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Hacktivismo to Release Steganography Tool

Anonymonkey writes: "According to this story at , a group called Hacktivismo will release a steganographic tool called Camera/Shy at H2K2 this year. Apparently, it will make it easy for persecuted political groups to hide messages in images. The group has links to the Cult of the Dead Cow, which is, of course, working on Peek-a-Booty."

201 comments

  1. new new special and new by jrs+1 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    what's wrong with the existing tool that i use to keep all my porn in my slashdot posts?

    1. Re:new new special and new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same one that realizes you're the guy who got modded down, hiding behind AC.

    2. Re:new new special and new by jrs+1 · · Score: 1

      heh, that wasn't me!

    3. Re:new new special and new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops- my bad then. Its just I've seen that tactic way too much lately- was getting sick of it.

  2. sooooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just another way to hide secret messages... dont we have enought of these already

  3. Hm... by CmdrTaco+(editor) · · Score: 1, Troll
    it will make it easy for persecuted political groups to hide messages in images.

    What do they mean by persecuted anyway? One could argue that the Taliban/Al Qaeda are persecuted political groups...

    1. Re:Hm... by Smitedogg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's easier, I'm sure, to make and distribute a program that terrorists could possibly use in some manner to attack us if you say 'It's for the persecuted political groups' instead. Has a catchy "For the children" ring to it". Plus it's good PR, of course.

    2. Re:Hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft rules!!!!!!!

    3. Re:Hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It totally does!!!!!!

    4. Re:Hm... by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      Um, they are persecuted political groups. But so are other groups that shouldn't be persecuted.

      Technology, ANY technology, helps your enemies as effectively as it helps your friends. Get over it.

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      "Old man yells at systemd"
    5. Re:Hm... by Psx29 · · Score: 1
      What do they mean by persecuted anyway? One could argue that the Taliban/Al Qaeda are persecuted political groups...

      I would assume they are talking about places like China where censorship of groups like Falun Gong(sp?) is common practice.

    6. Re:Hm... by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Any political group who has a lot of enemies be it in China, Russia, Afghanistan, or the US. This is simply encryption, sure a form of encryption better prepared against public scrutiny but encryption none the less. It comes down as always to the fundamental question of whether you want to make available these tools to individuals who have legitimate uses with the understanding that they can also be used against you.

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    7. Re:Hm... by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      I'm don't disagree with your position, but your logic is flawed. The fact that it helps your friends as effectively as your enemies is precisely why the US government doesn't want it's enemies to get tools like these.

    8. Re:Hm... by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      This isn't encryption, this is steganography. Encryption is a way of presenting information that makes it very hard to read the message. Steganography prevents you from finding the message itself.

      Both are effective means of communicating covertly, but they are two separate things.

    9. Re:Hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Now that the FBI is allowed to spy on domestic political groups again (not limited to terrorists), we can expect a lot more persecution of legitimate groups, as happened in the 70s under cointelpro. Political persecution by the state is, and always has been, a reality to anyone whose activism could pose a problem to the powers that be.

    10. Re:Hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that CDC and "Hacktivismo" work closely with american government agencies to help undermine the chinese governments stability. Since these tools are developed with cooperation with american agencies they are of course designed with flaws exploitable by said agencies. This stuff is definatly in americas interests. It doesn't get more all-american than fighting evil commies.

    11. Re:Hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are so right.

  4. It's not the first wheel. by AftanGustur · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will it do anything differently than the rock-solid and famous OutGuess" ?

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    1. Re:It's not the first wheel. by AftanGustur · · Score: 2

      Sorry, the link should have been www.outguess.org

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    2. Re:It's not the first wheel. by chiddiscokid · · Score: 1
  5. The articles says... by packeteer · · Score: 1

    ... this product is designed for non technical users... oh yah and you need IE5.0 or higher... i wonder what the good old feds are going to have to say about maybe giving some real encryption ro regular people...

    personally i think this is a good project BUT once again im afraid we may have to defend it from the same old DMCA/PATRIOT nonesense...

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  6. Traffic analysis by AgTiger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes it isn't the content that gives you away, it's the fact that you're sending traffic between point A and point B, and B talks to C, D, and E.

    That can be enough to tip off the wrong someone.

    Likewise, if you start sending graphic files back and forth where you USED to be sending other types of traffic, whatever entity might be watching those transmissions is likely to catch on. Let's not even go INTO how you're sending MORE data rather than less. Me, I'd be shooting for a method that breaks the communication up, sends it in with a bunch of other garbage to multi-pointed destinations at random times, strongly encrypted en-route so sender and receiver are masked...

    Oh wait, that sounds a lot like a mixmaster remailer.

    And yes, I know, mixmaster and PGP are not an option for environments where the very use of same is enough to get you drawn and quartered.

    1. Re:Traffic analysis by Jeremi · · Score: 2
      Sometimes it isn't the content that gives you away, it's the fact that you're sending traffic between point A and point B, and B talks to C, D, and E. That can be enough to tip off the wrong someone.

      I would think you wouldn't send any data directly to B at all... you'd merely set up an account on eBay and start selling some junk... but in the pictures of the junk, you hide your steganographied secret messages. Your buddies pose as eBay buyers, and occasionally read your page (along with many others, for cameoflage)... but when they read your page, they "Save Image As..." and extract the secret messages.

      For them to reply back to you, the same process is done in reverse. It would take a pretty sharp government to catch on to this, I think....

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    2. Re:Traffic analysis by PacoTaco · · Score: 2

      You could always go out of band, like this for example.

    3. Re:Traffic analysis by AftanGustur · · Score: 2
      Sometimes it isn't the content that gives you away, it's the fact that you're sending traffic between point A and point B, and B talks to C, D, and E.

      Absolutely true !

      And sometimes human rights activists get arrested because they spoke to the wrong person.
      You are talking about mistakes here. If you embed messages in images you don't want to bring attention to those images by sending them off in a email. Instead you make them a part of some normaly looking webpage and let everyone download it. That is what is so cool about steganography, nobody will know about the secret message, and even if they know they can't find it unless they know the secret.

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    4. Re:Traffic analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      these ppl are smarter than you i'm sure they've thought of anything you could come up with

    5. Re:Traffic analysis by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or use Usenet.

    6. Re:Traffic analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually they are just windows coders copying stuff out of a college infosec text book pretty much...

      but hey put up a website with a bunch of information wants to be free crap and the little kiddies will love ya.

    7. Re:Traffic analysis by mpe · · Score: 2

      Sometimes it isn't the content that gives you away, it's the fact that you're sending traffic between point A and point B, and B talks to C, D, and E

      In which case Alice, Bob, Chris, Denise and Edward don't communicate directly at all. Instead they use some method to broadcast their steganography disguised messages in a way that will be seen by lots of people.

  7. Re:Is this important news by gfilion · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    According to Radio-Canada (sorry just in french), a witness heared the shooter screaming "He took my job!"

    So maibe it's just a good ol' non-terrorist shooting in LA...

  8. open source by jrs+1 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    i'm sure the question on everyone's mind is 'are the tools going to be free as in software?'

    aren't the sites that host these tools going to be the first sites to be filtered by oppresive governments and thus rendered unusable due to not being able to get them?

  9. Well, I don't see anything too different here! by dmarien · · Score: 1

    The only thing that is news in that article to me was that a) steonography is being used, and b) the hidden messages will be encrypted.

    So, basically the author had to paste together some code for a front end gui that manages the stenographic encoding with the key based encryption.

    I don't even see how this is going to change anthing or be relevant to those indivuals who use combinations of both at present time.

    Although, I can see myself downloading this when it's released so I can send a test out. But c'mon...

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  10. Not quite by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The phrase "Hi'tuk Mi'jobb" is Arabic for "I'm killing you, but I really want to kill your children in the name of Allah. Allah permits me to kill children in order to secure my place in heaven!"

    It's a common mistake to make. I advocate going out now and shooting an islamic mongrel in order to make amends.

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    1. Re:Not quite by gfilion · · Score: 0, Troll

      The phrase "Hi'tuk Mi'jobb" is Arabic for "I'm killing you, but I really want to kill your children in the name of Allah. Allah permits me to kill children in order to secure my place in heaven!"

      Wow! Arabic should be considered as a compression method, it's definitly better than gzip! 8)

    2. Re:Not quite by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Troll

      It only translates so well because EVERY phrase these mongrel creatures speak has to have some type of groveling to their 'god'.

      Its amazing how they can walk on their hind legs, really. They try to imitate humans but fail miserably.

      Remember that islamic law says that it's OK to gang-rape underage girls.

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    3. Re:Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, you arrogant piece of racist filth.

  11. Dumb, DUMB idea by splorf · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Steganography is a lot harder than it sounds. It's easy to hide a message in an image file and have the image still look normal on the screen to a casual observer. It's a hell of a lot harder to keep an opponent from detecting the message by analyzing the file knowing how your program works.

    I am afraid unless Hacktivismo is really careful and knows what they're doing, their program may get some human rights workers tortured and killed. By careful, I mean don't even mess with embedding messages in jpg images. It might be reasonably safe to embed them in audio or video streams at very low bit rates, like one bit per several seconds of 44 khz 16 bit PCM audio or mini-DV video. And even that would take sophisticated encoding to keep detection difficult.

    Reference: Security Engineering by Ross Anderson, reviewed on Slashdot a few months ago.

    1. Re:Dumb, DUMB idea by raytracer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it isn't a dumb idea. It is a very very good idea, and one that carries few risks that aren't risks inherent whenever any citizen works outside the limits their government prescribes for them.

      It isn't hard for to come up with conventional cryptography that is robust against normal attacks. The technology is well understood and can be engineered to be robust against virtually any conventional cryptographic attack. Similarly, steganography is fairly well understood. Even if the government could detect that images or audio files were being used as a covert channel, they would be unable to break the underlying encryption. It would be vastly easier for them to just imprison and torture people into revealing their activities than to assume a technological attack.

