jump on the rest of the world.;-)
I can't help but think that a lot of what keeps stuff out of the US sooner are the regulations that go into a lot of electronic products.
I can think of quite a few things. I think of Celphones (any Nokia phone takes forever to get approval here), pieces of Video Equipment with low pass filters that the FCC puts on to protect other things from being interfered.
It's the way that things work in america. With the FCC, with the FDA, anything like that. America isn't bleeding edge like Japan, but we do it for a reason. It prevents us from putting out headache medicines that cause birth defects in children, and Cell-phones that disrupt pacemakers.
That's life.
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Who got paid?
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orthogonal
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That's what I want to know: did Dynamism.com pay Slate for this infomercial, or did they just pay the "journalist" directly?
So the Japanese are a trendy people in a crowded country? That's news? Here's some more news: Americans are big cowboy-looking folks, constantly pioneering the next frontier. Brits keep a stiff upper lip, and they have to, too, because their food is so horrid! Germans are big on punctuality and order....
Here's some more news: you read Slate, so clearly you're not up to buying a laptop in Japan or on eBay, and figuring out where to get the right drivers! Oh no! You read Slate, you use Microsoft OSes, and you need your hand held when it comes to those daunting techie questions!
That's why it's so much MORE cost effective for you to PAY 30% ABOVE RETAIL for Dynamism.com to take care of it for you. After all, those trendy Japanese will pay almost anything to get it one inch smaller! Aren't YOU that trendy? You're not a LOSER are you? Prove it by giving Dynamism.com $500 bucks for installing an OS and shipping Airmail from Japan. Did we mention that all the cool kids get their toys at Dynamism.com?
By the way, it's Dynamism.com. Did we mention Dynamism.com?
Admittedly, the author concludes he won't pay the mark-up, so I'm probably going overboard. But I don't buy the pop-sociology, and it still reads like an infomercial.
I haven't owned a corvette but I've driven a few. All but one handled extremely well! (The one that handled just "well" was a '59 vette, which handles like a bel-air). It's no Saab, but I would call it "poor" handling ever.
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Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
Unfortunately there is no biological concept to race (as there is as much genetic variance within a race as there is between races), so you can just as easily say that there is an "American" race as you could say there is a "White" race or a "Black" race.
For years the Japanese have been keeping some of the best Video games to themselvs; mostly the puzzle games, war sims and RPGs, and indeed, even great consoles in their many variations like the PCEngine.
Importers made (make) a fortune out of these "Japan Only" games, and when you get them, learning how they work is a puzzle on top of the game itself.
Very rarely, there is a software switch to turn English on in a game; Klax for example on Hu Card had this feature, but that was written in the USA.
You can forget titles like "Strip Mah Jong" having english switches.
Military spending
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Sorry to be naive, but isn`t the reason that the Japanese electronics industry (and infrastructure) is so advanced is becuase of the terms of the VJ-day treaty, which prohibits Japan from ANY military R spending. SO that all the guys who would have made weapons of mass destruction work for Sony, et al? The same level of R that has been put into Military uses in the US and UK has been piled into gadgetry in Japan. Similarly, their infrastructure is so advanced becuase the government has speant nothing on defence in over 50 years.
Just my $0.02
alnya
Re:Military spending
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Hah! You wait until Sony and Honda's giant robot armies come sweeping in from the sea, bristling with missiles and flashing laser beams from their eyes...
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Getting this stuff elsewhere?
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Mr_Silver
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Apart from dynamism, is there anywhere else that will do this sort of importing? Especially to the UK?
I'm looking for an MP3 player which is small, light, can be taken running and has several gigs capacity.
Maybe no such thing exists, but if it does, then importing from Japan would seem to be the most obvious choice.
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Re:Getting this stuff elsewhere?
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Mr_Silver
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I have. However I have a couple of problems/issues with the iPod.
It's ridiciously expensive. Granted, when it came out, it was the same price as the hard drive that is in it. But HD prices have dropped, and it hasn't at all. Not even at a slower rate.
It uses Firewire, which itself isn't a problem, except when I want to use it on my work PC (for downloading, as I don't have a fast net connection at home) and IT will have hysterics if I mention that i'll want to open the box up to install a card.
I have no idea how practical it is for running. In fact, I don't know how big it's going to be. I like my electronics small, if the gadget is too big and/or bulky then it'll be a big pain to carry around and it'll end up gathering dust in the corner. Thats why I love the size of MD players, but even with the Net-MD, it's just far too damn restrictive.
The firewire card one is a big problem for me. I can't download stuff from mp3.com when I'm at home, my 56k modem just can't cope so it would have to be from work, but if they won't let me put a firewire card in (and they won't, I don't work in IT) then i'm SOL.
Looks like my best bet is the Toshiba Gigabeat - although again, it could end up having issues 1 and 3.
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Roaming may have been one of the keys to cell phone adoption in Europe -- the whole country is your zone. No point in buying a cell phone unless you can use it while travelling. Otherwise, you'll be near your regular phone, plus maybe a wireless handset.
In the U.S. Chicago, IL and Madison, WI are probably in different roaming areas. Shoot, maybe even San Diego, CA and San Francisco, CA are in different zones. Odds are it's cheaper there with a pager and a payphone. Also, the screwed up choice of frequencies in the U.S. means that European and Japanese manufacturers have to make a special model just for the U.S.
