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Self-Cleaning Glass

Chris writes "Consumers across Europe can now purchase self-cleaning glass that promises to keep windows free from dirt. The key to Activ glass is an ultra-thin coating only 40nm thick applied to the glass surface during the manufacturing process. The coating, which is based on titanium dioxide, works by combining the two beneficial effects. First, the ultraviolet wavelengths in sunlight react with a photocatalyst to break down organic debris on the glass. The second feature is that the coating is hydrophilic, meaning that when rain hits the glass, it doesn't form droplets. Rain water flows down the glass in a sheet and washes the dirt away."

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  1. Self-Cleaning Dishes by DrLudicrous · · Score: 4, Funny

    When are they going to make my plates and cups self-cleaning too?

    1. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Wolfier · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot the PANTS man, PANTS!!!

    2. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by burbledrone · · Score: 2, Funny

      When are they going to make my plates and cups self-cleaning too?

      Oh dear, another Slashdotter with no girlfriend :->

    3. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Glass pants? I can clearly see your nuts...

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    4. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by Tablizer · · Score: 2
      When are they going to make my plates and cups self-cleaning too?

      Try Dixie(TM) products

    5. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by zpengo · · Score: 2

      Forget plates and cups, what about self-cleaning armpits and genital regions?

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    6. Re:Self-Cleaning Dishes by morie · · Score: 2
      Funny, I assumed just the opposite thing.

      I used to just clean a dish when I needed one. Now my girlfriend makes me do do the dishes after I used them. The horror!

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  2. Thats handy by gowen · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... but last night I swear they were serving my beer in a self-emptying glass, and that was much less convenient. This morning, my hangover suggests that I may have been helping out.

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  3. Now... by s.a.m · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they would only do something for the *inside* that way I don't have to clean those as well!

  4. Re:Does this mean... by srmalloy · · Score: 3, Informative
    The glass could kill, or at least damage me, if I hold on to it for too long?

    Unfortunately for us all, if you're holding on to the glass, you're blocking the sunlight necessary for the reaction to work -- and while it may work well for the typical dust and grime particle, I'm sure you'll admit that you're _considerably_ thicker than a layer of dust.
  5. Look out Turtle Wax! by BadElf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If this stuff works like they say, it would be a great finish coat for cars. Instead of b*tching about it raining right after you give your ride a bath, the rain would *be* the bath! And with much of the country under drought conditions, think of all the water that could be conserved by eliminating the need to wash cars.

    1. Re:Look out Turtle Wax! by bpowell423 · · Score: 2

      I way ahead of you man... rain is already the only thing that keeps my truck clean. One of the downsides to parking my car in the carport is that I actually have to wash it!

    2. Re:Look out Turtle Wax! by spencerogden · · Score: 2

      Wax would actually do the oposite of this. Wax makes water bead, this stuff makes it sheet, like Rain-X does.

  6. self cleaning...Solar cells! by charlie763 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds like this would be good for Mars rovers and the like. One of the problems that we have with rovers is that the glass on the photo cells get dirty and degrades the power output of the cells. I know that it doesnt rain on Mars, but this glass and some wind might prevent the degredation from reaching beyond some critical value.

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    1. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Ford+Fulkerson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, if the mars rover would be covered with organic debris. I think that would be bigger news than self cleaning glass though.

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    2. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Actually, this makes more sense for solar cells here on earth. People think that power generation with solar cells is free after you set them up, because they have no moving parts, etc. Actually though, it turns out that the most important reason why solar power is expensive in the long run is because somebody needs to periodically clean the damn solar cells. You might not think this is a big deal but when you consider the surface area of solar cells you would need to generate enough electricity to power a city, it really does become daunting.

      With this coating, maybe we could just plug 'em in and leave 'em alone. Well, that would be awesome--though I still think it wouldn't solve all the problems, and that the best way to go solar is to build collectors in space.

    3. Re:self cleaning...Solar cells! by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Sounds like this would be good for Mars rovers and the like. One of the problems that we have with rovers is that the glass on the photo cells get dirty and degrades the power output of the cells. I know that it doesnt rain on Mars, but this glass and some wind might prevent the degredation from reaching beyond some critical value.

