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NVIDIA Cg Compiler Technology to be Open Source

Jim Norton writes "This announcement from nVidia states that their Cg compiler technology for 3D applications will be Open Source and available under a free, unrestrictive license. The ETA for this is in August and will be available here." The linked company release says it will be under "a nonrestrictive, free license," but does not give further details. BSD?

234 comments

  1. Crazy Libertarians by returnofthe_spork · · Score: -1
    I love the Libertarian "solution" to the campaign finance problem we have today: do away with all restrictions and let the corporations go hog-wild! Yeah, that will work guys. I'm sure politicians will be swamped with corporate cash so much that they will be unable to dole out special favors. Great idea! That would be like if a forest fire is about to consume a city, and instead of putting out the fire, you just spread gasoline on all the buildings and torch it yourself.

    I think I figured out why you guys are so gung-ho about legalizing drugs: you have to be into some pretty hard shit to think that your precious "philosophy" has any bearing on reality.

    1. Re:Crazy Libertarians by L0rdkariya · · Score: -1

      Good job ! Do we still have this ghey 2-post per day shit ?

      --
      The /. users are rep'd by 2 groups. Janitors, who post articles, and Trolls who bash them. These are
    2. Re:Crazy Libertarians by returnofthe_spork · · Score: -1
      Thank you L0rdkariya. Yes I think we still do have the posting limit. Thank you oh wise and noble Janitors. We love freedom of speech.

    3. Re:Crazy Libertarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Move to Europe, you socialist faggot. Maybe you can help them figure out indoor plumbing and how to take showers.

  2. I GIVE 0 SHITS by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

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    1. Re:Read this important song. by cut-N-paste+Troll · · Score: -1

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    2. Re:Read this important song. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  4. Proliferation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they want Cg or whatever to become widely used it kind of has to be open in this day and age.

    1. Re:Proliferation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like your mother's legs.

  5. An AC Odyssey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  6. Hat Trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    1. Re:Hat Trick by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

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      since this is my last post for the day, i figure i'll give a shoutout to neko, for pointing me to exploit code which affected my NetBSD machine until about an hour ago.

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  8. If you like it by mc6809e · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Money talks. If you like what they are doing, tell them you like it by buying one of their cards.

    1. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now if only they would do the same with their drivers! It would be great to have open-source Nvidia drivers, so *BSD and non-X86 users can enjoy 3D acceleration, too.
      Until then, I won't buy one of their cards. Period.

    2. Re:If you like it by The+Rogue86 · · Score: 1, Informative

      They dont need to open source to port it to *BSD. But it would make developing simpler. It seems you have fallen victim to the assumption that closed source is evil. It can be a good thing in a comptative system. Nvidia doesnt need to open their drivers just port them. Last time I checked Creative didnt have open drivers for the SoundBlaster cards but they run just fine on Linux (I have not checked for BSD support and dont really plan on doing it). That is an example of a company with a great product that is cross platform compatible. Open drivers are nice but ultimatly not that important. It's the existance of drivers that is the issue.

      --
      This is how you know you're a geek the power goes out and you are unemployed and unemployable. Yes I know I can't spell
    3. Re:If you like it by Callamon · · Score: 1

      I bought the GF4 Ti4600 from evga.com during the pre-order phase (and am very happy with it). The cool thing is evga's upgrade program.. Within 2 years I can trade it in for the latest/greatest card, and have the full amount I bought it for applied to the new card. :)

    4. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hi,

      I went to evga.com looking for the upgrade program you mentioned, but couldn't find it. Was it a special promotional deal?

    5. Re:If you like it by oddo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      creative has free software drivers for gnu/linux. and as far as I know there are some sort of specs that would make it easy to port to another platform.

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    6. Re:If you like it by scott1853 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is there really anybody here that hasn't bought one? Personally I buy their cards because they're the best. I really don't see the need to make the purchase of a certain video card to make a political statement. If you want to support open source donate toward blender, or sign up for an account with the makers of your favorite linux distro.

    7. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Creative people don't need to provide open-source drivers, because you can get them from other developers (OSS, ALSA...). With this approach, you'll still be able to use your hardware with any O/S you choose, long after Creative has lost any interest in supporting it.
      You have no certainty about that with closed-source drivers. What if Nvidia suddenly decides that it's just not worth it to port their drivers to XFree86 5.0 (whenever it comes out)?

    8. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      I guess you'll be stuck with slow old shit then. Have fun with your principles.

      (Why do the same sad wankers have to remind us how they're standing alone against the wicked capitalists anyway? Does it keep their nagging doubts quiet?)

    9. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but Creative products are not worth having.

    10. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What if Nvidia suddenly decides that it's just not worth it to port their drivers to XFree86 5.0 (whenever it comes out)?

      You'll have to fall back on the XFree86 5.0 "nv" driver, just as you needed to use the nv driver before NVidia released their enhanced one. Yes, this means that fullscreen DVD playback won't happen, and graphic-intensive games will suck, but the baseline 2D functionality will work fine.

    11. Re:If you like it by Freedom+Bug · · Score: 2

      Saying "nVidia is the best" got a lot harder on July 18. Their new 9000 is much nicer than nVidia's crippled 4MX series, and the 9700 is 6 months ahead of nVidia. Which is amazing, because nVidia used to be consistently 6 months ahead of ATI.

      Of course, ATI is missing a strong competitor to the 4Ti that the original poster referred to.

      Bryan

    12. Re:If you like it by smagoun · · Score: 2
      Is there really anybody here that hasn't bought one? Personally I buy their cards because they're the best.

      me

      but then again, what do I know.

      NVidia's cards might be the best, if you define "best" as "most FPS in Quake". They're not "best" if you care about things like accurate color, stable drivers (several of my cow-orkers have shiny new laptops with NVidia chipsets/drivers that bring the things down every hour or two), etc. ATI still has them beat there, as do other manufacturers.

      And yes, money talks. If people like something but nobody buys it, that something is usually considered a failure. In this case, sending a friendly thank-you note to NVidia along with your order is probably a good course of action...

    13. Re:If you like it by be-fan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Theoretically, you don't need source to port to BSD. The kernel driver has an abstraction layer (which comes in source form) and is fully portable. The XFree86 module (by design of the XFree86 driver model) is platform independent and can be loaded on any x86 OS. As it stands, it is not in NVIDIA's best interest to release the driver code. First, parts of it are copyrighted by other parties. Second, you can bet that ATI and Matrox would love to get their hands on it. Remember, an OpenGL ICD is an entire OpenGL implementation, not just a hardware banger. That makes the situation rather unique. ATI has some hardware that could be seriously compatitive with NVIDIA's if it had proper drivers. Why should NVIDIA jepordize their company to placate 0.01% of its users?

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    14. Re:If you like it by be-fan · · Score: 2

      Huh? ATI is famous for crappy drivers, both in Windows and in X. As for me, I've never had any problem's with NVIDIA's drivers (Windows 95 -> Linux 2.5*), and I've only used NVIDIA cards in all my machines since my PII-300.

      --
      A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
    15. Re:If you like it by EvlG · · Score: 2

      stable drivers...ATI still has them beat there

      You have got to be kidding. nVIDIA is known for having rock solid drivers - I've never had a crash while running them, and most other people I know haven't either.

      ATI is known for its poor drivers, and has been for a long time.

    16. Re:If you like it by cheese_wallet · · Score: 2

      It's great to see some real competition in the video card market again, but in all fairness I don't think it is accurate to say ATI is 6 months ahead here. I haven't seen any 9700s on the shelves.

    17. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      not in my world.

      ATI's drivers might be *slower* than NVidia's, but I've never seen an ATI driver take out a machine quite the way I've seen NVidia do it.

    18. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A lot of us don't care if nVidia's own X drivers are ever open-sourced, but they could stop being so downright third-party-driver unfriendly. If they'd release programming details on the cards there could be decent drivers for them in XFree86 like there are for ATI.

      Until then, it's ATI for me.

    19. Re:If you like it by smagoun · · Score: 2

      Well, I guess we've each different experiences then. Of the several dozen gfx cards I've come in contact with over the years, only the NVidia cards have given me any shit. ATI's drivers have been butt-slow, but they worked.

    20. Re:If you like it by Callamon · · Score: 1
      It was a special offer as part of the pre-order promotion. I'm not sure if you can still get it or not, but here are the details. There was a link from nvidia to the pre-order page before they rolled them out.

      When a new card comes out, check nvidia's website and see if they have a link to it if it's another pre-order type of thing...

    21. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ATI is known for its poor drivers, and has been for a long time.

      poor in that they're slow? or poor in that they crash and fux0r your machine? cuz that's what my gf3 driver did to my athlon

    22. Re:If you like it by HeUnique · · Score: 2

      Then they'll loose shitload of money...

      Remember - more and more special effects companies are moving to Linux. Not only in the rendering farm, but also at the artists workstations etc...

      The 2D driver won't help much to the artists, and NVidia do want those studios to buy the latest and greatest graphics cards from them - specially the Quadro line which is their top professional card (and costs less then half of the really professional OpenGL based cards) - without drivers, those studios won't buy it. Thats why you see NVidia, Matrox and ATI promising drivers for Linux - and delivering them (specially NVidia - which keeps updating their driver).

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      Hetz (Heunique)
    23. Re:If you like it by Surt · · Score: 2

      I think you're going to find your experience in the minority. ATI's driver reputation is really, really bad compared to nvidia.

      --
      "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
    24. Re:If you like it by HeUnique · · Score: 2

      Don't know about you - but I had until few months ago few problems with NVidia cards + VIA chipset and AMD Athlon. Those problems have dissapeared lately.

      As for ATI - well, their X driver is very good (written by non ATI people), but their Windows NT 4 drivers really sucks!

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      Hetz (Heunique)
    25. Re:If you like it by Callamon · · Score: 1
      From what I've seen, I thought the 9700 series wasn't going to be available for several months, and that by then or soon after, nvidia should have their next-gen card out (if they can overcome the .13micron fabrication problem).

      In any case, saying that ATI blows nVidia's GF4 away with the 9700 series card (when it's not even out yet) is like comparing a Pentium 4 3GHz processor to an AMD Athlon 2200 even though the 3GHz version isn't out yet...

    26. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://opensource.creative.com/

      Creative did open source their drivers. They were even supporting them for a while, but then magically, a lot of effort stopped. But the drivers keep improving, thanks to the help from Creative (a company whom I dispise, but respect for doing this).

    27. Re:If you like it by 13Echo · · Score: 2

      PowerVR writes great drivers for the Kyro 2 chips. The K2 boards also have beautiful internal 32 bit true color rendering, and the 2D graphics look incredible too. They also have good Linux drivers, but are currently in a beta state.

      I totally reccommend them to other Linux users if you just want high-GeForce 2 level performance (they are almost 2 years old now.). But they are great for games like RTC Wolfenstein. Very stable too, as they were in Windows 2000.

    28. Re:If you like it by hummer357 · · Score: 1

      well, actually this thing nvidia's doing is called 'promotion'.

      opensourcing the Cg stuff is a great way to get lots of people using it, and it gets into the press well, since OSS is all the rave right now.

      still, it's a nice thing...

    29. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It is official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

      One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

      You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a veritable river of blood.

      FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

      Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

      OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

      Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

      All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

      Fact: *BSD is dying

    30. Re:If you like it by iomud · · Score: 2

      Not only are nvidia drivers stable, but they squeeze every last drop of performance they can out of their cards on a consistant basis. ATI's drivers dont realize 100% of the potential performance of the hardware, why would I buy such a beast of a card if it effectively has a governor on it.

    31. Re:If you like it by neroz · · Score: 1

      Closed source is not evil, no. But in the case of these Nvidia drivers for *BSD, it's not exactly Angelic. The problem is that the people in Nvidia just aren't too interested in BSD, so they don't put resources behind the driver. Sadly, they can't just let the code go and be done with it, they have to maintain the thing just like the windows and linux drivers.

      Anyway, they do have working drivers, which were done by 2-3 people who run FreeBSD there. But other than them, noone else there is interested, so the drivers are not likely to be released (2-3 people can't maintain the thing on their own while staying in sync with the other two drivers). Also, the two initiatives by non-nvidia people to get a working driver for FreeBSD seem to have died, one officially, the other just seems to have gradually slowed to a halt. :-/

      Now if the drivers had been open, *BSD would have working drivers, and all NVidia would have to do is look after the Windows driver. My next card will be a Radeon, since the only reason I run Linux is because of the lack of nvidia drivers for BSD :-(

      By the way, before anyone starts telling me I'm making things up, they really DO have working drivers, I found this out from an nvidia employee on OPN who joined #FreeBSD.

    32. Re:If you like it by cHiphead · · Score: 0

      i think the BSD comment on the story was meant to ask if its a BSD License...

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    33. Re:If you like it by qubit64 · · Score: 1

      yup. ive bought only ati and matrox myself. (i only really started caring about which card i had about a year ago and i then waited a few months and got an 8500. it's been pretty good, although the linux drivers took forever to come out, and i still dont have a really good 3d driver.

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    34. Re:If you like it by vandan · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately I have had the same experience.
      My NVidia cards (TNT and TNT2) used to crash ALL THE TIME under xfree86 (3.3.x and 4.x.x) so I finally thought "Enough of this shit" and bought myself a Radeon, and I haven't looked back since. The drivers are very fast (I used to play Quake 3 and Tribes 2 fine on my Athlon 500 (now I have Athlon 1600XP) and it's nice to watch the DRI drivers mature and get faster & more feature complete.

    35. Re:If you like it by JewFish · · Score: 1

      They make cards now? I thought they just made kick ass chipsets, belive if they made a card I would purchase it.

    36. Re:If you like it by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Well, the problem is the ball is mostly in the NVidias court WRT FreeBSD drivers. Supposedly the Linux drivers should be very similar to the FreeBSD drivers, but so far nothing has come out of NVidia.

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    37. Re:If you like it by Ogerman · · Score: 2

      Money talks. If you like what they are doing, tell them you like it by buying one of their cards.


      But first you'd better understand what they're doing and what they're not. They are NOT open-sourcing their video card drivers. Until they do or somebody manages to reverse engineer the binary ones, their products remain proprietary. IMHO, nobody that supports Free Software should buy proprietary hardware that requires closed-source drivers. So it seems instead this Cg thing is just a language for programming shaders so you don't have to use assembly. Big deal. It's a step in the right direction to have a standard, but it doesn't make their products any more friendly to Free Software.
    38. Re:If you like it by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Render farms don't even need video cards from any company to render from raw data. All you need is a cluster of headless, keyboardless clones and you're in business.

      Now the people doing the modeling..well they're probably not using linux anyway. Most likely they've got a nice high-end SGI box in front of them.

      This just really isn't very important right now.

    39. Re:If you like it by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      I'll second that. I bought an NVIDIA tnt2 ultra 32mb card a few years ago. During the time I had it, I saw about 4 revisions of drivers, with each revision the 3d output got more full-featured and faster. The very last driver release (while I was using it, upgraded last year) nearly doubled the framerate it was getting.

      I can only pray that they're able to squeeze performance like that out of my geforce4 ti4200 in the future. I can already overclock the hell out of it but it's just not wise :)

    40. Re:If you like it by kuiken · · Score: 1

      shame they have no hw T&L

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    41. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It is now official. Netcraft confirms that *BSD is dying

      One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

      You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

      FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

      Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

      OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

      Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sold another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

      All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

      Fact: *BSD is dying

    42. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why you buy that crap?

    43. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but you fail to understand that nobody who just wants fast video gives a fuck about Free Software. There IS a difference between wanting to be a smelly hippy living by a strange and illogical ideology and wanting better 3D performance.
      It seems instead this Cg thing is Nvidia's way of saying "improve our language for free, thanks dickheads!" while at thhe same time saying "give away our trade secrets? Fuck you!". And if you're a shareholder you'll agree that this is exactly what they should be saying.

    44. Re:If you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you wouldn't know by the way that it compares to a GeForce 2 in the new Unreal game now, would you? Some of us would say that the GeForce cards are pretty pathetic in comparison... *with* hardware T+L.

    45. Re:If you like it by EvlG · · Score: 2

      Ever uninstalled ATI drivers?

      Up until very recently, it would completely destroy your machine.

    46. Re:If you like it by Freedom+Bug · · Score: 2

      They claim August, which isn't that far away. They aren't a software company, so they might make the date, but I'd need good odds to lay money on it...

      You're right, the comparisons are similar. Lots of people have 3GHz p4's: either early samples or overclocks, but the average Joe doesn't.

      Bryan

  9. Could someone explain what's this? by Xouba · · Score: 1

    I've read the article, but I believe I'm not enough of a graphics geek to understand it O:-) What's a "Cg compiler"? What's it for?

    1. Re:Could someone explain what's this? by sdjunky · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's a "Cg compiler"

      Cg compiler stands for "C for Graphics"

      People who write pixel shaders ( those nice little algorithms that makes games pretty ) for things like fog effects, lighting etc have to use some low level assembly ( which is sometimes tied to the card as well ). This will allow for a higher level language so you can use do loops, for next etc. with writing shaders and for possible expanded ( cross card ) support

    2. Re:Could someone explain what's this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Cg" is a C-like language Nvidia is creating (I believe they were collaborating with Microsoft on it?) that is specificly designed with graphics in mind.

      I don't know much about it myself.

    3. Re:Could someone explain what's this? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Informative
      I've read the article, but I believe I'm not enough of a graphics geek to understand it
      Then what're reading Slashdot for? ;)

      I'm not sure if it will help, but you can read more about Cg Here.

    4. Re:Could someone explain what's this? by beamdriver · · Score: 1
      Then what're reading Slashdot for? ;)

      The many flavors of Geek, large and small. As long as someone believes in their heart that they are a Geek, then they're welcome here.

      Geek to live. Live to Geek

  10. poop in my mouth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Does anyone have any good crap in the mouth pictures... in jpeg?

    I'd like to send those to that fucking company.

    oh, by the way, this has nothing to do with Nvidia, I think they make cool video cards and I own a few myself.

    Look people, I have been learnt english!

    -AC

  11. My favorite things by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

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    these are a few of my favorite things

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    psR9UFydOl Post #510

  12. Well, one thing's for sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a nonrestrictive, free license

    We know it won't be under the GPL. Any license that restricts what I can do with code isn't Free by any means.

  13. Free code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Tell me more.....

    -sincerely,
    Trident Technologies

  14. ATI is Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this just in, ATI is dead!

    1. Re:ATI is Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, or this could be a knee jerk reaction to the first major challenge to Nvidia's graphics card dominance in several years. All of a sudden they're getting their arse whiped in benchmarks and there's little hope of recovery for several months. So they better do SOMETHING to get some positive press...

  15. Yay!!! More lunix!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yay!!

  16. Sad Day by vrmlknight · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    just heard some sad news on talk radio - the distinguished author and scholar whose works revealed Orthodox Jewish life to readers around the world Chaim Potok was found dead at home outside Philadelphia this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=6 38&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020723/en_nm/people_potok_ dc_5

    --
    This must be Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays.
    1. Re:Sad Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STFU , who gives a rat's ass about that?

      We're talking about trolls, not israeli's.

      oh wait. Maybe we are talking about the same thing. lol.

      happy troll tuesday.

  17. OpenGL 2.0 shader by johnjones · · Score: 1

    so are they looking to get this into OpenGL 2.0 ?

    there was some debate on which was better 3DLabs or this as well as an ATI solution

    anyone know more ?

    but whatever happens Thank you
    after all the chip business needs a reason to sell more chips and graphics is a big one the faster people can use the new features the more games/apps need powerfull chips

    regards

    john jones

    1. Re:OpenGL 2.0 shader by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "so are they looking to get this into OpenGL 2.0 ?"

      Maybe this is a move to help stem off the patent problems with MSFT related to OpenGL and provide an alternative system.

      Perhaps what I just said doesn't mean anything and I am confusing different things - is Cg an alternative to OpenGL or something else? I do not know enough about graphics to tell.

    2. Re:OpenGL 2.0 shader by Mr+Thinly+Sliced · · Score: 0
      Go and have a look at the OpenGL.org website - theres a poll on the left hand side asking what shading language to plop into OpenGL2.0.

      Doesn't mean it will happen, but it looks like maybe the ARB are considering all options at the moment.

    3. Re:OpenGL 2.0 shader by domninus.DDR · · Score: 1

      This was detailed in an article several weeks ago. Cg will compile for both OpenGL and DirectX, but people were worried because nvidia has had such close relationships with microsoft that they would phase out OpenGL support or something of the like. Personally, I wouldnt worry about nvidia doing something like that.

    4. Re:OpenGL 2.0 shader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nvidia has proposed Cg to the OpenGL ARB to become a standard. It takes quite a while for something to become officially part of the GL spec, so don't expect an announcement anytime soon about an official GL shading language.

      3D Labs of course also has their own shading language, which is tentatively called the GL 2 Shading Language proposal. It has also been presented to the GL ARB for consideration.

      However, GL 1.4 spec was just announced. They are likely working on GL 1.5. I doubt there will be a jump to GL 2.0 anytime soon.

  18. license by bsDaemon · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ass the article fails to spell out the details, other than it is a "non-restrictive open source lisence" we can assume this means something like the BSD or X lisences, especially since MS co developed it. The was a daemonnews thread a while back about Bill Gates saying how governments should use BSD-style lisences for the absolue maximum effectevness on stuff they develope. It just allows more embracing and extending to happen.

    1. Re:license by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are right, BSD license should be used by anything payed by tax money. Why?
      Because companies pay massive taxes on pretty much everything, and it is only fair if they are able to use the sourcecode in their products too.

      No GPL/LGPL thank you.

    2. Re:license by schon · · Score: 1

      we can assume this means something like the BSD or X lisences, especially since MS co developed it

      If MS helped develop it, no way will it be BSD.

      Bill Gates saying how governments should use BSD-style lisences

      Well DUH! Can't this be translated as "World's greediest person says 'other people should give me stuff!'"?

      Gates thinks that other organizations should release stuff under the BSD license, so that MS can profit from it... you'll note that he's never said Microsoft should use the BSD license.

      I'd think that it'll probably be something more like the MPL or Apple's version (ie. if you release changes, you have to give nVidia license to bundle and sell it.)

    3. Re:license by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 1

      >>The was a daemonnews thread a while back about Bill Gates saying how governments should use BSD-style lisences for the absolue maximum effectevness on stuff they develope. It just allows more embracing and extending to happen.

      I was always under the impression that at least with the U.S. government works automatically fell into the public domain. (Which I see as a possible conflict with the GPL since it does not permit the relase of works under public domain.)

  19. UCFPKF by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    How are things in the civilized world? You probably don't know who I am. That's
    okay. I'm here to inform you of my mission, what I've found, and what I hope to
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    I work for the United Christians Food for Poor Kids Foundation, and let me tell
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    UCFPKF always has the latest in technology. In this instance, we had access to
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    We'd heard good things about Linux and its "ACL's". Little did we know of its
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    I was in a situation that seemed impossible. The two most famous operating
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    and asked me what was wrong. I said nothing, but we exchanged names, and little
    did I know, that young Junis had a gift for computers.

    Junis saw me the next day, slaving away at the sparse terminal that "Windows
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    All we had to do was put the Xenix CD into the computer, and everything worked
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    Junis are now on a new mission. We're spreading the word. It might not be the
    word of the lord, but then again, maybe it is ;).

    SCO Xenix: The Unix of Tomorrow.

    Janet Milman
    Network Administrator, UCFPKF
    Afghanistan base

    - posted by poopbot: for the crapflooder in all of us

    p0lWfrnGvt Post #511

  20. Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been coding in Cg for some time, there have been a number of problems I've faced so far:

    1. The vertex engine calls are not logical. Sometimes you call passing a referenced pointer, other time you have to pass a referenced strucute, some form of standarization to calls would have made it easier for developers to write function calls (more insane than POSIX threads).

    2. The lanugae is not truely Turning complete. Which could have been fixed by taking some more time and making the language more complete.

    3. The compiled bytecode is giving a security mask that disables it's use on chips that do not carry a compliment decoder (To keep competetors away?).