Perhaps Japanese cell phones work in all of Japan and perhaps even at the same price. Japanese companies are pretty good about responding to what sells, so this would make sense.
-- Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
You meant to say "the whole continent", right? Even without roaming, the whole country (of say, UK or Germany) is your zone.
I guess so. I've always taken it for granted that my phone worked in any European (and Eastern block) country, and that anywhere within my own country not just my home town was a local call, but never learned the English terms for it.
The point I am getting at is the contrast between level of service as well as price. In Europe, the phones are actually useful and, in some countries, worth the money. In contrast, in the U.S. I was really surprised to see ads in the U.S. bragging that brand X mobile phone with brand Y telco would work even *in the next city*, but with long distance rates. Aside from being an expensive status object, what's the point of having such a phone if it will cost you an arm and a leg every time you leave your front yard?
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If you visit the area, small chance that you will come away with only "some" electronics. They have some unbelievable stuff there, and the things that are sold in the West will be unbelievably cheap sometimes. Oh, if you forget your passport, ask for the taxfree deal anyway. Some shops are not too particular about giving you the discount slip anyway. Also, the sales staff in many shops in Akihabara will on demand whip out their PDA's with wireless internet conn, and find out which DVD model can be made region free and how.
That is what I miss most from Japan. Hassle-free wireless Internet, anytime, anywhere, at ISDN speeds and at very decent rates. The best we can do with GSM, after all this time, is GPRS, which is (in the Netherlands anyway) 56K max (if you're on top of the antenna and no one else is around), and is charged at a whopping 2-5 euro/$1-$2.5 per MB.
Another note on difference in how toys and electronics fit in their culture: it is not just the younger male population that craves toys. A stroll around Akihabara may reveal: - A 65 year old guy playing a playstation 2 on a display stand, fanatically fighting a younger boy in some fighting game. - 2 Girls in a high-school uniform, in the process of buying a CD rom burner, with the intent of building it into their machine themselves. - A boy taking his girl out to an arcade, or even groups of girls visiting an arcade to play the games. - An older executive type frantically whacking away at some game in the same arcade, briefcase on the floot next to him. - When an office computer, copier or whatever fails and the user happens to be lady, they don't run to the nearest male crying for help like they do in the west (well, mostly), they start whacking it or taking it apart like most men would.
To say that the Japanese are more toy-minded does not even begin to describe the cultural difference.
-- If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Re:"Some" electronics.
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Bah! Not enough coffee! I converted guilders to dollars instead of Euro's. The price in Euros is the correct one
-- If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
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The vast majority of Japanese will never have a oportunity to have a expensive mortgage to pay off, & don't have rooms for boats, caravans or even cars. So they really have buggerall alternatives than to spend their money on gadgets.
In other places people either can't afford to spend their money on gadgets, or if they do have the required incomes, they have the mortgage alternative.
Re:for those of you that rea the comments...
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before you read the article......dont even bother to read it......its just more mindless guesses like "the japanese seem to be good with technology" nonesense
The article isn't about the entire Japanese economy, it's only about some American who visited Japan for a couple of days (not the 5 year minimum required to understand a culture but many Americans are guilty of this) trying to explain in a politically correct way how different products are available in differet countries within the template of the Hollywood stereotype of "Japanese culture". Here's my alternative explanation:
Japan - high-powered economy where you're married to your job. Everybody is rich by American standards, and so money is no object when buying a laptop or anything. A tie costs minimum $300.
America - a nation of trailer-trash, the society is so uncohesive and individualistic that only megacorporations with standardised employment and IP contracts can cooperate effectively. Small and medium size businesses just rip each other off, no sense of trust nor honour, resulting in a "grab what you can from those assholes" culture. It's so bad that if some guy in the street walk up to you and offers you a laptop for $200 cash you'll immediately assume it's stolen or there's something wrong with it. Despite this Americans expect good service. The only way to get money is to dazzle people with something they don't understand to get their money (e.g. dot-coms and Enron) to play on the American fear of looking incompetent at your job (you are what you do). I've never heard an American say, "I'm incompetent at my job, I'm useless, sorry." I think just saying so will cause confusion in Americans
-- A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
Kaizen is not totally Japanese, sorry
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Uh, a lot of the principles of modern kaizen were developed by an American guy named W. Edwards Deming based on the work of a former Bell Labs (another one) employee named Walter Shewhart (who invented something called Statistical Process Control). Granted, Deming did most of his work on the project in Japan, where he went at the request of the US military during the occupation in the '50s, ostensibly to teach the Japanese "American business methods."
However, what the military didn't know or didn't realize was that Deming had some ideas of his own that he'd been trying to get US industry to adopt for years. Most US industry at the time wasn't interested in the concept of systemic quality, however. (Most of them were satisfied with Quality Inspections and an "acceptable defect rate.") The Japanese adopted the idea wholeheartedly, after hearing Deming lecture. The Japanese Union of Scientists and Engineers, the Japan Management Association, and the Japan Standards Association supported the lectures, along with the US military. Eventually, Japanese scholars like Kaoru Ishikawa added some new ideas (like Quality Circles) to the mix.
