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Expect DVD Chip Price Wars
prostoalex writes "With more companies developing the chips for DVD players the price wars might ensue. According to this DigiTimes report, 'Boosted by rising shipments, the higher price of DVD player single-chips is likely to push up the average chip price to US$9.56 in the fourth quarter from US$8.58 in the first half. However, the increasing number of chip suppliers also implies that a new price war may soon develop'. The predictions of DVD chips sales slowing down add to the expectations for price wars."
This is good for us, the consumer right? Hopefully they are gonna be dropping prices on these babies so fast, somebody might be able to implement them in new places. I for one need a portable dvd player with no screen. I bought the Sony Glasstron a few years back and really want to be able to skip the in flight movie.
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This isn't going to change the end-user price - why do we care about this?
Reading this story, it seems the chips only make a few dollars/pounds difference to the price of a single player, so is this really that big a deal to a consumer? I think the players are pretty cheap anyway - it's the DVD disk box-sets that really hit the wallet!
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A price war will just mean that corporations will lower the standards in production practices, and probably layoff a bunch of people in the assembly plants to offset the rise in the price of chips. In the end, the price of dvd players and drives will drop.
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Even for a troll, this is really really fucking stupid.
By the time you add up the markups of the various stages in the manufacturing/distribution/retail chain, a few dollars in parts cost can translate into a substantial change in the retail price.
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It had to happen eventually, the industry needs to get over it.
I don't have one because:
* Region coding - I object to it on principle, but there is also lack of information - for example, both Europe and Japan are region 2, but if I buy an NTSC disc from Japan, would it play on a European player? Also, does buying a code-free DVD player break the law where I live? I don't know, therefore I won't buy one
* Already have a laserdisc player - and a *lot* of laserdiscs. Sorry, but I'm not about to switch formats to gain, at most, a slight improvement. We're not talking HDTV here, we're talking primarily YUV component colourspace instead of PAL encoded composite colourspace.
* MPEG artifacts - analogue artifacts like dot crawl don't bother me much at all - they look natural now. Blocky digital artifacts bother me a lot, they jump out and scream, 'hello I am a compression artifact' at me, (not really, but you see what I mean).
* Sillyness - 'must watch' chapters on DVD, no, sorry, I'm not going to pay for that, forget it. 10 second copyright notice is possibly tollerable, but not adverts - no way.
* VHS is a lot better than it used to be - sorry, but it's true, in the early 80s, VHS was a terrible format, but modern machines are better than my 1970s U-Matic decks. It's not as good as laser, or DVD, but frankly, I don't cry my eyes out because I have to watch something on VHS.
* Watching fewer films now anyway - this is actually a major reason for not buying DVD. I am getting seriously bored of watching rubbish. The last film I saw at the cinema was Deep Impact - nothing has appealed to me since.
* Compressed audio - there was NO excuse for compressing the audio on DVD. I hate compressed audio, and don't want it. I want uncompressed, 2 or more channels of 48 Kbps 16-bit PCM, or nothing. It's bad enough that the cinemas are using these stupid compressed soundsystems, but don't let it invade the consumer market. Oh, you have. Another reason why I don't have a DVD player.
So, to sum up, I don't have a DVD player, and I don't want one.
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Call them ASICs or ICs or whatever the correct term is for what you vaguely meant, for heaven's sake ! We're nerds, we're not Joe Mainstream.
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FYI, the royalties for DVD proprietary standard are much more than all chipmakers' profits, or the end product makers' profits for that matter.
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competition breeds lower prices. What a concept!
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Who buys the most players? Is it the US? Singapore? China? More importantly, are the major markets for players doing well financially?
I'd say that drops in chip prices are all well and good, but the bottom line is price is going to be dictated by both demand, and what the market can bear in terms of durable goods.
Does anyone remember what the computer makers predicted for this quarter and what actually happened? Sales didn't just stay flat, in many cases compared to projections they nosedived. Durable goods are just that. Durable. Long term. You can only buy so many. Unless there is a compelling reason to upgrade, most people don't.
