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Public-Domain Bookmobile Hits the Road
At Belle Haven Elementary School in Palo Alto, right about... *now*, the
Internet Archive Bookmobile
is starting its ten-day, cross-country trip to the Supreme Court. They're putting the hammer down
(itinerary)
(blog)
to make it to Ohio for the Bookmobile Conference.
Then they'll drive into Washington, D.C. on Oct. 8, the day before the nine Justices hear the
copyright-extension
case
Eldred v. Ashcroft.
The contraption is a Ford Aerostar with decals, satellite dish, wireless LAN, laptops... and a printer and binder to do on-demand printing of any of the thousands of public domain books on the internet. (The webpage says 20,000 but the decals claim 1,000,000... maybe they have 50 fonts :)
Update: 10/01 01:33 GMT by T : Nick Arnett writes "The piece about Belle Haven School's bookmobile put the school in Palo Alto. It's not; it's across the freeway, in a far less wealthy and privileged neighborhood, where access to technology is much less common than in Palo Alto. (I'm on the board of Plugged In, a community technology center in the same area as Belle Haven.)"
That this has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT. The entire point of the Supreme Court is that they are not swayed by public opinion. That's why, once appointed, the justices are in until they retire. Their only decision making process _should_ be the law.
That said, good for these guys. I am a huge fan of public, attention grabbing demonstrations, plus I like book mobiles.
hmmmm?
Let's run behind it and warchalk!
Brilliant...just brilliant!
It's good that a public domain bookmobile is available. Pretty soon we should start to see other public domain vehicles.
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
Then they'll drive into Washington, D.C. on Oct. 8
Good luck finding a parking space for the 21st century RIF (Reading Is Fundamental) van.
-nd
I somehow doubt that the justices will be impressed by printouts of ascii porn.
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I don't know about you, I but I wouldn't read a book on a computer screen.
Greenpeace will be sure to flip over their van.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
Courts should be, and are, swayed by logical opinions and arguments. That's why our legal system is a combative one.
/made avaliable despite no copyright.
An expression of demand for works in the public domain should be considered by the court, ESSPECIALLY if it's shown that they're kept in print
The argument for extended copyrights is basically "can't keep them in print if not copywritten," which means that they're largely unavaliable to casual consumers.
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4. let them pass laws that guarantee you profit.
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You have not paid attention to the recent rulings on the federal death penalty. These opinions were explicitly influenced by public opinion.
Stop corporate
I betcha Scientology has been pushing for this. It's only because they, bizarrely, claim copyright on their "biblical texts" that they're able to sue protesters for copyright infringement. The works should have started going public domain in ~2023, but now it looks like it'll be ~2043. Very disappointing.
From what I've heard, this will be the future of *all* printing. With the exception of perennial winners like Stephen King, authors will now have their works digitized. Then people interested in reading their books will go to a printing center where an exact copy of that book can be printed.
The benefits, of course, is that the number of copies printed matches exactly the number of copies purchased. The downside is that many people use hands-on browsing to find books they want, which won't be possible when the books are in digital format.
In regards to this specific campaign, I think that it's hopeful that the Supreme court is making a decision here, because I think they tend to be pretty good about decisions in these areas. It's pretty clear from a legal standpoint what the decision should be. The primary purpose of the constitution is to protect our constitutional rights. This law restricts our rights and extends copyright protections to far beyond what their original limitations were. I *don't* think that the bookmobile will have much effect on the Court, but hopefully it will make some of our citizens more aware of just how many new ways corporations are seeking to screw us.
So, here's hoping. *crosses fingers*
Karma: Chevy Kavalierma.
Nimda and Code Red==Virtual book-burning?
and I hope that it helps, maybe not so much with the court, but with public opinion and knowledge about what's been happening to copywrite laws over the last 40 years and what's been taken away from the public domain in the process.
I also hope they post more information about the trip as they go- it looks like their coming right through chicago and I'd love to see it if they stop here.
Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
I think the whole concept of a mobile bookmobile downloading e-books by satellite is cute, but... couldn't they just show the kids how to download the e-books from home? Or, since the books are mostly public-domain classics, why not provide the kids with some of the millions of second-hand paper editions in circulation? It's not as sexy a solution, but at least the kids won't strain their young eyeballs squinting at a screen, or waste trees by printing them out.
I wonder if missing books will carry the disclaimer that they were "removed by the author" if the author was not approved by the Church of Scientology?
Oh yeah, like the burying of Surgeon's mistakes, missing books *need* no disclaimers.
Hurray for the Internet Archives.
Now for a public service electronic archive with *real* guts:
http://www.xenu.net/
The entire point of the Supreme Court is that they are not swayed by public opinion.
The Supreme Court isn't the only target of these demonstrations. The U.S. Congress is located in the same town. The entire point of Congress, as implied in the Constitution, is that it is swayed by public opinion.
Will I retire or break 10K?
A "Flamin' Ford" Aerostar loaded to the hilt with a satellite dish, wireless LAN, laptops, printers, various other electronics, and thousands of sheets of paper. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Let's hope it makes it to Washington in one piece...
but I wouldn't read a book on a computer screen.
How many pages of Slashdot have you read? Let's see... 291 comments... how many pages does it take to produce enough articles to draw 291 comments from the average /. user?
I hope it brings attention to the issue. This is a really important case, regardless of who wins, because the Supreme Court is going to be setting a huge precedent as to how much power the Congress has in passing copyright laws. Even if they don't strike down the law they're almost certainly going to condemn the Appeals Court for saying that the First Amendment does not apply, and they are going to decide whether or not Congress is allowed to pass Copyright law which does not promote the progress of science and useful arts.
I think we're going to have a split decision, or else we're going to see the law struck down, and I highly doubt public opinion is going to be a factor at all. But people need to be educated on the issues. Even many if not most Slashdotters don't realize that copyright is not a moral right, but is one which granted solely for the purpose of encouraging progress. This Supreme Court ruling should help to show that fact.
She's a librarian, and is looking forward to it.
Don't sweat the petty things. But do pet the sweaty things.
they're never going to make it to Ohio!
What article did you read? I thought they were going to Washington...
Dateline Washington: Bookmobile crew arrested for wardriving.
"We're amazed that they thought they'd get away with it; that dish isn't exactly low-profile", said police spokesman Lt. Clueless.
"The occupants of the vehicle have been arrested and detained for possible terrorist acts. We believe they were attempting to download and print, on the spot, confidential government files."
Sources said the lack of confidential documents was not considered in the decison to make the arrest. "What else could they possibly be doing with that kind of equipment? They were clearly up to no good."
In response, the Homeland Security Department upgraded the national alert status to light pink. A White House spokesman denied rumors that the president's wardrobe selection was crossed with security documents. "He just thought he'd give orange a shot. What's wrong with orange for a tie? Besides, the president has been dressing himself for years, he doesn't need a wardrobe list."
Tom Ridge(winner of the annual "Who exactly is he anyway and how did he get to be where he is?" award, could not be reached for comment as he was busy looking severe, concerned, and important while personally inspecting a donut factory to make sure the nation's donut supply would not be in danger in case of a biological attack.
I am in complete diagreement with everyone here on this issue, I believe. The copyright owners of these works are the writers, who are famously poor (a few exceptions aside). Believe me, as a writer, we are poor. Taking away copyrights from writers will not steal money from "big corporations," who make their money off distribution. Neither do I hope that the future demands digitized books, wherin writers will never make any money ever. I am not sure why all of you are in favor of this. In short, writers are in a very different situation from engineers. Their work is not "information", but art. The copyrights are in their hands, not the publishers. No one else would have "figured out" that particular novel. Just because both code and novels contain words do not make them the same.
it's a shame they won't be giving away public domain software that wasn't originally released in the public domain... I mean, I can see books having really long copyrights, because people can enjoy those for a long time, but software? If Windows 3.1 was being enjoyed by any substantial number of people, Microsoft would still support it, but they don't. Why on earth should people not be able to use this legally, without paying for it, for the next 120 years!? I don't really care if Mickey Mouse is public domain, or not, but for the love of god, why the heck isn't Windows 3.1 public domain!?
