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Help wanted: CTO at Warner Music.

Gill_Bates writes "It looks like Warner music group are looking for a CTO. I'm intrigued by the sentence that reads "Builds prototypes and evaluates alternatives for on-line music delivery, P2P warfare, copy protection, etc." " How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?

180 comments

  1. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Warner Music is cool. Wait... are they part of the RIAA? Argh

    1. Re:wow by xcsuperfly · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Gill Bates, Bill Gates. Coincidence ?

    2. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes!

    3. Re:wow by blibbleblobble · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Warner Music is cool. Wait... are they part of the RIAA? Argh"

      Exactly.

      Ever heard of a decoy? Someone to take the anger of consumers, someone who isn't recognisably the same as the Warner Music you might be considering buying a CD from?

      Do the truth a favour: next time you want to critisize the RIAA, pick one of their member companies as your target instead.

      "And Warner Brothers, who represent the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, are campaigning to make it legal to sabotage your computer in the name of 'compliance'"

    4. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but they also own Netscape. Which is the good guy, right?

  2. Well... by Purple_Walrus · · Score: 1

    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?

    Possibly when you join the Army? Hmmm... Easier to join too!

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    1. Re:Well... by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      Wars have two sides, what's to say that the RIAA and their cronies will win?

    2. Re:Well... by Regul8or · · Score: 1

      "what's to say that the RIAA and their cronies will win?"

      Me and the most powerful force on the internet, it's users. We seem to always have our way.

  3. Lots by EvilStein · · Score: 5, Funny

    "How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?"

    If Donald Rumsfield is your boss, the answer would be "All of them."

    1. Re:Lots by Brandeissansoo · · Score: 1

      Actually, George W Bush would be your boss. As Commander-in-Chief, he has the final say in everything that has to do with warfar.

    2. Re:Lots by Maserati · · Score: 2

      I thought the operant theory around here was that George W was working for the RIAA and not the other way around.

      Did I miss a SlashThought update ?

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    3. Re:Lots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, George W Bush would be your boss. As Commander-in-Chief, he has the final say in everything that has to do with warfar.

      oh please, George doesn't even know what day it
      is without uncle Dick Cheney showing him on the
      calendar.

    4. Re:Lots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lowest form of humour, highest form of vulgarity.

    5. Re:Lots by EvanED · · Score: 2

      Even if he is stupid (trying to avoid a political debate), that doesn't change the fact that he's officially in charge. If he orders someone in the military to do something and they don't obey, some would consider it treason. But I agree that being officially in charge doesn't mean you're practically in charge, but military actions will be officially ordered by Bush.

    6. Re:Lots by Scott+Wood · · Score: 2, Informative
      From Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:
      Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
      Disobeying an order from the President will likely get a member of the military in a lot of trouble, but unless it meets the above criteria, it cannot be considered treason.
  4. it's a job by lexcyber · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It pay's money - so there will always be someone applying. - Money make people do stupid things. - As always. Money often win over ideology. - I hope they find some braindead sucker that will do a pisspoor job.

    It's time for the mucichians to wake up and understand they can do their own distribution. - The time for the big record labels are numbered. Soon they will wanish in a fading cloud of historydust. And the no-talent marketingdroids that claim they know what the "market" want will be no more....

    Yes, I have an utopian dream, help me get to it.

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    1. Re:it's a job by jgalun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a very presumptuous comment. Believe it or not, there are technical people out there (programmers, engineers, etc.) who do not subscribe to the Slashdot libertarianism, who believe in patents, who support copyright protection, etc.

    2. Re:it's a job by Hanno · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am a technical person, I support copyright protection, believe in patents, have a brother working in the music industry and make my own music in a not-amateur-anymore band.

      And yet I still think that the US patent system is horribly broken and that the music and movie industry are on the wrong path and that they must be stopped walking it.

      Your point being?

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    3. Re:it's a job by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Funny

      do not subscribe to the Slashdot libertarianism

      It's Slashdot socialism, not libertarianism. [I'm not a libertarian, but if I was, I would be insulted at the accusation. :) ]

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    4. Re:it's a job by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      This is a very presumptuous comment. Believe it or not, there are technical people out there (programmers, engineers, etc.) who do not subscribe to the Slashdot libertarianism, who believe in patents, who support copyright protection, etc.

      People don't seem to have any trouble working on building weapons of mass destruction. And for that matter, folk who really follow the Ayn Rand philosophy of 'serve your own self interest, bugger everyone else' should not have any trouble working for Saddam Hussein, let alone the RIAA.

      I think I got headhunted for this position last week. I get a lot of headhunter calls, most are just trawlling for any engineer, this one had prepped. She had either got a copy of my resume somehow or someone had done a web search and put it together.

      Now, I have consistently argued against Napster and its ilk. But I would not take a position of that type unless I had full control over the strategy and it is clear that they see combatting the P2P threat in technical terms and not psychological terms. Confrontation with your customers is a stupid tactic.

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    5. Re:it's a job by avante · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that P2P warefare IS an ideology.

    6. Re:it's a job by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      It's Slashdot socialism, not libertarianism

      I don't think it forms any coherent political ideology, but then again neither does libertarianism.

      Insofar as slashdotism is about eliminating inequalities of wealth with respect to intelectual property it could be called 'socialism'. Although I don't think that Robert Owen would have seen it that way.

      Insofar as slashdotism is the unfettered persuit of self interest it is libertarian.

      The problem is that the essence of libertariaism is the rejection of all social obligations. As Margret Thatcher once said in one of her loonier moments 'there is no such thing as society'. Slashdotism is all about community and so I don't think that it is libertarian.

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    7. Re:it's a job by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Insofar as slashdotism is the unfettered persuit of self interest it is libertarian.

      Libertarianism is not "unfettered" pursuit of self interest, it's the "fair" pursuit of self interest where everyone has a level playing field. Of course, "level playing field" is a loaded statement, since many people believe that the government should "level" the field through a lot of artificial means. But that's a debate for another day. I will say this: contrary to popular opinion, Libertarians are NOT for monopolies, and most support action where it's warranted. [aside: probably few think Microsoft is warranted, and I would probably agree]

      Slashdotism often wants to take from the producers of society and give it to everyone else. That's socialism.

      The problem is that the essence of libertariaism is the rejection of all social obligations.

      Once again, although I don't subscribe to Libertarian philosphy in all its "beauty", I have to defend them on this. Libertarians believe very strongly in social obligations -- through neighbor to neighbor obligations, not government to neighbor. The government forcibly taking from one person to give to another breeds resentment in the takee, and the faceless nature of it breeds dependency on the taker. Not to mention the extreme inefficiency. For these reasons, charity should be done voluntarily and locally.

      Slashdotism is all about community

      To some extent; OSS is often about community. But don't fool yourself that stealing music, software or patents is about community. That's about blatent "gimme gimme gimme for free".

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    8. Re:it's a job by nomadic · · Score: 2

      It's time for the mucichians to wake up and understand they can do their own distribution. - The time for the big record labels are numbered. Soon they will wanish in a fading cloud of historydust. And the no-talent marketingdroids that claim they know what the "market" want will be no more....

      That's fine, but under that system almost nobody will be able to support themselves solely through their music. Everyone wants to be onstage, nobody wants to be in the audience, and when every other person on the planet has their own garage band, none of them are going to be making a profit. So don't quit that job at Starbucks, folks.

    9. Re:it's a job by iamacat · · Score: 1

      I dunno. Never heard from a slashdoter who wants to be prevented from listening to his/her music at work or in the car. Or who will be upset if radio played more music variety. For most people I know, paying for songs is no more trouble than dropping coins into a parking meter. If they are not buying, it's because RIAA is refusing to sell what they want. Happens all the time in a capitalist society.

    10. Re:it's a job by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 2, Funny

      some braindead sucker that will do a pisspoor job

      But I thought that was the job description for a CTO.

    11. Re:it's a job by the+gnat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      THANK YOU! Some common sense at last. Why is this so hard for people here to accept? Everyone gets so hung up on their particular ideology- "software should be free", "music should be shared", "strong IP law is the foundation of our economy"- that they're unable to agree on a middle ground, which is almost always best for everyone.

      You don't need to be opposed to the concept Intellectual Property to recognize how screwed up our system is. I support O-S/Free Software, run Linux, oppose software patents, and dislike Microsoft, and yet at work I'm one of the only ones speaking out against our rampant piracy of Adobe and MS products.

    12. Re:it's a job by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 1

      Don't fret, P2P needs beta testers. After the dust settles, P2P will be a brick house. And the big bad wolves will go back to telemarketing.

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    13. Re:it's a job by Lothar+0 · · Score: 2

      But don't fool yourself that stealing music, software or patents is about community. That's about blatent "gimme gimme gimme for free".

      One cannot steal music, software, or patents - only the physical devices on which these things reside. Hasn't the IP vs. physical property distinction been drilled in our heads on /. already? ;-)

      One also cannot justify robbing someone of just compensation for their work, but the trick is in defining what "just compensation" is. It's somewhere in a spectrum from the inherent joy one gets from producing creative works (the "gift economy" model) to getting potentially infinite monetary compensation for one unit of someone else's labor (the RIAA's dream). I'd personally like to see more /. posts productively addressing the "just compensation" issue.

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    14. Re:it's a job by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      Libertarians believe very strongly in social obligations -- through neighbor to neighbor obligations, not government to neighbor.
      So, if two assholes move besides you after you've been there for 15 years, though fucking shit for you. If you're not happy with them storing old cars (for one) and old airplanes (for the other) on their front lawn, move.
      The government forcibly taking from one person to give to another breeds resentment in the takee, and the faceless nature of it breeds dependency on the taker. Not to mention the extreme inefficiency. For these reasons, charity should be done voluntarily and locally.
      When the State (not the government - you anglo-saxons are pitifully clueless about the three branches it seems) does that, it insures that EVERYBODY gets the same treatment, no matter where they are; so if they don't happen to live in a generous neighbourhood, they are not screwed like it happens so much in the USA with, say, school districts.
    15. Re:it's a job by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      I'd rather be in the audience. If it's work, you don't want to do it all the time.

    16. Re:it's a job by Scott+Wood · · Score: 1

      It's already the case that almost nobody can support themselves solely through their music; however, with a more direct distribution system, the promotion of bands would be more decentralized, which would likely lead to more variety in the handful of bands that reach a sufficient popularity level that they can live off of their music.

    17. Re:it's a job by Kylow · · Score: 1

      "When the State (not the government - you anglo-saxons are pitifully clueless about the three branches it seems) does that, it insures that EVERYBODY gets the same treatment, no matter where they are; so if they don't happen to live in a generous neighbourhood, they are not screwed like it happens so much in the USA with, say, school districts." Refresh my memory. Who administers school districts? Ah yes! Its the State!

