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Defcon X - Live in Las Vegas
Navisto writes: "DEFCON X gathering has begun in Las Vegas already as everyone begins to prepare for the start of Friday's event at the Alexis Park. The hacking convention is in its' 10th year and this is said to be the largest yet. This year there are dozens of speeches happening ranging from wireless, .Net security all the way to Mac OS X AppleScript security issues and hacks. Gathering in Las Vegas brings all the hackers together. This year the official events of Defcon include DC Shoot, Capture the Flag,Hacker Jeopardy, Scavenger Hunt, and this year's first WarDriving Contest. When Live Streams are activated the information will be posted on defcon.org and on the Defcon Forums... PS - E-Mail the Alexis Park letting them know their site isn't cross-browser compatible. Not everyone uses IE and NS ;)"
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just suck my fucking ass you dirty hippie GNU/Linux hackers!
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I'm a big fan of his work in Revenge of the Nerds 3.
>> PS - E-Mail the Alexis Park letting them know their site isn't cross-browser compatible. Not ;)"
>> everyone uses IE and NS
There's a deep irony in the home of DefCon not working with Opera.
I think it's somewhere along the lines of the Microsoft website wsorking best with Netscape.
I mod down anyone who uses M$ in their posts. I like to live on the edge.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
So how many people will Adobe(TM) arrest this time? I can't help the sarcasim when I feel so sad. From the days of Xmodem and BBS's to fighting DRM, Adobe, MS et. al to let information be free. Sad days indeed, but I look forward with keen eye to what comes out of their.
Anyway, my point is that these DefCon thingies are totally hard-core and you need to be careful.
Why does everything have to be "X"? Why can't they just use the number 10?
We have "Generation X",
"OS X"
the "X BOX"
the "X Games"
the movie "Jason X"
the movie "Triple X".
Cut the marketing crap. Using the roman numeral "X" doesn't make anything more cool or "hip", it just makes it seem tired, rehashed, and derivative.
Maybe they'll even advertise it as "Defcon: eXtreme"! I can hardly wait to see!
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
Defcon used to be an "underground" convention where hacks and stories were openly shared as if everyday conversation. The events, which were fewer, were far more interesting and had fewer Joe Computer User's.
The last time I went to Defcon, 2/3 of the "Hacker's Jeopardy" questions had nothing to do with computing whatsoever (causing a friend's team to lose--they answered the obscure encryption questions correctly but knew nothing of politics and pre-WW1 history history) and almost nobody was able to break into any of the servers in CTF.
There were entirely too many people on LSD and just about everyone was too drunk to speak coherantly. There were some interesting talks and some interesting people, but Defcon is becoming just another computer technology and open source convention. Give a talk about breaking in to a system and the feds, which are 3/4 of the people there, will have a discussion with you.
If any of this has changed, please post.
Note that Defcon is still the absolute best place to get clothing, besides maybe ThinkGeek.
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
'Nuff said.
Attention: This is a thread about people who actually know a lot about computers. Fag-intosh users will not be found anywhere near this thread. Steve "Stealing *BSD for a SECOND time" Jobs is nowhere near here with his reality distortion field. Again: his thralls are not here. Therefore your taunt is wasted.
Now return to your trolling and do in more effectively next time.
Yes, I think your sister's gaping, shit-encrusted asshole is the most delectable thing you've ever given a rim job to in your entire life. But then, that's all you've got left, since your father and his broomstick pretty much finished off her cunt.
What exactly do I mean by this? It's easy to see. Any time there is a story about Microsoft, there are 300 posts crying for the government to step in and break MS into two companies, force them to open their code, etc. Excuse me folks, but having the government interfere with the economy is not capitalism. It's communism. I don't want this great nation to end up like Russia, ok?
Another thing that pisses me off: anytime there is a circle-jerk discussion about Mozilla, people whine and bitch about how Internet Explorer doesn't conform to W3C standards, and how unfair it is. Well guess what? We don't need the W3C (government-wannabe of the Internet) forcing companies to do things. The market has decided - Internet Explorer is the standard. That's how the "Invisible Hand of John Smith" works. If you want to gain market share, follow IE's lead. Otherwise, go back to Cuba or China you commie bastards.