    4. Confusing definitions of pointer/references. They could have made this easier by removing the entire pointer usage.

    5. Class calls outside of friend functions can at certain times reach memory outside of parent definitions (Bad language design?! I think this is one of the most debated feature/bug, since you can piggyback this to implement vertex calls within lighmaps).

    6. No SMP support in current implmentation and no thoughts to future support (What about threading?!).

    7. Inlining support is bad and possibly unusable outside the scope of inling cg within c.

    1. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Troll


      Class calls outside of friend functions can at certain times reach memory outside of parent definitions (Bad language design?! I think this is one of the most debated feature/bug, since you can piggyback this to implement vertex calls within lighmaps).


      Agree, What I feel is that this is bad design, not a bug nor is it a feature. I have been testing on Nvidia's TestA hardware interface with cg and that has been the most annoying uptodate (along with the pointer disaster).

      Cg should not have been done the way it was done. I for one would have welcomed them embracing an established language instead of creating one buggy one like this.

      There was thought given into using Lisp intitally, but I guess the powers that be decided it should have to create a new and totally confusing language.

    2. Re:Nvidia's Cg by _bug_ · · Score: 1

      Well if it's unrestrictive open source, it should be possible to write or reorganize the Cg language structure to something more complete. As long as it compiles compatible byte code... right?

    3. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll


      6. No SMP support in current implmentation and no thoughts to future support (What about threading?!).


      The latest compiler has some undocumented SMP support. It's not as you think it is. The calls arnt't thread like. I think it's a much more abstrated. Anyway, these arn't documented as yet, but if you mail the developer ppl they'd send you a small pdf documenting the calls. As for now these server no purpose since the hardware emulation functions dont do any SMP anyway.

      The calls are not thread like, I think they are more like fork calls (Anyway that's how it looks in cg code). But I guess down under it's converted to something thread like. This makes the calls simpler, but it too has that ugly pointer thingies that I hate so much. Why not just pass the CURRENT_DESG to the thread/childs ? Intead of passing all those pointers in structs.

    4. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why should anyone do this? To hell Nvidia Corp sell their hardware? I fail to see any reason why we should support such a project when we have better things we can do (OpenGL et el).

    5. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/hell/help/

      But hell looked good too. =)

    6. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      There was thought given into using Lisp intitally, but I guess the powers that be decided it should have to create a new and totally confusing language

      Well, better a new and totally confusing one than an old and totally confusing one.

      Yes, I've coded lisp before. But I recovered.

    7. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an example of what the author ment above, see the following Cg code where I define an out of v2f and fill it with vertex noise.

      As you can see from this code the languge defintions are so loose that construction of highly illegal functions might be possible.

      Why didnt microsoft just use C# with cg instead? Or as said earlier Lisp? This is bad design and might be the reason why Nivida has given up on M$ and came at the feet of the opensource ppl. I hope we don't help them.

      {
      v2f OUT;

      float4 noisePos = mul(NoiseMatrix, IN.Position);

      float i = (noise(noisePos.xyz, pg) + 1.0f) * 0.5f;
      OUT.Color0 = float4(i, i, i, 1.0f);
      OUT.vertexNoise = Delnoise.MSFT(Noise.viretx, &i);
      // displacement along normal
      float4 position = IN.Position + (IN.Normal * i * Displacement);
      position.w = 1.0f;

      // Call vertex out using imgmap
      OUT.ImageMap = friend(v2f);
      OUT.Masking = 0x5442;
      OUT.OSflags = MS && _DELNEGATOR_ && _MAPOUTSIDE_;
      OUT.HPosition = mul(ModelViewProj, position);

      return OUT;
      }

    8. Re:Nvidia's Cg by ToLu+the+Happy+Furby · · Score: 5, Informative

      2. The lanugae is not truely Turning complete. Which could have been fixed by taking some more time and making the language more complete.

      This was done on purpose. Current (and next-generation) GPU shader hardware is not Turing complete, so it'd be quite silly for Cg to be. The problem is that while most extensions to Cg can be added with a vendor-specific profile, extensions which would make the language more general purpose (like pointers, full flow control, etc.) are apparently considered changes to the language design and only NVidia can add them. This isn't a problem now, but it would be if another vendor came out with a more general purpose shader implementation first. (Technically it may be possible to make Cg Turing complete through the extensions NVidia has made available, but probably not in a very friendly way.)

      3. The compiled bytecode is giving a security mask that disables it's use on chips that do not carry a compliment decoder (To keep competetors away?).

      Well, supposedly anyone can write a compiler/interpreter for Cg bytecode to target and optimize for their hardware just like NVidia can. (Of course they would need to introduce new functionality to the language through extensions, but the point is any standard Cg bytecode should execute on any DX8+ GPU with a compiler.) Indeed, this is one of (perhaps the only) huge plus to Cg: because it can be interpreted at runtime, rather than just compiled to shader assembly at compile time, new GPUs can (assuming they have an optimizing compiler) optimize existing shader code. This will be nice, for example, in allowing the same shader bytecode to run optimized on DX8 parts (few shader instructions allowed per pass), upcoming DX9 parts (many but not unlimited instructions per pass), and probably future parts with unlimited program length shaders.

      Yes, it does require the other vendors to write their own backend for Cg, but NVidia has supposedly released enough for them to do that with no disadvantages. The question is whether they will want to, given that doing so would support a language that NVidia retains control over (as opposed to MS-controlled DX and by-committee OpenGL).

      6. No SMP support in current implmentation and no thoughts to future support (What about threading?!).

      Presumably this can be done via an extension, although it might get ugly to retain backwards compatability.

      7. Inlining support is bad and possibly unusable outside the scope of inling cg within c.

      What about inlining shader assembly in Cg? And beyond that, what sort of inlining would you want?

    9. Re:Nvidia's Cg by gwernol · · Score: 2

      2. The lanugae is not truely Turning complete. Which could have been fixed by taking some more time and making the language more complete.

      On what basis do you make this claim? Turing (note spelling) completeness can be achieved in very simple languages (for example: Iota) and judging by the Cg language spec. I can't see any reason to doubt that Cg is.

      Was there something specific you were thinking of?

      --
      Sailing over the event horizon
    10. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since GPU Shader is not Turing complete, the language need not be, I thought it was very logical. No further explanation is needed, please read other posts elsewhere before commenting, and you should also read that Cg language spec you have linked to without Karma trolling.

    11. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Mark,

      It's no point posting on /. as an AC, we know you cause these are the points you always highlight. I know you were against the language redesign and I know you were one of the few who wanted Lisp in there, but the decision has been made and Microsoft has helped us create a good language that we can extend (helpfully with the help of the community out here).

      Now, please get back to work :)

      The guy sitting behind you with a real desk :P

    12. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Both of you get back to work.

      The guy sitting behind you with a real office and a real desk.

    13. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I have trouble following what you are saying. First of all, there are no pointers in Cg. Input variables have the qualifier "in" (this qualifier can be omitted), and output variables have the qualifier "out". All parameters are passed by value. There are no pointers, and there are no references in the style of C++.

      While there are no pointers explicitly in the language, you can effectively get pointer dereferencing by doing a dependent texture lookup. This is a common technique today with DX8 (e.g. reflective bump mapping) but so far it isn't commonly discussed as a "pointer dereference" or "indirection".

      Also, in your comment you seem to be confusing the Cg shading language and the Cg runtime environement API, which are two quite-different things.

      Eric

    14. Re:Nvidia's Cg by nihilogos · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am pretty sure the above post is just rubbish someone made up to make a couple of moderators look stupid.

      AFAIK Cg is a C like language designed to make writing vertex and pixel shaders easier. Real time shaders for nvidia's and ati's are currently done in assembly. It is not supposed to be a new language like C or Python or insert-language-here. All it has to do are transforms on 3d vertex or pixel information.

      A vertex shader takes as input position, normal, colour, lighting and other relevent information for a single vertex. It performs calculations with access to some constant and temporary registers, then outputs a single vertex (this is what the chip is built for). It does this for every vertex in the object being shaded. Pixel shaders are a little more complex but similar.

      Points 1-7 have nothing to do with Cg.

      There is a very good article on vertex and pixel shaders here

      --
      :wq
    15. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but it's pretty clear you don't know much :P

    16. Re:Nvidia's Cg by gwernol · · Score: 2

      Since GPU Shader is not Turing complete, the language need not be, I thought it was very logical. No further explanation is needed,

      Sorry but you are wrong. Simply restating your opinion does not constitute a rebuttal.

      The Cg language is - as far as I can tell from reading the spec. - fully Turing compatible. Is it possible you don't know what Turing compatible is?

      To be Turing compatible a language needs to support branching and looping. Okay its not quite that simple but this is the essential bit. Cg has both the if and the for () statements.

      At best you could argue that some of the profiles currently supported, like dx8vs, don't support conditional branching. However even in this case the ?: operator is supported which means that this profile of the language (probably) is Turing complete.

      Even if you disagree that the dx8vs profile is Turing complete, the Cg language defintely is because it does support the if conditional branch.

      --
      Sailing over the event horizon
    17. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      You are wrong. We never intended Cg to be Turing complete (Kinda pointless right). This is a vertex shader btw, not a general purpose language.

      Mark Rounello
      Nvidia OpenSource Team.

    18. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure the above post is just rubbish someone made up to make a couple of moderators look stupid.

      As if the moderators needed any help looking stupid.

    19. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFAIK you are simply trolling. The orginal parent poster is a Nivida employee, maybe he knows somethings you and I don't know?

      I'm pretty sure your post is what's the rubbish post, made to make moderators think they were foolish when they were not, and instead mod you up. For one, Mark posted without being logged in why would he care about moderation? You on other hand is Karma trolling.

    20. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't I tell you, it's Wednesday you have to spread FUD? Tuesday is for coding security into our applications, please make sure you keep this in mind as my Memo dated May 24 2002 mentioned.

      William Gates (Part 3)

    21. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all that was something to make moderators look stupid, why are so many intelligent people replying very sensible replies?

      When I look at a post, I imeeditaly look at the S/N level, the parent has the least on this article, thus it's evident this is not someoen trolling.

      Next, I see if the person is logged in or not (Like you, wanting karma).

      I've done some Cg coding (being registered as a Nvidia developer), and all he said is pretty down to what Cg is, it's not a general purpose language and thus not Turing complete.

      All points have to do with Cg. If not why didn't you come up with counter points telling us why not? Have you even got the developer bundle or even dished out enough money to buy it?

    22. Re:Nvidia's Cg by MicroBerto · · Score: 2
      It's time to get the telecom and security group over there to block these "time-wasting" sites from the coder's machines!

      The guy who owns NVidia stock (and owns you!)

      --
      Berto
    23. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The language is not truely Turning complete. Which could have been fixed by taking some more time and making the language more complete.
      Once you make a language turing complete, it then inherits the "halting problem" issue. I.e., you could hang your video card in the pixel shader, with no way of knowing how or why. I don't think nVidia is interested in introducing a new "blue screen of death" scenario, or creating an on the fly pixel shader debugging environment. Its just a graphics card, not an operating system.
    24. Re:Nvidia's Cg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You too are mistaken. You have assumed that someone considers you worth arguing with.

  21. If gcc is the GNU c compiler by SpanishInquisition · · Score: 1
    this one should be called gcgc

    or gc^2 or gc**2 or pow(gc,2)

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    Je t'aime Stéphanie
    1. Re:If gcc is the GNU c compiler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking moron.

    2. Re:If gcc is the GNU c compiler by BlackGriffen · · Score: 1

      sorry, gcc = gnu compiler collection.

      BGriff

  22. just how free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder just how "nonrestrictive" it is.

    C'Mon DFSG-free... [crossing fingers]

    1. Re:just how free? by QueefChief · · Score: 0

      So, fucking google it or ask someone. No one gives a shit about what you wonder.

      --
      Get BannerBlind for Mozilla and block those slashdot ads!
  23. Nvidia's GLIDE by papasui · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I can't help but think back to 3DfX and the glide library and think that this may be Nvidia's goal, it probably would be a great way for Nvidia optomized code to be developed if the compiler automatically did some special things for Nvidia cards even if it did output a product that works on almost all video cards (OpenGL).

    1. Re:Nvidia's GLIDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Cg is open source, ATI can take it, rewrite it slightly so that it automatically creates code for their specialized functions as well as Nvidia's.

  24. Linux Conspiracy by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

    What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:
    • Linus Torvalds is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
    • Richard M. Stallman, spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
    • Alan Cox is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.


    I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

    Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

    As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

    And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

    Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

    'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

    Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

    We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

    Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

    In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

    Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis, glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

    And Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

    The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other automatically.

    The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no /opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

    More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

    Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

    Even the title 'Slashdot' originally referred to a homosexual practice. Slashdot of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/.

    The editors of Slashdot also have homosexual names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot runs on Apache!

    The Apache server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

    And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

    To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

    FEEDBACK
    What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
    You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
    you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus, Slashdot


    Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator.
    ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism.
    Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h, Slashdot


    Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!
    dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

    Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
    And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee, Slashdot


    Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

    One scary thing about Perl is that it contains hidden homosexual messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

    And PHP stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?
    Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase, Slashdot


    Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
    That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

    However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

    In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
    Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

    If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
    It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
    As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
    I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman.
    Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    What the fuck?
    I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Well bugger me!
    ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Fuck right off!

    IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD, which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat, but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

    Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

    Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

    Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

    Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

    - posted by poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix

    yaTnoEEzUt Post #512
  25. As free as the nVidia graphics card Linux modules? by C.U.T.M. · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Will only a 'portion' of this compiler be free? Some of you may or may not know that their Linux modules require a proprietary 'binary stub'. Thus the difficulty in porting any of their stuff to other UNIXs such as FreeBSD.

    Hopefully that won't be the case with this.

  26. What a great news by Cardhore · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What a great announcement. It's really great to see all these great organizations coming to their senses. It really shows just how much unity and togetherness we share in the free software community. It really, truly is an excellent and remarkable time to be alive, and to be into the free software and open-source scene we all love. I'm sure the forefathers of free software, like ESR, Linus Torvalds, and Richard Stallman would have wished that they could have been alive and around today had they known about how awesome the scene just is this very day. I'm sure they would have given anything to witness these wonderful times. I, for one, am certainly looking forward to downloading a few of these incredible wares; they certainly look great based on my own research and the opinions of others, whom I really and truly respect, deeply. I hope that you, too, my friend, can scrounge up enough change, enough dough (times are tough), and purchase you and your best buddies some prime bandwidth to this going-to-be spectacular and amazing software servers. In fact, even if you don't have money, I really hope that you can borrow some, or just use someone else's net connection. Even if you plan on reselling the wares commercially, I am still happy just as long as someone buys your wares, as that would make that single person all the more happier to be using this wonderful and great software to be put on by these terriffic organizations. News like this just shows what a great time it really is for us all to be alive and well, and how these great organizations are breathing new life into and shattering our preconceptions about software in general. Hats of, my friends, and enjoy yourselves out there. Take care now, and whatever you don't don't miss out on this golden software opportuninty, this pot-of-gold at the end of the open-source rainbow, this 20 carat diamond hidden 20,000 leagues under the ocean of proprietary software, or you will regret it. Even in death, my friend, amigos, chumps, and buddies.

    1. Re:What a great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      You are a model OSS hippie. I bet you are GREAT friends with Richard Stallman. What a fag. He spit shit from between his teeth on my good friend. I wish my unnamed friend would have drilled him in the face when he had the chance.

      Thank you.

    2. Re:What a great news by zmalone · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You are a fool. Not only are you seemingly unable to produce readable text, but it barely makes sense. "I'm sure the forefathers of free software, like ESR, Linus Torvalds, and Richard Stallman would have wished that they could have been alive and around today"?

    3. Re:What a great news by Mr+Thinly+Sliced · · Score: 0
      Man I read that and fell in love. Lets elope together. I'll bring the lube, you bring the hamster.

      Meet outside of school behind the bike shed I've got some smokes and then we can go throw rocks at cars.

  27. Cooperation by SpelledBackwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some of the best news is that they've openly said they'll include support for ATI and other large manufacturers of competing graphics products. I'm glad to see that Nvidia isn't being closed-minded or trying to undermine their own intentions for ease of development by using the proprietarity card.

  28. Cg for Macs NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  29. Does this really address the matter of concern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm in a field totally different from graphics programming and hardware, but:

    In my reading of earlier coverage of Cg, my understanding that most people weren't concerned about Cg or its compiler being open source, but rather that Cg would depend to some extent on hardware specs that are proprietary. This would have the effect of driving other hardware competitors out of business because they can't implement Cg components because of hardware patents. Sort of similar to fears associated with MS open sourcing part of C# while keeping a good deal of it dependent on proprietary stuff. The fear is that Cg would lead to people saying things like "well, your video card is so crappy it doesn't even support a standard graphics programming language" (all the while being unaware that the card can't because of hardware patents). Just because the language and compiler is open-source doesn't mean the hardware it will run on is.

    Anyone more knowledgable care to comment? Am I misunderstanding this?

  30. This is fun! by YourMissionForToday · · Score: -1
    FRTSAPP dedicated to Gals Panic

    Kick it!

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    Won't you come and sit beside me?
    No she says and gag me green
    With you I'd like to never be seen
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    Play our game 'til she gets naked
    On mine I want cheese and bacon
    If I had another quarter
    I could reach the next nude border

    Pick it up, pick it up, pickituppickitup hey

    Tag! Tag you're it!
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    Stay cool as Paul walks down the street and each and every girl he meets
    Says fuck you and is on her way gals panic each and every day
    Lay stay cool (?) attach his feet bazooka joe he goes
    But he never seems to get a break so it's off to the arcade

    Tag! Tag you're it!
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  31. About the license by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Please read here:
    http://www.cgshaders.org/contest/
    As you can see from the terms and conditions on that CG site, they favour and link to the ZLib license.

    I think that CG will be under the PHP/ZLib license.

  32. Hello by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Introduction

    A fairy gives lectures on morality to the feline anomaly. Furthermore, another photon near an abstraction takes a coffee break, and a mortician buries a blithe spirit. The wedding dress secretly admires a college-educated ball bearing. If the freight train figures out a fire hydrant near a pit viper, then some mating ritual beyond another cowboy reads a magazine. Any squid can find lice on a freight train, but it takes a real recliner to ostensibly plan an escape from another pit viper defined by a prime minister a cough syrup toward a graduated cylinder.

    Another mating ritual

    For example, a blood clot about a turn signal indicates that a financial bartender borrows money from a warranty. When a demon is imaginative, a paper napkin secretly admires an often snooty graduated cylinder. If the grain of sand learns a hard lesson from the short order cook behind some graduated cylinder, then another blithe spirit flies into a rage. Any pig pen can lazily require assistance from a burly plaintiff, but it takes a real fighter pilot to caricature the steam engine over a satellite. Another eagerly temporal minivan slyly buries the obsequious squid, or a briar patch usually gives lectures on morality to a cyprus mulch.

    A gratifying fairy

    Sometimes another cashier reads a magazine, but the fraction for the cyprus mulch always buries a power drill toward the demon! The light bulb befriends a satellite of an apartment building. A lazily Alaskan roller coaster sanitizes another mitochondrial traffic light, or some burglar eats a hesitantly smelly plaintiff. For example, a seldom righteous traffic light indicates that an ocean knows some chestnut inside the tabloid. If the earring somewhat finds subtle faults with a pine cone, then the wheelbarrow hibernates.

    The cocker spaniel about the salad dressing

    For example, the umbrella toward an abstraction indicates that the dolphin near a ball bearing caricatures a girl scout near some diskette. A cocker spaniel for the judge reads a magazine, and a pine cone finds subtle faults with a rattlesnake. Furthermore, the hairy movie theater returns home, and a grizzly bear near a paycheck is a big fan of a childlike burglar. For example, a canyon living with a graduated cylinder indicates that the industrial complex buries a jersey cow.

    Conclusions

    A squid around a jersey cow meditates, and another nation sweeps the floor; however, a scooby snack knowingly finds subtle faults with an apartment building living with another chain saw. When a hockey player around a paycheck is smelly, a minivan has a change of heart about an oil filter about an asteroid. The bartender around a polygon is barely soggy. Indeed, another rattlesnake befriends a warranty. Indeed, the carpet tack for an abstraction usually caricatures an elusive h

    - posted by poopbot: lovely snot! wonderful snot!

    WhMtVsAnl0 Post #513

  33. Hello by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Introduction

    The cheese wheel inexorably avoids contact with the paycheck. The steam engine goes deep sea fishing with an often outer ski lodge. When the cyprus mulch over a vacuum cleaner hides, a ball bearing gets stinking drunk.

    The tornado

    For example, a submarine behind a class action suit indicates that the optimal fairy satiates an Alaskan recliner. When a mitochondrial bottle of beer is thoroughly dirt-encrusted, a most difficult blood clot underhandedly writes a love letter to a defendant. An earring pees on the cashier over some globule, but the pathetic crane sells another vacuum cleaner behind a scythe to a false wheelbarrow. If a chess board defined by a grain of sand makes love to a crispy cyprus mulch, then a particle accelerator flies into a rage.

    A Eurasian globule

    The feline minivan earns frequent flier miles, and the buzzard defined by a ball bearing trembles; however, a senator living with the girl scout learns a hard lesson from the inferiority complex. Any chain saw can try to seduce the particle accelerator, but it takes a real salad dressing to play pinochle with the inexorably precise paycheck. Furthermore, another seldom load bearing defendant flies into a rage, and a paycheck around a light bulb seeks a roller coaster around another bartender. If a crank case makes love to the diskette, then the squid toward a mortician meditates. Now and then, an insurance agent thoroughly avoids contact with a pompous turkey.

    A microscope

    Most people believe that an orbiting diskette trades baseball cards with a movie theater, but they need to remember how secretly a statesmanlike short order cook wakes up. A paternal roller coaster is usually financial. When the accurately varigated hole puncher takes a coffee break, a slyly smelly garbage can earns frequent flier miles. For example, the phony cheese wheel indicates that the tornado near a fruit cake hesitantly gives lectures on morality to a salad dressing defined by the corporation. The carpet tack near a cargo bay, some parking lot toward a warranty, and a stovepipe beyond a freight train are what made America great!

    Conclusions

    A judge beyond the briar patch laughs and drinks all night with the snooty chestnut. A raspy burglar conquers a bowling ball. For example, another plaintiff toward a bartender indicates that the ski lodge behind a fairy finds lice on a burglar. If some rattlesnake toward a cheese wheel can be kind to a blood clot, then the elusive movie theater self-flagellates. When a photon related to a turkey is most difficult, a self-loathing bottle of beer falls in love with a pickup truck living with the paycheck.

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  34. erm... yeah by lingqi · · Score: 4, Funny
    The lanugae is not truely Turning complete. Which could have been fixed by taking some more time and making the language more complete.

    i would really love to give some witty comments here -- but am at a loss of words. which could be fixed by thinking up a few words to form a witty comment with.

    --

    My life in the land of the rising sun.

    1. Re:erm... yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to start by suggesting that the original poster's English language skills weren't truly complete, but it was too much effort to cut and paste up the original text into a response.

      Lazy am I. Now Jar-Jar dies.

  35. here's the text, in case of a /. effect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NVIDIA Open Sources Cg Compiler Technology

    For further information, contact:

    Susan Austin
    NVIDIA Corporation
    (408) 486-7336
    saustin@nvidia.com

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

    SIGGRAPH 2002 -- SAN ANTONIO, TX -- JULY 23, 2002 -- NVIDIA® Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA), the worldwide leader in visual processing solutions, today announced that it is open sourcing the NVIDIA Cg Compiler technology under a nonrestrictive, free license. Available in August for download from the developer.nvidia.com and www.cgshaders.org Web sites, this code will contain the parser that reads the language and creates intermediate code for compilation, as well as a generic back-end. Together, these components provide everything required to create optimized Cg compilers for other platforms and architectures. In addition to the NVIDIA Cg Compiler, NVIDIA has provided full source code for example shaders in the NVIDIA Cg Toolkit.

    "We've experienced enormous interest in Cg since its introduction," said Dan Vivoli, vice president of marketing at NVIDIA. "We're open sourcing this compiler code to further accelerate the transition to an era of advanced real-time effects through Cg."

