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Slashback this holiday evening with just a few quick updates and follow-ups (below) -- I hope those to whom the Fourth of July is a significant holiday are out (responsibly) making things explode.

Nearly anything is better than ribbon cables. aibrahim writes "In the recent /. article about Serial ATA some people wanted to know where SCSI was going, and if Serial ATA could deal with some higher end workstation and low end server requirements. Apparently it has been decided that Serial ATA 2 (pdf doc) and Serial Attached SCSI are the answers."

Because being an American is all about first-person shooters. and i starve writes: "For any of you FPS fans out there who have been champing at the bit to see the newest product of our very own government's attempt at a multiplayer video game since Marine Doom your day has final come. America's Army, which utilizes the Unreal Warfare engine was created and designed by the United States Army and is TOTALLY FREE! go grab it off of File Planet right now!"

Before you hit your "JINGO" button, though, An anonymous reader cautions "In typical Army fashion the release of America's Army is a bust. All the servers are either full or down and the way it's set up, you can't play past the basic training without completing some of the training online. Since you can't connect to any of the servers to complete that training you basically can't play the game at all. What a waste of taxpayer money."

Nobody needs to make any cracks about this. Anonymous Coward writes "According to this CNN Article, [some cracks were] found on Space Shuttle Columbia this week, possibly delaying missions for the remainder of the year. This crack is similar to the crack found on Columbia's sister ships, Atlantis and Discovery. "

Worst pun in relation to this gets no prize.

223 comments

  1. Re:Wooo by flewp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Shouldn't it be first crack in this case?

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  2. Check out the rules of engagement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The load will lighten up eventually. Check out the rules of engagement on their site. Will it stop cheating? Not a chance. But maybe they could knock one or two doors down, just for show.

    1. Re:Check out the rules of engagement by Patrick13 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Any and all threats against the server, including attempts to hack, crash, or flood a server, actual or implied, are instant grounds for removal and can result in legal action. Come on, this is the U.S. Army you're messing with! Be smart.

      this made me laugh out loud.

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    2. Re:Check out the rules of engagement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...attempts to hijack and crash civilian U.S. aircrafts into our servers, however, are likely to be sucessful.

    3. Re:Check out the rules of engagement by Astral+Jung · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Somehow, mentioning this episode of Penny Arcade seems appropriate.

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    4. Re:Check out the rules of engagement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the forum subtitles: Strategies and Tactics: The Best Ways To Not Get Shot. And then there's always R: Shootin' the breeze, wax poetic, blow off some team!

    5. Re:Check out the rules of engagement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was supposed to be R and R:
      Shootin' the breeze, wax poetic, blow off some team!

    6. Re:Check out the rules of engagement by Animats · · Score: 4, Funny
      You think they're kidding?
      • Q: Why do I keep getting sent to a prison cell?

        A: You have committed a serious ROE (Rules of Engagement) violation. You have been sent to the United States Military Prison at Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. This violation will go on your permanent record. Repeated ROE violations of this degree will result in a player account being temporarily or permanently banned from official servers.

      • Q: What does ROE mean?

        A: ROE stands for Rules of Engagement, which all soldiers must learn and obey while in hostile situations. For America's Army, ROE means not firing upon your fellow U.S. Soldiers, and not attempting to destroy or kill an objective which you are assigned to protect. Every incident of friendly fire will be recorded in your ROE score, including non-fatal shots and grenade damage. If you accumulate an ROE score of over 400 during a single match, you will be kicked off of the server and sent to Leavenworth Prison. Repeated ROE violations will result in your player account being temporarily or permanently banned.

      For those of you who don't realize it, America's Army is operated by U.S. Army Recruiting. If you play it well, you'll probably be hearing from them.

    7. Re:Check out the rules of engagement by jeti · · Score: 3, Funny

      Doesn't an attack at a US commercial or governmental
      server make you a terrorist anyway?

      Maybe trying to cheat can give you total immersion to
      this military camp thing.

  3. Heh. by Skreech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Crack found in third space shuttle

    You'd think they were getting high enough already...

    1. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmm, spread and enjoy

    2. Re:Heh. by gusnz · · Score: 4, Funny

      And since when did they start sending moderators into space anyway? :)

    3. Re:Heh. by Megane · · Score: 3, Funny
      Well, it is the space shuttle Columbia.

      FWIW, when I first saw the CNN article, that was the first thing that popped into my head. I guess that's the best way to smuggle it onto the space station.

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    4. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I nominate Taco to be the first editor in space.

    5. Re:Heh. by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 2

      And since when did they start sending moderators into space anyway? :)

      Strangely enough, this proposal was very popular with the SlashDot crowd, and seeing as how it's a (congressional) election year and all...

  4. Government-sponsored video game violence by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 0, Troll

    Jingoism, indeed.

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    1. Re:Government-sponsored video game violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Change your signature from George Bush to George Bush Sr cause it was senior who said it not junior it is shocking that he stupidly said this idiotic statement I am glad you have it in your sig

    2. Re:Government-sponsored video game violence by Ig0r · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Punctuation is for losers!

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    3. Re:Government-sponsored video game violence by MiTEG · · Score: 1

      I believe it is conventially assumed that the elder is being referred to unless Jr., III, etc. are specifically mentioned.

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  5. Ribbon cables and the like by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Flamebait

    I have to commend Apple on one thing, it isn't their crap for kernel OSX nor is it their candy-coated, not meant for serious use user interface. The thing that really stands out about Apples is the case design.

    The problem with PC cases is that it is difficult to get into and install components, at least more difficult than it has to be. Apples have the nice fold-out side panel so that opening the box means having all the components open for review right away. All cables are nicely laid so that there isn't the twisting, jumbled, leaning against the CPU and slowly melting ribbon cable problem that afflicts poorly designed PC cases.

    I'm sure that such cases are available for non-Apples, but having been component shopping this past weekend, I can attest to their dearth. Why must PC cases be stuck so far in the past? Can't we learn anything from our friends (not the software people) in Mt. View?

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    1. Re:Ribbon cables and the like by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 2

      Our friends in Mountain View? You mean Silicon Graphics?

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    2. Re:Ribbon cables and the like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok, this is prolly plain ranting idiocy, especially in response to flamebait, but OSX uses a BSD kernel... which aint crap. don't like the UI? get another skin. i've never used OSX, but from what i know it's pretty customizable and a lot of stuff (more than XP) in it can be changed

      on the other hand, goin onto ebay to find an old New World G4 or G4 case to mod out and put a pc mobo into sounds like a pretty damned good idea to me...

    3. Re:Ribbon cables and the like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You most certainly can get better cases and cabling for a PC. Get rounded ribbon cables, or a nice aluminum case. You can also use plastic ties and velcro cable ties to make the interior of a case neater, which will also give you better airflow (and don't forget to have fans in there!).

      I think it comes down to what you are willing to spend, and how much time you are willing to invest as well. I spent about $200 and a couple more hours with the last system I built, and not only does it look great, but the effort I put into building it is satisfying.

      Oh, and BTW, Apple is based in Cupertino, CA, not Mountain View.

    4. Re:Ribbon cables and the like by neuroticia · · Score: 1

      Uh.

      Two thumbscrews, pull-out mobo tray with detachable front panel connectors. PCI/AGP slots with thumbscrews. Purdy gleaming aluminum and blue case lights. I vote for Lian Li. Although my crappy black "Future Case" suits me just fine.

      I have to bunjee cord my mac's to my desk to prevent them from falling over due to their "convenient" handles.

      *growl*

      I know, I know. I'm going to get modded down for responding to flamebait. Hmph.

      -Sara

    5. Re:Ribbon cables and the like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an Antec KS282 and big hands.
      It isn't as nice as an Apple, but everything is easily accessible.

      I'd take a repackaged BSD over a repackaged NT any day.

    6. Re:Ribbon cables and the like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try again. OSX uses the Mach microkernel. It runs a BSD derived kernel as a single process under that microkernel. All VM and device drivers are Mach. BSD provides the TCP/IP stack, IPC, and the filesystem drivers.

      Its not that BSD sucks, its that Mach sucks. And BSD running under Mach sucks even worse than just plan Mach; running a monolithic kernel on a microkernel gets you all the blazing speed of a microkernel design with the modularity and fault tolerance of a monolithic kernel.

      Its anyone's guess why Apple does this. NeXT started it, but Apple was on the bandwagon way back when with MkLinux.