In North America, the resulting system is usually called Total Quality Management. It started in Japan, but it started because of W. Edwards Deming, who was really instrumental in turning Japanese productive systems into the powerhouses they are today. (Ask your parents and grandparents about the time when "Made In Japan" meant "This Is Junk.")
On the other hand, to be fair to the Japanese, they adopted the system almost overnight, and used it to become a world manufacturing superpower, more or less, in under 10 years. US industry is still trying to get used to kaizen/TQM, even though the basic system's been around for almost 50 years...
I write this to remind you if your responsibility towards the the reader community. Please NEVER NEVER NEVER again post a link [to the slate article] that links further away to sites like dynamism.com. This is torture. I don't know how many divorces, maxed out credit cards and spontaneous Japan trips this will result in, but one thing is for sure... Checking out the slimtops and gadgets on that page got me shivering like a crack addict that has a rock the size of the Washington monument in clear view.
Thank you.
(gotta clear the line for airline reps to call me back...)
Couldn't find exact data on it, but from the Peters projection (a map projection that conserves relative area) Europe looks to me to be slightly smaller geographically than the US, but not by much. (Note: Russia isn't really part of Europe)
However, I'm pretty sure the total population of Europe is greater than the US, but again, I don't remember the figures.
It used to be that Apple was king of the hill in Japan. The compact "classic" format was perfect for a society where space was at a premium and small was beautiful. And MacOS was the first with Kanji support...it took Microsoft until Windows 2000 to get that right.
Now they aren't. I suspect Sony did them in. Sony's VAIO computers are PCs made for Japanese tastes. The fact they do well here in the States is just gravy for them.
-- Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
People walk into a sushi/food bar and pick from freshly prepared items on a conveyor that moves past the patron. You pay on the way out.
There are places like this in the US too. "Frying Fish" in Little Tokyo has a conveyor belt thing going on too. There's a place in Palo Alto like this too. The old New Meiji chain here in Los Angeles had a few places with conveyor belts...the one in Marina del Rey was super-cool.
Basically in all places you stack up your plates after you eat each order of sushi. There are people who go from table to table and tally up what they see from time to time. Once you are done, you ask for your bill. Usually it's a lot more than you had budgeted for...mmmmm...sushi... ^_^;
A net-friend of mine always visits his family for Oshogatsu (New Year's Holiday) For the past couple of years Iron Chef has had a special every New Year's, and he tapes it and brings the tape home to the US and trades it. (However, after the travesty that was "Iron Chef Japan Cup 2002 I don't think there will be any more of them) He doesn't cut the commercials...which actually is quite cool. Japanese commercials are a total hoot.
It was very funny to see a commercial for "Kappa Sushi" which apparently is the big "McSushi" kind of place in Japan...the kids are basically begging Mommy to go take them for sushi. You would NOT see that here. "Eww, sushi...Mom, let's go to Chuck E. Cheese!"
-- Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
Re:A bit of realism would be nice right about now.
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Unemployment rose from 5.8 percent in May
Unemployment only measures those receiving UI. The real unemployment rate is probably double what's reported.
So you know a half-dozen people who are unemployable. Big deal.
It's a big deal for them.
We had a huge run up in the supply of workers and a huge drop in demand for them
A huge drop in demand? I thought unemployment was only 6%?
The Bloomberg article quotes support my point:
Unemployment rose from 5.8 percent in May
The U.S. economy grew at a 6.1 percent annual rate
That's companies laying off workers to boost the stock price.
The fact is, people are out of work, and when they do find work, it's temporary at best, and underpaid. Companies are still laying people off TODAY by the tens of thousands while the economists claim 6.1% growth, and people who are qualified to do just about any job can't get work running 10-keys and filing. The rest are stocking shelves at Wal-Mart to pay off their student loans. They're told they are "overqualified" at interviews while they borrow money to feed their kids.
An economy that fails to keep it's best minds employed is a failed economy.
Yeah, I'm fully aware of "roaming" being a purely administrative issue. (If one company owned all the towers, it wouldn't make much sense that they'd care which tower your call happened to be carried on.)
My point, though, is that with a large enough country, you'll most likely have several competing providers - and thereby such hassles as roaming charges. Cell towers aren't exactly cheap to install and maintain. When you cover a large number of square miles, it starts to cost much more to send your installation and repair techs out to all of those remote locations.
Japan may have much more population density, but at least they don't have some company trying to maintain a group of cell towers over 1,500 miles away.
As far as Canada and Australia having better cellular coverage than the U.S. - it's entirely possible. I've never made a cellular call in either of those countries. The U.S. is behind the times in several ways when it comes to telecommunications. It's sort of the curse attached to our being first with the original phone technologies. I remember Canadian friends telling me about cheap T1 circuits into their homes and inexpensive ISDN lines before that. In the U.S. - ISDN has generally been a rip-off. $149 a month or so for 128K of bandwidth was the norm here in the Midwest. Our telcos didn't want to offer it until the federal trade commission ruled that they had to offer it everywhere by a certain date. It required a number of phone switch upgrades, so they wanted all the ISDN users to pay for those upgrade costs. In other parts of the world, the newer phone switches were all they had installed to begin with - so adding these services was pretty inexpensive and easy.
