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The Golden Age of Cup Manufacturing
jonerik writes "The Washington Post has this article today on the disappearance of traditional 'small' (8 oz.) cups of coffee in favor of a larger concept of 'small' (12 oz.). In the case of Starbucks, for example, a truly small 8 oz. cup of coffee is still available, but it's called a 'short' and isn't listed on the menu. Why not? 'We still have it,' says Starbucks spokeswoman Lara Wyss, 'but we don't advertise it because of the size of the menu board, the physical constraints.' Yeah, sure. Disposable cup manufacturers have taken notice of the popularity/compulsory nature of larger cup sizes. The Sweetheart Cup Co. started manufacturing a successful 24-ounce hot-beverage cup about two years ago, and Kathy Deignan, the company's national vice president of marketing and account sales says 'The eight- and 10-ounce cups are pretty much gone.' Sweetheart also manufactures 7-Eleven's 44-ounce Super Big Gulp cups, and Deignan says the company is considering producing an 80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks. Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?"
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Has anyone else noticed that there is no longer a 'small' pizza at pizzahut? They start at medium... but the size has become smaller, and now they have extralarge... which is as large as their old 'large' size...
Well, at least here in Canada... Don't know about the US franchise...
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80-ounce cold drink cup - that's 5 pints, folks
1. Can the human bladder even hold that much?
2. Christ, there's not that much blood in the human body! Even on a full bladder, is there even 80 ounces of fluid flowing through one's body?
Even the size of Dixie cups are getting bigger at 9oz. These are the famous paper cups in the dispenser that save dishes from piling up in the sink.
What are we suposed to talk about guys?
Um yeah, cups a getting bigger. Wow.
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1, Make big cups
2, ???
3, Profit!!
Every fast food restaurant from Wendy's to McDonalds has been increasing the size of there portions based on demand. Fatty and sugary foods taste better so we are ticked into wanting more to eat. The same thing goes for soft drinks, drink an 80 oz coke everyday and see how long it takes before you are shooting up insulin twice a day.
Having larger coffee cup sizes is better than a trend of smaller sizes. As long as the price per volume remains about the same (accounting for inflation), there's nothing to complain about. Besides, this sort of thing is determined largely by economics - the smaller cups must not have been selling as well.
Of course, one could argue that the coffee shops are forcing people to buy more coffee than they want, but I think there is enough competition so that if people really wanted a small cup, they'd get it (even from Starbucks, which just doesn't advertise it).
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It's about time companies catered to the programming crowd and provided cups that adequately provide for our caffeinated needs. Whoever is complaining about this obviously has never had an all-night programming session with a deadline the next day, bladder be damned.
So why not sell the 44oz for twice the cost of a 10oz? It is just more money in the pocket of the store.
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Meanwhile, the 8 ounce asscheek has been upgraded to the 24 ounce asscheek.
There will be trickle down from larger pants to larger chairs to larger coffins.
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I'm in favor of the steady increase in cup sizes. I suppose this trend can benefit the ladies, too, since guys also wear cups.
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Take for example, 7-11. I'm sure the bulk soda that 7-11 receives is cheap enough that they can sell as much for as cheap as they like. The idea is to move the product as quickly as possible. Is anybody really going to drink 5 pints of soda, probably not. Definitely not without having some kind of heart attack. However, they might drink three pints. Which makes 2 extra pints that 7-11 sold that it otherwise wouldn't have, because they sold it cheap. Same with coffee, french fries, whatever. The more you sell, the more you cash in.
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I know many of you would like to have 12, 16 or 22 oz bottles of beer but a nice 8 oz cup of draft is always good.
You drink it fast and it goes down like it's nothing. Smaller cups also mean that you are getting a re-fill more often and keeping your beer cold and fresh.
Now every now and then a good ol' 64 oz jug is nice but a handful of 8 oz'rs at a summer festival beats all the rest.
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In Japan, at least, the largest drink size you can get at a fast food restraunt like McDonalds is smaller than the "courtesy cup" that they give people who order water in America. Several of my friends and myself got strange looks and comments from host families when buying 1 liter drink bottles for ourselves. I remember one guy was asked by his host family if he had a party of something when he threw away the empty bottle at home. In talking with a few of my foreign friends after I returned, I've been led to believe that America is the "Land of the Super-Sized Drinks."
Can anyone from another country or who's traveled abroad comment on this trend? Is oversized drinks just an American thing?
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The best thing about it is that it even comes in a paper carton-like "cup" that very closely resembles a half gallon carton of milk, but with a hole in the top for a straw.
'Course, the second coolest thing is the fact that you get anywhere from 700 to 900 calories from one, depending on what soda you put in it (assuming that, like most teenageers, you are not a big fan of diet sodas). Mmmmm half my daily calories in carbonated liquid form....
*sigh*. Americans can be so stupid sometimes. And I am a born-and-raised American.
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Their's a Real-Life Comics comic out there that's pretty funny, wish I could find it. One of the guys goes "I need a big gulp" and his friend replies "No, you need a DAMN, it's 900oz of your favorite beverage, and the cut even fits in your cars drink holder" and it shows massive, 55 gallon drum sized drink with this little nipple in the bottom that goes in your cup holder. It was pretty damn funny, I'll try and find it.
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My brother is what I'd call a caffeine addict. He's also a cheap SOB like myself, so when it comes to soda, he did some research to find the best price-to-volume ratio. His findings? Buy a 64oz Double Gulp from 7-11 once, save the cup and refill it for 85 cents a pop. Only problem is he's forgets the cup quite often, so empty Double Gulps litter his desk.
More relevant to the article, 7-11 charges the same price to refill any fountain soda, so there's no cost benefit for showing restraint.
I feel that the massive cups are linked to another phenomenon that I have noticed. That is, the new need for people to always have a drink in hand.
Up until recently, when people got thirsty, they went to the kitchen and got a drink. They finished their drink in the kitchen and went about their business. People also drank at the table while eating. But now, people seem to be incapable of going ANYWHERE without a drink constantly in hand.
It doesn't seem to matter what the drink is or if they are even thirsty, just so long as they always have a drink. Regardless of whether it is a ridiculous 44oz Big Gulp or a 12oz bottle of water, they must have a drink in hand.
