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SANS/FBI Release Top 20 Security Vulnerabilities

theBraindonor writes "SANS Institute and the FBI have compiled a listing of the The Twenty Most Critical Internet Security Vulnerabilities. The list is broken down into two groups: Windows Systems and Unix Systems." The list of Unix vulnerabilities is also a list of the network programs I (and presumably many others) use most. It's a good thing there's BugTraq.

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  1. The number one vulnerability for Windows boxen is: by The+Pi-Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    IIS!!

    Not any particular 'sploit, but on the page, IIS is THE NUMBER ONE vulnerability for Windows boxen.

    Like Mr. Valentine said, "[Microsoft's] products are not engineered for security". Or something like that.

    --j

  2. #8 = Internet Explorer. by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    #8 is listed here.

    If you are using IE, your computer is vunerable to numerous security breaches.

    If this is installed on EVERY Windows computer by default, I believe that this should be rated higher than those vunerabilities in applications that are only installed by default on SOME Windows versions (IIS).

    1. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by jasonditz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I'm trying to secure a Wintel box the first thing I do is install a firewall program and tell it not to allow IE to do ANYTHING. Then install Mozilla or something similar. Not perfect, but at least the lizard has a verifiable codebase.

    2. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by Zathrus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you are using IE, your computer is vunerable to numerous security breaches

      Yes. If you're not downloading security updates.

      But the same is true for everything else on the list. Conversely, if you are constantly keeping up to date on security patches then you are considerably less vulnerable.

      I believe the point you were trying to make is that it's the only client program on the list - all the others are servers. And I'm honestly surprised that neither Outlook nor Outlook Express made the list - they're considerably more problematic with regards to security IMO (but I'm not a "professional" in this context).

      As to why it's not #1 - well, first there's a lot fewer vulnerabilities listed. Additionally the extent of the vulnerabilities are not as large. Relatively few virii/trojans/etc. spread via IE, while there are still IIS servers out there spamming the world with Code Red. Secondly, as a client program it is somewhat more secure than a server by design. I could be running a totally unpatched client that's vulnerable six ways to Sunday, but if I don't surf to your site (or open a local infected file with the client) then I can't be infected. Servers, however, are vulnerable if they're running - I don't have to invite you to break into my system, I left the door open with a lovely "Open House" sign up.

    3. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by flacco · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yes. If you're not downloading security updates.

      ...which, lately, have come with unacceptable EULA terms and mandatory downloads of other software.

      Software vendors should be required to supply security patches in isolation, and WITHOUT ANY additional licensing requirements.

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    4. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by Fjord · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Outlook and IE have different problems, in my mind. Outlook is bad because the attack can be pushed directly to you, but, for the most part, you can prevent the attack through configuration of the server to not pass on attachments with certain extentions or even mostly procedurally by not opening such attachement (though, IIRC, one bug didn't require you to make that mistake). With IE, an attack is harder: you have to control part of the network that the person you want to attack voluntarily goes to, but there is little you can do from a system or procedural perspective beyond keeping up with patches.

      One thing to note is that keeping up with patches is not enough for securely using IE. Microsoft has had a bad track record for not providing a proper patch until the bug is fully exposed, so there are constantly windows where you are vulnerable. For example, there is presently a bug in the certificate software that allows a man-in-the-middle attack on an SSL connection, making the authentication useless (you are just as vulnerable to an attack with or without it). Because of this I wouldn't online bank with it.

      Yet dispite this, Outlook has had a worse track record for security attacks in the wild. Many outlook vectored viruses have done things such as emailing random documents from your disk. It wouldn't take much to take these viruses and modify them to find and send Money or Quicken files to a foreign email address.

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    5. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by lazlo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, look also at W5 - anonymous logon null sessions. And, while we're at it, weak LM hashing (W6).

      By default, every windows box has both available. I haven't tried it lately, but there have been times when uninstalling SMB from a windows box has been far more difficult than uninstalling IE. Furthermore, for the most part, IE needs to be used in order to compromise your system. Don't use it, and you're (somewhat) more safe. (Of course, there are a lot of MS applications that will happily use it for you, so you're still screwed...)

      But, if you install NT, 2K, or XP, you've got null sessions available as soon as you boot the box, before you even touch the keyboard.

      Reference SMBDie - QED.

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    6. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by Dudio · · Score: 3, Informative

      I could be running a totally unpatched client that's vulnerable six ways to Sunday, but if I don't surf to your site (or open a local infected file with the client) then I can't be infected.

      True, but keep in mind that since Outlook/Outlook Express use IE to render HTML content, email is an attack vector for a lot of IE vulnerabilities. For example, check out the Technical Details sections of these two security bulletins. This is pretty significant, as "open[ing] a local infected file" becomes very easy for the average user to do without realizing it.

    7. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by tqbf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You say "if I don't surf to your site... then I can't be infected". It almost sounds like you believe you have some control over whether your browser will hit his evil web page. Could it be that you actually think that both Internet routing and the DNS are hard to subvert?

      Clientside security is still a joke. Clients get attention in the places where they "asynchronously" give up control to foreign command, like embedded scripts in email and virtual machines for things like Java. But the overwhelming majority of client code was designed assuming that it interacts in good faith with the rest of the world.

      The flood of server-side vulnerabilities will slow. Desktop environments will get more and more homogenous. The payoff for writing a single exploit will grow. You should expect not only to see more client-targetting attacks, but also more attacks leveraging the ancient and festering weaknesses in global Internet routing and in DNS.

      Consider that today, Internet routing is being subverted with some regularity to play pranks on IRC and to hijack address space for spamming. These are high-risk, low-reward enterprises. It's only a matter of time before smarter people figure out how to use the same tricks to more productive ends.

    8. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by rabidcow · · Score: 2

      If you are using IE, your computer is vunerable to numerous security breaches

      Yes. If you're not downloading security updates.


      "2 October 2002: There are currently 20 unpatched vulnerabilities." - tho it looks like that's counting a few that are patched in 6 but not 5.5, which is rather strange. I mean why would you keep 5.5 if you're patching everything?