BTW, if this gets modded down, you can bet the Liberals are out in force modding down all non-group-think. Fuck You!
It is very easy to do. If you cannot smell his BO from twenty feet away, he's a Fed
PS - E-Mail the Alexis Park letting them know their site isn't cross-browser compatible. Not everyone uses IE and NS ;)"
Oh, I have a sneaking suspicion that one of the Defcon attendees will 'fix' the page for them.
Message to the soon-to-be [h]cracker of the Alexis Park webpage, while you are modifying the Alexis Park webpage, please remember to "demonstrate security bugs" in the Alexis Park employment database and "Flash" the webmaster out of the system.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
interesting to see people drawing attention to their Wifi and BSD honeypots recently, especially while all of Americas hackers are getting loaded on hookers, shitty hotels and changing their homepage to Google-H4x0r
Invoicing, Time Tracking, Reporting
Try the Alladin!
;->
yes, it's pricey and they make you walk through their mall... but but their network is 3MBps up AND down (unfortunately NAT'd) and here's the best part:
dirty dirty... WINS traffic everywhere
don't bother using the dumb-terminals they give you... just unplug it from the wall and plug yourself in... then connect with YOUR NIC using IE and try to browse... it will send you to their subscription page and you click 'OK' to be charged $10 for a 24 hour period of net usage
I'd like to see/hear what the Defcon crew does to their network
Here is somemore press by a small local shop, which after reading I find to be kind of funny
Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes
If anyone is a Nazi, it is you for suggesting that we all goosestep to the tune of Herr Gates!
I will be giving a talk on The Freenet Project at 5pm next Friday at DEFCON. If anyone would like a high-speed warts 'n all introduction to what's interesting about Freenet, past, present, and future, feel free to stop-by.
</Shameless Self-promotion>
It's the goatsex guy again. DAMMIT!! You bastards are getting better and better at hiding that in the URL when it gets the mouseover...
"The saddest words of mice and men, are not those which were, but should have been."
The site will not load with Mozilla, it is built entirely of Flash content. The only email address I could find, using IE (ugh!) was
sales@alexispark.com.
The contact page was simply a scan of a brouchure map cutout.
They might suddenly have the urge to call it Defcon XP...
Get you Defcon XPrience soon...
Welley Corporation - SLM Scammers
Its not the goatsex guy.
So was anyone kind enough to offer GOBBLES enough money to fly out and back?
Are they really from Baltimore? (/me is from just north of DC)
45P! Yes!
"Hackers gather for largest convention of the year."
"Mustang Ranch prepares for busiest weekend of the year."
forget it.
Did they really offer prizes for hacking Las Vegas wireless networks. Please tell this is a joke.
Before you get too worked up about this, you should realize that the organizers of DefCon have always used Roman numerals to refer to their conferences. For example, the last one I attended was marketed as "DefCon VIII" on most t-shirts and paraphernalia I saw.
If you were asking why do people use Roman numerals when perfectly good modern numbers exist? Well, I have to agree with you.
I just wanted to point out that the organizers of DefCon were using Roman numerals long before the recent explosion of the letter X.
peace.
SIGGRAPH has nothing to do with computer security. Are you a troll or just stupid?
I sure hope we don't get a play by play this year, it's annoying enough hearing about it in the first place.
Those of us who care that much would be there already.
So cut the shit.
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
Somewhere on Pecos near a liquor store and near a pancake house by the library
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer Extortion. The X makes it sound cool."
:)
-- Bender, "Futurama"
Tim
CTF is the sole reason to attend Defcon. If you are a security admin responsible for firewalls, VPNs, and most importantly IDS systems, plugging into the CTF network is a fantastic learning experience. Mostly cause its the most malicious traffic you are ever likely to see in one place. Don't bring your work laptop ;) I like to start up services on my *nix box, start snort, and see who knocks on my door.
Wow - finally, a post actually worthy of a "Troll" moderation.