      Why not just blast it with pressurized air periodically? The atmosphere on Mars is so thin that the pressure does not even have to be that great in the storage bottle(s).

      It would function similar to the air can that PC hardware specialists have around for use on keyboards. (Although some say that stuff makes it worse by blowing some junk tighter into the springs instead of out. Lot of boogers in my keyboard :-)

      Have little spray nozles on the probe like the water nozels on car hoods, except use air.

  7. somewhere out there... by silverhalide · · Score: 2, Funny

    And somewhere out there, there's a Case Modder who just wet his pants.

    1. Re:somewhere out there... by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...which in turn cleaned the window.

  8. The window cleaner's union by fruey · · Score: 3, Funny
    In a statement today the Window Cleaner's Union said that this announcement is the beginning of the end.

    One cleaner was quoted as saying "as soon as everyone installs these Windows, the traditional squeegee and soap solutions which anyone can use will become extinct. These Windows will dominate the market, leaving only the poor and art-glass people to come up with truly community spirit based solutions with work for great glass cleaning engineers"

    Then the skyscraper windowcleaner lift corporation also came in on the act "we can't fit these 'scrapers with our traditional pulley systems any more... sales are plummeting"

    Cowboy Neal still manages to stain his new glass though.

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    1. Re:The window cleaner's union by Quixote · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Window Cleaners Union should take a leaf out of RIAA's book and (a) ask Congress to pass the DWCA (Dirt Window Cleaners Act), and (b) sue Pilkington. After all, this new-fangled glass will put them out of business!

  9. Nope, hydrophilic it is by David+Ziegler · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, I'm pretty sure that it is hydrophilic. Hydrophobic means it repels water, which would cause the water to form droplets, in order to reduce the surface area. Since it's hydrophilic, the water is attracted to the coating, which makes the water sheet.

    1. Re:Nope, hydrophilic it is by Gekko · · Score: 2

      I think you are mostly correct. However to maintain the hydrophilic properties of normal glass it would have to be kept perfectly clean. Something not easily done in ohhhh say house windows. So you increase it's hydrophilic properties, so the water sheets, so it cleans its self.

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  10. Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by hrieke · · Score: 2

    Are the first two things I want to see this used on.
    Then I can see this used on car windows, computer monitors, and other glass surfaces.

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    1. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by krugdm · · Score: 2

      If it can self-remove the fingerprints that my monitor attracts from people that think they actually need to touch the glass to point something out, I'm all for it!

      An even better solution is one that can deliver a small electric shock if your finger makes contact with the glass...

    2. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by Reziac · · Score: 2

      [laughing] Yeah, I know someone who cleaned his keyboard with a garden hose. Amazingly, the poor thing still worked after this abuse.

      But anyway... who's to say this couldn't lead to a better monitor glass as well? My newish Viewsonic's anti-static/anti-glare glass coating rejects dust pretty well, but I still have to very carefully clean the occasional spot of unknown matter stuck to the screen, and such stuff tends to STICK -- so I'm always afraid of damaging the coating. Maybe self-cleaning glass, even if not as effective inside, would help enough that spit spots and whatever would just slide right off (or would be easily removed by a dust rake) rather than needing to be rubbed off.

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    3. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by vrt3 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods
      Are the first two things I want to see this used on.

      There are three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't.
      (sorry, couldn't resist)

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    4. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by brain159 · · Score: 2

      kind of a "look but don't touchscreen"? ;o)

    5. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      back in the day - we used to put keyboards in the dishwasher. and yes they still worked.

    6. Re:Eye glasses, camera optics and consumer goods by Reziac · · Score: 2

      I've heard of that too :)

      This fellow (then age 12) also tried cooling his overheating hard disk by sitting a bag of ice atop it. Quite creative. :)

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  11. Hydrophobia by bytesmythe · · Score: 2
    I think a hydrophobic coating would make the water bead up.