    9. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      Microsoft has had a bad track record for not providing a proper patch until the bug is fully exposed

      Very much agreed. Of course, if people would just stop disclosing vulnerabilities then it wouldn't be a problem. Right?

      Yes, that was heavy sarcasm.

      For example, there is presently a bug in the certificate software that allows a man-in-the-middle attack on an SSL connection

      Been fixed, allegedly, under all supported browsers and OS's. I saw the patch for my system last time I did an update (and I'm doing another one tonight). And I'm pretty sure my system is near the bottom tier for support at this point.

      there is little you can do from a system or procedural perspective beyond keeping up with patches

      That's true for all systems on all OS's. Or is Slapper just a figment of the Internet's imagination?

      Not even gonna touch Outlook. I use it at work under duress, and refuse to at home. Oh, and there's a new virus out there that's doing pretty much what you suggest - it's gathering private information (including keystrokes) and emailing the data back to some email address. It's using vulnerabilities that have been patched for over a year now, but, surprise, not everyone has updated.

    10. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by Fjord · · Score: 2


      >there is little you can do from a system or procedural perspective beyond keeping up with patches

      That's true for all systems on all OS's. Or is Slapper just a figment of the Internet's imagination?


      My comments were related to your discussion of how IE was the only client software on the list, and your surprise that Outlook didn't make the list. My comments followed a discussion of a configuration solution and procedural solution to the problem of Outlook viruses. I don't see why you would ask me if that statement is true for all systems on all OSes since I already provided a counter example. I don't see the relevance of Slapper, as, AFAIU, it infects server software.

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    11. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. by joto · · Score: 2
      Not perfect, but at least the lizard has a verifiable codebase.

      Not in the sense people who talk about verifying means. Mozilla would probably take at least 1k man years to verify. If you don't understand what I mean, take a look at e.g. this, which should give you an idea of what verifyable programming means.

  3. Lather, rinse, repeat by devphil · · Score: 4, Informative
    Two years ago, the SANS Institute and the National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC) released a document summarizing the Ten Most Critical Internet Security Vulnerabilities. Thousands of organizations used that list, and the expanded Top Twenty, which followed a year later, to prioritize their efforts so they could close the most dangerous holes first.

    And if memory serves, the Unix list is exactly the same, with perhaps the exception of Apache. The r* services, sendmail, yep, all still there. Who in their right mind uses r* and sendmail on anything connected to the public internet?

    Anyone correct me on whether the others have changed? They all look familiar to me.

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    1. Re:Lather, rinse, repeat by dpilot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe that's good, that they have to fish all the way to the r* services to flesh out a top-10 list.

      OTOH, I wonder if next year Lindows will be on the list, with our favorite practice of running users as root.

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    2. Re:Lather, rinse, repeat by sporty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who in their right mind uses r* and sendmail on anything connected to the public internet?

      Actually, as the article pointed out, sendmail hasn't had any serious problems in the past 2 years. Quite frankly, it's quite powerful and its default install is kinda simple to use except (except!) for that stupid map command to build virtual users, access tables and the likes.

      It's not the end of the world if you use it, just like it's not the end of the world if you use proftpd.

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    3. Re:Lather, rinse, repeat by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sendmail is still widely used in production mail systems, and over the last few years, its security reputation has improved considerably. I'm personally a qmail guy, but there are a number of commercial plugins available for sendmail that allow it to do virus or spam filtering, which remains the reson why sendmail is still quite prevalent on larger production systems.

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    4. Re:Lather, rinse, repeat by Wdomburg · · Score: 2

      >Quite frankly, it's quite powerful and its default
      >install is kinda simple to use except (except!)
      >for that stupid map command to build virtual
      >users, access tables and the likes.

      This doesn't have to be all that difficult either. Red Hat, for example, has the init script rebuild those files automatically for you when you run the init script. Just add the entries you need, and type: /sbin/service sendmail reload

      Matt

    5. Re:Lather, rinse, repeat by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      What's not simple about "makemap hash access access" ?

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    6. Re:Lather, rinse, repeat by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      Oops, that'll teach me to preview even simple posts. I of course meant:

      makemap hash access <access

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    7. Re:Lather, rinse, repeat by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      Well if I rsh to another machine, it'll ask me for a password which I must type in and then send across an unencrypted TCP connection.

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    8. Re:Lather, rinse, repeat by sporty · · Score: 2

      Heh, it's not that the command itself isn't simple. Just finding out how took a little effort. I can't imagine someone taking a week or two to figure that one out.

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  4. Re:Well, that settles that argument by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 3, Funny

    They are exactly equal because they chose 10 windows exploits and 10 *nix exploits. If they had chosen 20 exploits from both windows and *nix they would have numbered from 1 to 20.

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  5. Why... by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...is Apache listed as #2 under UNIX? It's not exactly bug-rittled doom-ware like IIS. A few mistakes every now and then hardly qualifies for a #2 rateing. it's not like, 50 new exploits are found a month or something. and as for RPC at #1...you get what you ask for.

    1. Re:Why... by -=OmegaMan=- · · Score: 2

      It's +ACM-2 because of it's prevalance. There's a helluva lot of +ACo-nix boxen running Apache out there - while many may be patched up - a lot aren't.

      Everything below it (except maybe SSH - they should be tied for second, IMO) is either relatively uncommon or an old old old vulnerability.

      Apache on Unix isn't +ACM-2 because it's bug-riddled doom-ware - it's because it's +ACo-comparitively+ACo- bad.

      I'd take it as a mark of honor that the Unix world's second biggest vulnerability isn't that big of a vulnerability after all. ;)

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    2. Re:Why... by garcia · · Score: 2

      IIS has 25 CVE entires, Apache has 30 CVE entries.

      now, granted it is EASIER to find vunerabilities in Apache, but the numbers (both CVE and number of servers than run Apache) are probably why it is rated so high.

    3. Re:Why... by Dannon · · Score: 2

      I would guess for two reasons. One, the bad-logic assumption that some folks make that, just because it isn't Windows, one doesn't have to be as concerned about keeping up-to-date with the patches. Sort of like the last item being weak passwords. It's not the system itself that's extremely insecure, as much as that some percentage of users fail to do all they can to secure it.