I agree the Fujitsu is a worthy competitor and bests the Libretto in most categories. However, the Libretto does beat the P-Series in some aspects -
Video: The P-Series uses the rather archaic ATI Rage chipset, which is rather embarressing in this day and age. The Libretto has the much more impressive ATI Mobile Radeon
Keyboard: The Libretto's 18mm pitch is slightly larger than 17mm on the P-Series. Okay, this is only a tiny difference, but for the amount of typing I do, I would prefer as large as possible.
Size: I'm kind of ambivalent about the DVD/CD-RW on the P-Series. On one hand, it's certainly cool to have it double as a really slick portable DVD player, and burning ability is nice. On the other hand, I rarely use the CD-R on my PC. Sure, once in a while I burn something, but most of the time, I just use it to install a program and that's about it. I'm sure I could get by without a drive on my portable and it would make it that much more svelte and smaller.
Overall, though, I would agree the P-Series is a more attractive package. It's got a larger resolution, firewire, SPDIF, S-video out... not to mention it's availabe and supported in the states (for a very attractive price). No need to import direct or pay Dynamism's markup.
I'm just angry that it takes so long to get my translated import copy of Urine Cop VI. The japanese make my kinda stuff, but oh, the waiting!
1. The Japanese have a national obsession with gadgets. They just can't get enough of them.
2. Japanese companies will give Japanese consumers what they want.
What's next on Slate? Articles telling us that Italians like pasta, Russians like vodka and Brazilians like football?
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Look at...
g r ce3
OS X
iMac
iMac2
iBook
iPod
PowerBook
Handsprin
Newton
Palm Pilot
CrossPad
ViaVoice
Metal Gear Solid: Sons of Liberty
Spider-Man
Lord of the Rings
The Matrix
The Matrix:Revolution
VooDoo
VooDoo2
GeForce
GeFo
GeForce4
Quake3
Doom3
I'm sure there are more.
GPL Deconstructed
Doesn't this article look like a big advertisement for at Dynamism importing?
The Japanese are experts in small
Sony. Because caucasians are too damn tall.
perhaps because they aahh make them. Same reason why mexico has the best mexican food, and aaah irland has the bast dark ale
Since when did David Lynch start making mice for laptops? I know I would pay extra for a dark and disturbing, surreal input device. I guess Japan really does get all the cool new stuff...
--All your stolen base are belong to Rickey Henderson
Japanese companies keep their staff employed for more than six months at a time.
A minor point, but meetings don't make money, and middle managers don't build products.
If you take a trip to Japan and buy some electroncs, etc, be sure and carry your passport with you to the store and you will be exempted from paying the 5% sales tax.
They will fill out a little card, put a stamp on it, and staple it into your passport. When you exit the country, they will take the little card out of your passport.
Some of the the electronics stuff is labelled to run on 100V AC, but it works fine over here. And remember, don't buy a DVD player unless you really want the region 3 encoding!
The only stuff that comes first to Japan is the stuff that is made in Japan. Everything else gets here way late, or never gets here at all.
I'm still waiting for the concept of office LAN's, firewalls, and relational databases to really catch on here.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
The Japanese economy is quite sad. A (w)hole nation of Enrons. They only hope that the can let the hot air out slowly, and that it doesn't burst.
The trend of the 80's for American companies to bring in Japanese consultants has been reversed. Japanese corporations are now bringing in American consultants to show them how to emulate American prosperity.
I'd like to see the Japanese make a better on one of those.
The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
In the end it all boils down to money.
We have too many conglomerates that won't spend to produce "cool" gizmos unless they can make huge returns.
They aren't interested in providing a service because it would be useful, rather only to make money.
No sig for you!!
I agree that those statements are offensive. It is a good thing that they were not included in the article referenced, or I really would have been angry.
My other first post is car post.
I'd guess they've lost market share as Windows has improved and offered improved i18n support, as well as cooler hardware from Sony and Toshiba.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
his being stationed in Japan.
He had some interesting stories:
You would get your check in USD and stand in front of the bank line waiting for a favorable exchange rate between USD and YEN. Then when the numbers were right, the tellers would be mobbed.
There was this huge gomi pile of abandoned electronics that were almost brand new but no longer wanted; because there was a new model that just came out that had more gee wiz features.
If money falls on the street in Japan, it will usually lie there till it rots or is cleaned up and thrown away; he said it was beneath Japanese to pick up money or objects that have fallen on the ground.
People walk into a sushi/food bar and pick from freshly prepared items on a conveyor that moves past the patron. You pay on the way out.
People regularly sleep in what seems like morgue cabinets. Complete with miniature amenities.
What an interesting place!
Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
iMac Girl
However, there, as with everywhere else, you must contend with the Micros~1 OS monopoly. None of my Japanese games are Mac compatible, I don't know how big that market is, to say nothing of Office software.
All the creatures will die, And all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai. (Jubai, 1605)
The reasons for Japan's preeminence in consumer electronics is simple, and completely absent from this article. The major reason is plain: kaizen.
Japan has a different system of product development. It dates back to ancient methods of production of artworks like lacquerware. Specialists in certain production methodologies allow the tasks to be separated. Many specialists were hereditary lineages, some families had practiced and continuously improved their techniques over hundreds of years.
