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The Golden Age of Cup Manufacturing

jonerik writes "The Washington Post has this article today on the disappearance of traditional 'small' (8 oz.) cups of coffee in favor of a larger concept of 'small' (12 oz.). In the case of Starbucks, for example, a truly small 8 oz. cup of coffee is still available, but it's called a 'short' and isn't listed on the menu. Why not? 'We still have it,' says Starbucks spokeswoman Lara Wyss, 'but we don't advertise it because of the size of the menu board, the physical constraints.' Yeah, sure. Disposable cup manufacturers have taken notice of the popularity/compulsory nature of larger cup sizes. The Sweetheart Cup Co. started manufacturing a successful 24-ounce hot-beverage cup about two years ago, and Kathy Deignan, the company's national vice president of marketing and account sales says 'The eight- and 10-ounce cups are pretty much gone.' Sweetheart also manufactures 7-Eleven's 44-ounce Super Big Gulp cups, and Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks. Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?"

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  1. Quick reply by death00 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was going to reply, but I have to piss...BRB.

    1. Re:Quick reply by kesuki · · Score: 4, Informative

      Keep in mind your basic physics. Your bladder is more than a sack of waste fluid, it's a muscularly controlled valved sack for storing waste fluids. the 'need' to take a leak is based in part on how tired that muscle is of holding in the pee. so if you've got about 12 ounces of fluid in that sack the need to pee will arise at half the speed as if you had 24 ounces of fluid in there. To get an idea of how much harder it is, just take a bottle, put a baloon on the end of it and compare how difficult it is to hold in 12 ounces vs 24... it takes a greater amount of pressure, and the strain of holding pee in has everything to do with the muscular valve for your bladder, not the volumeteric displacement that it's capable of handling.
      As for where your body finds the room for it, that is also simple physics, when you drank the cola in the first place, you expanded your mass and volume, starting in the stomache and then moving on to the blood stream, and finally ending up in your bladder, and when you relieve it, your mass/volume is restored to where it was before, since the volume being talkeed about is under 2% you'd never notice such a miniscule change or variation unless you habitually measured your weight or diameter 10-20 times a day.
      Also keep in mind that the flow rate of urine is affected by the gravitational and muscular forces on the urine inside the body, so the only accurate mesurement is to measure the actual volume of urine, and ignoring the time elapsed, since that is such a highly volitatle variable.
      A slight disclaimer, I'm not an expert, but it's pretty clear that bladders follow basic physics the same as anything else.

  2. Supersize is in. by hex1848 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every fast food restaurant from Wendy's to McDonalds has been increasing the size of there portions based on demand. Fatty and sugary foods taste better so we are ticked into wanting more to eat. The same thing goes for soft drinks, drink an 80 oz coke everyday and see how long it takes before you are shooting up insulin twice a day.

  3. Poor Sweatheart Cup Co syadmin... by xtermz · · Score: 5, Funny

    ....Guy took a job at a simple little manufacturing company, hoping for a stress free position, and then out of nowhere... his web servers get slashdotted....

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  4. Supersize Asses by stealie72 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Meanwhile, the 8 ounce asscheek has been upgraded to the 24 ounce asscheek.

    There will be trickle down from larger pants to larger chairs to larger coffins.

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    1. Re:Supersize Asses by Christianfreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      How unpatriotic can you be? Sarcasm at these patriotic Americans! The 80 ounce drinks mean more pants, and more chairs and more coffins! That my friend means more jobs ... communist!

  5. Being a breast man, by vegetablespork · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm in favor of the steady increase in cup sizes. I suppose this trend can benefit the ladies, too, since guys also wear cups.

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  6. Re:2 observations by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 4, Informative

    5 pints is a lot less blood that I have in my body. you might want to see what other people can accomplish with a few simple search engine queries.

    hint: the human body has about 6 quarts of blood.

    for a quick refresh on pints and quarts hit that link.

    hint: there are 2 pints in a quart.

    so 5 pints is 2.5 quarts, which is less than half of the amount of blood in the human body.