    18. Re:it's a job by Kylow · · Score: 1

      The fact of the matter is that people are inherently self-serving and most will take a free ride as long as they're in the majority, even if it is wrong. Even if the RIAA had a website where you could mix and match any songs you wanted, stamp out the CD, and have it mailed to you for a reasonable price, P2P would still be incredibly popular. If you don't believe this, check out all the warez irc channels, websites...I guess the software companies must not be providing what people want either, eh?

    19. Re:it's a job by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

      People seriously supporting OS/Free software will be the first to fight piracy for several reasons.

      The surprise to me would be that somebody serisouly involved in OS/Free software would be boasting about the latest pirated product in his collection.

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  5. Wanted: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    General to lead a late-term, losing battle.

  6. p2p warfare by incom · · Score: 1

    They don't even care enough to use a euphamism.

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    1. Re:p2p warfare by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2
      They don't even care enough to use a euphamism.

      Why should they care? They weren't the ones who declared war.

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  7. What? by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 1, Redundant
    They couldn't find anyone willing to take the job already, someone within the company? Surely anyone would be oh so anxious to take a job like this, fighting for such a noble cause...

    [/sarcasm]

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    1. Re:What? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      They couldn't find anyone willing to take the job already, someone within the company? Surely anyone would be oh so anxious to take a job like this, fighting for such a noble cause...

      It is easy to find someone willing to do a job, harder to find someone capable. Warner is not a technology company, although it is part of AOL which allegedly is. Companies like Warner are most likely to hire senior technical management out of technology companies.

      However looking through the AOL Web site it is clear that the job is hardly a top tier technology placement. Although it carries the title CTO there are many CTOs at AOLTimeWarner and this job is in the second tier.

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  8. First Let's Kill All Our Customers by jodo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    God this is entertaining entertainment.I have noticed at least two tv ad campaigns that feature consumers downloading and burning music. Implying it is a cool and totally normal thing to do. I think the majors are fighting a war they have already lost.

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    1. Re:First Let's Kill All Our Customers by lpret · · Score: 1
      I've always wondered what the RIAA has thought of these commercials, I mean, they are blatantly showing that their product is the best for copying music.

      The one I'm most aware of is the Intel commercial (US, I don't know about the rest of the world) which features Moby's music, and it shows a couple of kids getting together to copy CDs. The other one I remember is the Roxio advert about a kid who burns a bunch of CDs and then takes them to the school parking lot and sells them.

      Now I could understand if these companies knew that these things were going on in a nudge, nudge, wink wink kind of situation, but these are actually condoning such actions. Well, as the parent poster said, let's watch the war that you know has to occur. Beware of women who pay their rent in dollar bills...

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    2. Re:First Let's Kill All Our Customers by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 1

      now that you mention it I find this commercial incredibly ironic. On one hand you have Intel promoting Cd burning in some way, and in the background you have Moby's music, who has been whining a lot recently due to poor album sales because of online piracy. ^_^ And didn't he say that he wouldn't license 18 for commercials? ^_^ wake up, boy!

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  9. 'warfare' by Valar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not many companies would put 'warfare' in a job descriptions firstly because few are in a mindset that they at war (i.e. the goal is to destroy, not that the goal is to make profit by selling goods), and secondly because not many companies can get away with it. People would think Coca-Cola completely daft if they asked for a CTO to help shut down Pepsi's website. Now mind you, pretty much everyone admits that Pepsi's actions are more or less legal. That, however, doesn't make it any less excusible because vigalantism is supposidly illegal. That's my 2*10^-2*dollars.

    1. Re:'warfare' by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People don't 'admit' that Pepsi's 'actions' are 'more or less legal'. Pepsi is a company, just like Coca-Cola. The music labels are trying to fight something which they essentially can't win against, because it's not another company they can shut down. Napster, yes. The entire personal computer movement, with all the attendant technological freedoms it brings, no. Maybe the DRM/Palladium thing will help, but I don't think enough people will get behind that to make it a mainstream reality.

    2. Re:'warfare' by AftanGustur · · Score: 2


      Not many companies would put 'warfare' in a job descriptions firstly because few are in a mindset that they at war

      I don't agree, the term "war" in modern economics, simply means "to be in the presence of opposing force". It is a widely used metaphore and there is even a French school that's called "The school of economical Warfare"

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    3. Re:'warfare' by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      If Warner music has declared war on P2P users what is the logical next step?

      Is this a one way war where they kill p2p users and destroy their equipment or will the users fight back? In most wars you would expect casualties on both sides even if one side is overwhemingly more powerful.

      It will be intresting to see what kind of casualties will be inflicted on p2p users and warner music as a result of this war.

      Also Most wars tend to expensive I wonder how this war will effect their share price.

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    4. Re:'warfare' by alan_d_post · · Score: 1

      Not many companies would put 'warfare' in a job descriptions firstly because few are in a mindset that they at war . . . . . People would think Coca-Cola completely daft if they asked for a CTO to help shut down Pepsi's website.

      Ah, but Coca-Cola *is* at war, with its own workers. Behold the Google search for "coca cola columbia labor"!

    5. Re:'warfare' by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 1

      we are already seeing the casualties. Lost of many of our fair-use rights, increased prices, and loss of some services on one side. And supposedly lose of profits on the other. If you dont think of these as casualties, I dont know what will convince you ^_^

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  10. From hotjobs? And you think it's real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on, slashdot just had the discussion two days ago about how these jobs sites just post stuff to get you to sign up and receive spam. I don't believe for a minute that this is even real.

  11. my job description did by 4444444 · · Score: 2

    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?

    When I was in the Air Force my job title did. Electronic Warefare technician

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    1. Re:my job description did by rat7307 · · Score: 1

      When I was in the Air Force my job title did. Electronic Warefare technician.

      In that case your job did NOT include the phrase "Warfare"

      rat7307 - Being pedantic since 1998

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  12. Wow, they're doing this overtly? by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It surprised me that they were declaring p2p warfare OVERTLY, but then again, didn't Congress pass a bill that would give blank checks to allow p2p networks to be hacked by record companies, ie. distributing fake-hashed files to corrupt everything on the network and so forth?

    We should all mass apply and /. effect the job application -- posting "p2p warfare" is a blatant display of corporate immorality and thuggery, and it threatens our freedom.

    1. Re:Wow, they're doing this overtly? by no+soup+for+you · · Score: 5, Informative
      didn't Congress pass a bill that would give blank checks to allow p2p networks to be hacked by record companies, ie. distributing fake-hashed files to corrupt everything on the network and so forth?
      A bill has been introduced in congress, and hearings are being held, but it has not been passed.
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    2. Re:Wow, they're doing this overtly? by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 2

      Fortunatly, they haven't passed it yet, and at least one of the sponsors is starting to backpeddle on those provisions.

    3. Re:Wow, they're doing this overtly? by ONOIML8 · · Score: 2

      I think you're wrong. That law gives us all the freedom to hack, crack, and do all the evil you want. All you have to do is set up a small business and call yourself a record company.

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    4. Re:Wow, they're doing this overtly? by Cemetery+Walk · · Score: 1

      Just how does this "threaten our freedom."? Are you afraid they are going to stop you from stealing copyrighted material? They are not forcing the end of P2P, they just don't want their stuff transmitted over it. Fine with me I would rather go to MP3 and get some excellent music at a fair price. You are free to do the same or not to. Just remember there are laws against stealing and if you don't agree with the law you should work to change it not break it.

  13. i know that was rhetorical, but i can't resist... by evacuate_the_bull · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?

    Absolutely all of them if you are working for Dubya.. :rolleyes:

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  14. Just swamped with applicants by The+Llama+King · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about some guerilla action here?

    Wouldn't it be fun to apply for this job, and once you're in the interview process, begin espousing pro-P2P views. What if, one after the other, these guys had to confront a parade of rabid, file-sharing geeks with CTO-level qualifications?

    Even better, *don't* mention your views until after you've accepted the job. Then work to sabotage Warner's "P2P warfare" efforts. Yeah, that's the ticket.

    There's probably enough of you unemployed CTO's out there - who've undoubtedly spent your idle days using Kazaa - to pull of this Ken Kesey-style prank.

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    1. Re:Just swamped with applicants by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2

      If you think that you can walk in off the street to interview for T-W's CTO position, I want some of what you're smoking. If they haven't heard of you before, they won't give you the time of day.

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    2. Re:Just swamped with applicants by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      The resume is in the mail...

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    3. Re:Just swamped with applicants by StuffYourReligion · · Score: 1

      If you think that you can walk in off the street to interview for T-W's CTO position, I want some of what you're smoking. If they haven't heard of you before, they won't give you the time of day.

      Malakias! If what you say was true they wouldh't be posting an ad on HotJobs, they'd be contacting all those famous CTOs they'd "heard of before."

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    4. Re:Just swamped with applicants by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2
      I'll explain how this works. They are required to have the appearance that anyone with the right qualifications could get the job. Therefore, it is posted in public. In reality, they have a short list of candidates and/or recruiters that they will be going to. All of the stuff that comes in through Hotjobs will go straight to /dev/null.

      When applying for a job at this level, who you know is 98.5% of the fight.

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    5. Re:Just swamped with applicants by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 2

      If they haven't heard of you before, they won't give you the time of day.. Don't bet on it. If you have really good references and relevant background, they would consider calling you in for an interview. That being said, I don't think more than just a very few slashdotters would get the call.

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    6. Re:Just swamped with applicants by malana-cream · · Score: 1

      >There's probably enough of you unemployed CTO's out there - who've undoubtedly spent your idle days using Kazaa - to pull of this Ken Kesey-style prank. There's enough of unemployed CTO's out there, that the slashdot-folks only would be 1% of all applicants.

    7. Re:Just swamped with applicants by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2
      I'd bet on it. At this level, the really good references consist of your fraternity brothers from back in the day. The relevant background is which country club you belong to.

      This is the way executive hiring works. They'd rather have someone that they're comfortable with.

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  15. How about by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 3, Informative
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  16. Tomorows news today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Help wanted: CTO at another doomed bigcorp.
    NewsPosted by CmdrTaco on Sunday September 29, @11:16AM
    from the meet-interesting-people-and-kill-them-deja-vue dept.
    Gill_Bates writes "It looks like american nuclear power group are looking for a CTO. I'm intrigued by the sentence that reads "Builds prototypes and evaluates alternatives for renewable power sources, windmill warfare, solar energy "protection" , etc." other job descriptions including the phrase "Warfare"(80)?

    This will prove to be an interesting match

  17. "Warfare" by RimRod · · Score: 5, Funny
    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?

    According to Monster.com, 335 job descriptoins include the phrase "Warfare". You can hold such captivating jobs as:

    • TWw Naval Warfare Requirements Analyst for BAE SYSTEMS North America, Inc!

    • Sr. Electronic Warfare Systems Engineer for Sippican!

    • Electronics Engineer Senior Staff for Lockheed Martin!