      The other might be... well, it is a UNIX list, and it would be quite a hunt to find anything for UNIX that -is- quite as bad as IIS.

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    4. Re:Why... by dzym · · Score: 2

      There aren't that many true vulnerabilities for IIS either.

      Don't forget that entire waves of worms starting from Code Red were targetted solely at one single vulnerability (which was actually patched a couple of months before Code Red actually struck).

    5. Re:Why... by coene · · Score: 2

      Installed user base.. Apache is everywhere, and a single remote root exploit can cause havok across 3/4 the Internet...

    6. Re:Why... by dzym · · Score: 2

      Which FTP? The one big name in "bug-ridden doomware" in the panoply of FTP servers is wu-ftpd, a decidedly *nix ftp server ...

  6. Missed a couple of big ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They left Outlook and it's derivatives off the Windows list. Nevermind the root VBS cause.

    But they seem to have really had to reach to get 10 for Unix.

    Man... how much did this 'study' cost?

    1. Re:Missed a couple of big ones by no+soup+for+you · · Score: 2

      If about servers, then why IE?
      Because IE is an integral part of the operating system, which would cause errors as far as the eye could see if you disabled it, of course.

      Actually, since on every windows server there exists internet explorer, I claim that IE is a part of the server.

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    2. Re:Missed a couple of big ones by richie2000 · · Score: 2
      Not many servers have outlook.

      Almost all Exchange servers have Outlook. It's needed for some admin tasks.

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  7. Re:Well, that settles that argument by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when a vendor installs an application BY DEFAULT on EVERY single version they ship and it is considered at top 10 vundeability I would say that is more important (see previous comment here) than individual applications that are GENERALLY not installed by default on UNIX based OSs.

    Just my worthless .02

  8. Re:The number one vulnerability for Windows boxen by -=OmegaMan=- · · Score: 2

    I think every user having the equivalent of "root" by default is probably far worse.

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  9. Social Engineering by akiy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They forgot to list one of the most obvious ways of breaching computer security measures: social engineering.

    If you can get the information that you want (eg passwords) from a person who knows the information, all the patches in the world won't protect your network...

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    1. Re:Social Engineering by Gurp · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They forgot to list one of the most obvious ways of breaching computer security measures: social engineering.

      Not forgot, deliberately left out. This document is limited in scope to only Windows and Unix vulnerabilities.

      If they had tried to make this more encompassing (say, by including physical security or common weaknesses in operational processes) the document would be so long no one would read it.

    2. Re:Social Engineering by neur0maniak · · Score: 2

      Windows vulnerabilities alone would make the document so long that no-one would read it.

  10. Firewalls that accept traffic by default? by Nailer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At the end of the document, you'll find an extra section offering a list of the ports used by commonly probed and attacked services. By blocking traffic to these ports at the firewall or other network perimeter protection devices, you add an extra layer of defense that helps protect you from configuration mistake

    This seems like a really bad idea. Giving people a list of port they should block traffic to implies that they needn't properly lock down their rulesets properly, andd have accept as the default policy.

    1. Re:Firewalls that accept traffic by default? by joto · · Score: 2

      Not really. It would give you a list of things to lock down for outgoing connections, to make sure your users behave nice.

  11. Not again by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Item 'W10 Windows Scripting Host' lists the 'solution' to be removing WSH. This is about as useful as removing Perl from a Unix box - it's not viable. The WSH is an important tool and the knee-jerk "let's get rid of it!" reaction will eventually be more trouble than not given how many other Microsoft and third-party software requires it. Also, the WSH is only a hosting implementation. The VBScript and JScript interpreters are not removed when you disable the WSH.

    Plus, you don't even need to spend on AV software from snake oil vendors.

    All that's needed is to make the 'Edit' command the default in the registry for all types of WSH-recognized extensions, such as .js and .wsh. Unfortunately the default is 'Open', which executes the script.

    Once you do this you can simply sit there and watch the script worms hit - the only thing you'll see are instances of Notepad all over the place (with the code, to boot). Quite funny (in a sick sort of way).

    1. Re:Not again by airrage · · Score: 4, Interesting

      WSH is an important tool, but it's only the command interpreter, it's the code that's sent to it and how it executes that truly the problem.

      But the most overlooked part of Windows 2000 and above is Microsoft's implementation of the Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) API. With this interface an admin can script against any Microsoft Class and has full rights to change, modify, stop, start, etc. The box is yours. And it's installed by default!

      Currently, it's a little under the radar, so many are unaware of it's implementation, but remote scripting is completely available and documented, just need the first exploit to overcome the security context and Houston we have a problem.

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  12. Now if only ... by rhysweatherley · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... the script kiddie who's been banging on my firewall for the last two weeks would just give up and go away, I'd be a happy camper.

    Free Clue: if you didn't get in on the first 2000 tries, go waste someone else's bandwidth!

    1. Re:Now if only ... by derF024 · · Score: 5, Funny

      have some fun with ipchains and the "mirror" directive. all of a sudden, to him, your machine will appear to be an exact duplicate of his. maybe he'll even root his own machine in the process :-P

    2. Re:Now if only ... by rhysweatherley · · Score: 2

      As this is my home network, everything is blocked. If it's incoming, then it ain't me and I don't want to know about it. I'm just getting a little tired of watching the cable modem blink, knowing that I'm going to have to pay for this idiot's excursions at the end of the month.

  13. well if you really wanna know by waspleg · · Score: 3, Informative

    take a look

    http://www.sans.org/top20/top20_Oct01.htm is the list from 2001

    http://www.sans.org/topten.htm is the list from 2000

  14. version number hiding is not the way to go. by MavEtJu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Version number hiding is not the way to go. And let me explain why: Nimda / Code Red. ISS only. Certain versions of ISS only. And do you think that the virus checks for the HTTP Server-string before it sends it payload? No way. Brute force. Just send the exploit and check later if it was successfull. I have the logs of my Apache webservers to show this behaviour.