  6. Worst pun by teslatug · · Score: 0, Troll

    Can I take a crack at it?

    1. Re:Worst pun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    2. Re:Worst pun by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Negatory.

    3. Re:Worst pun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Puns like yours really crack me up.

    4. Re:Worst pun by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Non.

    5. Re:Worst pun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never.

  7. Army and one platform by norwoodites · · Score: 0, Troll

    Why does the army not release America's Army for the Mac or Linux? Is this an even against all of what a government stands for, they are promoting a single company, which actually has been convicted of anti-trust (M$).

    The army needs to figure out they are doing something against the law by promoting a company that was convicted of anti-trust.

    1. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T(H)GSB is long over dipshit

    2. Re:Army and one platform by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think the Army's so much looking for Linux-using rebels as Microsoft users willing to follow orders in its enlisted ranks.

    3. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not promoting Microsoft, they're promoting the Army. Most of the people that use alternative operating systems probably wouldn't join the Army any damn way, they'd be smart enough to choose the Air Force.

      Not enough people that DO use Linux or MacOS would be interested in signing up, so it's just not worth their while to blow MORE taxpayer money on promoting to people that are outside of their target demographic.

      It's based on the Unreal Tournament 2003 engine, wait for UT2003 Linux to come out and then convert it yourself.

    4. Re:Army and one platform by vegetablespork · · Score: 1
      C'mon. Linux? The un-American operating system? Right.

      And Mac users aren't exactly the army type--I mean, picture the Mac fanatics you know. Can you see them carrying around M-16s and wearing camo? I guess they would have that "Army of One" part down, though.

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    5. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently got my first mac & i'm a fanatic, os X rocks.

      I reckon I could kick your arse

    6. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You reckon wrong, mate.

    7. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take both of you... With my hands tied behind my back...
      And before you say... Yes I could get both hands tied behind my back... You fat cunts!

    8. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! First the Crips and the Bloods, and now the Wintels and the Macs.

    9. Re:Army and one platform by Barbarian · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      I think the decision to not target Mac fanatics must mean that the army is going to end the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    10. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Or it could just be that the game is based off the newer builds of the Unreal engine which hasn't been ported to Mac yet (only DirectX at this time). Plus it's also supposed to be a training tool internal to the Army, so why develop for platforms that they don't plan to use.

      Personally it seems to be that Windows XP users are the ones with the most liking for getting violated in strange and painful ways...

    11. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll fuck you ALL up!

    12. Re:Army and one platform by norwoodites · · Score: 1

      I was making a statement that the government was catering to a known company that likes to break laws of this country.
      Look I would like to play the game but since I am a Mac user I cannot.

    13. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does the army not release America's Army for the Mac or Linux?

      They still do not allow homosexuals into the U.S. Army.

    14. Re:Army and one platform by Barbarian · · Score: 2

      Must I remind you of the Apple rainbow logo that was so popular in the 80's?

    15. Re:Army and one platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOO!

    16. Re:Army and one platform by geekoid · · Score: 2

      haha, thats funny.

      unfortunatly, you'll get modded down by people with no sense of humor about themselves, or there platform.

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  8. Government learning from industry .... by reaper20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "In typical Army fashion the release of America's Army is a bust. All the servers are either full or down and the way it's set up, you can't play past the basic training without completing some of the training online. Since you can't connect to any of the servers to complete that training you basically can't play the game at all. What a waste of taxpayer money."

    Wow! I applaud the Army's foray into online gaming, they've cloned every aspect of online gaming, kudos! Tomorrow, there will be a patch, the next day, another one, but that one will break your savegames, but that won't matter, because the master server will still be down....

    (Still pissed I can't find a decent roleplaying NWN server....)

  9. Army Game Fix... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 5, Informative

    look in the install dir /system/tours.ini

    make sure the following sections look like this,

    Dependency(0)=-1
    Dependency(1)=-1
    Dependency(2)=-1
    Dependency(3)=-1
    Dependency(4)=-1
    Dependency(5)=-1
    Dependency(6)=-1
    Dependency(7)=-1
    Dependency(8)=-1

    (farther down)

    TourSeq(0)=0
    TourSeq(1)=0
    TourSeq(2)=0
    TourSeq(3)=0
    TourSeq(4)=0
    TourSeq(5)=0
    TourSeq(6)=0
    TourSeq(7)=0
    TourSeq(8)=0

    There - now you can do all the training offline :)

  10. Open Source server? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, maybe somebody could reverse-engineer the server protocol for the FPSes so people can set up their own servers.

  11. US Army == 666 by krs-one · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://www.pcgameworld.com/company.php/id/666

    If you go to that link now, you will find that that is the information about the Army game developers. Conviently, it also has the number 666 as its ID in the database.

    Coincidence? I think not! :)

    -Vic

    1. Re:US Army == 666 by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      At the risk of being a troll I thought this was cooler

      Shows the step by step process of the 9/11 attacks.

    2. Re:US Army == 666 by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 3, Funny


      U 85
      n 110
      i 105
      t 116
      e 101
      d 100
      32
      S 83
      t 116
      a 97
      t 116
      e 101
      s 115
      32
      A 65
      r 114
      m 109
      y 121
      +85+110+105+116+101+100+32+83+116+97-116+101- 115+3 2-65+114-109-121 = 666
      Coincidence? I think not!

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    3. Re:US Army == 666 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sad part is that there are people that read posts like this and decide to go blow up stuff.

  12. totally off topic...but since they opened voting by 512k · · Score: 0, Troll
    for the /. meetup today(http://slashdot.meetup.com)
    does anyone else find the choice of venues rather strange?

    however I'll be at a family reunion that day so it's a moot point for me.

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  13. America's Army links, taken from bluesnews.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who hate fileplanet, click here for Mirrors.

    3dgamers has it here

    1. Re:America's Army links, taken from bluesnews.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who hate fileplanet

      Are you implying that there's someone out there that actually likes FilePlanet?

  14. OK by GigsVT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently it has been decided that Serial ATA 2 (pdf doc) and Serial Attached SCSI are the answers."

    I'm usually a supporter of ATA hard disks in all but the most high end servers, due to the outrageous cost benefits they offer, but this is just stupid.

    SCSI is a far superior technology, there is no denying that. ATA is a hack ontop of a hack, just barely "good enough" in most cases. Only recently have large ATA RAIDs been available, through people like AXUS, Promise, and 3ware, by placing one controller per disk. Another hack on top of a hack, but very cost effective, and it works well.

    If we are going to change our interface anyway, why not get rid of the SCSI vs ATA argument completely and just stick with one or the other?

    I see no need for a serial SCSI and a serial ATA except for reasons of price descrimination against people who think SCSI is more reliable due to supersitions and tech mythology. The HDAs have been the same in many cases for a long time.

    So why not ditch Serial ATA, or ditch serial SCSI, or ditch both and use a mature technology like Fibre Channel (which is already basically serial SCSI).

    I don't see what this fragmentation gets us.

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    1. Re:OK by LoRdTAW · · Score: 3, Informative

      here the hell do you get that fibre channel is more mature then SCSI when SCSI is about 8-10 years older then it? True Fibre channel is very flexible allowing 127 devices and speeds of 2Gbps but SCSI is more mature and much more a standard then FC. IDE was actually derived from SCSI back in the day to make a cheaper consumer version of scsi (The ATA protocal is also taken from SCSI as well.) Yes FC is a more flexible and competitive solution to scsi but it was never really accepted as a direct interface to the device itself, instead relying on FC-scsi raid bridges to chain multiple tape and raid systems to single or multiple servers.
      FC disks work in a loop or ring topoligy like token ring. Each drives tx port is connected to the next disks rx port creating a non redundent ring (FL-AL uses a double loop for redundency) so if data in a 10 disk system has to be sent from the host adapter then it has to pass through each disk until it reaches the final drive also if one disk is sending allot of data along the bus then other disks will have to fight for bandwidth. so yea 127 devices sounds great but take into concideration all 127 have to fight for 100 or 200mbytes a sec then it isnt so cool anymore. Serial ATA gives you one dedicated 1500Mbps connection which is said to have a top speed of 150Mbytes/sec. Take that into concideration and create an accelerated raid controller with 8 or more of those disks and you easily could have yourself over 100Mbytes of read/write preformance, maybe even close to 200!

      -not edited for grammer or spelling.