    • An Information & Electronic Technician in over 100 locations for the Naval Reserve!


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    1. Re:"Warfare" by FattMattP · · Score: 2
      An Information & Electronic Technician in over 100 locations for the Naval Reserve!
      It's good to know that Warner Music is helping to keep the country safe, just like the Navy!
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  18. See for yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More then I suspected...



    gg: job-description warfare

  19. It wouldnt be advertized on Hotjobs.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Its either a joke, or someone trolling for names..

    Perhaps its really them, and they will collect names and home addresses of people to raid... If you know p2p warfare, you MUST be one of those evil people that download.. or god forbid.. share your music..

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  20. warfare by cybercuzco · · Score: 2

    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?


    Soldier, Sailor, Pilot, general, admiral, president, secretary of defense, secretary of the navy, secretary for the army, linux zealot etc etc.

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  21. What are you waiting for? by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 2
    Yes, I have an utopian dream, help me get to it.

    All the enablers are there ready to be exploited. You will need an economic model to make it work, but how hard is it to compete with standard recording contracts for artists? To pay artists, ask for money just like NPR and come up with a formula to distribute the wealth. RIAA members are only interested in the million+ sellers anyway. Also, there is no reason not to charge a royalty for companies that want to actually make and distribute CDs with cover and label art, etc.

    With all the industry players trying to piss off their customers with DRM, it shouldn't be hard to make this grow. I'd do it myself, but it isn't my core interest. I know there are lots of you out there who are that interested, and lots more like me who are interested enough to give suggestions and use these services when they become available.

  22. Other industry compared by standards · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At this point, Warner can do one of two things to survive: (1) change their business model, or (2) "go to war" against the many innovations that are making their business model obsolete. So it doesn't surprise me that they use the term "warfare".

    It would appear that Warner is not capable of significant change. And that's easy to understand - Warner is a very old company, stuck in it's way, and hasn't had any ground-shaking innovation in the past 50 years. When you feel like crap, it's more satisfying to "go to war" than to intellegently address a serious issue.

    It's kind of like Apple in the early 80's. Apple could have stuck with the comfortable Apple II line, or change. Apple changed and propelled the entire marketplace forward.

    It's like IBM in the 90's... it could continue to be a big-iron shop, or change. It changed. IBM is much more of a service oriented company, embrassing the likes of Unix, Linux, and Java. They leveraged their former glory with new innovations.

    But remember, like them or not, Apple and IBM have ALWAYS been innovators. Warner is more like US Steel in the 80's. US Steel could have continued to be an old-school steel producer, or change to react to new steel producing innovations happening overseas. US Steel decided to stay the course, and the steel industry in the USA is still plumetting and out-of-control.

    Warner has chosen the path of US Steel.

    1. Re:Other industry compared by stud9920 · · Score: 1
      It would appear that Warner is not capable of significant change. And that's easy to understand - Warner is a very old company, stuck in it's way, and hasn't had any ground-shaking innovation in the past 50 years. When you feel like crap, it's more satisfying to "go to war" than to intellegently address a serious issue.
      What country does this country remind me about ?
    2. Re:Other industry compared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey dude, what an UN-AMERICAN thing to write. Very un-dude like, you sound like a holy linux lover.

      Sometimes it's just better to smash someone versus wasting time thinking.

      Why don't you and all your music-loving, libertarian love-boys head on back to colonial times, where we all had to wear red coats and sing God Save the Queen on every tuesday night.

    3. Re:Other industry compared by demaria · · Score: 2

      Canada?

    4. Re:Other industry compared by dazdaz · · Score: 1

      I've always thought that war only works for country's with a bad economy, I have doubts whether this approach can bolster a company's failing budget. This is because their going about it the wrong way, it strikes me of shooting oneself in the foot.

    5. Re:Other industry compared by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 1

      Warner is more like US Steel in the 80's. US Steel could have continued to be an old-school steel producer, or change to react to new steel producing innovations happening overseas. US Steel decided to stay the course, and the steel industry in the USA is still plumetting and out-of-control.


      While I agree with the majority of your post, would you care to elaborate on this point? It's my impression that what happened to US Steel is the same thing that's been happening to the US Textile industry.

      1) Overseas labor costs about 1/10th what it does in the US
      2) Industrial optimization process technologies have produced high cost/production efficiency, with human labor floating to the top of operation expenses.

      If you couple those two factors, it leaves very little room for policy solutions. So what could US Steel have done? What can it possibly do now?

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    6. Re:Other industry compared by StuffYourReligion · · Score: 1

      Great points all, except the one about IBM embarassing the likes of Unix, Linux, and Java.

      You should be embraced!

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    7. Re:Other industry compared by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      Warner is a very old company, stuck in it's way, and hasn't had any ground-shaking innovation in the past 50 years.
      - sigh - you are so right. To think that the Looney Tunes are more than 50 years old...
    8. Re:Other industry compared by alba7 · · Score: 1
      > [...] If you couple those two factors, it leaves very little room for policy solutions.
      > So what could US Steel have done? What can it possibly do now?

      Quality and Productivity.

      That's what everybody else is doing. Your post is 100 % red blooded American attitude. The US has never understood the concept of efficiency. And most of the time they are even too autistic to just copy the solution from others.

      Western Europe and Japan face the very same problem since the 70s. One answer is automization and education. Let machines do all the work; educate workers to be operators. And in most cases high-tech methods of production lead to higher quality products. Spectacular examples are high-speed railways and the automative industry.

      The industry in the civilized world answered the challenge of leight-weight materials like aluminum or carbon fiber with high-quality steel that can be rolled thiner.

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    9. Re:Other industry compared by obdulio · · Score: 1

      When you feel like crap, it's more satisfying to "go to war" than to intellegently address a serious issue.

      This is called Bushism.

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    10. Re:Other industry compared by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      Canada?

      No, no, no. That's the answer to the /. poll. Go back to the front page and try again.

    11. Re:Other industry compared by thesupermikey · · Score: 1

      This is very off topic, but I think it must be said. While US Steel, Bethlehem, and other large integrated yards have been losing big because of Companies like Nucor, and Steel Dynamics. Those small scale foundries do little to no processing on site and rely on scrap yards all to do that work. This works very well for the most part. Steel Dynamics has just finished building a new foundry in Northern Indiana and is buying out one in Indianapolis.

      Last thing is that cheap and lower grade steel from overseas didn't help.

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    12. Re:Other industry compared by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      At this point, Warner can do one of two things to survive: (1) change their business model, or (2) "go to war" against the many innovations that are making their business model obsolete.

      Just what change of business model would you suggest which could allow Warner to survive without going to war against P2P?

    13. Re:Other industry compared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your question is short-sighted. You seem to conclude that there is no EASY solution to Warner's failings. No one said business plans were easy, or could be summarized in three sentences. That's why they're called "plans". Business plans run into hundreds of pages, taking many person-years of effort.

      What do you want, someone to say "I have a solution to Warner's troubles!" right here? Do you really think business is so... simple? Clearly you've never been involved in the creation of a business plan.

      Warner is a billion dollar business. They have the resources to deeply study the market and to find a solution that improves their business based on the basic economic ideals that President Bush supports.

      Or they can try to regulate all aspects of the audio and video industry.

      They can improve themselves, of entrench themselves. They're still in the buggy-whip industry, when we're all starting to buy cars.

    14. Re:Other industry compared by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      What do you want, someone to say "I have a solution to Warner's troubles!" right here?

      No, I just want anyone who claims to have a solution to Warner's troubles to back it up by providing that solution.

      They're still in the buggy-whip industry, when we're all starting to buy cars.

      Bad analogy. Buying cars isn't illegal. It's more like they're in the sports arena industry, and someone just came out with a device which can print perfect replicas of tickets.

    15. Re:Other industry compared by gvonk · · Score: 2

      Bad analogy. Buying cars isn't illegal. It's more like they're in the sports arena industry, and someone just came out with a device which can print perfect replicas of tickets.


      Whoah, whoah, whoah, Mr. "Bad Analogy" Man.

      Seats in a sports arena are finite.
      Copies of digital information that can be shared are, for our purposes, economically infinite.

      How was yours a good analogy?

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    16. Re:Other industry compared by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Seats in a sports arena are finite.

      Yeah, but tickets aren't.

      Copies of digital information that can be shared are, for our purposes, economically infinite.

      So? How does that help the RIAA make money? They should give away their music for free and make it up on volume? I think we've already seen how well that works. Stopping piracy is the only way the RIAA can have a viable business model.

      How was yours a good analogy?

      Stopping ticket copying is the only way a stadium is going to have a viable business model. Well, that or eliminate tickets altogether, which in the RIAA analogy would be streaming pay-per-use audio, I guess.

      Anyway, I admit it wasn't a perfect analogy, but I think it was a hell of a lot better than the one I was responding to.

    17. Re:Other industry compared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Seats in a sports arena are finite.

      >>Yeah, but tickets aren't.

      >Copies of digital information that can be shared are, for our purposes, economically infinite.

      Can one justify the view that the number of potential buyers of a particular piece of music is finite?

      For example, just because your parents want the latest Kenny G CD doesn't mean that you will... If your parents get an illegal copy of the CD (or some convenient format) that they would otherwise pay for, hasn't the record company lost a sale?

      Of course, I have no idea of how to quantify the number of people who would otherwise buy a CD.

    18. Re:Other industry compared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US steel industry has been in continual crisis since the 1960s. There was opportunity after opportunity for US Steel to take a step back and right itself.

      Yes, off shore labor is significantly cheaper. But then again, EVERY american industry has this same issue: off shore labor is cheaper in terms of electronics, guns, cars, textiles, information technology, and just about everything else.

      As you know, many of these industries have survived in the US. But they've all gone through radical change. For instance, the automobile industry was pretty heavily beaten in the 80s by better product coming from Japan. What did the US industry start to do? They started to compete. Yeah, it hurt - they lost lots of money, some companies went away.

      But instead of making the hard choice of investment and improvement, the management of US Steel depended on destructive regulations... regulations which have only kept it the single most inefficient industry in the US.

      Why Bush would support such regulation is beyond me. It does a dis-service to everyone,m especially the US industry he purports to support.

  23. Surfing the net... by Knacklappen · · Score: 1

    ...mmmmh nothing here about CTO of WB:
    http://www.job-go.com/Society/Issues/Warfare_and_C onflict/

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  24. Prankster Pranks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should we come to the interview dressed in dayglow, run around the office rapping off what the interviewer said, offering acid to everyone?

    I bet if we got them to see "the other side" they would give up warfare :)

  25. Count me in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I meet all of the requirements. I've even got my MCSE and 15 years experience in P2P warfare.

    1. Re:Count me in. by msfodder · · Score: 1

      Oh, you people don't have a sense of humor. That's pretty funny.