    Same with the bugbear[sp] worm at this moment. "Check all the shares on the system. Found one! Let's copy to there." Zwoooosh there goes another sheet of paper through the printer.

    For administrative purposes, being able to find out what version of software is running is essential. In a company with tens of locations and thousands of computers, nobody will be able to keep a list of software installed on all these things, let alone keep track of the versions.
    A weekly scan by the corperate IT department and they know what MTAs and versions are there, what FTP servers and version, what DNS servers and versions are there. An update is released? Just inform the right people (i.e. the LAN administrators, not the people who own these servers). An exploit has become known? At least you know how vulnerable you are instead of panicing and trying to get (obsolete) lists from all over the place.

    So yeah, version number hiding doesn't reduce the attackrate but does reduce the ability to act.

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  15. A lopsided comparison by j_kenpo · · Score: 2

    I thought it was kind of amusing, the list being broken up into 2 catagories. Without a doubt, the highest number of vunerabilities are on the Windows side, especially in IE and VBScript. But lets not forget that Apache isnt immune either.. and for that matter, who can forget the infamous sendmail vunerability, and also dont forget misconfigured sendmails from our friends in the East are what allow so many of those cute spam messages we all love so much to get to us. And hell, I can remember stealing password lists with a nice PHP vunerability for years (goes to show that once you get used to an attack, you stick with it).luckily with IDS systems like Snort (http://www.snort.org) companie can monitor attacks as they happen (be sure to compare the size of the Web-Vunerabilities and Virus Rules files with the others...). But either way, the higher count is definitly on the Windows side.

  16. Misconfiguration by Kris+Warkentin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only is Apache very widely deployed, it is also quite easy to misconfigure it. If you read the article, they're not talking about software insecurities alone: they're talking about misconfiguration and bad management of machines. For example, weak/non-existant passwords is on both lists.

    They're not saying that Apache is insecure but rather that it is a potential risk if the admin is not sufficiently competent.

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    1. Re:Misconfiguration by chris_mahan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You've hit the nail on the head:

      "but rather that it is a potential risk if the admin is not sufficiently competent."

      You see, if the admin is a groking wizard with luser hate-filled eyes, whatever box he installs will be Fort Knox, regardless of the OS.

      Take your typical $36k/yr MCSE admin, and any system they setup will be like grated cheese.

      It's called experience, savvy, knowledge, tenacity, and not a little geekiness. And it's worth money.

      So, if you're a CIO and you don't want your company name to appear on the marketplace section of the Wall Street journal under the heading "Hacker steals 50,000 credit cards from..." then pay your good admins, even if they look like they're sleeping in meetings, even if their tie rotation schedule becomes glaringly apparent.

      Security is like seatbelts. The instant you need it it's too late to put it on. You have to put it on before.

      Good admins: When it looks like they are not doing anything, that when they've done everything right.

      Oh, and that list for windows: If you didn't already know all of that by heart, there's no chance in hell you'd get anywhere near production servers at our company.

      And now for something ot: There was a story a few days ago here about what would happen to the DNS system if the root servers for .com etc were misconfigured, replicating the misconfiguration accross all DNS servers... Eerily, see WorldCom's troubles today...

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  17. #W10 Windows Scripting Host by Osty · · Score: 2

    I have to disagree with their evaluation of item W10, Windows Scripting Host. They're essentially blaming it for improper use by mail clients (I never heard of anything other than Outlook or Outlook Express having problems with .vbs scripts run through WSH -- Word macros, while VB, are not VBScript, and don't go through WSH. IE embeds vbscript and jscript, again not through WSH, so while I guess you could download a .vbs, you'd have to be a moron to tell it to run automatically). Sure, they do include the line, "While administrators should always keep applications like browsers, mail clients and productivity suites patched and updated, patching these applications to eliminate their susceptibility to a particular worm is an incomplete (and no better than reactive) solution to the risks posed by scripting," but that's paramount to suggesting all scripting is bad. Would it be bash's fault if mutt auto-ran .sh extensions? Or would it be perl's fault if mutt did the same thing with .pl extensions? No, it wouldn't, so to fault WSH for Outlook/OE problems is pretty ludicrous.


    WSH is a very useful tool when used properly, just as bash or perl are very useful when used properly. Misuse by one or several applications does not mean the tool itself is at fault. A better thing to blame would be running as administrator (in NT-based Windows systems) full-time, rather than as a non-admin user. Again, this is directly parallel to running as root 24/7 in a unix system. You wouldn't do it there, so why do it in Windows? (Win9x is dead, let it rest in peace.)

  18. Re:Well, that settles that argument by sunset · · Score: 4, Interesting
    To restate your point more bluntly:

    Saying that "The Twenty Most Critical Internet Security Vulnerabilities" is the same as the top ten Windows vulnerabilities plus the top ten Unix vulnerabilities, is just plain stupid.

  19. I am disappointed... by funwithBSD · · Score: 5, Funny

    the "Slashdot Effect" DOS did not make the top 20.

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    1. Re:I am disappointed... by WinterSolstice · · Score: 2
      That would be due to the random and sometimes beneficial nature of it.

      It's more of a "feature"...

      -WS

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    2. Re:I am disappointed... by suss · · Score: 2

      the "Slashdot Effect" DOS did not make the top 20.

      Yeah, and neither did "driving over the webserver with a pickup truck". Who'd have thought?

      It's about security vulnerabilities anyway, not brute force denial of service attacks.....

  20. Re:Clueless FBI by davidstrauss · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Interesting that all but one of the UNIX probs can also be traced to Windows. Apache runs on on Unix and Windows. FTP, RPC etc etc

    Apache is optimized and was originally designed for Unix. FTP is a standard Internet protocol that likely had its origins in Unix. While the problems you state afflict Windows and Unix alike, they cannot be "traced to Windows." They should be under a generic category for all systems, as HTTP and FTP servers are, in general, large security risks, if caused by nothing more than improper setup.