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As a product of Palo Alto public education, just thought I should point out that this school is not in Palo Alto. The itinerary says it is East Palo Alto and the map shows Menlo Park. It may seem nit-picky, but aside from name and geography, there is nothing similar about Palo Alto and EPA, they are in two different counties for crimminy sakes. EPA was the murder capitol of the country in terms or per capita murders not too long ago, and even gave out free life insurance to their students. Palo Alto on the other hand is a city where the houses average close to a million dollars and the pretention in the air is thick enough to bottle and sell.
If you click on that image, you get a close up. At that level, you can see the word "soon" in parentheses.
Also, if look to their menu at the top of the page, and follow the Million Book Project link, they mention how they're hoping to achieve one million books (mua ha ha) by 2005.
Grandparent meant "Washington? They won't even make it to Ohio!"
Copyright currently lasts longer than the life of the author. A lot longer. If we shorten it to only the life of the author, how much harm will that do?
How about an eBook Reader?
Yes, but I'll spend 20 minutes on slashdot, go do something else (for example, play my cello (as I just did), go to class, do homework, etc.) and come back later. When I read a book I sit down for a couple hours and read straight through. I've yet to see a computer monitor I can read from for that length of time without a good amount of breaks. The closest I've seen are good LCDs.
Leave Palo Alto today and arrive in Columbus on Friday, including stops at "retirement and mobile homes"?
Glad I'm not driving.
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Away from my children?
Bitch, I wrote it. It's mine. I sold it to you.
You can wipe your ass with it, but if you start xeroxing it or handing it out on Usenet, I'm going to track you down and sic the Lawyers Of Doom on ya.
He, he, he.
Come on, that's not flamebait, its humor. If my points hadn't just expired I'd mod +1 Funny. Anyone?
Don't blame me, I get all my opinions from my Ouija board.
Good point.
While still offering the printed version, couldn't they also put in a cheap CD writer and burn CDs with books of your choice?
Everytime they stop they could run to a Staples for a few stacks of cheap CD-R's. Probably less expensive than paper.
...
Will be the FBI tail who will interview the librarians at every stop and obtain full records of what everyone read.
Perhaps the Supreme Court should look at that as well...
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Will the Internet Archive Bookmobile, from the same folks that bring us the Wayback Machine, contain materials critical of Scientology?
Have they realized yet that they could respond to the Scientology barratry as gracefully and fairly as Google did?
I hope their stance has changed, and I simply haven't heard about it. I have become so disappointed in the Internet Archive, and the people associated with it who claim to be motivated by a dedication to intellectual freedom.
I hope they watch out... Given their recent problems with Scientology, they should stay away from $cientology's "Gold Base" in Hemet, California. People have a tendency to die in and around it.
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First of all, I'm a writer. Secondly, I like to eat (my reason for ongoing membership in the Great International Tech Writer Conspiracy). Thirdly, I approve of limited term copyright in certain circumstances. (There are a lot of instances where copyright comes in handy; there are also a lot where copyright is just no damn good, but that's another story.)
However, I don't think that I, my heirs and/or assigns, and/or my legal-entity estate, and/or the corporation which bought up my catalogue before or after my demise (particularly this latter) should be able to profit from my works forever, or even for three quarters of a century after I'm dead. There's no reason for it.
There are a lot of good reasons against it, though. First of all, it isn't exactly fair for other people (and/or corporations) to get fat off my legacy (let them make their own art instead of just collecting royalty cheques on my work in perpetuity). Secondly, a lot of art (books, movies, short stories, etc.) is getting "lost" in ever-extending copyright boondoggles. Many early films are decaying in their canisters, unshown and unrestored, because the copyright holder is long dead, but the work hasn't passed into the public domain. Same with thousands and thousands of what would be "mid-list" books written since 1910. Thirdly, the commonweal (that is, society at large) deserves (and, at least in the US, is Constitutionally assigned) the right to use my artistic work (after a set period) to enrich itself, which I support.