    Read this for more details

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  12. Re:If it requires sunlight.... by Ratface · · Score: 2

    Ah, but on the upside, there's more than enough rain, so the dirst will be washed right off anyway thanks for the hydrophilic coating ;-)

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  13. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by zeus_tfc · · Score: 5, Informative

    That would be a hydrophobic coating. Hydrophilic attracts moisture.

    You're on the right track, but reaching the wrong conclusion. A hydrophobic material would cause water to bead up on the surface, as the adhesiveness of the material would be much less than the cohesiveness of the water. This is a hydrophilic material, at least in a sense, because the water adheres to the surface so well that it counters the cohesiveness of the water. I say in a sense, because I think a hydrophilic material usually absorbs water.

    Of course, I could be totally off.

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  14. Neat... next? by jhines0042 · · Score: 2

    Ok, cool, self cleaning windows.

    Best application for these will probably be cars.

    Question though, what happens if you get something non-organic on it... like spraypaint?

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  15. Doesn't work as advertised by HiQ · · Score: 4, Funny

    A few weeks ago I found out that there was a dead bird in my chimney (sp?). I only found out when there where hundreds of flies in my house, all covering the windows. All the shops were closed, so I couldn't buy a spraycan with which to kill all the flies. Openening the windows didn't do the trick so the only viable option left was to swat them. You should have seenm those windows after I was finished. Lots of organic debris on the glass, but there isn't a self-cleaning window in the world that could keep itself clean with a carnage like this.

    1. Re:Doesn't work as advertised by karnal · · Score: 2

      I'm not so sure, but I think if you hit the flies with a spraycan, then you'd have more problems than just dirty windows.

      *smash!*

      I'll bet you're glad you couldn't find a spraycan :)

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    2. Re:Doesn't work as advertised by geekoid · · Score: 2

      should of used a vacume cleaner.

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  16. This has been available in the US for years... by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 5, Informative


    PPG is one of the largest manufacturers of residential windows and they have produced windows using the self-cleaning coating for several years now.

    http://www.ppg.com/gls_sunclean/

    maru

  17. Worst application for this... by thaigan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You wouldn't want this on your car windows. It would have the opposite effect that RainX produces. Visibility during rain would be very bad.

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    1. Re:Worst application for this... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Ever seen what happens if you've got RainX on your car windows, and you run the squirters to clean the windshield? Apparently it reacts with the ammonia in the glass cleaner (maybe in conjunction with the plastic coating on some auto glass), and turns to a damnear opaque film instantly. What a mess!! (There have been a few lawsuits over this, tho I don't recall the outcome.)

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    2. Re:Worst application for this... by spencerogden · · Score: 2

      The way I read it is that it makes water sheet, just like Rainx does...

    3. Re:Worst application for this... by FFFish · · Score: 2

      Can't say as I've ever noticed this phenomena. I suspect it's urban legend.

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    4. Re:Worst application for this... by thaigan · · Score: 2

      RainX doesn't make the water sheet, it makes it bead up into very small beads. This is why you barely need your wipers in a moderate to heavy rain. If it made it sheet, you wouldn't be able to see a thing.

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    5. Re:Worst application for this... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      The RainX vs windshield cleaner solution is not urban legend -- I know about it because it happened to MY vehicle, while I was driving it. I'd recently applied the stuff, and all seemed fine -- until I used the windshield washers. Instant disaster!!

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    6. Re:Worst application for this... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Maybe now, but this was ca. 1985. And whatever it was, RainX and it definitely did not like each other!!

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    7. Re:Worst application for this... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Applied exactly as directed, however that was (I don't recall exactly how it said to do it, as it was some 15+ years ago). As mentioned there were lawsuits over similar incidents, so I wasn't alone in having it cloud over my windshield but good.

      My guess is it wasn't well-tested with every windshield glass cleaner on the market (as it should have been for obvious safety reasons) and by chance some folk used a formula that reacted badly with RainX.

      I'd also applied it to my truck's rear window, which of course never sees any windshield washer solution, and it seemed to work as-advertised there.