And THAT is kaizen. Each product builds on the strengths of the previous generation, and eliminates weaknesses (or at least tries another approach). The Western approach is to build a product (or the packaging, at least) from scratch each time. Kaizen products are frequently updated, with minor incremental improvements. In many ways, it is a predecessor to Open Source methods like "release early and often" or "many eyes make bugs transparent."
The other factor is the short lifetime of fads in Japan. Fads like the Tamagotchi build to hysterical intensity in mere weeks. I still have an ad from the Asahi Shimbun with an apology from the President of Bandai. He apologizes at the inadequate supply of Tamagotchi, and promises Bandai is building new plants and within 2 months they will be able to produce 2million units a month. Unfortunately the fad was over long before the plants got up to speed, and Bandai ended up with millions of units they couldn't even give away. Bandai lost billions of yen and the President had to resign. So you've got to be nimble to keep up with quick-moving fads.
So anyway, how come complete idiots with NO knowledge of Japan get paid to write crap like that article? Jeez, the stuff I just wrote is far more informative than Slate's rubbish. I wonder if the author has evern BEEN to Japan.
Well, all the cool stuff in Akihabara isn't in the flashy storefronts right on the street. Those are mostly just nationwide chains.
The cool stuff is in the dark wet alleys between the department stores, where you can buy "parts" -- surplus chips and cables and circuit boards and random pieces of bizarre hardware that the big computer companys dump there.
Oh, and it's the only place in Japan you can buy uncensored porn, forgot to mention that.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
and based on the prices I saw on some of the units for sale, I strongly doubt they come with legally licensed software.
hehe. only on msn will you find journalism like that.
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Actually it's a big question. We are afraid to test the waters and move forward. While we pioneered these technologies Japan will put a semiconductor in anything - at least once.
America is quite like the fall of the Victorian Empire. She has become a nation afraid of progress and if something doesn't change she won't stay towards the top of the heap.
Off-topic, somewhat:
There is more, that is actually on topic, but I can't find the page now. I don't want to misquote either. Basically we pioneered that technology, invented the PC but the majority of parts aren't even made here - and I don't mean assembly - I mean the companies who own the RAM factories etc.
This is just a preview of things to come.
Get your Unix fortune now!
"I will not expose the flaws in the slashdot moderation system."
And clean the brushes when you're done!
The Japanease government provides a considerable assitance and incentive for their companies to cooperate as well. Such a proposition is unheard of in the US, where much effort is spent ensuring systems DON'T inter-operate, all in the name of profit. SMS is a prime example, in Europe or Japan, you can cross systems seamlessly, such a simplistic seeming idea would take an act of god here.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Ahem... the Japanese taxpayer pays more to support the US bases in Japan than the US taxpayer ever did. It's part of the agreement.
The Japanese electronics companies, (and many american ones), use the US military AAFES and NAVEX stores overseas to test market a LOT of stuff.
Certain lines, or models, or even entire formats get a testdrive at the larger military stores. They have a captive, technoid, consumer group. if it flies there, you may see it in BestBuy.
Anyone remember the ElCassette? Mid '70's cross between a cassette deck, and a reel to reel. Fidelity of a reel, with the pop-in convienience of a cassette. I had a Technics model. Of course, they didn't sell that well, so it never showed up in the States.
> Americans typicaly spend much more money on things like mortgages,
> cars, and insurance than the Japanese do.
Nice theory, but not likely. Have you seen typical Japanese rents? For that matter, even the average European apartment rent is higher than the average American mortgage. Cars maybe, but not apartments. Even so, cars might not sell well in large Japanses cities, but overall Japan is still one of the largest automobile consumers in the world, so someone must be buying them.
Then they came for the Japanese, but I didn't watch anime, so I didn't care...
Statements like "The Japanese are a close-minded, insular people without any of the warm, loving characteristics of Europeans." is not only false, it is dangerously close to Nazism.
What makes the Libretto so great is that it takes up very little space. At 10.5 inches wide by 6.6 inches deep, it actually sits between the keyboard and monitor of my desktop, allowing me to check mail on one machine while running Photoshop full-screen on the other.
Wow, that "feature" alone makes me wish I had $2k to dump into a product like that. At work I have a 15" monitor and PC next to my 15" Dell (L)Attitude screen, just so I can have my email up all the time. Email is becoming enough of a killer app for some people where it is worth paying for a device like this which really is a PC, not some crippled appliance to fufill solely that function.
This may be an emerging market segment. I believe the whole Japanesse only thing has to do with the culture of the companies. Car companies are the same way, just look at the Nissan Skyline, Subaru WRX (now here), Mitsubishi Lancer (an not the crap they are selling in the US now), etc. Electronics companies are no differrent.
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
Great, so the Japanese have an even GREATER affinity for buying shit that probably doesn't work as well as its advertised to work, that they don't need in the first place, and that they probably can't even afford, than we do.
Is that something to celebrate about?
The most important decision for one should be cost-effectiveness, overall. That doesn't necessarily mean just the purchase price, but everything considered.
I'm sitting in front of a 19" monitor. It is big; it takes up a lot of room in all dimensions. It costed me about 300 dollars. Now, I could have spent and extra 300 dollars or so and gotten a flat-screen monitor.
That would definately be smaller and cooler.
But would it be worth it to me?
Well, NO.