It appears to me that people have developed some form of security blanket complex where they are out of sorts unless they have a drink in their hand. You notice this with the constant sipping. They are obviously not thirsty but every couple of minutes they are compelled to sip a half ounce or so. They seem addicted to the act of drinking, rather like smokers are to the act of smoking.
What's up with that?
Keep in mind that (a not sugar free) original size big gulp coke has over 40 teaspoons of sugar...
Now imagine one over two and half times the size... over 100 teaspoons of sugar.
Then wonder why so many Americans are obese... "but the bigger size is a better deal!"
Stupid sexy Flanders.
Why bother with drinking? Just inject that caffine directly into my veins!
I remeber when a 16 oz slurpee was the largest you could get from 7-11.
then somewbody said "Hey, we can make a 24 oz drink, it costs us about 3 cents more, but we can charge an extra 50 cents!"
then everbody was doing it.
then it was super size drinks that you can refill all you want!
now I get angry if a resturant wants to charge me to refill my soda.
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And rehashed an old Dennis Miller routine. It didn't start with coffee cups. First I remembered was resizing of McDonald's cold cups in the mid to late 80's. That was fine then, but now, when I want a small, it means I really want what is called the 'child size'. Ironically, when you get a happy meal, you don't get a 'child size', you get something even smaller.
The reason they don't put it on the menu board? It costs ten cents more for the 'small', but only has about 1 cent more cost involved. They 'lose money' (in the same way that pirates cause MPAA and RIAA companies to 'lose' money) by selling this size. That's why they push the barrel basket of popcorn at the movie theatre for 'only 25 cents more': because it only costs them 5 cents more, so they make an additional 20 cents.
"Do you want to supersize that?"
"No, moron. If I wanted to supersize it, I would have said 'Number 3, supersize', not 'Number 3, medium'" But I usually don't, as it is the owner/manager who will fire the drone if they forget to pimp supersize fries.
(BTW, call me in to testify against that fat bastard suing the fast food companies. Listen lard-ass, just order a medium! I'm fat, so fuck you, I'll call you lard ass if I want. I'm fat because *I* shovelled garbage down my gullet, not Mayor McCheese.)
Oh, and to those who say "the market will prevail": bullshit. McDonald's used to have an "All-American meal". Cheesburger (not 1/4 lb), fries (modern medium, traditional large), and a coke (modern medium, traditional large). It's exactly what I wanted. Doesn't exist anymore. Yes, the items are available separately, but have you ever ordered separate items at McDonald's? What a joke. Definately a roll of the dice as to whether those people get anything right. (I do this frequently. I'll get a medium two cheeseburger meal with an extra drink, sometimes extra fries for my wife and I to split. Then throw in a hamburger for junior.)
Blah. Gimme a gun, a knife, and an open fire. I'll get your supersized meal as soon as a buffalo comes walking by.
(Not even 30, and I'm becoming a 'bitter old man', ranting about 'the good old days')
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The manufacturers wouldn't make them if people didn't want them.
Do you really know what you want? Ever heard the phrase "something I didn't know existed, but now can't live without?"
What about the old adage about the two shoe salesmen that go to Etheopia. The first calls back to the home office and says, "no one wears shoes here, there's no market," and packs up to go home. The second calls the home office and says, "no one wears shoes here, we can dominate the market, send all available supply."
The marketers make people want their products (yes, this includes you). Next time you're thinking of buying something on impulse, ask yourself why, and dig deep to find and answer. You may be surprised....
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Drinking too much water can cause hyponatremia (too little sodium in your blood), which can make all your cells in your body swell up, including your brain cells, which would then cause brain damage. This is a fact.
I used to buy the 64 oz soda when i worked on a non union cable plow clean up crew in college (go scabs!). A two hour drive followed by 13 in the hot sun -- you get damn thirsty. Now, I didn't really drink 64 oz of soda...with no bathrooms around, that's a bit crazy. But for 64 cents, i could fill it up 3/4 of the way with ice and get about 32 oz of soda that would be at least marginally cold until well past lunch time.
Yeah, if there was an 80 oz, i would have drank it. Beats filling up that damn coolers.
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a great deal of the water is absorbed into the bloodstream in the stomach. Some water is added back in the large intestine.
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It does mean that soda is not ideal for replenishing fluids, since you'll lose some portion of what you consume, but you won't get dehydrated just by drinking too much coke.
This will also make "eating out" a special thing to look forward to, rather than something routine. Also, you can include other stuff like exercise and lighter eating on days when you eat out.
When you go to a grocery store, don't buy anything that you don't have to further process before eating. This will quickly eliminate junk food, the major cause of obesity in my opinion.
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1) Its part of a new add campaign to turn our pee the same color as the soda, but in order to pull it off, we have to drink A LOT.
2) There are lots of diet programs...and soda keeps on selling...coincidence? The diet programs brainwash us into buying more soda so that we need to diet more! And this is just another step!
3) The new soda containers are actually developed for military use. They plan to drop them on enemy forces to cause a mild explosion, covering the enemy with a sticky substance, and leaving them exposed to attack while they take showers.
4) All part of training to make Americans bigger. Bigger food=bigger people, right? We'll be able to take over the world once all Americans are 11 feet tall, and everyone else averages 5'11".
5) The soda gods have decreed it. The will of the soda gods must be obeyed.
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this is a very geek unfriendly story. i myself need the drug-like crutch of a gallon of sugary soda to keep my mental juices flowing while i program every day, all day. i have a feeling i am not alone.