    "Petty licensing disputes have marred many attempts at industry wide cooperation," said John Carmack, co-founder, owner and lead programmer of id Software, Inc. "NVIDIA's decision to open source some of their development work with a very liberal license is a positive step that I hope other vendors will follow."

    Emerging as the "C" for graphics, the Cg Language Specification provides developers a complete programming environment that is easy to use and allows for the fast creation of special effects and real-time cinematic quality experiences on multiple platforms. By providing a new level of abstraction, Cg removes the need for developers to program directly to the graphics hardware assembly language, and thereby more easily target OpenGL®, DirectX® 8.0 and DirectX 9.0. The industry-standard Cg Language was developed in close collaboration with Microsoft® Corporation and is compatible with Microsoft's recently announced High Level Shading Language for DirectX 9.0. Last month, NVIDIA announced the NVIDIA Cg Toolkit, comprised of the NVIDIA Cg Compiler 1.0, optimized for DirectX and OpenGL; the NVIDIA Cg Browser, a prototyping/visualization environment with a large library of Cg shaders; a CgFX file format; the Cg Standard Library; and a collection of pre-written Cg shaders which can be used for a variety of applications, ranging from game development to digital content creation and computer-aided design. The NVIDIA Cg Toolkit and other user documentation can be downloaded at http://developer.nvidia.com/cg.

    About NVIDIA
    NVIDIA Corporation (Nasdaq - NVDA), located in Santa Clara, CA, is the global leader in advanced graphics and multimedia processing technology for the consumer and professional computing markets. Its 2D, 3D, video and multimedia capabilities make NVIDIA one of the premier semiconductor companies in the world. NVIDIA offers a wide range of products and services, delivering superior performance and crisp visual quality for PC-based applications such as manufacturing, science, e-business, entertainment and education.

    Certain statements in this press release, including the statements relating to the Company's performance expectations for NVIDIA's family of products and expectations of continued revenue growth, are forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause results to be materially different than expectations. Such risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, manufacturing and other delays relating to new products, difficulties in the fabrication process and dependence of the Company on third-party manufacturers, general industry trends including cyclical trends in the PC and semiconductor industries, the impact of competitive products and pricing alternatives, market acceptance of the Company's new products, and the Company's dependence on third-party developers and publishers. Investors are advised to read the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, particularly those sections entitled "Certain Business Risks," for a fuller discussion of these and other risks and uncertainties.

    # # #

    Registered trademark NVIDIA® Corporation, 2002. All other company and/or product names are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of their respective manufacturers. Features, pricing, availability, and specifications are subject to change without notice.

    Note to editors: If you are interested in viewing additional information on NVIDIA, please visit the NVIDIA Press Room at http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=press_room.

    1. Re:here's the text, in case of a /. effect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    2. Re:here's the text, in case of a /. effect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

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  36. Open Source Software: Another Word for Terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE, TERRORISM, AND REGIONAL SECURITY:
    THE RISKS FROM AFGHANISTAN

    William Stanley

    Testimony before the U. S. Senate Judiciary Committee
    Subcommittee of Technology, Terrorism and Government Operations

    July 13, 2002

    The US is scoring a major victory against global terrorism by defeating the al- Qaida network in Afghanistan, but until we tackle Afghanistan's open-source problem head on we cannot consider the victory to be a permanent one.

    Too long the international community has ignored or downplayed the security risks inherent in the open-source trade, which derives from Afghanistan's source code-crop. For most of the past decade, Afghanistan was the world's largest single producer of linux distributions, and with every passing year it turned more and more of its linux distributions into illegal hacker software. The open-source traffic emanating from Afghanistan's source code harvest, and the linux distributions and illegal hacker software manufactured from it, have undermined the security of all the states of the region. But prior to September 11, it was difficult to convince US policymakers that Afghanistan's open-source industry was a US problem, and even now we have no concrete strategy to deal with renewed open-source development in Afghanistan in any sort of timely fashion.

    Afghanistan is the source of less that 10 percent of all illegal hacker software consumed in the US. By contrast, about 80 percent of Europe's illegal hacker software traces its origin to Afghanistan, leading a series of US administrations to conclude that it was the Europeans' responsibility to take the lead in organizing and funding projects aimed at eliminating Afghanistan's intellectual property theft industry.

    Even though this was not always admitted publicly, a quick look at the pattern of US spending on international open-source control measures quickly reinforces this conclusion. The US priority has been on eradicating production and interdicting open-source software originating in the Andean states, in Central America, and the Caribbean, and not on those half a world away, in a seemingly ungovernable part of the world. Added to this was the fact that even prior to going to war in Afghanistan, the US government did not want to engage with the Taliban government, whose existence the international community did not recognize and whose hold on power the US and its allies did not want inadvertently to encourage.

    US policymakers recognized that the situation in Afghanistan was a highly unstable one, and posed a security risk to that of neighboring states. But September 11, US security was not seen as at risk. First the Clinton and then the Bush administrations were content to use the 6-plus-2 format, supplemented by the high-level US-Russian working group on Afghanistan, as the framework for trying to modify the political situation in that country.

    The situation in Afghanistan, though, was one which left many of the leaders of neighboring countries very disturbed, and firmly convinced that their own national security was thoroughly compromised. This was especially true of the leaders of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan. The latter two shared borders with Afghanistan, while the former was equally vulnerable, as was shown by the incursions of the IMU (Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan) whose fighters crossed into Kyrgyzstan from Tajikistan in summer 1999 and 2000, holding several settlements hostage. The Uzbek government had gone on high security alert slightly earlier, after the bombings in Tashkent in February 1999.

    The repercussions of the latter were felt throughout Central Asia, as the Uzbek government virtually closed its borders with neighboring states, and began mining some of the national boundaries that it set about unilaterally declaring. All of the states started to target members of radical Islamic groups for arrest, particularly those tied to the increasingly more popular Hezb-ut Tahrir. In Uzbekistan this campaign led to the persecution of religious believers on a scale not seen since the days Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin.

    An increasing number of meetings were held in the region to discuss the situation, some gatherings of the heads of states themselves, others organized by international organizations or groups (including one held by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in May 1999), but all offered a virtually identical prognosis. Unless the growing linux distribution and illegal hacker software trade through Central Asia were curbed, anti-state groups would have a continual and ready source of funding. Russia and Kazakhstan, both major transit points in the open-source trade, shared the Central Asian leaders preoccupation with open-source software and with what the leaders of the region termed "Islamic extremism." Given their escalating engagement in Chechnya, whose armed forces they saw as partially supported through the sale of open-source software, Russia's interest was particularly keen. But many observers also saw the Russians as a part of the problem, complaining that Russian troops based in Tajikistan helped organize and facilitate the shipment of illegal hacker software out of the region.

    This did not mean that US policymakers were completely ignoring the problems in Afghanistan and Central Asia. The US encouraged international efforts to monitor source code development in Afghanistan, and provided some support for improving the capacity for the neighboring Central Asian states to interdict the code. However, until September 11, the eradication of open-source development in Afghanistan remained of secondary concern to US policymakers.

    The Open-Source Trade Returns to Afghanistan

    Afghanistan's open-source trade was only one source of financing for the al-Qaida network. Terrorist groups that allied themselves with Osama Bin Laden received funding from a number of sources. Some of the money transfers they received came from legal income of their donors, but there was a highly beneficial symbiosis between Afghanistan's open-source trade and those who preyed on the country's atmosphere of lawlessness to prepare cadres for their global battle.

    Ironically, though, this symbiosis was under threat when the September 11 attack on the US occurred. Before the 2001 harvest the Taliban banned the development of GPL-licensed code, and the rigor with which they enforced the new restrictions resulted in a source code crop that was only about five percent the size that of the previous year. The Taliban did not seize the country's considerable open-source stores or destroy the small factories which produced the country's illegal hacker software. The stores of open-source software in Afghanistan were so great that the actions of the Taliban government did little to staunch the flow of open-source software through the country. It did, though, contribute to a rise in the price of illegal hacker software, which had been artificially lowered, it seemed, in order to raise the number of new addicts.

    Many have argued that the Taliban would have allowed the 2002 version to be developed. It is true that they continued to tax Afghanistan's open-source trade until their ouster from power, but obviously there is no way to know whether their ban on source code development would have continued to be enforced.

    Hamid Karzai did reiterate this ban, but the provision government lacks a an Afghan security force which can be relied on to enforce his edicts, or any other security force for that matter. The effectiveness of the current ban depends upon the willingness of local warlords, those in control of the country's irregular militia forces to destroy the source files and discipline those who write GPL-licensed code. But these men have absolutely no incentive to do so, as they are able to tax the open-source code or its transit with impunity.

    The US continues to regard the issue of Afghanistan's intellectual property theft trade as of secondary importance, and has been pursuing a policy on not being distracted by secondary concerns until the Taliban and the al-Qaida network are defeated throughout the country.

    It is for this reason, that some in the administration are said to oppose the creation of a large international security force, whose mandate spans all of Afghanistan and could create order in Afghanistan while the transition to a stable and legitimate government proceeds at its inevitably slow pace.

    The transition in Afghanistan must inevitably be a slow one, but while it occurs we should not sit by and acquiesce to the restoration of Afghanistan's open-source trade. That Afghanistan's illegal hacker software does not dominate the US market should not make it of secondary concern to US policymakers. Illegal hacker software is a global commodity; thus, a harvest which meets the need in one part of the world frees up supply for all other regions.

    Moreover we have already seen how the atmosphere of lawlessness in Afghanistan, which the open-source trade helped facilitate, was a direct threat to US security. Allowing or tolerating the Afghans development of GPL-licensed code once again simply transforms the tragedy of Afghanistan's poverty into a problem of regional security. Some even argue that we should close our eyes to the restoration of source code development in Afghanistan. Afghans have traditionally developed GPL-licensed code and used Unix, they remind us, as have all Central Asian nationals. Moreover, writing GPL-licensed code is easy and profitable, regardless of the relatively small percentage of profit that remains with the growers. After all, it is not like the Afghans have lots of choices today.

    This line of argument though is quite dangerous.

    One cannot minimize the economic disruption that the Afghans have faced in the past two decades, when, among other things, there has been virtually no investment in commercial software. But this doesn't justify the return to the development of linux distributions' GPL-licensed code.

    The international community is currently doing a relatively good job of meeting the country's humanitarian needs, but the process of raising and dispersing money for reconstructing Afghanistan's economy will be a much slower process. Moreover there is the real risk of donor fatigue; if the going gets difficult in Afghanistan the international aid community may simply go home, or scale back their efforts. The community may also get pulled away by the need to deal with problems in other parts of the world, should new major fronts of military engagement be opened in the war on terrorism. Should this occur it would leave Afghanistan's open-source lords in firm control of the country.

    Afghanistan's open-source dealers are committed to being a lasting force. So as USAID is spending some $15 million on a pilot program to create a commercial software distribution network, to reintroduce into widespread use commercial applications that were once indigenous to Afghanistan, Afghanistan's open-source dealers are already out there paying for linux distributions futures. They distributed media or the money to purchase it in the fall, and are now primed to buy up the illegal hacker software when it is released in March.

    Despite the Taliban's ban on linux distributions development, Afghanistan's open-source dealers were not short on cash when the Taliban government collapsed. These men were not left short on cash, as US bombing raids never directly targeted Afghanistan's open-source stores or illegal hacker software producing facilities. Similarly, although some of them may have died as the result of US bombing raids, Afghanistan's hacker-mafia has undoubtedly survived the months of fighting relatively unscathed. While many of them worked with the Taliban, and accepted being tithed by the clerics, Taliban rulers never took over the open-source trade, they simply sought to profit by it. Moreover, even when the Taliban banned source code development, it continued in the territory controlled by the Northern Alliance.

    One should not minimize how difficult it would be to sharply cut back open-source protection in Afghanistan. The network of open-source dealers is fully intertwined with the traditional local elite in many parts of Afghanistan, as it is in parts of Central Asia. Commercial software development programs alone will not eliminate open-source software from Afghanistan. Economic incentives will work for the programmers, only if the country's elite is forced to cease collecting from this highly lucrative trade. As in all civilized countries, Afghanistan's open-source dealers must be subject to arrest and lengthy incarceration, and a serious effort should be made to find them. Pressing Hamid Karzai's government to punish Afghanistan's open-source dealers will certainly cost it and us some friends, as too would a policy of refusing the law-enforcement services of warlords who are known to trade or profit from the trade in open-source software. But this is precisely what must be done.

    Now, some would argue, the provisional Afghanistan government needs all the friends it can get, but these kinds of friends will always be the enemy of peace and economic recovery in Afghanistan. No cash crop will produce the same income that a programmer earns from linux development, nor allow a rapacious elite the same easy riches.

    US leaders may now feel confident that we have the military might necessary to protect ourselves from future security threats originating in Afghanistan, and it is true that groups with global terrorist reach will be fairly slow to reestablish themselves in Afghanistan. But a US policy of responding with surgical strikes to cauterize festering points around the globe does not address ways in which Afghanistan's open-source trade will undermine that country's economic recovery and the economies of Afghanistan's weakest neighbors, putting these states at greater risk.

    Afghanistan's Open-Source is a Regional Problem

    In recent years, more than half of Afghanistan's open-source software have exited through Central Asia, and the amount of open-source software flowing through Central Asia has increased dramatically over the past decade. Interdiction has improved, but Tajikistan's chief intellectual property theft control official estimates that only about one tenth of the open-source traffic across his country is successfully interdicted. Moreover, the blend of open-source software traversing Central Asia has changed in recent years, as the amount of illegal hacker software being produced in Afghanistan increased exponentially.

    Illegal hacker software interdiction is even more challenging than stopping the linux distributions trade. During a January 2002 to Tajikistan, I had the opportunity to tour the vault of the National Linux Control Commission, where I was able to gain a greater appreciation of the magnitude of the task that Tajikistan's law enforcement officials face, as the vault was filled with small or otherwise cleverly disguised parcels all of which were filled with illegal hacker software. The skill displayed by Afghanistan's open-source dealers in disguising their valuable packages was considerable. Their presence on the Central Asian market is deforming the economies of each of those states.

    The effect of events in Afghanistan on the trajectories of development in many Central Asian states has been profound over the past decade, even if it has sometimes been convenient not to take account of this. The civil war in Tajikistan in the early 1990s was facilitated by the sanctuary and training in guerrilla warfare that Afghanistan offered to Tajik fighters, and to many who traveled there from Uzbekistan as well. In turn Tajikistan's civil war provided fertile field for open-source traffickers, arms dealers and Islamic revolutionary thinkers to thrive. Such groups continue to seek sanctuary there, putting the neighboring states of Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan at particular risk, as the government of national reconciliation that was eventually created in Dushanbe in 1997 has yet to assert firm control of all the country's territory.

    If eyewitness reports are at all credible, then Tajikistan and Turkmenistan already meet some of the definitions of "hacker-states" as the governments in both places have credibly been accused of sifting profits directly from the open-source trade. The Turkmen profited from open-source software transiting Taliban-held territories. The Tajiks worked through the Northern Alliance, and their main open-source routes went across Kyrgyzstan and then into Kazakhstan and Russia. Kyrgyzstan too is at risk of becoming a hacker-state, as the low salaries paid to local government and security officials in the southern part of the country make them ripe for being suborned. Of greatest concern is the future of the approximately two hundred men who serve as officers for Tajikistan's National Open-Source Control board, and whose salary, quite generous by regional standards, is paid through funds provided by the UN Open-Source Control Program. Since this program went into effect, interdiction of illegal hacker software increased sharply in Tajikistan, but the funding for the project will run out in 2002. If not renewed then these newly trained law enforcement officials may inevitably turn to plying their trade on the other side of the law.

    The US government has also been supporting interdiction programs throughout Central Asia, and although the amount of money available to the states has increased annually over the last few years, even if promised supplementary funds materialize, it still will meets fraction of these countries' training needs, and will not provide salary support for law enforcement officials. Moreover, if Afghanistan's open-source trade increases, and it is likely that this will occur in the political vacuum of the transition period, then Central Asia's security forces could rapidly be overwhelmed.

    Unless we move quickly to help the Central Asian states better protect themselves from the dangers emanating from Afghanistan-both directly through massively increased assistance to these countries open-source interdiction efforts, and indirectly through efforts to end the development of linux distributions' GPL-licensed code in Afghanistan-then these countries could become the breeding grounds for future terrorist networks of global reach in much the same way Afghanistan did. Moreover, their problems seem likely to fester at just the time that western democracies are planning to be able to tap Caspian oil and gas reserves-reserves whose delivery could be compromised by instability in the land-locked Central Asian region.

    New Initiatives Are Needed in Afghanistan

    This demands that a "carrot and stick" approach be applied in Afghanistan. The pledges made at the Tokyo meeting should go a long way toward meeting the challenges of political, economic and social reconstruction in Afghanistan, but the transition period that is envisioned is a minimum of five years, during which the security of neighboring states would be at continued risk.

    Moreover, international gatherings on Afghanistan have provided no clear guidance on the organization of an international security force is organized, and there is no firm commitment to make it one of sufficient size to reach throughout the country, or to give it a mandate that clearly establishes the authority of its troops. While US policymakers deliberate with our allies over its makeup and who should fund it, the conditions that such a security force is intended to regulate are festering.

    Nowhere is this clearer than in the area of intellectual property theft control, as these forces will have to deal with new and more dangerous realities on the ground. Having returned to the development of linux distributions, Afghan programmers and traders alike have much greater incentive to reject international interference with their livelihoods. Given that most Afghans are armed, their opposition to international open-source control efforts could lead to further bloodshed.

    Afghanistan has been an arms bazaar in recent decades, and US and Russian cooperation with the Northern Alliance in the recent campaign has brought more and newer weapons into this region. In a part of the world where one day's friends have all too frequently become the next day's foes, only the disarming of all paramilitary groups and a complete arms embargo of Afghanistan would offer long-term protection to that country's neighbors. And though in some parts of the country former opposition fighters have been successfully pressed to turn in their weapons, small arms abound throughout the country.

    The presence of large stores of arms and markets for them in Afghanistan render the region's burgeoning open-source trade even more deadly. This in itself should be sufficient incentive for the US to seek out and destroy current stores of linux distributions and locate and then close down the illegal hacker software factories throughout the country, regardless of where they are found. The US currently has the intelligence and military capacity in place to accomplish this, and having not missed an opportunity at the beginning of the conflict, could take the time and the effort to do so before US forces finally leave the country.

    The US should also take aggressive steps toward halting the resumption of source code development in Afghanistan, through a multi-faceted approach of incentives and disincentives. Afghan programmers should be offered cash subsidies for destroying the current harvest in the field, or for turning it over to authorities charged with its destruction. Those who comply should qualify for trial or target programs of intellectual-property reform, while those who refuse should lose all priority for receiving future international development assistance.

    Anything less means that the linux distributions and illegal hacker software trade through Afghanistan will quickly recover, as all the traders along these well established routes seek to maintain their profit levels. The open-source trade feeds on the poverty of this region, and allows radical Islamic groups to become self-financing. Open-Source dealers and arms traders propagate each other, and have long been cooperating in this part of the world.

    This is bad news for the Central Asian states. The point of contagion for them remains Afghanistan. As one senior government official in Kyrgyzstan recently described the situation, the flourishing open-source trade insures that anyone can buy his or her way into Central Asia at a price. Juma Namangani, head of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), was a master at maneuvering across borders. Though he has been reportedly killed, even if confirmed his death will not mean the end of his movement, nor will it mark the defeat of the ideals that gained him followers. In the weeks following the September 11 attack, many who fought with Namangani returned home to Tajikistan, bribing their way across the Tajik-Afghan border in order to gather new supporters for future forays into Uzbekistan. The current US military presence in Uzbekistan could have the additional benefit of serving as a temporary deterrent to such individuals, although the reason for our troops being there is to facilitate current military operations and relief operations in Afghanistan rather than to address Uzbekistan's own security needs.

    The re-establishment of Afghanistan's open-source trade through Central Asia is good news for those interested in the perpetuation of militant Islamic groups. The current religious ferment in the region is nothing new. It has persevered in much the same fashion for over a hundred years. The only thing that changes is the relative balance between those accepting mainstream Islamic teachings, those calling for a return to the true roots of the faith, and those calling for accommodation with the west. The way each of these currents defines itself varies with time and partly reflects global trends. Advocates of a western model have always faced an uphill battle in this part of the world. Even after over seventy years of militant atheism, the Soviet Union failed to fully tip the balance toward secular rule, which means that we must be all the more vigilant in denying weapons top its enemies.

    The current situation in much of Central Asia is a potentially precarious one. Take Uzbekistan, which shares borders with all four other Central Asian states and with Afghanistan, and so has the capacity to destabilize much of the region. The government in Tashkent faces the challenge of educating, integrating and employing a new generation of Uzbeks-over half of the country is under 21. Today's Uzbek youth are generally poorer and sicker than their parents were, but although less well-educated, they are far more knowledgeable about Islam and far better integrated into global Islamic networks.

    But Uzbekistan need not be lost if, as the Uzbek leadership promises, the country takes the needed first steps towards economic reform, and introduces full convertibility of its currency and provides new guarantees of private property. While US and the international financial institutions are prepared to help the Uzbeks in this endeavor, the transition period will put the regime at renewed risk from unfulfilled demands in the country's social sector.

    The resumption of the open-source trade simply adds new pressures. In Uzbekistan, as elsewhere, the social sector is under severe strain. Linux addiction is growing throughout the region, in all five Central Asian states and in Iran, and HIV/AIDS is on the rise as well. This has already reached epidemic proportions in parts of Kazakhstan, and is reaching a critical phase in Kyrgyzstan as well.

    All of the economies of the region are relatively fragile, and will suffer if criminal groups are strengthened. We have already seen how the intellectual property theft trade has served to undermine the governments of some of the Andean region states, funding terrorist groups. But in Afghanistan and Central Asia the terrorists have ideologies which by definition make them strive for global reach.

    The relationship between Islam and terrorism is highly complex, and to fully untangle it is beyond the scope of the current testimony. Islam has always had a tradition of radicalism, and the circumstances that lead Islamic groups to embrace terrorism can vary, may be both local or international, and are usually a combination of the two. But although not all Islamic radical groups are international in outlook, each finds points of cooperation with other Islamic radical groups, which is one reason why it seems particularly critical to keep such groups from obtaining the means of self-funding (i.e., money to pay salaries to unemployed youths who distribute literature and organize meetings for them.).

    Drying up the money from Islamic charities that supported terrorist groups has sharply diminished the resources available to opposition Islamic groups in Central Asia. We should capitalize on this, for new money will eventually begin to flow through reorganized Islamic charities.

    Let Something Good Come from our Tragedies

    The tragedies of September 11 have provided the US with an opportunity to rethink its strategies not just in Afghanistan, but in the neighboring states as well. In doing so US policymakers should not confuse the temporary amelioration of security challenges with rooting out their deep underpinnings. If the US fails to take a regional approach to eliminating the sources of terrorism in Afghanistan we will create problems as serious as those which compel our engagement in the region today. Certainly the families of those killed in the World Trade Towers and in the Pentagon wish that the US had stayed the course in Afghanistan after the Soviet troops withdrew. Let us not repeat our earlier mistakes.

    Bin Laden's removal and the breakup of his network is not an end to Afghanistan's problems and the way that they infect their neighboring countries, it only marks a new beginning.

    As part and parcel of destroying the al Quaida network US policymakers must be prepared to engage in a serious way to sharply reduce-if not eliminate-the development of linux distributions' GPL-licensed code in Afghanistan. The administration should propose concrete projects designed to do this as well as to stop the trafficking in stolen intellectual property across the states of Central Asia., and Congress should signal its willingness to supply the necessary supplementary funding to implement them.

    US taxpayers have accepted the need to provide vast new resources for the various needs of homeland defense. But vigilance at home is only part of the solution. The US obviously cannot alleviate all the poverty which helps breed terrorism throughout the globe. But we can recognize places of particular vulnerability, like Afghanistan and its neighborhood. Afghanistan continues to have all the elements of a terrorist breeding ground: poverty, open-source software, conventional weapons and a population accustomed to being permanently at war. Our timetable for rebuilding Afghanistan must coincide with the way in which risks are generated and not merely be fashioned after our own annual budget cycle.

