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Interview with Andrew Tridgell
Jeremy Allison - Sam writes "See here for a *great* interview with tridge. My favourite quote: 'In 50 years' time I doubt anyone would have ever heard of Samba, but they'll probably be using rsync in one way or another,' Tridgell says. Cheers, Jeremy."
I didn't read the article. I want is an anonymous first post! Booya.
We <B>might</b> have hologram storage by then.
Unix & Linux's strengths are propaganda.
Unix & Linux Zealots use it because they like feeling superior to others. The exert their superiority by the desire to know something that others do not when it has no pratical use.
Linux is impossible to use for a good reason. If it were easy to use, these pompus asses would not use it, what would be the point when you cannot be on the fringe? What fun is knowing something that everyone else knows. . . then you cease to be special?
Ask anyone, and I have expierenced it myself, Linux and Unix machines crash more than the latest Service Packed Microsoft Windows 200 version.
Linux & Unix are free?!?! An Enterprise edition of SCO Openserver is $1300.00, Apache Red Hat Server is $1000.00. How is this free? The only free stuff is dumb ass utilities written by some 20 year old who forgot to bathe. You also might need to understand quantum mechanics to get them to run.
Linux Junkies are hiding behind their overly complex OS, hoping that it will keep their job security because nobody else wants to bother learning something that does taks Windows does much easier fact.
Face it. Now.
Then shut your fucking pie hole.
Please tell me how the fuck to write the fp ? I was crying from pain while watching the comment as virtualy the first one .
I'm a droid .
Samba is racist! Short for Little Black Sambo!
What a pig!
Racists should burn in hell!
Okay, so how long until Samba is able to use the rsync protocol for file updates? That depends on what Microsoft decide to do I guess.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
another week, another bunch of repeated crap stories stolen from other sources here on slashdot.
does anybody know what this sequence is.
Tridgell says that he recently discovered a certain combination of data which, when sent down the wire to a Windows server, rebooted it. "Every NT server just completely rebooted. We decided not to emulate that. We contact Microsoft about these bugs, and we get back emails saying, 'Have you got your computer switched on? Are you sure you've got all the latest patches?' Of course, you idiot! Just put me through to someone who knows what they're doing," he says.
'In 50 years' time I doubt anyone would have ever heard of Samba, but they'll probably be using rsync in one way or another,'
So, noone will have heard of Samba, because (presumably) the most successful company on earth will have ceased to exist or (more likely) NetBIOS will cease to exist. However, people will still be using a part of the most insecure toolset know to Unix?
So Solid Crew is massiv! BO! BOOYAKA!
Hear that "whirr"? That's Stallman spinning in his grave, and he's not even dead yet!
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cause i poop on this interview
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samba work good on os X too
me like samba.
It's people like you who tempt me into taking -1 from the comments of new users. Fsckwit.
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What about the doomsday for UNIX. Isn't that in about 2036 [or there abouts], when the time just runs out, in UNIX's own Y2K bug?
If we haven't upgraded our systems by then to the next OS, I'll eat my hat. [I suppose a lot of developers ate their hats too two years ago.]
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
HellO! I would like to learn to haX0r LuNix. Email me with infoz! OUT
"Certainly (the Samba team) knows a lot more about the Microsoft protocol than the people who Microsoft sends to the (annual) CIFS conferences. The people they've sent along haven't had a clue, but I don't know if they were just people who happened to be walking up the corridor when the manager decided he needed someone to go along."
Good to know that at least somebody understands it...
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
'In 50 years' time I doubt anyone would have ever heard of Samba'
Oh, I don't know 'bout that... it's been at least a few centuries since Waltz was invented and I know a few folks who still cut the rug in 3/4 time! *rimshot*
Good judgment comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgment.
Shouldn't this be fixed before the problem arises as we will have the ability to address more and more memory?
If you had nuts on your chin, would they be chin nuts?
There's already standardisation efforts underway to double the length of the time variables, so I don't think there's any huge issue. We should be finished within 30 years I would think.
-WolfWithoutAClause
"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"for rsync suppose to go to the space station?
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Does this mean all the people who read this article have an expiry date before fifty years are up, or will our memories simply be doctered?
What does this man know that I don't? No, I don't mean about networked file system protocols either, although if you could give me an exhaustive and comprehensible list of that I'd appreciate it.