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sure, the sugar spike of modern soft drinks is completely unnatural for a human body evolved to deal with the slow rise and fall of digesting complex carbohydrates, but so what? and no, i won't become a diabetic because i run every day too. calories in, calories out. and yes, as i admitted, it's a drug-like crutch, but in the larger scheme of things, i can forgive myself my dependence upon sugar to get me through the day. surely there are greater addictions and crimes out there we can all worry about, no? (yes, i am aware the micromanaging moralizers amongst us have something to say here, but we don't care, k?)
programming may not be as calorie-intensive a process as say, the iron man competition, but the brain still eats calories. and is there a single programmer out there who doesn't appreciate the idea of getting into a mental zone and getting their most productive efforts out of that zone? do most of us prop up that zone with comfort-producing stimuli? music, furniture, toys, lighting, etc... but sweets and stimulants top the list. just go visit thinkgeek if you don't believe me and see what kind of stuff they hawk over there. if you've ever drank coca cola while at the keyboard, you have to admit the bonus it produces. what greater comfort-producing aid can there be than something that gives the brain what it naturally craves?
keep the brain sutffed with oxygen and glucose and it will reward you with good code! don't let the guilt-mongers get at you, fellow programmers, enjoy your code red big gulp, and have one every day. (just make sure you exercise too... don't become another stupid fat american.
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In genral drink sizes in India are a lot smaller than in the US. Most sodas used to be 250ml until they recently started having "super sized" ones at about 330ml. The "large" they serve you with a meal at McDonalds in India is almost as big as the "small" in the US and no free refills of course.
However, in general the sodas in India tend to be much stronger flavored and have much more carbonation - I would usually have a hard time finishing the smaller sizes that they had - and you would never think about putting maybe more than a cube or two of ice in your drinks - wouldn't want to dilute it!
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Every fast food restaurant from Wendy's to McDonalds has been increasing the size of there portions based on demand.
Working for a major pop company, I can tell you right now that premix pop is downright cheap (premix is the syrup that's mixed with water and CO2 to get the pop that comes from the fountain). Since the pop companies don't have to worry about mixing it, packaging it, and labeling it in the bottling plant, they don't have to charge much for it.
Believe it or not, advertisements for "80oz. Fountain Drinks for $.99!!!" actually lure customers there. And they can do it because they don't lose money. So, when the fast food / convenience stores get cheap pop, they get more customers, they don't lose money, and the customer walks away happy.
The stores don't care about sugar levels or diabetes, and most customers don't understand that what they think is a "great deal" isn't doing much good for them, while it works great for the company.
I blew my Ultra Mega Big Gulp on that one.
You turn and say "Bitch, hold this" like any normal person. Sheesh.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
It brings to mind the July 8th cartoon from PvP Online.
Even funnier, though, is what I found when I hit google with "uber gulp".
Eeeek.
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The volume in ounces of a "large" disposable beverage cup will double every 10 years. ;)
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In Leisure Suit Larry 2, there was a "grotesque gulp" sized drink. About the size of a garbage can, you died if you tried to drink it in the store. You had to keep it(you simply stuck it in your pocket, with the excuse that it's just a game), and made little sips on your long boat ride to the island.
I recently stopped drinking pop all together. Now I only drink water, milk (one glass per day), and juice (2 glasses per day roughly). In the 6 weeks since I started this I haven't really changed anything else about my excerise and eatting habits. I have already dropped 8lbs. I used to drink close to 5 12-16oz pops per day. At the low end that is 60oz (smaller than the 80oz drink they are talking about). So I think you see the weight concerns here. This is truely making America fatter... :(
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Who's making your coffee? I'm not keen on sweat and creamy, I like the bitter edge that coffee has, but when made correctly, isn't rancid at all.
I definately agree, don't drink rancid coffee.
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40oz?? Pul-leeze... what a bunch of wussies.
I've got an old German bier stein that holds (measured) 65+ oz's. Now THAT is a lot of fun. You NEVER misplace it, and when full, you need to tuck the bottom into the crook of your other arm to properly support it.
The painting has lots of color and obviously was not rushed. It's probably not an antique though... 65oz is very close to 2 litres, which implies post-WWII (when did Germany move over to metric system anyways??)
With the growth of high level languages like Perl, Python, and TCL you'd think that coffee cups could be getting smaller, not larger. This is the strongest evidence against Moore's Law I've seen in a while.
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Well duh, since they make more money by selling more food, it's all part of the food industry's nefarious plot to make us all fat!
Look at McDonalds -- they now offer a Mighty Kids meal, which is a happy meal with, you guessed it, more food and cooler toys! So now kids will feel grown up b/c they eat a "mighty" meal, instead of the younger-ish "happy" meal, thus getting wider in the gut.
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The larger the cups, the less trips to the 7-11 you need to make.
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Back when I was a youngin' (3 years ago) and could handle staying up for days at a time at a lan party, I once drank over 11 litres of slurpee in just over 24 hours. If the caffine doesn't keep you awake, the bathroom trips sure as hell will.
I guess thats how I earned my title of "Slurpee King".
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Your bladder probably can't hold that much. But that doesn't mean you can't drink that much, as other posters have pointed out. There is DEFINITELY that much water in your body, and I will personally attest to drinking four 1-liter bottles of water after a 14-mile run in 95 degree heat last weekend.
My brother is a Double Gulp addict, so I should know this. At least here in California, the Double Gulps are regular plastic cups with separate lids like all the others. I do remember a time when they were paper cartons like you describe, but I haven't seen them in years.
As someone else mentioned, they don't fit in normal cup holders. My brother's got an automatic so he manages to drive with one hand on the wheel and one hand resting the cup on his knee. He even managed to drive while holding two Double Gulps once. (One was for me. I had a three hour class and the instructor let us bring in a drink. The drink lasted quite a while and during the break halfway through the class I made a bee-line for the bathroom.)
Caffeine is a diruetic, yes, but with limited efficacy. You get diminishing returns on kidney "acceleration" (for want of a better word) as more caffeine is consumed.
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Basically, if you're supposed to have 8 units of water in a day, 12 units of coffee (or cola) will perform the same purpose - only 4 units are "lost" to the diuretic effect. And no, that's not scientific, it's recollection.
Disposable cup manufacturers have taken notice of the popularity/compulsory nature of larger cup sizes
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I prefer something along a 36 D, myself.
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Last time I checked, an ounce was 1/16th of a pound, which was 1/14th of a stone, and there were 2.2 kilos to a stone.
Easy.
So how can you measure volume in units of mass?
volume
1 pint = 568ml
4.5 litres to a gallon
8 pints to a gallon
my car does 55miles per gallon
I dont buy 300 grammes of beer or whatever, I buy a pint (UK), or, slightly smaller, 500ml (europe). I buy a pound of bannanas, or 450 grames, not 4 cubic feet.
p.s. If your bladder cant handle 5 pints you're usless.