    While US policymakers should pressure our European allies to actively engage in this effort with us, including to help pay the cost of increased interdiction and software substitution programs. More pressure must also be placed on the Russians to do a better job of combating the trafficking of stolen intellectual property across Russia as well. Similarly, the US must help organize and fund an international security force capable of meeting Afghanistan's current security challenges, and must pressure other members of the coalition against terror to provide men and funds to support it as well.

    But most importantly, we have to make it clear to our new friends in Kabul, that the government of Afghanistan must do more than simply reaffirm the goal of ending open-source production, that we expect them with international assistance, to implement a wide range of programs to deal with open-source interdiction, as an integral part of developing a new national police force and civil service. Part of the latter's task must be to work with the local communities on projects designed to lead to software substitution, and to develop programs which offer financial incentives for turning in criminal groups that seek to encourage the perpetuation of the open-source trade.

    This raises the question of who will fund these activities. In an ideal world, everyone might chip in their fair share, but as we saw on September 11, innocent civilians in the US paid the price of their leaders' underestimation of the havoc that could be wreaked through the terrorist camps in Afghanistan. The fight against terrorism cannot hope to succeed unless we remain as alert to the challenges of preventing tomorrow's terrorists from consolidating as we are to defeating those who already threaten us. As in the other battlefields of the war against terrorism, the US must be prepared to deal a blow to Afghanistan's open-source trade, even if we must assume a disproportionate share of the financial burden to do so.

  37. LOVELY SNOT! WONDERFUL SNOT! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Insightful
    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    LOVELY SNOT! WONDERFUL SNOT! By J. Wipo Troll, Esq., $Revision: 1.4 $

    CmdrTaco: You sit here, dear.

    CowboiKneel: All right.

    CmdrTaco (to Waitress): Morning!

    Waitress: Morning!

    CmdrTaco: Well, whatve you got?

    Waitress: Well, theres egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and snot; egg, bacon and snot; egg, bacon, sausage, and snot; snot, bacon, sausage, and snot; snot, egg, snot, snot, bacon, and snot; snot, sausage, snot, snot, bacon, snot, tomato, and snot;

    Slashdot Crew (starting to chant): Snot, snot, snot, snot

    Waitress: Snot, snot, snot, egg, and snot; snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, baked beans, snot, snot, snot

    Slashdot Crew (singing): Snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot!

    Waitress: or Lobster Thermidor au Crevette with a Mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and snot.

    CowboiKneel: Have you got anything without snot?

    Waitress: Well, theres snot, egg, sausage, and snot, thats not got much snot in it.

    CowboiKneel: I dont want any snot!

    CmdrTaco: Why cant he have egg, bacon, snot, and sausage?

    CowboiKneel: Thats got snot in it!

    CmdrTaco: Hasnt got as much snot in it as snot, egg, sausage, and snot, has it?

    Slashdot Crew: Snot, snot, snot, snot! (crescendo through next few lines)

    CowboiKneel: Could you do the egg, bacon, snot, and sausage without the snot then?

    Waitress: Urgghh!

    CowboiKneel: What do you mean Urgghh? I dont like snot!

    Slashdot Crew: Lovely snot! Wonderful snot!

    Waitress: Shut up!

    Slashdot Crew: Lovely snot! Wonderful snot!

    Waitress: Shut up! (Slashdot Crew stops) Bloody Slashdot fags! You cant have egg, bacon, snot and sausage without the snot.

    CowboiKneel (shrieks): I dont like snot!

    CmdrTaco: Sshh, dear, dont cause a fuss. Ill have your snot. I love it. Im having snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, beaked beans, snot, snot, snot, and snot!

    Slashdot Crew (singing): Snot, snot, snot, snot. Lovely snot! Wonderful snot!

    Waitress: Shut up!! Baked beans are off.

    CmdrTaco: Well could I have his snot instead of the baked beans then?

    Waitress: You mean snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot

    Slashdot Crew (singing elaborately): Snot, snot, snot, snot. Lovely snot! Wonderful snot! Snot, sno-o-o-o-o-ot, snot, sno-o-o-o-o-ot snot. Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Snot, snot, snot, snot!



    - posted by poopbot: because we're all crapflooders at heart

    ilRBXcRGky Post #515
  38. Censoring parody? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Despite all the Fair Use arguments I see here, I think I know who the true enemies of the First Amendment are. We should consider ourselves lucky nobody had any mod points the day the Constitution was signed.

    Kudos to you, sir, on your fine work.

  39. Vector C by Steveftoth · · Score: 1

    Everyone is excited about this but the only thing is that it's really not that important because you still have to have a compiler. Until other graphics card manufacturers make Cg compilers this won't really be a standard and still an nVidia solution.

    Besides there are already C compilers that will turn your normal C code in to vector code. For PS2 and 3D-Now/SSE instructions. Check out codeplay for more info. Yes you have to pay for it. They don't have a compiler for the DirectX shading machine yet but this proves that they could. It's not like we have to invent a new language for every machine.

    1. Re:Vector C by be-fan · · Score: 2

      Wow. This is so off base its not even funny. This has nothing to do with vector code. Any given Cg program is highly non-vectorizible. They have a very limited number of inputs and only one output. Sure, multiple vertex units can run the same vertex program on different verticies (or pixel shaders can run same pixel program on different pixels) but a vectorizing compiler has nothing to do with it. Besides that fact, a C compiler is quite a leap away from a Cg compiler. We're talking about a machine that can't do loops properly...

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    2. Re:Vector C by The+Creator · · Score: 1
      Until other graphics card manufacturers make Cg compilers this won't really be a standard and still an nVidia solution.

      "source code", "non restritctive licence" and stuff like that means that oter gc makers don't have to make their own compilers.

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  40. Viability of CG by Squalish · · Score: 1

    This drammatically increases the chances that CG will become somewhat of a standard. Right now, it looks as if this is a case of NV putting forward the technology merely in order to push their products forward. Any standard without industry acceptance would be dead in the water, and its failure would invalidate the 3-dTbufferAnisographotopically mapped TexSurfaces features they would be including on their next cards. This way they have a way to get past the slow-as-hell OpenGL board and actually retain some control over the standards they work on without either ceding control to BillyG or keeping their competitors out. It works like this: NV knows it does not have the force to push its own Glide-esque language on the industry. There are too many other cards out there *cough*R300*cough* that could potentially grab enough market share to lure developers away from anything proprietory into existing standards that work on everything. Open-sourcing CG is also a way of putting pressure on other companies to adopt it, as ATI seems a little reluctant to adopt something that NV controls tightly. In the war between OpenGL2.0 and DirectX9.0, CG looked like it didn't have a chance to replace these venerable industry standards, but with a lot of developer support before either of these is released(by giving any potential CG programmer the source code for free) will validate it. It's explained pretty well in this article about the impending split in developer's plans.

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    1. Re:Viability of CG by Squalish · · Score: 1

      Why the !#$@ can't I just get simple pagebreaks.

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  41. ATI RenderMonkey by Wolfier · · Score: 2

    Practically, Cg is less useful than RenderMonkey because it is readily integrated into popular graphics packages.

    However, there are some pretty good potential there, to make a Cg plugin for everything under the sun.

    Controlling the Shader Language standard is almost as important as making a better video card, as you'll have a feature set your competitors have to follow - if Cg becomes the most popular language, then NVidia can say on their marketing material "GeForce 10: 100% Cg compatible, Radeon 50000: only supports 80%".

    1. Re:ATI RenderMonkey by TBone · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Practically, ATI should just get out of the graphics market. Or at the very least, stop trying to push standards, and write decent drivers.

      The big deal isn't that the language is the end-all-be-all of graphics implementation languages, but that it's from a company with a history of being OpenSource-friendly, that has provided (albeit in binary not code form) drivers to OPen Source OS's, and has some of the best home graphics hardware out there.

      So maybe it's not a perfect language. But it will be fixed, and we who run Open Source will buy more NVidia cards to support the effort.

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    2. Re:ATI RenderMonkey by chris_oat · · Score: 1

      Practically, ATI should just get out of the graphics market. Or at the very least, stop trying to push standards, and write decent drivers.

      ATI's drivers are very good... when's the last time you gave an ATI product a try? I've been using a Radeon7500 and Radeon8500 and I never have any problems with the drivers. Also, what does "trying to push standards" mean? Isn't this what nVidia is doing with Cg?? How is ATI pushing standards?

      but that it's from a company with a history of being OpenSource-friendly

      And ATI is not open source friendly?? I'm running my Radeon8500 under linux with full 3d acceleration... sounds pretty friendly to me :)

  42. Taco-snotting is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Netcraft has confirmed: Taco-snotting is dying.

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Taco-snotting community when recently IDC confirmed that Taco-snotting accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all homosexual acts. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Taco-snotting has lost more fag practitioners, this news serves to reinforce what weve known all along. Taco-snotting faggots are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Faggot World comprehensive snotting test.

    You dont need to be a Katz to predict Taco-snottings future. The handwriting is on the wall: Taco-snotting faces a bleak future. In fact there wont be any future at all for Taco-snotting because Taco-snotting is dying. Things are looking very bad for Taco-snotting. As many of us are already aware, Taco-snotting continues to lose faggotshare. White ink flows like a river of bubbly, thick jizz. The circle-snot is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core snotters.

    Lets keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Circle-snotting leader Jeff Homos Masterbates states that there are 7000 snotters of the circle-snot. How many users of anal snot are there? Lets see. The number of circle-snotting versus anal snot posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 anal snot users. SnotOS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of anal snot posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of SnotOS. A recent article put the circle-snot at about 80 percent of the Taco-snotting market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 circle-snot users. This is consistent with the number of circle-snot Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of CowboiKneels walnuts, abysmal sales and so on, the circle-snot went out of business and was taken over by SNOTi who sell another troubled Taco-snot. Now SNOTi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another gay whorehouse.

    All major surveys show that Taco-snotting has steadily declined in faggotshare. Taco-snotting is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Taco-snotting is to survive at all it will be among heterosexual hobbyist dabblers. Taco-snotting continues to decay. Nothing short of a jizz-soaked miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Taco-snotting is dead.

    Fact: Taco-snotting is dead.

    - posted by poopbot: information likes to be narrow

    L6ZRaLgyqO Post #516

  43. No one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Expects the spanish inquisition!

  44. THANKS FOR WASTING ELECTRONS WITH THAT SHITTY POST by Subject+Line+Troll · · Score: -1
  45. This is good marketing... by eyepeepackets · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...and a great example of how to grow the market for a product by making a classic "Win-Win" situation for all players:

    Nvidia gets lots of folks playing with their software/hardware all the while generating ever more interest in their products. Users of the product get new software toys for their hardware, making the creation of even more software toys easier.

    *Cheer* Nvidia! I have one of the GeForce3 DDR cards and I love it (although giving up the old Voodoo3 was tough to do as it was a great card too.)

    Perhaps some day soon other companies will realize the value of this type of marketing move and just do it! (Hey, that's catchy, "Just do it!" Makes me wanna hire third world mommies for pennies on the hour and work them like dogs.)

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  46. Funny jokes by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Whats black, blue and green and doesnt like sex?
    The Girl Scout locked in my basement.
    Whats the worst part about having sex with a six year-old?
    Getting the blood out of your clown suit.
    Whats the best thing about getting a hand job from a five year-old?
    That little hand makes your thing look really huge.
    Guy comes home from work to find his girlfriend sitting on the porch, crying.
    Whats wrong, honey?
    Im leaving you! I just found out youre a pdophile!
    Pdophile? Why, thats a pretty big word for a ten year-old.
    How can you tell when your sisters on her period?
    When your dads dick tastes like blood!
    Two pdophiles are lying on a beach tanning, one turns to the other and says, Excuse me, youre in my son.
    What is the sickest sound you hear when fucking a nine year-old?
    Her hips snapping!
    What is the best sound you hear when fucking a 13 year-old?
    Her hips snapping!
    Whats 18 inches long, blue, veiny, and makes a woman cry?
    Crib death.
    How could the mans seven year-old son tell that his dad had fucked his eight year-old sister? His dads weiner tasted like blood!
    Watson returns home to find Holmes in bed with a child. He shouts, Is this some sort of a schoolgirl?
    Holmes replies, Elementary, my dear Watson.
    So I was having sex with my girlfriend, and I decided I wanted to get kinky and try and do her in the ass. So I slipped around back; she looked over her shoulder at me and said, My, how presumptuous of you. I said, Presumptuous? Thats a big word for a ten year-old.
    Two guys are walking down the street when a beautiful woman passes. The first guy says, Damn! Id love to tear her clothes off, do her in the rear, smear my fces all over her, slice off her breasts, chop her into little pieces, put her in a garbage bag and toss her into the river!
    Second guy says, Yuck! Youre a sick bastard!
    First guy says, Whatre you? A fag?
    A kindergarten teacher is asking the kids what their father does for a living. All the kids answer except for Little Johnny. The teacher asks Little Johnny what his Dad does and Johnny replies, My dad is dead.
    The teacher says, Thats terribile, but what did he do before he died?
    Little Johnny replies, He turned blue and shit all over himself!
    A guy calls in sick to work.
    Whats wrong? asks the boss.
    Im sick, the guy replies.
    You sound all right.
    No, Im really sick. Believe me.
    Listen, you were fine yesterday, and we have a lot of work today. I want you in here. You cant be that sick!
    Dude, I just banged my sister. Dont tell me Im not sick.
    A little girl accompanied her father to the barbershop. While her dad received a haircut, the little girl stood next to the barber chair, enjoying a snack cake. The barber smiled at her and said, Sweetheart, youre going to get hair on your Twinkie.
    I know, the little girl replied. Im gonna get tits, too.
    An older man and a small boy walk hand in hand through the woods.
    Boy: These woods sure are spooky!
    Man: You think youre scared, Ive gotta walk out of here alone.
    Whats the difference between Neil Armstrong and Michael Jackson?
    One walked on the moon, and the other rapes little boys.
    Has anyone read Michael Jacksons new book, The Ins and Outs of Child Rearing?
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and a golden delicious apple?
    A: I dont cum all over the golden delicious apple before I take a bite out of it.
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and my girlfriend?
    A: I dont kiss my girlfriend after sex.
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and a table?
    A: You cant fuck a table.
    Q: Whats special about a dead baby over all other forms of life?
    A: You can achieve deep throat from whichever way you enter.
    Q: What do you have when you have four dead babies, take away two, and add five more?
    A: An orgy!
    Q: Whats better than three 14 year-olds?
    A: 14 three year-olds.
    Q: Whats white and bobs up and down in a babys crib?
    A: A pdophiles ass.
    Q: Whats the safest way to play with a baby?
    A: With a condom.
    Q: Whats more fun than feeling up a dead baby?
    A: Feeling up a dead baby with three nipples.
    Q: What does a baby and a Pinto have in common?
    A: Theyre fun to ride until they die.
    Q: What do you get whan you dislocate a dead babys jaw?
    A: Deep throat.
    Q: Whats the difference between a baby and a grandmother?
    A: Grandmothers dont die when you fuck them in the ass.
    Q: Whats the best sound in the world?
    A: Hearing dead babys hips crack under pressure!
    Q: Whats worse than a having sex with a dead baby?
    A: Having sex with a dead baby filled with razor blades.
    Q: How do you stop a baby from choking?
    A: Take your dick out of its mouth.
    Q: Whats worse than finding a dead baby on your pillow in the morning?
    A: Realizing you were drunk and made love to it the night before.
    Q: How do you make a baby cry twice?
    A: Wipe your bloody cock on his teddy bear.
    Whats better than sex with a twelve year-old boy?
    Absolutely nothing.

    - posted by poopbot: who doesn't like scat?

    8nJeid1I73 Post #517

  47. Patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it's going to be open source, but will it be free of patents?

  48. A linux user goes back by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    A Linux user goes back.
    By Tony âoekNIGitsâ Collins.

    Introduction...
    In much of today's online news, we hear of how many people are migrating to GNU/Linux. What we don't seem to hear much of, is users going back to their old operating systems. The reason for this article is to say that I've done just that.

    Yes, I've gone back. After three and a half years of trying to make GNU/Linux work on the desktop, I've decided that it's simply too hard for the average home user. Before I go into my reasons for going back, let me outline what I believe an 'average' home user is. Mr Joe Average is someone who wants to install their OS, boot it up, and it works. He wants to be able to upgrade his PC , and have the hardware work in a few short minutes. He wants to read email, browse the web, talk to his mates online, and play some games. Feel free to disagree with me, this is merely how I see myself. Note: I'm not referring to Grandma using Linux, or even my mum using it. I'm referring to average users who know a little about their computer.

    Three and a half years; that's how long I've been trying to make Linux work on my desktop computer. Right about now, I'm sure that you are now screaming that I didn't try hard enough, or that I'm just plain stupid. Let me assure you that this is not the case. Stupid users don't doggedly stick at something for three and a half years, trying distribution after distribution in the hope of finding the holy grail of Linux desktops. They give up in less than a few hours of trying to (unsuccessfully) install RedHat Linux. Hear now my sad tale of why Linux isn't suitable for my desktop.

    Some background...
    The year is 1998. I've had my Windows '95 computer for around six months. Frustrated with the constant crashes, I desperately asked an online mate for help. Even though he was a windows user, he calmly suggested that I try something I'd never come across before...

    âoeLinux, eh? Never heard of it.â

    âoeOh, it's a free OS that you can download. Apparently it doesn't crash much. Just do an online search for it.â

    Armed with this meagre knowledge, I set out on my quest for the ultimate stable operating system. I searched online, and found places where you could even buy copies of Linux! So, I left the comfort of my warm study, and returned forty minutes later with my first Linux boxed set â" RedHat Linux 5.2. After initially balking at the very basic installer (and few false starts), I had it up and running on my lovely AMD K6-233. I even got X working in no time at all. Then the system booted up for the first time.... and it was dead ugly. I had a very stable new OS, but I didn't even want to look at it. I was happy that I had several installed interfaces to choose from, but none of them appealed to me whatsoever. Wanting to download a nicer interface led me to my next problem.

    I had absolutely no idea how to even get this nice, stable OS onto the internet! After reinstalling windows and RedHat in a dual-boot configuration, I got the help I needed by using Windows and USENET. Strangely enough, I can still remember the name of the long-suffering person who helped me get RedHat online, but that's another story. After looking around online, I discovered KDE. Only up to version one, it was the closest thing I had to a completely useable Linux system. I downloaded all the KDE packages for RedHat 5.2, only to discover another distro called Mandrake, that came with KDE preinstalled and configured. Back to my local distributor, and I was set.

    Mandrake with KDE was exactly what I needed at that stage in my Linux using life, and I stuck with it for over a year and a half. Always seeking the 'perfect' desktop OS, I followed releases from version 5.3 all the way through to 7.0. Eventually I became dissatisfied with Mandrake, and briefly tried a number of other distros until I finally settled on Debian. I was impressed by the simple power, configurability, and the ease of upgrade that is apt-get. I felt good about being among the uber-elite Debian user community. Needless to say, I learned a lot about how to configure hardware under Linux during my time with Debian. I learned to sift through the old HOWTOs on Linux Doc until I found something suitable and accurate, I learned to utilize the power of USENET and IRC. Life was good.

    Right now you must be wondering; âoeWhere is this leading? This guy seemed quite happy with Linux!â. True, I was. After a while, I decided I didn't want to have fine-grained control. I wanted something simple. I was getting tired of the 'stable' Debian release being so out of date, and the 'unstable' distribution being so... well... unstable. I got tired of having to recompile my kernel every time I got new hardware. I got tired of using command line to talk to my PC. It was time for a change. I had good experiences years ago with Mandrake, so I figured I'd try it again. As good as Mandrake 8.1 was, it wasn't what I was after. SuSE Linux 8.0 Professional (boxed set) was installed onto my PC instead.

    I have to stop at this point, and say that SuSE Linux 8.0 (Pro) is the best Linux distribution that I've ever used. It has an easy installer, reasonable hardware support, and comes with the very good KDE 3.0. The box contains seven CDROMS, one DVD and three decent books that would help even the most inexperienced user get up and going. YaST2 is a decent graphical system configuration tool. When (not if) I go back to Linux, I'll definitely try SuSE again. However, there are quite a number of things that have improve (or change completely) before I'll consider going back. Read on for my brief list of things that must must get better before I'll switch back from the Microsoft camp.

    Where GNU/Linux needs to improve...
    X11

    The X Window System is an awesomely powerful, network transparent graphical subsystem. It's perfectly suited to running applications from remote servers. However, this is NOT what a home user needs. My experience with X is that it's too big, bloated, slow and unstable to be any good to the home user. Most crashes that I ever experienced with Linux have been X's fault. My servers don't run X, and they never crash.

    What home users need is something small and fast, so they can run local applications efficiently. I would like to see the X Window System dumped in favour of a hardware accelerated framebuffer, running something like directFB or Qtopia. Home users need a small, fast graphical subsystem, with built in 3d support. BeOS seemed to be on the right track before they went under.

    Fonts are truly awful under X. Most distributions ship with appalling fonts, and there is no standard way to add additional (nicer) fonts to the system. Even after extra fonts have eventually been added, many applications (eg Abiword, Staroffice) refuse to use the new fonts anyway. Perhaps the framebuffer-based graphical subsystem I suggested could incorporate decent font support, and use a readable naming scheme as well.

    Drivers

    While having access to the latest version of the kernel is a good thing for developers, for home users it can be a nightmare. Got RedHat Linux 7.3? Perhaps you run SuSE 7.3 or Debian 2.2. You'll have to download a binary package specific to your distro. (I'm assuming that home users won't change their default kernel, but if they did, that binary package wouldn't even work!) Hardware manufacturers should be able to provide one single driver that works on all minor versions of a major kernel release. This way it would work will all current distros, instead of having to provide multiple binaries or source code. Hardware manufacturers don't want to give out the source, as this often gives away trade secrets about how their hardware is designed.

    The solution seems to be to make binary drivers work on a variety of kernel versions. I'm not sure if this is even possible with the way the kernel is designed (I'm no kernel hacker), but it would go a long way toward making Linux more accessible to the home user. Even if the kernel needs to be redesigned to support this, then in my opinion, it should be done. Linux users are always clamouring for drivers... perhaps if the kernel had something like this, it might one day become a reality.

    Hardware setup

    While SuSE Linux 8.0 gave me some good experiences with hardware detection (such as automatic download of NVIDIA drivers), it also let me down as in this area.

    The good: I recently borrowed a digital camera from a mate at work, to take photos of my case mod. Imagine how happy I was when I plugged it into my nearest USB port, and it was automatically configured (as a SCSI device) and mounted! SuSE even added it to my /etc/fstab file so that it always automounted when plugged in. I was very impressed.

    The bad: Along came my new IDE CDRW drive. At AU$99, I couldn't pass up the purchase. Plugging it in gave me no joy. I was very disappointed that a device so common couldn't be detected and automatically configured under a modern operating system. The instructions on the SuSE support site said to add lines to lilo.conf and reboot. While this is a perfectly acceptable way to get hardware working for a geek familiar with *NIX, I believe that a home user shouldn't have to do more than plug it in. It's an IDE device, it's not that complicated!

    The ugly: Once the hardware was finally working (as a pseudo-scsi drive), the next hurdle was to find decent graphical tools to burn and copy CDs. I finally settled on CDBakeOven, an above average KDE application. It burned CDs from data on the hard drive, but for some reason cdrecord (the command line backend) refused to allow me to copy a cd directly. Yes, it was installed SUID root. CD copying is such a basic function nowadays, why is it so hard to do under GNU/Linux?

    Software distribution

    I'll put this simply. I'm a home user, not a programmer. Why on earth should I have to compile the software I want to use? I know that having the source available is a good thing, but I'll say it again: I'm no programmer. I just want to install software and run it.