I won't need those hypothetical royalties, anyway. I'll be dead. Next question for the lawyerly types out there: Upon her demise, is it possible for an author to will her works into the public domain?
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
...a Mosix cluster of these?
hey this is the kind of thing that needs to be done more. Show that people want it there is a use and that copyrights are becoming terrible. Copyright costs are going up so it will be even harder and more expensive for a citizen to copyright and idea soon only corporations will be able to afford it. And maybe univesities which are also accostum to stealing copyrights.
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However, I don't think that I, my heirs and/or assigns, and/or my legal-entity estate, and/or the corporation which bought up my catalogue before or after my demise (particularly this latter) should be able to profit from my works forever, or even for three quarters of a century after I'm dead. There's no reason for it.
As you mentioned, it's probably possible to assign copyright to the public domain (or the book-equivalent of the FSF; if it exists), instead of one of the aforementioned parties. People do it with other IP all the time (software).
BUT, if you DO want to sell your catalogue (to eat), but don't want said party to retain copyright "forever", couldn't you just grant/sell them a license, with a specific sunset date, after which, it would revert to the "authority" denoted my my first paragraph?
I, for one, probably won't give 2 shakes what happens to my intellectual property when I'm gone. Mostly 'cause I'd be dead.
S
There are two big problems with this. I don't curl up in bed with my laptop to read something and I have yet to see a a bookreader device thats as easy on the eyes as a well typeset book. The other problem is that CD-Rs are more perishable that books and for several reasons. They won't give us a CDR unless it is encrusted with DRM. Hard drive crash? No license for you; buy the book again. Format change? No license for you. Microsoft exercises their infamous EULA terms? No license for you. If that wasn't bad enough, the physical lifetime of CDRs is bad as well. They don't seem to age as well pressed CDRs and there are doubts about those as well. Backup copy? DRM! Forget it
Yeah there's ways around it if you don't mind risking pound-me-in-the-butt federal prison but employing them for an entire library would be tedious. If I did buy a DRMed book, I'd probably look for a crack for all the same reasons we do it to games we have paid for. At the end of the day, DRM will be a PITA even for those who think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
If someone fairly reasonable like Piers Anthony is gung ho for it then other authors will be well. Just check his newsletter. An email exchange pretty demonstrated to me that he thinks this stuff will Get Him Paid and nevermind the negative consequences.
Screw CDRs. I'll take the printed book thank you very much.
We're dancing around the real issue, here. It's far bigger than how long Disney gets to keep exclusive rights to Mickey Moust. Unfortunately far worse damage is being done than merely overextending Mickey's copyright.
If retroactive copyright extension is upheld, then the public domain is essentially dead. At the very least, the last public domain music/literature ends up coming from early in the 20th century.
If retroactove copyright is upheld, does anyone believe that some Senator won't be for-hire next time Steamboat Willie is about to expire, and again and again after that.
At the moment, I don't give a %^&* about Mickey Mouse, nor of any of the $%^& Jack Valenti wants to protect "for Eternity minus one day." It's all the other stuff that gets dragged along with it. Essentially the cultural "abandonware" that sometimes becomes important much later. In the name of Mickey Mouse, we've prevented EVERYTHING from lapsing into the public domain.
It stinks, and I'd like to see retroactive extension reversed. Even better, I'd like to see terms more "limited". Even though Jefferson himself did sign extensions, I don't believe he envisioned going beyond "threescore and ten". After all, that's Eternity, to me.
If we can't have reversal or rollback, I'd prefer to require copyrights to need renewal. Abandonware (be it music, print, movie, or software) simply should fall into the public domain.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
This is pretty much off topic, but when I was about 10 years old, my Grandmother started a library in her home.... every 6 weeks or so, the Bookmobile (in this case, a green van from the Warioto Regional Library System) would come by her house and swap out some of the books she had. I don't know exactly when and where that system started, but it's primary goal was to start and support libraries in isolated rural communities, where a large public library was not available. When my Grandmother was young, some country stores would have a few shelves of books from the Bookmobile and you'd find them in other places.