  21. I'll tell you why by Inoshiro · · Score: 2

    Misconfigured webservers. Formail.pl, things run using suexec, and other problems are the #1 way to get into a system using a webserver. Chunked encoding and OpenSSL are just core problems, the fact is that most people don't know how to configure it at all.

    Obviously there is a large enough portion to support spammers, otherwise I'd not be getting so many requests for formail.pl in my logs (always set to email from some aol.com email address, most recently f2@aol.com, and sending to another fake address, most recently phishtank@yahoo.com, with a subject of my server name and a body of "w00t").

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  22. Re:Clueless FBI by ianaverage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although the *nix exploits may exist in M$ too, it is possible that they decided that the *worst* M$ exploits were the ones listed. So, maybe FTP is on the list--just at #12 or something for M$. I don't know if I agree with that...but it is a thought...

  23. Cool idea by RatBastard · · Score: 2

    Do you have a full list of those extensions, or do I need to dig through the "File Types" list?

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    1. Re:Cool idea by Fjord · · Score: 2

      I did this a while ago when my roomate-at-the-time was sharing one of my computers. Workes really well. Since then I've thought it would be cool to have an OE/Outlook virus that would do this and mail itself on. Thus, all the people who do click these damn things will get infected and never have that problem again, while the people who don't click them don't really need the protection anyway.

      Sorry, don't have the list.

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    2. Re:Cool idea by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Informative
      .js
      .wsh
      .wsf
      .vbs
      .wsc (this one is not a problem IIRC, but check it. It's a "script component" and can't be executed directly)
      .jse

      If you have ActivePerl installed (recent build) you might want to do the same to the .pl extension, just in case.

  24. YOU ARE WRONG! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Flamebait
    > the knee-jerk "let's get rid of it!" reaction will eventually be more trouble than not

    What we need is a greater knee-jerk reaction. A few months ago I got rid of WSH using "format c: /q /u". Now running OSX on new iMac, and old PC is a lovely Linux firewall. I think the top 10 Windows problems might not bother me now. ;)

  25. W10 by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Top 10 Windows Vulnerabilities:

    1. Windows
    2. Windows
    3. Windows
    4. Windows
    5. Windows
    6. Windows
    7. Windows
    8. Windows
    9. Windows
    10. Windows

    1. Re:W10 by unicron · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'm sure you got the mad fat crazy windows hacking skills, geocities page boy.

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  26. Missing the most obvious vulnerability... by Zspdude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The user. Windows OR Unix.

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  27. Re:Well, that settles that argument by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    C'mon, both of you are missing the point. Reported vulnerabilities in IIS, IE or MS SQL demonstrate the poor security of closed-source software. Reported vulnerabilities in Apache, Sendmail and openssh prove the value of open-source development , which allows thousands of eyes to spot bugs to be fixed.

    So according to these lists, Linux is 2^20 times better than Windows.

    Now just learn to interject "Security through obscurity doesn't work!" and "Security is a process, not a product!" whenever they seem like they might be relevant and you could be a /. security expert like me.

  28. All of these are ridiculous... by NineNine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're all security holes, if they aren't patched. Very few of the things that they listed aren't completely patchable (yes, including IIS). Keep up with the patches, and don't do stupid things, and you'll be fine.

    1. Re:All of these are ridiculous... by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was more or less the point of the list. To point out the top 10 POTENTIAL security problem areas. Lazy admins could make great strides by merely keeping tabs on these top 10 items alone.

      It seems incredable to me too that anyone with the title of "administrator" could NOT already be doing this, but then there is reality.

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  29. Sometimes people anthropomorphize too much by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 2

    There is no "blaim" intended in making those lists. It's not a "Top 10 programs whose creators and users should be punished for being insecure". It is merely a list to help admins maintain secure machines. As far as these lists go, "fault" doesn't enter in to it, therefore there is no "fair" or "Unfair" to their contents.

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  30. Re:NO MACS is GOOD NEWS by WinterSolstice · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There are no Amiga vulnerabilities mentioned either. Does that mean anything in particular?

    No. Didn't think so.

    -WS

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  31. FTP? by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what to do with FTP?

    The openSSH sftp client really sucks, it's barely usable, no frills, almost seems like a "proof of concept" as it were. It gets the job done, barely.

    So our customers need to upload files. With FTP in IE and Netscape and Mozilla, they can drag and drop the files into the browser and log in and send the files.

    Another option is to use HTTP PUT, but since our clients are uploading 50 meg files, no progress feedback is a killer there. Is there some open source client-side-java-pretty-HTTP-PUT-uploader out there? Even then you have to have your clients have Java installed, something that can't really be counted on.

    Other options.... Put putty on the site and make them install it and use sftp.. Not an ideal option, but somewhat workable.

    So where is the drop in replacement for FTP? Why isn't anyone working on this?

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    1. Re:FTP? by dodobh · · Score: 2

      SCP. WinSCP for the pretty windows GUI.
      FTP as a protocol is horrible for security.

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  32. Their SNMP experts aren't experts... by hardaker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's a note I just sent to their web master (they had no other place to send "comments"):

    Overall the top20 list is a good summary as always.

    However, I can't believe the lack of knowledge about at least the SNMP portion of it. SNMP *used to use* clear-text community strings in the first and second versions of the protocols. The following statement, along with others in the section:

    'SNMP uses an unencrypted "community string" as its only authentication mechanism. Lack of encryption is bad enough...'

    Is spreading simply incomplete information. At a minimum, it should be suggested that all users upgrade their SNMP enabled software to version 3 compliant SNMP agents and to disable the version 1 and version 2 SNMP protocols. All of the major network vendors, as well as software vendors implement the v3 protocol so there is very little excuse for not using it (and, worst case you can deploy v3->v1 proxies near v1-devices to minimize the transmision distance of clear-text v1 community strings). *Please* change the wording to suggest that people upgrade their equipment to SNMPv3 compliant software, which will take care of at least the insecure problems with the protocol.

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    1. Re:Their SNMP experts aren't experts... by Quill_28 · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up.

      I completely agree, but they been sent similar infomation before and they were clueless, and I mean clueless. Quite disappointing.
      Makes me lose faith in the rest of their list.
      But maybe they will listen to you Wes.