      Individuals in these countries are exercising a form of civil disobedience, and it is important that they continue to do so. If oppressive governments are forced to spend all their efforts to detect and eliminate perceived threats, it divides their power and makes it more difficult to hide their clandestine misdeeds.

    2. Re:Dumb, DUMB idea by splorf · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Even if the government could detect that images or audio files were being used as a covert channel, they would be unable to break the underlying encryption. It would be vastly easier for them to just imprison and torture people into revealing their activities than to assume a technological attack.
      That's the point. In order to imprison and torture people you have to know who to imprison and torture (unless you do it to everyone). You torture people if they do things that attract your suspicion. So the idea of steganography is to avoid attracting suspicion. If the opponent figures out you're using it, you are toast.

      Cryptography is broken if the attacker can read a message, but steganography is broken if the attacker can detect the message. The consequences of either type of break are just as bad. So using detectable steganography is as bad as using weak cryptography.

      There are lots of strong cryptography programs like PGP out there, and well-informed users also know that there's a lot of cryptographic snake oil and understand what snake oil is. But many of the same people think they can blatantly mess around with GIF color tables (etc.) and not get noticed. They are wrong and they are asking for trouble. I haven't seen a steganography program yet whose use in messages isn't pretty easy to detect if you know how the program works. Steganography programs are almost all snake oil. I'd want to see very convincing evidence that the Hacktivision program isn't snake oil before letting anyone trust their life to it.

    3. Re:Dumb, DUMB idea by |<amikaze · · Score: 2

      A combination of secure cryptography and steganography is ideal. Cryptographic data should be inheritantly random, and thus, when "they" try to analyze your image to see if there is hidden content, all they will get is random gibberish.

    4. Re:Dumb, DUMB idea by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • I am afraid unless Hacktivismo is really careful and knows what they're doing, their program may get some human rights workers tortured and killed.

      I suspect that it'll actually be repressive regimes that do that, not Hacktivismo. Incidentally, where can we find the steganography tools that you've made publically available?

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  12. This is misleading. by purpledinoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apparently, it will make it easy for persecuted political groups to hide messages in images.

    Why just 'persecuted political groups'? (which I hope isn't another name for a terrorist organization). The article says that it is easy to use. Which means that you and I can communicate with each other securely, with no one eavesdropping. It's neither a good or bad thing, it's a tool. This tool can be used for good and bad.

    I really think that this post was implying that terrorists will take advantage of this tool. Drop this terrorism crap. Terrorists use many other mundane things to cause damage, why not make a big deal about those items too.

    1. Re:This is misleading. by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      Personally, I dont think he was talking about Terrorism. You people gotta get your mind off that shit. Life does not revolve around terrorists.

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    2. Re:This is misleading. by KrancHammer · · Score: 1


      Personally, I dont think he was talking about Terrorism. You people gotta get your mind off that shit. Life does not revolve around terrorists


      No, it just ends with 'em.

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    3. Re:This is misleading. by snake_dad · · Score: 2
      Life does not revolve around terrorists.

      Indeed. It tends to end around them.

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    4. Re:This is misleading. by AftanGustur · · Score: 2

      Why just 'persecuted political groups'? (which I hope isn't another name for a terrorist organization).

      Sigh, you are American, right ?
      *Everybody* is either a a terorrist or supporting terrorism !!!!!! Get this into your head !!! It only depends on from which side you are looking.

      Do you think that Afghans who lost their relatives to American cluster bombing think you are not supporting terrorism if you supported the Afghan war ???

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    5. Re:This is misleading. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they always leave out is that their relative was a militant taliban fighter...

    6. Re:This is misleading. by TWR · · Score: 2
      Sigh, you are Idiot, right? Terrorism has nothing to do with what "side" you are on. That's the typical moral relativist crap that people use to avoid making moral judgements that might mean they'd have to commit to taking a side.

      Let me repeat this for the billionth time:

      TERRORISTS INTENTIONALLY ATTACK CIVILIAN TARGETS TO ADVANCE A POLITICAL AGENDA.

      Americans weren't targeting civilians on purpose in Afghanistan. If they were, a few nukes would have solved any problem with bin Laden real quick, and the collateral damage wouldn't have mattered. But since it DOES matter, the US has been doing things the hard way.

      Notice that the US apologized for attacking a wedding by accident (the funny thing is that no one can find the graves for the 40 people supposedly killed in the attack. A two day search turned up only 5 graves), even though the people were firing weapons (and possibly an anti-aircraft gun) in the air in the middle of a war zone. See, that's because the US is the good guys and regrets killing innocents. I don't remember the al Qaeda apology for killing 3,000 Americans with those airliners. Do you?

      -jon

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      Remember Amalek.

    7. Re:This is misleading. by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      Sigh, you are American, right ?

      Please don't insult me. I am Canadian. I was just pointing out that this article seemed to be imply terrorists will take advantage of this. And I don't think that it was appropriate that this article paint stenography this way. I mean, what other 'persecuted political groups' would possibly have a use for this? Those small communist parties that run for election every cycle?

      I'm not saying stenography is bad because terrorists will use this. I'm saying we shouldn't relate EVERYTHING with terrorism. It's the buzz word of the new millenium. Just like how 'communist' was back after the second cold war.

    8. Re:This is misleading. by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      I meant second world war... whoops!

    9. Re:This is misleading. by rtechie · · Score: 1
      Sigh, you are Idiot, right? Terrorism has nothing to do with what "side" you are on. That's the typical moral relativist crap that people use to avoid making moral judgements that might mean they'd have to commit to taking a side.
      Let me repeat this for the billionth time:

      TERRORISTS INTENTIONALLY ATTACK CIVILIAN TARGETS TO ADVANCE A POLITICAL AGENDA.

      Americans weren't targeting civilians on purpose in Afghanistan. If they were, a few nukes would have solved any problem with bin Laden real quick, and the collateral damage wouldn't have mattered. But since it DOES matter, the US has been doing things the hard way.
      And I'll repeat this for the billionth time:

      THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY INTENTIONALLY ATTACK CIVILIAN TARGETS TO ADVANCE A POLITICAL AGENDA.

      Examples are too numerous to mention but include knocking out power plants, industrial facilities of all kinds, hospitals, tv and radio stations, etc. These were all targets attacked in Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan, etc. The politcal purposes were slightly different each time, but the overall message was the same "Do what we say, or else!"

      The US military doesn't engage in wholesale slaughter of civilians not because it wouldn't be effective (killing all the Iraqis would definitely destroy Saddam Hussien's ability to cause trouble in the region) but because it would be very bad publicity and would anger the US's allies. Think what would happen if we nuked Iraq? The Egyptians, Saudis, etc. might be our allies but if we started slaughtering Arabs en mass, ANY Arabs, they would turn on us ultra-fast.

      The US might be powerful, but it's power isn't infinite. The US can't fight the whole world, and part of that means that the US has to at least try to appear to be "the good guys" in every conflict, thay way they can act with international support, or at least, indifference. The fact that the US has been doing a great job at propoganda lately helps (the masterful way they controlled the press in Afghanistan, for example).

      For the nasty stuff (mass murder, torture, etc.), the US prefers to use proxies so they don't suffer the direct PR fallout. In the recent Afghan conflict, most of the serious "ground work" was/is done by the "Northern Alliance" who is utterly ruthless at killing, torturing, etc. their enemies and their families. But you don't here much about this on CNN.

      Terrorism = War

      And in any modern war it's bloody, and messy, and lots of civilians get hurt.

    10. Re:This is misleading. by TWR · · Score: 2
      Blah, blah, blah.

      The US doesn't target hospitals in war. Saddam and Slobo, however, liked to put military instalations in civilian locations. That's a violation of the Geneva conventions, but brainwashed idjits like you don't want to call them on it. To you, the US is the root of all evil.

      The US could easily kill virtually the entire population of the Arab world in about a half-hour. Why doesn't it, if it's as evil as you think?

      Terrorism only equals war to a coward. And civilians are killed at a lower rate in modern war.

      -jon

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      Remember Amalek.

    11. Re:This is misleading. by AftanGustur · · Score: 1
      TERRORISTS INTENTIONALLY ATTACK CIVILIAN TARGETS TO ADVANCE A POLITICAL AGENDA.

      Yes, ? And are you claiming that there is *ANY* army on this planet that doesn't attack civilian targets in times of war ?? Please, name one !!
      A HUMAN army, please, no jokes about ants please.

      Americans weren't targeting civilians on purpose in Afghanistan.

      This is a almost meaningless statement. They surely "targeted" and their "targets" were purely "civilians" and they surely had a good "purpose" for dropping them bombs.. What are you trying to claim ? That it's OK to target civilians as long as you *think* that there just might be one terrorist in the group ??

      And how is that diferent from killing 3000 people if you *whink* that there might be 1 soldier in the group.

      Sigh, you are Idiot, right? Terrorism has nothing to do with what "side" you are on. That's the typical moral relativist crap that people use to avoid making moral judgements that might mean they'd have to commit to taking a side.

      What a load of American propaganda CRAP !!!
      I do take sides, and my side is againts all those that kill civilians.
      There realy is no justification in killing civilians, and specially not when you use weapons that you drop from 30000 feet and have no way of differenting between people when they explode.
      That's just cowardess..

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    12. Re:This is misleading. by TWR · · Score: 2
      Look, you're a rabid, lying troll. Give a single support for any of the wild claims you have made.

      If you are incapable of telling the difference between thugs and defending yourself from thugs, then I pity you. You've probably been ruined by some teacher or professor and you're too weak-minded to think for yourself and realize their foolishness.