So much for the server with the page for the DC Shoot...
This started out as being a way kool gathering but now it's like Burning Man. It's "DefCon - The Event"
Their website came up blank in Opera. So I can't even see what f#$king email address to send my complaint to.
Poor choice of hotel, if you ask me.
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OH PUH-LEEZ!
that's the biggest load of B.S. i ever heard.
Well, it seems to work just fine with lynx. Come back you your roots, ye graphical ones.
Is she there this time?
Waaait a second, DefCon overlaps ComiCon?
...or hundreds of comic book geeks will be too busy hacking their credit accounts at the local comic shop to get their books signed?
Hundreds of hackers will be too busy clamoring for autographed copies of Busty Bunny Crime Fighters #1 to even attend!
hmm.. either way, a true geek's nightmare!
^nA! Creatures in my Head
...going to call their next Open Source Acrobat reader "Dmitri"
(Which used to be a good, technical show but now is filled to the brim with unemployed dotcom kiddies)
Dot commies? What nonsense. It's more professional and academia oriented, that's 'coz most of the crowd there is professional graphics programmers.
And SIGGRAPH is supposed to be pretty cool these days, and now they've even started getting shows on DemoScene.
Check out the Demoscene Outreach Group which performed at this year's SIGGRAPH, cool stuff. If you hate SIGGRAPH so much, maybe you should try the GDC. In fact I'd say SIGGRAPH should become even more professional, they do not seem to be handling a lot of cool & new math stuff and techniques which a lot of European schools, like MPI for example, seem to be working on.
You're also a dumbass because you're still convinced that you can use a toy language to build an efficient and reliable P2P network.
Surprised by Unicide! (fuck this shit)
> E-Mail the Alexis Park letting them know their site isn't cross-browser compatible. Not everyone uses IE and NS ;)
I really do find this a bit rich.
First, their site isn't *horribly* cross-browser incompatible. Crumbs, I can Lynx it just fine.
Second, I really have to wonder where you get off asking people to do this for you. If it was such a great requirement that their site fit this criterion, surely enough people would already be complaining. This, to my mind, is like asking people to email the webmaster telling them their site isn't in Swahili, Nepali or even Spanish. "Not everyone speaks English".
"You can justify anything by putting it in quotes, adding a famous name and making it a sig" - Albert Einstein
Gawd, wish I had a top floor room with an 802.11b antenna on the balcony facing defcon central - think of the honeypots you could setup to trap these guys, esp during the wardriving contest. A little weak encryption for cover, lots of pseudo-confidential bait, watch the fun.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Is spot the RIAA--they have to start somewhere!
--hsm
I just thought I would let folks know there will be another computer security conference at the Alexis Park later this year, of a nature pretty different than Defcon. For those working in the industry, it would be well worth checking out.
The 18th Annual Computer Security Applications Conference will be held the week of December 9-13, 2002 at the Alexis Park. We're still in the process of finalizing the technical program, but I can tell you there will be two days of tutorials, followed by 2.5 days of technical programs. Tutorials will include Information System Security Basics, Understanding Biometric Technology, Denial Of Service Attacks-Background Diagnosis and Mitigation, XML Security, Cryptography and PKI Basics, Mobile and Wireless Security Issues, Risk Assessment, and Survivable Systems Analysis. Invited Speakers include Earl Boebert and Dan Geer.
(and you read it on Slashdot first!)
Look for Advance Program information to be going up on www.acsac.org around September 1. If you have questions before then, feel free to visit the site, and contact one of the members of the conference committee.
Daniel (Conference Chair, Tutorial Chair, ACSAC 18)
....A OpenVMS box, like there was a at DECON 9. Why, because its considered one of the most secure OS's in the world. If I had time, maybe I'd bring one of my Alphas/VAXen. Hrm.. maybe next year.
hey all, if anyone reading this goes, be sure to check out the minibosses - old college friends of mine who play video game rock!
...shall we say, posterior penetration image that is the first thing you see on the Web site.
Somebody has made their displeasure with this conference known in no uncertain terms!
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
They won't be able to read your mind.