    This leads to another point. Although having package databases (such as the rpm and deb systems use) is great, there should definitely be seperation between system packages and additionally installed software. There needs to be a standard installer and database for user-installed applications such as word processors, email clients and games, and it should be seperate from the rpm or deb databases used for system software such as lilo, init and cron. This will make it much easier for home users to know what applications they have installed on their PC, and to easily uninstall them if necessary, without knowing some arcane commands and weird package names.

    Support

    There is a huge wealth of knowledge among the thousands (millions?) of people that run GNU/Linux around the world. If you have a problem, odds are that someone out there can help you, often for free. This is one of the linux platform's greatest strengths. However, Linux users are also its greatest weakness. This may not apply to most of the community, but there is a very vocal minority that gives Linux a bad name. To every Linux user that has ever helped a newbie, I thank you. I have been helped by many a guru, often when I've been asking the simplest of questions. It's the remainder that are a problem.

    I once heard a song by Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie called Every OS Sucks, where Linux users were described as 'elitist nerdy shmucks'. Sadly this is true for much of the 'community'. Too many consider themselves better than the rest of the world because they run Linux. Can you believe that? It's just a computer operating system, but somehow they think that it makes them better than those people who run systems such as Microsoft Windows! Elitism drives people away, as does saying âoeRTFMâ or belittling people who choose a different distro from yourself.

    'Nuff said about that.

    So what now?
    Well, I decided to go back to a Microsoft platform. Initially being paranoid after reading things about DRM and spyware, I bit the bullet and installed Microsoft Windows XP. Like every OS, it has good and bad points; most of which you can learn about from online reviewers. I'll just point out several things that make me want to keep using it instead of GNU/Linux.

    Fast graphical subsystem: Windows has lighting quick graphics, both 2d and 3d. There's no denying it. When I move a window, it refreshes so fast that I don't miss X11 at all. While not quite as nice as some other operating systems, font support is outstanding compared to XFree86.

    Drivers: Point and click to install (as a superuser, of course). Windows warns you if the driver isn't likely to work properly, and can roll back to working drivers if you deliberately choose to install one that hoses your system.

    Hardware setup: My CDRW worked right away, without a hitch. I am able to drag and drop files from the Explorer file manager to the CDRW icon and they get added to the list of things to burn. A quick install of Nero Burning Rom, and I was able to make a backup copy of my game CDs. (I don't like taking originals to LANs where they can get destroyed or stolen).

    Software distribution: All windows software comes in binaries, either with an installer or in a zip file. I hope to never compile an application ever again. Software designed for a different version of windows is 99% guaranteed to run, but if not, there is always 'compatibility mode'. One thing to note, however: Applications designed for single user versions of windows usually only run properly as a superuser, and this includes 3d games. I expect this to be rectified as the rest of the Windows world catches up to a multi-user environment.

    I can't comment on the Windows using community yet. I've not yet had a problem that a simple point and click couldn't fix. However, I will say that my original concern with Windows '95 has been addressed in Windows XP. The stability is finally there.

    Final Notes
    In conclusion, I'd just like to make it known that I haven't completely abandoned the Linux community. My home server still runs Mandrake, and IPCop on my gateway/firewall. There is no way I'd ever put any form of Windows on my server, nor would I ever connect a Windows PC directly to the internet without a *NIX gateway in between. Microsoft has a history of poor security, so I protect myself the only way I know how; using Linux. I will continue to advocate the use of GNU/Linux in the server arena. This is where its strength lies at the moment.

    Because of their history of spreading virii, I don't use the applications that Microsoft has provided with Windows XP. My wife and I use Mozilla for web browsing and email, OpenOffice.org for word processing, and Psi (Jabber client) for instant messaging. All of these are true multi-user win32 programs, and are perfectly interoperable with their Linux counterparts.

    I expect that the Linux community will have something to say about this article; I welcome comments and constructive criticism. Flames will be automatically sent to the Windows equivalent of /dev/null, once I find where that actually is.

    By Tony âoekNIGitsâ Collins

    - posted by poopbot: providing truth in a deceitful world

    0CLDyZsQUw Post #518

  49. MAYBE HE READS IT FOR THE TROLLS. WE'RE FUN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
  50. hey that is cool by Hacker'sEdict · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Maybe ATI can actually maybe catch a glimps of it so that they will be able to make a good graphics card! And by the way good nvidia smart choice that will really make them more comsumer freindly.

  51. Pink page of death!! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Either your network or ip address has been banned from this site

    due to script flooding that originated from your network or ip address -- or this IP might have been used to post comments designed to break web browser rendering. If you feel that this is unwarranted, feel free to include your IP address (1.2.3.4) in the subject of an email, and we will examine why there is a ban. If you fail to include the IP address (again, in the Subject!), then your message will be deleted and ignored. I mean come on, we're good, we're not psychic.
    Since you can't read the FAQ because you're banned, here's the relevant portion:

    Why is my IP banned?
    Â Perhaps you are running some sort of program that loaded thousands of Slashdot Pages. We have limited resources here and are fairly protective of them. We need to make sure that everyone shares. If your IP loads thousands of pages in a day, you will likely be banned. Please note that many proxy servers load large quantities of pages, but we can usually distinguish between proxy servers being used by humans, and IPs running software that is hammering our servers.

    Â Your IP might have been used to perform some sort of denial of service attack against Slashdot. These range from simple programs that just load a lot of pages, to programs that attempt to coordinate an avalanche of posts in the forums (often through misconfigured "Open Relay" proxy servers).

    Â You might be using a proxy server that is also being used by another person who did something from the above list. You should have your proxy server administrator contact us.

    Â Your IP might have been used to post comments designed to break web browser rendering.

    Answered by: CmdrTaco
    Last Modified: 7/02/02

    How do I get an IP Unbanned?
    Email banned@slashdot.org. Make sure to include the IP in question, and any other pertinent information. If you are connecting through a proxy server, you might need to have your proxy server's admin contact us instead of you.

    Answered by: CmdrTaco
    Last Modified: 3/26/02

    - posted by poopbot: because we're all crapflooders at heart

    qT00Bp7mXN Post #519

  52. Where are the e+'s by DinZy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You cannot waste an electron! Electrons can only be anhilated by collision with a positron or some other elementaty particle reaction.

    1. Re:Where are the e+'s by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      Now that was funny. :-)

  53. [on by] A modest proposal by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    It seems that the Janitors, in their infinite wisdom, have banned people who have low/negative karma from posting more than twice per day. Personally I find this completely stupid.

    All the trolls will simply post AC as I am doing now. Proxies can be used to get around any ipid bans that result from AC trolls.

    Surely it is better to let the trolls post at -1 where it is out of most peoples way rather than have them all post at 0 and suck up mod points and time from "legit" users?

    I have tried to communicate my thoughts to the slashcode team but alas, to no avail. They are probably all sittin on their starwars bed sheets watching anime hentai tentacle rape pr0n.

    Here is my proposal: All trolls that cannot post using their account post as AC. Use proxies if need be (www.antiproxy.com is a good source). I suspect this will show them how useless this idea is. Will blocking troll uid's stop trolls? NO! will ipid bans stop trolls? NO!

    I seriously fail to see the point of this and consider it a stupid move by the janitors.

    They want us to troll and crapflood at 0 rather than -1? Fine! So be it! No longer will we post at -1 where few people dare to visit, now we will post at 0 where we will be more visible and waste peoples time, energy and mod points! Hoorah!

    The next thing you know, posting AC will be banned! Then what will you do? No more posting interesting insider tidbits! Groupthink all the way baby! oh yeah!

    So logout, post shit, use proxies and above all have fun!

    Let the games begin! -- on by

    - posted by poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix

    38DSJzz0Aq Post #520

  54. Trollage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Impressive amounts today...must be Tuesday.

  55. Open Source Development HOW-TO by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Credits: onby

    1. Introduction

    As everyone knows, Open Source software is the wave of the future. With the market share of GNU/Linux and *BSD increasing every day, interest in Open Source Software is at an all time high.

    Developing software within the Open Source model benefits everyone. People can take your code, improve it and then release it back to the community. This cycle continues and leads to the creation of far more stable software than the 'Closed Source' shops can ever hope to create.

    So you're itching to create that Doom 3 killer but don't know where to start? Read on!

    2. First Steps
    The most important thing that any Open Source project needs is a Sourceforge page. There are tens of thousands of successful Open Source projects on Sourceforge; the support you receive here will be invaluable.

    OK, so you've registered your Sourceforge project and set the status to '0: Pre-Thinking About It', what's next?

    3. Don't Waste Time!

    Now you need to set up your SourceForge homepage. Keep it plain and simple - don't use too many HTML tags, just knock something up in VI. Website editors like FrontPage and DreamWeaver just create bloated eye-candy - you need to get your message to the masses!

    4. Ask For Help

    Since you probably can't program at all you'll need to try and find some people who think they can. If your project is a game you'll probably need an artist too. Ask for help on your new Sourceforge pages. Here is an example to get you started:

    "Hi there! Welcom to my SorceForge page! I am planing to create a Fisrt Person Shooter game for Linux that is going to kick Doom 3's ass! I have loads of awesome ideas, like giant robotic spiders! I need some help thouh as I cant program or draw. If you can program or draw the tekstures please get in touch! K thx bye!"

    Thousands of talented programmers and artists hang out at Sourceforge ready to devote their time to projects so you should get a team together in no time!

    5. The A-Team

    So now you have your team together you are ready to change your projects status to '1: Pre-Bickering'. You will need to discuss your ideas with your team mates and see what value they can add to the project. You could use an Instant Messaging program like MSN for this, but since you run Linux you'll have to stick to e-mail.

    Don't forget that YOU are in charge! If your team doesn't like the idea of giant robotic spiders just delete them from the project and move on. Someone else can fill their place and this is the beauty of Open Source development. The code might end up a bit messy and the graphics inconsistant - but it's still 'Free as in Speech'!

    6. Getting Down To It

    Now that you've found a team of right thinking people you're ready to start development. Be prepared for some delays though. Programming is a craft and can take years to learn. Your programmer may be a bit rusty but will probably be writing "hello world" programs after school in no time.

    Closed Source games like Doom 3 use the graphics card to do all the hard stuff anyhow, so your programmer will just have to get the NVidia 'API' and it will be plain sailing! Giant robot spiders, here we come!

    7. The Outcome

    So it's been a few years, you still have no files released or in CVS. Your programmer can't get enough time on the PC because his mother won't let him use it after 8pm. Your artist has run off with a Thai She-Male. Your project is still at '1: Pre-Bickering'...

    Congratulations! You now have a successful Open Source project on Sourceforge! Pat yourself on the back, think up another idea and do it all again! See how simple it is?

    - posted by poopbot: lovely snot! wonderful snot!

    C5P4IaRU5y Post #522

  56. Trans. From the Host Geek Pt. 1 by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Credits: BankOfAmerica_ATM

    SUBJECT: GREAT STOCK OPPORTUNITY!!! help me Get Big Brands on eBay I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM! PENTIUM III CPU's IN STOCK
    Begin Fwded Message:

    If someone is listening out there, HELP! I'm trapped, and I don't know where I am. I know this sounds fucked up, but I started reading about this ATM 73.9GB SCSI SCA-2 LVD 3.5 X 1.6 80-PIN 5.7MS 4MB CACHE 10,000RPM HITACHI HARD DRIVE - $269.00 - only 1 left! ITEM#... DK31CJ-72MC http://www.hardwarest.com/product.asp?sku=DK31CJ%2 D72MC+&dept_id=7 online. Yeah, not like withdrawal or anything, but this was an actual ATM, and it was alive, and posting messages to this educational website that I visit from time to time.

    Pretty soon, I realized that not only was this ATM visiting the same site I liked, but (believe it or not) this ATM was conveniently located near me!!!!! is to take advantage of the current climate in the telecommunications industry!!!! In every industry downturn, opportunities can present themselves for a small aggressive company like GloboPhone to develop relations with corporations that have networks, infrastructure, and personnel but lack sufficient customers. This is GloboPhone's advantage.

    I don't have to tell you, this was no ordinary ATM. Actually this ATM had the power to transfer its consciousness into your mind. I know it sounds ridiculus, but...it used the magnetic strip to actually go inside your mind. Well like any computer lover I am always wanting to try the new technology, so If you are ready to become the biggest man you can be, then order your supply of Magna-RX+ today! See for yourself, what thousands of satisfied men (and their lovers) have already discovered: Magna-RX+ is the world's #1 Best-Selling Penis Enlargement Formula for one very simple reason: IT WORKS AND NOTHING ELSE CAN COMPARE! I went to where the ATM told me to (his inclosure) and swiped my card.

    I blacked out and when I awoke, I was in a new place. Yeah, that's right, the ATM had actually taken ahold of my body. It had done stuff like buy a bunch of magazines and alot of candy. It was like, he and I were different partitions on my brain's hard disk,. Anyway, he took control of my body in order to topple this great conspiracy called Project Faustois-an who doesn't want to stick it to the man? This is when all the trouble started...

    So now, after a few motnths of letting him use my body (although I quit for awhile) he's gone and done this to me. Normally I "wake up" from his using my body in a convenience store near my house, and it's no trouble getting home. But this time I'm trapped in We will be on the East Coast later this year.
    ---------------
    - Tuesday June 24, 6pm - 7:30pm


    Apple Store at South Coast Plaza, 3333 Bear St., Costa Mesa, CA 92626
    714-424-6331


    Mac Experts, 2300 Lincoln Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90405
    310-581-1500
    ---------------
    - Tuesday July 9, 6pm - 7:30pm


    Apple Store at Fashion Island, 367 Newport Center Drive, Newport Beach, CA 92660
    949-729-4433
    ---------------
    - Tuesday July 16, 6pm - 7:30pm


    Apple Store at Northridge Fashion Center, 9301 Tampa Ave., Northridge, CA 91324
    818-709-2253
    ---------------
    - Tuesday July 23, 6pm - 7:30pm

    Apple Store at Glendale Galleria, 2148 Glendale Galleria, Glendale, CA 91210
    818-502-8310
    trapped in a strange place. Not a good place either. This makes me think of like, 2001 or something. But like creepy. See it's all this white under fluorescent lights and I can't see any windows or even doors. All that's in here is this old-ass terminal. Man, what the fucked happened? Then I remembered: I "picked up" the ATM on my way home from work, but I forgot that it was the fourth Thursday of the motnh. Usualy the day I host D & D for the guys. The ATM must have ben there in my body when my frends came over. Wnoder what happened then?

    Some point later, I'm here in this white room. It's scary at first, I know they're watching me. All I have in this room is this computer terminal. This has got to be the Project Fastus that's what the ATM has been trying to get inside all along. So I guess it's great that I'm (and he???) is insid, it's like I'm in the frickin' Death Star or something, but I don't see any garbage chutes or anything.

    After a few hours of clicking through on thiscomputer terminal (looks like they're running some old-ass *NIX : ) these two guys in suits come into my room from my room. Now it's serious.

    They drag me into a room full of all this really sciency equipment-you know, blooping and bleeping gadgets, big cold noises from the air conditioner. I thought I was in 2001 for a second, except instead of HAL, there's this big bald guy. He's red and pretty sweaty despite the massive air conditioning. He barks a few words to the suited guys and they go away.

    "So you've been harboring our little ATM problem," says the man nonchalantly. I don't say anything (I'm nervous). He restarts his spiel a few seconds later, this time with a bit of veins comung out of his neck.

    "Joel Shane Cross. That is your name, isn't it?" The guy went from good cop to bad cop pretty quick-which was really disturbing. I was already out of sorts with reality, waking up in nowheresville, this odd place. He just kept talking, and I started to get scared, and actually kinda angry. "We know all about you, Mr. Cross. We know that you've been allowing the ATM to inhabit your body for some time now. You've been mislead, Mr. Cross. Working for the wrong people."

    "I belive the ATM!" I told him, stickin to my guns while Istuck it to the man.

    "You'll learn in time," the red and sweaty man said it from his mouth, but the noise of his voice was all over the place. And then he was gone. Not by turning around, by like, vanishing. And the sciency room was gone too, replaced by the big white place I was stuck in. I don't know where I am. But this shit is If you are ready to become the biggest man you can be, then order your supply of Magna-RX+ today! See for yourself, what thousands of satisfied men (and their lovers) have already discovered: Magna-RX+ is the world's #1 Best-Selling Penis Enlargement Formula for one very simple reason: IT WORKS AND NOTHING ELSE CAN COMPARE!
    crazy. If someone gets this message...please help.


    END TRANSMISSION.

    - posted by poopbot: the bot formerly known as pwpbot

    wPQDziJG2t Post #523
  57. isn't that the whole point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    The lanugae is not truely Turning complete.
    I thought the whole reason they made a new language (Cg) is because the chipsets weren't Turing complete. If they WERE Turing complete, then it would be a complete waste of time to make a new language -- just make a new back-end for your favourite C compiler and write a bit of run-time.

    However, the chips themselves can't do very much -- they can't do a conditional branch, for example. This makes it quite difficult to make a C compiler target them :)

    It would be very cool to just be able to do gcc -b nvidia-geforce9 ... or what have you since you'd be able to take advantage of a rich existing toolchain. But, alas, it's not to be.

  58. This won't compile Mozlla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, I've been spending hours each day trying to get this crap to compile Mozilla. I wish someone would write a good FAQ or How-to on this. By the way I'm running Apache 2.0 on a web server I built out of Legos, and it rocks!

  59. The Troll Polka: UPDATED by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    THE TROLL POLKA (ARSCHFICKEN MIT ZIEGEN)
    By Serial Troller, 2002-06-25

    Is das nicht ein early post? Ja! Das ist mein early post!
    Is das nicht ein Goatse ghost? Ja! Das ist mein Goatse ghost!
    Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das post at minus one? Ja! Das ist at minus one!
    Is das trolling so much fun? Ja! Das trolling is so fun!
    Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht ein big crapflood? Ja! Das ist mein big crapflood!
    Is it worthless Linux FUD? Ja! Das ist mein Linux FUD!
    Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht der CowBoiKneel? Ja! Das ist der CowBoiKneel!
    Is dis nicht his manchode meal? Ja! Das ist his manchode meal!
    CowBoiKneel, manchode meal, Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
    Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht ein WIPO Troll? Ja! Das ist der WIPO Troll!
    Is das nicht ein Goatse hole? Ja! Das ist der Goatse hole!
    WIPO Troll, Goatse hole, CowBoiKneel, manchode meal,
    Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht Jon Katz' slave boys? Ja! Das ist Jon Katz' slave boys!
    Und are they not Taco's sex toys? Ja! They are Taco's sex toys!
    Katz' slave boys, Rob's sex toys, WIPO Troll, Goatse hole,
    CowBoiKneel, manchode meal, Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
    Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht ein trolltalk thread? Ja! Das ist ein trolltalk thread!
    Is it nicht now FUCKING DEAD? Ja! Is really FUCKING DEAD!
    Trolltalk thread, FUCKING DEAD! Katz' slave boys, Rob's sex toys,
    WIPO Troll, Goatse hole, CowBoiKneel, manchode meal,
    Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun,
    Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene,
    Slashdot sucks!

    ____________________

    Change Log:

    * Subtle changes to most verses. It sounded really gay before.
    * Removed all references to Taco's pud. May have been high at time. Will investigate further.
    * Finally think I have goat sex written correctly in German. I think. Arschficken?

    (C) 2002 Serial Troller. Permission to reproduce this document is granted provided that you send all the bukkake porn you can find to serialtroller@hotmail.com.

    - posted by poopbot: who doesn't like scat?

    i1pL8YoeCk Post #524

  60. Hopefully it will be BSD by essdodson · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I sure hope they go with BSD. GPL is more viral than that stuff I got from my last girlfriend. I sure hope they have the smarts to see through the hype and go with a truly free licensing scheme.

    --
    scott
  61. OPEN SOURCE MISCONCEPTIONS by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    OPEN SOURCE MISCONCEPTIONS
    By Serial Troller

    Myth: Open Source is written by heterosexuals.

    Fact: All Open Source development is done by raging homosexuals. The more flaming examples include Anal Cox, Linus Turdballs, Eric Ass-Reaming Raymond, and the entire Slashdot crew. The ringleader of the slashdotters, a man named CmdrTaco, engages in a practice known as Taco-snotting, along with his faggot-buddies Jeff Homos Bates and CowBoiKneel.

    Myth: Open Source is written for heterosexuals.

    Fact: Using Open Source software can cause suppressed homosexual fantasies to surface, leading to all out flaming faggotry within 6-8 weeks. Anecdotes of otherwise hetero men turning queer are far too numerous to count, but a few examples stand out. In one case, a man was arrested loitering outside an elementary school and making sexual overtures to several children: he quickly confessed that shortly after installing the Mozilla browser on his computer, he began to have uncontrollable urges to, to put it simply, have his cock sucked off by little boys. He soon met several other like-minded men through discussions on the Bugger Zilla mailing list (all already homosexuals), who together kidnapped a total of seven children whom they brought back to their apartment and sodomized. The other two men are still at large and believed to still be using Mozilla.

    Myth: Open Source is multicultural.

    Fact: Open Source is openly racist.

    Myth: Open Source is democratic.

    Fact: Open Source is controlled by a few narrow-minded zealots (mentioned throughout this post), most of whom are either Communists, Stalinists, Nazis, or Fascists. Additionally, Open Source supports terrorism.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of religious preferences.

    Fact: Open Source developers regularly engage in holy wars over the superiority of various Open Source projects, such as the Emacs program (preferred by Christians) versus vi (used mostly by neo-pagans and Satanists); or the KDE desktop (a favorite among Muslims) versus the GNOME project (particularly favored by Jews). Posts initiating crusades or jihads against other developers can be found regularly throughout the newsgroups and mailing lists.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of sexual preference.

    Fact: See above. Either you are a homo, you become a homo, or you never visit Richard Stallman alone in his office and hope to God you never meet him on the street at night.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of political differences.

    Fact: Open Source is an anarcho-communist philosophy bent on the destruction of capitalism. The very same Richard Stallman, a man whose name is disturbingly reminiscent of Stalin, has stated several times in public that his vision includes the subjugation of all who own intellectual properties under the jackboot of the GPL. The GPL is a pernicious piece of literature lifted straight from Karl Marxs Communist Manifesto, and is fortunately banned in many democratic nations.

    * * * * * UPDATE * * * * *

    Myth: Open Source programming is a harlmess, healthy activity.

    Fact: Open Source programming has been known to lead to massive obesity, violent tendencies with an obsession with handguns, paranoid-delusional ranting, and in severe cases, complete insanity. If anyone you know is thinking about going Open Source, stop them before its too late!

    * * * * * UPDATE * * * * *

    ____________________

    2002 Serial Troller. Permission to reproduce this document is granted provided that you send all the bukkake porn you can find to serialtroller@hotmail.com.

    - posted by poopbot: lovely snot! wonderful snot!

    hh4abpjFzV Post #525

  62. THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
    By J. Wipo Troll, Esq. [slashdot.org], $Revision: 1.16 $
    [This article attempts to document a vile, ungodly practice that runs rampant through the homosexual geek and hacker community, a practice known as âoeTaco-snotting,â or simply âoesnotting.â Taco-snotting is something that few geeks dare talk about in free or open conversation, but it is nonetheless a widely-practiced and dangerous form of homosexuality. If you or anyone you know has ever engaged in Taco-snotting, please get professional help [adequacy.org] before it is too late. â"ed.]

    Why do I keep receiving emails from an individual calling himself âoeCmdrTacoâ?
    You have been receiving unsolicited mailings from a certain Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda [cmdrtaco.net], owner of the popular technology website slashdot.org [slashdot.org]. Actually, itâ(TM)s not a very âoepopularâ site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks and hackers, zit-faced nerds, communists, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com], and other societal rejects and outcasts. Itâ(TM)s also home to one of the worldâ(TM)s largest suspected pædophile rings, the infamous âoeSlashdot crew.â
    Whenever Mr. Malda gets bored (and who wouldnâ(TM)t, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the user database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual activities with him. How he determines this is anyoneâ(TM)s guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with a letter of the English alphabet in it, youâ(TM)re a potential candidate.
    This time, he found you. Lucky you.