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I think you are confusing rsync with rlogin and friends. rsync is completely different, and it's just a coincidence that the names sound so similar.
You slashdot "geeks" think you're pretty smart, but your just jeleous of N-Sync because you know you couldn't dance and sing because everybody would hate you!
Lance Bass was supposed to go in space, but the stupid people with the money were too stupid not to pay the Russians. Didn't they know if Lance went to space, everybody would love Nsync and stop buy BSB records because they suck ass and are stupid!
Your so stupid because your just jeleous.
I hate you!!!
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
Sincere newbie needs help on bad karma & fp
Please tell me how the fuck to write the fp ?
I was crying from pain while watching the comment as virtualy the first one .
But in most *nixes, especially of the open source variety, all one would have to do essentially is change the variables a bit and recompile. Granted, it's somewhat more complicated an effort than just that, but you get the idea. This should be a much simpler problem to fix than the y2k bug that never really was a problem.
I suppose my point is that if we were able to survive the y2k bug without much of a real problem (sure some things were broken, but compared to what we were told was going to happen, it was really smooth), we ought to be able to do the same with *nix, only much easier.
Given the turn around time of (most) Open source projects, don't you think 30 years is cutting it a bit close?
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Fsckwit
Ditch your stupid wannabe geek speak, you worthless shiteating fuck.
Y2K should have been fixed, since we had enough memory, and foresight to see the problem. How many machines and software is in our landfills now because of it?
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
How long until someone patents it as a device for fixing Windows security problems?
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Samba infringes on Microsoft's patents. That is all.
I'd just like to say a REALLY big thank you for the time and effort you've spent working on Samba. It has been a huge benefit to me both personally and professionally, and I am taking this opportunity to express my sincere gratitude. Andrew, thanks for envisioning this project, and getting up all started. Thanks also to your wife for putting up with it, I'm not sure mine would have :)
The developer list is growing, and I've never even read messages from some from some of you, but it's worth taking the time to personally express thanks as individually as this forumn allows.
Jeremy Allison
Andrew Tridgell
John Terpstra
Chris Hertel
John Blair
Gerald Carter
Michael Warfield
Brian Roberson
Jean Francois Micouleau
Simo Sorce
Andrew Bartlett
Motonobu Takahashi
Jelmer Vernooij
Richard Sharpe
Eckart Meyer
Herb Lewis
Dan Shearer
David Fenwick
Paul Blackman
Volker Lendecke
Alexandre Oliva
Tim Potter
Matt Chapman
David Bannon
Steve French
Jim McDonough
*Luke Leighton
*Elrond
*Sander Striker
Thank You. You have done a great service for us all, and we are very much in your debt.
Kevin Anderson
this
(lame joke i know)
What about Linda Lovelace, Kevin Smith, and Tux?
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
I'd just like to say a REALLY big thank you for the time and effort you've spent working on Samba. It has been a huge benefit to me both personally and professionally, and I am taking this opportunity to express my sincere gratitude.
:)
Andrew, thanks for envisioning this project, and getting up all started. Thanks also to your wife for putting up with it, I'm not sure mine would have
The developer list is growing, and I've never even read messages from some from some of you, but it's worth taking the time to personally express thanks as individually as this forumn allows.
Jeremy Allison
Andrew Tridgell
John Terpstra
Chris Hertel
John Blair
Gerald Carter
Michael Warfield
Brian Roberson
Jean Francois Micouleau
Simo Sorce
Andrew Bartlett
Motonobu Takahashi
Jelmer Vernooij
Richard Sharpe
Eckart Meyer
Herb Lewis
Dan Shearer
David Fenwick
Paul Blackman
Volker Lendecke
Alexandre Oliva
Tim Potter
Matt Chapman
David Bannon
Steve French
Jim McDonough
*Luke Leighton
*Elrond
*Sander Striker
Thank You. You have done a great service for us all, and we are very much in your debt.
Kevin Anderson
Did you bother to think, "How can you store data in 3D laser pictures?"
No you didn't!!!!
Next time, think before you post!!!
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
How does one "eat a bag of hell?"
I seriously couldn't figure out what the rimshot was for.
... What is the rimshot for? It was quirky, but not funny. ... Oh, Samba and Waltx...."
Took me a noticeable amount of time to realize that you were making a dance step play.
I thought it was just a corny analogy.
"Why would anyone use the waltz as an analogy to software?