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I always thought it would be cool if drink and food vendors would personalized your drink cup with personal information that is printed on the cup or sleave on demand.
It would work like this. You register and create an account with say Starbucks. You log in to a website and enter your CC to use to pay for your drinks. You can also upload pictures of love ones or select from default designs, you can enter the stock symbols you are interested and the news categories you follow.
Then when you are on the go you buy yourself that tall Americano, flash them your card or some id. When you drink comes out there is your cup is personalized with a picture of your main squeeze, your current stock quotes and bulletized news updates. Heck when on the road i would stop and grap a cup just to get a picture of my family and check on my stocks.
Also more efficient for the vendor as they do not have to give change or process a cc for buck and half.
Let this stand as prior art if some company tries to "patent" this some day.
No, Minnesota. You must be from Wisconsin, where they drink soda when they're not drinking beer from "barrels".
Here in Minnesota, we drink our beer from kegs when not drinking pop.
despite using the metric system for quite a while now, brits still drink PINTS of beer/ale/piss (whatever it is they call it)
Only milk and draught beer. Soft drinks are sold in 0.5,1, 1.5, 2, 3 litre bottles or 0.33, 0.44 litre cans. Most commonly 2 litre plastic bottles and 0.33 litre cans. Beer is sold in 0.44 or 0.5 litre cans, 0.25 glass bottles or larger plastic bottles. Most common is 2 litre plastic bottles and 0.44 litre cans.
yeah, and so is Prague, Czech. But that doesn't excuse the fact that bottled water is more expensive than gasoline! It boggles the mind when you think about it.
- No real sizes, no "small medium large" like every else on the planet. Ask them for a large, and they look like a deer in headlights for a second, then say "Oh, a venti". Stupid.
Hmmm, venti means 20 in italian:At least KFC and movie theatres can save some money since their chicken and popcorn buckets can now double as cups for soda.
Remember, at most fast food places here in the US, somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 of any soda you order will be ice. Sometimes even more than half of it.
If your coffee is bitter and rancid you are drinking poorly prepared coffee made from old, poor quality grounds.
As a service to humanity, here is how to make coffee the correct way:
- Bring cool, pure water to a boil, 6oz per serving.
- Measure out fresh, whole coffee beans from your airtight container: 2 tablespoons per serving. Grind them for 5 seconds in an electric grinder and dump the grounds in your press pot.
- Remove the water from the heat and let cool until just below boiling, about 15 seconds. Pour the water onto the grounds in the press pot.
- Let the coffee brew for 3-5 minutes. Press the strainer down and pour yourself a cup of good coffee.
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Since when was 8oz of coffee anough anyway? I remember when the fast food guys upped the size of a large drink from like 18oz to 32oz, and the regular from what, 8oz to 18oz? 8oz??? What a joke. Same with coffee. 8oz is like a teaser. It's a damn sample. It should be free to hook customers into buying a real cup of coffee. Why does it take these people so freakin long to figure out that what they call a regular or whatever should be the kid size? They should start calling it a puny. 8oz... I mean come on people!
Those of us who have to shoot up insulin twice a day already due to broken genes (thanks mom and dad for the useless pancreas) have nothing to lose! My fridge is stocked with nothing but colas -- both diet and regular -- and water for the morning coffee. I don't remember the last time I drank juice. Milk? Don't waste my time; come back when it's carbonated and can give me brain damage.
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I hope they never do make that 80-oz cup. If I put one of those in my cup holder, the whole damn computer would tip over.
Me: "I'd like a medium coke"
Droid: "We only have small, large and extra large"
I don't eat at fast food places often I've had this conversation way too often at pizza and fast food joints. It's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. If I say I want a medium, that means I want the middle sized whatever it is. (Never mind the incredible lack of logic in having three sizes and not calling the middle sized one medium...) But no, these morons can't deal with that.
And yes if I saw "Large" on my receipt without any explanation after ordering a medium I'd yell at them. And they would deserve it for having such a stupid setup. I don't care about their marketing problems. Not my concern. If you are going to have a stupid sales setup, expect the fallout.
In bulk quantities, water is pennies a gallon. If gas were sold in 8 ounce bottles it would cost more than water.
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Drinking water is (almost*) always good for the body. When it's hot and I am outside I can drink 2 gallons or more in a day. Not much point to 8 oz. cups then.
Of course soda, coffee, or booze is a different matter...
(* You can actually die from drinking too much water. I wouldn't worry about it though...)
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This subject relates nice to the Atkins diet craze. Not to reopen old wounds, but despite the absurd implication that obesity paralleled the rise in "healthy" eating (avoiding fat), doesn't it seem obvious -- and shouldn't both Atkins fans and those who's diets are based on actual research happily agree -- that increasing the average dose of coke from 10oz bottles to 32oz big gulps (an increase of more than 200 calories) would be expected to cause a dramatic rise in the rate obesity?
Gosh, per capita consumption of soda has doubled since 1974. Not at all surprisingly the obesity rate in the US has risen more or less in synchrony.
4) All part of training to make Americans bigger. Bigger food=bigger people, right? We'll be able to take over the world once all Americans are 11 feet tall, and everyone else averages 5'11".
More like 11 feet wide and unable to squeeze through the front door more likely...
At every sudden jump in weight since 1945, the fast food industry introduced some kind of deal, like Burger Kings "Go Large" or McDs Super-sizing of menus. Our american teacher said that when the large fast food chains increased their menus, other food manufaturers did the same thing. The cost is marginal and the consumer is happy.
He also told us that the largest available McD menu here in Norway, is about the size of a small/medium adult menu in USA.
As for your instruction '1', why do you need cool water if you're bringing it to the boil anyway?
I believe it impacts the flavor whether I'm brewing coffee or tea.
Hot water that is boiled tends to produce "flat" tasting brew, IMO. Cold water that is boiled produces a "sharper" taste, I think.
It may just be psychosomatic. But I have read in the book Uncommon Grounds and heard on Good Eats that the cold water is more oxygenated and that is what keeps the taste from being "flat".