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  26. Sabotage! by Blacklotuz · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Is there anyone in the slashdot crowd who's qualified for this job? Preferably somebody who's willing to leak company secrets on encryption/copy protection methods and p2p 'Warfare' strategy! Lets take em down from the inside!

    1. Re:Sabotage! by gorbachev · · Score: 1

      It would not be a great career move to take a job just to sabotage the company.

      But, if you're 60 and readying for retirement...
      Or a multimillionaire looking for something to pass your time :)

      Proletariat of the world, unite to kill the RIAA

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  27. People :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When are we going to wake up and send a message to the RIAA and tell them to leave our P2P networks alone.

    1. Re:People :( by droopus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sigh. This is the music BUSINESS...be clear on that. It's not charity, it's not a font of free stuff just because people have found a way into the vaults that the labels cannot block.

      They cannot just "leave you alone" because, for the 400th time, the business model of the music business is that of subsidy.

      IOW, 85% of CDs released fail to recoup: to earn back what it cost to make them. Fewer than 5% are profitable. This unmet cost must be shifted onto the backs of other bands, and when one hits, the price to buy it must be raised to cover the loss on the previous 85.

      So, to change drastically, as many here simplistically suggest, here's the first step:

      In the case of Warner Music..throw 600+ bands out on the street. Violate and void their contracts, pay the staggering legal costs, deal with the hundreds of contract-violation lawsuits, start again with a new business model.

      Oh but then, how do they pay their help? They couldn't at first, so, go then they must fire the 25,000 or so people who work for Warner Music.

      Ok, now, come up with a way of marketing music that the filesharers like: IOW, give it to them free, or make the cost transparent, such as a MSO (cable company) subscription surcharge. Once Warner makes enough money that way (give it 20 years or so) they can begin to hire back the 25,000 people they had to fire, and start to sign cutting edge bands that might not recoup again.

      I suggest that if the labels did what many people think is "a good idea", the outcry over a few hundred thousand pink slips and thousands of newly-unsigned bands might cause a bit more of a ruckus than Warner looking for a CTO to explore distribution alternatives while keeping their bands signed and workers employed.

      And please, no "they can distribute on the web!" How many tracks from MP3.com did you buy out of the 67,000 artists there? How many did you even listen to?

      Unfortuntely, the whole scenario just isn't as simple as people make out, because they don't know the whole picture. It's easy to suggest massive change for a $40 billion business when you don't know the complete story, is't it?

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    2. Re:People :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are we actually suppose to care if WB goes out of business? Sure, it'd be a shame for the peons, but why should we give a flying wossname if their business model is obsolete?

      Evolve or die. That's nature.

    3. Re:People :( by paulbd · · Score: 2

      so what's the business model you suggest to replace it? the current model has the attractive property that it allows WB and others to speculate on bands because of the subsidy offered by the successfull ones. are you suggesting that web-based distribution can remove the need for this subsidy?

    4. Re:People :( by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the current model has the attractive property that it allows WB and others to speculate on bands because of the subsidy offered by the successfull ones

      Greedy accountants "speculating" over the next music craze has all but destroyed the industry.

      50 years ago, in the early days of rock-n-roll, there was a very loose network of local radio stations operated by young people who loved music. They played what they wanted to play, for people who listened to what they wanted to listen to. Some guy in L.A. might get a phone-call from his buddy in New York, saying "hey man, check out this new Pink Floyd album called Dark Side of the Moon." Next week the DJ gets his hands on the record, listens too it, and by his own volition airs it because it's good.

      Nowadays it's all push push push, marketroids and accountants tell DJs what to like, and what to distribute. That my friends, is a broken system.

      The wrong people are deciding what we listen to, and only a very select few(I.e. those who don't have a lawyer around to tell them how hard they're getting fucked) manage to get into the industry today. So you tell me, would you rather have:

      A) 600 bands a year shoved down your throat, regardless of what they sound like, represent, or say.
      b) 100,000 bands available on a P2P network...and you decide who gets in based on music critics you trust, and word of mouth.

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    5. Re:People :( by paulbd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      lets restate those choices:

      1. 600 bands a year shoved down your throat, but each of them with some moderate chance of being able to make a living from their music if people like it.
      2. 100,000 bands available on a P2P network, with almost no chance of making a living because there are no effective social networks in place to allow discovery to take place.
      i'd much rather have (b), but neither you nor anyone else has made any serious suggestions how the discovery process is going to work. mp3.com already has tens of thousands of bands listed - no mechanism exists for me to decide if i like any of them. the main mechanism i use these days is to listen to echoes (echoes.org) and check out the echoes website. what mechanism exists to get stuff "released" over p2p into the "forums" or "contexts" where i'll believe its even worth me trying a listening session?

      i can't disagree with your characterization of the radio business, but almost nobody does! defining the radio business like this isn't the issue - finding a workable alternative to the way it currently works is. and frankly, all the alternatives i've seen (including one that i set up (Equal Area)) have the implication that the vast majority of musicians that don't draw large crowds to live performances can forget about making a living.

    6. Re:People :( by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Music wasn't always about business. Many of the great composers were independantly wealthy, or they had a single wealthy patron. Songs and stories are even older, oftentimes they were sung by just ordinary people...in bars, at public events, etc. The lineage of music is as old as humanity itself, but only in the last 100 years or so has it transitioned into a commodity.

      Up until recently the commodity way was fine because the distribution system was so costly...music was recorded onto a magnetic tape, or a record, or a CD using expensive recording equipment...then put on an airplane or a boat...and shipped overseas...those things cost money. Consumers were willing to pay because the value outwieghed the cost. But now that we have the medium to communicate music to almost anywhere in the world cheaply and quickly. We really have no reason to maintain this infrastructure any more.

      If some guy vacationing in Indonesia wants to record a native island song, and then release it onto a P2P network, that's great. The whole world just benefitted from that single individual's contribution. Forever. Millions of people doing this produces an incredible amount of content. We have so much music on record now, that it would take several lifetimes to listen to it all anyway.

      There are also plenty of amateur musicians(I.e. people with jobs who play during thier off time because they enjoy music) who sound better than any of todays "new" music. But nobody gets to hear them, why?

      You and many others are looking for ways of salvaging the old model. But there really is no value-added benefit in the old system. Paying people's salaries costs money, and that means revenue...but why would anyone pay them? What for?

      1) Anyone with a PC can create/record music quality that was unheard of as recently has 1970.
      2) "Professional" musicians sound worse than many amateurs.
      3) Music can be trasported anywhere instantly for almost zero cost.
      4) It would take several lifetimes to listen to all the music out there now.

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  28. Warfare by digitalsynapse · · Score: 1, Funny

    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?

    With the Bush administration in office, is that a trick question?

  29. Out of context.. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Umm, what I read wasn't P2P warfare.. I read this:

    "... evaluates alternatives for on-line music delivery, P2P warfare, copy protection, etc."

    later I read:

    "Analyzes all industry wide technological developments and initiatives related to music and music distribution in an effort to help company sustain its competitive advantage in the music technology marketplace."

    Alternatives to P2P warfare. I think they realise its just not cost-effective to have a bunch of people sitting around trying to hack everyone who's running KaZaa.

    Looks to me like they want someone to come up with realistic solutions and strategies that will work in the real world. Seems they want to 'Adapt or Die'.

    "Requirements
    A college degree or equivalent experience is required in engineering, computer science. Specific knowledge and experience in new media and new technologies is required."

    Purely speculation: Their old CTO probably favored the old-school 'sue em all' approach, that's probably why he's lining up for food stamps, and why the particular wording of the job offer. Looks like they want a new direction, not to just bump another talking head into the post.

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    1. Re:Out of context.. by ImpTech · · Score: 1

      Looks like alternatives FOR p2p warfare to me, not alternatives TO p2p warfare...

      I take that to mean evaluate different methods of p2p warfare and pick the best one.

    2. Re:Out of context.. by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      A college degree or equivalent experience is required in engineering, computer science.

      HAH, take that all you "a degree is a requirement to get a good job" people.

      You've been sold a bill of goods. Only idiot HR departments mandate a college degree with no exceptions for technical jobs.

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    3. Re:Out of context.. by commodoresloat · · Score: 2
      Their old CTO probably favored the old-school 'sue em all' approach, that's probably why he's lining up for food stamps

      I seriously doubt that William Raduchel will be needing food stamps anytime soon.

    4. Re:Out of context.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another fine ITT graduate.

      Or are you just a high-school dropout.

      Go back to flipping burgers.

    5. Re:Out of context.. by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      Purely speculation: Their old CTO probably favored the old-school 'sue em all' approach, that's probably why he's lining up for food stamps, and why the particular wording of the job offer.

      More likely he's joined a lot of other C?Os on a fast boat offshore to avoid the DOJ.

  30. p2p warfare & faked hashes by Erpo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most slashbots are too lazy to write (as in with a pen, paper, a hand, and an informed mind, not as in forward email with a computer) their congresscritters let alone hit refresh in a browser once every minute for...how long? In any case, I think DDoSing wouldn't even be all that effective in promoting social change which is what we really need. What I find interesting is that they've already spelled out that the CTO must come up with a plan to engage in P2P warfare. I mean, I realize that job descriptions are all about...well...describing jobs, but it seems like they're saying, "You have complete freedom....to find a way to do what we've already decided is the best thing to do even though that's a decision the CTO should make." Isn't it the Chief Technology Officer's responsibility to say things like, "Hmm, maybe our company's current position with respect to technology, that is using the public's ignorance against them to push oppressive DRM into all digital devices, isn't working. Why don't we evaluate some other plans?" Again, I realize that they probably don't want someone who would make that statement as their CTO, but it still seems odd.

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    Also:

    Slightly OT, but there are actually two things going on here:

    1. Media companies have legal permission to crack into your computer and delete files as long as they tell the gov't about it first. This doesn't give them the legal right to distribute fake files, but that activity wasn't illegal in the first place as cracking into someone else's computer and deleting their files was. I don't know if they've actually done this yet.

    2. They distribute fake files on p2p networks with names that suggest they're not fake. The idea is that the fakes are released before real content, fakes spread all over the network, and real content gets hard to find because nobody bothers to delete their downloads that turn out to be fakes.

    They can't fake the _hashes_ on files. If they have a rogue p2p client online, they can respond to searhes for a certain hash and try to get clients to download from them, but when legitimate p2p clients see that the bytes coming from the rogue client don't hash to what they're supposed to, those bytes won't be included in the file. The only way they could "fake the hash" is by finding another file that has exactly the same length and hash as the original file but contains different data. I don't know what fastrack/winmx/others use, but gnutella uses SHA1 hashes (or bitprint hashes which incorporate SHA1) which are designed to resist that kind of attack. In other words, if you have file (A), it is easy to find its hash (B), but it is near impossible to find another file (C) with the same hash (B) as the first file (A). Of course, as long as p2p users remain lazy and ignorant and p2p software developers don't develop features that prompt the user to identify and delete bad files, media companies won't have to fake the hash in order to frustrate users.