It's not, the r stands for remote in all those protocols, ie Remote SHell, Remote Synchronization etc.
UNIX doomsday, this only applies to 32-bit integers if you recompile your code with time as a 64-bit integer (like on 64-bit processors) then the 32 bit integer which represents time as seconds since circa 1970, will last for 70 ish years, however a 64 bit integer can store 2^32 times more numbers, meaning it will last for 70 * (2^32) years. So as long as all UNIX machines are on 64 bit processors by 2038, doomsday will be avoided until the year 300647712690. In other words approx. 280 billion years. Given that we estimate that the universe is approaching its mid life crisis, 64 bits should keep time for 9.3 universe life times. I have a feeling my math may be a bit off can someone double check this for me. I do know that 64 bit UNIX time will last for a the forseeable future.
If you've ever worked with UNIX then you might know that stupid mainframe programmers don't program for it. Unix programmers are smarter than everybody else and would never use 2 digits for a date (That's stupid!)
Besides, Y2K is over!!! Earth to McFly!!!!
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
FIRSTUS POSTUS, BEEOTCHII!
I r #1, all others are #2 or lower!
pleeease?!!!!
My mom said I could have first post!
You don't know what you're talking about.
Samba isn't developed my Microsoft; SMB is. And the problems SMB solves are fading even now; in 50 years there's no way that SMB will be useful. Microsoft will have moved on to something else.
And, of course, rsync isn't part of the rlogin/rsh/rwhatever toolset. It's completely independant.
The reason that rsync might still be used is that it implements a really powerful algorithm to do its job, which is being adopted in many cutting-edge projects. I don't know if those cutting-edge projects will have relatives which are still in use in 50 years, but they have more of a chance than Samba.
-Billy
Anyone know where I can get that reboot code he was talking about? I've got some ideas about hooking that in to my portsentry...
Samba was our beach head that allowed us to get a footing on Microsoft so we could execute missions in their territory.
The best thing is that our Samaba soldiers will still live on to write other great software to help us rid our lives of Microsoft software.
Thanks samba team even though I rarely use your Samba software anymore. I use rsync all the time on my Gentoo systems!
This totally ignores a more urgent problem than Y2K. I like to call it the "Y10K" problem. Since no one is preparing for it, when the year 9999 rolls around, we are going to have major problems. You see, they only updated most date fields with 4 digits, not nearly enough just a few millenia from now. And I dare you to suggest "they certainly won't be using the same computers they're using now!". That's what they said last time. Worse, all the copies of COBOL for Dummies and The Complete Idiot's Guide to COBOL will have long since rotted.
If I were you, I'd start stocking up on canned food, and non-electronic forms of currency like rolls of toilet paper.
So I downloaded a bug report form from the IBM website, filled in all details and sent it off. After a while I got a response. I could not make heads or tails of it. It was in some kind of IBM speak. (IBM speak really exists. Do they still call a harddisk a "hard file"? :-)
So I forwarded the message to Timothy Sipples, who had been very active on Usenet and had just started working for IBM. He translated it for me: I was not a big account customer so they would not accept the bug report. Sigh...
Soon after that, Linux became my main OS.
(I actually made a patch for smbclient so that it would not kill OS/2, but I never forwarded it to the Samba people).
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I have never heard of rsync, but I have a samba PDC in my basement. I'm not any hotrod Linux hacker or anything. My wife asked me how come she didnt see the same favorites on both computers?
;)
I made it so.
I'm a good husband.
Besides, these things are not just toys right? It was damn easy. Buying as much as an NT server still costs no less than $500 on ebay. samba cost about 5 minutes in FTP to get the latest for RedHat. On my K6-233 Asus tx97x its flawless. Flawless i say.
Ramble on.
Everytime I login I feel a little geekdom. Everytime my wife *doesen't* complain about the computer I feel like THE MAN. You see in my house I am Bill Gates. If windows breaks, I get the blame. If Linux is too confusing, I get the blame. So what we have here is the best of both worlds. BTW, i used to get pissed at the IT department for taking so long to launch new OSes. Now I am about to take XP off my computer because its loosing faxes and the printer dont work on it, etc... Its affecting my love life
Wrong, several UNIX variants had (or have) Y2K issues. For some systems it was just user level programs that had problems, for some it was much more serious requiring updates to the system libraries or kernel.
back in 1998 I was working for a HP VAR. We had several customers who could not upgrade their systems from HP-UX 9. Unfortunately HP's Y2K "solution" for HP-UX 9 was upgrading to HPUX 10 or 11. Most of these users were planning on setting the system clocks back 32 years.