      -jon

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      Remember Amalek.

    13. Re:This is misleading. by AftanGustur · · Score: 2
      Look, you're a rabid, lying troll. Give a single support for any of the wild claims you have made.

      Tsk, tsk .. ;-)
      Let's scroll back 1 post .. It looks like *you* were the one who was making the claims, and I was calling you on them ..

      On the topic that everybody is a terrorist, depending from which side you are looking You wrote:
      TERRORISTS INTENTIONALLY ATTACK CIVILIAN TARGETS TO ADVANCE A POLITICAL AGENDA
      And I replied (and asked for some examples):
      Yes, ? And are you claiming that there is *ANY* army on this planet that doesn't attack civilian targets in times of war ?? Please, name one !!

      Take the american army operations in Yugoslavi for example. And watch the Americans do it again in Iraq, any time now. But since it looks like you didn't understand my argument, I'l rephrase it: "If all of group (G) does X, you can't claim that doing X makes you a T without applying the definition to all of G)."

      You also made the (unsupported) claim:
      Americans weren't targeting civilians on purpose in Afghanistan
      And I replied:
      This is a almost meaningless statement. They surely "targeted" and their "targets" were purely "civilians" and they surely had a good "purpose" for dropping them bombs.. What are you trying to claim ?

      If you are incapable of telling the difference between thugs and defending yourself from thugs, then I pity you.

      And where does this fit into the discussion ?? For Al-Qaida the Americans are the 'thugs', right ? I realy, realy don't understand what you are trying to explain.

      You've probably been ruined by some teacher or professor and you're too weak-minded to think for yourself and realize their foolishness

      I regularly look over my belives and 'truths', so I welcome any logical arguments that you mights have, but so far you have just whined and tried (without success) to attack everything else except my statements.

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    14. Re:This is misleading. by TWR · · Score: 2
      The American army (really, the American Air Force) didn't attack civilian targets in Serbia that weren't part of the war effort. Taking out communication and transportation is a common tactic, because those are DUAL-PURPOSE. Food supplies and office buildings weren't targeted. When bombs went astray, the US actually APOLOGIZED, as it did in Afghanistan. I'm sure you didn't notice from within your spasms of anti-American hate.

      And it is a war crime to place military facilities in civilian locations. That's what Iraq does, and that's what the Taliban did. Heck, the Taliban was abusing Red Cross facilities, stealing supplies and storing weapons there. They also stored weapons in Mosques. What great men you defend.

      Al-Qaeda is, quite simply, insane. They want to establish a world-wide Islamic caliphate, presumably with bin Laden as the Caliph. They are mad that Saudi Arabia asked US troops to defend it against Iraq. They are mad that the British and French carved up the Ottoman Empire. They are mad that Ferdinand and Isabella defeated the Moors in Spain in freaking 1492. All of these complaints have NOTHING to do with the US. But the US is the target, because it's the lynchpin of the modern world.

      So, if you're ready to worship bin Laden, you keep rooting for al Qaeda. I'm hoping those fucks are exterminated soon. Let's call it a difference of opinion.

      -jon

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      Remember Amalek.

    15. Re:This is misleading. by AftanGustur · · Score: 2
      The American army (really, the American Air Force) didn't attack civilian targets in Serbia that weren't part of the war effort.

      Of course, by definition, everything that is blown up, is a part of the "war effort". It wouldn't be blown up otherwise. You have a talent of making silly definitions.

      The US, went after almost anything that could be defined as even remotely political, and boombed it. That included all and every property that was owned by Slobodan's supporters. That's how war works.

      And it is a war crime to place military facilities in civilian locations.

      I often think about why the American governament offices are found in the same buildings as nurseries etc ... (remember the Oklahoma bombing ?)

      Al-Qaeda is, quite simply, insane. They want to establish a world-wide Islamic caliphate, presumably with bin Laden as the Caliph.

      You shouldn't belive everything that the US propaganda-machine spits out. Bin Laden and supporters want to make Islamic states more fundamental, and they don't want the western world to be in their way. They have no interest in making your country Islamic.

      They are mad that Saudi Arabia asked US troops to defend it against Iraq.

      True. Well, they are mad because the US did it.

      They are mad that the British and French carved up the Ottoman Empire.

      True.

      All of these complaints have NOTHING to do with the US. But the US is the target, because it's the lynchpin of the modern world

      Well, you forgot:

      They are mad because of the thousands of islamic people killed by the American army in Iraq.

      They are mad because of the sufferings of the Iraqian people by US imposed sanctions.

      They are mad because of endless unilateral US support for Israel.

      They are mad because of how Israel was created by the US (and UK).

      They are mad because of how the US protects the governments in Saudi and Kuwait against it's own people, and prevents those countries from changing.

      They are mad because of how the US has financed wars (Iran/Iraq for example).

      So, if you're ready to worship bin Laden, you keep rooting for al Qaeda. I'm hoping those fucks are exterminated soon. Let's call it a difference of opinion.

      And then what ?? Do you cincerely belive that if you could press a button and kill all of AlQaida today, that America's problems would go away ??

      The 9/11 attack was a *revenge* attack, not *first blod* as certain people would like you to belive. (and indeed many Americans belive so)

      And no, I am not worshipping Bin Laden, just because I see his point doe not mean that I agree with him on how to correct the problems.

      --
      echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
    16. Re:This is misleading. by TWR · · Score: 2
      Ah, good. Now that I know you're a loony, this makes it much easier.

      Anyone who equates putting anti-aircraft guns on the roofs of apartment buildings and chemical weapon factories in hospitals with putting nurseries in a building that manages Social Security paperwork is a loony.

      Anyone who can ignore the hundreds of thousands killed in the inter-Muslim wars (Iran/Iraq, Iraq/Kuwait, Lebanon, Syria against its own population) and be mad that the US drove Iraqis out of Kuwait under a UN mandate with Arab countries as allies is a loony.

      Anyone who think that the US is responsible for "suffering" from sanctions is a loony. Why aren't the Kurds suffering in their autonomous regions, given that they're under the same sanctions? Where is Saddam getting the money to give to the families of Palestinian Islamikazies? Maybe, just maybe, Saddam is starving his own people on purpose, and idiots like you are too stupid to figure this out.

      The US' "unilateral support" argument is a canard. There was a great article on the history of US-Israeli relations in the Economist (a magazine noted for its anti-Israel bias). A hate-monger like you won't bother to read it, but anyone else can find it at: http://www.dean.usma.edu/socs/ir/ss307/readings/ne gotiations%20exercise/the%20unblessed%20peacemaker .htm

      The US and UK didn't create Israel. This is more loony speak. The UN did. Sorry to burst your crazy bubble,but I'm sure facts just bounce off of it.

      Protecting the Saudis and the Kuwaitis is now grounds for killing office workers in New York. The view into your loony world is amazing.

      And why is a loony like you mad at the US for the war between Iran and Iraq? Didn't the USSR, France, England, and a host of other countries supply weapons to both sides? More crazy excuses from a hate monger.

      America's problems with terrorists aren't limited to Al Qeada. They're caused by a backwards, hate-filled culture that doesn't want to own up to its own faults and would rather blame everything on the magic bogeymen of Jews and America. There was a fascinating report put together by Arab intellectuals this week that pointed out that Spain translates more books in a year than the entire Arab world has translated in the last 1,000 years. 65 million Arabs out of 280 million are illiterate. There isn't a single Arab democracy. This is a damaged society that wants to pull the rest of the world down to its level rather than improve itself. When Arabs start trying to fix their own problems, America's problem with terrorism will subside.

      Now go off to your cave, beat a woman, and blame Jews for your miserable lot in life.

      -jon

      --

      Remember Amalek.

    17. Re:This is misleading. by AftanGustur · · Score: 2
      Ah, good. Now that I know you're a loony, this makes it much easier.

      ? makes what easier ?? I sincerely hope that you haven't been losing sleep or felt depressed because of our little discussion here ?

      Anyone who .. bla bla bla .. is a loony

      Anyone who .. bla bla bla .. is a loony

      Anyone who think that the US is responsible for "suffering" from sanctions is a loony.

      Please. I see you are becoming desperate .. but I will still try to discute with you..
      Iraq's neighbours, and Iraq's history of war with them, do not allow Iraq to just turn it's army into boyscouts. Iraq, just like Iran and the USA *needs* an army to protect it's interests. You can't realisticly expect them to stop running their army and stop buying and developing weapons.
      It's not Disneyland out there.

      So when the US imposed sanctions just allow Iraq to sell enough oil to feed it's population, the population will starve. That's reality. Expecting anything else is just beliving in spiritual pipedreams.

      I'd realy like to read the article you gave the link to but I can't seem to get it to work. Could you please either repost it or send it to "agust @ BioDef. org" ? Thanks. We could also take the discussion to email if you feel like continuing it.

      The US and UK didn't create Israel. This is more loony speak. The UN did. Sorry to burst your crazy bubble,but I'm sure facts just bounce off of it.

      You should take some anger-management classes, it might help you.
      UN, had just been founded and was a great too for those who won WWII to implement their ideas about the world in the name of "everybody". Saying that "UN did it" is like saying "the computer did it". It's just a tool. And at the time it were the UK and USA who called the shots.
      And don't forget that the land where Israel is now, was a political part of UK at the time.

      Protecting the Saudis and the Kuwaitis is now grounds for killing office workers in New York.

      Welcome to reality. Well, it wasn't exactly that the US was protecting "the Saudis" and "the Kuwaitis", but more *which* Saudis and Kuwaitis they were protecting (the families who control) If only the US would realise what effects their war efforts are having in far-away countries.

      The view into your loony world is amazing.