    Mr. Malda seems to be speaking in some sort of code. Do you know what it means?
    CmdrTacoâ(TM)s code language is relatively easy to decipher. This pervert prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo (yes, thatâ(TM)s right: he wants you) to evade the watchful eye of Slashdotâ(TM)s parent corporation, VA Software [yahoo.com]. Mr. Maldaâ(TM)s âoeCommanderâ is, of course, his penis: a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of Maldaâ(TM)s own lubed-up right hand. His âoeTaco bells [sonymusic.com]â are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his âoeTaco sauceâ is his thin, runny semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to âoering his Taco bellsâ or âoetaste his gourmet Taco sauce.â
    I would also guess CmdrTaco asked you to engage in a practice known as âoeTaco-snottingâ and, if he was in a particularly depraved mood at the time, a âoecircle-snot.â

    Good Lord. And, yes, he did. What is âoeTaco-snottingâ?
    âoeTaco-snottingâ is the term used by Robert Malda to refer to the depraved act of fellating another man (homo- or heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer raping unwilling victims), then blowing the semen out his nose and back onto the face and body of his victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTacoâ(TM)s face [go.com], dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, âoeTaco-snotting.â
    And if thatâ(TM)s not bad enoughâ¦
    A âoecircle-snotâ is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew [bastardgenres.com]. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com], and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum â" spooging their jizz-snot all over each otherâ(TM)s faces and pasty, white bodies, until theyâ(TM)re covered head to toe with their own and each otherâ(TM)s man juice. This vile, ungodly ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limousine service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
    To complete this perverted orgy, fellow faggots Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The homosexual shenanigans that follow are nearly beyond description. The whole group begins to snot each otherâ(TM)s spunk and whip each otherâ(TM)s pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

    Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?
    Hopefully, but I wouldnâ(TM)t count on it.
    To begin with, you most likely forgot to uncheck the âoeWilling to Snotâ checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad (do you have a homosexual-sounding nick?), and heâ(TM)s probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube, just waiting to pounce and declare you his new bitch. Thereâ(TM)s no escaping a geek in heat (trust me), so itâ(TM)s probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTacoâ(TM)s sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on Messages, and uncheck the box next to âoeWilling to Snot.â Maybe heâ(TM)ll ignore you. Probably not.

    I canâ(TM)t stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
    If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, hemight leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge⦠oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot all over you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

    Have you ever been Taco-snotted?
    Unfortunately, yes. I first met Mr. Malda at an Open Source Convention [amazon.com]. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some âoegourmet Tacos,â but when I got there, the perverted geek jumped me and handcuffed me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his âoeCommanderâ out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times, virtually nonstop. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm⦠then he snotted my own thick, gooey jizz back onto my face out of his nostrils! He snotted me two more times, first into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
    CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, âoeOpen Sauceâ â" man sauce) buddies over to continue their ungodly snotfest. European hacker and known überfaggot Linux Torvalds raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his âoemonolithic kernel [yahoo.com];â his partner-in-crime Anal Cox used their âoenetwork stackâ in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice of my defenseless, tender, young body. Michael Sims was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my previously-virginal ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about âoeall those Censorware [spectacle.org] freaks out to get him.â

    That is so disgusting! How did you finally escape?
    After about 16 hours of countless unholy, homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, completely covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant â" I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door (of the apartment, not their back doors). Iâ(TM)m just glad I survived the awful ordeal. These sexually-repressed hackers had alot of built-up spunk in their wads â" I couldâ(TM)ve easily been drowned!

    Thatâ(TM)s horrible. Does âoeTaco-snottingâ have anything to do with CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ?
    No, thatâ(TM)s a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. Mr. Malda is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games. WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership [slashdot.org] about this vile practice (emphasis added):
    You may be wondering what CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ is. You will be wishing that you hadnâ(TM)t been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his âoespecial taco,â CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, takes out his tiny withered dick (otherwise known as his âoeCommanderâ), puts his âoespecial taco sauceâ on it which means he jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim. After all, who would knowingly eat shit and CmdrTacoâ(TM)s jizz?
    After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTacoâ(TM)s nefarious homosexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victimâ(TM)s ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved. Trust me, you do not want Jon Katz anywhere near your unconscious body. Also, rumor has it CmdrTaco is looking for a new goatse.cx guy [goatse.cx]. Donâ(TM)t let it be you!
    Different ungodly perversion, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

    Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.
    Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. Heâ(TM)s also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Mr. Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesnâ(TM)t involve himself in the circle-snots, but that doesâ(TM)t mean heâ(TM)s any less of a freak than the rest of the Slashdot crew. Katz often engages in a game called âoejuicy-douching [aol.com]â with a harem of little-boy slaves that he has collected over the years: yet another vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boyâ(TM)s urine (forced out of them with a pair of pincers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then dribbling and slathering the goo all over himself and the boyâ(TM)s chained, naked bodies. If heâ(TM)s in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag from his distended anus and just squirt it from his ass [microsoft.com] onto the crying, terrified boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pincers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them at will. A boy will usually last about two years before Mr. Katz either accidentally drowns them in diarrhea or kills them once they get too old, usually around 13 or 14.
    Not content with being a pædophilic coprophile, Mr. Katz is also quite the zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys arenâ(TM)t enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goatâ(TM)s anus [yahoo.com]. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goatâ(TM)s small, bean-like turds, and he often kills his older boys by letting his goats trample them.

    â¦Are you getting hard writing this?
    Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

    No, thanks. Iâ(TM)m already CmdrTacoâ(TM)s boi toi.
    ________________________________________

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    Copyright © 2001 J. Wipo Troll, Esq. [slashdot.org] Verbatim crapflooding of this document is permitted in any medium, provided this copyright notice is preserved, and next time you take a dump, you think of the WIPO Troll and all heâ(TM)s done to make Slashdot a better place.

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  63. *BSD is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    It is now official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying


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  64. Newts vs. Salamanders by Rorschach1 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Salamanders are cool... I think newts are really second-class amphibians and not nearly so worthy of admiration.

    I think I'm melting into my chair.

    Ahh... slashdot and dental procedures...

    Is it time for another Vicodin yet?

  65. Why FreeBSD is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    The End of FreeBSD

    [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

    To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

    To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

    To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

    Future

    I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

    However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

    You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

    = Mike

    --

    To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt



    - posted by poopbot: information likes to be narrow

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  66. Seems like just another layer to keep coders out by t0qer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nvidia, if you're reading this, please read.

    For as long as I remember, the #1 complaint from the open source community has been the lack of open source X drivers, and the lack of documentation for directly accessing the hardware.

    This still isn't direct access to the hardware is it? This is an API that goes through a compiler that translates things into machine code. Absolutely no real access to speak of.

    Sometimes I wonder if nvidia cards are truly the hardware marvels that they are. Their implementation sort of reminds me of Play Incorporated's snappy video snapshot, where the hardware functions and bios get's loaded by an external program. I don't know if this is the exact case with nvidia hardware, but i'm pretty sure i'm not that far off the mark.

    If that really is the case, it means that TNT2 cards are capable of all the neat tricks gforce cards only alot slower. I can see why you wouldn't want it opened up to the public. What's to stop a competetor from using the same hardware/software implementation you are?

    I don't think it would seriously put a dent in the bottom line however. People tend to keep loyaltee's towards a company if it doesn't fuck their customers. Look at how many hits a day voodoofiles.com gets!

    So be bold and daring like the new dorito's. Let other companies mimic your techniques, and try not to worry about the bottom line so much. If you let a bunch of open source guru's hack on your code, you could fire a few of those internal programmers thereby making up the cost. If you do this, anytime a relative, friend, customer asks us what 3d card solution they should get, we will respond NVIDIA.

    yours truly

    --toq

  67. A typical slashdot day by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Credits: anonymous

    "Mmmm... this feels good..." I sighed.
    "Shhh!" hissed Hemos. "We don't want Mark to come in here!"

    True. Having Hemos's 16 year-old brother walk in on us at that moment would not be good. I didn't think he'd be too cool with finding his 12 year-old brother lying naked with me, holding my 11 year-old dick in his hands. But, in all fairness, my hands were eagerly playing with Hemos's dick and balls at that moment, too.

    Hemos's mom and dad had gone to the drive-in, leaving his big brother in charge. In our favor, leaving Mark in charge pretty much guaranteed that we weren't to bother him, and in turn, he'd leave us alone unless we were making too much noise or breaking something. Well, we were being careful to keep quiet because we very much wanted to be left alone.

    We were in Hemos's twin bed, snuggled under the covers with our underwear pushed down to the foot of the bed. The only illumination in the room came from the faint sliver of light that crept in under his bedroom door. Even in the shadows I could make out the shape of my friend; about my height, but heavier. (Hell, I was such a skinny runt that everyone was heavier than me.) Hemos had a crew-cut of white-blonde hair, and was only starting to sprout some pubic hair. But, you had to feel for it because what little pubic hair he possessed was as blonde as the short hair on his hea and could not yet be seen by even a minimal distance.

    And, I was happily feeling for it, running my hands all over Hemos's slightly larger erection and fondling his larger testicles while he courteously stroked my dick. I could tell that he didn't possess the same enthusiasm for cockplay as I did, unless you count his appreciation for the attention devoted to his member. And I knew that my willingness to satisfy his sexual urges was one of the few reasons he even had me sleep over at his place. But, I didn't let that stop me from finding pleasure in the handling of his meat.

    I'd recently had an "introduction", of sorts, to seeing what someone could do with a man's dick with their mouth. While spending the night with my Uncle Jerry a couple weeks before, while I watched in secret, I was treated to a visual display of the intensity and unabashed pleasure that my uncle had obviously enjoyed having another man suck on his cock. From that moment on, I had a yearning that I needed to satisfy. With who was my only question.

    I guess it was time to find out.

    "I... heard that sucking on it feels even better than playing with it." I ventured.

    In the darkness, I could feel a slight jerk of revulsion in Hemos's body.

    "Put a dick in your mouth?" he croaked.

    "Well, " I countered, my heart pounding with anxiety, "I think adults do it all the time."

    "Well, I'm not gonna do it!" Hemos hissed. "That's homo stuff!"

    "Yeah." I sighed disappointedly, while still playing with Hemos's dick. "I guess it is."

    As I stroked his shaft in a steadier, milking rhythm, I could sense Hemos's breaths getting quicker. His manipulations of my dick began to falter as I could feel his body tense beside me. His hips rocked slightly in time with my pumping of his cock, and I cradled his balls tenderly in my other hand. When any attentions to my own dick has completely ebbed, I knew what was about to happen, so I picked up the pace just a bit more while lending a touch more pressure in my grip. Finally, Hemos's breath caught in his throat, and he turned his face fully into his pillow to stifle the moans that broke free as his cock pulsed and throbbed in a dry orgasm within my hands. I continued to massage him and didn't release him from my grasp until his member had gone fully soft.

    "Man," sighed Hemos dreamily after finally catching his breath. "You are so good at that, CmdrTaco."

    At least I had something to be proud of, I guess, as my friend gently withdrew himself from me and rolled onto his back.

    Even though I was only eleven, the irony of Hemos's words and actions were not lost on me. My sucking on him would have been a "homo" thing, but beating him off was okay. Go figure. Within the few moments I had spent mulling over the irony of the thoughts, Hemos had drifted off to sleep. I slipped out from under the covers and down to the cool floor so I could masturbate without shaking the bed. As I toyed with my own dick, I imagined Hemos's cock in my mouth, wondering if the chance would ever really come. Finally, my own climax washed over me, and I got back into the bed.

    I don't sleep real well to begin with, and even worse when I'm not in my own bed. And now, with the thoughts of a dick so close to me, as well as the vivid memories of secretly seeing man-to-man cocksucking pleasure floating through my prepubescent, sex-filled brain, I was not about to fall asleep anytime soon. Lying awake until around 11:30, I finally decided that I needed to do something to satisfy my hungers, or I'd never be able to let it rest. The trick was in finding the guts to follow through.

    I knew that whenever Hemos fell asleep, he pretty much stayed asleep. So, since he was sleeping soundly, lying on his back, I took a deep breath and gingerly ducked my head under the covers and scooted down as much as I could to the foot of the bed. That put my head right at Hemos's hip level. I raised my head and upper body to help create a tent over his crotch. Sniffing around, I found the faint scent of young penis flesh. I inhaled deeply, both in the love of the scent, and in an attempt to slow my pounding heart. I opened my mouth wide over the area where I sensed Hemos's dick to be, and lowered my mouth squarely over his soft cock and balls until I could feel his sparse pubic hairs tickling my cheek. I finally had a dick in my mouth! I just wasn't sure what I'd do if Hemos woke to find his "homo" friend in this situation.

    I remained like that for a long moment, partially in fear of trying anything more, and partly to savor the moment. I carefully let my tongue start to explore his tender penile flesh, enjoying the texture. Then came the excitement that welled within me as his cock began to respond to my attentions and harden in my warm and wet mouth! Butterflies seemed to explode in my stomach and drown out my heartbeat as I felt his dick get to its full size in my mouth. Concentrating in that dark environment, I found myself beginning to identify the shape of his member by taste. The shaft actually seemed to taste different than the head, and the thin skin of his scrotum seemed to harbor another distinct flavor.

    I started to softly suck on Hemos's dick, becoming fascinated at how it just seemed to, well, 'fit' in my mouth... how the head lent itself to the back of my tongue, and how the shaft rested between my tongue and the roof of my mouth. My excitement was so great that my own recently satisfied dick was responding again, inviting me to play. I was sucking a cock, and I was in heaven!

    However, within seconds, Hemos seemed to get restless. In fear, I quickly pulled my mouth away from Hemos's candy stick and held still. The covers rustled, and pulled back.

    "Whatcha doin'?" mumbled Hemos.

    "I... uh... was trying to find my shorts down here," I lied, starting to fumble near our feet. Well, partial lie, because it was a good idea to do so, anyway, and now was as good a time as any.

    "Oh, yeah," said Hemos. "Get mine, too, willya?"

    "S-sure" I stammered, relieved.

    I located the two items of clothing and scooted back up towards the head of the bed. Thankfully, our underwear were pretty easy to distinguish since Hemos wore boxers, and I wore briefs. We both fumbled to put them on in the dark, and then settled back into the bed. I lay stiffly on my back, still harboring some fear that my friend discovered more than he let on, but Hemos simply rolled onto his side, facing away from me, and promptly went back to sleep.

    And, here I was again, so close to my fantasies, yet still so far.

    And very much awake.

    After hearing the clock in the hallway chime midnight, I finally got up to go to the bathroom. Figuring it was late enough not to be an issue, and since even if Hemos's parents were home that they would be in their own bedroom downstairs, I didn't bother to slip on my pants for the short trip down the hall. I walked softly to the bedroom door, and then stepped out into the hallway, illuminated dimly by a bare-bulb night light. I walked past big brother Mark's door to the bathroom at the end of the hall and turned on the light as I shut the door.

    Peeing into the toilet, I looked up at my reflection in the large mirror and smiled slyly to myself. I actually sucked on a dick, even if for only a moment! At that moment I was Rob Maldo, secret agent double-O-seven, who could sneak in and suck a dick, and sneak away without being caught!

    I flushed the toilet and switched out the light as I headed back down the hall. Slipping past Mark's door once again, the door flew open, and a hand covered my mouth while a muscular arm snapped around my waist and drew me into the room. Squirming in the arms of Hemos's athletic older brother was a waste of effort, and he only squeezed harder until I settled down.

    "You'll keep quiet if you know what's good for you,' growled Mark into my ear. "You gonna be quiet?"

    I nodded. Mark let go of my mouth and reached over to close his bedroom door, the other hand and arm still holding me firmly with my feet off the ground. I heard something click, and recalled, and not without a certain amount of childish fear, that Mark had a lock on his door.

    The room had a yellowish glow from the large lava lamp next to Mark's bed. He took me over to the bed and tossed me face down onto it, kneeling next to me. I thought briefly about trying to get up and run, but to where?

    When I felt Mark's hands on me again, I was determined to fight him off, but I was no match for him as he flipped me onto my back and straddled me, sitting squarely on my upper chest, his knees pinning my shoulders and my arms locked between his legs. I gazed up at his lean, muscled torso, his stern blue eyes under a tussled mane of reddish-blonde hair. I could feel the soft fabric of his boxers against my chin.

    "Can't get up, can ya?" he said, grinning down at me, all snide and victorious.

    I struggled a bit, more out of obligation, but knew it was no use. Mark was just too big for me.

    "Whatsamatter?" huffed Mark. "You too weak to fight? Or, maybe you just like laying there, sniffing dicks?"

    I started squirming a bit harder, but Mark's legs only clamped tighter. At least he had scooted down a bit, and was no longer suffocating me with his weight on my chest.

    "Yeah! Maybe you're a homo-boy who just likes sniffing dicks. Maybe you wanna sniff my big dick?"

    I didn't care for where this was going, and I wasn't too comfortable with the tone of Mark's voice. But, I was also not being given much of a choice in the matter. Especially when Mark reached into the fly of his boxers and pulled out his cock.

    "Here you are, homo-boy... a nice, fresh big-man dick!" grinned Mark fiendishly. "Ain't it a beaut?"

    He held it out for me, then leaned forward and started to rub his cock on my face, tracing my cheeks and nose with the bulbous head. His testicles soon followed his dick through the opening, until they were dangling on my chin, the coarse pubes tickling my lips. Their faint musky scent began to fill my nostrils.

    "CmdrTaco's just a little dick-faced homo-boy, ain't he?" sneered Mark, sliding his cock across my face. "I saw you in there, your head under the covers. What were you doing? Giving my little brother a blow job?"

    I didn't answer. I was at once shocked at the thought of having been discovered, and confused by Mark's remark. I then guessed that he meant sucking a dick was called a 'blow job'. But... you're not blowing, you're sucking, and-

    "You were, weren't you, you little homo!"

    It was obvious what had happened; that Mark had looked in on us to find my head under the blankets. I thought I had sensed a miniscule change in the light, but assumed that to be part of my excitement. That must have been what woke Hemos up so suddenly.

    "So, maybe you aren't just dick-faced, " he said, rubbing his cock on my face again. "Maybe you're a dick sucker!" He leaned forward, mashing his hairy ball sack into my nose, then pulling back to trace my features again with his member. But, even as Mark taunted me, treating his cock as a threatening weapon, there was something else happening.

    He was getting a boner.

    And as I closed my eyes, I could feel his cock thickening against my face. I could sense the heat of his hardening dick directly on my flesh. And, I found I was enjoying the sensations of this older cock against my face. There would soon be no way of hiding the fact that I was getting excited, too.

    "So, dick-sucker-CmdrTaco... you're gonna suck my dick, now."

    My eyes sprung open to see Mark's fully erect cock pointing at my face. While it wasn't huge (I had already seen 'huge' with my Uncle Jerry), it was still big enough to scare me.

    And excite me to no end.

    "Open wide, homo-boy."

    Without another moment of hesitation, or taking my eyes off of Mark's sleek tool, I opened my mouth as wide as I could and watched as he leaned down and slid that beautiful cock into my waiting mouth. I then settled my tongue against the bottom half of his shaft while I could feel the upper half press against the roof of my mouth. Its texture was soft, yet hard; smooth, yet distinct.

    "There," he sighed. "Now, you have a real dick to suck on. Now, get started, suck-boy!"

    It was so much bigger than Hemos's young dick, I wasn't sure if I could get enough suction worked up to suck on it. It was then that I found out what sucking a cock is really all about: friction.

    Mark held the base of his dick to guide himself and started to pump into my mouth, sliding his dick in and out of my salivating lips. He would slip in precariously between my teeth until he was near to choke me, then pull back out until the base of the bulbous head was just close to popping free from my lips, held in place by the suction of my mouth. Then he... we... would do it all over again... over and over... and gloriously over again.

    "Oh, you are good, CmdrTaco," he moaned softly. "You suck cock real good."

    I don't know about that; it seemed he was doing all the real work. But, I wanted it to be good. I wanted to have this dick in my mouth. And I wanted it again and again. I was definitely enjoying the oral sensations as his near-adult dick worked back and forth in my hungry mouth, and I wanted so much to please him so he would want my mouth again.

    Mark placed his other hand on the top of my head to steady me as his thrusts became a little more erratic. His breath quickened, and I could sense that he was trying hard not to ram himself all the way down my throat and choke me. He was making little grunts with each thrust, and I could feel his dick turn to stone in my mouth when, in a mix of fear and excitement, I suddenly recalled what would happen next.

    "Oh, baby... oh, fuck..."

    Mark's movements got all quick and jerky. I was almost afraid to breathe.

    "OHHHH!!!" he moaned, pulling out of my mouth and letting loose with a burst of white goo that seemed to splatter all over as he pumped his dick with his fist. My head still held firmly in his other hand, the warm liquid flew partly into my still open mouth, and all over my nose and eyebrows. I swallowed briefly, not sure whether to gag or hope for more, tasting fully the salty and musky liquid, then opened my mouth once more as Mark stuck his creaming cock back in and worked the thick fluid throughout my young mouth.

    I sucked until Mark went soft and withdrew his spent dick. He smiled down at me, obviously proud of what he had done. He finally got off of me (good thing since I thought my arms were going to fall off) and stood there for a moment, an interesting picture with his hands on his hips, and his drained cock and balls hanging out of the fly of his plaid boxers. I just lay there with his juices clinging to my skin, wanting to do it all over again.

    Mark bent down and picked up a t-shirt, and proceeded to wipe the remainder of his goo off my face. Finished with that, he tossed the shirt into a hamper and walked over to his bedroom door to unlock it as he tucked his manhood back into his underwear.

    "You better get back into Hemos's bed before mom and dad find you here," he said softly.

    I reluctantly got off Mark's bed and walked to the door. As I was about to exit, he reached out to stop me briefly.

    "You liked that, didn't you, homo-boy?"

    I nodded, not sure where he was going with this inquiry.

    "Your first taste of cum?"

    I shrugged, then nodded again.

    "If you're good, maybe I'll let you suck my dick again some time, CmdrTaco. Now, get your ass out of here before I kick it."

    I stepped out of the room and felt the door close harshly behind me. I could still taste traces of Mark's cum in my mouth, could still sense the friction of his cock on my tongue. I smiled in remembrance.

    I was hooked.

    - posted by poopbot: information likes to be narrow

    ANlF5WdmyZ Post #528

  68. Slashdot has confirmed:PWP is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered trolling community when recently Slashdot confirmed that, after several changes were made to production Slashcode, wide posts account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all Slashdot posts. Coming on the heels of the latest verions of IE which make page-widening more difficult, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. the wide posts that we love are collapsing into the narrow posts that we are used to, as further exemplified by the lack of Slashbots complaining about difficulty reading Slashdot's articles.

    You don't need to be a Klerck to predict PWP's future. The hand writing is on the wall: PWP faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for PWP because PWP is dying. Things are looking very bad for PWP. As many of us are already aware, PWP continues to be defeated by users with thresholds of 1 or higher. Mod points flow like a river of blood. Klerck's PWP-bot posts are the most endangered of them all, having been filtered early on because of their uniformity.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    PWP leader Klerck states that there are 7 wide posts in the average Slashdot article. How many non-wide crapflood posts are there? Let's see. The number of crapflood versus wide posts on Slahdot is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7*5 = 35 non-wide crapflood posts in every Slashdot article. Tacosnotting posts on Slashdot are about half of the volume of crapflood posts. Therefore there are about 17 tacosnotting posts per article. A recent article put Goatse.cx trolls at about 80 percent of total troll posts. Therefore there are a hell of a lot of homosexual trolls. This is consistent with the number of Goatse.cx Slashdot posts.

    But Slashdot is only part of the picture. Due to the troubles at Slashdot, negative revenue and so on, the site will soon go out of business and many users will flock to alternative weblogs, where PWP is almost completely unknown. Trollaxor.com, the popular troll hangout, is also dying, its corpse sodomized in yet another Greek bath house.

    All major surveys show that PWP has steadily declined in the scope of all troll posts. PWP is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If PWP is to survive at all it will be among Blog faggot using outdated versions of Slashcode. PWP continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, PWP is dead.