The excess oxygen comes from the act of pouring the water, it's like whipping cream or butter. Cold water is able to hold that excess oxygen better than hot water. But if you let the cool water sit for too long after pouring it from the tap it will loose this excess oxygen.
I have done a blind taste test with my friend's help and was able to pick out the coffee (a Sumatran arabica) made with cold water. The same for tea (a Chinese green). I'm not going to go into our methods, but if you want to know I'll tell you.
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
I stayed at a Omni in Dallas for a business trip. a 10 oz (yeah you heard right....a 10 oz!) Coke cost $2.75 + 17 %. Over 3 bucks for 10 oz's of pop! I found a grocery store and got a 12 pack. For a 50 cent bag of cookies it was also 3 bucks. Needless to say, I left the mini bar key at the front desk.
Gorkman
Not only is that half my weight, but who in the world has a cupholder in their car to hold that?
Seriously, I just want a stardard size coffee cup that will fit perfectly in a "standard car cup colder". A standard cupholder may be another issue.
I drink coffee on the way to work. I pass three places that sell good coffee (ok at least.) All three have different dimension cups. My Acura only fits 20oz cup very well.
-Pete
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How long after they introduce that before some fool (or their kid) drowns in their Big Gulp, and the multi-jillion dollar lawsuit ensues?
~Philly
Who's making your coffee? I'm not keen on sweat
Who's drinking sweat? Or maybe you are talking about Gatorade.
Off to the gym.
Hey Guys! Oooh Big gulps, eh? Allright!... Welp, see ya later!
Berto
One day we're in this god forsaken town, I'm sorry I dont recall the name. Anyways, in this town there are lots of hills, cactus, lizards, probably some bleached cattle bones somewhere, a college and a gas station with attached minimart. The place was a complete wasteland. If you've ever been to a jazz compo, basically you wait for 5 hours, play a 20 minute set, wait 5 hours for the results, go home. Sometimes it can vary though, maybe you wait 2 hours, play 20 minutes, and then wait 8 hours for the results :) you get the idea ...
Of course this compo is in the california heat and it's 110 degrees out. We'd been sitting in the sun for 4 or 5 hours, and well, I have an allergy to a chemical in most but not all sodas, and everything at this freaking college I was alergic to. So I grab my friend and we get in the car and goto the gas station where they have, no lie, 128 ounce sodas. We were floored! The thing was as thick as a coffee can and made of pvc plastic, we could have used it for a terarium afterwords and it cost something like 2.99 (in 1995 no less). We *had* to have them so we filled up (thank jebus for dr pepper which Im not alergic to).
Theres not much more to the story besides the unavoidable consequences of two 17 year olds doped up on caffine and sugar. We ran around wild in the college for a few hours seeing what doors had been unlocked, leaving strange notes on the dry-erase boards in any classroom we could open. After our blood sugar crashed there was hell to pay of course, headaches, empty :) At the time we figured the 128oz drink was a test product of some kind, but for obvious reasons Ive never seen another one in my life --and thus ends the story of the elusive and much sought after 128 ounce coke.
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Not only is that half my weight, but who in the world has a cupholder in their car to hold that?
Here's your answer!
~Philly
This is a subject that is pretty interresting to me since I started racing triathlons, I never really thought that things like Gatorade made sense until some people corrected me on this.
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The following is a first hand account of someone who experienced hyponatremia, pretty scary.
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Hi everyone,
I'm writing this to "the big list", the PA Buzzards, Virginia Happy Trails
Running Club, the Montgomery County Road Running Club (in Maryland) and a
few others to say THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH for the Get Well Wishes, Cards,
Flowers, and overall concern and support. Wow! I have a lot of wonderful
friends!
I am writing to so many people for a few reasons - first, I have received
many inquires about how I am doing after the Vermont 100 miler. Also, many
people heard about what happened (which I'll explain below) but only got
parts of the story. So you'll get the story here - as best I know it, from
me, Michele Burr - the person who got a severe case of hyponatremia at
VT100. The people who do know about my getting hyponatremia have urged me
to post something so that people are aware of this very serious problem.
I must admit, I don't remember much because I had a seizure and went into a
coma but I have pieced together many things from people who saw me at the
end of the race and from talking with my husband, who thank God, was there
at the finish line and with me during my 5 day stay at two hospitals in
Vermont and then New Hampshire.
WHAT IS HYPONATREMIA? This is a condition in which there is a very low
concentration of sodium in your blood. It is also seen in conjunction with
WEIGHT GAIN (not weight loss) and most often occurs during endurance
exercise lasting more than 5 to 7 hours. (From:
http://www.halcyon.com/gasman/water.htm) More specifically, hyponatremia
develops as sodium and free water are lost and replaced by fluids, such as
plain tap water, half-normal saline, or dextrose in water. Basically, this
condition occurs when a person takes in too much water and not enough salt.
So you are probably wondering...was I taking Suceed! caps? Was I drinking
electrolyte fluids? Yes to both of these questions but obviously I was not
taking enough of either one of these things and yes, I was also eating
potato chips, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, fig newtons, and potatoes
-but again, it wasn't enough salt and I was taking in too much water. My
weight was up 5 pounds at the last weigh-in. To give you an understanding of
where my sodium level was compared to a normal person....most people have
about 140-145 mEq/L - this is some sort of measure of the amount of salt in
your blood. I had 113 mEq/L. This is extremely low. So, why is this a
problem? Because you need sodium in your blood for your brain to function.
WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS? The answer to this question is the scary part and why
this is such a medical emergency when it occurs.
****Many of the symptoms are NEUROLOGICAL in origin.**** Level of alertness
can range from agitation to a coma state. Variable degrees of cognitive
impairment (eg, difficulty with short-term recall; loss of orientation to
person, place, or time; frank confusion or depression). Other symptoms
include seizure activity and irrational behavior. In patients with acute
severe hyponatremia, signs of brainstem herniation, including coma; fixed,
unilateral, dilated pupil; decorticate or decerebrate posturing; and
respiratory arrest. Coma and seizures usually occur only with acute
reduction of the serum sodium concentration to less than 120 mEq/L.