      Unless you are some kind of a spirit or ghost, it's your world also. No wait a minute.. You actually think that I agree with those terrorist attacks ??????? What on earth gave you that idea ?? I'm explaning *why* things did happen. And although I can see the other side of the coin, I don't agree with all of it. And I absolutely don't agree with killing civilians, although I can understand *why* they are the targets.

      And why is a loony like you mad at the US for the war between Iran and Iraq? Didn't the USSR, France, England, and a host of other countries supply weapons to both sides? More crazy excuses from a hate monger.

      Ahh, yes clearly you think that by showing you a different view I was agreeing with that view. Ahh no. I am simply showing that the US is not doing the right things to let this particular problem go away. The deep hate against the USA.

      And although I hold no such deep hate I can see why the US are doing things like they do. (Economical interests) But I don't agree with what they are doing.
      Back to your "arguments", your arguments aren't even arguments. You can't justify a bad deed by saying "everybody does it". That is exactly what is putting many American companies into hot accounting-water right now. (and propably some people in jail).

      There isn't a single Arab democracy. This is a damaged society that wants to pull the rest of the world down to its level rather than improve itself. When Arabs start trying to fix their own problems, America's problem with terrorism will subside.

      You are starting to see the light here. As well as some US officials are starting to see the light. The US could have changed the above problems you mention, a long time ago instead of supporting sheiks and oil barons. All in the name of cheap oil. And it's paying off real cool, now that the arab population is all up in arms against America, but the oil countries are to afraid to use the oil as a political negotiation tool against America. Because, after all, it is America who has hept them in power. (and likely will keep them in power)

      It is in America's best interest to keep the arab countries up in arms against each other and to keep the dictators in power (at least until they start turning agains America).

      And that is the thing that has to change, I think that if anything positive can come out of the 11th sept attacks, it will be changing what is in USA's best interests !

      Please post the URL again, I'm always interested in reading well reasoned articles.

      -RE

      --
      echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
  13. Hiding Essays and Exams in Prono by RebelTycoon · · Score: 2, Funny
    To keep essays from being harvested and parsed into massive validation databases.

    Sites such as the Internet Paper Mill and Term Papers will start to have to list EssayWritingChicks.com

    Now we should be able to hide from these guys.
    Plagiarism.com
    Plagiarism.org
    Wordcheck
    Integriguard
    Eve

  14. Bert and Osama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Make there was actually some meaning to the picture of Bert appearing next to Osama in poster. A hidden stenograph message perhaps?

    I always thought Bert was there just because Bert always looked like he had a lot of anger inside him. Kind of like Osama.

  15. Yay.. by iONiUM · · Score: 0, Troll

    Now I can hide messages in my porn.

    1. Re:Yay.. by Hassan79 · · Score: 1

      You can hide your messages in spam, too.

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      Don't drink and su! antidisestablishmentariazationally
  16. Practical utility of steganography? by vkg · · Score: 2

    Certainly a nice toy, yeah, much like any other stego app.

    But, what's the practical application? Surely traffic analysis makes stuff like this pretty lame for routine use? Yes, you can hide one message, or a few, but how do you have a conversation using this kind of technology and not stick out for emailing huge JPEGs back and forth?

    What do you do? Have a competition to photoshop images? Run a porn site?

    I'm just not convinced this is the way to go for real applications.

    1. Re:Practical utility of steganography? by gfilion · · Score: 1

      But, what's the practical application? Surely traffic analysis makes stuff like this pretty lame for routine use? Yes, you can hide one message, or a few, but how do you have a conversation using this kind of technology and not stick out for emailing huge JPEGs back and forth? What do you do? Have a competition to photoshop images? Run a porn site?

      Simple, post a pr0n picture (with hidden message) to usenet and put a subject like "Any1 have more pictures of her!", your correspondant gets the message, make another pr0n picture (with hidden response) and post it to usenet with subject "Requested: a picture of that chix, request more" and so on.

      I see it everyday on pr0n newsgroups, err, no that I go there everyday, but errr, well gotta go!

    2. Re:Practical utility of steganography? by RKloti · · Score: 1

      Why not just use a webcam as a medium?

    3. Re:Practical utility of steganography? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This pr0n scenario isn't viable in many dictatorships where it's judged to be "anti-Islamic" or whatever. Also it would be something of a pain to have to get a load of pictures of the same subject together every time you needed to correspond.

      Mr. AC

  17. IE Only by jimson · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, does it seem strange that such a tool would only be available for IE 5.5+ on the windows platform?

  18. Interesting by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

    Is this anything like that episode of the X-Files where the code for a kill switch was interlaced into the data on a CD-ROM's audio track? It'd be kinda cool to do that ... Of course, there was also that Along came a Spider movie, where they were sending msn-style messages using this sort of technology ... that would also be kinda neat ... (Or did I miss something? Is this about encoding the message into an image, then using the original image to "subtract" and see the message?)

    1. Re:Interesting by showboat · · Score: 1
      Is this about encoding the message into an image, then using the original image to "subtract" and see the message?

      That's not stego at all. Here's an article to explain it.

    2. Re:Interesting by Matthaeus · · Score: 1

      That's more or less a one-time pad. Not a very good one, unless your "pad" image is random noise, but a one-time pad nonetheless.

  19. "Persecuted Politcal groups"? by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

    You know, in some circles (especially Middle Eastern), groups such as Al Qaida, Islamic Jihad and Hamas are considered "persecuted political gruops". Please, be honest with yourselves, people. That's like saying that the sole and most widespread use of P2P file trading software is for trading of Free, copylefted media.

    --

    "I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." - George Bush
  20. Re:Is this important news by Verizon+Guy · · Score: 1

    Funny, a Howard Stern fan called CNN pretending to be a witness... said that "an overweight white man with a ponytail" (a la Jackie the Jokeman Martling) "started screaming, 'He took my job! Artie took my job! Artie Lange took my job on the Howard Stern show!'" The CNN reporter was clueless until her producer buzzed her in the ear and told her that it was a crank call. Captain Janks used to be the best at this.

    --

    Aw, fuck it. Let's go bowling. - The Big Lebowski

  21. Meanwhile back at MI5 research park . . . . . . . by Aliks · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bond Good afternoon Q, what have you got for me today?

    Q Ok pay attention Bond there have been some developments in secret codes since you last came through. I'd like to tell you about our latest wheeze for getting messages back to HQ by e-mailing pictures of Anna Kournikova.

    Bond You mean the tennis player named after an Internet virus?

    Q The very same. What you need to do is put your message into a very small dot, a micro dot in fact . .

    Bond And stick the dot onto a Kournikova photo?

    Q Exactly.

    Bond Why Kournikova? apart from the obvious?

    Q Well that's the devilish part. You see noone will suspect that the picture is anything other than a virus so it will be blocked and deleted.

    Bond While all your team will have the perfect excuse to examine Kourno pictures in extreme detail. Now that is devilish cunning. Who invented this stuff?

    Q Ah well they used to call themselves the Cult of the Dead Cow but its really a SMERSH front

    Bond I see . . . . . .

  22. Hey jackass... by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1
    Did you bother to read the title of the article?
    Hacktivismo to Release Steganography Tool
    Please feel free to point out the part where they replace the word "Steganography" with "Encryption".
    --

    "I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." - George Bush
    1. Re:Hey jackass... by PacoTaco · · Score: 2
      Did you bother to read more than just the title? :)

      From the article:

      Hacktivismo says Camera/Shy will also use encryption, suggesting keys will be needed to reveal secret information in full.

  23. Palestinian, Taliban, Pakistan, Libyan by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Troll

    They're all the fucking same. One root cause. islam.

    It is islam which compels these wretched man-beasts to commit acts of terror. Devoid of any form of rational humanity, they lurch forth from their filthy caves in order to bring as much destruction and desolation as they can onto the civilized world.

    I really hope, in fact I'm putting $50 on the line right now, that some brave True American Hero reads this message with the understanding that they have the RIGHT to take their guns outside and shoot as many subhuman ragheaded vermin as possible.

    There's $50 in it for you if you do, gentle reader. I'll be waiting.

    --
    "Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
    1. Re:Palestinian, Taliban, Pakistan, Libyan by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      Aawww, your brainless rage is cute. Its almost worth me offering 100$ to somebody to go out, find you, lock you up so I can put you in a cage and parade you around my neighbourhood on a leash.

      I promise to say lots of nice things about islam so you get to spew your rhetoric all the time like I know you wanna. (Otherwise, when this all dies down, youll be bored from not getting to be so hateful and racist, a concern I know you have.) :)

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
    2. Re:Palestinian, Taliban, Pakistan, Libyan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a fool judges by the group in such matters. Christianity is not all saints - the Crusaders murdered innocent people and prisoners, while Saladin was a much more compassionate ruler.
      If anyone is a subhuman, I must say it would be you for saying such things. The vast majority of humans (including Muslims) are not evil people. And those who are should be pitied, not slain.

    3. Re:Palestinian, Taliban, Pakistan, Libyan by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      lock you up so I can put you in a cage and parade you around my neighbourhood on a leash.

      Actually, could I fork out the $100 myself? That sounds fun!

      --
      "Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
    4. Re:Palestinian, Taliban, Pakistan, Libyan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The root causes are ignorance, fear and pride by both isarelis and palestinians. They are both as children, waiting for the world to take them aside and spank them.

    5. Re:Palestinian, Taliban, Pakistan, Libyan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL a truer assessment of the middle east situation i have not seen.

    6. Re:Palestinian, Taliban, Pakistan, Libyan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, you're not a very good troll.

    7. Re:Palestinian, Taliban, Pakistan, Libyan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not animals? Judge for yourself.

      http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/07/04/paki st an.rape.ap/index.html

  24. Re:Is this important news by gfilion · · Score: 1

    He he he, I'm not surprised. Those guys at Radio-Canada tend to watch CNN and repeat what they hear. Talk about true journalism.