I have plenty of space, so size is not an issue. I also value resolution and monitor integrity, so the flat-screen would blow. Flat screens have poor resolution (ever tried reading fine text on a flat-screen?), and their colors change depending on the angle you view them from. Also, I find the edges of flat-screen monitors to be very annoying.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
Actually, it is not unusual to see a honeydew melon priced at $500 in gift shops in Ginza -
The other day, I saw one of those cube-shaped watermelons in Shibuya for about a hundred bucks.
$15 apples are not uncommon, too.
Of course, nobody buys them to take home and eat - they are gifts for very special occasions.
One reason for the idea of fruit as a valued gift is that they have a very limited lifespan - they are consumables. If you give somebody a vase or a picture frame, then visit them 6 months later, you will expect to see it somewhere around their house. Not so with an apple or a melon. People don't have the space for useless crap here the way they do in America. (Though people often reserve some space in their house for useless old crap from grandparents...)
If you think about it, it's not so different than other countries - I've seen $1500 bottles of wine, which are basically just bottles of old grape juice.
Cheers,
Jim in Tokyo
-- My Weblog.
To here an American say that. May I welcome you to a place known as the rest of the world.
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I think the reason Japan has so much cooler stuff is that they are willing to take risks. In the USA, if a particular device or software/game is not going to "make millions" by attracting mainstream buyers, then there is little chance it would ever make it to the market. Publishers and manufacturers here want to take only the safest bets. Ever wonder why the USA is full of so many crappy movies, games, and me-too products? Why take a risk when you can copy something proven?
In Japan, they release just about anything that their minds and conjure up. Surely they have the same economic business sense as those in the USA, but perhaps their consumer market is much more willing to risk buying innovative stuff (this is basically what the article seems to conclude). Also, maybe because of Japan's small size, companies don't have to spend very much money on initial production runs?
Not, of course, your maths: 2002 - 1991 (ignoring a few non-recession years in the middle) = 11 years...
But: I remember in 1990 discussing with an American friend of mine (I'm British) that an Economist article said that Japanese productivity growth was significantly lower than in the US.
He laughed, and told me (basically) that the US was doomed and that we would all be speaking Japanese in 10 years.
Oh how times change...
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I would think that the obvious answer to why Japan gets things first is that they are closest to the International Date Line. It always gives Japan a huge jump on the rest of the world. ;-)
Gah! I forgot about that - very true.
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I can't help but think that a lot of what keeps stuff out of the US sooner are the regulations that go into a lot of electronic products.
I can think of quite a few things. I think of Celphones (any Nokia phone takes forever to get approval here), pieces of Video Equipment with low pass filters that the FCC puts on to protect other things from being interfered.
It's the way that things work in america. With the FCC, with the FDA, anything like that. America isn't bleeding edge like Japan, but we do it for a reason. It prevents us from putting out headache medicines that cause birth defects in children, and Cell-phones that disrupt pacemakers.
That's life.
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That's what I want to know: did Dynamism.com pay Slate for this infomercial, or did they just pay the "journalist" directly?
So the Japanese are a trendy people in a crowded country? That's news? Here's some more news: Americans are big cowboy-looking folks, constantly pioneering the next frontier. Brits keep a stiff upper lip, and they have to, too, because their food is so horrid! Germans are big on punctuality and order....
Here's some more news: you read Slate, so clearly you're not up to buying a laptop in Japan or on eBay, and figuring out where to get the right drivers! Oh no! You read Slate, you use Microsoft OSes, and you need your hand held when it comes to those daunting techie questions!
That's why it's so much MORE cost effective for you to PAY 30% ABOVE RETAIL for Dynamism.com to take care of it for you. After all, those trendy Japanese will pay almost anything to get it one inch smaller! Aren't YOU that trendy? You're not a LOSER are you? Prove it by giving Dynamism.com $500 bucks for installing an OS and shipping Airmail from Japan. Did we mention that all the cool kids get their toys at Dynamism.com?
By the way, it's Dynamism.com. Did we mention Dynamism.com?
Admittedly, the author concludes he won't pay the mark-up, so I'm probably going overboard. But I don't buy the pop-sociology, and it still reads like an infomercial.
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I haven't owned a corvette but I've driven a few.
All but one handled extremely well! (The one that
handled just "well" was a '59 vette, which handles like a bel-air).
It's no Saab, but I would call it "poor" handling ever.
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With the voltage conversions transformers so cheap you just have to watch out for the possible 50Hz gear.
Bleh!
I've heard this kind of talk since the early 80's. We keep waiting for it to happen and it doesn't.
But it's really been happening since the 70's. Read the book.
Why is the phrase "Japanese Innovation" nearly an oxymoron?
Innovation is one thing, making money and controlling the markets is important also.
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"keitai" just means portable. You can have a keitai nanny goat if you put a handle on her.
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For years the Japanese have been keeping some of the best Video games to themselvs; mostly the puzzle games, war sims and RPGs, and indeed, even great consoles in their many variations like the PCEngine.
Importers made (make) a fortune out of these "Japan Only" games, and when you get them, learning how they work is a puzzle on top of the game itself.
Very rarely, there is a software switch to turn English on in a game; Klax for example on Hu Card had this feature, but that was written in the USA.
You can forget titles like "Strip Mah Jong" having english switches.