    1. Re:p2p warfare & faked hashes by LarsG · · Score: 2

      Media companies have legal permission to crack into your computer and delete files as long as they tell the gov't about it first.

      No, they don't. While I think that the Berman bill is bad, it does not allow media companies to hack into your computer. It does not provide a safe harbour that allows the *AA to delete or alter any files on your computer.

      The purpose of the bill is to create a safe harbour for 'content owners' that use technology to impair the sharing of copyrighted content on P2P networks.

      Berman claims that the bill is not supposed to legitimise general attacks on P2P networks. The confusing thing is that I'm hard pressed to think about any attacks on P2P networks that:

      1) Is not already legal today (For example, filling the network with bogus Britney mp3s), or
      2) Impacts only illegal sharing of copyrighted material instead of killing the whole - or parts of the P2P network itself.

      They can't fake the _hashes_ on files.

      I'm not up to date on current P2P protocols, so Rambling_Mode=On.

      What if the RIAAntiKazaa chaffing servent simply lies about the hash. You can't check that the hash is correct before you have downloaded the file anyway. Besides, with segmented downloading you only need to download one segment of a file from the chaff servent to destroy the file.

      If you do SHA (or similar secure hashes) on segments of the file, it would be possible to discard only the bad segments instead of the whole file.

      You could create a known_bad list of IP adresses that the RIAA chaffer clients use. Hmm.. If some of the clients connect through dial-up ISPs with dynamic adresses, you might have to blacklist the entire netblock - not nice.

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    2. Re:p2p warfare & faked hashes by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 1

      edonkey already does that. www.edonkey2000.com

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  31. Your post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    reminds me of the many "almost funny" replies that appear on the oldmanmurray forums.

  32. P2P ... by Ando[evilmedic] · · Score: 2

    How about "P2P 'embracement' of a viable and powerful potential revenue stream."

    This just shows that the record labels Still Don't Get It.

  33. fake files? how about fake networks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    We should flood the internet with fake p2p networks. Hype up a bunch of phony file sharing services, add some fake users and lots of what appears to be illegal 'content', and viola the RIAA has an instant playground that they can happily launch DOS attacks against to their hearts desire.

  34. I know where they should recruit by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

    The closest Amish village. I mean, they need someone familliar with keeping alive "horse and buggy" technology in the 21st Century!

    The recording industry as currently constituted is just as obsolete.

    I think it'd be a perfect fit.

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  35. but obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...it didn't include HTML, or were you declaring war on the close italic tag?

  36. I'll do it... by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 1

    I always wanted a job where I wouldn't have to feel guilty about slacking off, being incompetent and generally causing the organisation who I'm working for to collapse...

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  37. Re: Got little brothers or sisters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If so, do them a favor and get them the h*ll away from the US television set. Disney is fighting it's campaign now through it's cartoons, indoctrinating the youth - perhaps this has been going on for years. Basically they are showing the kids how good pyramid schemes, oligopolies, the legislative policing of distribution channels, and other socialist instruments ensure jobs, and that marketplace competition and innovation put people out of jobs. Poor dinosaurs.

    I encourage people not to steal music from the labels. I also encourage people not to buy artists music through the labels. Go straight to the source and buy *from* the artist, NOT the cartel.

    Good day!

  38. No. by NineNine · · Score: 2

    We should all mass apply and /. effect the job application -- posting "p2p warfare" is a blatant display of corporate immorality and thuggery, and it threatens our freedom.

    No. That's useless and childish. What we all should do is to make sure that all of the audio/video, etc. that we have on our hard drives is what it says it is, and leave your favorate P2P client running CONSTANTLY. They want warfare? I'll give 'em warfare.

  39. Saw the T-ONLINE (german ISP) advertising ? by aepervius · · Score: 1

    In their advertising they saw "[...] Give you the pwoer and speed to download music and film off the internet [...]"

    From what legal source ??? The *BIGGEST* ISP from germany , from the Phone company, is adbvertising downlaoding copyrighted music/film indirectly !

    When you reach that point where carrier advertising more or less pirating then the war is truly lost.

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    1. Re:Saw the T-ONLINE (german ISP) advertising ? by Sandman1971 · · Score: 1

      Both Sympatico and Rogers, the 2 biggest ISPs in Canada (DSL and cable respectively) also advertise the fact in their commercials "download music and movies".

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    2. Re:Saw the T-ONLINE (german ISP) advertising ? by Kylow · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, there are legal sources to download music and film, two examples being mp3.com, and broadband.yahoo.com. There are others.

  40. P2P: Project Mayhem by SunPin · · Score: 1
    The first rule of P2P is that you never talk about P2P...

    Seriously, IF this is real then it reveals a major weakness in the industry.

    "IF" is an important qualifier because given the MP/RIAA "right to hack", it's certainly possible that the need is real.

    However, it is improbable that they would look to the market to fill their need for a P2P "warfare" expert. Hollywood is a place of connections and "I know a guy..." nonsense.

    This falls into the "don't pet the sweaty stuff" category regardless of truth.

    Chris Uzal, Editor, Cyberista

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  41. Steve Ballmer should apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Steve Ballmer would be a good candidate. He could post videos of him dancing out on P2P networks labeled with popular music names, and the disgust would make the P2Pers stop downloading stuff.

  42. Gill Bates?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gill Bates
    Bill Gates

    Boh... :)

    Bye!

  43. This Does Not Bode Well For The Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The past several years have seen the internet bubble burst and the beginnings of a global recession kick in. Despite dice.com's chirpy optimism, venture capital, promising startups, and technology jobs are scarcer than four-button mice right now. The road to a solid recovery is going to be long and gradual.

    In spite of the present gloom, the Internet isn't going anywhere; it is certain to play a key role in the recovery that is sure to happen. Minor roles will be played by all of the Internet applications that have proven themselves to be useful, practical, and in many cases necessary for business, commerce, and communication. These include email, web, instant messaging, and the ability to easily move data from one individual to another.

    Businesses have long been vexed by the fact that Microsoft's Instant Messenger does not interoperate with AOL's and vice-versa. Instant Messaging and P2P systems as systems that will find customers among the business set are still in a state of flux. There are opportunities to take advantage of there, and it is taking advantage of market opportunities that will fuel the recovery of the economy.

    However, any startup focused on developing a P2P system that is perhaps designed to fill the current gap created by the failure of the IM apps to interoperate or to use any other business model to succeed will find itself not only facing a difficult economic environment, but also facing the very real danger of having to cope with technological attacks from the RIAA or MPAA.

    Thus, we now have a situation where a company that is trying to create a legitimate and valuable P2P system is likely to come under attack by something other than marketplace competition. An entire area of business opportunity has been seeded with landmines at a time when we need it most.

    P2P systems are a key part of the suite of must-have applications that will help the internet as a whole bring us out of the recession, and the RIAA has unfortunately positioned itself to fight it.

    1. Re:This Does Not Bode Well For The Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo Nortel droid, your crummy excuse for a company will be long gone before there is any recovery. No internet "app" is gonna save yer canadian bacon.

      Maybe you can ask Bill Gates for a refund on all the money you spent on his worthless products heh heh.

  44. Legal Liability by crucini · · Score: 2

    RIAA has campaigned for a law to exempt them from legal liability for disrupting p2p networks. That implies that they recognize the illegality of these actions. It seems likely that they are already DOSing p2p without the legal authorization they want. Doesn't this ad provide evidence that Warner is conspiring to commit illegal acts?

  45. Actually, it pays money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which still doesn't make a lot of sense, but is certainly makes more sense than "It pay is money", whatever the fuck that means.

  46. Let's send in the slashdot resumes. by shadowlight1 · · Score: 1

    I say we send in Hemos or Cowboy Ray's resumes so we have a Warner operative on the inside!

  47. the berman bill and p2p tech by Erpo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The confusing thing is that I'm hard pressed to think about any
    attacks on P2P networks that:

    1) Is not already legal today (For example, filling the network with
    bogus Britney mp3s), or
    2) Impacts only illegal sharing of copyrighted material instead of
    killing the whole - or parts of the P2P network itself.


    The purpose of the bill is to create a safe harbour for 'content
    owners' that use technology to impair the sharing of copyrighted
    content on P2P networks.


    Given this, I think it is arguable that an effective way to stop the
    sharing of copyrighted content on p2p networks without imparing
    sharing of uncopyrighted works (or copyrighted by those who do not
    restrict the distribution of their works) is to delete the files
    containing copyrighted works from computers participating in the p2p
    network. Since the Berman bill gives them a (somewhat) blank check to
    break "hacking" laws in pursuit of this goal as long as they notify
    the gov't first, I think they will end up doing exactly that.
    However, I really should have been more specific in my first post. I
    should have said:

    Media companies have legal permission to crack into your computer and
    delete files that contain copyrighted content as long as they
    tell the gov't about it first.

    -------------

    What if the RIAAntiKazaa chaffing servent simply lies about the
    hash. You can't check that the hash is correct before you have
    downloaded the file anyway. Besides, with segmented downloading you
    only need to download one segment of a file from the chaff servent to
    destroy the file.

    If you do SHA (or similar secure hashes) on segments of the file, it
    would be possible to discard only the bad segments instead of the
    whole file.


    My knowledge of what's going on in p2p is limited to the gnutella
    network, but here's what's happening right now:

    Files are can be searched for by their SHA1 hashes and almost all
    major servents support this. Currently, the only thing that the ??AA
    could do to inhibit downloading (beyond what I noted in my first post
    re: bad files & user laziness) would be to find out the hash of a
    good file, and report that they have the file whenever they receive a
    search request for it. It a user downloads the entire file from them,
    the client program, upon completion of the download, will report an
    error since the hash that the file should have does not match the
    hash of the downloaded data. Not too serious - just some wasted
    downstream bandwidth on the part of the user. This kind of attack
    also costs the ??AA mega$ as they are the only source for the file:
    non-SHA1-aware clients won't be able to propagate the false hash
    reporting and SHA1-aware clients will dump the file as soon as it's
    done downloading. In other words, the only thing the ??AA has going
    for them right now is user laziness.

    Here's what's going to happen in the near future:

    The ??AA isn't faking hashes because they (probably) followed the
    same line of reasoning. However, faking hashes can cause other
    problems. Since SHA1 hashes hash all the data in the file to produce
    the output hash, even a small chunk of changed data in the file will
    affect whether or not the downloading servent thinks the download is
    "good". If the RIAA were to report that they had the "good" file
    corresponding to the "good" hash, but send "bad" data when the "good"
    file is requested, they could wreak havoc on servents that support
    multisource downloading. If a servent downloads even one byte from
    one of the ??AA's destructive interloper nodes, trying to download
    the file a bit faster by downloading from another source, the SHA1
    hash calculated after the download finishes would be incorrect,
    killing an otherwise successful download as you mentioned above.