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  7. Is this just America? by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Japan, at least, the largest drink size you can get at a fast food restraunt like McDonalds is smaller than the "courtesy cup" that they give people who order water in America. Several of my friends and myself got strange looks and comments from host families when buying 1 liter drink bottles for ourselves. I remember one guy was asked by his host family if he had a party of something when he threw away the empty bottle at home. In talking with a few of my foreign friends after I returned, I've been led to believe that America is the "Land of the Super-Sized Drinks."

    Can anyone from another country or who's traveled abroad comment on this trend? Is oversized drinks just an American thing?

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    1. Re:Is this just America? by Azog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well... I think it depends on the drink as much as the culture or country.

      For example, in my one experience in a Munich beergarden, I found that Coke came only in small glasses.

      Beer, on the other hand, could be ordered in a few sizes, including "large", "very large", and "2 litre, two-hands-required-to-lift the 20-pounds-of-glass-and beer" size.

      That was a good size.

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  8. Re:Dixie cups by ImaLamer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the famous paper cups in the dispenser that save dishes from piling up in the sink.

    Funny, I just re-use dishes to keep the sink from over-flowing.

  9. the human bladder and other useless facts by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 5, Informative

    Useless facts about the human body

    some juicy bits:

    The average Human bladder can hold 13 ounces of liquid

    You loose enough dead skin cells in your lifetime to fill eight five pound flour bags

    your skin weighs twice as much as your brain

    When you sneeze, all bodily functions stop--even you heart!

    have fun. remember kids, use knowledge responsibly.

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    1. Re:the human bladder and other useless facts by dattaway · · Score: 5, Funny

      When you sneeze, all bodily functions stop--even you heart!

      A sneeze is nothing more than a spontaneous brain abortion.

  10. My rant. by FreeLinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I feel that the massive cups are linked to another phenomenon that I have noticed. That is, the new need for people to always have a drink in hand.

    Up until recently, when people got thirsty, they went to the kitchen and got a drink. They finished their drink in the kitchen and went about their business. People also drank at the table while eating. But now, people seem to be incapable of going ANYWHERE without a drink constantly in hand.

    It doesn't seem to matter what the drink is or if they are even thirsty, just so long as they always have a drink. Regardless of whether it is a ridiculous 44oz Big Gulp or a 12oz bottle of water, they must have a drink in hand.

    It appears to me that people have developed some form of security blanket complex where they are out of sorts unless they have a drink in their hand. You notice this with the constant sipping. They are obviously not thirsty but every couple of minutes they are compelled to sip a half ounce or so. They seem addicted to the act of drinking, rather like smokers are to the act of smoking.

    What's up with that?

    1. Re:My rant. by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      whats funny is, when your sirring around with all your friends, wait until there not paying attention to you, then take a sip of your soda. everyone else will follow suit, not relize it. People with out a soda, will gt up and get one.
      I've been running that experiment for years. it just cracks me up.

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    2. Re:My rant. by guttentag · · Score: 5, Funny
      At washingtonpost.com, this was a conscious effort that served a purpose.

      At one typical "yay for us" session where the publisher/CEO was trying to drum up support for an initiative the editorial staff opposed, I was obliged to clap with the majority. It would have been inappropriate not to. I noticed that one of the editors was not clapping, and I asked him how he could get away with that.

      "I don't want to spill my coffee," he said, pointing out several other editorial staff members who were not clapping and holding coffee cups. "Next time, bring a cup."

      So the next time I grabbed an empty coffee cup on my way to the meeting and just stood there holding it when everyone clapped. It was a good lesson in civil disobedience. When I left the company over a year later, and my boss was giving a BS speech about how much I meant to the company, I brought a coffee cup.

  11. water intoxication by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 5, Informative
    You can drink too much water
    Q. I am a runner and would like to know whether it is possible to drink too much water?

    A. Yes, there is a condition known as "water intoxication." It is usually associated with long distance events like running and cycling. And it's not an unusual problem. For example, water intoxication was reported in 18% of marathon runners and in 29% of the finishers in a Hawaiian Ironman Triathlon in studies published recently in the Annals of Internal Medicine and in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise respectively.

    What happens is that as the athlete consumes large amounts of water over the course of the event, blood plasma (the liquid part of blood) increases. As this takes place, the salt content of the blood is diluted. At the same time, the athlete is losing salt by sweating. Consequently, the amount of salt available to the body tissues decreases over time to a point where the loss interferes with brain, heart, and muscle function.