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  18. Its quite widespread already by sh0rtie · · Score: 5, Informative


    According to Google there are over 1500 references to self cleaning glass, quite a few manufacters are already selling it, Pilkinton (uk glass company) and Sunclean seem to be the market leaders though Pilkington seem to claim "the worlds first". The BBC reported this technology in 2001, in 2002 Saint-Gobain Glass won a Siemens Award for innovation for their version

    http://www.ppgsunclean.com/
    http://www.activglass.com/
    http://www.afgglass.com
    http://www.saint-gobain-glass.com

  19. Alternatively by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If glass or transparent plastic were a bit cheaper, you could just replace the windows and not need to clean them.

    How about a thin plastic film which you spray onto the glass and just peel off when it gets dirty?

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    1. Re:Alternatively by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Probably be fine if your window guy was a bird [g] or the world only had single-story buildings!!

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    2. Re:Alternatively by micromoog · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a hell of a lot more work than just squeegee-ing the glass occasionally.

    3. Re:Alternatively by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      How exactly would these two ideas be any easier than just CLEANING THE FUCKING WINDOWS?!

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      I'm at a total loss. I can't decide which I'm more flabbergasted by:
      1. The evil fscking throwaway mentality expressed in this post. Twice.
      2. That spraying a film of plastic might somehow be better than just cleaning the damn window!
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  20. One step closer... by msheppard · · Score: 4, Funny

    One step closer to transparent aluminum.

    (Hello... Computer?)
    M@

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  21. Pyrex by Reziac · · Score: 2

    I don't know about window glass, but Pyrex's glass bakingware has had a very effective nonstick coating for some years now. Dump out whatever you baked in it, and the dish is almost completely clean, needing only a bit of rinsing to get it squeaky-clean.

    The downside is, the nonstick surface scratches very easily, kinda like old-style teflon did.

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  22. Re:I love this. by gorillasoft · · Score: 2

    to waxing the windows on the outside so that rain just streaks away from your field of view in the rain (you should try it - you hardly need to turn on the windshield wipers in lighter rains).

    You should really try Rain-X - it works the way you want it to and wipers do not pose a problem.

  23. Re:HydroPHOBIC methinks. by CommieLib · · Score: 2

    It would really suck when Pa had to shoot your windows, too.

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  24. Clerks Nudie Booths conversation!!! by MicroBerto · · Score: 4, Funny

    With this stuff, we won't need any jizz-moppers anymore! Read on:

    Randal: [reading magazine] Have you ever wondered how much the average jizz-mopper makes per hour?
    Dante: What's a jizz-mopper?
    Randal: He's the guy that cleans up the nudie booth after each guy jerks off.
    Dante: Nudie booth?
    Randal: Yeah, nudie booth. You've never been in a nudie booth?
    Dante: I guess not.
    Randal: Oh, it's great. There's this glass wall between you and these chicks, and they put on a show for you for like 10 bucks.
    Dante: What kinda show? [customer walks up to counter]
    Randal: They do the weirdest, craziest shit you like to see chicks do. They insert things into any opening on their body-ANY opening.
    Dante: Could we not talk about this now?
    Randal: The jizz-mopper's job is to clean off the glass after each guy shoots a load. I don't know if you noticed, but cum leaves streaks if you don't clean it right away.
    Customer: I will never come to this place again!
    Dante: I'm sorry? [I could have sworn he says 'excuse me']
    Customer: Using filthy language in front of the customers, you both should be fired.
    Dante: I'm sorry, I guess we got carried away.
    Customer: I don't know if sorry could make up for it, you've highly offended me.
    Randal:Well, if you think that's offensive, check this out! [shows him graphic picture from porn mag] I think you can see her kidneys!
    Customer: Aaaaargh!

    One extra insight -- what does the customer bring up to the counter?? You guessed it! Paper towels and glass cleaner! Hahaha, what an incredible movie

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  25. Implications for Windshields and Radar Detectors by j-turkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is this slated for use in car windshields? If so, I wonder how this will affect the detection range of radar detectors.