    2. Re:Their SNMP experts aren't experts... by hardaker · · Score: 2

      Well, the sad thing is that you'd think SANS would have gotten it right. At least checked it with people who knew something. They're just one of those organizations that I thought I could trust. Which means, most other people also think they can trust them.

      Which, um, I guess means "trust no one, mannnnnn".

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    3. Re:Their SNMP experts aren't experts... by hardaker · · Score: 2

      yes, change is hard. they know it and don't want to do it. People that require unsecure protocols probably deserve what they get. But the solution is not necessarily to turn it off if they want it. It's to upgrade instead.

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  33. Re:Am I the only one that noticed... by lugonn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...the fact that only one(u10) Unix vulnerablity has to do with the OS itself, and the rest are program related. All of which can easily be removed without harm to your boxen.

    However, 4(w4, w5, w7, w10) of the Win vulnerabilities are integral parts of the OS so you can't remove/fix them without hosing your PC.

    Gee, which OS is more secure...looks like *nix again. So no, they are completely different.

  34. bind? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2

    I think its rather interesting that bind was included on this list, especially ironic because it was listed as number "9". Bind 8 did have a terrible security reputation, but all of the bind 9 releases have been essentially bug-free. I believe there have been one or two denial-of-service exploites released, but nothing that would bring the internet's name services crashing down. Additionally, bind 9 has the ability to run as the permissions of another user -and- in a chroot'd environment, which makes the box worthless to the attacker even if they are able to break in (can we say "ls: command not found").

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  35. Re:How to block null sessions in Win2k? by Rai · · Score: 2, Informative

    Guess i was wrong. I found this.

    Go to --> Administrative Tools --> Local Security Settings --> Local Policies --> Security Options

    Select "Additional restrictions of anonymous connections" in the Policy pane on the right

    From the pull down menu labeled "Local policy setting", select "No access without explicit anonymous permissions"

    Click OK

  36. #1 in both (all) systems by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

    Users and administrators.

    Either base system can be secure or as full of holes as your mother. Apply the relevant patches in a timely manner, and you're mostly ok (so far).

    Clueful users do not generally get rooted. In either system.

  37. Re:Ever heard of a UID? by lugonn · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A better thing to blame would be running as administrator (in NT-based Windows systems) full-time, rather than as a non-admin user

    Given that Win doesn't have group ownership for files, it really doesn't matter if your running as admin or guest. You can still use WSH as a guest and be able to fuck with system files, you just can't play with the registry...nice security model, it doesn't exist for files on Win systems.

    Perl on the other hand can't mess with files if the UID for the process doesn't have permission to...ooohhh, file security.

  38. Out of the mouths ... by smallfeet · · Score: 2, Funny

    We had to install a virus checker on our Unix boxes at work. In the manual they ask the question 'Why a virus checker for Unix?'. Their reply was 'because of all the Windows viruses'. Seems they thought it a good idea to catch them before they got to the Windows boxes. They are the professionals, I have to believe them.

  39. Re:The number one vulnerability for Windows boxen by LinuxHam · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just to be a /bot for a second, I thought it was funny that the primary concern with Apache was insecure CGI scripts. And the point about "even Apache's own website was defaced" says nothing about boxes being 0wned. Just a chrooted nobody user account. (And yes, I assume that Apache runs their own server chrooted)

    As to the submitter saying the vulnerable UNIX apps are basically a laundry list of apps he uses daily, that's too bad. Never once have I needed to put NFS, rlogin, or FTP into production. I was always taught that the "r" meant "raped".

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  40. Re:Ever heard of a UID? by Osty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that Win doesn't have group ownership for files, it really doesn't matter if your running as admin or guest. You can still use WSH as a guest and be able to fuck with system files, you just can't play with the registry...nice security model, it doesn't exist for files on Win systems.

    You'd be right, if your system is using FAT16/32, though why you'd ever use that on an NT-based system (note my comment about NT-based Windows systems, and Win9x being dead), I don't know. Use NTFS, setup proper permissions (should be setup by default, if you installed using NTFS), and you have a better ACL system than the default user/group/other UNIX permission system (yes, I know various unices have better ACL systems, and various filesystems for Linux do as well, but most people use ext2 at the moment, which just does ugo by default -- you can add patches that do real ACLs, but last I checked that wasn't part of 2.4).


    Just taking a quick look of C:\Windows on my XP system, I see:

    • Administrators group has full permissions
    • Power Users group has modify, read&exec, list folder contents, read, and write permissions (missing "special permissions")
    • SYSTEM has full control
    • Users (which is where you should normally be running) has read&exec, list folder contents, and read permission. No modify, no write.

    So how is it, again, that Windows doesn't have group ownership?
  41. Re:Well, that settles that argument by iabervon · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Actually, my list of 10 would be: IIS, IE, Outlook, Apache, random UNIX services you don't mean to have, sendmail, bind, sshd, plaintext passwords, ftpd. There's only 3 Windows ones, because you can probably break into more Windows boxes than you want to with just those 3. None of the other Windows vulnerabilities matter much, because you can't use them to break into UNIX systems.

  42. I love W5... by tlambert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I love W5. It implies that the vulnerability is the leakage of information to an intruder.

    It seems to me that, since it points out the the scans are often run as "System" by the legitimate users, then by properly crafting a response to an inquiry, and puttting my machine out there, the real vulnerability is to the systems, like the domain controllers, which scan (potentially trojaned) remote machine, without dropping "System" priviledge first.

    It seems to me that an exploit using SAMBA source code ought not to be that hard to write...

    -- Terry

  43. meaningful typo by darkonc · · Score: 4, Funny
    In the article, it says:
    Nearly all Linux systems and many other Unix systems come with Apache installed and often by fault enabled.

    Although I presume that they meant to say 'by default enabled', I (like many others) feel that it is an error to have most facilities enabled by default. Thus the default is IMHO a fault.