    2. Re:OK by Mr.+Droopy+Drawers · · Score: 1

      Arbitrated loop is limited to 127 targets per loop. Most FC drives have two loops for redundancy.

      FC-based arrays are typically configured in switched environments and have effectively no limit to the number of drives/arrays/hosts connected.

      The primary motivation for looking at alternatives to SCSI (i.e. FC & SAS) is, as the speed of the bus increases, the length of cabling decreases and complexity increases. For FC, we're at 2Gb today and quickly heading to 10Gb. Parallel SCSI today is at U320 & headed to U640; pretty much out of steam.

      SAS & SATA are equivalent; you're getting better cabling options. However, it remains to be seen whether the physical HDD specs match between FC/SCSI drives and their ATA/SATA/SAS counterparts.

      It's not just a marketing difference between the two.

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    3. Re:OK by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      If you would have payed attention, I was comparing Fibre Channel to the brand new Serial SCSI and ATA, not to traditional SCSI and ATA.

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    4. Re:OK by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes FC is a more flexible and competitive solution to scsi but it was never really accepted as a direct interface to the device itself, instead relying on FC-scsi raid bridges to chain multiple tape and raid systems to single or multiple servers.

      The fibre channel protocol for storage is basically SCSI. SCSI commands are encapsulated in a fibre channel frame. The only reason that Fibre Channel isn't used as a direct interface to the device is that there really aren't many devices out there with Fibre Channel on them. This is likely because Fibre Channel has so many features that the interface is very expensive, and since it's just encapsulated SCSI anyway, it's much cheaper to have a single interface bridge. This is why we have serial ATA for cheap systems instead of just using (serial) Fibre Channel.

      FC disks work in a loop or ring topoligy like token ring. Each drives tx port is connected to the next disks rx port creating a non redundent ring (FL-AL uses a double loop for redundency) so if data in a 10 disk system has to be sent from the host adapter...

      Nobody does this. There are three topologies for Fibre Channel: Arbitrated Loop, Point to Point, and Fabric/Switched. Even if people did use the arbitrated loop topology, it doesn't quite work how you described. There is no fighting for bandwidth (That's what the "arbitrated" part is for), and there is no proceesing of other devices data from the loop. It's basically just repeated. In real life, however, only the point to point and switched topologies are used.

      127 devices sounds great but take into concideration all 127 have to fight for 100 or 200mbytes a sec then it isnt so cool anymore.

      First of all, in switched mode, there are considerably more then 127 devices supported. The device ID on the fabric is 16 bits, and each storage unit is speaking SCSI, so there can be 256 LUNs per device. That's alot of disks. Secondly, most fibrechannel switches have way more then 2Gb/s backplane bandwidth. so you're only fighting for that 100-200MB/s if multiple machines on the storage network are trying to access the same storage. Third, in a single system situation, you're not going to have hundreds of disks, and finally, if you did you'd have the same problem with serial ATA.

    5. Re:OK by geekoid · · Score: 2

      the reason we have both is money vs. performance.

      If they go with SCSI, many drive(i.e. nearly all IDE drives) won't qualify to be SCSI, and thats to expensive.
      If they go with ATA, people who need the performance increase will be pissed, and sue.

      "I see no need for a serial SCSI and a serial ATA except for reasons of price descrimination against people who think SCSI is more reliable due to supersitions and tech mythology. "

      It would be wiser if you didn't expound your ignorance so loudly.

      SCSI uses less processor, transfers more data, and can be use up to 12 meters of cable, you can put significantly more devises on a bus, and the fastest SCSI disk is faster then the fastest ATA disk. It is not superstition, it is fact.

      I have written code for SCSI and ATA, So I have experience with these issues.

      You want medium quality, and low costs, thats fine, but some people want high quality and are willing to pay for it.

      You know what really cracks me up? some over clocker who spends 3 days to get every cycle possible, spend 100 bucks on a cooling system, and still runs an IDE system.

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    6. Re:OK by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Me:
      think SCSI is more reliable due to supersitions and tech mythology.

      You:
      It would be wiser if you didn't expound your ignorance so loudly. (You then talk about how SCSI is technologically superior)

      It would be wiser if you would pay attention. I said at the beginning of my post that SCSI was a superior technology.

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  15. american gov has lost it completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting more and more like Britain in C19. Oh well, pride, fall, etc.

  16. Easy Access Cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Excellent Cases from Antec - http://www.antec-inc.com

    Easy side access, good airflow, and the power supplies get consistently good reviews.

    I love my Antec case.

    1. Re:Easy Access Cases by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      We got one of the large Antec cases at work, it has about sixteen 5 1/4 inch bays. Dual hot swappable power supplies, hot swappable fans(!), overall a great case. Antec knows engineering, and their cases show it.

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    2. Re:Easy Access Cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to Antec's site and was actually ready to buy the big SX1400B server case, but you can't buy it from them. You have to go to a reseller. So I followed the links to their sites but they all wanted me to create an account before I could even see the price.

      I got pretty fed up with the whole thing and just quit looking. I guess they just lost a sale.

    3. Re:Easy Access Cases by tillemetry · · Score: 1

      Not to mention they is LOUD (own two of 'em - do like the access though).

    4. Re:Easy Access Cases by Skjellifetti · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah, I've got one of their not-quite-server-but-too-big-for-a-workstation cases. The hard drive bay is held to the case with ticky-tacky plastic tabs on the front. Except they don't quite fit so the drive bay is not quite solidly mounted to the case. And that same hard drive bay holds the lock mechanism for the side door which means the door is not quite held onto the case. Their engineering is better than some I've seen, but still has lots of room for improvement.

    5. Re:Easy Access Cases by zaphod110676 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll second this. Mine is great. The 5.25" devices slied out on rails, the 3.5" device cages can be removed with the flick of a little metal lever. The spare drive rails have mounts on the bottom of the case. The thing came with a power supply with two fans and three additional case fans, plus there was room to add one right in the hard drive cage. The thing actually created a draft down near the floor. And the whole thing is really quite quiet.

      Oh, and both the side pannel and the from lock. This is important since my 15 month old daughter just discovered how much fun power switches are.

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      To Do: 1. Take over world 2. Pick up Milk and Bread on the way home
  17. Been playing the Army Ops from morning by cOdEgUru · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its commmendable that they got it out pretty early, rather than making us wait for years (Duke Nukem). But there are a couple of things which are a bit funny.

    After picking up your rifle, if I head off straight to the firing range, boom, the game brings me back in to face the seargeant. After this has happened a couple of times, I kinda loitered around the place after picking up my rifle, And bingo!, the Seargent asks me to move my butt, and I am placed in front of the firing range.

    Interestingly, if you pick up your rifle, load up a clip and decide to get rid of the snappy sergeant, then you still could. But a moment later, you are in a 4x4 cell with a cot and a couple of books and could pretty much hear some one playing some musical instrument in the next cell. I guess there were others who tried the same thing.

    So there are a couple of issues like the server being unresponsive (thousands of wannabe soldiers trying to connect) and the game not being as colorful as the unreal series. But hey, the realism of the game is what gets me. That and the fact that I scored 36 out of 40 in the Test Firing range. Do you think the US Army would hire sharpshooters based on this score ? :)

  18. Army FPS by bobtheprophet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uncle Sam wants you to go and frag those biznatches!

    --
    Don't give me none of this "nature theme" business.
  19. Alright! by Andrew+Kanaber · · Score: 1
    From the serial SCSI faq
    It will provide universal interconnect with Serial ATA, while offering logical SCSI compatibility ... Serial Attached SCSI customers do have the option of using lower cost Serial ATA devices in a native Serial Attached SCSI environment (upwards compatibility is supported).

    They're using the same physical layer as Serial ATA and doing SCSI on top. A new computer industry standard does the opposite of gratuitous incompatibility (gratuitous compatibility?) and probably makes things *more* convenient. What a pleasant surprise!

  20. is whine the only thing you drink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swear you people are sad.
    Someone puts somthing out as an advertisment and you bitch that it wasn't advertisted on all platforms.

  21. What about Xandros? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Xandros are laying people off, is nobody going to mention this?

  22. where's the patch for the Peace Corps simulation? by js7a · · Score: 4, Funny
    There - now you can do all the training offline :)

    Great, so, where's the patch that turns it into a The Sims-style system for the Army Corps of Engineers, where you go around installing solar roofs and handing out educational systems to disadvantaged third-world nations?