    A few years ago, there was a study of cars with windshields that use certain tinting and weatherproofing that (incadently) reduces the efficency of radar detectors, cutting detection range from 60-80%. There's some info on it here, and a bit more info here.

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  26. Can we by dubiousmike · · Score: 4, Funny

    coat my 16 month old son with this? He gets dirty within 30 seconds of coming out of the bath.

    Please make sure to leave air and sight holes. ;-]

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    1. Re:Can we by jhines0042 · · Score: 2

      I know you are kidding, but read this:

      Asthma Risk May Be Cut by Dirt, Study Says

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  27. Not just Europe by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    This has been available in the US for a while.

    I've been pricing new windows for my house, and the self-cleaning stuff is an (expensive) upgrade.

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  28. My first application of this tech... by DohDamit · · Score: 2

    Actually, the first thing I thought of was the inside of my microwave oven. Damn food splatters everywhere.

    1. Re:My first application of this tech... by p3d0 · · Score: 2

      Good thinking. Then all you need is ultraviolet light and the occasional rain storm inside your microwave oven.

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  29. Do they coat the inside of the windows? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Also, would the glass itself stop the portion of the spectrum that activates the cleaning process for any inside layer?

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  30. Grafitti solution? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    I was wondering if something similar could not be done for grafitti. You spray a thin coat over a given street sign, for example.

    When the "artist" fouls it, you spray on a chemical that dissolves the coating, and the grafitti then flows off with the dissolved coat.

    Then hose it down and put on a fresh coat again.

  31. Re:Bad Idea 4 solar cells blocks UV by dmadole · · Score: 3, Informative

    Solar cells unfortunately need the UV light to fuction properly

    That's not true. The spectra of radiation that can be converted to energy by a solar cell is directly related to the bandgap energy of the material the cell is made from, and there is an optimum (for efficiency) bandgap that corresponds to the visible spectrum of light. Most solar cells do not convert significant energy in the UV area of the spectrum

    That's part of the reason that solar cells are quoted as being only 10-15% efficient. That's of the total solar spectrum. Most are better than 50% efficient within the relatively narrow part of the spectrum that they are tuned for.

    For a little more information, see the ever popular How Stuff Works.

  32. This is old news by El · · Score: 2

    This was announced last year here

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  33. Re:Titanium is cancerogenous! by brain159 · · Score: 2

    And we're supposed to pay the slightest sensible attention to an AC who seems to honestly believe that "cancerogenous" is a real word? That's just as bad as the mentions of "meativores" in Jurassic Park.

  34. Brings a tear to my eye... by Myco · · Score: 2
    *sniff*

    God bless America(tm)...

    1. Re:Brings a tear to my eye... by Cruciform · · Score: 2

      about $7.35 an hou-- Hey wait! You tricked me!

  35. won't happen in the US by g4dget · · Score: 2
    US homes are usually constructed by companies just for selling them, or by people who don't expect to live in them for more than a decade. That means that they usually cut a lot of corners: the quality of the materials may be good (though often it is not), but any frill gets cut.

    Europeans often still build homes for themselves and expect to live in them for a lifetime or generations. Then, it makes sense to pay for extra conveniences.

  36. Re:Implications for Windshields and Radar Detector by 3waygeek · · Score: 2

    Well, Pilkington does make auto glass -- my new Mitsubishi Diamante has their glass. My guess is that if some European/Asian automaker asks for it, they'll do it if it's technogically feasible (i.e. can it meet safety regs).

    Interesting point about radar detectors -- I tend not to use one, since there's not a lot of speed limit enforcement around Atlanta, and the few municipalities that aggressively enforce speed laws tend to use laser rather than radar.

  37. Cool! by bruthasj · · Score: 2

    Now LA just needs to convert all their street signs to glass. It might be cheaper than barb wire.

  38. self cleaning monitors by searleb · · Score: 2

    It would be really interesting to have self cleaning monitors. Everyone seems to forget to clean the fingerprint and sneeze crud off of them. Of course, there are no windows anywhere near my cubicle, so glass that uses UV to break down grime is out of the question.