    As luck would have it, P2P developers have been trying to enable
    partial file sharing (sharing available [downloaded] parts of
    unfinished downloads) for quite some time. It turns out that
    implementing this technology will render the above attack useless.

    Soon, servents will support "bitprint" hashes. A bitprint hash is a
    concatenation of the SHA1 hash of a file, and a hash obtained by
    using the tiger-tree method. The tiger tree method:
    1. Break the file up into equal size chunks. (say, 1MB)
    2. Hash each chunk.
    3. Concatenate adjacent chunks to make new chunks.
    4. Go to step 2.
    All of these hashes, done using the Tiger algorithm, form a tree
    where each node has two leaves - hence Tiger-Tree. The original idea
    was that servents could use this tree of hashes to ensure data
    integrity when downloading pieces of a file from multiple hosts.
    Since ??AA-trashed data will not hash to what it should, just like
    corrupted data, those blocks will be thrown out and re-downloaded
    until a good block is obtained from a non-??AA host.

    In other words, the ??AA won't be able to corrupt your downloads
    unless they out-bandwidth the rest of the p2p community. ;)

    There are still two (technical) issues threatening p2p and oddly
    enough I think they can both be solved by strong public key
    cryptography. The first is fake files - that is files containing
    garbage data from the ??AA and misnamed files. The problem,
    essentially, is that you don't know if the metadata reported about
    the file (title, resolution, length, etc...) is accurate. However,
    one of the things I've noticed about online file trading is that
    files that appear there, especially movies, are tagged with short
    prefixes identifying the ripping/encoding team. "[smr]", for
    instance, stands for "shadow movie realm". While rips of apps and
    games don't generally have these filename tags, they are generally
    distributed as archives containing, along with the program, an info
    file of some sort crediting the crackers. The common thread is that
    most content is introduced into the network by a small number of
    dedicated, talented "teams" that want credit for their work. To me,
    this seems like a perfect application of digital signatures. If, upon
    release of new content, the block of metadata describing that content
    (title, resolution, length, etc, and bitprint hash) were
    signed by the release team, then downloaders with the release team's
    public key could verify which rips are genuinely what they say they
    are, or more to the point, which hashes point to good files. Is it
    vulnerable to other people posing as the release team and signing
    data with their own keys? Sure, but over time one public key would
    develop more "cred" than all of the spoofs and since the release
    teams would only sign their own releases, that "best key" would be
    accepted as theirs. The best thing is, this whole process can be
    automated. Servents can even keep track of key validity (cred) by
    themselves simply by asking the user "Is this signed file what it
    says it is?" upon completion of a download.

    The second issue is eavesdropping and bandwidth throttling by ISPs
    (especially universities). This problem can easily be solved by
    recognising that an ISP can only safely throttle what it can
    identify. If all communications on p2p networks started with a raw
    exchange of public keys, the first (for example) 2048 bits of p2p
    connections would be different from client to client. For extreme
    undetectability, servents could generate new public/private key pairs
    for each new connection. All following bits would be encrypted and
    unavailable to the ISP. It would seem that this technique would be
    vulnerable to a man in the middle attack by the ISP; however,
    consider what it would take to execute that kind of attack. The ISP
    would have to modify the first (again, for example) 2048 bits of a
    connection that it knows nothing about because it just initialized.
    While this would gain them access to the unencrypted data stream of a
    p2p connection, it would horribly confuse any other software trying
    to communicate over the internet. In other words, they can only check
    for p2p communications by killing all non-p2p communications. Ports
    used for (at least gnutella) p2p are already random, btw.

    Anyway, those are my thoughts.

    1. Re:the berman bill and p2p tech by vegetablespork · · Score: 1

      Excellent post--thank you.

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    2. Re:the berman bill and p2p tech by LarsG · · Score: 2

      Since the Berman bill gives them a (somewhat) blank check to break "hacking" laws in pursuit of this goal as long as they notify the gov't first, I think they will end up doing exactly that.

      According to the Berman bill:

      "... a copyright owner shall not be liable in any criminal or civil action for disabling, interfering with, blocking, diverting, or otherwise impairing the unauthorized distribution, display, performance, or reproduction of his or her copyrighted work on a publicly accessible peer-to-peer file trading network, if such impairment does not, without authorization, alter, delete, or otherwise impair the integrity of any computer file or data residing on the computer of a file trader."

      It's a get out of jail free card for tampering with the network for stopping copyright infringement, but it does not cover tampering with files on your computer.

      It's not a "license to hack [your computer]".

      514(b)(1)(A) seems to rule out DoS attacks or any measures that have a serious effect on the sharing of non-copyrighted works on the P2P network.

      So.. I just don't understand why this law is necessary, since - if we are to believe Berman's claims that it is only intended as a narrow safe harbour for self-help - it seems like it only leaves forms of chaffing - which should already be legal.

      Anyway. If I put on my tinfoil hat, I would suspect a conspiracy between MS, Berman and *AA hiding in the expression "without authorization" combined with the latest EULA changes from MS regarding DRM/Media Player, giving MS the right to disable software on your computer.

      It a user downloads the entire file from them,
      the client program, upon completion of the download, will report an error since the hash that the file should have does not match the hash of the downloaded data. Not too serious - just some wasted
      downstream bandwidth on the part of the user. This kind of attack also costs the ??AA mega$ as they are the only source for the file:


      Simple chaffent:

      Collect a list of (filename, filesize, hash) we want to fake.
      Reply when someone is searching (both name search and hash search).
      Allow connect from clients and start serving bogus data.
      Disconnect the transmition after a little while.
      Add the client IP to a ~30min blacklist (maybe shared by all chaffents).
      Don't answer any reconnect requests from that IP as long as it is on the blacklist.

      For the user, this should look just like someone that was online for a while and then disconnected. The user will try to resume the download from other sources, but the file is already broken.

      In other words, the ??AA won't be able to corrupt your downloads
      unless they out-bandwidth the rest of the p2p community. ;)


      Or rather - out-search-request-answer if done as above.

      This obviously won't work once you start using segment hashes, though.

      The problem, essentially, is that you don't know if the metadata reported about the file (title, resolution, length, etc...) is accurate.

      [snip explanation]

      Sounds like a good approach for ensuring metadata integrity.

      Anyway, I get this image of FBI busting someone and discovering the private key of a notorius release group on his computer. This could actually make it easier to track down the really big copyright infringers. ;-D

      The second issue is eavesdropping and bandwidth throttling by ISPs

      Considering that P2P traffic is something like 80% of the total Internet traffic at the moment, ISPs wanting to do bandwidth throttling is not exactly surprising. :)

      In many situations you actually want to do bandwidth shaping in order to keep the network running smoothly. You don't want your P2P traffic to hog so much bandwith that the responsiveness of your interactive SSH sessions go south.

      If all communications on p2p networks started with a raw exchange of public keys, the first (for example) 2048 bits of p2p connections would be different from client to client.

      Smells like overkill to me, but anyway.

      Ports used for (at least gnutella) p2p are already random, btw.

      At least the initial connect is to a well-known port, no?

      If your ISP really wants to spend a lot of time and resources to track you, they could play man-in-the-middle from the initial connect with the gnutella network. Not that it would ever be worth the effort, but anyway.

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    3. Re:the berman bill and p2p tech by Erpo · · Score: 1

      According to the Berman bill: [politechbot.com]

      "... a copyright owner shall not be liable in any criminal or civil action for disabling, interfering with, blocking, diverting, or otherwise impairing the unauthorized distribution, display, performance, or reproduction of his or her copyrighted work on a publicly accessible peer-to-peer file trading network, if such impairment does not, without authorization, alter, delete, or otherwise impair the integrity of any computer file or data residing on the computer of a file trader."

      It's a get out of jail free card for tampering with the network for stopping copyright infringement, but it does not cover tampering with files on your computer.


      Oops, I goofed. I fell for the slash-hype and REposted it without REsearching. Thanks for pointing this out! :)

      It a user downloads the entire file from them,
      the client program, upon completion of the download, will report an error since the hash that the file should have does not match the hash of the downloaded data. Not too serious - just some wasted
      downstream bandwidth on the part of the user. This kind of attack also costs the ??AA mega$ as they are the only source for the file:

      Simple chaffent:

      Collect a list of (filename, filesize, hash) we want to fake.
      Reply when someone is searching (both name search and hash search).
      Allow connect from clients and start serving bogus data.
      Disconnect the transmition after a little while.
      Add the client IP to a ~30min blacklist (maybe shared by all chaffents).
      Don't answer any reconnect requests from that IP as long as it is on the blacklist.

      For the user, this should look just like someone that was online for a while and then disconnected. The user will try to resume the download from other sources, but the file is already broken.


      If the servent can't download from the ??AA junk server, the user will eventually become impatient with the download and try another source. Tiger-tree hashing (which I described lower down) provides the means for servents to intelligently and automatically cull garbage data from the download. When all of the data has been downloaded (the 30 minutes of garbage data + the rest of the legit file) and 5% of the file doesn't fit with the other 95%, the servent can just re-download that 5% from random servers until it gets one that fits. The only attack on this would be for the ??AA to feed data to the client faster than the rest of the p2p network, eventually filling 51% of the file with garbage. The servent would then fruitlessly seek the other 49% of the garbage file (the real data being the suspect minority) and would not complete the download. However, in order for the ??AA to execute this attack, they would have to serve up 51% of the bits on p2p networks - in other words, out-bandwidth the rest of the p2p community.

      In other words, the ??AA won't be able to corrupt your downloads
      unless they out-bandwidth the rest of the p2p community. ;)

      Or rather - out-search-request-answer if done as above.


      See above, although yes, query hit flooding is also a problem. ;)

      The problem, essentially, is that you don't know if the metadata reported about the file (title, resolution, length, etc...) is accurate.

      [snip explanation]

      Sounds like a good approach for ensuring metadata integrity.

      Anyway, I get this image of FBI busting someone and discovering the private key of a notorius release group on his computer. This could actually make it easier to track down the really big copyright infringers. ;-D


      Well, it could make it easier to _prosecute_ copyright infringers, except that private keys are encrypted using a symmetric cypher and a passphrase in the secret keyring . The longer, the better - long enough to stop FBI crackers and long enough to forget during questioning.

      Considering that P2P traffic is something like 80% of the total Internet traffic at the moment, ISPs wanting to do bandwidth throttling is not exactly surprising. :)

      In many situations you actually want to do bandwidth shaping in order to keep the network running smoothly. You don't want your P2P traffic to hog so much bandwith that the responsiveness of your interactive SSH sessions go south.


      I heartily agree. :) Maintaining network responsiveness is a high priority; however, it shouldn't be done by throttling the collective p2p bandwith usage for an entire campus to 64kbps. (Yes, I did read the link in the latest story and I know UCI is throtling to 10mbps. I'm thinking of a different campus.) Making p2p traffic undifferentiable from other traffic to automated throttling programs is one way to "persuading" ISPs and UCs to rethink their packet shaping device configurations and perhaps offer to simply de-prioritize p2p traffic rather than throttle it outright, in exchange for the use of servents that have identifiable traffic which can then be de-prioritized by automated methods.