    The only way to win is to not breed the festering terrorists that the marines have to shoot at in the first place.

  23. fragmentation by mrgunntm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I kind of like the fragmentation of the different standards. the old ones that are no good will fall away in time, but the new ones will always have advancements making them even more versatile.

    For example, my PC has both an IDE expansion (7 IDE devices) and a SCSI card (2 devices) since they don't interfere with each other, i can have up to 24 devices, which is more than i could have with just IDE ATA expansion cards. I rather like the fact that my SCSI card can do 16 devices all on one cable where i have to add a new IDE channel for every 2 ATA drives i want.
    Both hap there ups and downs, but they are well mached ups and downs. if we only had one interface, then we would have downs that we couldn't get past.

    Imagine if noone ever made the PCI interface, and we had to use hacked together ISA connections for all of our add-ons. Noone complains that a new AGP bus is coming out, and complaints are few for other new interfaces. Anything that is better than what we have is, well, better than what we have.

    I can't wait to get more interfaces. But i will always use the old ones, in conjunction. (I happen to /like/ my Syquest SCSI cartridge drive)

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    "There's always an easier way" ~Mr. Gunn, Gunnventions
  24. also, the game needs a universal translator by js7a · · Score: 1

    Another patch that's needed is to have internet-wide messaging capabilities with the Bablefish or Google-API translations, which would naturally be represented in the game with a handheld universal translator

  25. Just how realistic is it? by flacco · · Score: 5, Funny

    For example, will I be able to shoot myself in the foot and get off the front line if I get scared?

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    pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
    1. Re:Just how realistic is it? by Pfhor · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Now the real question is, do you get the glass of Jim Bean?

      Damnit, where is adcritic when you need it?

    2. Re:Just how realistic is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And do you get Gulf War Syndrome from repeated play?

  26. America's Army... by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 3, Funny

    The government of the United States presents this great first person shooter to you, bundled with your own personalized version of Magic Lantern! I mean, all you're doing is going around shooting people, it's not like they'd want to spy all over your computer. Just don't tell Osama, I hope he downloads it and they catch him!

  27. Not that I endorse it by SirSlud · · Score: 3, Funny

    > words such "gay" or "jew" will not be tolerated

    This is going to be weird for most FPS fans. From personal experience, thats like, 90% of the vocabulary used in Quake 3 online.

    Where are the parents? Or maybe they dont care. :(

    --
    "Old man yells at systemd"
    1. Re:Not that I endorse it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry... It can't possibly be *that* long before somebody reverse engineers the server and allows all the gay jews in the world to play in a merry, friendly, and non-anti-gay environment.

    2. Re:Not that I endorse it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America's Army: Now with realistic "don't ask don't tell" technology!

    3. Re:Not that I endorse it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stfu gay jew

  28. Military intelligence? by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If this really is a true simulation of the US military, wouldn't that mean it might give away information on our army to anyone in the world that might want to know this intelligence? This worries me, I hope they didn't include any sensitive information in it.

    1. Re:Military intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      This worries me, I hope they didn't include any sensitive information in it.

      You're an idiot.

    2. Re:Military intelligence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      whys he an idiot just cuz he wants the army data secure./?????????????

    3. Re:Military intelligence? by slashdoter · · Score: 2
      "whys he an idiot just cuz he wants the army data secure"

      This simple fact is that the army doesn't have any secrets. The army has no super secret weapon, that hasn't been seen before( we do have some I'm sure, like some sort of ray gun, but it hasn't been on CNN yet so I don't expect to see it in the game). The real power in our army( note that I'm not saying navy or air force, they have lots of secret shit) is the training and support of our troops. Our boys ( and girls) WANT to be in the army and spend billions of dollars training every year, they have strong tech support and solid weapons. I don't think we are going to see anything in this game you can't read out of a Jane's book or watch in a TLC show. Basic army tactics are mostly unchanged since Vietnam just my $0.02

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      Does anyone actually have a Java program designed to control air traffic, or for the operation of a nuclear facility?
  29. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by flacco · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's strange that most usa people (which, btw, love to claim they're 'americans' by all means) think someone outside the usa care about the fake 4th july thing.

    Whatever gave you the idea that we give a shit what you or anyone else thinks?

    (bonus points - be sure to use the words "arrogant" and "cowboys" in your reply)

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    pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
  30. Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> This crack is similar to the crack found on Columbia's sister ships, Atlantis and Discovery. "

    Your obsession with your sister's crack is really more than I care to contemplate....

  31. We already have Serial SCSI... by Diesel+Dave · · Score: 2, Informative

    it's called Fibre Channel. 'SAS' digresses. SCSI should rightfully die as a transport. Fibre channel already transports SCSI-3, TCP/IP, and others over a single pair loop configuration similar to ethernet. 'Infiniband' will be the forth coming 10GB general replacement for Fibre Channel...

    Serial ATA is of course a joke. What should be done is to standardize a basic non-SCA cabling scheme and spec for 'consumer' rated Fibre Channel, instead of going on with this ridiculous ATA bullshit. (Like SCSI should have been standardized on years ago.)

    1. Re:We already have Serial SCSI... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3

      it's called Fibre Channel [cinonic.com]

      Fibre channel? I don't think so. Fibre channel is dying out, and is being replaced by GigE and Gig10E. Fibre channel suffers tremendously from lack of standards, low production volume and high costs.

    2. Re:We already have Serial SCSI... by Mr.+Droopy+Drawers · · Score: 1

      Dying out? Don't think so. The FC transport being spoken about is FCP or SCSI over fibre channel. Block transfer, not file transfer.

      iSCSI is the competing block transport over TCP/IP is the competing technology over Gig-E. Not really a market reality. IBM pulled their iSCSI Array off the market and other vendors such as SUNW are rethinking their iSCSI strategy.

      However, there's lots going on in Fibre Channel. Take a look at http://www.spinnakernet.com/news/infostor/san_to_n as.html
      for a look at Storage Area Networks, Network Attached Storage, and storage virtualization.

      --

      To Copy from One is Plagiarism; To Copy from Many is Research.

    3. Re:We already have Serial SCSI... by gmaestro · · Score: 1
      ...and is being replaced by GigE and Gig10E

      that's great. link please?

    4. Re:We already have Serial SCSI... by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      Fibre channel? I don't think so. Fibre channel is dying out, and is being replaced by GigE and Gig10E. Fibre channel suffers tremendously from lack of standards, low production volume and high costs.

      GigE is based on fibre channel. The physical layer was lifted directly from the fibre channel spec. Ethernet doesn not have the features necissary to be a good storage interconnect. Fibre Channel has many, well defined standards. There is a high production volume. (Almost every enterprise storage solution available has FC)

      Fibre Channel is not a good alternative for Serial ATA. Fibre Channel supports way too many things, and the average interface chip is larger then most x86 northbridges. Hardly cost/power/space effective.

    5. Re:We already have Serial SCSI... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      that's great. link please?

      OK

      Quotation:

      Part of the confusion between SAN and NAS can be attributed to the current battle brewing over FC and GigE. There is no doubt that these two protocols are competing standards. FCIA ahs gone as far as endorsing the move to create a new standard where FC can operate over IP networks: FCIP. The only problem here is, as you envelope protocols within protocols, performance becomes an issue. Why not just use IP natively? What we need is "more SAN, but less fibre!" or a fibreless SAN that uses IP. It only makes sense.

    6. Re:We already have Serial SCSI... by Diesel+Dave · · Score: 1

      The only problem here is, as you envelope protocols within protocols, performance becomes an issue. Why not just use IP natively?

      I guess in your world networks run via vulcan mind meld. Here on earth tcp/ip requires a transport layer such as ethernet. FC is such a transport layer, that has very little overhead and can carry most any protocol.

      Encapcilating SCSI inside of TCP/IP...now THAT would be slow! TCP/IP is in no way geared for low latency direct hardware connect applications.

      Anyone that wants to converge NAS and SAN doesn't know WTF they are talking about. It's like saying you want to converge thin-clients with an autonomous machines.

  32. It's ok... the army is allowed to do that by SailorFrag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find this an interesting contrast to the past few years where people have tried various things ranging from restricting sales of violent games (especially FPSs) to banning them outright, with claims that they were causing kids to want to kill each other.

    So the US Army comes along and makes a violent FPS. Why aren't they complaining? Apparently it's bad if Id does it, but it's alright for the army.

    Who are they expecting needs to be faught against, anyway?