    The official name for this condition is hyponatremia. The symptoms generally mirror those of dehydration (apathy, confusion, nausea, and fatigue), although some individuals show no symptoms at all. If untreated, hyponatremia can lead to coma and even death.
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  12. Re:Not just drinks... by kiwimate · · Score: 5, Funny

    Be assured it's just as silly here. I can't comment about Pizza Hut, but I know darn well that several fast food outlet pre-programmed droids get mighty confused when you ask for a small size of anything. "We have medium, large, extra large, and colossal -- what size would you like?"

    To which I reply, "I'd like small, but you're not going to play along, are you?".

    Blank stare, followed by "Medium, then, sir?"

    "If that's the smallest you have, then yes."

    Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to then ask me if I'd like to supersize that? Apparently, approximately as stupid as a significant proportion of American high-schoolers, who really make me want to say, "see, now, that's why you're wearing that silly hat".

    Anyway, I digress. And, apart from that, I'm getting off the subject.

    It's marketing, I'm sure, pure and simple. And the most depressing thing is it evidently works. Well it must, or they wouldn't keep doing it, now, would they? Yes, we really are stupid enough that we accept them calling the smallest size on the menu "medium", in blatant contradiction of all that is sensible and logical in the world, and buy drink sizes that ought to have a health warning from the surgeon general about over working your bladder and other sundry bits of internal plumbing.

  13. Re:Not just drinks... by gmhowell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I noticed this in early 90's when I went to college. No delivery where I grew up, so the only time you saw a pizza was at Pizza Hut. And a large was ginormous. 16".

    So I go away to school. They have delivery, I have no car (stupid rule if ever there was one. Talk about encouraging alcoholism) so order a pizza. Well, dumb me knows that a large is too much, so order a medium. And what arrives, but a small.

    Now Pizza Hut advertises "The Big New Yorker". A full 16" pizza.

    Yeah. Like the ones you used to sell, before decided that a 14" pizza was a large. BTW, thank you ever so much for not dropping the price when you dropped the sizes.

    No, you sir (madam, celestial body, whatever) are not alone in your observation. As a matter of fact, my parents have an official Pizza Hut large pizza pan from the early-mid 80's. One of my father's patients has a couple dozen. For whatever reason, he gave my father a pizza pan. Guess what? It was an old large. The new large pizzas don't fill the pan.

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  14. Re:Not just drinks... by blowhole · · Score: 5, Funny

    Never introduce abstract concepts to someone who needs pictures drawn on the register buttons.

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  15. Supersizing doesn't matter... by Pollux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Every fast food restaurant from Wendy's to McDonalds has been increasing the size of there portions based on demand.

    Working for a major pop company, I can tell you right now that premix pop is downright cheap (premix is the syrup that's mixed with water and CO2 to get the pop that comes from the fountain). Since the pop companies don't have to worry about mixing it, packaging it, and labeling it in the bottling plant, they don't have to charge much for it.

    Believe it or not, advertisements for "80oz. Fountain Drinks for $.99!!!" actually lure customers there. And they can do it because they don't lose money. So, when the fast food / convenience stores get cheap pop, they get more customers, they don't lose money, and the customer walks away happy.

    The stores don't care about sugar levels or diabetes, and most customers don't understand that what they think is a "great deal" isn't doing much good for them, while it works great for the company.

  16. Re:44 oz? Try the DoubleGulp! by unicron · · Score: 5, Funny

    You turn and say "Bitch, hold this" like any normal person. Sheesh.

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  17. Re:Not just drinks... by JavaTenor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Frighteningly apropos: "...These go to eleven."

    And I think Pizza Hut should change their sizes to large, extra-large, and GALACTUS, DEVOURER OF WORLDS.

  18. Won't fit in the cup holder by serutan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope they never do make that 80-oz cup. If I put one of those in my cup holder, the whole damn computer would tip over.

  19. Re:Not just drinks... by MiTEG · · Score: 4, Informative

    What I think is ridiculous is the fact that on the under the sizes listed at Starbucks, "large" is displayed as "Venti (TM)." Now, "venti" is the Italian word for the number 20, and that particular size happens to be 20 ounces. I don't understand how they be allowed to hold a trademark on a number like that.