      If all communications on p2p networks started with a raw exchange of public keys, the first (for example) 2048 bits of p2p connections would be different from client to client.

      Smells like overkill to me, but anyway.


      This kind of extreme undetectability might be necessary in some cases. Very few protocols other than the one I describe (in my limited estimation) have the first 2048 bits set to the same value for every outbound connection. A static per-client public key could be a dead giveaway for traffic shapers.

      Ports used for (at least gnutella) p2p are already random, btw.

      At least the initial connect is to a well-known port, no?


      No. Initial connects and file transfers now use random ports on the gnutella network as long as the user is running a client that supports it. Gnucleus, for example, does. (Yay open source!)

      If your ISP really wants to spend a lot of time and resources to track you, they could play man-in-the-middle from the initial connect with the gnutella network. Not that it would ever be worth the effort, but anyway.

      Read the very last paragraph I wrote in my original post. ISPs couldn't reliably execute MITM attacks without borking all non-p2p traffic. ISPs couldn't execute MITM attacks at all without borking a significant amount of non-p2p traffic.

    4. Re:the berman bill and p2p tech by LarsG · · Score: 2

      No. Initial connects and file transfers now use random ports on the gnutella network as long as the user is running a client that supports it. Gnucleus, for example, does. (Yay open source!)

      Read the very last paragraph I wrote in my original post. ISPs couldn't reliably execute MITM attacks without borking all non-p2p traffic.

      How does the gnutella client start to build a host cache without connecting to a well-known source? Or rather, how does it connect to this source without making it possible for the ISP to MITM.

      Sorry, I must be low on coffee. X-I It's actually very easy if you distribute a public key with the client.

      Anyway, I'd love an URL or two with more information about the future direction of gnutella.

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  48. Honestly this is a job I would consider doing... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Honestly this is a job I would consider doing.

    I will now pause for everyone to finish going rabidly insane.

    OK.

    Yes, there are one or two phrases in the job description that are, at least on the fact of them, objectionable to the Slashdot crowd.

    My personal concerns about this are whether this is a real CTO job, where there is a person who can set technology direction on behalf of the company, or whether you would be one CTO among dozens, and have no real power to implement changes at any fundamental level.

    Unless it's the real thing, it's likely not going to result in anything at all, and you can all stop your paranoid worries. And if it *is* the real thing, and they get someone competent (a big "if"), you can all stop your paranoid worries.

    Now look at the big picture: why is the music industry afraid of P2P and other online digitial distribution, when it's pretty clear that the primary use for these channels is for content that they would not usually consider distributing themselves?

    My answer to this question is that the eventual results of this technology, if it prospers, is going to be disintermediation of artists and consumers.

    There are a number to consequences to this which are -- believe it or not -- generally undesirable, and there are a number of *other* consequences to this which break their revenue models, and damage their ability to continue to do business.

    To paraphrase what I think they've realized, "you can't piss in the wind"; it's reasonable for the company to seek alternatives to protecting their revenue model -- and, as a side effect, protect the generally desirable things which come with that revenue model, such as the ability of individual bands to make enough money that they can *be* bands full time, and have a reasonable chance of paying the rent when they are 65 and no longer interesting to their former primary markets. Bands die out because they're old, or because they've lost their social relevence, or their superstar lead singer has died, or any of the dozens of fates which can befall a band. If you have to stay in school for that accounting degree "to fall back on", in the full expectation of "falling back", it *will* effect your ability to make music.

    At least Warner is looking out there, and noticing that things have in fact changed out from under them, and that they need to do something, other than just "business as usual".

    Actually, there are literally dozens of ways they could deal with these issues technologically; several of them even involve the record companies themselves setting up *real* P2P networks, which don't actually suck for their revenue models, like Napster or GNUtella (the first because of the central control given to a single company, the second because of lack of scalability -- neither because of real piracy concerns).

    It's amusing that they've emphasized "Agile development" (corporate code from a particular corporation for "Extreme Programming"). Most likely, they already have someone in mind, and the posting is to satisfy legal requirements.

    -- Terry

  49. Military by shuane · · Score: 1
    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?

    I'd say there'd be hundreds:

    • There must be a few hundred miliary positions that require "warfare"
    • There must be hundreds of positions supporting various military warfare activities
    • Many a games programmer must be required to design "realistic warfare"
    • Organised crime, if they have job descriptions, probably have many positions which have job descriptions that include "gang warfare"

    Mmmmm, organized crime - Homer J

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  50. Attention RIAA: How to stop P2P by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The music industry needs to come to the realization that they must beat P2P music swapping at it's own game. Until they open a site with *severely* degraded samples of their music for people to sample freely, with the option of buying a full copy at a *reasonable* price over the internet, their profits will continue to fall and no one will believe them when they plead ignorance and label P2P as the work of the devil.

    Even before P2P, I often wondered why they wouldn't at least publish lyrics on the web so that I could know which song to buy in the record store. Going to the store and singing a few lines of your favorite song to a zit-faced clerk is not the preferable way to buy music.

    Maybe whomever they hire for this position will tell them that they are waaaaay behind the times and that's why they're losing profits.

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  51. P2P DCMA Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should protect our P2P networks so that even is P2P vigilantism is legalized the vigilanties will still have to contend with the DCMA.

  52. Warefare by vsprintf · · Score: 1

    I think that P2P warefare IS an ideology.

    Hmm.. Got a copyright on "warefare"? If not, I claim it, as well as "warezfare" and any derivitive thereof. You seen it here - it's official.

    1. Re:Warefare by avante · · Score: 1

      It actually took me this long to realize I had mispelled "warfare". Thanks.

  53. The actual ad by Lord+Sauron · · Score: 4, Funny

    CTO
    Location: Inner Bunker, CA; New York, NY
    Position Type: Attack
    Position Duration: Full-Time 24/7

    Warner Music Group

    Job Description
    Warner Music Group seeks a heavy duty cyborg or mutant preferrably with stealth capabilities, and with desire to kill.

    We offer a competitive salary and full benefits package, including, but not limited to, 1 million rounds per month of the finest ATK small caliber ammunition (5.56mm, 7.62mm, .30 caliber, .50 caliber), 500.000 rounds of medium caliber ammunition (25mm) fully compatible with NATO weapons system, a set of the finest machine guns and a license to kill.

    Requirements:
    Must obey, specially directive 4, and be tolerant to baby food.

    Knowing ED-209 assembly is a plus. Also desirable is experience with flamethrowers and chainsaws.

    If you are interested in this position, please submit your resume, including number of manslaughters you're accused of being involved to: acmearmy@warnerbros.com, subject: CTO.

  54. They don't know what they want do they? by thumbtack · · Score: 2

    One section says:
    Tuned in to the market.... Challenges current way of thinking. Participates in new media forums.

    Another Says:
    Builds prototypes and evaluates alternatives for on-line music delivery, P2P warfare, copy protection, etc.

  55. P2P sells broadband, more profitable than CDs... by aquarian · · Score: 2

    Here's something to think about- very few people spend $500/year on CDs, but a lot of them spend that much on broadband ($45/mo x 12). P2P is one of the key drivers in the broadband market, whether or not TW and others want to admit it. They could probably make just as much money giving away music for free, if they'd concentrate on selling broadband to everyone.

  56. Better than wag the dog over a blowjob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much did the US have to pay to that Sudanese drug company that Slick Willie destroyed just to get the minds of the US public off his blowjobs and perjury?

  57. No, that Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Who signed DMCA?

    Who signed CTEA?

    Who's pushing CDTBPA?

  58. If Bush is dumb, whaddya call a dropout? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Like Al Gore?

    "Daddy, could you stop holding cattle auctions where you get paid but everyone forgets their cows and help me win a House seat on an anti-abortion platform?"

  59. Mod Parent Up by Wandering+Idiot · · Score: 0

    Read the entire thing- it's interesting.

  60. Warfare jobs by ShadyG · · Score: 1
    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?
    335
  61. Spam by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

    How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?

    Here's one that probably does.

  62. Re:P2P sells broadband, more profitable than CDs.. by G-funk · · Score: 2

    They could sell broadband, and create a nice big p2p system that only works for their customers... a nice way to make lots of cash methinks.

    --
    Send lawyers, guns, and money!
  63. Welcome to Jr. High Grammar... by benjamindees · · Score: 1
    It says "alternatives *for* on-line music delivery, P2P warfare, copy protection,", not "alternatives *to*".

    They want to do all of these things. They just want to research their options first.

    --
    "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
  64. "strategy" appears a shocking seven times... by benjamindees · · Score: 1
    Participates in business strategy definition and alignment of business strategy and IT strategy. Helps to define a business strategy and architecture.

    It looks like they need someone to come up with a "strategy" for their "war".

    --
    "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
  65. disintermediation by benjamindees · · Score: 1

    Just because the President makes up words, doesn't mean that you can. Although, judging by the job posting, it might help your chances.

    --
    "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
  66. Job description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ``How many job descriptions include the phrase "Warfare"?''

    Heh, heh. Probably not too many that don't also have the word ``camoflage'' in their dress code.

  67. Sounds almost too good to be true.... by j_kenpo · · Score: 1

    Considering my active boycott against all media companies and artists in support of the RIAA, this sounds almost too good to be true... I mean what better way to railroad such a blatent attempt to destroy our civil liberties than to bring down the supporters from the inside... Too bad the rest of society refuses to take a stand to prevent corporate entities from invading their privacy and bad customer service while hiding behind pieces of paper, but then hey, as long as the artists that Mtv tells them are cool support the RIAA, people are natually going to jump on the bandwagon...

  68. The xxAAs are using Gestapo tactics? by crovira · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're declaring intent to break, enter & pillage

    If somebody tried this in person, they'd get shot. Its called self-defense. This is a terrorist act using Gestapo tactics by a group which produces nothing and contributes nothing to society. If YOU tried this, you'd get shot at too.

    Now we're going to have to back-up all our data (we'll need to buy lots of CD & dvd burners. Bet they'll love that. And that won't disrupt P2P sites that they are alleging to go after.) Wrecking P2P hosts is not exactly neat and clean. There'll be collateral damage. Somebody's systems are going to get wrecked.

    The first time that someone loses corporate data on their servers due to an xxAA attack, the lawyers will have a field day. The activity may have been caused by an employee who was using extra bandwidth in a dubious manner but a company which get its data munged by the RIAA will send the RIAA the bill and about a dozen lawyers to collect their damages.

    This will DESTROY the xxAAs. Ripping MP3s might have cost some sales (and I really doubt that,) but this virtual Gestapo tactic will back fire in the worst possible way.