    1. Re:It's ok... the army is allowed to do that by ascarave · · Score: 1

      So the US Army comes along and makes a violent FPS. Why aren't they complaining? Apparently it's bad if Id does it, but it's alright for the army. This is the usual double standard. If a software company puts it out, it is mindless violence. If the US government does it then it is promoting patriotism and encouraging responsibility. The same is true with in other aspects with the US military. If a foreigner blows up a US embassy it is terrorism, but if the US levels a Chinese embassy it is either a tragic mistake, or military policy.

    2. Re:It's ok... the army is allowed to do that by guttentag · · Score: 2
      Who are they expecting needs to be faught against, anyway?
      Saddam Hussein. Who else?
      U.S. Plan Calls for Massive Attack on Iraq - Report
      WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A draft U.S. military plan for an invasion of Iraq envisions a multi-pronged attack with tens of thousands of Marines and soldiers probably invading from Kuwait, The New York Times reported on Friday.
      Next question?
    3. Re:It's ok... the army is allowed to do that by geekoid · · Score: 2

      there will be compliants, you watch.

      Most people try not to remember the military kills people.

      I am not taking a side on whether this is right or wrong in this post.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  33. Army HW Support by Jeepsta · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok so now I cant even play this game b/c my voodoo card is unsupported. Seems you cant use any voodoo 1/2/3 cards....bullshit! So I guess i wont try it out.

    1. Re:Army HW Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Maybe because Voodoo cards are absolutely and undeniably crap? nVidia and even Matrox killed those worthless lines of "graphics" cards years ago. Sure, the Voodoo was neat when they hit the market at first, but as soon as nVidia showed up, the Voodoos were just braindead piles of junk in comparison.

      No offense, dude, but complaining that a new game doesn't support your shitty Voodoo card holds about as much weight as me complaining that my old audio cassette recorder I used with a TRS-80 back in the day to store my programs isn't supported by Win2K on my P4. Maybe if 3dfx hadn't taken so many years to even make a stab at fully supporting a standard like OpenGL (instead of their f'ing moronic "glide" shit with the first few Voodoos), they wouldn't have been slaughtered by the companies that had a clue from the start.

    2. Re:Army HW Support by Jeepsta · · Score: 1

      Dont get my wrong.....I do agree with you. They are crap, but there are a bunch of people out there that still have them. Even if the game ran like shit it would still be nice to be able to see it in action. Being the college student that I am, I just dont have $300 - $400 just hanging around to throw at a nice video card. I would just like to see some support for the VooDoo cards even though they are crap.

    3. Re:Army HW Support by bogie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      get a GF4MX for $73 or better yet a Radeon 8500 from Newegg for $99. Heck even a GF2Ti is only ~$60. Buy any one of those cards and you can play any game out there now. Even the older GF2 plays UT2003 well at 800x600 Medium detail.
      If you want to be a gamer you gotta spend money sometime.

      --
      If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
    4. Re:Army HW Support by *xpenguin* · · Score: 1

      A nice video card costs $50-$150 dollars.

    5. Re:Army HW Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I hope it wasn't taken personally at all -- my annoyance with 3dfx and their Voodoo cards was that they hyped up these subpar cards to such a degree that it was difficult for most people to really be able to know what they were getting until they saw someone else's TNT/TNT2 based card. My best friend of many years fell in to the same trap. He was kicking himself after he bought one of the 3dfx cards once he saw the TNT2 I had put in my system at the time. I really hate it when a company's marketing machine compensates for a crappy product and ends up screwing a lot of people who, for countless different reasons, can't afford to buy a new card every year.

      3dfx's insistence on their proprietary glide technology (which caused a lot of problems for those of us with TNT[2]s wanting to run games that were specifically written for the braindead and worthless glide) and their refusal for years to admit that a scene rendered in 32bit with a full alpha channel would look better than their Voodoo's 8bit rendering just annoyed the hell out of me since they were, at least at first, the top dogs and should have known a lot better.

      Anyway, for what it's worth, you can get GeForce4 MX440 based cards (the lower end GF4's -- do not mistake these for the high end Ti4600, they do not provide quite the same ridiculous amount of performance) for under a hundred. In fact, Googlegear has a whole slew of 64MB and 32MB GeForce 2, 3 and 4 cards -- any of which will destroy a Voodoo 1-3. You can even find GeForce 2 cards, which will give you respectable though not stellar performance, for $40 to $50 at places like NewEgg.

      No, I don't work for Googlegear or NewEgg and am not affiliated with them in any way, shape or form. I'm just one of their satisfied repeat customers.

    6. Re:Army HW Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few nits:

      Voodoo cards rendered in 16 bit, not 8. And I don't remember anyone saying that it looked better than 32 bit, just that it was faster than 32 bit capable cards (true, for a short time).

      The GeForce4MX isn't really a Geforce4. It's technically closer to a Geforce 2. So you miss out on the ridiculous performace and all the weird new shaders and stuff better cards have and newer games (for instance Doom 3 and the billion games that will use its engine) will take advantage of. A low end GF4 or GF3 would probably be the best bet for low price and future usefulness.

    7. Re:Army HW Support by dknj · · Score: 1

      odd, my voodoo2 outperforms my tnt2 and ati rage. last i checked companies are still selling computers with tnt2s (ibm) and ati rage pros (dell)..

    8. Re:Army HW Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dknj, no one mentioned tnt2 and ati rage. Geforce killed all, and quickly. Also, please dont confuse 'rage pro' with 'rage 128'. Ati equipped 'rage 128' with balls, little ones, but more than 'rage pro' which is a design for server boards, not gaming. VooDoo has no balls left; thank 32-bit color for that.

      Guys, this guy with the VooDoo, sounds like he doesnt HAVE an AGP slot. Search much harder for a PCI Geforce; but you might have to factor in the cost of a new motherboard, and potentially new ram and cpu to go with it.

      So, dude, which processor is it you wind up every morning to get this VooDoo going?

    9. Re:Army HW Support by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Thats fine. you want to stick with older techology, no one will force you to play.
      I'm sure you won't miss doom 3 either.

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    10. Re:Army HW Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be 4yrs old, do yourself a favor and only admit to being stupid from now on.

  34. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    none but yourselves.
    and, btw, whatever gave you the idea that someone give a shit about what you [usa people] think?

  35. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You boorish, colonial cowboys are far too arrogant.

  36. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by flacco · · Score: 5, Funny
    You boorish, colonial cowboys are far too arrogant.

    We have a winner :-)

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  37. Cracks? by huckda · · Score: 1

    What happened, did the astronaut's bend over wear'n plumber's pants?

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    "Just Smile and Nod." --Huck
  38. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Whatever gave you the idea that we give a shit what you or anyone else thinks?

    heh, you really know how to describe your attitude

  39. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would replace "cowboy" with "redneck" cause few americans are cowboys, but they sure are a lot of rednecks in USia

  40. shuttle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cracks were] found on Space Shuttle Columbia this week, possibly delaying missions for the remainder of the year. This crack is similar to the crack found on Columbia's sister ships, Atlantis and Discovery

    I heard that Colombia's crack is the best of all of them.

  41. Re:where's the patch for the Peace Corps simulatio by Buck2 · · Score: 1

    You, my man, have set yourself on a course fraught with difficulties and despair.

    Good luck. I applaud your choice in battles.

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    As my father lik@(munch munch)... ....
  42. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by flacco · · Score: 2
    but they sure are a lot of rednecks in USia

    I'm with you on that one. But every nation has its rednecks...

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    pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
  43. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're right, you don't give a shit to outsiders. Instead, you keep throwing shit everywere inside your own places.

  44. What a waste of taxpayer money! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, they design nuclear weapons, but won't let me play with them. :(

    Man, that sucks. What the hell?

    Yeah, yeah, not the same thing, but it almost is. Military tech need not be shared with civilians, and in fact, it probably shouldn't be, if you're a 'Citizens are just waiting to revolt!' type.

    FPS training, though. That's interesting. Maybe I should sign up, I was a terror with my AWP back when Counterstrike didn't suck. ;)

    1. Re:What a waste of taxpayer money! by Jeepsta · · Score: 1

      So you mean I cant just call the troops back and drop a nuke on my enemies....sheesh :-)

  45. Obligatory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's the Greenpeace patch?

    Homer: "Don't worry, we have orders not to fire on anyone but Greenpeace." ;)

  46. I think you have won... NO PRIZE! by Nindalf · · Score: 2

    Does anyone else remember the whole Marvel "no-prize" thing?