  25. You're absolutely right! by brooks_talley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're absolutely right. I find it dispicable that people would release programs that terrorists could possibly use, with the weak excuse that there might be other legitimate uses! I mean, if we got rid of Steganography, PGP, Linux, MS Word, AutoCAD, MS Project, Bablefish, Oracle, OpenOffice, Squid, Rogue Spear, Mathmatica, Apache, Cu-Seeme, and KSH... why, the world would surely be a safer place!

    Cheers
    -b

    1. Re:You're absolutely right! by Smitedogg · · Score: 1

      Not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying with Ol' Bushie in office and everyone running around screaming about terrorists-this and terrorists-that you have to be careful; so why not just say your product helps 'oppressed people' and prempt anyone screaming "Terrorists can use that!"? Harms no one, but fools the jingos into thinking things like "Kurds and Chinese Christians can now tell the world their stories", which keeps the heat off us. Hell, we've lost enough rights already thanks to the Patriot Act, why put ourselves at risk more?

    2. Re:You're absolutely right! by puckhead · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hell, we've lost enough rights already thanks to the Patriot Act.

      What rights have you lost under the patriot act?

      --
      Watching Cowboy Bebop in my jammies, eating a bowl of Shreddies.
    3. Re:You're absolutely right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attourney/client privilege, for one.

    4. Re:You're absolutely right! by teslatug · · Score: 2, Insightful
      There should be some limits though, by analogy:
      I mean, if we got rid of nuclear weapons, long range missiles, tanks, rifles, pistols, knives, spoons, tooth-picks, napkins... why, the world would surely be a safer place!

      Just an exageration meant to show that your argument does not necessarily hold. You can get rid of some things for the greater good, without infringing on regular people's rights. You don't always have to go by precedent, you can judge actions on their own merit.
    5. Re:You're absolutely right! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Due process, for another one.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    6. Re:You're absolutely right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
      There's a fairly comprehensive list here.

      In summary:

      • Silencing Political Dissent
        Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act creates a federal crime of "domestic terrorism" that broadly extends to "acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws" if they "appear to be intended...to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion," and if they "occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."

        Read: Politicial protestors who block traffic are terrorists.

      • Enhanced Surveillance Powers
        By and large, Congress granted the Administration its longstanding wish list of enhanced surveillance tools, coupled with the ability to use these tools with only minimal judicial and Congressional oversight. In its rush to pass an anti-terrorism bill, Congress failed to exact in exchange a showing that these highly intrusive new tools are actually needed to combat terrorism and that the Administration can be trusted not to abuse them.

        Read: Now we can spy on our citizens with minimal accountability.

      • Sneak and Peek Searches
        Section 213 of the Act authorizes federal agents to conduct "sneak and peek searches," or covert searches of a person's home or office that are conducted without notifying the person of the execution [within a "reasonable period", ie 90 days] of the search warrant until after the search has been completed.

        Read: Oh, by the way, we searched your apartment a few months ago while you and your family were at work/school. We were just checking to see if you were terrorists, but you werent! Just thought you would wanted to know. By the way those tapes of you and your wife were very kinky.

      • Access to Records in International Investigations
        Under Section 215, the Director of the FBI or a designee as low in rank as an Assistant Special Agent in Charge may apply for a court order requiring the production of "any tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and other items)" upon his written statement that these items are being sought for an investigation "to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities."

        Read: Sorry we had to take all of your computer equipment; we just wanted to see if you were a terrorist. After scanning everything, we've decided that you're not. But don't worry... you'll get all of it back after all the red tape clears, in about 12-18 months.

      • Tracking Internet Usage
        Under Section 216 of the Act, courts are required to order the installation of a pen register and a trap and trace device31 to track both telephone and Internet "dialing, routing, addressing and signaling information"32 anywhere within the United States when a government attorney has certified that the information to be obtained is "relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation."

        Read: Oh, we found out that one of your neighbors is smoking pot, so we had to spy on everyone in the apartment complex for a few years to make sure nobody else was working in connection with this "terrorist".

      • Allowing Law Enforcement Agencies to Evade the Fourth Amendment's Probable Cause Requirement
        Perhaps the most radical provision of the USA PATRIOT Act is Section 218, which amends FISA's wiretap and physical search provisions. Under FISA, court orders permitting the executive to conduct surreptitious foreign intelligence wiretaps and physical searches may be obtained without the showing of probable cause required for wiretaps and physical searches in criminal investigations.

        Read: We don't need the 4th amendment anymore.

      • Sharing of Sensitive Criminal and Foreign Intelligence Information
        While some additional sharing of information between agencies is undoubtedly appropriate given the nature of the terrorist threats we face, the Act fails to protect us from the dangers posed to our political freedoms and our privacy when sensitive personal information is widely shared without court supervision.

        Read: Political dissidents (now called "benign domestic terrorists" by the media) have no rights to privacy.

      • Stripping Immigrants of Constitutional Protections
        The USA PATRIOT Act deprives immigrants of their due process and First Amendment rights through two mechanisms that operate in tandem. First, Section 411 vastly expands the class of immigrants who are subject to removal on terrorism grounds through its broad definitions of the terms "terrorist activity," "engage in terrorist activity," and "terrorist organization." Second, Section 412 vastly expands the authority of the Attorney General to place immigrants he suspects are engaged in terrorist activities in detention while their removal proceedings are pending.

        Read: If you've ever even send medical supplies or a care package to an innocent citizen in a middle eastern country while islamic extremists were in power, you and your family will be immediately jailed without explanation upon trying to immigrate to the USA.

      So basically, if you don't particularly want the rights given to you by the First and Fourth Amendments to the Constitution, then the Patriot Act is a Good Thing(TM)(R)(C)

    7. Re:You're absolutely right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was a privilege, not a right. (hence the name)

    8. Re:You're absolutely right! by brooks_talley · · Score: 2

      Sure -- just like "you can take away bombs, guns, knives, box cutters, nail clippers, and toothpicks... and air travel would be so much safer" is a flawed analogy. Oh, wait, terrorist types have shown a shocking disregard for the principle of using obviously dangerous tools.

      Sure, some things are more dangerous or prone to dangerous use than others, but fact is, if someone's really looking to do evil shit, they will find a way to use a spoon if they have to. If "outlawing any implement that could possibly be used for evil" is the philosophy, you have to outlaw everything from nuclear bombs to napkins. Pure and simple.

      That was my point, and I'll stick by it.

      Cheers
      -b

    9. Re:You're absolutely right! by sylvester · · Score: 1

      Read: Political dissidents (now called "benign domestic terrorists" by the media) have no rights to privacy.

      really?

      It's too bad that one little thing makes me wonder about the truth of the whole post.

    10. Re:You're absolutely right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know you could get rid of the whole list by just listing one piece of software. Ypu you got it - Micro$haft Windoze

    11. Re:You're absolutely right! by mithras+the+prophet · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we'd be much safer if automatic weapons and concealed handguns were allowed on flights. They're gonna do something anyway, so why not just make it easier for them??? What is your point here?

      Obviously some committed and devious people may be able to circumvent most security measures. But I guarantee that for every one of those, there are six other less clever, less determined people who will commit violence if they can manage it, and won't if they can't.

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    12. Re:You're absolutely right! by TWR · · Score: 2
      Read: Politicial protestors who block traffic are terrorists.

      No, but running them down with my car shouldn't be a crime.

      Seriously, blocking ambulances or emergency vehicles are "acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws". Do so, and I hope you get a nice long jail term.

      Section 213 of the Act authorizes federal agents to conduct "sneak and peek searches," or covert searches of a person's home or office that are conducted without notifying the person of the execution [within a "reasonable period", ie 90 days] of the search warrant until after the search has been completed.

      Right. Because if you TOLD criminals you were going to search their places ahead of time, they'd do NOTHING to remove evidence.

      I'm not going to bother with the rest of your paranoia, because it mostly comes down to "Republicans are evil incarnate, and can't be trusted like those oppressive regimes that I love."

      -jon

      --

      Remember Amalek.

  26. Don't use this with E-mail by DeadVulcan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some people are talking about traffic analysis, but it seems to me that the best way to use this would be to post images on the web (ideally, with no HTML files linking to them).

    In each message, you'd give a URL to the location of your next transmission. Maybe also a date and time period when it will be available.

    And, if you used public web access points like internet cafes to transmit and receive your images, your activity would probably be pretty darned hidden.

    Just a thought off the top of my head.

    --
    Accountability on the heads of the powerful.
    Power in the hands of the accountable.
    1. Re:Don't use this with E-mail by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      You are on the right track but showing up at kinkos to do this will likely get your face on tape.

      To truly be anonymous... find a good open proxy, post it to the web and update your message in your logo pic etc.

      Slashdot could be transmitting information to someone with their masthead daily... I say use fortune to give users a cool msg and viola.

    2. Re:Don't use this with E-mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if this would be a good way to cheat the personals websites, where you can see people's pictures for free, but in order to contact them you have to pay. Just imbed your contact info into your image... I suppose it wouldn't last long before the sites begin to filter images for embedded data...

  27. Shit! This is serious, actually... by ringbarer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    There's another air-related assault in Los Angeles. abcnews.com are reporting that a plane's deliberately crashed into an LA suburb.

    More islamic terror. You'd think they'd have some imagination, wouldn't you?

    No, wait. Imagination, Creativity, Free Will. These are all PROHIBITED in the name of *spit* allah.

    --
    "Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
  28. oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cult of the Dead Cow cooperate with the FBI. Anyone who respects these "Pop" hacker groups is probably just a script kiddie or else a gullible pud.

  29. What about Usenet? by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

    I mean, seriously, how carefully is Uncle Sam going to keep tabs on alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bin_laden_and_a_goat ?