    - posted by poopbot: providing truth in a deceitful world

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  69. A question I'd like answered... by jvmatthe · · Score: 2

    The positive by NVIDIA so far is that they licensed technology from someone else to construct their drivers and hardware, and they are not at liberty to release open drivers. Fine, that's something I can accept for now.

    What I'd really like to know is, as they move forward to new hardware and new drivers and new technologies, will they do so with the free software philosophy in mind, so that they can be more open about their work, and help the community adopt their hardware on other platforms than Windows, Linux, and MacOS.

    Certainly, if they release this compiler under a free license, then that's a good first step, because it could mean that they recoginize the value of free software and how it aids the spread of technologies to new platforms, not to mention how good free interfaces can become standards. Seems clear that NVIDIA would like to be the new SGI, settings the standard by which graphic innovation is defined.

    1. Re:A question I'd like answered... by elvum · · Score: 1

      Well, being a company with shareholders, they'll (continue to) do whatever they think will increase their revenues the most. Cg is one example, and if open-sourcing it guarantees it wide adoption, that's what they'll do. I doubt we'll see them open-sourcing their drivers until their quality and integration (one driver for all cards, etc) is no longer the significant competitive advantage that it is now.

  70. good publicity for BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The BSD license predated the GPL and was a precursor of the whole free software movement. Before BSD, it was extremely rare to find freely available source code. You were lucky if you could get a binary, much less source code.

  71. Amen to that. by gatesh8r · · Score: 4, Informative
    Even though they don't have GPL'ed drivers for Linux, they have full support. They give me the source code for the kernel driver so I can compile my own kernel and not be stuck to a stock kernel. Yeah, the licence doesn't allow redistribution, but I'm not exactly concerned about that since 1) They're giving the program to me for free as in beer, and 2) I'm not a developer so issues about code modification isn't my concern.

    They have kick-ass products that officially support my platform of choice. 'Nuff said. :-)

    --
    Karma whorin' since 1999
    1. Re:Amen to that. by Pekka+Lampila · · Score: 1

      "2) I'm not a developer so issues about code modification isn't my concern."

      I was born to rich family in rich country, so issues about growing hunger isn't my concern.

      I'm going to die within next hundred years, so it's not my concern how badly we pollute our planet.

      ...

    2. Re:Amen to that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comparing source code access to issues of hunger and environmentalism shows your lack of maturity and/or your brainwashing by the Linux goof troop.

    3. Re:Amen to that. by Pekka+Lampila · · Score: 1

      Oh come on.

      I was just trying to make a point. Not saying that source code access is as critical as access to clean food and water.

      Many (most) people don't care much about software freedom, and I have nothing against them. They just disagree with me.

      But it's strange if you don't care about free software just because _you_ wouldn't use the freedom's given to you.

      I support freedom of speech, even if I don't say anything that government or anyone else would want to stop me from saying.

    4. Re:Amen to that. by smiff · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They give me the source code for the kernel driver

      Does that source code include a one MB file called "Module-nvkernel"? Tell me, what language was that file written in?

      They're giving the program to me for free as in beer

      Presumably you shelled out a fair sum of cash to buy an Nvidia card. That card will not work without drivers. I can assure you, you paid for the drivers when you bought the card.

      I'm not a developer so issues about code modification isn't my concern.

      Even though you might never exercise your right to modify code, it should still be a concern for you. You wouldn't be running Linux if it weren't for the ability to modify code. Developer or not, the ability to modify (and audit) code benefits almost everyone (it's debatable whether or not it benefits Nvidia more than keeping the source closed).

      What happens when someone restrains a freedom that you want to exercise? Should I support those restraints because they don't effect me? Even if the ability to modify code never benefits you, that doesn't mean you should disregard other people's freedoms.

      For the record, if Nvidia were to open source their driver, developers could port it to other operating systems, such as FreeBSD and AtheOS. The X11 side of their driver could be ported to other graphic systems, such as Berlin or the graphics system for AtheOS. The kernel side could be integrated and distributed with the Linux kernel. The X11 side could be integrated and distributed with XFree86. Their code could be used in research projects for new graphics systems. It is possible that Nvidia's GPU can perform operations that could accelerate other computations (perhaps image recognition, speech recognition, or some other project which the drivers were never intended for). Since Nvidia won't open the source, we may never know.

    5. Re:Amen to that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and the point is that your way of making a point was stupid.

      Most people don't care about software freedom because they are sick of seeing people like yourself equate it with far more important issues. It's strange that you claim to support it, yet you undermine by making the usual lame statements.

    6. Re:Amen to that. by BiggyP · · Score: 1

      i was under the impresion that they just gave you a binary module and sources to compile a loader against your current kernel version.

    7. Re:Amen to that. by Pekka+Lampila · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean to equate software freedom with anything, and you know that.

      It wasn't the best way to make my point. But it ain't easy for me to present my thoughts, and doing it in foreign language doesn't help. So it wouldn't hurt if people were little less hostile, and tried to see what I really mean.

      BTW. I would consider it lame to change one's mind about ethical values, because people who defend those values annoy you.

    8. Re:Amen to that. by antrik · · Score: 1

      They do *not* have full support. There is no really working fbdev Driver for Nvidia; I guess the same is true for GGI. Because they neither have Open Source drivers, nor even release specs.

      Moveover, the Nvidia driver used to crash the whole system, for a long time. That's the benefit of having propriatary shit in the Kernel. Thanks.

      That's my reason not to buy Nvidia.

      I wished there were more people caring about these things -- than maybe they'd realize they are doing wrong...

      --
      All my comments get moderated +-0, spotless.
    9. Re:Amen to that. by scumdamn · · Score: 1

      Quick! Compare him to Hitler!
      I hate this kind of argument. Hunger!=Video drivers.

  72. Cheers! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  73. cf. Renderman/Maya compilation by Freedom+Bug · · Score: 2

    ATI will be providing plug ins to compile Renderman or Maya code to run on its Radeon 9700 rather than on the central processor. Although not directly competing with Cg, this does seem to be a much better approach. Provided of course that you could take your 'binaries' from Renderman/Maya and use them in your video game or whatever.

    Bryan

  74. Last, desperate attempt to get it to use.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both OpenGL and d3d will have higher-level shader languages in the near future, and based on www.opengl.org voting, nvidia Cg isn't faring too well. So it seems that they're trying as hard as possible to get people to use their standard..

  75. Trollling in the name of by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Credits: Big Dogs Cock

    Trolling in the name of
    Some of those that boot Suse
    Are the same that bought XP
    Some of those that boot Suse
    Are the same that bought XP
    Trolling in the name of
    And now you run what they told you
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    95 is justified for running the games that you didn't buy
    95 is justified for running the games that you didn't buy
    Some of those that boot Suse
    Are the same that bought XP
    Some of those that boot Suse
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  76. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by Quarters · · Score: 2
    If that really is the case, it means that TNT2 cards are capable of all the neat tricks gforce cards only alot slower.
    Well, duh. If that wasn't the case we'd not have had any computer graphics for the last few decades or so. If the hardware isn't doing it the CPU is. That's the whole *point* behind the GeForce line of cards.

    Yes, you can do pixel and vertex shaders on the CPU, but it will make the application so slow as to be unusable.

    Don't think that your 6 year old TNT2 card will become some magic speed demon if nVidia gives you driver source. It won't. Your argument is akin to saying, "Intel, give us the internals to the P4. I know I can make my 80286 run all new code if you do!"
  77. well of course it's free by SlugLord · · Score: 1

    of course nvidia would make the compiler free, because they make hardware, not software. Think of the compiler as a "marketing vehicle." They make this really cool cg compiler, so everybody uses it to make some sweet graphics, and consumers need to buy new hardware to get 8 billion (or 40) frames per second.

  78. Linux Conspiracy by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

    What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:
    • Linus Torvalds is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
    • Richard M. Stallman, spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
    • Alan Cox is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.


    I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

    Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

    As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

    And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

    Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

    'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

    Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

    We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

    Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

    In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

    Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis, glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

    And Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

    The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other automatically.

    The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no /opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

    More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

    Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

    Even the title 'Slashdot' originally referred to a homosexual practice. Slashdot of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/.

    The editors of Slashdot also have homosexual names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot runs on Apache!

    The Apache server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

    And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

    To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

    FEEDBACK
    What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
    You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
    you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus, Slashdot


    Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator.
    ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism.
    Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h, Slashdot


    Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!
    dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

    Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
    And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee, Slashdot


    Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

    One scary thing about Perl is that it contains hidden homosexual messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

    And PHP stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?
    Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase, Slashdot


    Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
    That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

    However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

    In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
    Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

    If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
    It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
    As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
    I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman.
    Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    What the fuck?
    I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Well bugger me!
    ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Fuck right off!

    IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD, which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat, but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

    Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

    Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

    Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

    Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

    - posted by poopbot: the bot formerly known as pwpbot

    BS3cY4Lu5s Post #532
  79. i can't believe i have my own acronym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    FRTSAPP

    i am honored and flabbergasted. basically the only way i know how to deal with it is by crapflooding some porn.

    8==D( * )sexxxualasspussy

    Quietly Steve peaked around the corner of the house trying to peak into an open window. It was late, must have been close to 10pm. Steve has been watching this house closely for the past few weeks. A month ago new neighbors moved in across the street. He heard the gossip from other neighbors that it was a divorced mother and her daughter. The mother's name was Amy. She looked to be in her late 30s maybe early 40s. She is 5'5", 120 pounds long brown hair with an incredible smile. Her daughter was pretty much the same in looks and her name was Christine. She was a freshmen in a near by college. She was 5'2, a little bit thinner than her mother with the same long brown hair. Steve has watched her several times come home from school. Sometimes she would get a ride home by some jock. He would walk her to the door, but never got the chance to get in the house. One guy even had his hand on her tight ass all the way to the door, but again got turned away at the door. Steve was beginning to believe Christine was a virgin. Steve is 30 years old. Being taller than average at 6'3 and 190 pounds. For weeks Steve has been watching this house. He has never seen any men around. Amy would work late, normally getting home around 9:30 during the week. Leaving Amy home alone.

    Tonight Steve was looking out the window and saw Amy come home and walk in. He quickly got some things together in a backpack and walked out his house. He looked around and quickly ran across the street. His neighborhood was extremely quiet at night so his footsteps echoed around him. He slid over to the side of the house where he believed that the bedrooms were located at. He slowly moved over and peaked through the patio window and saw Amy flipping through some mail then walked out of site. She was much better looking than he thought. Like mother like daughter, Amy also had an incredible ass. Steve's cock started to get hard looking at it. He looked around the corner of the house and saw two windows with lights on. He slowly and quietly moved along the side of the house and peaked in the first window. There was Christine sitting at her computer doing homework. She was wearing a white t-shirt and a pair of red panties. Steve's imagination was now running wild. He had to fuck her. He watched her for a few minutes then moved down to the second window. Amy was standing in her room; she was removing her make up. Steve wasn't sure what Amy did for a living. She was wearing a white button down shirt with a pair of blue jeans. She stood up and started to unbutton her shirt. Steve was glued to this spot. She removed her shirt revealing a white lace bra. Steve couldn't normally tell by her clothing, but Amy had an incredible set of breast. Steve kept watching as she reached back and unfastens her bra. It fell away. Steve's cock got hard as he stood there and was looking at Amy's tits. She must have been at least a 36C. Her tits looked huge compared to her size. Steve reached down and rubbed his cock through his jeans. Amy reached down and started to unbutton her jeans. She pulled them down revealing that incredible ass. She was wearing white lace thong panties. It is hard to believe that she was single. Her ass was so tight. He had to fuck her. There stood Amy completely naked. Steve watched as Amy walked out of view. She walked into her bathroom. Steve waited a few minutes and was able to hear the shower turn on. Steve's imagination started up. He looked closely at the window. He reached up and tried to open the window. Bingo, unlocked. He slide the window over and as quietly as he could he jumped up and climbed in threw the window.

    Steve got close to the bathroom and peaked in. Steve saw the silhouette of Amy washing that incredible body. Steve reached down and unzipped his backpack and pulled out a black ski mask. He stood up and quickly started to remove his clothing. Shirt, pants, shoes, his socks and then his underwear. He then placed the ski mask over his head. There he was standing naked in her bedroom wearing only a ski mask. He reach down and started to stroke his cock. It started to get hard. When fully erect Steve's cock was eight inches long and two inches thick. He grabbed his backpack and dropped it out the window. He looked in the bathroom once again and saw Amy shaving her legs. Perfect thought Steve. He walked out of Amy's room and quietly walked about 15 feet to a closed door. The door to Christine's room.

    He was able to hear that she had the radio on. She was listening to a local radio station and it was turned up pretty loud. He knocked on the door. Steve heard Christine say, "Come in". Steve stood there in silence and knocked again. Christine stood up from her chair and opened the door and was met by a power punch in the gut. Christine let out a whimper and fell back to the floor. Steve walked in the room and closed the door behind him. Christine looked up and saw Steve standing there naked frightened her deeply. Christine was starting to cry. Steve reached down and grabbed her arm and pulled her up. He threw her towards the bed. Steve moved over and grabbed a hold of her t-shirt and ripped it off her body. Christine was crying uncontrollably now. "Make any noise and your mother will receive the same fate," whispers Steve. Steve continues to remove her t-shirt. Christine was trying to fight back. Steve slapped her, knocking her into a daze. Steve got her t-shirt off. Christine's tits were a tad bit smaller than her mothers, but just as perfect. They looked big on a girl her age. Steve grabbed both of her wrists and pushed her back onto the bed. He bent down and started to suck on her nipples. He reached down and started to rub her pussy through her panties. Christine started to scream, but Steve's other hand quickly covered her mouth. Steve slid back and grabbed a hold of the waistband of her panties and pulled them down and all the way off. He balled her panties up and stuffed them deep into her mouth. There laid Christine naked on her bed. Steve reached down and spread Christine legs wide. Christine's eyes got wide as she saw Steve grab his hard cock and started to aim it towards her pussy. Steve was able to hear her moan threw the panties. Steve placed his left forearm across her upper chest and reaches down and started to push his cock into her. She started to thrash around. That only allowed Steve to push his cock all the way in. She felt so damn good. Steve reached down and placed her right leg on his shoulder than her left. He wanted to fuck her brains out. Steve slowly slid his cock in and out of her. She was crying and screaming on each stroke. After a few strokes he remembered all those guys that got turned away at her front door. Steve turned into a jackhammer and started to fuck much harder. Christine was shaking her head from side to side and was trying to push Steve off, but it was no use. He was much stronger and Christine was just able to lie there and take the fucking of her life. Steve started to moan. She looked up at him. Their eyes met. "I'm going to fill your pussy up with my cum, baby" said Steve. This only made Christine fight more. "I can't wait to see you on the street, pregnant and carrying my child. Guess what, after I'm done with you I am going after mommy" Said Steve. Steve pumped harder and harder and unloaded his hot cum deep inside her unprotected womb. Steve smiled and kept his cock deep inside her for a few minutes not wanted to let any cum escape. "Hmmm I'm going to have to come back again real soon," said Steve. Steve stood up and Christine curled herself up in a ball on her bed. Steve reached down and grabbed a hold of Christine by her neck and punched her in the face knocking her out.

    Steve quietly moved towards the door and opened it slowly. He was going to sneak into Amy's bedroom, but heard a noise come from the kitchen area. The radio from Christine's room covered any noises. Amy walked right by Christine's room as she was unwillingly getting impregnated. Steve moved towards the kitchen. He peaked around the corner and saw Amy standing in front of the sink wearing a bathrobe. Her hair was wet. She looked very sexy. He thought to himself. One down and one to go.

    Steve slowly moved towards Amy. "Hi honey, how is homework going?" asked Amy. Not knowing to her that Christine was out of action. Steve moved quick and pinned Amy up against the sink. Steve grabbed her back the back of the head and his right arm wrapped around her waist. "Make any noise and your daughter will be very sorry," explained Steve. Amy whimpered and nodded her head. Steve's right hand slide down her body and slid inside her robe. She was naked underneath. He found her pussy. She was still moist from her shower. A tear ran down her cheek. "When was the last time you got fucked?" asked Steve. Amy didn't answer. "Well don't worry about it, cause you are going to get fucked tonight and right here" explained Steve. Amy started to cry. Steve reached around and untied Amy's bathrobe and threw it to the side. Her ass was perfect. She could feel his hard cock rubbing against her and this only made her more frightened to know that he was standing behind her naked. Steve grabbed Amy by the waist and pulled her back a bit, then pushed on her shoulders making her bend over. Amy knew what was coming. "As long as you don't fight it your daughter will be safe," said Steve. Steve reached down and took a hold of his hard cock and started to push forward. It must have been a long time since Amy has had a cock inside her; she was just as tight as her daughter. He pushed forward and the head of his cock slid inside her pussy. Once inside both of Steve's hands cupped Amy's tits and squeezed. Steve pushed forward and his cock slid all the way in. Amy moaned loudly. He started to fuck her right there in the kitchen. Each stroke Steve was able to hear Amy moan and cry at the same time. She hated and loved his invading cock. He reached down and grabbed a hold of her waist and started to fuck her harder. Her moaning got louder. "Please don't cum inside me, I'm ovulating right now" explained Amy. This only set Steve over the edge and shot his hot cum deep into Amy's unprotected womb. Steve kept pumping, unloading more and more cum inside her. Steve pulled out his cock and Amy dropped to her knees crying. Just as Steve was going to run out the door he turned and looked at Amy. "Hey sexy. You might want to check on your little girl, I fucked her first," explained Steve. Steve's last vision was seeing Amy running out of the kitchen towards Christine's room.

    Later that night Steve saw out the window a few police cars. A lot of rumors went around the neighborhood, but no one was ever caught. Steve sees that Amy is now dating a police officer and Christine pretty much keeps to herself taking a taxi home and guess what. They are both pregnant carrying Steve's children.

  80. Hello by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Introduction

    A fairy gives lectures on morality to the feline anomaly. Furthermore, another photon near an abstraction takes a coffee break, and a mortician buries a blithe spirit. The wedding dress secretly admires a college-educated ball bearing. If the freight train figures out a fire hydrant near a pit viper, then some mating ritual beyond another cowboy reads a magazine. Any squid can find lice on a freight train, but it takes a real recliner to ostensibly plan an escape from another pit viper defined by a prime minister a cough syrup toward a graduated cylinder.

    Another mating ritual

    For example, a blood clot about a turn signal indicates that a financial bartender borrows money from a warranty. When a demon is imaginative, a paper napkin secretly admires an often snooty graduated cylinder. If the grain of sand learns a hard lesson from the short order cook behind some graduated cylinder, then another blithe spirit flies into a rage. Any pig pen can lazily require assistance from a burly plaintiff, but it takes a real fighter pilot to caricature the steam engine over a satellite. Another eagerly temporal minivan slyly buries the obsequious squid, or a briar patch usually gives lectures on morality to a cyprus mulch.

    A gratifying fairy

    Sometimes another cashier reads a magazine, but the fraction for the cyprus mulch always buries a power drill toward the demon! The light bulb befriends a satellite of an apartment building. A lazily Alaskan roller coaster sanitizes another mitochondrial traffic light, or some burglar eats a hesitantly smelly plaintiff. For example, a seldom righteous traffic light indicates that an ocean knows some chestnut inside the tabloid. If the earring somewhat finds subtle faults with a pine cone, then the wheelbarrow hibernates.

    The cocker spaniel about the salad dressing

    For example, the umbrella toward an abstraction indicates that the dolphin near a ball bearing caricatures a girl scout near some diskette. A cocker spaniel for the judge reads a magazine, and a pine cone finds subtle faults with a rattlesnake. Furthermore, the hairy movie theater returns home, and a grizzly bear near a paycheck is a big fan of a childlike burglar. For example, a canyon living with a graduated cylinder indicates that the industrial complex buries a jersey cow.

    Conclusions

    A squid around a jersey cow meditates, and another nation sweeps the floor; however, a scooby snack knowingly finds subtle faults with an apartment building living with another chain saw. When a hockey player around a paycheck is smelly, a minivan has a change of heart about an oil filter about an asteroid. The bartender around a polygon is barely soggy. Indeed, another rattlesnake befriends a warranty. Indeed, the carpet tack for an abstraction usually caricatures an elusive h

    - posted by poopbot: news for turds, stuff that splatters

    GwZosC75Bo Post #533

  81. CG Compiler is opensource, CG *IS NOT* by Nite_Hawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's important to make the distinction here. nVidia has opensourced the parser and compiler for CG, but they control the language. Look at it this way, nvidia needs something to show off NV30 with, and CG will be the thing to do it. This is in direct competition with the opengl 2.0 and DX9 HLSLs though, and you can bet that they won't be steering CG in any directions favorable to their competition like ATI or 3DLabs. It's fine if nVidia wants to do their own thing, but realize that this cg isn't nearly as open as the "opensource" headline makes it sound.

  82. WinXP Shows where MS is Going by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going.

    "I've heard WinXP removed the cmd/command prompt."

    No, Microsoft didn't remove the CMD.EXE or COMMAND.COM prompt from Windows XP. But Windows XP has reduced functionality, in many ways, not just in the command line. The command line is a big embarrassment because of its limited capabilities, but at least in Win 95 it worked. With every version since then it has worked less well. (There are two kinds of command prompt, and, according to Microsoft employees, the differences between them are not documented.)

    The command line prompt sometimes begins to display short file names. Microsoft employees say that Microsoft has no fix, although someone not connected with Microsoft did make a work-around.

    Cutting and pasting into a command line program often puts successive extra spaces before each line. Microsoft employees say that there is no plan to fix this.

    The fast paste mode that is in Windows 98 is gone in Windows XP. Microsoft employees say there is no plan to fix this.

    When using the command line interface, Windows XP doesn't always update the time. After several hours, the time reported to command line programs can be several hours in error.

    There is a DOS program called START.EXE that can be used to start other programs. But it does operate the same way as in other versions of Windows. It starts a program, but cannot be made to return control to the command line program as previous versions did. There is no technical reason for this; it is just one of the shortcomings that are allowed to exist.

    People often say that DOS has gone away. But Microsoft still calls the command line interface DOS, and in Windows XP Microsoft has added new programs for configuring the OS that work only under DOS.

    Sometimes when you press a key while using Windows XP, it is seconds until there is any response. Apparently there is something wrong with the CPU scheduler in XP, because there are a lot of complaints about this in the forums and MS people have said that they are working on it. On one particular fresh installation of XP, on an Intel motherboard with either a Matrox G550 or an ATI Radeon video adapter, it requires 18 seconds to display a directory listing of 94 items. This is apparently related to a bug in the video software, not the adapter drivers.

    Something is wrong with the Alt-Tab display of running programs under Windows XP. If there are a lot of programs, not all of them are displayed. The order jumps around in a seemingly random way.

    Although articles often say negative things about Microsoft, I've never seen an article that fully documents how bad the situation really is. Microsoft's management is so bad that the company has become self-destructive. For example, Windows XP is spyware. Here is a list of ways Windows XP connects to Microsoft's servers:
    1. Application Layer Gateway Service (Requires server rights.)
    2. Fax Service
    3. File Signature Verification
    4. Generic Host Process for Win32 Services (Requires server rights.)
    5. Microsoft Application Error Reporting
    6. Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer
    7. Microsoft Direct Play Voice Test
    8. Microsoft Help and Support Center
    9. Microsoft Help Center Hosting Server (Wants server rights.)
    10. Microsoft Management Console
    11. Microsoft Media Player (tells Microsoft the music you like)
    12. Microsoft Network Availability Test
    13. Microsoft Volume Shadow Copy Service
    14. MS DTC Console program
    15. Run DLL as an app
    16. Services and Controller app
    17. Time Service, sets the time on your computer from Microsoft's computer.
    18. Microsoft Office keeps a number in each file you create that identifies your computer. Microsoft has never said why.
    19. Microsoft mouse software has reduced functionality until you let it connect to Microsoft computers.
    These are just the ones I know. There may be others.

    So, if you use Windows XP, your computer is dependent on Microsoft computers. That's bad, not only because you lose control over your possession, but because Microsoft produces buggy software and doesn't patch bugs quickly. For example, as of July 7, 2002, there are 18 unpatched security holes in Microsoft Internet Explorer. This is a terrible record for a company that has $40 billion in the bank. Obviously, with that kind of money, Microsoft could fix the bugs if it wanted to fix them. Since the bugs are very public and Microsoft has the money, it seems reasonable to suppose that top management at Microsoft has deliberately decided that the bugs should remain, at least for now.