    1. Re:I think you have won... NO PRIZE! by gripdamage · · Score: 2

      No but this sounds a bit like the motto on every soda bottle I have opened in a the last few years:

      YOU ARE NOT A WINNER

      Geez, and all I wanted was a drink, and they brand me a loser. For all time apparently.... No appeal or anything....

  47. I'll bite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Gracefully? It would've been graceful if Washington, at the end, was hiding in a tree like Charlie, sniping.

    Gracefully? By the end, we fought on England's terms and thrashed them handily. (And again some years later.)

    Gracefully? An officer of our navy sacked several towns on English shores. English shores!

    Gracefully? They could've kept fighting. And if they did, they would've continued to lose. Graceful? It was more a surrender than anything else.

    They should've tried to tax tobacco. No one gives a flying fark about tea, but you wouldn't have seen anyone throwing good tobacco into the ocean. :P

    1. Re:I'll bite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should learn history from the right sources. England was *a lot* stronger in militar power than the USA at the time of your "independence". They let you be another "independent" country for commercial convenience - they've earned a lot from you even after the "independence", probably more than what they could have earned if they have kept you as a colony. Anyway, if it makes you happier to think that you have actually fought for your "independence", go ahead, and have a nice 4th july :)

    2. Re:I'll bite. by CountBrass · · Score: 1

      >>Gracefully? By the end, we fought on England's terms and thrashed them handily. (And again some years later.) Funny I thought it was the US's army that got it's arse kicked when it attempted to invade Canada and it's capital that got burnt to the ground in 1812. The US has only won one war against England (admitedly the most important). Although strictly speaking the US didn't exist then, it was the 13 colonies. So the score US versus England would be 1-0 to England ;-) Given the US's many well deserved triumphs, I am surprised you have to invent one.

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    3. Re:I'll bite. by CountBrass · · Score: 1

      Hmm well the guy you were replying to had obviously never passed a history exam, but neither it seesm did you. The 13 colonies *did* fight for and win their independence. In 1812 the US did try and invade Canada - and had their arses whipped and their capital burnt down for their trouble.

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      Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
  48. More about the art director... by writermike · · Score: 5, Informative

    For what it's worth, I know the art director on the Army Game project very well. Luke Ahearn is a real class act and will listen to any concerns you guys have.

    I used to work with him several years ago when he ran Goldtree Enterprises. They created Cylindrix and Dead Reckoning. They also released a number of FRPG utilities to help GMs run games. The web site is still online.

    Review of Cylindrix

    Review of Dead Reckoning

    It's really a pleasure to see the fruits of labor finally. Army Game has been pretty hush-hush since Luke left New Orleans for the project.

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    If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
  49. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by istartedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If "graceful" includes the Revolutionary war, impressment of US sailors, and the war of 1812 in which they marched on our capital and burned the White House, I'd hate to see what "grudgingly" looks like.

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    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  50. Americas Army by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    This is actually a ploy to pluck out people who the US government thinks are a security risk - what better way than with a video game? you can assess players tactical ability, skills, reflexes, and more importantly, what makes them tick. Also they are in league with microsoft :)

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    This comment does not represent the views or opinions of the user.
  51. Besides the games servers being swamped by Sangui5 · · Score: 1

    I'm having a helluva time downloading it. All the mirrors I can find are swamped too. I've managed to pull maybe 80 meg of it to a machine at work that's hanging off a T3, but even that's been painful. The servers keep dropping the connection, and if it wasn't for resumable downloads, I wouldn't have gotten anywhere.

    Anybody know of a "reliable" mirror?

  52. America's Army by kearneyj · · Score: 1

    You don't have to wait in line at FilePlanet. Use the mirrors.

    1. Re:America's Army by rehannan · · Score: 1

      Or, if you have one of those o-so-fun dialup connections, you can order it on a cd from File Planet for $10 (along with whatever else you can cram on one cd). I think you can get the CD free from the US Army, but be prepared for years of Army spam!

  53. MODS-- Plus one, funny!!!! +1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mod it up!!

  54. Re:totally off topic...but since they opened votin by LordBodak · · Score: 1

    Yes, the venue choices are really odd. I have looked at one or two of the other categories and all the venues are odd...

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    LordBodak's journal.
  55. Cowboys by os2fan · · Score: 2
    Where I come from, a cowboy is the boy who milks the station's cow, and do other odd chores around the station buildings.

    A station is similar to what the US types call a ranch, although ranches are very small. Jackeroos (and Jilleroos) go out and round up the cattle or sheep in the paddocks.

    Given that the americans come over here to see the real bush, as opposed to those market gardens and spelling pens you call "ranches", they should move their national day to something more appropriate, like 26 Jan.

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    OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
  56. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by dabootsie · · Score: 1

    Actually, the Canadians burned the White House when we tried to invade them. Sure, they act all polite but deep down they're irritable snowbound bastards.

  57. Good point but... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you fear bin Laden or Al Queda I think you're taking the threat a little too seriously. Since the attack on Tora Bora there simply haven't been any new bin Laden videos with actual new footage of the man himself.

    On the other hand, America's enemies are not simply limited to crazy Arabic peoples bitter about America's hegemony. They include a very wary China, a not quite mentally stable North Korea, and a beaten but not cowed Iraq. The thing is, though, that they likely already have our secrets. So basically, it's way too late to worry about the possibility that this game is going to give away military secrets.

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    1. Re:Good point but... by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 2

      I agree that it is frightening about the nuclear secrets. Still, China having them wouldn't do too much in my opinion, since they already have enough nukes in my opinion. I guess some nukes might be stronger, but I sort of thing of nukes as nukes. Plus, there is the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) that will keep most nuclear countries (China mainly) from attacking us (aside from North Korea). Hopefully India and Pakistan will soon catch on to MAD before blowing each other up.

      I think that conventional war tactics are the more likely ones to be used in wars with this type of country if we have a war with them.

    2. Re:Good point but... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

      Throughout the Iran/Iraq war, it wasn't nuclear bomb dropping tactics that the US was teaching the Iraqi army. The world's fourth-largest standing army at that time was learning conventional military techniques from the Americans.

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  58. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder why some idiotic moderators were capable to set this stupid post as "4:Funny". Isn't it obvious this is a typical troll? Oh, for a moment I forgot that Slashdot is run by usa buddies, so all this crap makes sense.

  59. Re:Been playing the Army Ops from morning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll let us know when you've graduated sniper school won't you?

  60. best mirror I've found by brad3378 · · Score: 2

    http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=army_download

    I've had the best luck with the split files.
    Search for These files on Kazaa:

    Army.1 (19.5MB)
    Army.2 (19.5MB)
    Army.3 (19.5MB)
    Army.4 (19.5MB)
    Army.5 (19.5MB)
    Army.6 (19.5MB)
    Army.7 (19.5MB)
    Army.8 (19.5MB)
    Army.9 (19.5MB)
    Army.10 (13.5MB)
    Merge.bat (1KB)

    run the merge batchfile to combine downloads

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    1. Re:best mirror I've found by Sangui5 · · Score: 2

      Except that there are 11 split files. 10 isn't the last one. There's an 11th (~13.5 meg) which isn't linked to on the nvidia web page, but is there nonetheless.

      Don't believe me--take a look at Merge.bat.

      *IF* you can get through to their ftp server you can get all 11. So far I've had mixed luck with it. Right now I just need to get the tail end of 3 and I'm done, but I've been hand-coddling the connection, noting when it has totally stalled and cut it to resume, etc. Royal pain in the ass.

    2. Re:best mirror I've found by brad3378 · · Score: 2

      Good eye!
      I didn't catch that missing 12th file (army.11)

      The file is on their site, but the link is missing.

      Here it is:
      http://download.nvidia.com/downloads/Army/Split_ fi les/Army.11

      If you keep having trouble with the mirrors, try a peer2peer search.
      The files are already showing up on Kazaa.

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    3. Re:best mirror I've found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thankyouthankyouthankyou and so on

      I was pissed when I did not see the link and could not find it on their ftp site.

  61. Space shuttle launch cancelled.. by anomalousman · · Score: 1

    So the latest shuttle launch was cancelled just before the first Israeli crew member was to go into space on it. Does anyone else wonder if the crack is just the story on the press release?