(Remember my sodium level was at 113 mEq/L.)
I didn't recognize where I was or who my friends were or who my husband was
at the end of the race. I walked the last 5 to 10 miles which is very
unusual for me and people said I didn't know who they were and it appeared
as though I didn't even know I was in a race. Shortly after I crossed the
finish line on Saturday night I started to vomit uncontrollably then I had a
seizure then I went into a coma. I remained in a coma for 3 days. At some
point before I woke up out of the coma I began the "irrational behavior"
mentioned above. I pulled out all my IVs and ripped off my EKG patches and
tried to kick and hit the nursing and neurosurgeon staff. I was very
combative whenever someone tried to touch me and was eventually given
antipsychotic medication.
When I woke up I didn't know where I was, what
had happened, what month, or year it was. Upon being forced to give a guess
for the month I told the neurosurgeons, "I think it's Vermont" for the
month. I couldn't read and I couldn't add numbers. On Tuesday after the
race I started to feel much, much, better. I could read again and I had
watched a car commercial to figure out what year it was. I also got a lot
of the story about what happened from my husband. It was on this day (or
maybe Monday?) I learned I had been in another hospital earlier. Why was I
first in a small local hospital (Ascutney in Windsor, VT) and then
transferred by ambulance to Dartmouth-Hitchcock? That has to do with the
scariness about how to treat this medical emergency. It you don't do it
right, it will lead to further and permanent brain damage.
HOW IS HYPONATREMIA TREATED? From http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/heat.html: It
says that the condition is frequently mis-diagnosed as dehydration and that
the consumption of water makes matters worse because it dilutes the blood
sodium concentration even further than it already is.
From http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic275.htm
"The principal causes of morbidity and death are when chronic hyponatremia
reaches levels of 110 mEq/L or less and cerebral pontine myelinolysis (an
unusual demyelination syndrome that occurs when HYPONATREMIA IS CORRECTED
TOO QUICKLY).
Much has been written about treatment of hyponatremia and the potential
adverse outcome of central pontine myelinolysis. This condition is
demyelination of the pons, which can lead to mutism, dysphasia, spastic
quadriparesis, pseudobulbar palsy, delirium, coma, and even death.
Raising the serum sodium concentration more than 25 mEq/L or to a normal or
above-normal level in the first 48 hours increases the likelihood of central
pontine myelinolysis.
The main controversy in the literature surrounds treatment of chronic
symptomatic hyponatremia because, as mentioned, central pontine myelinolysis
may result if the condition is corrected too rapidly. Therefore, although
treatment in these patients is similar to that just described, the rate of
correction should be slower (0.5 to 1 mEq/L per hour). Aggressive therapy
should be discontinued when the serum sodium concentration is raised 10% or
symptoms abate."
Upon being admitted at the first hospital in Vermont my soium level was 113
mEq/L but then quickly went to 116 and the next reading was at 126. The
hospital felt uncomfortable and kept telling my husband it was possible I'd
get "PONDS" - which is central pontine myelinolysis (permanent brain
damage). They also told him to think about long term care for me and that
"things could turn out a number of ways". They also asked him if I remained
in a vegetative state, would I want my organs donated and did I have a
living will prepared. At this point, an ambulance took me to New Hampshire
to Dartmouth-Hitchcock. Needless to say, I think I aged my husband about 10
years during these 5 days.
WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM EFFECTS? Well, so far I feel I am about 95% back to
where I was neurologically before the race. (Physically, I lost 10 pounds.)
I couldn't remember my password when I got to my office so I couldn't log
into my computer and I forgot a combination lock number I often used. I
also forgot a few people's names. I had a little bit of trouble typing and
signing my name but that seems to be gone now. The last clear things I
remember from the race are at the mile 18 aid station. I am also a bit
spacey (it's a bit difficult for me to concentrate) but I can drive. I am a
research scientist so it's important that I be able to generate and
interpret statistics. I haven't tried that yet but I'm optimistic. Here are
a few more links (in case you just can't get enough about hyponatremia):
http://www.spinalhealth.net/hypon
http://www.fred.net/ultrunr/hyponatr
Finally, the way to avoid this in the future (for me) is to drink less water
and eat more salt. I will also push for a blood test from my doctor before
I run another 100 (this was my 5th one) to make sure I am not starting out
at a deficit - which is what the doctors were suggesting at
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Hospital. They said that my low sodium diet, combined
with a high volume of running (sometimes as much as 100 miles/week) and
sweating in the heat and humidity here in the Washington DC area were the
problem combined with the low volume of electrolyte fluids (relative to the
amount of water I was taking in).
This was scary. I hope some people will be educated by reading this and for
the many people who emailed and asked me what happened, I hope this answered
their questions.
Thank you so very much again everyone for your concern. My friends,
co-workers, relatives, and the ultrarunning community have been great!
Michele Burr
If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
The attendant then asked him if he wanted the 64oz, or the large? "If you want the large, you'll have to pull round back with your truck."
Listening to comedy from 5-10 years ago shows two trends in the general public: upsizing and diversifying.
One of Denis Leary's better rants from Lock n' Load was about how "You can get every other flavor of coffee out there except COFFEE FLAVORED COFFEE. They've got mochachino, they've got cappachino, frapachino, rappachino, Al Pacino, WHAT THE FUCK?"
Think about it, though. Next time you go to a 7-Eleven, and you fill up a 64 ounce drink with Vanilla Coke. Think about whether or not it'll fly nowadays. Think about whether or not Crystal Pepsi would have made it today with Britney Spears and Austin Powers hawking it.
What was there back then, anyways? That's not a Pepsi, that's a Crystal Pepsi. And that's not a Dark Michael Jackson. That's a new and improved White, light, and refreshing Michael Jackson!
I only wish that Tab would have still been a major player in soft drinks nowadays. With all the saccharine, they could have people like Denis Leary doing commercials for "New and Improved Cancer-Causing Cranberry Tab!"
Doesn't sound like a good idea? Oh well. Maybe that one's only for the smoking demographic.
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I'm sorry, Geek Unfriendly?