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  30. Re:Shit! This is serious, actually... by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    > Imagination, Creativity, Free Will.

    If you were capable of using any of those things, you'd probably be talking about other things, rather than using the easiest, most spineless rhetoric americans have been priviledged to in years.

    Wait and find out what has happened, like people capable of using their brains do.

    --
    "Old man yells at systemd"
  31. Falon Gong... by User+956 · · Score: 2, Redundant

    What do they mean by persecuted anyway? One could argue that the Taliban/Al Qaeda are persecuted political groups...

    That's correct, but it could also work for groups like the Falun Gong. The Falun Gong is a religous movement that has suffered much oppression in China.

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    The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
  32. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These popular groups all have a "pro-democracy anti-communist china" message which is of course a message endorsed by the US government. Picking on China is a easy target. Try standing up for something that goes against US interests. These guys are working with US agencies so obviously, give me a freaking break.

  33. The golden touch for publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Man this group sure has the golden touch for getting publicity! They get big important coverage in the New Scientist and Slashdot and they haven't even released anything yet! And even if they do release this tool it sounds just like Steganos which has been around for years.

    Then there's peek-a-booty which was demoed with much fanfare at Codecon but where is it!!!! That was months ago and there is no product we can play with and no source to be seen.

    I'm on side with these guys stated intentions ... I just wish I had there publicity touch.

  34. hahah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't painfully obvious the CIA and FBI have got these high profile groups promoting anti china sentiment in cracker circles after the scare of a china "hacker attack". This is just so cheesy. Come on Uncle Sam you might trick the scriptoids but the people you should really be worrying about will never buy this nonesense. Better luck next time.

  35. LSB Steganographic Techniques = Easy Detection by DigitalDaedalus · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to their press release they use "LSB steganographic techniques".
    In the stego world this is roughly equivalent to using ROT13. If you try and hide any sizeable amount it's a joke to detect. There are many better methods- F5, SSIS, etc...

    1. Re:LSB Steganographic Techniques = Easy Detection by grouchyDude · · Score: 1

      I used this kind of steganography as an undergrad (intro) computing assignment. It's so easy hat a press release on the subject is laughable. It's so weak as a cryptographic protocol that it's a joke. ... uh, sorry, Mr. terrorist.. I meant it's very secure and *you* should really use it.

    2. Re:LSB Steganographic Techniques = Easy Detection by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • In the stego world this is roughly equivalent to using ROT13

      Damn. Oh well, I guess I'll just use the tool you released. Where can I get it?

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    3. Re:LSB Steganographic Techniques = Easy Detection by chascarrillo · · Score: 1
      N: The Chevy Nova has really poor positioning of the gas tank - it's liable to blow up on you. It's unsafe at any speed!

      R: Yeah, well, where can I buy the car you made?

      N: This hamburger has e. coli in it. It's dangerous to eat - it could kill you.

      R: Yeah, well, where can I buy the burger you made?

      N: This baby stroller is unsafe. Kids are liable to slip down in the seat and strangle themselves.

      R: Yeah, well, where can I buy the baby stroller you made?

  36. Your logic... by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...Is that of a surgeon who, when faced with a filthy black tumor in the otherwise healthy flesh of his patient, decides against cutting the cancer out, but instead offers it pity and reparations.

    Humanity is a living organism. islam is cancer.

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    1. Re:Your logic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Religion is cancer.

      Capitalism is AIDS.

    2. Re:Your logic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are an idiot.

    3. Re:Your logic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Islam's fine. The Taliban aren't. Taliban != Islam.

    4. Re:Your logic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Islam's fine. The Taliban aren't. Taliban != Islam.

      Actually the Taliban are the truest to the actual words in the koran so really they are Islam.

      That is the whole goal of the Taliban is to create the truest Islamic state...

      So actually ya the Taliban == Islam.

      Sorry it's not pretty but that's true Islam.

  37. speaking in secret is not freedom of speech by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 2

    Freedom of speech is being able to go in the center of a public square and say whatever you want. It's being able to put your ideas on the front page of a newspaper or pamphlet and distribute it without fear of persecution.

    That being said, this may be a useful tool for some people, but I doubt it will be undetectable. Steganography is a tough problem. And encryption won't help you if the stego is detected, because the police will just put you in jail until you give them the key, since you must have something to hide when you use encryption...

    1. Re:speaking in secret is not freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet for some reason if you go into a public space and start screaming profanities, people stop you.

      God damn hypocrites.

  38. Civilians Targeted by ringbarer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    L O S A N G E L E S, July 4 -- A small airplane crashed into a Fourth of July crowd at a suburban park, injuring six people, authorities said.

    Two of the injured were in serious condition after the crash at Bonelli Park, said Capt. Brian Jordan, of the Los Angeles County Fire Department.

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  39. Cracker groups shouldn't be taken too seriously. by brain-in-a-box · · Score: 1
    Well steganography is nothing new, frankly it's rather old stuff. Any decent coder could do simple
    steganography stuff. And really attack-safe steganography is beyond the abilities of these guys. Personally I think such groups just create
    some PR-hype to found a little later a "security
    company" and suck money out of clueless customers.
    Just take a look at @Stake formerly l0pht.

    And peek-a-booty ?
    Rather peek-a-vaporware.
    The "Cult of the Dead Cow" should rename itself to "Cult of Microsoft" for their 31337 v4p0rw4r1ng 5|<155.

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  40. Weapon of Choice by mike_lynn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In reading about the software mentioned, I was more impressed with Peek-a-Booty than Camera/Shy. The ability to make use of 'https' connections to not only get access to prohibited/filtered materials but encrypt them as well (with standards currently accepted as 'unsnoopable' by the business community) makes Peek-a-Booty the posterchild for the Right to Learn and Know. I hope it adds in Freedom of Speech by allowing POST/cgi interaction along those connections.

    But that doesn't mean I hate Camera/Shy. It's all about giving people more options to talk to each other. If someone's country has decided to filter what you know, restrict what you say and jail you for just thinking different, I'll give praise to any software, hardware, wetware, lotek or notek method for getting people talking to each other, even if it's just a ROT13 plugin for Eudora.

  41. sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CDC is just sad. They just jump on other peoples bandwagon. Look at all their lame wammering about open source and p2p. These guys a big lamers. I mean come on these guys are only good for writing shitty stego and windows trojans. These guys couldn't even write some shell code to save their ass. Fucking wannabes.

  42. You are the true racist by ringbarer · · Score: 1, Troll

    For you only believe that whites can be racist. Your best friends, Al Qaeda, are a purely racist organisation. They care not for world peace. They only care about the destruction of non-islamics.

    Are you growing your beard nice and long now, in the hope of joining them?

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  43. heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really these guys are just out of work windows programmers. *snicker*

  44. Now that I think about it. by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

    With this tech there is many ways to hide your message.

    Of course e-mail is out. But using a web site and splitting up your message throughout the images would be great.

    Maybe as the images are layed out on the screen, the top one being part one, middle part two and so on.

    A whole site can be used to hide anything from Decss to "anarchy" text files or plans to blow up shit.

    Still, my favorite was the earlier suggested posting pr0n to newsgroups. See, before you "diss" this type of product get creative. The users will, the NSA will....

    1. Re:Now that I think about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could post the images then see what wierd combo of words make them come up in a google images search at what number. Then send an e-mail where the person looks by the date of the message and then finds words in the message corrosponding by date and then search and take them off google and rearrange them in order. I mean you could do all kinds of crazy shit.

  45. there's nothing dishonest about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess what: groups such as Al Qaida, Islamic Jihad and Hamas aren considered "persecuted political groups" EVERYWHERE. The word "persecuted" is not a synonym for "wrongfully persecuted".

  46. LSBs are okay, but text rules by westfirst · · Score: 2

    Hiding information in the least significant bits of images is okay if you keep the bit rate low. If it gets too high, the statistical profiles of the image changes and that can set off detectors.

    I currently like the list of disco songs tool because it doens't have the same statistical problems.

    1. Re:LSBs are okay, but text rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, LSB steganography increases the filesize of any lossy format. A good first-round filter for detecting even moderate bitrate LSB steganography would simply be comparing filesize of original vs after a single pass of minimal optimization.

    2. Re:LSBs are okay, but text rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... that text sorting list would make exchanging mp3 playlists a great way to send messages ;)

    3. Re:LSBs are okay, but text rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use PNG! ... no, wait, that might set off warning bells too as a "strange and unusual filetype we've never seen before" ;)

  47. Does Slashdot endorse religious hate ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Muslim, I feel offended that this hasn't been modded as troll, and that when someone said ringbarer was wrong, ringbarer's reply about "islam is cancer" has a score of 2.

    Of course moderation is meaningless. The important matter is that such views are accepted in the name of free speech, while in most modern countries the incitement to hate is a crime.

    1. Re:Does Slashdot endorse religious hate ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee looked at any muslim countries lately?

      Fix your little hate speech and religious intolerance problems in the muslim world first before you attack other people...

  48. Yes, Slashdot endorses religious hate by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Troll

    Fucking DUH!

    And islam is a hateful religion. I hope you get shot today by one of our many brave white warriors.

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    1. Re:Yes, Slashdot endorses religious hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's obvious you haven't read the Koran. If you read it, you'd know Islam is not the religion that CNN portrays it as...

      It's sad to see such posts really, but after all as Jesus said "Lord forgive them, they don't know what they're doing".

    2. Re:Yes, Slashdot endorses religious hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there weren't many reports about circumcizing women/girls at CNN lately.

    3. Re:Yes, Slashdot endorses religious hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lack of human rights and democracies as well as the massive religious intolerance in the muslim world potrays a worse picture of islam than cnn ever did. Then again if the muslim world itself can't even portray a good image of itself i'm not sure how someone else is supposed to.