There were a number of vile hacks put into place to get us past Y2K such as pivot dates and setting system clocks back. Hopefully these hacks won't come back to haunt us in a few years.
Happy Fun Ball is for external use only.
Gee, now I'm really surprised...
-- Reality checks don't bounce.
tridge is a god.
With the quality of modern computer systems, and the rate at which they're being updated - do you honestly forsee yourself running any of your current machines a decade from now? Certainly not in any form of mission-critical applications, I'd wager. My screaming fast Athlon XP with DDR RAM will likely be relegated to a backup DNS server by that point, providing it's still alive of course.
So two decades from now - what will we be running? Likely our 'antiques' will be hardware purchased in or about the year 2012. Judging by AMD's Processor Roadmap, we'll be seeing the [Claw/Sledge]Hammer procssors within a year or two, and based on the proliferation of current processors (PII/P4, ThunderBird/Athlon/Athlon XP) I'd bet they'll be either commonplace or outdated by 2012.
There will come a day when 64-bit on the desktop will be the 'norm', and there will be weirdos {cough} still running "Those really old 32-bit processors", just like we now have people running C=64s. :)
UNIX will be prepared for its D-Day with more than a decade of breathing room; mark my words.
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> In 50 years time I doubt anyone would have ever heard of Samba, but they'll probably be using rsync in one way or another
Think so? The Univac was state of the art in 1952. Considering that the progress of technology is accelerating over time (check out The History of Computing Timeline), do you really think that the ideas behind rsync are going to be relevant? Network throughput is already getting massive. If we could fast-forward to 2052, I imagine we would barely recognize the technologies in use.
Do you think that Turing could have even fathomed performing a billion operations a second and having a almost a terrabyte of storage available and (almost) accessible anywhere on the planet at megabit data transfer rates? In our homes? For an inflation adjusted price of under $100? You have to be kidding me -- it would have blown his mind.
In 2052 CPU power will be effectively unlimited (imagine doing a billion billion operations per second), storage constraints meaningless, and, if networking trends continue and/or quantum plays out (as it may), effectively instantaneous access to that data.
Think we'll still be diff-ing data to squeeze the most out of the net? In 2052 that is the last thing we'll be bothering with.
All this only hold true of course if we assume that technology will improve as fast as it historically has and that we don't hit a cataclysmic end to human progress in general (plague, nuclear armageddon, etc). But if the last 50 years have been any indication, what we will see in 2052 will bare little resemblance to what we have in 2002.
> Think so? [...]
Oh, and I forgot to add, Samba rocks, rsync rocks, and Andrew Tridgell rocks. I don't mean at all to take away from the contributions of an amazing individual in the open source movement.
I must take some exception to the poster to suggest that was a GREAT interview. Yawn. It left me somewhere between less than satisfied and really, really, dissatisfied. This is hard-hitting news: the SMB protocol?
All this tells me is that we (computer industry) are still in our infancy if we need to create emulators to share files? We have to create an entire code-base to share files? We need to get way passed this and set some sort of standard. Samba's a good product, but it's just adds to the complexity: one more thing to break and one more thing to admin.
Anything with less than 100 comments was recieved less than favorably by the readers. This makes 99.
"Look. In twentieth-century Old Earth, a fast food chain took dead cow meat, fried it in grease, added carcinogens, wrapped it in petroleum-based foam, and sold nine hundred billion units. Human beings. Go figure."
"This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
"We observe the interaction between Windows boxes on the network, watch the packets (of data) going past, and then try sending that packet ourselves to see what happens. Sometimes we get a slap in the face, most times we get a coffee," he says.
It took me a second read to realize that asking for the "wrong thing" from your waitress might get you that proverbial slap in the face!
I believe it was fixed, in time to not cause any airplanes to drop out of the sky. Yes, it took insane media coverage and m/billions of dollars to do it. Really, (disregarding the media coverage), it would have taken the same to replace all those machines in the first place, twenty years ago.
innit
It's not that the processor can't count above 32-bits. There are 64-bit (or even higher) long long integers, and Java longs are also 64-bits. The difference is that for 64-bits on a 32-bit computer, the processor actually has to do the addition in two steps, once for each 32-bit dword. Unix programmers knew rightly that this is a little less efficient than straight 32-bit numbers, in addition to the fact that 64-bits takes twice as much memory. So they decided to go the efficient route, instead of the correct route.