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Sorry to be naive, but isn`t the reason that the Japanese electronics industry (and infrastructure) is so advanced is becuase of the terms of the VJ-day treaty, which prohibits Japan from ANY military R spending. SO that all the guys who would have made weapons of mass destruction work for Sony, et al? The same level of R that has been put into Military uses in the US and UK has been piled into gadgetry in Japan. Similarly, their infrastructure is so advanced becuase the government has speant nothing on defence in over 50 years.
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I'm looking for an MP3 player which is small, light, can be taken running and has several gigs capacity.
Maybe no such thing exists, but if it does, then importing from Japan would seem to be the most obvious choice.
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Perhaps Japanese cell phones work in all of Japan and perhaps even at the same price. Japanese companies are pretty good about responding to what sells, so this would make sense.
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If you visit the area, small chance that you will come away with only "some" electronics. They have some unbelievable stuff there, and the things that are sold in the West will be unbelievably cheap sometimes. Oh, if you forget your passport, ask for the taxfree deal anyway. Some shops are not too particular about giving you the discount slip anyway. Also, the sales staff in many shops in Akihabara will on demand whip out their PDA's with wireless internet conn, and find out which DVD model can be made region free and how.
That is what I miss most from Japan. Hassle-free wireless Internet, anytime, anywhere, at ISDN speeds and at very decent rates. The best we can do with GSM, after all this time, is GPRS, which is (in the Netherlands anyway) 56K max (if you're on top of the antenna and no one else is around), and is charged at a whopping 2-5 euro/$1-$2.5 per MB.
Another note on difference in how toys and electronics fit in their culture: it is not just the younger male population that craves toys. A stroll around Akihabara may reveal:
- A 65 year old guy playing a playstation 2 on a display stand, fanatically fighting a younger boy in some fighting game.
- 2 Girls in a high-school uniform, in the process of buying a CD rom burner, with the intent of building it into their machine themselves.
- A boy taking his girl out to an arcade, or even groups of girls visiting an arcade to play the games.
- An older executive type frantically whacking away at some game in the same arcade, briefcase on the floot next to him.
- When an office computer, copier or whatever fails and the user happens to be lady, they don't run to the nearest male crying for help like they do in the west (well, mostly), they start whacking it or taking it apart like most men would.
To say that the Japanese are more toy-minded does not even begin to describe the cultural difference.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
The vast majority of Japanese will never have a oportunity to have a expensive mortgage to pay off, & don't have rooms for boats, caravans or even cars. So they really have buggerall alternatives than to spend their money on gadgets.
In other places people either can't afford to spend their money on gadgets, or if they do have the required incomes, they have the mortgage alternative.
Japan - high-powered economy where you're married to your job. Everybody is rich by American standards, and so money is no object when buying a laptop or anything. A tie costs minimum $300.
America - a nation of trailer-trash, the society is so uncohesive and individualistic that only megacorporations with standardised employment and IP contracts can cooperate effectively. Small and medium size businesses just rip each other off, no sense of trust nor honour, resulting in a "grab what you can from those assholes" culture. It's so bad that if some guy in the street walk up to you and offers you a laptop for $200 cash you'll immediately assume it's stolen or there's something wrong with it. Despite this Americans expect good service. The only way to get money is to dazzle people with something they don't understand to get their money (e.g. dot-coms and Enron) to play on the American fear of looking incompetent at your job (you are what you do). I've never heard an American say, "I'm incompetent at my job, I'm useless, sorry." I think just saying so will cause confusion in Americans
A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
Uh, a lot of the principles of modern kaizen were developed by an American guy named W. Edwards Deming based on the work of a former Bell Labs (another one) employee named Walter Shewhart (who invented something called Statistical Process Control). Granted, Deming did most of his work on the project in Japan, where he went at the request of the US military during the occupation in the '50s, ostensibly to teach the Japanese "American business methods."
However, what the military didn't know or didn't realize was that Deming had some ideas of his own that he'd been trying to get US industry to adopt for years. Most US industry at the time wasn't interested in the concept of systemic quality, however. (Most of them were satisfied with Quality Inspections and an "acceptable defect rate.") The Japanese adopted the idea wholeheartedly, after hearing Deming lecture. The Japanese Union of Scientists and Engineers, the Japan Management Association, and the Japan Standards Association supported the lectures, along with the US military. Eventually, Japanese scholars like Kaoru Ishikawa added some new ideas (like Quality Circles) to the mix.
In North America, the resulting system is usually called Total Quality Management. It started in Japan, but it started because of W. Edwards Deming, who was really instrumental in turning Japanese productive systems into the powerhouses they are today. (Ask your parents and grandparents about the time when "Made In Japan" meant "This Is Junk.")
On the other hand, to be fair to the Japanese, they adopted the system almost overnight, and used it to become a world manufacturing superpower, more or less, in under 10 years. US industry is still trying to get used to kaizen/TQM, even though the basic system's been around for almost 50 years...
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I write this to remind you if your responsibility towards the the reader community. Please NEVER NEVER NEVER again post a link [to the slate article] that links further away to sites like dynamism.com. This is torture. I don't know how many divorces, maxed out credit cards and spontaneous Japan trips this will result in, but one thing is for sure... Checking out the slimtops and gadgets on that page got me shivering like a crack addict that has a rock the size of the Washington monument in clear view.