    4. Re:Yes, Slashdot endorses religious hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, have you read it? Theres parts in there that you should fight against christians and jews even if they are your brothers.

    5. Re:Yes, Slashdot endorses religious hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well what do you expect from a religion who's so called "prophet" was a slave owner who spend his days killing pagans?

      That's why i find it funny when black people convert to islam becuase they think christianity is some religion of "the man". Ya to bad the first people to raid africa for slaves where the arabs. Then the jews. The christians came later. Actually the christians usually bartered for or bought the slaves from willing sellers...heh...

  49. Re:Your logic... (No, _your_ logic) by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    The whole point is, islam is not a tumour, it is the living body, and the individuals who commit these acts are the tumors. Fine, remove them, charge them, whatever. The point is, dont throw away the body to spite the tumour, a view you seem to endorse.

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  50. when is a terrorist group not a terrorist group? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when its a "persecuted political group".

    Jeez, talk about making thing politically correct. Its funny how people who live in free countries are constantly trying to undermine that freedom. Thats ok, there are people perfectly happy to hang us with our own rope.

  51. Also on The Register by xmedar · · Score: 2, Funny

    here

    Fav quote -

    "If there were no state-sponsored censorship of the Internet, if Cisco et al weren't crack hoes for hire, if there were no democracy activists screaming for help -- hell, we could be off having fun instead of working long hours after our day jobs," Hacktivismo member and occasional Reg contributor Oxblood Ruffin told us

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  52. Don't forget WHY the muslim world is barbaric... by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's ALL AMERICA'S FAULT. No, really. Never ask a muslim to acknowledge his own mistakes. These schoolyard bombing cowards are all the same. They ALL blame other people for their faults.

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  53. GIMP PLugin by BiggyP · · Score: 1

    the moral issue here is rather interesting, if a terrorist organisation were to use the technology would the programmers have a moral responsibilty?

    there's also a rather nice Steganography Plugin for The GIMP.

    1. Re:GIMP PLugin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'd bear the same responsibilty as the Gilette Corp. should bear for 9/11. Imagine, that company made razor blades that were used in box cutters that were used to hijack airliners. I mean, they were selling these razor blades of mass destruction to anyone, in supermarkets, where children could see them. You could buy them in complete anonymity.

      And is anyone calling for the Gilette Corp. to be held accountable for aiding and abetting terrorism? No. And rightfully so.

    2. Re:GIMP PLugin by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      I think it would be analogous to compare it to other encryption, being a way to communicate secretly. Yes, bad people can use it, but that does not make encryption bad. The general good of the people will be served if they can keep what they want to keep private. Just as you wouldn't want anyone looking through your room in your house, you don't want people snooping through information you deem personal.

      I believe that people are born with inalienable rights and one of those rights is privacy. Yes, people will abuse their rights, but for the general good of the people we must uphold those rights. Just as weapons can be used for hunting, they can also be used for killing. Media can be used to spread the word of truth, or it can be used to spread propaganda. I could go on and on but the point is this - creations are not evil, it takes the will of men to make them evil.

  54. One civilian dead in plane attack by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    SAN DIMAS, California (CNN) -- One person died and at least 10 were injured Thursday when a small plane slammed into a suburban Los Angeles park, a local fire official said.

    Six people, including two children, were in critical condition, said Capt. Mark Savage of the Los Angeles County Fire Department.

    Capt. Russ Collins, a spokesman for the San Dimas Police Department, said a call came in at 12:49 p.m. local time (3:49 ET) that a twin-engine plane was down on the east shore on Puddingstone Lake.

    Collins said personnel from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, deputies from the San Dimas sheriff's station, and Los Angeles County Park Police were at the scene.

    The pilot has been identified as one Mohammed Yusuf, who overpowered and stole the plane from a nearby storage yard. It is unclear whether he was acting alone.

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    1. Re:One civilian dead in plane attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atta make up the news, buddy. Glad to see he was able to "overpower" that plane. There is no reference to "The pilot has been identified as one Mohammed Yusuf, who overpowered and stole the plane from a nearby storage yard. It is unclear whether he was acting alone." on CNN.com.

    2. Re:One civilian dead in plane attack by ringbarer · · Score: 1

      They must have edited it since I read the article. Presumably to correct that messy grammar you've highlighted above.

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    3. Re:One civilian dead in plane attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey asshole. What the fuck do all of your meaningless posts have to do with Steganography?
      Will someone please mod this nazi fool to -1 offtopic.

  55. Re:Shit! This is serious, actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your anti-American liberalness has been reported to the Office of Homeland Defence. Please remain where you are, you Terrorist-Loving, anti-American Liberal, and the government will be these shortly to pick you up. Thank you. Have a nice day.

  56. plugging shamelessly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  57. Every coin has two sides... by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Falun Gong is a religous movement that has suffered much oppression in China.

    Of course, one could also argue that Falun Gong is a doomsday cult which preachs racism. I assume that PRC's government believes that, aside from the implications of competing with a powerful organization full of people with martyr complexes, their actions are little different from Germany's treatment of the Church of $cientology and the United States' treatment of Branch Davidians, for example.

  58. Re:Shit! This is serious, actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize under strict islamic regimes listening to funky breakbeats and groovy trance music, or any music for that matter, is punishable with lashings and/or amputations?

    I mean just becuase someone doesn't like america doesn't mean they are good guys.

    I mean the fucking nazis didn't like america either, are you gonna put them up on a pedestal worship them to?

  59. 1000 words by krath · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thought we already knew that a picture tells a 1000 words...

    1. Re:1000 words by Phil+John · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it takes more bandwidth.. ;o)

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  60. He will! by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Troll

    Support for Al Qaeda, such as that bestowed by "Jihad" Johnny Walker stems from a deep seated hatred of America.

    This in turn comes from a deeper, unexpressed hatred by youth of their parents. For a typical whiny, snot-faced angst-ridden rich brat, their parents represent everything that is 'wrong' in America. Tradition, Honor, Optimism, Common Decency.

    Force fed nigger-music by MTV, they find themselves coming to hate the security of their home, something which their parents fought long and hard to maintain.

    What better way to rebel against their parents by rebelling against America? Of course, the muslim vermin makes this easy by perpetually reminding everyone that they are not accountable for their actions because everything in the whole world is America's fault.

    "I live in poor country" - Blame America
    "I've spent all my food money on guns and explosives" - Blame America
    "I'm so ugly I have to wear a shit-face beard" - Blame America
    "I've got a tiny cock because I'm an inbred subhuman freak" - Blame America

    The day islam accepts responsibility for the horrors perpetrated by their staunchest advocates is the day world peace may be a viable goal.

    Until then, we should kill any muslims we see. I ran one over in my car earlier on today.

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    "Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
    1. Re:He will! by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, you cannot distinguish between reationalism and reactionism, which is what makes us so much better than our parents.

      I hate people who kill other people. I do not hate racial groups because a few of them killed people. By this logic, I can kill you, because Timothy McVeigh is an American Amry psycho. Does he represent americans?

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      "Old man yells at systemd"
    2. Re:He will! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well he does represent right-wing militant phsycos so i suppose you can judge other right-wing militant phsychos by his actions...

    3. Re:He will! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Islam isn't a race genius.

  61. here's a thought... by EHUDs_Rhino · · Score: 1

    How about just using Slashdot forums to hide messages cleverly disguised as "fp!" ? Seems to me that no one reads that shit anyway...

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  62. Peek-a-Booty by jafuser · · Score: 2

    I'm figuring that not only will this kind of software allow people to get around censorship, but wouldn't it also create a P2P-style anonymizer? This would pretty much make logging of user activity useless for criminal investigations. Would the "host" of a benevolent node on this network be liable for illegal activity that was routed through hir machine?

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  63. What Janet Reno had to say... by halo8 · · Score: 1

    Then... "Think about the Children!" (i.e. kiddie pr0n)

    now... "Think about the terrorists" (i.e. taking away our rights)

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  64. peek-a-booty != CdC by Max+von+H. · · Score: 2

    From their site:

    The cDc and Peek-A-Booty
    A commonly-perpetuated misconception about this project is that it is run by CULT OF THE DEAD COW (cDc). This is a myth that has been propagating since the projects inception. The Peekabooty project has its own open- source group, entirely separate from the cDc.

    I'm at a loss here...

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    1. Re:peek-a-booty != CdC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is actually not a myth. peekabooty is managed by an individual who used to go by the handle DrunkenMaster and who was a member in the cDc (not CdC). while there were ties both to hacktivismo and to cDc in the beginning, the project is now indepentend. therefore, linking peekabooty to the cDc has a grain of truth in it.
      anyhow, without the link to the cDc, people will probably take the project more serious than they would otherwise.

  65. Why Bother? by balloonhead · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I don't see the point. If I was a terrorist and posted a USENET / slashdot / other pre-arranged forum message with "big day on Sept 11, flying into NY with a few buddies on flight XXX", there is no way that any FBI / CIA / other agency guy would know what it meant if he saw it on Sept 10, even assuming he looked at it.

    There are just too many ways of sending unencrypted / unhidden messages; adding more work just seems like a big hassle for the sender and recipient - as was said after 11/9/01, the reason that messages were not intercepted was because they were low-tech / plain text / whatever. It is quicker and easier to make it innocent-sounding except to those who know already. Any agency screening emails / web pages / whatever would have a lot LESS work to do if it just had an image scanner that decided if there was any potential code, then concentrating on those. As another poster said, checking if a pic does or doesn't have steganography involved is easy (though you then have to decode it) - would it not then be easier to have an image of unencoded text which would be easily readable only if you look at it, on an obscurely titled web page? No automated searcher would be able to read it, no human would ever know where to look unless they alredy knew where it was.