There is nothing about 32-bit processors that prevents 64-bit datatypes from being emulated. Many Unixes are already migrating; the new time_t structures really are 64-bit. Java time, and I'm sure there's lots of other examples, is 64-bit as well.
- file ownership
- permissions
- symlinks
- special files (devices, etc)
- hard links
Great bit of software. Perhaps not as technically excellent as Samba, which is more complex, but very useful.I went through this as well.
I tried backing up any importatnt stuff and doing a reinstall, I thought that a "bug fix" broke it (like that ever happens
No go. The lost faxes, they weren't really lost, you just can't see them in the fax app.
Being a former Windows support tech I know how stupid some of the fixes can be, so I started mucking around.
It turns out that the fix for this was to move all of the faxes out of the outbox and inbox, then fire up the fax app and import them back in. I had to do this a few times before it imported all of the faxes back in. But it worked and has continued to work, so who cares.
Good luck.
Since NFS v4 isn't going to come along and fix any of the 1000 security problems that NFS has I wonder if we can convince the UNIX community to drop NFS entirely in favor of a secure file share ala SMB/CIFS.
UN*X doesn't have anything else that actually works in a scalable manor.
Is that with all that tremendous increase in power comes equally large increases in volume of data. When getting the weather report means downloading data every second or so from a few million collection devices around the world so that your GPS watch can run a global weather simulation to tell you what weather will be like throughout the day within a 1 mile radius, then yes, rsync (or its distant children) will still be quite useful!!
Not to mention fully volumetric video feeds.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Well, fifty years is a damn long time, so who knows.
:-) Check out his thesis at http://samba.org/~tridge.
That said, historically raw computing power has increased more rapidly than network bandwidth. Rsync is essentially about using compute power to save bandwidth, using hashes and checksums to avoid transferring unnecessary bytes. So the cost/benefit will likely still hold. The network may be faster, but the files will be bigger and the CPU will be faster still.
That said, rsync as a command-line utility will almost surely be gone, but the ideas in rsync may well migrate directly into the application layer or even the network stack. At least, it's more likely to be around than samba, which is a fantastic yet special purpose tool for a specialized problem (Windows compatible file-sharing).
Besides, tridge got his CompSci Ph.D. for his rsync work, so nobody should be surprised he's proud of it.
Matt
At the rate of DRM/Palladium/Whaever being pushed, yeah, maybe!
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No offense, but why the fsck would anyone do that? WHy not just install an app that works without that kind of brain damage?
Why do people keep working with micro$oft's inferior tools? It's like driving a car with a flat tire - technically possible, but a pita.
I agree - Y10K is the next big problem. In 7991 years and 2 months all the four digit dates will read 0000. I set up a website a while ago to solve this problem: www.parseerror.com/y10k/
As time goes on, things are changing slower and slower. It's easy to compare things to 50 years ago and say how different they are, but compare today to 20 years ago, and it's almost nothing. A guy from 1982 wouldn't be surprised by today's computers at all. Put me on ice and wake be up in '22, and things will look even less strange to me than they did to the '82 guy.
Legacies get established, and things just grind to a halt.
This doesn't mention that he's also the person who first did a lot of the tivo hacks that are out there. How can one person do so many good things?
Sig is taking a break!