She gave it up after nearly 20 years when she got married (again) and moved to another part of the county. At the peak, she had over 3,000 books available and several regular and casual readers. I think that library was the single most important part of my childhood education- I learned a lot more from those books than I did in school... I still remember how excited I was when I heard that the Bookmobile was coming. lol.
Ah.... childhood memories.
Well, if you're cranky, like I am, you might not want to sell your catalogue (lease, rent out, first North American Reprint Rights, but not sell outright!), so willing the entire body of work into the public domain seems to me to be an equitable solution for everyone.
Certainly would eliminate the need for (and the effect of) Boswells...
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
The problem is with publishers who have standard contracts for this sort of thing, and are not interested in what the author wants. I gather from things I've read that industry standard contracts are more of a problem for recording artists, but it wouldn't surprise me if the same is true for print publishing. Note what happened when the courts decided that publishers needed to separately by the on-line rights to a work, they just added this right to the standard contract. I doubt that any writers got any bigger cut from this change.
It's pretty hard for the individual artist or writer to stand their ground in the face of this. The only way is to organize, and either collectively bargan for appropriate rights, or only work with publishers who give favorable terms. Many artists and writers need to wake up to the fact that they are the talent, and the publishers would have nothing without them.
The tree blocked part of the side of the van, it actually reads: "Public Domain Book BURNING Mobible." Guess I shouldn't have recommended anything by Jane Austen.
The technology used to print books on demand is going suck for a few generations. Forget about cool hardcover books with nice illustrations. Futhermore, how long am I going to have to wait for my copy to be xeroxed/mimeographed by the grandma at WaldenBooks anyways ? When is the grandma at Waldenbooks ever gonna learn how to run the Acme Book Machine anyways ?? Real publishers have this stuff down. They have been doing it for a long time. I don't want some scrappy tech head to print my book on his pre beta box with a bubble jet. Thats why I go to a book store and buy a real friggin book with glossy pages and nice pictures. If I wanted a purple mimeograph printed diagonally across the page I would go buy some computer hardware. Books are good technology that I use every day. Please don't fuck them up. Thank You.
Maybe the poster is in greenpeace...riding around in a piece of shit, crazy oil-leaking boat, looking for whalers.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
And that reason is so that when they expire, new authors and artists can expound upon existing works to create new works. In this way, artistic creation is greatly influenced by past works with no royalties to pay.
When things pass into the public domain they create a legacy of creation that will lead to more creation. When nothing passes into the public domain, where will new artists and authors get their inspiration? Thin air?
i can't see that it will have any effect on the opinions of joe sixpack unless it's on cnn.
Large print giveth, and the small print taketh away
Another thing is that you don't want people bumping off authors so that they can have access to their work. I mean... if the work passes into the public domain upon the death of the author...
I didn't even have to read the article:
...
>They're putting the hammer down (itinerary) (blog) to make it to Ohio for the Bookmobile Conference. Then they'll drive into Washington, D.C.
Thanks for coming out!
It would also help to put all of these books in one place, on line.
Or is it already out there?
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
I'd have to see them, but I doubt it. LCDs are easier to read from for long periods of time than CRTs, but they still don't rival actual printed material. Unless it comes off of my old printer (HP 550C)
Hey, that sounds like the a great plot for a novel... Oh, wait. Nevermind.
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Didn't your mother ever tell you not to download books while the car was in motion?
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Where's the prize? It's just a big empty hole.
I actually have one of the old Gemstar eBooks (back when they were Rocket Ebooks)... they read very well, unless you're in sunlight (and thats only because you have to deal with your reflection and glare)... the backlight on those things is awesome though.
Its a shame they don't make books for them that much anymore.
Belle Haven School is not in Palo Alto; it is in a nearby community that barely resembles the wealth and privilege of Palo Alto. It's on the other side of the freeway, from Palo Alto, in a different county. Most of the students are from East Palo Alto and the Belle Haven area of Menlo Park, both on the other side of the freeway. (I'm on the board of directors of Plugged In, which is a community technology center, born in Belle Haven, now in East Palo Alto.