    Attacking your clientelle is totally stupid. Beyond stupid. Its suicidal. The xxAAs clients are in for a real shock. The backlast will hit them too.

    Imagine a two month stretch where NOBODY buys a CD or goes to a movie of any xxAA member. We all buy for non-members and fuck the membership.

    Anf their political friends will hang them absolutely out to dry the first time a government P2P server get reamed.

    The xxAAs will be legislated OUT of existence using cyber-terorist laws.

    --
    MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
  69. Shawn Fanning is currently between jobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm 40-60% serious. Who better to lead the labels safely past the twin perils of P2P and their own increasing irrelevance than the guy who invented one of the perils? Fanning has 10,000x the cred of the typical IT meatball who'd saunter into the job.

  70. FYI: I suggest you check Webster's Dictionary by tlambert · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's a word originating in 1967.

    It means, in this context, "removing the middleman". The original definition is "removal of the intermediary".

    -- Terry

    1. Re:FYI: I suggest you check Webster's Dictionary by benjamindees · · Score: 1

      I guess it's not as bad as antidisintermediation. I can actually picture my high-school Latin teacher cringing.

      --
      "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
  71. re:alternatives to hiring a college grad and shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I can coherently express what is needed for this position in a down-to-earth manner.

    "..Analyzes all industry wide technological developments and initiatives related to music and music distribution in an effort to help company sustain its competitive advantage in the music technology marketplace..."

    Read as: Get newsreader and check alt.business.stratagems and alt.business.veneer_of_legality every hour. Subscribe to the WSJ and rotate in bright interns to read and report on it daily.


    "...Alternatives to P2P warfare. I think they realise its just not cost-effective to have a bunch of people sitting around trying to hack everyone who's running KaZaa...."
    Right, so just run this patriotic honeypot on your home machine and snarf Ip's and usernames, reporting the offenders ip and kazaa handle to the EFF BEE EYE and get a pat on the back every day for nailing yet another worthless pirate->You're doing your part!!!
    #!/usr/bin/tclsh Kazaafakelistener v0.1 array set state { intf "interface_name" connects "0" addrlist "" data "" bufsz "0" sresponse "You just got fingered" lasthit "" logfile "/home/yourname/kazaatrap.log" } proc prsaddr {stuf} { foreach line [split $stuf "\n"] { if {[regexp ".*inet addr:(\[0-9\]+\.\[0-9\]+\.\[0-9\]+\.\[0-9\]+)" $line all address]} { return $address } } return "NULL" } proc gluestick {sock addr port} { global state fconfigure $sock -buffering full -buffersize 2002 -translation auto puts $sock "Fuck you and fuck p2p. I love WB and the RIAA." flush $sock set state(sock) $sock set state(connects) [incr state(connects)] set state(lasthit) $addr lappend state(addrlist) "$addr:$port" fileevent $sock readable do_record } proc do_record {} { global state fconfigure $state(sock) -buffering line -buffersize 2000 -translation auto while {![eof $state(sock)] && [gets $state(sock) line] > 0} { lappend state(data) $line } puts $state(sock) $state(sresponse) flush $state(sock) do_log_check parray state close $state(sock) } proc do_log_check {} { global state set len 0 foreach ev $state(data) { set len [expr {$len 1200} { if {![catch {set fd [open $state(logfile) a+]}]} { puts $fd $state(data) catch {flush $fd} set state(data) "" catch {close $fd} } } } return } set caddr [prsaddr [exec /sbin/ifconfig $state(intf)]] if {"$caddr" != "NULL"} { set shandle [socket -server gluestick -myaddr $caddr 1214] if {[string length $shandle]} { vwait forever } } > LAMENESS FILTER ENCOUNTERED

    "..Looks to me like they want someone to come up with realistic solutions and strategies that will work in the real world. Seems they want to 'Adapt or Die..'"

    With mad haxor skillz and personal hygeine nothing is impossible, Tim Robbins taught me that.
    So for all the AC's I'm posting this, my resume here..I'll work cheap and you can depend on me to do the thing right, and the right thing!!!
  72. Actually... by Kylow · · Score: 1

    Actually, it says someone who looks for "ALTERNATIVES to [...] p2p warfare".

  73. Shutting down napster was a mistake by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 2

    In retrospect, I think they will admit that shutting down Napster was a mistake. Napster was a client/server technology, but acted as a P2P application. Today's technology is distributed to a much larger extent, meaning that there is no guaranteed way of blocking or logging content.

    With Napster, they had a possible infrastructure for micropayments etc. They also had the possibility of quietly monitoring the activity. Now, they are much more in the dark.

    Then again, wisdom and compromise was never something the entertainment industry was very good at.

    --

    Stop the brainwash

  74. That bit about "P2P warfare" is very interesting by dcavanaugh · · Score: 2
    There is an unintended side-effect of this misguided quest for a kamikaze CTO: This is an admission that Warner is "at war" with it's customers, and is desperately seeking reinforcements. Does anyone want to invest in a company that is "at war" with its customer base???

    If it's all about profits, why didn't they negotiate [seriously] with Napster? If it's all about stock prices and CEO bonuses, why are they openly declaring war on their customers? If it's all about "war", why do they insist on playing a defensive game against P2P (instead of offering competitive non-crippled alteratives)? At frist glance, it looks like they are going on the offensive with the "legalized computer crime" intiative, but it's really a desperate defensive ploy! At first I thought the CTO advertisement was a joke, but after I thought about all the foolish choices the industry has made regarding technology, it all makes sense (in a warped sort of way.)

    None of the heavy hitters in the IT industry will want this losing battle on their resumes, so it's a "tier-2" opportunity at best. This is a classic example of an IT job to be avoided:
    1. The mission is a total loss from day one
    2. Unreasonable expectations to solve a non-technical problem with technology
    3. Inevitable reality will undermine the original mission (and the person in charge of it)

    I view it as the techie equivalent of being Saddam's "Chief of Air Defense". Whoever gets this job is going to be thoroughly outgunned by the "evil ones".

    Oddly enough, there is a way for someone to be successful in this job, but it involves more diplomacy and negotiation than technology. The problem to be solved is inside Warner, not outside.
  75. Stop the bullshit with Socialism and OS/Free soft. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Slashdotism often wants to take from the producers of society and give it to everyone else. That's socialism.

    In socialism the State is the owner of all the means of production.

    In "Slashdotism" individuals contribute from their own accord to a project and they, and anybody else, are welcome to profit from it in innovative ways as long as copyright is strictly respected.

    So stop the bullshit.

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  76. gnutella by Erpo · · Score: 1

    How does the gnutella client start to build a host cache without connecting to a well-known source? Or rather, how does it connect to this source without making it possible for the ISP to MITM.

    Some clients connect to a server operated by the client maintainer the first time they're installed. Others use a web-based host caching mechanism to get started. Some have regularly updated host cache files that come with the software. Once a client gets connected for the first time, it sends out a ping packet over gnet (not ICMP ping, gnet ping). Any hosts that need more entries in their host caches respond to the ping with a pong packet containing their IP address and listening port. From that point on, the host has (or can get) as many other ip:port pairs as it wants.

    Anyway, I'd love an URL or two with more information about the future direction of gnutella.

    Sadly, there's not a great deal of direction in terms of the future of the gnutella network; however, there are a couple of sites worth visiting. The Gnucleus home page has a forum component that's usually pretty lively. It's not exactly developers only, though, so expect to see a lot of posts from people who have "Great Ideas!" about what the developer should do next but don't know anything about programming or gnet. There's also the RFC-Gnutella project on sourceforge that aims to (obviously) produce an RFC on the gnutella protocol, or at least get it standardized to the point where all developers can agree on how servents should pass around data.

  77. socialism vs. welfare? by Damek · · Score: 1

    Once again, although I don't subscribe to Libertarian philosphy in all its "beauty", I have to defend them on this. Libertarians believe very strongly in social obligations -- through neighbor to neighbor obligations, not government to neighbor. The government forcibly taking from one person to give to another breeds resentment in the takee, and the faceless nature of it breeds dependency on the taker. Not to mention the extreme inefficiency. For these reasons, charity should be done voluntarily and locally.

    I know this is getting offtopic, but I just felt like responding because I'm leaning towards the Greens on a lot of issues, and yet I pretty much agree with this. I think the issue would be what should be considered "charity". For example, I agree that just taking money from some people and giving it to others doesn't make sense. But if you frame that within a context of a specific example, sometimes it makes perfect sense.

    For example, education is something that I think should remain a public institution - not a private business, and certainly not a charity. Society is made infinitely better by good education, and I believe any government has a responsibility to educate its future citizens. Furthermore, it only makes sense to me that education should be financed by taxes (everyone pays for it). What's more, I would argue that those who could benefit from it the most are most often those who can least afford to pay for it. Therefore, taxes for education should be weighted in favor of low-income citizens. In other words, the wealthy should be taxed more heavily, and the extra funds should go to education.

    It's not just welfare - low-income citizens still have to go through the effort of getting their kids to school or applying for school themselves, and education will always be work (studying is hard for a reason!). But there's no good reason to penalize them right out of their own education, making it harder to obtain the very thing that will help them earn enough to pay for it in the first place!

    Forgive the ramble, I agree with "neighbor to neighbor" obligations as a view of how society should function - I just think we need to rethink the very idea of government as the big "other" - it's run by our own neighbors - we elected them. And if it doesn't seem like that, then more social reform is needed to make the government truly of, by, and for the people (we and our neighbors). And I think the Greens are on to something with respect to how to do that.

    At the very least, I just wish we would instantiate Instant Runoff Voting as the standard election practice in the USA...

  78. Re:Stop the bullshit with Socialism and OS/Free so by Damek · · Score: 1

    In socialism the State is the owner of all the means of production.

    Not necessarily. As Dictionary.com says:

    "Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

    Socialism just requires that the means of production are owned collectively. Or as is oft stated, "the workers own the means of production" - as opposed to somebody else owning the means and dictating what the people actually doing the work should do, while reaping a good percentage off the top.

    What needs to happen is for most, if not all, businesses to be come cooperatives. No one else but me should own the products of my labor, and no one else but me and my coworkers should have a say in how we do our work. The workplace should be democratic, not totalitarian.

    The "free software" community is largely cooperative, sort of anyway. Distributions are not, although I think they should be. I would love to see a bunch of geeks get together and found an IT cooperative - it would be especially worthwhile in a major city like New York. They could be an ISP, or just provide programming services - or anything they want, really. The key would be that they pool their resources to do their own work, and elect their "leaders" from themselves.

    I think such an organization would be quite sustainable. Sure, it would grow like a bacteria like so many businesses seem to think is the most important thing, but it would provide a benefit to its community, and the people in it would live well enough.

  79. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    The New Testament offers the basis for modern computer coding theory,
    in the form of an affirmation of the binary number system.

    But let your communication be Yea, yea; nay, nay:
    for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
    -- Matthew 5:37

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