  62. ArmyOpsRecon.exe by Junior+Macintosh · · Score: 1

    I'm having trouble finding a working version for Linux or Mac OS X. Can anybody point me in the right direction? ArmyOpsRecon.exe doesn't seem to work for me.

    1. Re:ArmyOpsRecon.exe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Euhm... I'm running WinXP .. and i cant even open the file ...

      - any help - ?

      What am i doing wrong

  63. Quake 3 Vocabulary by Geek+In+Training · · Score: 2

    This is going to be weird for most FPS fans. From personal experience, thats like, 90% of the vocabulary used in Quake 3 online.

    Where are the parents? Or maybe they dont care. :(


    As an avid quake3er, I can attest to this, as I am one of the biggest offenders out there. I pay $70 for crappy DSL that won't get me under 100 ping on any server in the known universe, and I cannot swear at all around real people. SO I take my frustrations out on the unsuspecting "virtual people" on Jolt1 in the UK. I'm trying to knock off some of the more filthy things, but some of my favorite things to say are:

    "That was worse than giving Chewbacca a blowjob!" when my team gets owned 8 - 0 ...and pretty much anything with 'crap' in it, such as:
    Craptastic, craptacular, crapulous, crappity crap crap crap, etc. :)

    As for my parents, well seeing as I am 26, they live on the other side of town. And when dad is stuck in rush hour, mom is cooking dinner, and junior is "doing his homework," I'll bet the parents are trusting their kids to be polite and not looking over their shoulders every minute of every day.

    When I have kids and internet access, you're darn right I am going to filter and log all kinds of crap, and moderate my children's usage whenever necessary... but who has time to sit over their kid's shoulder while gaming to make sure they don't say "You stupid jew fag!" :P

    -[H]olyGeekboy

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    1. Re:Quake 3 Vocabulary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was in college, we played Quake (1) in the dorms on the LAN. Blood, Duke Nukem, and Doom II as well. Our vocabulary, though, consisted of phrases such as "Suck the snotty end of my fuckstick you cum-guzzling gutter whore!"

  64. mod this puppy up, please! by pedro · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I so hate it when people who *actually know about something* sre ignored by the /. crowd just because they're not 'in the flow' of whatever parochial, or paranoid discussion happens to be taking place at the time.

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  65. Re:happy 4th of july by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



  66. mirrors by Barbarian · · Score: 2

    the mirrors at

    shacknews are quite good, and not overloaded.

    Also, instead of using Gamespy Arcade to find servers to play on, plain old Gamespy works better and isn't full of ads in your face. Unfortunately the protocol is closed ("powered by gamespy") or something so All Seeing Eye doesn't work with it.

    1. Re:mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks for the link, im currently getting it at 320kb/s :)

  67. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by FatSean · · Score: 1

    you're reaching, but your sig is good enough for me!

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  68. US Army's game impressed me... by sterno · · Score: 2

    I have never seen a video game so aptly demonstrate what goes terribly wrong when you try to get anything done with an overfunded bureaucracy. Kudos to the developers! :)

    Actually from what little I can tell from the training missions (since I can't get on an fscking server), it looks like it could be really good. If only they had either:

    1) insured that there were plenty of good servers
    2) dropped the silly requirement of playing one map before you could play the others

    Should be interesting to see how they handle this. I'm sure it will be handled in an amply bureaucratic and ineffective way.

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  69. Weird Al is a prophet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If I meet you/I'll control-alt-delete you."
    -- Weird Al "All About The Pentiums"

    1. Re:Weird Al is a prophet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds a lot more manly than "I'll control-open apple-reset you," doesn't it.

  70. I have a mirror by adpowers · · Score: 1

    I stayed up late this morning trying to download it from nVIDIA. I finally got it and put it on my server. It is available here:

    http://andrewhitchcock.org/ArmyOpsRecon.exe

    It may be slow, but as of last night, it was still faster than the official mirrors who are swamped (and it beats waiting in FilePlanet's line).

    1. Re:I have a mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ---WARNING, THIS FILE HAS A TROJAN IN IT---
      ---MD5 CHECKSUM SHOULD BE---
      MD5 (ArmyOpsRecon.exe) = 3529c2ef0d5ebae052ee480f3223239c

  71. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And did you ever think about the fact that we don't give a shit about you not giving a shit that we don't give a shit about giving and not giving a shit? And you cared enough to reply...so someone gives a shit somewhere.

    Anyway, looking at the world today, can you honestly say no one gives a shit? It is practically full of shit, so someone somewhere is giving a shit (and plenty of it) about someone giving and/or not giving a shit about shit, so your shitty idea about no one giving a shit isn't worth shit.

    Facts collected: We say we don't give a shit. You say you don't give a shit.

    But it shows otherwise, and the only logical conclusion is that we are all full of shit, continually giving and taking shit all day and night for the rest of our lives, and are just as full of shit as the next group.

    Just imagine that...groups of people priding themselves in not being arrogant, and all they do is dance about with the delusion of superiority claiming that they are better because they are less arrogant. That sounds like a shit sandwich to me.

    Anyway, if all you want to do is talk shit, why don't you get straight to the point and eat my ass? :-)

  72. subscriptsions by Twillerror · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For all of you out there that aren't signed up for slashdot subscription ( I'm one them ) it's time to relize the benefit of the model.

    I'm a subscriber to gamespot complete. As a member I get access to their download network. Honestly I forget the name of the provide, someone please respond with it.

    Anyways, I was queued for the download before it was released. The second is was, I was first in line for it. I got home for my 4th festivities to find it waiting for me.

    Just think of it as a magazine subscriptions with benifits. Sign up for you favorite site!!, put your $ where you mouth is

  73. Ogg Vorbis Use by Mnemia · · Score: 2

    Interestingly, it appears that the Army game uses Ogg Vorbis for sound...
    In the system folder of its directory I see the files vorbis.dll and vorbisfile.dll.
    If that's the case, I think it's pretty cool...
    Now if only they dropped the whole Windows thing :)

  74. FC Dying? Huh? by stereoroid · · Score: 2
    Fibre Channel is dying out? Huh? Do you actually deal with high-end storage?
    • first or all, 2Gb FC is already being used, with 10Gb on the way. That's plenty if you use it correctly.
    • Don't forget that current SAN design involves FC Switched Fabric, which is to FC-Arbritrated Loop as a Ethernet Switch is to a Hub. (No, you can't have one, unless you sell your car first.)
    • in current FC disk subsystems, the disks use FC-AL for their local connection. That's more than enough bandwidth for an array of physical disks, and high-end controllers support multiple loops.
    • Comparisons between FC-AL and Token Ring are only superficially correct. At the bit level, there's far less overhead, and no token-passing delays.
    • This has been said earlier, but bears repeating: FC is a transport-level standard. At the physical level, it can run on copper (short runs), or fibre. At higher levels, it commonly carries SCSI-3 and IP, but could carry anything else e.g. IPX, SNA, MIDI, whatever, if someone implements it.

    Gigabit Ethernet is not currently a replacement for FC by any means, I'm afraid, unless you discount the whole SAN concept. I think I still have a few years left before I need to think about switch careers (again)...

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    1. Re:FC Dying? Huh? by No-op · · Score: 2

      Thank you for trotting out the cluestick.

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    2. Re:FC Dying? Huh? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      Do you actually deal with high-end storage?

      Yes, actually I just finished installing a 10 TB EMC setup. While it uses FC internally, there is no block mode transfer to external applications in this setup, and everything outside the EMC equipment is GigE. The fact is that NAS is much more widely used than SAN, and a pure NAS installation does not use FC. In addition NAS vendors are encroaching on the SAN market by adding SAN features to their ethernet transport layers. With the commodity pricing of GigE (and soon 10GigE) I expect that what we currently know as SAN will disappear. As that happens so will FC.

  75. Monopoly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, where can I download a version that doesn't require supporting a convited monopoly? I don't own an XBox, and I'm NOT turning my PC into one.

  76. get some perpective by stud9920 · · Score: 2, Informative
    What a waste of taxpayer money
    Yeah ! That game cost like what ? One million dollars (flame me, it may be five as far as I care)?

    With that money they could have killed extra terrrorists ! They could have bought 1000 murderous machine guns, 1/1500th of a bloody B2 bomber, 1/20th of an Apache helicopter or 1/736th of an intercontinental nuke.