So who IS the major "market" for the players? Anyone have any good links/data?
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I'm less than excited. My last DVD player cost me $90. Yes, $90, new. How much cheaper can they get? Are they going to replace the increasingly poor prizes crackerjack boxes have had to resort to?
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yeah, well, we amended it. get over it.
Christ, and I thought that by now everyone could afford to have one. How do you keep up with the news, then? Or are you one of those people who prefer not to watch news because they're too depressing?
I think one factor that not that many people talk about is the fact that the latest generation of graphics cards can do hardware acceleration at a pretty high level (at least both hardware motion compensation and Inverse Discrete Cosine Tranform) for decoding MPEG-2 video streams from DVD movies.
ATI has been doing this since their Rage 128 chipset arrived around 1999; nVidia's GeForce4 MX and GeForce4 Ti also do this now, and Matrox's Parhelia board do it now, too.
In short, the market for seperate DVD decoding boards has pretty much vanished on the desktop and laptop computer market.
Never herad of one. Site is slashdotted. You just assume we all magically know what one of these is? Come on.
Either way I could care less, we're talking about 10 dollars here. Whoopee. I already have a DVD player anyways.
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In short, where is my martian porn? With the cancellation of Farscape, I'm not sure how much longer I can last!
A dollar price rise on something I may buy nine of in my entire life is about the least important news since Bill Gates' "losing" $11 billion in 2001.
WTF is an "illegal" comment?
Given that Slashdot's servers are located in the United States of America, where all reasonable political speech is permitted, an "illegal" comment generally contains one or more of libel, copyright infringement (as in this case), or enticement to commit copyright infringement or access control circumvention (such as a link to non-Pigdog DeCSS software). Giving the secret code for a level select on one of these DVD chips may be considered such an illegal comment.
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No, it's not. I haven't seen a good widening in a long while. What happened? Takes all the adventure out of reading at -1.
analogue artifacts like dot crawl don't bother me much at all - they look natural now. Blocky digital artifacts bother me a lot, they jump out and scream, 'hello I am a compression artifact' at me, (not really, but you see what I mean).
Was the player set up correctly? I heard that one reason for people's negative reaction to DVD was that there is meant to be a *bit* of softening of the image.
That's the theory- I got a new PC with a DVD drive, and wanted a movie to test it out. I picked up a copy of 2001 for UKP 7.00 (US$10.50) and played it. My reaction?
Not impressed... jaggies and conspicuous compression all over the place. Tried another movie, was much more impressed, then went back to 2001. Seems the `softness' setting must have got checked somehow; for a small reduction in sharpness, the picture was vastly improved. Sure, you can still find artifacting if you look for it, but it's not noticable in the vast majority of cases- unless you're looking for it.
DVD isn't perfect, but it beats the heck out of VHS (well, PAL VHS anyway).
OTOH, I agree with you about movies sucking; most of them do. And you didn't mention the higher cost of the disks vs VHS, nor how fragile they seem to be.
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Even if you were born heterosexual, you can still learn to appreciate all-male sex. I did. You just need a sensitive and understanding partner for your first time.
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$60 at Sears. It's not the hax0rable version but it plays DVDs. MP3 CD-Rs and JPG CD-Rs too. Kinda pissed it doesn't play VCD (Apex had a tussle with Philips and Philips pulled their CD-I/VCD license) but oh well, more for my PCs with DVD drives to have fun with.
At this rate, we will see DVD players in crackerjack boxes by 2005.
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And what about chips that support DVD-Audio? Jesus, how long has that format been just around the corner? As for me, I'm not buying a DVD standalone until it can play MPEG-4 and doesn't cost me much. If the established chip manufacturers are raising prices, maybe this will open a window for Sigma to get their better chips into consumer players. Hate them if you like for falsely taking credit for Xvid (I accepted their appology), but you still have to admit that MPEG-4 in the living room would rule! It's worth waiting for, in my opinion.
Take a look at the old, old days of thedigitalbits.com. Most companies held back from DVD to see what would happen (or backed DivX). Only Warner Bros and the various porn companies jumped on it quickly and at sell-through prices.