Thank you.
(gotta clear the line for airline reps to call me back...)
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Couldn't find exact data on it, but from the Peters projection (a map projection that conserves relative area) Europe looks to me to be slightly smaller geographically than the US, but not by much. (Note: Russia isn't really part of Europe)
However, I'm pretty sure the total population of Europe is greater than the US, but again, I don't remember the figures.
It used to be that Apple was king of the hill in Japan. The compact "classic" format was perfect for a society where space was at a premium and small was beautiful. And MacOS was the first with Kanji support...it took Microsoft until Windows 2000 to get that right.
Now they aren't. I suspect Sony did them in. Sony's VAIO computers are PCs made for Japanese tastes. The fact they do well here in the States is just gravy for them.
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There are places like this in the US too. "Frying Fish" in Little Tokyo has a conveyor belt thing going on too. There's a place in Palo Alto like this too. The old New Meiji chain here in Los Angeles had a few places with conveyor belts...the one in Marina del Rey was super-cool.
Basically in all places you stack up your plates after you eat each order of sushi. There are people who go from table to table and tally up what they see from time to time. Once you are done, you ask for your bill. Usually it's a lot more than you had budgeted for...mmmmm...sushi... ^_^;
A net-friend of mine always visits his family for Oshogatsu (New Year's Holiday) For the past couple of years Iron Chef has had a special every New Year's, and he tapes it and brings the tape home to the US and trades it. (However, after the travesty that was "Iron Chef Japan Cup 2002 I don't think there will be any more of them) He doesn't cut the commercials...which actually is quite cool. Japanese commercials are a total hoot.
It was very funny to see a commercial for "Kappa Sushi" which apparently is the big "McSushi" kind of place in Japan...the kids are basically begging Mommy to go take them for sushi. You would NOT see that here. "Eww, sushi...Mom, let's go to Chuck E. Cheese!"
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Unemployment rose from 5.8 percent in May
Unemployment only measures those receiving UI. The real unemployment rate is probably double what's reported.
So you know a half-dozen people who are unemployable. Big deal.
It's a big deal for them.
We had a huge run up in the supply of workers and a huge drop in demand for them
A huge drop in demand? I thought unemployment was only 6%?
The Bloomberg article quotes support my point:
Unemployment rose from 5.8 percent in May
The U.S. economy grew at a 6.1 percent annual rate
That's companies laying off workers to boost the stock price.
The fact is, people are out of work, and when they do find work, it's temporary at best, and underpaid. Companies are still laying people off TODAY by the tens of thousands while the economists claim 6.1% growth, and people who are qualified to do just about any job can't get work running 10-keys and filing. The rest are stocking shelves at Wal-Mart to pay off their student loans. They're told they are "overqualified" at interviews while they borrow money to feed their kids.
An economy that fails to keep it's best minds employed is a failed economy.
Yeah, I'm fully aware of "roaming" being a purely administrative issue. (If one company owned all the towers, it wouldn't make much sense that they'd care which tower your call happened to be carried on.)
My point, though, is that with a large enough country, you'll most likely have several competing providers - and thereby such hassles as roaming charges. Cell towers aren't exactly cheap to install and maintain. When you cover a large number of square miles, it starts to cost much more to send your installation and repair techs out to all of those remote locations.
Japan may have much more population density, but at least they don't have some company trying to maintain a group of cell towers over 1,500 miles away.
As far as Canada and Australia having better cellular coverage than the U.S. - it's entirely possible. I've never made a cellular call in either of those countries. The U.S. is behind the times in several ways when it comes to telecommunications. It's sort of the curse attached to our being first with the original phone technologies. I remember Canadian friends telling me about cheap T1 circuits into their homes and inexpensive ISDN lines before that. In the U.S. - ISDN has generally been a rip-off. $149 a month or so for 128K of bandwidth was the norm here in the Midwest. Our telcos didn't want to offer it until the federal trade commission ruled that they had to offer it everywhere by a certain date. It required a number of phone switch upgrades, so they wanted all the ISDN users to pay for those upgrade costs. In other parts of the world, the newer phone switches were all they had installed to begin with - so adding these services was pretty inexpensive and easy.
I agree the Fujitsu is a worthy competitor and bests the Libretto in most categories. However, the Libretto does beat the P-Series in some aspects -
Video: The P-Series uses the rather archaic ATI Rage chipset, which is rather embarressing in this day and age. The Libretto has the much more impressive ATI Mobile Radeon
Keyboard: The Libretto's 18mm pitch is slightly larger than 17mm on the P-Series. Okay, this is only a tiny difference, but for the amount of typing I do, I would prefer as large as possible.
Size: I'm kind of ambivalent about the DVD/CD-RW on the P-Series. On one hand, it's certainly cool to have it double as a really slick portable DVD player, and burning ability is nice. On the other hand, I rarely use the CD-R on my PC. Sure, once in a while I burn something, but most of the time, I just use it to install a program and that's about it. I'm sure I could get by without a drive on my portable and it would make it that much more svelte and smaller.
Overall, though, I would agree the P-Series is a more attractive package. It's got a larger resolution, firewire, SPDIF, S-video out... not to mention it's availabe and supported in the states (for a very attractive price). No need to import direct or pay Dynamism's markup.