The list of invitees read like the Fortune 500. Quietly, privately in June of 2000, an exclusive group of 20 people representing Hewlett Packard, Ford, Sony, General Motors, Whirlpool, General Electric and their trade associations gathered in Washington DC to meet with Attorney General Janet Reno and Deputy Treasury Secretary Stuart Eizenstat. The press was neither invited nor notified. The reason for the low profile meeting, and follow up sessions through the summer, was neither anti-trust policy nor some new tax proposal. Federal law enforcement was sharpening its focus on the flow of billions in narcotics money into legitimate commerce and trade. And for the first time, corporate America was worried about becoming targets in the thirty year "War on Drugs." "The meeting was called to try and educate companies about how they are being victimized in the drug money laundering process and to enlist their help," says Allan Doody of US Customs, who is on the US government's Black Market Peso Exchange Working Group. "The government realizes it cannot arrest its way out of this problem." The companies were invited to the meeting at Main Justice based on a government analysis of what products show up in Colombia as part of the black market peso system. Most of these companies know they're getting paid with money from the black market. In recent years, many large US businesses have been warned by US government officials to change the way they do business in Colombia and other Latin American and Caribbean nations because they had received "black peso" dollars, according to Customs and DEA officials. The companies become involved when international money brokers, working in league with drug traffickers, sell cheap American dollars, proceeds of the drug trade, to Colombian importers of appliances, cigarettes, liquor and other products. They use those dollars to buy legitimate goods in the United States from top US companies and their distributors. The money brokers often pay for the goods in strange ways, like wire transfers from unrelated third parties, which should set off some kind of alarm among the legitimate companies, according to the US Department of Treasury. The government has undertaken hundreds of civil actions to seize portions of bank accounts of US companies because money in those accounts was linked to the laundering of drug proceeds. In some instances the government has been successful in holding on to the money; in others, the companies have been able to get their money back after arguing in court that they couldn't have known about the source of the funds. Some companies insist that they are helpless to stop the payments, which often come through a distributor. When the problem came to the attention of General Electric, however, it began actively negotiating with the government about ways to address the problem. "Our concern about the Black Market Peso Exchange grew in the 1990's, specifically when a New York Times story in December of 1995, discussed new ways of money laundering that referred to GE refrigerators as one method," says Scott Gilbert, a lawyer for General Electric. "GE is considered to be a good corporate citizen," says Allan J. Doody of US Customs. "They have gone out of their way to be a leader in this process." Another company that has become tangled with the drug money issue is Phillip Morris. In 1995, in Federal District Court in San Juan, Puerto Rico, Phillip Morris's former distributors in northern South America were indicted for laundering $40 million in black market pesos. One of the defense lawyers said the defendants didn't know the money was drug profits. Phillip Morris severed its relationship with the defendants and stated it didn't know black market pesos were used to buy their products. In 2000, Phillip Morris was sued by Colombian tax collectors accusing the company of being involved in cigarette smuggling and in the laundering of drug money. Phillip Morris has denied the allegations and stated it was unaware that its products were being used in money laundering. Later in 2000, without admitting wrongdoing, the company signed an agreement with Colombia, pledging to prevent its products from entering the black market or being used in money laundering. When companies have money frozen, some do not contest it; some settle out of court and some choose to allow the government to keep at least part of the money that was traced to illegal activity. Others go to court and fight rather than negotiate. In a recent US Customs case based out of Mobile, Alabama, the affidavit shows the freezing of $335,800 from a Bell Helicopter bank account at the Chase Manhattan Bank. Bell Helicopter is currently fighting the seizure in court and has stated in court documents that they do not believe the money to be drug money and, if it is proven to be drug money, that they are unwitting victims in the the Black Market Peso Exchange (BMPE). US Customs, DEA and other government officials say that they find it difficult to believe that some employees of these companies, especially those closest to the transactions, do not know that the money in their accounts was coming from the BMPE. In most of these cases, the illegal money was wired into the bank accounts by multiple third parties in small amounts, or the money was received through third party checks, neither of which are common business practices in the United States. "Law enforcement and these companies are on a collision course right now because there's a legal principle called Willful Blindness, which means if you totally disregard all the facts and circumstances that would lead you to believe and know that this is illegal money, that's the same as knowing it's illegal money," says former IRS investigator Michael McDonald. "So what's the responsibility of these companies when they know they're getting paid with black market dollars? Most of these companies know that they're getting paid with money that comes from the black market. And the black market is fueled by the drug trade." By all estimates the BMPE -- really a network of brokers with offices in Miami and New York and in South America -- has spurred US exports transforming the balance of payments between the US and Colombia to US advantage. Last year, the US enjoyed a $4 billion surplus in exports to the beleaguered nation. "What are we going to do?" asks Greg Passic, a veteran DEA official who pioneered international money laundering investigations. "We've got the Fortune 500 involved in our drug money laundering process. In some ways we are getting some of our drug monies at least back into our economy. But that's a dilemma. Now what do we do?" The US government last year began a campaign to educate US manufacturers and distributors that they risk forfeiture and possible indictment if they are caught knowingly participating in the black market money laundering schemes. The US government encouraged companies such as General Electric to adopt stricter controls over their distributors and "know your customer" policies similar to those now in place in the bank and insurance industries. "For the past two years, US Customs and other agencies have worked diligently to educate the US manufacturing and export communities about this form of money laundering," says US Customs Service Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly. "To their credit, many major US companies have begun taking action to guard against the Black Market Peso Exchange." But that action can have negative business consequences. General Electric says that their customers are their distributors. They told FRONTLINE that they imposed new policies with their distributors, including not allowing distributors to export out of the country. As a result, their sales to South Florida between 1995 and 1999 decreased by about 25 percent. "We have even had to terminate some of our distributors for not complying with the policy of not exporting from their area," says Scot Gilbert of GE. Whirlpool at one point stopped exporting any appliances to Colombia because of the money laundering system. They now will sell only to their own licensed distributor in Colombia. Many US companies balk at the government's efforts because they say they cannot control every distributor in America or prevent them from re-selling their products for export to South America. But the government has put these companies on notice that, once educated, they cannot claim to not know about the BMPE and that the source of the funds was illegitimate. Some large companies have signed agreements stating that they are now aware of the BMPE and will institute preventive measures, according government sources. Once they have signed this document, they will not be able to claim innocence if their money is seized again.