Warners was ridiculed in the business at the time but they have the last laugh so far.
Try making some MPEG2 and MPEG4 compressed movies yourself. In the extreme case, on MPEG4, if you don't compress the audio the audio will be 4 times the size of the compressed video! And this is only 44.1KHz stereo, not 5 or 6 channels.
I'm sorry, but uncompressed audio doesn't make sense on DVD. Perhaps in the future as we get even higher capacity formats it will.
You have to remember that DVDs actually store the same or less raw data than a LaserDisc, so of course it must be compressed.
You know, after rereading your post, you are incredibly misinformed or a troll.
DVD looks a lot better than LD (I have much experience with both) and that's before you take into account disk damage. You know what happens if you get any marks on an LD, you get those rainbow bars or white blips flying around your picture. DVD doesn't do that. So unlike the old days when I would rent an LD and see these glitches and have to worry to death about it warping if I left it in my car, with DVD the format is compact, cheap and damage resistant enough for the number of rental store to proliferate and STILL provide better quality than we had with LD. Oh, and renting VHS? Hmm, crinkled tapes and half-erased HiFi soundtracks detract from the experience for me.
Early DVDs did have huge compression artifacts, but things are pretty good now.
I agree that VHS has gone a long way, but if you look at the color rendition it still sucks next to your 70s uMatic decks. But I would agree the detail sharpness on SP VHS is comparable or better than old-tyme uMatic.
It's interesting watching the evolution of DVD in the marketplace since I was involved in it during its infancy. I wonder how long before the grip of the DVD Consortum "Gang of Ten" is finally broken.
The history of DVD offers an object lesson in old rivalaries, protectionism and national politics, battles which still rage on today. It's as if we're still fighting WWII.
The key battle seems to be between Japan and China. The Japanese missed the boat on Video CD, only to watch Philips and C-Cube walk away with the prize in China. By fostering SVCD (Chaoji) as a low-cost (and no-license) alternative to DVD, the Chinese seemed determined to hose Japan again. Under this pressure, the Japanese countered by - slowly - offering DVD technology transfers though joint ventures and though US trade bullying on 'piracy' (which we all know is more about market control than it is about copyright.)
The DVD format is about seven years old now. As prices continue to drop and worldwide DVD player demand slackens, I have to wonder how long that lucrative (and onerous) DVD licensing scheme is going to last.
As it stands now, I think it's possible to make a DVD player without a single component from an original DVD Consortium memmber. They have no value-add anymore.
The Consortium's hammerlock on DVD persists though Hollywood's dominance of content in that format. But, Hollywood is getting more competition from indigenous material - notably in huge markets like India and China - the very material that helped propel Video CD. With Hollywood's recent product becoming increasingly parochial and cliche', one has to wonder how long before its grip, too, is softened in the non-US markets.
One way for the Consortium to add value is to offer a meaningful technology upgrade to DVD. But, there's no reason that it has to come from a DVD Consortium member. What if, for example, China mastered and deployed blue laser technology and high-density disc pressing to go with it, giving them the lead in HD format? It could be Video CD and SVCD all over again.
Here's another scenario: what if a net-new standard-def format (say, MPEG-4 with HTML-based navigation) was developed somewhere and introduced in China, as an upgrade to SVCD? What if it used its own high-density media that could be manufactured on DVD production lines? I could see China threatening exactly that.
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Is anyone aware of any players that feature this chip (or another) with Xvid/DivX/Mpeg-4 functionality enabled? That would be absolutely killer to be able to watch Xvid files on the TV instead of on my tiny little 21" monitor ;^)
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Oh, don't worry. They're still getting plenty of ridicule, and they'll continue to do so until they stop selling DVDs in those god-awful crappy paper cases...and quit putting DVD layer-switches in the middle of critical scenes in their movies, or worse - disc flips. See "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" for a good idea of what I'm talking about. There was absolutely no reason Warner couldn't have put the whole movie on a single-layer single-sided disc. It's not like it had any special features or anything taking up the space.