I'm a 19 year old web developer and Jr. Syadmin. I care about the MPPA, RIAA, Freedom... About computing issues. I'll even argue VI over Emacs.
By most accounts I am a geek.
I also happen to be a bodybuilder, and was plesantly surprised about an article regarding health concerns.
Not every geek in the world wants to die when a 5lb blob of lard finally hits their heart. Not all of us are fat lazy pigs either.
Mabie a number of geeks don't have time to get up and work out... That doesn't mean they don't care about health.
I'd like to dispell this idea that geeks are ugly, overweight, sloppy, and socially inept... Mabie then I could call myself one in public without feeling like I'm insulting myself.
The substance in the cup constitutes very little of the cost of selling the cup - that is, taking the order, collecting the money, filling the order, getting the stuff to you, cleaning up the table where you drank it, constantly cleaning up the whole darned store to meet the health code... The same thing applies to the burgers, fries, etc. So the restaurants can quite easily offer a lot more food and drink for just a little more money, and it looks like a great deal.
It is a great deal - for your cardiologist.
(I should talk. One of my two-year old grandsons just patted my belly and asked, "baby?"
You just have 72oz of ice in the thing leaving you with the same, paltry 80z we started with decades ago.
I think the reason why 12 oz. cups of coffee are more common nowadays is the fact that the average standard size coffee mug is 12 oz. to start with. I'm sure folks in the Seattle area have seen certain coffee beverages served on what looks like a large soupbowl (yikes!).
As for single-serviing cold drinks, we first started with 8 oz. bottles, then 12 oz. bottles, then 16 oz. bottles, then 12 oz. cans, then 16 oz. cans (though this is rare nowadays), and now 20 oz. bottles. Indeed, pretty much every soft drink I know of if they use a bottle are sold in a 20 oz. bottle that can fit most automobile cupholders easily.
The so-called Super Sized cups are not as common as people think. I actually find it a bit unwieldy to hold even the 32 oz. cups found at most convenience stores. In fact, the largest cup I can hold comfortably is the 22 oz. Slurpee cup from 7-Eleven, due to the fact this cup can fit standard automobile cup holders and also my hand can comfortably hold the cup.
I have one of those cups sitting around somewhere. My officemate ran into a CircleK (they also have the 64oz cups) and asked if I wanted anything - I said to get me a sprite.
He came out with one of these things, which I think cost like $0.89.
Best use I've found for the cup is to fill it up with Guinness and have a nice evening!
I know caffine fiends who down a triple shot mocha latte whatever, which easily has more caffine than the average 8oz in a smaller container. The only serious downside to this is you build up a tolerance and anything less just doesn't cut it, regulating the victim to the "blatter buster" size or go for the quadra-shot. Really not a pretty sight either way...
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This is just another example of economics being applied in an amoral fashion. For quite some time I've been lamenting the demise of the 12-oz can in convenience stores, which has been replaced with 20-oz plastic bottles. All too often I find myself falling prey to the "you've gotta finish it" mentality. No doubt this comes from being told as a kid to "clean your plate because people are starving overseas".
Of course, I could just pour out the extra soda or plan ahead by purchasing smaller units at the grocery store. However, if I were inclined to do that I wouldn't be at the convenience store to begin with. Planning ahead simply isn't... well... convenient.
So... what can we do with all that flat soda? I hate the idea of just dumping it, so here's my proposal: Flat soda collection centers.
It's not as crazy as you think. Since all non-diet sodas are essentially sugar-water with an acid pH, all we have to do is dump them in a vat, rebalance the pH, add yeast, and let them ferment. Then we can distill the product into ethanol and use it to power stuff.
Of course this will never work. Most people drink the whole 20-oz, or just dump the flat soda. If I were the tinfoil-hat type, I'd say there was a conspiracy to make America fat, but it's really just amoral economics.
The companies get a better margin on bigger bottles. They can afford to please the gluttons at the expense of the rest of us because the gluttons are their best customers. There are only 2 major soda companies. Any vendor that tries to carry the smaller sizes faces the same margins. They may also face pressure from the soda companies. Pepsico does a lot of its business because it owns restaurants. They should be forced to divest all their restaurant holdings, as this is very much against the public interst. Alternatively, their corporate charter could be revoked thus relieving them of both the benefits and obligations of being a corporation. Of course charter revokation is a futile proposal since the public service nature of corporations is all but dead and burried.
Both soda companies are guilty of using heavy-handed contracts on independant operators. All corporations (not just soda companies) should be barred from making deals that prevent customers from dealing in competing products. Such a law, were it in force, would solve much of the Microsoft problem too.
At any rate, the application of "economies of scale" to serving people drinks is just one of many examples of economics being applied without thought. These aren't refineries we're fueling here, THEY'RE HUMAN BEINGS. They require something other than maximum volume at minimum cost.
Don't worry too much though. Misguided economics works in the other direction too. Free Trade wags are actually seriously proposing the elimination of subsidies and tarrifs on agricultural products worldwide. As everybody who took basic economics knows, agricultural subsidies help ensure greater than "market" output. Market output could lead to food shortages in drought years. Tarrifs encourage local production. Take away the tarrifs, and US agriculture might flee to a lower cost producer. Yes folks... all of this means that Americans, yes AMERICANS. May someday be taking grain from UN workers throwing it out the back of trucks. And the Blue Helmet guys probably won't offer you the option of "super sizing" that sack of wheat.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
how can you call 80oz a cup? Call it what it is, a pail / small bucket for godsake!
I really get fed up with fast food restaurants trying to get people to buy more and more, by sending the message that they're not buying enough. First they keep asking if we want more, then after giving more, treat it like it's not enough:
"Yes, I'd like the personal pan pizza for dinner."
response: "Would you like to make that a MEAL with a drink and fries for only $2 more?"
"No, I was under the impression a pizza would constitute a meal for most normal people."
Hm, I'm getting a lof of pet back-burner projects stacked up, maybe it's time I actually got up and started some of them...
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"Pay just $20,000 for this super-size cup holder, and get this SUV free!"
Maran
The problem with 7-Eleven is that the "Gulp" really should be called the "Small Gulp".
What's a small gulp? Isn't that like a sip?
I've always been confused by the fact that they used a measurement of speed instead of size, anyway. Gulping your drink down means to drink it fast, not necessarily to take large mouthfuls, because you can do that slowly.
Get off my launchpad!
Christ, how much do these companies think people need to drink, anyway?
The right question is "Christ, how much CAN YOU MAKE them drink anyway?"
Privacy is terrorism.
Excuse me? I thought only type 1, juvenile onset diabetes sufferers, took insulin injections? I thought type 2, adult onset diabetes sufferers were supposed to control their blood sugar through diet and exercise.
I understood that many native communities were struck by epidemics of obesity and adult onset diabetes when they shifted to the same diet of junk food as the rest of us, but that when the sufferers lost weight, through a healthy diet and exercise, their diabetes disappeared.
Repeating my main point -- a bad diet can help you acquire diabetes as an adult, but you won't "shoot up" insulin.
Takes a big man to call someone a twit over the net. Congrats. Hey, if you're ever in Chicago, let me know. See if you want to call me a twit in person. Bet you don't. Thanks again, Fucko.
Oh Jesus, you really are dumb. Really, you should avoid using the "I may be stupid, but I can kick you ass!" line for future reference. You see, this sort of talk only suggests that you're too impotent to muster up a half-wit comeback or even a 10 cent quip. It vindicates people's suspicians that you're stupid.
I've obviously been an asshole (my original objective), but I see you're not up to it, making it as sporting as being cruel to small animals and tricking retards. I may be an asshole (at times), but I'm not cruel. I have too much empathy to be cruel.
Because I want to leave you with some dignity, you can call me a pussy as much as you want and I won't dispute it.
Earth and Justice to you, Fucko!
(That's my, you've been flamed signature) It has a how-do-you-say, a goofy adolencent appeal, n'est pas?
DIRECTOR'S NOTE: I was trying to project a silly irony of being childishly anticlimactic after a poignant 'your mamma' joke.
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
Like saccharin, Nutrasweet will kill your ass dead if you eat your body weight in it every day for twenty years.
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You say tomatoe, he says tomato.
You say colour, he says color.
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Not that Canada's super thin, we just tend to not be as fat when we are fat, and the median is at a heathly BMI instead of the "overweight" BMI marker.
The fact that the entire eat-out food culture of the US is based around fast-food and other places where upselling and the size shell game (make the package hold less and charge the same, them "introduce" the larger one back at a larger price) makes me wonder.
2,000 calories (or kcals if you're anal) is the borderline you want to keep your eating at if you have a healthy metabolism. One "meal" with large fries and a large (super-sized) drink and something like a double quarter pounder is something like 2,400 calories in total. Is it any wonder why people are overweight?
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And knowing the costs on items, I can say that the burgers are sold at about 20-40% mark up (depending on type and meat). Fries are stupidly cheap: where I work, 1lb of fries is 96 cents Canadian. A "medium" (4.5oz) package of fries costs 1.69 before taxes. I don't know how many oz are in a pound (I'm Canadian even if your distributors aren't), but I know that that's an insane markup. The same goes for our pop. A syrup box lasts for a long time (20L of syrup mixes to hundreds of litres, and our largest size is only a litre and a bit and costs 2.02$ after taxes).
:)
Making the drink and fries larger has a marginal cost to the company of a penny or two. It has the marginal benefit of getting 40 or more extra cents. If every penny I owned could make a 4000% return, I'd never have to work fast food again!
Note: I'm factoring in labour on the burgers, too. However, they only take about 30-90 seconds to make, which means that at its worst, only 1/60th of 6.35 Canadian has to be added onto the (small) costs fo the burger itself
This marginal cost/marginal benefit reason is also why many consumer electronics places try to upsell their ESA (extended service agreements). They get an extra 50$ or 100$ of pure profit out of you, for little extra work. If something goes wrong, they're out... but chances are things well be ok. Especially on electronics which tend not to have very many moving parts. There are exceptions (I've had nothing but troubles with my Xbox, and had te buy an ESA to get it fixed), but in general every place that ever tries to offer you a "deal" at the end is doing it to increase their margins.
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Which I know from my time under the golden arches...
:)
It consists of the following: a cheese burger, a small-size fries (3oz), and a small drink (12 oz I think, I'm not good with US weights and measures).
I'm just curious why the "All-Canadian" is the same as the US, but smaller. Once again, that curious service-industry link to cronic obeisity is worming its way into my mind
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Congratulations, not only was that a good save, but we all learned something. You came through despite my insulting and meaningless verbal assult and ended up taking the high road. I bet you'll be taking the high road more often.
While you do that, I'll continue taking the low road so others can take the high road.
I have conceeded...
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
What about the benefit to the amount of calories being ingested?
Economics models that are too simple do not take into account factors like health, or sane amounts of calorie ingestion per day.
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I just got back from Mexico and in a lot of parts I visited, the best I could get is a 12oz bottel. Even in puebla most common was 600ml. This drove me crazy. I need a lot to quench my thirst on a hot day and its not like I can just turn on the faucet down there.
/. crowd has ever worked outdoors, yet alone in a construction type job, where you pick up 64oz QT cup and its your drink for the rest of the morning. When you are lifting and actually WORKING and not working on an ass imprint, then I bet the upgrade from 64oz to 80oz of energy punch would be welcomed!
Also, I doubt that more then 1% of the
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Instead, I go into Starbucks and overhear people ordering grande cappucinos. These people's hearts usually then burst out of their chests and tap-dance on the table, but I digress.
Point being, there seems to be an overall trend of everything in America getting bigger: Coke cups, coffee cups, McDonalds sandwiches, and, possibly not unrelatedly, people's butts.
Alright already! I get the hint. I'll stop abusing the Penis Enlarging pills.
"Face it, a nation that maintains a 72% approval rating on George W. Bush is a nation with a very loose grip on reality.
But I've only got a 32 oz bladder at best!
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
Franchise branding for different markets.
:)
In the US, Wal-mart is Wal*mart. * as in *s and stripes. Interesting?
Wendy's, Arby's, McDonald's all use little maple leaves in place of apostrophes in Canada.
This is something you notice if you're a person who thinks like me
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