...actually, I am amazed. Not only from the technology, but the magnitude of changes. Remember, in 1982, PCs didn't exist. Think Commodore PET. Think the Internet. Think Ethernet. Think 56K modems. Think hard drives (they were for mainframes only. a removable 100MB disc pack for the Cyber computer at the UW was quite large. The external drive was roughly the size of a dishwasher. And they had quite a few at the UW... I was also there when they finally took it apart). 4MHz was about it for your 6502-based or Z80-based computers. 4K RAM was a LOT. LCDs? No, the cool thing was LED displays for electronics. You never had an LED watch from Texas Instruments. A lot of other things haven't changed, but computers, especially the extent that things have reached into so many corners of modern life, is amazing.
The following may be dated, but as far as I know it is still accurate. Time is stored in many fields that we cannot simply change on a recompile for all sorts of reasons, like binary compatibility in your filesystem.
Yes, Linux compiled on 64-bit platforms has Y2038 problems still.
Furthermore even if it was as easy as you say, we still would want a better solution. One second granularity made sense with 1970's hardware. It doesn't make nearly as much sense today. If you are going to 64-bits anyways, then there is no reason not to come up with a solution that stores timestamps to the nearest millionth of a second, even if it is only good for the next few hundred thousand years.
I had the privilege, along with a few other enthusiastic first years, of being informally tutored by tridge. I still regard him as the best lecturer/tutor/university-person I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. He was always quite happy to explain anything, even to lowly first years that weren't even in his unit (he took Operating Systems in that year) and who had no right to rock up to his office, unannounced, and ask long boring questions. Rather than complaining he `didn't have time for it' and `why didn't we go read a textbook' he'd suggest we go and have a cup of (black, strong) coffee in the staff common room and explain patiently making the whole topic sound interesting.
:-)
In fact, thinking about it now I kinda wish I'd got his autograph... Oh well.
--
Tom Rowlands
(Sorry, I can't sign this.)
But actually the true doomsday is not until about 2100, because this is only for *signed* 32-bit integers. If you assumme unsigned then you get twice as long from 1970 before it overflows. You can also do "sliding window" hacks like those proposed for Y2K that will allow code that relies on negative values to work as long as the negative value is not too big.
Another reason that this is not a problem is that the 1-second resolution is increasingly becoming a problem and I expect virtually all uses of time in Unix to be replaced before then with some higher-resolution thing. Hopefully when this is done they will add enough extra bits so there is no overflow problem for many millenia. Probably 64 bits where 65536 is one second would be a good replacement. 64-bit IEEE floating point might also be good, it would allow short time intervals to be accurate to less than Plank time and allow Universe-age time intervals to be represented with a fraction of a second of accuracy, though the fact that addition is not communative might make people not want to use this.
Does anyone have empirical evaluations of deltas (including, but not necessarily limited to, rproxy) on today's workloads?
Mencken had it right. So glad that's old news.
Slow down turbo.
:-)
Fifty years ago people thought that we all would be flying around in personal airplanes by now.