One way to tax copyrights and patents is to let the rights holder each year set a current value at which they would allow anyone (any individual, business, or government) to pay directly to them them after which they are legally bound to put the work in the public domain -- then they pay some fraction (3 - 5%) of this amount annually as an intellectual property tax, apart from other taxes like income tax. To keep Windows 3.1 out of the public domain, Microsoft would have to set a self assessed value balancing a desire to keep the work out of the PD by risking someone will pay them the requested amount, and yet still wanting to minimize annual taxes. If Microsoft values Windows 3.1 at $100, someone would likely pay them that to PD it. If they value it at $100 billion, then they have to write a check annually for $3 billion in "intellectual property" taxes (or whatever the tax rate is -- might be higher for patents, lower for copyrights). Taxing so called "intellectual property" is a free market approach to force rights holders to stop squatting on works. Note that fees are now paid when copyrights and patents are renewed or registered, but those should not be seen as taxes, just processing fees, same as you pay to register a real estate deed transfer, but still need to pay annual property taxes. Note that this self assessed value might not be the same as what they might sell the copyright or patent for to someone else who wished to keep it proprietary and keep paying taxes on it. Also, the rights holder could change the self assessed value annually up or down as the market changed (so in 1995, Windows 3.1 might have been valued at $100 billion but in 2002 it might only be $1 billion).
The benefits of this approach are more tax revenues for the government, a clear way to lookup if a work is still in copyright and who the owner is (just check the tax records, say by a Google search on a Library of Congress archive of all currently taxable works, with a legal requirement to submit a copy), and likely a sudden increase in PD materials for all artists to draw on. Basically, since rights holder lobbying has broken the bargain of finite time monopoly for future public domain use, this IP tax approach remakes this bargain.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
I've said it many times... reading black text on a white background is like reading the label on a flourscent bulb.
First of all, changing your colorscheme will make reading for long periods much more bearable.... Black background with white text is the best option.
The second option is to get monitor manufacturer to make a monitor with non-backlit materials. A good example is the black & white LCD screens on handhelds. It would cost less, cause less eye strain, and save loads of paper, as suddenly, people don't mind reading electronic coppies of documents. Why it hasn't been done, I don't know.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
There is no mechanism that means that print-on-demand will be lower quality than a traditional print run. In fact, doing so would ensure the thing to failure.
There's nothing in the manufacuring process that cannot be done on a small scale. From what I've seen in print runs, it's not uncommon for professional bookbinding to be done one at a time by a binding machine--perhaps in rapid succession, but still one-at-a-time.
Plus, there's the simple fact that shoddy book covers are caused by poor materials, not sloppy application of said materials.
Heck, considering that there'd be total Quality Checking right at the "printer," quality would improve if anything. And
The problem is with publishers who have standard contracts for this sort of thing, and are not interested in what the author wants.
Writers may sell serial rights, reprint rights, or first-refusal rights (usually piecemeal or by the whole as specified in the standard contract), but most publishing venues do not and have not bought copyrights for 50 years or so. (Note to writers: Never, ever sell your copyright, unless you really want someone to 0wN you forever -- especially since you can sell reprint rights until the cows come home, if your work is bankable enough. I seem to remember Stephen King telling an anecdote about a story which netted him some hundreds of dollars initially eventually bringing in some tens of thousands due to reprints etc.)
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
It makes me wonder about what I have heard about standard contracts in the recording industry. The description of multi-record contracts implies that the record companies are buying rights to future works as well, and if it were only something like a first-refusal right, the artist would be able to sell recordings if the company did not want to release it. Is it because they are often involved in the production process as well?
I also remember reading that movie producers won't go ahead without clear copyright to the screenplay. In this case, at least they are typically investing a lot of their own resources in the production process. With a record, all they are providing is finance and recording facilities (maybe), and the only other creative input is the recording engineers who are probably just on salary and not entitled to any of the royalties (or is this wrong?).
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