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  20. A first hand report about hyponatremia by MKalus · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a subject that is pretty interresting to me since I started racing triathlons, I never really thought that things like Gatorade made sense until some people corrected me on this.

    The following is a first hand account of someone who experienced hyponatremia, pretty scary.

    ----------------

    Hi everyone,

    I'm writing this to "the big list", the PA Buzzards, Virginia Happy Trails
    Running Club, the Montgomery County Road Running Club (in Maryland) and a
    few others to say THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for the Get Well Wishes, Cards,
    Flowers, and overall concern and support. Wow! I have a lot of wonderful
    friends!

    I am writing to so many people for a few reasons - first, I have received
    many inquires about how I am doing after the Vermont 100 miler. Also, many
    people heard about what happened (which I'll explain below) but only got
    parts of the story. So you'll get the story here - as best I know it, from
    me, Michele Burr - the person who got a severe case of hyponatremia at
    VT100. The people who do know about my getting hyponatremia have urged me
    to post something so that people are aware of this very serious problem.
    I must admit, I don't remember much because I had a seizure and went into a
    coma but I have pieced together many things from people who saw me at the
    end of the race and from talking with my husband, who thank God, was there
    at the finish line and with me during my 5 day stay at two hospitals in
    Vermont and then New Hampshire.

    WHAT IS HYPONATREMIA? This is a condition in which there is a very low
    concentration of sodium in your blood. It is also seen in conjunction with
    WEIGHT GAIN (not weight loss) and most often occurs during endurance
    exercise lasting more than 5 to 7 hours. (From:
    http://www.halcyon.com/gasman/water.htm) More specifically, hyponatremia
    develops as sodium and free water are lost and replaced by fluids, such as
    plain tap water, half-normal saline, or dextrose in water. Basically, this
    condition occurs when a person takes in too much water and not enough salt.
    So you are probably wondering...was I taking Suceed! caps? Was I drinking
    electrolyte fluids? Yes to both of these questions but obviously I was not
    taking enough of either one of these things and yes, I was also eating
    potato chips, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, fig newtons, and potatoes
    -but again, it wasn't enough salt and I was taking in too much water. My
    weight was up 5 pounds at the last weigh-in. To give you an understanding of
    where my sodium level was compared to a normal person....most people have
    about 140-145 mEq/L - this is some sort of measure of the amount of salt in
    your blood. I had 113 mEq/L. This is extremely low. So, why is this a
    problem? Because you need sodium in your blood for your brain to function.

    WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS? The answer to this question is the scary part and why
    this is such a medical emergency when it occurs.
    ****Many of the symptoms are NEUROLOGICAL in origin.**** Level of alertness
    can range from agitation to a coma state. Variable degrees of cognitive
    impairment (eg, difficulty with short-term recall; loss of orientation to
    person, place, or time; frank confusion or depression). Other symptoms
    include seizure activity and irrational behavior. In patients with acute
    severe hyponatremia, signs of brainstem herniation, including coma; fixed,
    unilateral, dilated pupil; decorticate or decerebrate posturing; and
    respiratory arrest. Coma and seizures usually occur only with acute
    reduction of the serum sodium concentration to less than 120 mEq/L.
    (Remember my sodium level was at 113 mEq/L.)

    I didn't recognize where I was or who my friends were or who my husband was
    at the end of the race. I walked the last 5 to 10 miles which is very
    unusual for me and people said I didn't know who they were and it appeared
    as though I didn't even know I was in a race. Shortly after I crossed the
    finish line on Saturday night I started to vomit uncontrollably then I had a
    seizure then I went into a coma. I remained in a coma for 3 days. At some
    point before I woke up out of the coma I began the "irrational behavior"
    mentioned above. I pulled out all my IVs and ripped off my EKG patches and
    tried to kick and hit the nursing and neurosurgeon staff. I was very
    combative whenever someone tried to touch me and was eventually given
    antipsychotic medication.