    With email, text messaging, instant messaging, unlimited internet forums, the internet pages themselves, snail mail, telephone, telegraph, morse, hundreds of languages, and god-knows what other methods, there are just too may ways to transmit info to plough through these and find hidden messages.

    I just don't see the point.

    On another note - could terrorist emails be easily intercepted if the volume of traffic was reduced significantly? i.e. if spam was banned?

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    1. Re:Why Bother? by Goonie · · Score: 2
      On another note - could terrorist emails be easily intercepted if the volume of traffic was reduced significantly? i.e. if spam was banned?

      Given that various individuals with bugger-all resources have managed to build reasonably effective spam filters, I'd imagine that the NSA, with decades of experience in filtering wheat from chaff and with huge resources to throw at the problem, are probably very good at filtering out spam from their searches.

      Unless terrorists disguise their messages as spam :)

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      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
      --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
    2. Re:Why Bother? by mpe · · Score: 2

      With email, text messaging, instant messaging, unlimited internet forums, the internet pages themselves, snail mail, telephone, telegraph, morse, hundreds of languages, and god-knows what other methods, there are just too may ways to transmit info to plough through these and find hidden messages.

      Which is why mass interception isn't really very effective. Unless you know where to look in the first place you simply have a large quantity of utterly useless information. Yet after September the 11th there were calls for more automated interception, even when it was revealed that security services in the US lacked people who knew Arabic.

  66. What is steganography? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the article:
    A technology called steganography allows data to be embedded in the digital information comprising an image file. This is accomplished by altering relatively unimportant bits so that the changed image remains identical to the naked eye.

    Oh, it's a special computer technology..
    And here I was, thinking that storing my ATM code under "Rob Malda" in my phonebook was steganography. Doh!

    I hereby convict the author of ignorance, the
    penalty will be to read Simon Singh's "The Code Book",
    and to abstain from writing about cryptography or steganography until he does.

    "BAM!" - Elzar the chef

  67. Great Research by Snaller · · Score: 2

    Timothy writes:
    The group has links to the Cult of the Dead Cow, which is, of course, working on Peek-a-Booty.
    However if you visit the PeekABooty people:

    A commonly-perpetuated misconception about this project is that it is run by CULT OF THE DEAD COW (cDc). This is a myth that has been propagating since the projects inception. The Peekabooty project has its own open-source group, entirely separate from the cDc.
    Oh well ;)

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    1. Re:Great Research by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      What, you expect /. articles to be accurate?

      You're new around here, aren't you! ;-)

  68. Beating "brute force computing power" by Garry+Anderson · · Score: 2

    Quote: "Honeyman says existing steganography cannot be completely undetectable and adds that the key used to hide messages in images can be revealed with brute force computing power."

    Any weakness of steganographic systems can be overcome.

    For example; to beat brute force computing power only requires to have the message as an image of obfuscated text. There are several ways to do this; for one - think red-green colourblind eye test charts. It can also be multi-layered - each with seperate key. This would require manual viewing at every single attempt to crack it. The man hours required are too large to estimate.

    P.S. The United Nations World Intellectual Property Organization and the United States Department are hiding the simple solution to uniquely identify all registered trademarks on the Internet. The answer to this problem has been ratified by honest Lawyers. I believe UN WIPO and US DoC to be corrupt.

    If you have heard of the respected Dr. Milton Mueller, you may be interested in the conclusion of his recent report, Domain Name Trademark Disputes under ICANN's UDRP. My comments and link to it on ICANN forum. His conclusion matches what I told UN WIPO and Nominet UK over a year ago.

    Please visit World Intellectual Piracy Organization - Not associated with visit United Nations World Intellectual Property Organization

  69. Correction; and re: everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cDc/Hactivismo is no longer working on Peek-a-booty, and hasn't been for some months. Paul and Joey took over development, as you can see at www.peek-a-booty.org:
    "The cDc and Peek-A-Booty
    A commonly-perpetuated misconception about this project is that it is run by CULT OF THE DEAD COW (cDc). This is a myth that has been propagating since the projects inception. The Peekabooty project has its own open-source group, entirely separate from the cDc."

    This left Hacktivismo members with some time on their hands, and Camera/Shy (and other projects underway) is the result.

    Now for some comments on earlier posts:
    "This will get people killed because stego is weak/traffic analysis is possible."

    There is weak stego, just like there is weak crypto. But wouldn't you trust, say, triple AES encryption followed by 'outguess' stego? If not, you should stop forgetting your meds.

    Traffic analysis could find some change in traffic patterns using almost any existing tool or method. Nobody can guarantee the safety of people who circumvent the Chinese firewalls, for example. Those who do so, do it at their own risk. But traffic analysis is not undertaken lightly, at least not on a large scale. Echelon, for example, does not incorporate any sort of traffic analysis per fairly recent reports. I assume that The Pull will be adding PNG and/or JPG support before long, which would make it quite a bit harder.

    To the other armchair critics out there, I'd say "So where is *your* privacy/anticensorship product? The one which is immune to port and IP blocking, DoS, and traffic analysis, but which is easy to use, requires no cryptography, etc?" The fact is that there will never be such a product, because it's simply not possible. Forgive us for not expecting the oppressed people of the world to simply give up all hope because of theoretical risks. If you want to criticize, please code something and show how it can be done better! Any contribution, no matter how trivial, is more helpful than empty whining.

  70. "Persecuted" has emotional context by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

    Persecuted is one of those words that implies something without explicitly stating it, in this case it implies "wrongfully persecuted." It's a loaded word favored by major media outlets and other alleged sources of "objective reporting".

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  71. Read another way by puckhead · · Score: 1

    I've see nothing except the 'mobile wire tap' that's different from what has always been available to law enforcement provided there is a court warrant. If someone is to be wiretapped at all, a mobile wire tap and a tap on Internet communications only makes sense.

    Due process appears to be intact.

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  72. The Burma Solution by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 2

    Ok, I'm referring to the country currently known as "Myanmar", but I refuse to grant the torturing, fascist limp-dick fucks in SLORC the dignity of using their chosen name.

    Basically, from what I've heard, 10% of the adult population of Burma are secret police informants, either willingly or through coercion. You can never be sure who your real friends are, and no activity involving more than one person can be secure. More importantly (to this discussion), unlicensed possession of a modem is severely punished. So, in Burma, stego, crypto, and traffic analysis are all effectively obsolete. Only "trusted" people and organizations get internet access, with the understanding that they will be watched closely. Everyone else lives in medieval isolation (except for working for PepsiCo), cut off from the rest of the world, with far fewer human rights than even the citizens of China.

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  73. check your sources by Phelan · · Score: 1

    I hate responding to flamebait... but this story at CNN. Does not support any of your terrorist claims, no mention of your alleged Terrorist. The actual Pilot died at a local hospital with the passenger as survivor.

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  74. steganography vs saganography? by herrd0kt0r · · Score: 1

    this is not to be confused with the Saganography tool, which will be released in the near future, and will allow the common PC to visualize billions and billions of hidden alien transmissions.

  75. Millenium by Wandering+Idiot · · Score: 1

    Speaking of the X-Files, one of Chris Carter's other shows, Millenium, used something similar in an episode. There were a coulple of young hacker guys (reminiscent of the Lone Gunmen) who decoded a message hidden in a picture file by detecting subtle changes in the colors of pixels. One of the show's better episodes, as I recall. And I want whatever hack they were using to make "Print Screen" send a screenshot directly to the printer ; )

    1. Re:Millenium by AnyoneEB · · Score: 1

      :( DOS does make print screen actully print the screen. At least I think it does, I don't have any DOS machine with a printer hooked up anymore.

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    2. Re:Millenium by Wandering+Idiot · · Score: 1

      I know, I used to use it fairly often. They were using a GUI (I think it was supposed to be Windows). Probably just a convenience of the writers, but they could concievably have been using some kind of third-party program, or been using a Linux GUI with some hack.

  76. Re:Don't forget WHY the muslim world is barbaric.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must say that's the first semi-intelligent thing I've seen you say.

    Of course, being a troll, 99% of what you post is inflammatory crap anyway...

  77. Re:Moderation - A warning from History by uucpbrain · · Score: 1

    I believe what you're referring to is called "editorial stance," like it or not, you will never escape it.

    As an old journalist, I can assure you that you will never find any media entity which doesn't have an editorial position. Slashdot's moderation, which I myself have sometimes found arbitrary and annoying (yes, I've been modded down often enough) is no worse than cnn.com's refusal to air some stories, or the emphasis they put on aspects of various stories, or PC Magazine's lack of critical reviews of major advertiser's products. If anything, Slashdot's policies are less harmful. To call them fascist for having an editorial policy is ludicrous. Nobody would ever want to visit a site without such a policy, as the content would be random and directionless.

    If you can't live with slashdot's policies, by all means post elsewhere! Would you expect a Communist site to welcome Republican-slanted posts from you, or vice versa? I think not. This is not the only site in the world, and you can always start your own if you can't be happy with anyone else's.

    In summation: dude, get a grip.

  78. The price of freedom I guess. by CountBrass · · Score: 1

    Shame it will doubtless be used by paedophiles, nazis, George Double-Yah Bush and other terrorists etc etc.

    The price of freedom isn't just eternal vigilance.

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  79. Steganography shmeganography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see the point. I use PGP once in a blue moon, but I can't imagine ever wanting to use steganography.

    Sigh. My life must be boring compared to those hacktivist James Bond types.

    nobody

  80. speaking in secret IS freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    may I remind you that almost all the federalist papers were written with (nom de plums) and secretly posted on trees in the unpopulated woods along roadsides.

  81. Hacktivismo-site disappeared ? by Ballie · · Score: 1

    Ik looks like the Hacktivismo-site has disappeared ??
    ZDNet is just running a Newsmessage about Camera/Shy... Coincidence ?