    I would much rather have various facilities disabled by default, with easily-accessible tools which enable those facilities (and give appropriate security warnings). Manufacturers, like sun, who ship machines with everything and their dogs enabled should be hung by their toes and beaten mercilessly with burnt-out '286s.
    The standard defence that most of these systems ship to sites with well-traind sysadmins who know what to disable is silly. If a site has well-trained sysadmins, then they should know how to enable the required facilities. Sites without well trained sysadmins probably don't have good security, either, and most desparately need to have all of those holes covered when the system ships.

    For admins who care more about getting a system running easily than they do about security, vendors like sun could have a program (named 'goahead-shootme') that enables all facilities just like the old (de)fault had it. Better yet, of course, would be a simple menu-driven / GUI program that allowed you to turn on/of various facilites and daemons (and possibly even provided an explanation of why). -- Bastille Linux comes to mind...

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  44. Re:The number one vulnerability for Windows boxen by Sj0 · · Score: 2

    Yes, I have looked at the logs for an Apache server we run at work, and it's hilarious. One can merely politely ask for access to various memory locations. It's a terrible joke; if it wasn't reality, and gaining market share, it would be really funny.

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  45. Weak passwords are a legit weakness by billstewart · · Score: 2

    Even aside from applications that still limit passwords to 8 characters, wimpy passwords are a real problem. Wimpy root passwords are the worst (do the password utilities still let root assign wimpy passwords?) but wimpy user passwords let attackers break into user accounts, which is a starting point for attacks on more serious weaknesses.

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  46. Re:Security Through Obscurity by ninewands · · Score: 2

    This is not really a plea for "security through obscurity". It's more a plea for common sense. Feeding disinformation to the black-het crowd is always a good idea. Returning a server string of "jkxyzxpl version 7.35.-1" hurts none of the legitimate users, but it completely hides the server name and version from the bad guys. They MAY be able to overcome the obstacles, but they have to work a little harder to do it. MOST crackers will look for easier targets instead.

  47. Usual Suspects Haven't Gone Away After YEARS by billstewart · · Score: 3, Informative
    Microsoft keeps thinking up new and interesting blatantly stupid security holes - bashing them is too easy, and getting them fixed it too hard, so I'll stick to bashing Unix systems and applications, which are not only expected to know better, but also to be able to fix things. Most of these weaknesses are the same fundamental weaknesses that have been around for decades The Morris Worm was almost 15 years ago.....
    • Buffer Overflows! If people are going to insist on using C to write important applications, they need to use libraries that check input properly if they're not going to do the job themselves! This is about the most basic bug you learn to avoid when you learn arrays, and C's pointers don't give you protection so you're warned to do it yourself where you need it.
    • Not Checking Input for Validity! This is about the second lesson in CS100 classes, or was back when I took them - Never Never Never trust that your program has been given correct input, especially input that cares about size and type.
    • Not checking for Cleverly Malicious Domain-Dependant Input - OK, some kinds of input checking go beyond the basics, but at least make sure not to let users provide input that uses ".." in directory paths or lets unauthorized people store important data.
    • Running things are ROOT that don't critically need to - Mail doesn't need to run as root just to deliver mail to mailboxes - group permissions with the application running as group mail works just fine. Web Servers doesn't need to be root, and DNS doesn't need to be root, and Printer Daemons don't need to be, and most ftp servers don't need to be (a few might). SSH probably does, but there may be ways to work around that.
    • Operating Systems that force applications to user root privileges - TCP and UDP well-known ports shouldn't need root permissions to run them, except perhaps in very special cases, and forcing them to have root permissions increases the probability that an inadequately-written application will be running as root instead of chroot-jailed.
    • Applications writing over their own configuration files - if you take advantage of operating system permissions, that reduces your need to defend against cleverly malicious input. Be careful out there, and use them.
    • Applications that force users to use too-short passwords - 8-character passwords have been obsolete for years. Even if you let users pick wimpy ones, at least don't *force* them to.
    That's certainly not everything, but it's an appallingly high fraction. Making sure applications don't run as root doesn't prevent things like mail viruses or web server viruses from flooding the net with bogus emails, but it makes it harder, and reduces the potential damage. At least practice enough basic hygiene that attackers have to be careful, creative, and hardworking....
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    1. Re:Usual Suspects Haven't Gone Away After YEARS by billstewart · · Score: 2
      Gack. While I can't say I'm surprised, the right behavior is usually to "take out a contract" on anybody who teaches like that.

      From the user's side, yes, if you provide Garbage In, you should not expect Good Stuff Out, but from a programmer's perspective, for non-critical applications, the right thing to do is to return some kind of error message to the user, and for critical applications, it's worth spending the effort to find the best way to respond to bad input, since there are applications like controlling jet airplanes or chemical plants where simply printing an error message to the console isn't good enough. But the minimum acceptable behavior should be the applicable equivalent of the error handling in the old Unix "ed" editor, which responded to bad input by printing a "?" back to the user, who was presumed to know what he or she was doing and understand why the input was wrong.

      If you're running anything connected to the Internet, you have to expect more than just the Garbage In that you get from users making typing mistakes - you should expect deliberately malicious exploration of boundary conditions, and design your program to survive them. Otherwise you're just crunchy and good with ketchup.

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    2. Re:Usual Suspects Haven't Gone Away After YEARS by stang · · Score: 2

      Actually, I'm currently going through the system here at ohio state where they teach the concept of prgramming [sic] by contract. Basically we're told if the input is not the correct (documented) input then whatever happens is not your fault (an error is to be expected). Writing bulletproof code is a waste of time apparently.

      Hmm.

      As I recall Weide's CIS 680 class, the idea was that routines should explicitly state (10 years ago, this was done in comments) what they check and what they don't. If a given routine expects to be passed an integer between 1 and 10, the contract states whether the routine handles out-of-bounds conditions or if it's the responsibility of the caller to ensure that the data is valid before passing it off to the routine.

      This doesn't mean that you shouldn't validate input, nor that bulletproof code is a waste of time. My interpretation was more that it was a duplication of effort to validate data both on the caller and the callee sides of things -- it doesn't matter on which side of the fence you do things, just make sure they get done.