    When I woke up I didn't know where I was, what
    had happened, what month, or year it was. Upon being forced to give a guess
    for the month I told the neurosurgeons, "I think it's Vermont" for the
    month. I couldn't read and I couldn't add numbers. On Tuesday after the
    race I started to feel much, much, better. I could read again and I had
    watched a car commercial to figure out what year it was. I also got a lot
    of the story about what happened from my husband. It was on this day (or
    maybe Monday?) I learned I had been in another hospital earlier. Why was I
    first in a small local hospital (Ascutney in Windsor, VT) and then
    transferred by ambulance to Dartmouth-Hitchcock? That has to do with the
    scariness about how to treat this medical emergency. It you don't do it
    right, it will lead to further and permanent brain damage.

    HOW IS HYPONATREMIA TREATED? From http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/heat.html: It
    says that the condition is frequently mis-diagnosed as dehydration and that
    the consumption of water makes matters worse because it dilutes the blood
    sodium concentration even further than it already is.
    From http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic275.htm :
    "The principal causes of morbidity and death are when chronic hyponatremia
    reaches levels of 110 mEq/L or less and cerebral pontine myelinolysis (an
    unusual demyelination syndrome that occurs when HYPONATREMIA IS CORRECTED
    TOO QUICKLY).

    Much has been written about treatment of hyponatremia and the potential
    adverse outcome of central pontine myelinolysis. This condition is
    demyelination of the pons, which can lead to mutism, dysphasia, spastic
    quadriparesis, pseudobulbar palsy, delirium, coma, and even death.
    Raising the serum sodium concentration more than 25 mEq/L or to a normal or
    above-normal level in the first 48 hours increases the likelihood of central
    pontine myelinolysis.

    The main controversy in the literature surrounds treatment of chronic
    symptomatic hyponatremia because, as mentioned, central pontine myelinolysis
    may result if the condition is corrected too rapidly. Therefore, although
    treatment in these patients is similar to that just described, the rate of
    correction should be slower (0.5 to 1 mEq/L per hour). Aggressive therapy
    should be discontinued when the serum sodium concentration is raised 10% or
    symptoms abate."

    Upon being admitted at the first hospital in Vermont my soium level was 113
    mEq/L but then quickly went to 116 and the next reading was at 126. The
    hospital felt uncomfortable and kept telling my husband it was possible I'd
    get "PONDS" - which is central pontine myelinolysis (permanent brain
    damage). They also told him to think about long term care for me and that
    "things could turn out a number of ways". They also asked him if I remained
    in a vegetative state, would I want my organs donated and did I have a
    living will prepared. At this point, an ambulance took me to New Hampshire
    to Dartmouth-Hitchcock. Needless to say, I think I aged my husband about 10
    years during these 5 days.

    WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM EFFECTS? Well, so far I feel I am about 95% back to
    where I was neurologically before the race. (Physically, I lost 10 pounds.)
    I couldn't remember my password when I got to my office so I couldn't log
    into my computer and I forgot a combination lock number I often used. I
    also forgot a few people's names. I had a little bit of trouble typing and
    signing my name but that seems to be gone now. The last clear things I
    remember from the race are at the mile 18 aid station. I am also a bit
    spacey (it's a bit difficult for me to concentrate) but I can drive. I am a
    research scientist so it's important that I be able to generate and
    interpret statistics. I haven't tried that yet but I'm optimistic. Here are
    a few more links (in case you just can't get enough about hyponatremia):
    http://www.spinalhealth.net/hypona tremia.html
    http://www.fred.net/ultrunr/hyponatre mia.html#Paul

    Finally, the way to avoid this in the future (for me) is to drink less water
    and eat more salt. I will also push for a blood test from my doctor before
    I run another 100 (this was my 5th one) to make sure I am not starting out
    at a deficit - which is what the doctors were suggesting at
    Dartmouth-Hitchcock Hospital. They said that my low sodium diet, combined
    with a high volume of running (sometimes as much as 100 miles/week) and
    sweating in the heat and humidity here in the Washington DC area were the
    problem combined with the low volume of electrolyte fluids (relative to the
    amount of water I was taking in).

    This was scary. I hope some people will be educated by reading this and for
    the many people who emailed and asked me what happened, I hope this answered
    their questions.

    Thank you so very much again everyone for your concern. My friends,
    co-workers, relatives, and the ultrarunning community have been great!
    Michele Burr

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