    I mean, get some perspective. That's even less money they can spend killing people or they can use to fund terrorists
    1. Re:get some perpective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good propaganda is never a waste of money and the more heinous the institution, the better the propaganda needed.

  77. America'a Army and P2P by Master+Of+Ninja · · Score: 1

    Seeing that all the download servers are swamped, I'm wondering why nobody uses a P2P server (i.e. gnutella) to allow people to download the game. As more people download the game, and if they feel generous enough to share, there are more servers available to download from. This would allow easier access to getting the game files. All (i think) would be needed is a central program which can verify the file has not been tampered with (md5 checksum?).

    With all this banging on about illegal p2p, i wish somebody would put it to good use. What would be better than gnutella is that p2p system mention here a wee bit back (can't be bothered linking). This allows people to download off another user while they are still downloading. I'm sure it would solve a lot of the downloading problems at the moment.

    On the game itself, I haven't tried downloading it yet (with it being a 200MB file, and me having a dial-up) but it was a bit crazy of them to only have a couple of servers. I think they might release the servers with the full-game, as I think the RECON version is a beta of some sort. But it should be good (and its free!!).

  78. 80's nostalgia by Blackheart2 · · Score: 2

    Coincidence? I think not! :)

    Nonono. Pick one:

    • Was it coincidence...? Or was it... SATAN?!?!
    • Coincidence, or bullshit? You decide.
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  79. Space shuttle wise cracks by Fnagaton · · Score: 1

    Even though the cracks in parts of the space shuttle are serious and mean that the space program is delayed even more. I can see some of the headlines. "Columbia crack sinks hope for Atlantis. Discovery causes concern for scientists." Yeah yeah, sue me. :p I need a coffee.

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  80. jingoist as Jinoism does by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1, Troll

    I love the Orwellian double-speak above the pic on the front page of that link:

    Operation: DEFEND YOURSELF ?

    Maybe someone should tell the US Military that 'offense' is *not* defense...

    Its funny how the US calls its armed forces 'defence forces' and such - when in reality, the US Army is the most offensive force in the world. There is virtually no chance of armed conflict in North America (oceans as natural barriers), but American military is not meant to 'defend' themselves - its meant to goto war around the world. Just look at any of the 70 armed conflicts USofA has been involved in since WWII.

    Defence my ass. Warmongers -- and this "Video Game" is patent jinogism (inspite of the editors non sequitor).

    1. Re:jingoist as Jinoism does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever wonder why Bush feels the need to back out of a treaty Clinton signed for the creation of an international court against war crimes? Morality is a bitch.

  81. Re:Been playing the Army Ops from morning by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

    I scored 36 out of 40 in the Test Firing range. Do you think the US Army would hire sharpshooters based on this score ?

    Only if they let you aim your M-16 with a mouse.

  82. John Romero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The US Army wants to make you it's bitch!"

  83. The right protocol for disk access by hta · · Score: 2

    is IP, of course. See the IP Storage set of standards-in-development that includes iSCSI (IPS charter here).
    Etherhet cabling is much cheaper than all the other stuff out there, and with 10G Ethernet just standardized, it goes faster too.

    1. Re:The right protocol for disk access by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      and with 10G Ethernet just standardized, it goes faster too.

      Try it. Seriously, try and use it. It's slow, high latency, unpredictable, CPU expensive, and basically just not ready yet. Come back in 5 years.

  84. Re:US Army == 666 - haahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hehe dude you've got way to much free time ...

    how long did it take you to figure that out?
    It's funny, and slightly mind boggling at the same time :D

  85. I think the crack award goes to you. by No-op · · Score: 2

    I believe the post you were commenting on was referring to Fibre Channel as a mature technology as compared to serial ATA or serial SCSI. Fibre channel is by far and away faster than any other disk arrangements out there, and trumping out the silly FC-AL arguments is old. fibre channel switches do the same for your FC array as a true switch does for your network, compared to a hub. a fully switched mesh for your drives? at 2GB/sec ? I'll take it.

    for that matter, the logic for a FC drive isn't that much worse than a SCSI drive, so you can just pick up the same drives as FC disks... we have piles of them for sun boxes, and they work very well.

    FC-SCSI bridges are mostly used for lower-end storage devices, to cut down on cost. they have some value in the sense that you can have multiple scsi controllers accessing the drives in an enclosure(usually a proprietary setup, but useful) and then backending FC onto that. this allows for massive redundancy and we all know how much it sucks to have a controller blow at 4 am with no backup!

    FC-SCSI bridges are also used for things like tape archives, cheap storage boxes, etc, when you're looking for a way to use that DLT library with your spiffy new SAN.

    Don't mock what you don't understand, please.

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  86. Re:US Army == 666 - haahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would have been cooler if the actual sum of the numbers was 666.
    It is not.

  87. The other guy is the bad guy and good PR by quantaman · · Score: 2

    I can't/am too lazy to find an article now but it's interesting how they set it up so your always on the US army team and the other team is always the terrorists. Intestesting how that actually adds to the realism in a way because in the eyes of both teams they are always the good guys defending their country and their way of life against the evil forgein terrorists.

    On a side note I think actually making the game is a brilliant move by the army. From the sounds of it it cost somewhere around 5-7 million which is fairly small compared to most advertising campaigns. Combine that with the fact that it is free HUGE numbers of people will download it and it could easily become the most widely played FPS considering the fact that it is a retail quality game and it's free. Imagine Toyota put out a Need for Speed style racing game like this? Just by putting their name at the begainning like any game company does they will get a lot of loyalty from geeks everywhere which will be certainly be a lot more effective than any ad campaign. People tend to like you a lot more when you are directly giving them something very entertaining for free that usually costs money, than when you are just shoving ads in their face.

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    1. Re:The other guy is the bad guy and good PR by akvalentine · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that in their version of Need for Speed, the fastest cars/trucks will all be toyota's.

      They gave me a cool game for free AND look how fast their cars are! I gotta go get me one of those!

  88. Re:Been playing the Army Ops from morning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get 40 out of 40 with a REAL gun, then maybe they would talk (Sniper school is one of the hardest to get into).

  89. Re:US Army == 666 - haahahaha by ftobin · · Score: 2

    Since there are 18 numbers involved, all the author would have to do is have a short program that figures out all possibilities of adding/subtracting those numbers, which is a fairly small number, 2^18=262144. You could point it towards any number, and you are likely to to find the right combination of adding/subtracting.

  90. Re:Been playing the Army Ops from morning by akvalentine · · Score: 1

    It's only a matter of time.

  91. Re:Been playing the Army Ops from morning by geekoid · · Score: 2

    no.
    you get 40 out of 40, and put most of them through the same hole, then they will be interested.

    I watch a guy out 12 shots through the same hole. That's impressive.

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  92. Do it in your head, Another Combo by Fascist+Christ · · Score: 1
    1. Add up all the numbers -> 1718
    2. Subtract 666 -> 1052
    3. Using all the numbers, we have 666 + 526 - 526 = 666
    4. Approximate 526/100 ~ 5 negatives
    5. Choose 5 of the numbers close to 526/5==105.2 -> 110, 105, 101, 100, 101
    6. Add those -> 110+105+101+100+101==517
    7. Subtract from 526 -> 526-517==9
    8. Substitute a number from the remaining list approximately 9 units away from any of the five (not of the five) -> 100+9==109
    9. So, our negatives are -110, -105, -101, -109, -101
    10. Hence: 85-110-105+116-101+100+32+83+116+97+116-101+115+32 +65+114-109+121==666

    Very little guesswork needed! None of that 262144 guesses.

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    1. Re:Do it in your head, Another Combo by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2
      Actually, I did it from a small perl script that I downloaded off usenet in 1996. It will take any string and, if possible reveal that strings connection to the antichrist.

      I tried to post the script earlier, but /.'s filter didn't like it. Alas, a google link has solved my problem.

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  93. How realistic is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So does America's Army let you bomb Canadians?

  94. Re:Who cares about 4th July? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I'd hate to see what "grudgingly" looks like.

    Northern Ireland.

    And they left right fucking mess with India/Pakistan. I am sure there are a few other former colonies with no love lost for the British.

    Even if we look at one of their recent almost graceful withdrawals, they really left Hong Kong (aka Chinese Takeaway) up shit creek with a paddle, all the last minute attempts at democracy dont seem to have helped much. It might work out in the end though.

  95. Toyota racing game... by ThunderBucket · · Score: 1

    "Wow, my Corolla just trashed a WRX..."

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