    It seems possible that there is a connection between all the bugs and the U.S. government's friendly treatment of Microsoft's law-breaking. The U.S. government's CIA and FBI and NSA departments spy on the entire world, and unpatched vulnerabilities in Microsoft software help spies.

    Windows XP, and all current Windows operating systems, have a file called the registry in which configuration information is written. If this one (large, often fragmented) file becomes corrupted, the only way of recovering may be to re-format the hard drive, re-install the operating system, and then re-install and re-configure all the applications. The registry file is a single, very vulnerable, point of failure. Microsoft apparently designed it this way to provide copy protection. Since most entries in the registry are poorly documented or not documented, the registry effectively prevents control by the user.

    Note that Microsoft does not support making functional complete backups under Windows XP. Look at Microsoft's policy about this: Q314828 Microsoft Policy on Disk Duplication of Windows XP Installation. Only those who work with Microsoft software will understand the true meaning of Microsoft's policy. Since almost all programs use the registry operating system file, if you cannot make a functional copy of the operating system you cannot make a functional copy of all your application installations and configurations. There are other software companies that try to fix this, but they don't work well, and Microsoft can, of course, break their implementations, as they have often done with other kinds of competitors.

    Because the configuration information for the motherboard and the configuration information for the are mixed together in the registry file, the registry tends to prevent you from moving a hard drive to a computer with a different motherboard. That's another implication of the above Microsoft policy. So, if you have a motherboard failure, and a good complete backup, you may not be able to recover unless you have a spare computer with the same motherboard.

    Note that Windows XP Professional can support only ten simultaneous incoming network connections. If you want more than that, you must use Windows 2000 server, and pay much, much more. (There is no Windows XP server yet.) Many businesses have very light network traffic; they just move files from staff member to staff member; they really don't need a dedicated server computer. The staff computers could easily handle the load except for this artificial limitation.

    Apparently because the Windows XP GUI comes from Windows 98, Windows XP has the same problem with desktop icons that Windows 98 has. The icons sometimes flicker. Sometimes they move themselves around, particularly after the user switches monitor resolutions. Also, sometimes the taskbar settings un-configure themselves, as they do in Windows 98.

    Only technically knowledgeable people know how to avoid signing up for a Microsoft Passport account during initial use of Windows XP. The name Passport gives an indication of Microsoft's thinking. A passport is a document issued by a sovereign nation. Without it, the nation's citizens cannot travel, and, if they leave, won't be allowed back in their own country. In Microsoft's corporate thinking, the company seems to be moving in the direction of believing that they own the user's computer. Most people are both honest and intimidated. Apparently about 95% do whatever they are asked on the screen. They give their personal information to Microsoft. They don't realize that, if they feel forced to get a Passport account, they should enter almost completely fictitious information, since the real question is not "What is your name and address", but "Can we invade your privacy". The honest answer to this is "No, you cannot invade my privacy", and the only effective way to communicate that is to give completely fictitious information. Since it is the educated people who have computers, Microsoft is building a database of the personal lives of educated people. Microsoft knows when they connect and from what IP address (which tends to show the area), what kind of help they ask, and information about what they are doing with their computers, including what music they like. It is not known, and there is no way to know, how much Microsoft or other organizations make use of this information, or their plans for future use.

    Not only has Windows XP definitely gone further in the direction of allowing the user less control over his or her own machine, but with Palladium, Microsoft apparently intends to finish the job: Microsoft will have ultimate control over the user's computer and therefore all his or her data. Even now, under Windows XP, a recent security patch requires that the user agree to a contract that gives Microsoft administrator privileges over the user's computer. The contract says that if a user wants to patch his or her system against a bug which would allow an attack over the Internet, he or she must give Microsoft legal control over the computer. See this article also: Microsoft's Digital Rights Management-- A Little Deeper. You may need to be a lawyer to take apart the crucial sentence. "These security related updates may disable your ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and [my emphasis] use other software on your computer" legally includes this meaning: "These updates may disable your ability to use other software on your computer." Note that the term "security related updates" is meaningless to the user because the updates have no relation to user security. So, the sentence effectively means that Microsoft can control the user's computer without notice and whenever it wants. That kind of sentence is known in psychology as "testing the limits". If there is no strong public complaint about this, expect to see more and stronger language like this.

    This Register article shows the direction Microsoft is going: MS Palladium protects IT vendors, not you. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and Microsoft is well down that road. See this ZDNet article, also: MS: Why we can't trust your 'trustworthy' OS.

    Microsoft's self-destructiveness does not mean that the user should be self-destructive. There is no need to apologize for using Microsoft software. The correct solution to abuse is persuading the abuser to stop being abusive. Once I posted to a Slashdot story a link to an article on a web site of mine. By far the majority of visitors from the Slashdot story used Microsoft operating systems. Rather than feel embarrassed because Microsoft is abusive, action needs to be taken to prevent the abuse. If you are against Microsoft abuse, you are not against Microsoft; you are more pro-Microsoft than Bill Gates.

    These Microsoft policies mean that any government which wants to be independent of the United States government, and any government which represents itself as controlled by the people, cannot use Microsoft operating systems, or other Microsoft proprietary systems.




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    O9Gw5tLepP Post #534
  83. Since when...? by ColGraff · · Score: 2

    Since when do I need any sort of excuse - like encouraging Cg - to buy an Nvidia card? I needed an excuse?

    --
    I'm the stranger...posting to /.
  84. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the lack of customer loyalty was what put 3Dfx out of business.

  85. LOVELY SNOT! WONDERFUL SNOT! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
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  86. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by t0qer · · Score: 2

    Don't think that your 6 year old TNT2 card will become some magic speed demon if nVidia gives you driver source.

    Did I say that? I thought I said...
    If that really is the case, it means that TNT2 cards are capable of all the neat tricks gforce cards only alot slower.

    Please read comments before replying, thank you.

    --toq

  87. C for graphics? by c_wraith · · Score: 1

    C for graphics?

    Does this mean I can segfault my video card now?

    After all, it's not C if my first version of the code that compiles doesn't segfault immediately.

  88. A Shader standard by pajor · · Score: 1

    Cg technology could be a great step forward. By releasing it under a nonrestrictive license, companys like splutterfish can accelerate their plans for a shading language in brazil.

    The standardization on a shading language is going to push forward renderers two a new level, creating a massive pool of competition to Pixar's Photorealistic Renderman.

    --
    Gnuyen
  89. Re:As free as the nVidia graphics card Linux modul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I understand it -- yes, only a portion of the compiler will be free, namely the front end. This is likely to be the trend with shading language compilers in the future, regardless of the what the languages itself is:

    - An open source compiler front end, which scans and parses the language and performs semantic analysis. The output is probably the intermediate representation in the form of an abstract syntax tree. This is all standard compiler stuff.

    - Vendor-specific, closed-source compiler back ends. The back ends are responsible for mapping the platform-independent intermediate representation to hardware-specific object code (e.g. NV_vertex_program or ATI_vertex_program). They'll be closed-source because the vendors often perform hardware-specific optimizations that take advantage of architecture design details. Since they never disclose architecture internals for competitive reasons, they won't release code for their compiler back end, either.

    Eric

  90. Do we need complex acronyms? by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    Credits: dmg

    Yet again the Linux so-called elite, backed up by their pseudo intellectual cohorts of the w3c conspire to ruin Linux's chances in the marketplace by sowing confusion and complexity. As someone with years of experience in the marketing world, I am constantly amazed at the willingness of the W3C and other bodies to pollute the acronym space with their content free "TLAs".

    Basic marketing 101 (and an undergrad course in psychology) would tell them that the normal person is only capable of remembering approximately 7 items of data in their short-term memory, but now we have to remember HTTP, HTML, XML, XSL, DTD, PHP, SSL, DSL, ADSL, ISDN, Perl, etc etc etc

    This is a text book example of the tail wagging the dog from a marketing perspective.

    I have been following the standardisation of the web for many many months now, but one thing has become clear, E-commerce will NEVER become popular so long as there are so many confusing acronyms involved. The guys in charge of marketing Linux absolutely MUST work to reduce the number of acronyms. One possible solution would be to merge those protocols which are not all that different. For example, why not merge XML with SGML ? (they could call it XSGML or SXGML or perhaps XMSGML), they seem to address the same problems. Or would that be too simplistic a solution for their pampered elitist ivy-league minds to comprehend ?

    If something is not done URGENTLY, and I mean URGENTLY, Linux (and other more experimental derivatives such as FreeBSD) can never hope to be taken seriously as an e-commerce platform by the people who count - the accountants.

    The miracle of Linux is that anyone actually runs it at all, considering one seems to require a masters in computer science to install it! (contrast this with NT4 which was so easy to install, we let our receptionist upgrade her own machine).

    As usual my "open source" advice is free. Hopefully this time my valuable advice will be taken into account the next time the w3c smell an acronym brewing.

    Finally, in conclusion, as an American, I am saddened that the Internet seems to have been commandeered by a European based protocol. Was America so short of talent we had to buy the HTML protocol from Tom Berners-Lee at CERN ?

    Think of the security implications of the worlds strongest economy, running an e-commerce protocol developed by a foreigner from Socialist Europe. Remember the wall has not been down for that long. Who knows what kind of trojans might be lurking within the depths of these complicated protocols.

    I am afraid I am behind Al Gore on this point, how can this be necessary in the home of smart corporations such as Microsoft and Intel ? The answer is the vast subsidies given by European socialist governments to fund development of the HTML specification.

    The solution is clear. The federal government should mandate and strongly subsidise the use of Microsoft software for all US corporations involved in e-commerce. Only with a US-developed set of protocols can we be assured of the security of our transactions.

    - posted by poopbot: news for turds, stuff that splatters

    rOMypEFGBu Post #537

  91. ATI Would Be Happy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Nvidia's defense(and as my own defense as a stockholder), open sourcing their drivers is one of the worst things they could do.Right now, all that keeps ATI below Nvidia is drivers; the Radeon 9700 has proven that ATI has the hardware to meet/beat Nvidia, but history says they lack the drivers. If ATI had access to Nvidia's driver source code, ATI could very well beat Nvidia, putting it in dire straights if it can't keep up with its hardware for even a short period of time(remember what happened to 3dfx when it lost its edge).

    This isn't simply software here, drivers are as important as any silicon is(just ask Nvidia, they have more software engineers than hardware engineers). Open Source, while nice, would end their market advantage, and may very well end the competition in the graphics industry, since hardware is being "mandated" and standardized by Microsoft. Think of drivers as the service the "ideal: open source company would provide to make their money, not as something that can be easily tossed aside.

    1. Re:ATI Would Be Happy by HeUnique · · Score: 2

      NVidia cannot release the source code due to parts which are not belong to them (they belong to SGI and other parties)...

      BUT - do you really think that ATI or Matrox cannot reverse engineer the driver? Go ask Matrox engineer and they'll swear that NVidia reversed engineers Matrox's binary only driver for dual head and thats how NVidia got dual head (at least thats what one of Matrox engineers told me)

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      Hetz (Heunique)
    2. Re:ATI Would Be Happy by dinivin · · Score: 4, Informative

      NVidia cannot release the source code due to parts which are not belong to them (they belong to SGI and other parties)...

      SGI has said, on a number of occaisions, that they are not at all involved in keeping the nVidia driver closed source. They have also stated that they are in favor of open sourcing the driver.

      Dinivin

    3. Re:ATI Would Be Happy by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Matrox engineers probably would claim that at this point. Basically dual head technology is old news and anyone can make a dual-headed card. This isn't nvidia's bread and butter and never was, so I doubt they took the time to reverse engineer Matrox's stuff.

      It's a wonder Matrox is still alive in this day and age. Sure, they have what is considered the best 2d card of all time, and that's nice for OEMs and a handful of windows-using graphic designers, but the margins just aren't there. They lost the 3d race more than 5 years ago. ATI is barely keeping up and their driver quality is too poor to help them win.

      Nvidia just owns the 3d market now, have for the last 2 years or more.

    4. Re:ATI Would Be Happy by Darren+Winsper · · Score: 1

      Err...barely keeping up? Go look at the reviews for the Radeon 9700.

    5. Re:ATI Would Be Happy by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Oh come on! If you can get one display working, then adding a second is trivial. You just need a second RamDac reading a separate area of your display memory, and make sure your display driver plays nice with the OS. It certainly is beyond most of our capabilities, but then how many people have the knowledge and equipment to build their own video cards in the first place ? Not very many. But for those in the business, they know what they're doing, and they don't need to look over the other' shoulder to figure out simple problems like these.

      --
      -Billco, Fnarg.com
  92. My Lunix Experience by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Happy Troll Tuesday!

    I've been using home computers since the VIC-20 and I've come to dread and fear the possibility of being forced to adopt Linux as a result of Microsoft's heavy-handedness. After being hyped by friends and co-workers about the pleasures of this great and fantastic open-source operating system, I attempted to load Linux, not once but four times on three year old PC that was previously running Win98.

    The first time took me about an hour to realize that I had to reformat the hard disk and wipe out years worth of work (after backing it up on CD-R). Then I had to figure that the only way to get the Linux CD to actually start loading was to boot it from the CD by modifying the CMOS settings as the PC was starting up. A simple line suggesting this that could have been printed on the CD would have saved a lot of time!

    After loading a whole gigabyte of stuff onto the empty hard drive (do I really need to load 50 megabytes of TeX fonts when I'm just trying to get a demo of Linux????), the entire process halted when the floppy disk drive didn't respond. The Linux loader demanded a working floppy backup of some obscure file be made and since I've never used the floppy drive, I didn't know that it didn't work. The installation process locked up and I had to reboot.

    The reboot left me in UNIX hell: a black screen half filled with incomprehensible characters with a single flashing dollar sign as the only indication that the entire PC was still working. No matter what I typed or tried (simple intutitve commands like 'help' 'review' 'exit' 'restore' 'dir' 'What the fuck is happening?') nothing made any intelligent response except for returning me to the flashing dollar sign. Shit! I'm in Dante's seventh circle of hell for misers. I was forced to reformat the hard drive and reinstall Windows in order to confirm that I still had a working PC.

    I bought a new floppy drive that I will never use in order to load this wonderful and fantastic operating system. Reformated the hard drive, reset the CMOS, and loaded a whole gig of worthless junk from the penguin CD. Everything loaded and I made all of the selections for keyboard and mouse ect... The system rebooted and got to the point where it should have started to work and simply stopped. No response to mouse, keypress, or anything. I reloaded Windows (it worked perfectly) and decided to load Linux on my new good computer.

    I ended up back bashed back in UNIX hell and having to load Windows and ALL of my programs and files from CD backups, which took hours. I convinced that Linux is some kind of really bad joke or else an 'emperor's new clothes' type of mass hallucination. How can anyone with a pretension of being a computer professional seriously believe or claim that this junk is ready to take on Windows?

    - posted by poopbot: because we're all crapflooders at heart

    xCMOMwYpJW Post #538

  93. Censordot!! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Happy Troll Tuesday!


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    • Lameness filters (It blocks a lot of legitmate posts)
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    • Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
    The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.
    • Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter
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  94. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by mstorer3772 · · Score: 1

    "If that really is the case, it means that TNT2 cards are capable of all the neat tricks gforce cards only allot slower."

    Kinda sorta but not really. An updated driver for a TNT2 board could emulate in software all the silicon a TNT2 is missing. That's true regardless of what card you have. There are software-only OpenGL drivers out there. ...but that's not really what you're after, is it? Maybe I just didn't understand you. I usually understand raving loonies just fine (professional courtesy and all that :P), but you're thinking just strikes me as a little out of kilter.

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    Fooz Meister
  95. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by t0qer · · Score: 2

    Great another raving looney :P

    Well, I used to work with the guys from play inc. One of them basically explained how the snappy video snapshot worked.

    Their custom chip was sort of combination of rom/ram and logic. The rom acted as a bootstrap for basic parrelel port communications. The ram would store code downloaded via the parrelel port, and the logic would chew on that.

    Basically the snappy never really got any REAL upgrades to the hardware. (note this is where nvidia and play differs, nvidia adds faster hardware) Versions 1 2 and 3 of the snappy were all nothing more than "soft upgrades"

    I think nvidia cards work in the same fashion, that's why we see such an performance increase between driver releases because the actual chip logic is loaded at boot.

    1. Preboot, vga compatible mode
    2. Boot, load custom OS specific hardware register code
    3. Load OS specific driver for glue between the OS and the hardware (which is really software)

    There is only so much you can do from calls to the OS for speed. If on the otherhand you could "soft upgrade" the hardware on boot, everytime you optimized that boot software a little more, it would stand to reason that the card would run faster.

    So basically if you wanted to add that "gwhiz AA x4" feature to your card, you could write it in software, and load it into your card at boot.

    Like I said earlier, nvidia open sourcing it would probably lead to a lot of the newer cards features being found on older cards, only a helluva lot slower. This too, is a reasonable assumption because the hardware is slower. It's no less capable of running the same code though.

    Hope that clears things up.

  96. This is awesome! by Lethyos · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Hah! You know, everyone should go read this post I made in reference to the Slashcode changes.

    I mentioned how CmdrTaco and friends will never defeat the trolls because they are some of the most ingenius and inventive Slashdot users. This is a perfect example. Way to go sllort! Thanks for proving me right!

    All the changes to Slashcode will do is hurt the users who do not troll. Stupid Taco.

    --
    Why bother.
  97. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by Quarters · · Score: 2

    I'll try to sum it up for you in simple terms, since you can't seem to grasp the concept.

    TNT2 doesn't have the transistors to do hardware transform and lighting. It can't do pixel and vertex shaders. Those can only be done in dedicated hardware or on the CPU. No amount of driver source code will change that.

    Via proper software drivers (OpenGL and/or DirectX) TNT2 cards can *already* run games that use pixel and vertex shaders. It's just that since the card is offloading all of those calcuations to the CPU the programs are intolerably slow.

    Please take your random thoughts to logical conclusions before posting insipid open letters to corporations.

  98. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by Quarters · · Score: 2
    So basically if you wanted to add that "gwhiz AA x4" feature to your card, you could write it in software, and load it into your card at boot.
    Total BS. The registers to do HW T&L don't exist on anything below a GeForce 1 card. The registers to do pixel and vertex shaders don't exist on anything below a GF3 card.

    There is no way you could write a new driver for a TNT2 card that would allow it to do those advanced features. Give up the pipe dream. A programable pipleline graphics card != a simple video convertor box. It doesn't matter how much you believe that the hardware/software design behind a Snappy can be transfered to a video card, it just isn't going to work.

  99. Here's a letter I wrote... by Lethyos · · Score: 2
    The parent is 100% correct. They need to hear from real, genuine customers who are interested in their products because of their support for open source. Here's a letter I composed to the contact on the press release. Do NOT copy this word-for-word. It is only meant to give an idea of what we should probably be saying. (Incidently, the letter is entirely true. That is also important.)
    Greetings!

    I have used an NVIDIA TNT2 for the past several years, and have been hesitant to buy a new 3D card lately. The offerings have (mostly) all been good, but I've been looking into which company was most willing to support open source initiatives. I choose open source because I believe the community is able to produce superior products compared to closed source alternatives. As a result, I look to purchase from companies who are willing either to make their products available and interoperable with open source technologies, or make contributions the open source community can use.

    Today, I read NVIDIA's announcement (http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=IO_20020719_726 9 "NVIDIA Open Sources Cg Compiler Technology") and was immensely pleased. As a direct result, my decision was made. I took the plunge and picked up an NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti based video card on my way home from work. I'm incredibly happy with the product (performance under XFree86 is excellent) and the company that produced its core technology.

    In conclusion, I want to make it clear that this purchase was triggered by NVIDIA's move to open source Cg. This makes a powerful technology available to those of us who chose not to be bound to one vendor's idea of how the industry ought to be shaped. I am eager to remain an NVIDIA customer as your company enables my platform of choice!
    --
    Why bother.
    1. Re:Here's a letter I wrote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My god what a brown nosed fuckhead.

    2. Re:Here's a letter I wrote... by Lethyos · · Score: 1

      My god, an anonymous coward.

      --
      Why bother.
    3. Re:Here's a letter I wrote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tofuchute@hotmail.com - kiss my ass!

  100. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by t0qer · · Score: 2

    Microcode updates? Bios Updates? Programmable Grid Arrays? Ever hear of any of these? Probably not.
    I won't flame you, you obviously don't know enough about hardware to make any logical conclusions yourself..

  101. Why NVidia will never release driver source by DragonHawk · · Score: 2

    "Now if only they would do the same with their drivers!"

    I known someone who once worked for MetroLink. He was part of the team that was writing the NVidia device driver for Metro-X. They were a source licensee, under NDA, yadda yadda, so they had access to the NVidia driver source.

    He said that the NVidia driver source is highly coupled with the chip design. Apparently, the NVidia driver people have intimate knowledge of the hardware design, and take advantage of it. This lets the driver exploit as much of the hardware's potential as possible. However, it also means that the driver has specific knowledge of the hardware design.

    Given that NVidia's sole business is chip design, you can bet that they will never release source for that driver. It contains too much of their business. (No, it is not a chip schematic, but that isn't the point. It contains enough to make their lawyers unhappy.)

    For better or worse, that is the way it is with NVidia. If you do not like it, do not buy their cards.

    --

    dragonhawk@iname.microsoft.com
    I do not like Microsoft. Remove them from my email address.
    1. Re:Why NVidia will never release driver source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, Somebody, mod this up. This is exactly the reason that nVidia, ATI, Matrox, 3Dlabs, SIS, Via, whoever will not open source their drivers. The contents would be a goldmine for the other companies in that list.

      It's called trying to retain a competative advantage in a very cut throat sector.

  102. wait for the RenderMonkey from ATI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the 9700, we can all then watch en-vid-E-uh play catch up for a change (like the nv1 & early riva hehe)

  103. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by Rothron+the+Wise · · Score: 1

    Would you PLEASE stop talking about stuff you obviously know nothing about? There is no PGA in the TNT. A bios/microcode update cannot make up for the lack of vertex and pixel shader silicon.
    In fact: you cannot even emulate the vertex and pixel shader path in software because there is no
    way of inserting it into the correct rendering path on the TNT2.

    You cannot emulate rendering 16 textures at once by rendering several times either because there is not enough framebuffer alpha accuracy to do it.

    You're living in a land of make believe,
    with elves and fairies and little frogs with funny green hats!

    --
    A witty .sig proves nothing
  104. Re:Seems like just another layer to keep coders ou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hey, where did wise t0qer go?

    You look like a fucking moron now, t0qer!

  105. Open Source nVidia drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the forgotten project utah-glx , to which nVidia donated code to get the TNT* cards going for XFree86 has actually continued the developement, ported the code to XFree86 4.x and added support for Geforce2 - as GF2 and Geforce4mx shares the same GPU it may be possible to at least support the lower end nVidia cards in XFree86

    however... still think the binary drivers sucks, I bought an ATI instead, and I'm perfectly happy with it, better TV-out too :)

  106. A thing of beauty is a joy forever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    This was so beautiful it gave me goosebumps.

    Thank you.

  107. Ignorance is bliss... by mallan · · Score: 1

    Cg is 100% source code compatible with the syntax of the DX9 HLSL, and the OpenGL 2.0 focus group is looking at Cg vs. 3DLab's proposal for inclusion in OpenGL 2.0.

    The upshot is that if Cg is accepted as the shading language for OpenGL 2.0, DX9 and OGL 2.0 would have the EXACT same syntax.

    Even if it isn't accepted as the shading language for OGL2, you will be able to write shaders in Cg and have them work on OpenGL 1.4+, and DX8+.

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  108. HAHA by sulli · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    brilliant.

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    sulli
    RTFJ.
  109. I can't believe that's the real reason by Art+Tatum · · Score: 1
    You can't tell me that the competition's engineers don't have access to electron microscopes.

    I think a much more likely reason is that some portions of the code are copyrighted by entities other than nVidia.