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  48. Re:Ever heard of a UID? by rabidcow · · Score: 2

    Somebody mod up the parent of this comment.

    "lugonn" has apparently never used an NT-based Windows.

  49. Re:#8 = Internet Explorer. QWZX by Zathrus · · Score: 2

    That's Media Player, not IE. The two pieces of software are not the same.

    There has never been, to my knowledge, any clause in a security update for IE that changed the EULA in such a negative manner.

    I wholly agree with flacco that such clauses in security updates are unacceptable.

  50. Windows Vulnerabilities by anonymous_wombat · · Score: 2
    I like this quote:

    Web administrators too often conclude that since Microsoft's Internet Information Server (IIS) is exceptionally prone to compromise (see W1. Internet Information Server), the open-source Apache web server is completely secure. While the comparison with IIS may be true, and although Apache has a well-deserved reputation for security, it has not proved invulnerable under scrutiny.

    It amazes me how often these vulnerabilities are caused by things that they teach in beginning programming classes, like bulletproofing your code.

  51. snmp and userids by Sabalon · · Score: 3, Informative

    C'mon...the snmp one should be thrown off the unix list. Winders has snmp, and network devices have snmp. Just because you can do snmp stuff with Unix doesn't make it a unix vulnerability anymore than a windows one.

    As for userid's and passwords - I've seen equally week NT setups - even more common for people to use no passwords on NT, since Win clients are connecting. As for tracking what a user is doing - ps anyone? Lets see you track what an authenticated user can do with RPC on a windows network.

  52. Shatter exploit? by DaPhoenix · · Score: 2, Informative

    Shatter Exploit?? Come on. This exploit is worse than any of the ones listed.

    Those other flaws are weak in comparison to one where someone can own your university network.

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  53. The number one vulnerability for Windows boxen is: by kubrick · · Score: 2

    Windows!

    :)

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  54. Re:brilliant. by The+Raven · · Score: 2

    Hmm. NT Authentication is encrypted. SQL Authentication is not. It's a no brainer to me.

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  55. Even one vulnerability is too many ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2



    You sez:

    "...the fact that only one(u10) Unix vulnerablity has to do with
    the OS itself, and the rest are program related. All of which can
    easily be removed without harm to your boxen."

    While the above is TECHNICALLY CORRECT, please remember, when it comes to VULNERABILITY, even ONE is TOO MANY !

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  56. Most critical internet security vulnerabilities by mrBlond · · Score: 2, Informative
    2002-10-03 13:22:59 Most critical internet security vulnerabilities (articles,security) (rejected)

    The register points to the 2002-09-27 SANS/FBI top 20 most critical internet security vulnerabilities. 2000's top vulnerability, BIND weaknesses, dropped to Unix number 3 last year, and number 9 this year.

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  57. Re:The number one vulnerability for Windows boxen by joto · · Score: 2

    Yeah, and on Unix, Apache is #2, and ssh is #3. It amazes me how hard this seems to be to grasp for most unix administrators...

  58. Re:Well, that settles that argument by joto · · Score: 2

    Well, IIS is no more installed by default on w2k, than rpc, apache or ssh is installed by default on linux systems. I have never had much of a problem not installing either of them.

  59. Re:Well, that settles that argument by joto · · Score: 2

    Well, outlook would have to come before IE. Sure, stupid users can be prompted to execute any trojan in IE (and it has some very bad security faults as well). But with Outlook, you simply send them a mail, and you're in...

  60. Other UNIXs could take a lesson from Apple by Spencerian · · Score: 2

    Unlike most UNIX-based distributions, Mac OS X client arrives with its root account disabled (users are lower level admins or normal users) and all of its external services disabled by default. The root account can be enabled if necessary, but at least root breaches aren't immediately possible out of the box.

    That doesn't make Mac OS X immune from common UNIX vulnerabilities, but it does mean administrators have fewer worries from these systems on setup since Apache, SSL, Windows File Sharing, FTP, printer sharing, Apple File Sharing, and Remote Apple Events are inactive, providing less of a target.

    Mac OS X 10.2 finally provides a GUI for its ipfw firewall settings to lock out these ports, automatically preventing these ports from being open unless the user activates the service.

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  61. Re:Well, that settles that argument by blibbleblobble · · Score: 2

    To quote: (for those thinking that the report criticized apache and IIS equally)

    "Web administrators too often conclude that since Microsoft's Internet Information Server (IIS) is exceptionally prone to compromise (see W1. Internet Information Server), the open-source Apache web server is completely secure. While the comparison with IIS may be true, and although Apache has a well-deserved reputation for security, it has not proved invulnerable under scrutiny."

  62. Re:Ever heard of a UID? by lugonn · · Score: 2
    If I told you I was posting from NT4.0sp6 could you mod down the parent so I'll stop posting at 2. Thanx.

    Now that that's out of the way. It is very easy to build an active X control that can bypass login sytems on Win boxes. I know becuase this box I'm posting from was cracked that way...many moons ago. File permissions on NTFS mean nothing when the OS controlling them gives full access to programs that are running, even if they were started by a guest/user.

    "Flesh(Win) is a trap...and Magic(*nix) sets us free." -Dorthea Swan
    i hope somebody gets the inside *nix joke

  63. Re:Ever heard of a UID? by lugonn · · Score: 2
    Sorry, I should have been more clear.

    I meant that the group permissions in Win are a joke, and they don't really protect anything from a serious attack. They were designed to prevent unauthorized software from being installed by non-admins on a domain. It was a convienence thing for admins, not especially for security. They aren't intergral to the OS, just the file system, you can end run around the file permissions through the OS via escalation.

    Which is why WSH is dangerous. You don't have to be admin to make WSH start erasing .dll's on the machine. The group settings under windows are for users convienence, not security. It is not group permissions in the same sense as *nix group permissions, it's a cheesy fake-out labled 'group permissions' by marketing dips so they can 'claim' Win is secure. It doesn't really matter if it is or not to them.

    However, to get Perl to do admin things on a *nix box, you have to start the process as admin/root/whatever or else it can't access the files, and the OS won't let you escalate. That's security, not marketing spin.