It's not usually valid to stretch a trend out beyond a decade. Unlike the last 20 years of computing, we are running into the fundamental limits of physics: the size of the atom and the speed of light. Not saying that we won't come up with something clever.
A speech...
in 2052, my 3 year old nephew will be considered one of the old school hackers because he worked on a then slow, 65Ghz Pentium XII with 128TB of PC(2^32) RDRAM
and loves it still.
He'll live long and die happy I think.
A quick grep of Samba 2.2.5 reveals this:
/* we don't support these - and CANCEL_LOCK makes w2k
if (locktype & (LOCKING_ANDX_CANCEL_LOCK | LOCKING_ANDX_CHANGE_LOCKTYPE)) {
and XP reboot so I don't really want to be
compatible! (tridge) */
return ERROR_NT(NT_STATUS_NOT_SUPPORTED);
}
until the year 300647712690. In other words approx. 280 billion years
:-D
:-D
Congratulations, you have just been selected for the ultimate geek award!
Hint: people that don't know about 1024 would have probably said either 300 billion years or 301 billion years.
It'd be enough to change integers to unsigned integers in the meanwhile IMHO. We'd count 'till 2106 then ...
b4n
Is there a better way to let users mount network partitions than using samba?
1982
The Motorola 68000 had been around for 3 years. The IBM PC was on the market. Commodore's big machine was the C=64. 64K microcomputers were commonplace and larger systems had a megabyte. 5 1/4" internal hard drives had been on the market for two years.
You need to go back a little more than 20 years to put on your cranky old man hat.
The less you understand the more you should know.
My troll was much more obvious than you're troll!
Oh wait, your not trolling...
(Psst... I know your trolling. I love you're method. Now you write back, but don't let everybody else know...)
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
So, you're either a troll, or a...
... Which is still a troll
You shouldn't have had to asked if I was troll in the first place. I made it about as blatently fucking obvious the first time. You sir, need to develop some convictions.
I bet when you were in high school or college (if you're not still in school) you didn't clue in that a lack of eye contact really meant she didn't want to dance with you. She's not shy, she's trying to ignore you in as polite a way as she can.
I can understand one wanting to hedge thier bets, but this is silly. I was obviously troll and NOT an 11 year old girl, but I said nothing, knowing you were playing it safe (despite blatent clues)
This time, you have no other option, but to conclude that I'm a very blatent troll.
So, you're either a troll, or a
If you had any convictions, you wouldn't have made it to the ", or a", even if the other option boils down to being a troll. It's superfluous and just plain silly!
Earth and Justice to You, Fucko!
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
It's kind of amusing to use high-class trolling techniques, such as rhetorical statements and sarcasm, on someone whose ability to comprehend is as limited as yours. My original post was not "playing it safe" - I knew you weren't an 11-year old girl. That's the "rhetorical" bit, when you grow up and become a real troll, you might want to look into that.
Anyway, I can't help a sneaking suspicion that you really are impressed by FAO Schwarz, in which case you're emotionally an 11-year old girl, if not physically. So I guess my message worked on multiple levels. I'm even more of a genius than I originally thought I was! M4d propz to me!
If you had any convictions, you wouldn't have made it to the ", or a", even if the other option boils down to being a troll. It's superfluous and just plain silly!
Kind of like your first message? I dunno, I thought mine was original, in a sort of blatant stereotypical knock off brand of original. If both conclusions lead to the same thing, what does that tell you? Wouldn't that be sort of a clue? Perhaps a little too subtle...
Anyhow, I can only assume that with your stratospheric user ID, you're still learning the ropes. I look forward to the day when you join the ranks of the great trolls of /. I'm sure it'll be a few years yet, but probably by the time the UIDs reach the millions, you'll do it. I have complete faith in you. In the meantime, just try a bit harder, willya?
Oh, and try not to break character so easily, too. It's always depressing to see that in a young troll...
Instead of spreading you're trademark joylessness.
I'll be looking forward to your meaningless lack of insight.
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
Do you usually feed the trolls until they puke? This isn't fun anymore. I don't like it, so I give up.
You're too clever and persistant for me, especially with your German poetry, which I had to translate with Babelfish.
I tired of trying to be evil. You sir/madame are truly wise as a snake and as harmless as a dove.
I was going to go into some pointless rant on how truely insightful trolls have a cause, but I don't care anymore. I just want to go back to work.
Thanks for sucking the joy out of trolling for me...
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce