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Defcon X - Live in Las Vegas

Navisto writes: "DEFCON X gathering has begun in Las Vegas already as everyone begins to prepare for the start of Friday's event at the Alexis Park. The hacking convention is in its' 10th year and this is said to be the largest yet. This year there are dozens of speeches happening ranging from wireless, .Net security all the way to Mac OS X AppleScript security issues and hacks. Gathering in Las Vegas brings all the hackers together. This year the official events of Defcon include DC Shoot, Capture the Flag,Hacker Jeopardy, Scavenger Hunt, and this year's first WarDriving Contest. When Live Streams are activated the information will be posted on defcon.org and on the Defcon Forums... PS - E-Mail the Alexis Park letting them know their site isn't cross-browser compatible. Not everyone uses IE and NS ;)"

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  1. Alexis Park Site by Teknogeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >> PS - E-Mail the Alexis Park letting them know their site isn't cross-browser compatible. Not
    >> everyone uses IE and NS ;)"

    There's a deep irony in the home of DefCon not working with Opera.

    I think it's somewhere along the lines of the Microsoft website wsorking best with Netscape.

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    1. Re:Alexis Park Site by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      It's not ironic, it's appropriate. Anyone who went to any of the Defcons before the Alexis Park became the permanent home will agree.

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  2. Good luck and god bless... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Funny
    Lets hope the goodness going on can/will reach the masses. And good luck to attendees. Hope you brought your fake ID's and smile for the Fed cameras that will be all over the place catalogging every pretty mug. Were a hat and glasses while you run Snort off your IPaqs, ok?

    So how many people will Adobe(TM) arrest this time? I can't help the sarcasim when I feel so sad. From the days of Xmodem and BBS's to fighting DRM, Adobe, MS et. al to let information be free. Sad days indeed, but I look forward with keen eye to what comes out of their.

  3. Be discreet by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 2, Troll
    I went to a DefCon a few years ago and the place was crawling with feds. That's not surprising since the guys at those conventions are potential world-class criminals. What annoyed and disturbed me was that I, basically a nobody, was traced back to my home and lab. For about 3 years afterwards I would hear odd clicks on a lot of my phonecalls and I had all of my nuclear-related grant proposals denied on the basis of "security".

    Anyway, my point is that these DefCon thingies are totally hard-core and you need to be careful.

    1. Re:Be discreet by dboyles · · Score: 2

      I went to a DefCon a few years ago and the place was crawling with feds.

      That just makes for a good game of Spot the Fed.

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    2. Re:Be discreet by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Flamebait
      HAHAHAhahaha hohoho hehehe...hohoHAHAHHAHAAA...whoo...almost burst my lungs laughing there. Thanks for the chuckle.

      Defcon was, at one time, a cool place to go and meet really freaking cool people that didn't live anywhere near your area code. Since Defcon has been at the Alexis Park, however, it's attracted a completely different crowd. Basically, Defcon is the culmination of the Black Hat Briefings, a weeklong big-dollar security conference. The attitude is, come to Vegas during the week, see the shows, attend the real security briefings, and on the weekend we trot out the tattooed freaks for your amusement. Defcon isn't just a simple hacker con like Cuervocon or Xcon used to be. It's the weekend entertainment for a weeklong security conference. Few coders, but plenty of people dressed in black playing quake on windows laptops.

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    3. Re:Be discreet by zCyl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't usually post this type of message.

      PhysicsGenius is not a physicist, and almost every post he makes is ficticious. Check his posting history and then stop modding him up!

  4. Defcon has become too mainstream by Sivar · · Score: 2

    Defcon used to be an "underground" convention where hacks and stories were openly shared as if everyday conversation. The events, which were fewer, were far more interesting and had fewer Joe Computer User's.
    The last time I went to Defcon, 2/3 of the "Hacker's Jeopardy" questions had nothing to do with computing whatsoever (causing a friend's team to lose--they answered the obscure encryption questions correctly but knew nothing of politics and pre-WW1 history history) and almost nobody was able to break into any of the servers in CTF.
    There were entirely too many people on LSD and just about everyone was too drunk to speak coherantly. There were some interesting talks and some interesting people, but Defcon is becoming just another computer technology and open source convention. Give a talk about breaking in to a system and the feds, which are 3/4 of the people there, will have a discussion with you.
    If any of this has changed, please post.

    Note that Defcon is still the absolute best place to get clothing, besides maybe ThinkGeek.

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  5. Alexis Park vs Shockwave by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2

    PS - E-Mail the Alexis Park letting them know their site isn't cross-browser compatible. Not everyone uses IE and NS ;)"

    Oh, I have a sneaking suspicion that one of the Defcon attendees will 'fix' the page for them.

    Message to the soon-to-be [h]cracker of the Alexis Park webpage, while you are modifying the Alexis Park webpage, please remember to "demonstrate security bugs" in the Alexis Park employment database and "Flash" the webmaster out of the system.

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  6. Hotel recommendations for hackers by TeknoDragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try the Alladin!

    yes, it's pricey and they make you walk through their mall... but but their network is 3MBps up AND down (unfortunately NAT'd) and here's the best part:

    dirty dirty... WINS traffic everywhere

    don't bother using the dumb-terminals they give you... just unplug it from the wall and plug yourself in... then connect with YOUR NIC using IE and try to browse... it will send you to their subscription page and you click 'OK' to be charged $10 for a 24 hour period of net usage

    I'd like to see/hear what the Defcon crew does to their network ;->

    1. Re:Hotel recommendations for hackers by neema · · Score: 2

      They had, but they redid it. I was in Vegas just in December and I actually saw a video while I was there explaining how they blew it up and then made the new one, which is quite impressive.

      Bellagios is still the best choice, in my opinion.

  7. Re:The Hypocrisy of /. Regarding MS by Alex · · Score: 2

    Yeah I'm right with you there!

    Fuck the Enron/WorldCom shareholders, pension holders, investors, creditors. Kenneth Lay should be lauded as a creator of wealth (his wealth).

    We should let corporations do what they want after all they know best right?

    Oh wait.....

    Are you actually advocating zero government involvement with the economy, regulation etc? You haven't seen the news in the last 9 months right?

    Alex

  8. SIGGRAPH, heh by MisterBlister · · Score: 2
    Now I don't mean to imply that you deserve such measures, but to a certain extent, I think you (and other attendants of DefCon and similar events, like H2K2 and SIGGRAPH) bring it on yourselves.

    SIGGRAPH has nothing to do with computer security. Are you a troll or just stupid?

  9. Re:Why is everything "X"? This sucks. by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
    Damn Dirty Romans!!!!

    X is something different in each of your examples. X in the generation is for the "unknown" - i.e., a generation without identity. For Defcon, Jason and the OS, it is simply the number ten. By the time things (like movies, operating systems or conventions) hit ten, they have generally switched to roman numerals. Many conventions and movies start out with roman numerals. For Games, it stands for eXtreme. Goofy, but it's used in several (some fictional) sports like XWF and the XFL. Maybe it's from X as in eXtra Large - XL, XXL. For that matter, the SuperBowl is in the thirties - XXX. No idea about the movie Triple X, never heard of it... does it have to do with porn? And the X Box is probably playing off of the sports X.

    Hit the yellow pages and see how many A's Plumbers and AAAA Towing companies there are, how many eMacs, eLamps, eMeters (whups) and other eThings there are - plus iBooks, iLink on Sony equipment, iPhones, etc... At least part of it is to use a single letter to distingush the item from others.

    If only my users weren't distinguished with the letter "L". *sigh*.

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  10. Bender had it right... by Tim+Browse · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer Extortion. The X makes it sound cool."
    -- Bender, "Futurama"

    Tim :)

  11. Defcon may be crawling with feds, but CTF rulez by goonda · · Score: 4, Informative

    CTF is the sole reason to attend Defcon. If you are a security admin responsible for firewalls, VPNs, and most importantly IDS systems, plugging into the CTF network is a fantastic learning experience. Mostly cause its the most malicious traffic you are ever likely to see in one place. Don't bring your work laptop ;) I like to start up services on my *nix box, start snort, and see who knocks on my door.

  12. Subtle troll by Sanity · · Score: 2

    Wow - finally, a post actually worthy of a "Troll" moderation.

  13. Slashdot as DDoS amplifier by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2

    So much for the server with the page for the DC Shoot...

  14. DefCon brought to you by VH1 by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 2

    This started out as being a way kool gathering but now it's like Burning Man. It's "DefCon - The Event"

  15. Re:hackers != crackers!!!! by Sivar · · Score: 2

    I believe that the press doesn't like the term "cracker" because the average reader would too easily confuse it with the small bread wafer of the same name. :)

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  16. Re:Why is everything "X"? This sucks. by sc00p18 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't explain most of them, but for OS X, one of the reasons for choosing X over 10 is best summed up by Linus (when talking about the name Linux):

    "It's unix. The X has to be there. It's like a law."

  17. Re:EMail The Alexis Park? What address? by slickwillie · · Score: 2

    Check the page source. You can see a link to textonly.htm, which says you can email to sales@alexispark.com. Better yet, try this.

  18. Badkitty? by slickwillie · · Score: 2

    Is she there this time?

    1. Re:Badkitty? by ainsoph · · Score: 2

      MEOW!!!

  19. Re:DefCon... ComiCon? by Jugalator · · Score: 2

    Waaait a second, DefCon overlaps ComiCon?

    It might overlap Comicon, but definitely not Eroticon.

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  20. Honeypot paradise by ch-chuck · · Score: 2

    Gawd, wish I had a top floor room with an 802.11b antenna on the balcony facing defcon central - think of the honeypots you could setup to trap these guys, esp during the wardriving contest. A little weak encryption for cover, lots of pseudo-confidential bait, watch the fun.

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  21. Re:hackers != crackers!!!! by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2

    I, for one, am sick of people complaining about those who complain about hackers != crackers.

  22. Re:hackers != crackers!!!! by sv0f · · Score: 2

    I believe that the press doesn't like the term "cracker" because the average reader would too easily confuse it with the small bread wafer of the same name.

    Hackers are talented programmers of computers, often of Asian origin.
    Crackers are white people.

  23. Re:Why is everything "X"? This sucks. by sv0f · · Score: 2

    > "It's unix. The X has to be there. It's like a law."

    Ah, that whould explain why {Free|Net|...}BSD are "dead".


    It's a silent, unwritten "X". Trust me -- it's a weird Unicode character.

  24. Re:Why is everything "X"? This sucks. by sv0f · · Score: 2

    50 bucks says that Superbowl L will be called Superball 50 since the American public is way too stupid to associate the Roman numerial L to 50.

    Yeah, knowledge of a pissant numeral scheme indicates intelligence in the 21st century.