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Geoprofiling Moves Into The Limelight

circletimessquare writes "Interesting and timely. A short piece at CNN talks about the software helping to track down the sniper currently terrorizing the Washington DC area. It was the doctoral thesis of a cop, Kim Rossmo, who developed it while walking the beat in Vancouver and reading about the hunting patterns of African lions. Googling, I found an older but deeper piece which mentions more of the tech behind the software, called Rigel. That led me to the website of ECRI, the company that makes Rigel. More good tech there."

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  1. saw this on TLC by twiggy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was a great special on this software on TLC not that long ago. Basically, they were able to calculate the odds of the suspect living and/or acting in a certain area based on where the crimes were, etc.

    They ended up catching the killer, and he was a cop!

    From discussions I'm seeing about these shootings, it may very well be a cop or someone in the armed forces. The ballistics of the gun/ammo being used just don't fit right since people are saying they don't hear the shots, or don't hear very loud shots, so people are theorizing that there's special subsonic rounds being used to minimize noise - not easy to find with these types of bullets, from what I gather.. But I dont' know a lot about guns, so.. yeah...

    Anyhow if I remember the name of the TLC special I'll post it here, it was on recently enough that it will probably be on again soon.

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    1. Re:saw this on TLC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Subsonic bullets would negate the entire reason for the .223, namely the extra powder charge. The point of the rifle bullet is to fly very fast. Most likely they didn't hear loud shots because the urban environment is actually very noisy.

    2. Re:saw this on TLC by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 2, Informative
      since people are saying they don't hear the shots, or don't hear very loud shots, so people are theorizing that there's special subsonic rounds being used to minimize noise - not easy to find with these types of bullets, from what I gather

      If the shooter was a fair (300 yards+) distance away, the sound would be less, due to the distance. As well, I would imagine the clutter associated with an urban area would play havoc with the echo. As well, the bullet would arrive before the gunshot sound unless it was a subsonic round, which I have never seen, and agree that they must be more difficult to find, especially in the caliber the shooter is using, .223, a round that relies on high velocity to be effective.

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    3. Re:saw this on TLC by spoonist · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is possible to put a suppressor on a .223 rifle. This would make it much harder to identify, by sound, from where the shot originated. BTW, you don't have to "find" subsonic .223 rounds, you can just reload.

    4. Re:saw this on TLC by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no such thing as a subsonic .223 round, but not because of the reason you gave. The long .223 case means that if you lessen the charge any (which is what is done to produce subsonic ammo) then the powder can move around in the case, thus causing problems iwth ignition and firing. There is a solution, which uses a necked down .338 case which is shorter, but that's further offtopic. Also, making a subsonic .223 round does NOT negate its purpose, as then you have a subsonic projectile that still has good armor piercing ballistics (as opposed to a subsonic 9mm or .45 round, which would literally bounce off body armor)

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    5. Re:saw this on TLC by Happy+go+Lucky · · Score: 5, Interesting
      From discussions I'm seeing about these shootings, it may very well be a cop or someone in the armed forces. The ballistics of the gun/ammo being used just don't fit right since people are saying they don't hear the shots, or don't hear very loud shots, so people are theorizing that there's special subsonic rounds being used to minimize noise - not easy to find with these types of bullets, from what I gather..

      Easy enough to make, though. It's not uncommon for hunters or competitive shooters to load their own ammunition at home. To make a slower bullet, just use less powder. (Okay, it's a tiny bit more complex than that, but you see the general idea.)

      Also, it's not hard to mistake the sound of a gunshot for something else, and especially not in an urban area. A month or so ago, I took a complaint of a guy whose truck had been shot. With some sort of .30-caliber solid-construction bullet, original weight above 200 grains, and probably faster than 2700 feet per second from the muzzle based upon the deformation. If you don't know what that means, that's a damn loud round. I try and shoot an elk with a round like that every year, and thank god for Peltor earmuffs. Anyway, almost nobody in the neighborhood remembers a gunshot. However, everybody remembers a car backfiring fairly loudly. Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't believe in them.

      So, you see where I'm going with this? It's easy to mistake the sound of a gunshot for something else if you don't know much about them. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess that people in an area where private firearm ownership is almost nonexistant (like much of the DC area) may not know what they did or didn't hear.

    6. Re:saw this on TLC by Happy+go+Lucky · · Score: 3, Insightful
      D'oh! Didn't think about reloading. I've never done it, though it would probably save me some $$ in the long run. And are those silencers available to the general public or are they law enforcement only?

      Federally, they're very tightly restricted under the 1934 National Firearms Act. However, it is theoretically possible for private citizens to own them.

      State laws may be more restrictive. I'm willing to bet that the state/local laws in DC and Maryland are a LOT more restrictive.

      Someone with evil intent can probably make one easily enough. Most of us already have one on our cars: What do you think mufflers do?

    7. Re:saw this on TLC by Disoculated · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, they DON'T decrease the powder charge to make a round subsonic, they increase the mass of the bullet. Force=Mass*Velocity. That way the energy being delivered is the same and the firearm action still cycles properly (if you decrease the energy of the system, the mainspring will prevent the bolt from moving far enough back to cycle the action, and the firearm will malfunction). At least that's the way it is for commercial/military weapons.


      But, of course, ANY round you think of probably exists on some wildcatter's bench somewhere, as well as a gun to make to do something you wouldn't expect. Many .45 and 9mm (and .22, and .50, and .30, etc etc etc) silencers use baffles to drop the speed of the otherwise supersonic round to subsonic, and there's no reason a similar device made in anyone's garage can't be used on a .223. There's also no reason that a home reloader can't make an underpowered load and use it in a bolt action or put a silly-weak mainspring in his gun. Saying there's no such thing as a subsonic .223 is silly, they almost certainly exist somewhere.


      However, since the whole concept of the 5.56mm as a military round (as compared to .223 commercial) is a high-velocity, high-accuracy round that tumbles when it goes below the speed of sound (resulting in awful terminal ballistic performance, but wonderful energy transferral to a target), I'd have to say that you can't fault the original poster all that much. Guess they weren't specific enough. Then again, it's impossible to be specific enough when talking about guns... no matter what you say someone will always point out that in circumstances X your case Y will be incorrect. Like I'm now doing to you and you did to the original poster.


      Noteable also that a 9mm or .45 subsonic will do just as well at going through body armor as they normally do, which is poorly. The energy in the system is still the same as when using higher velocity, lower mass rounds, which also happens to be the amount of energy that a kevlar vest is designed to absorb. Rifle energy loads, either high velocity or high mass, will still usually zip right through them.

    8. Re:saw this on TLC by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some of the things you said just aren't true. As an experienced handloader and target shooter, let me help you out: Subsonic .223 rounds (which is really to say, a loading that propels a .224 [22 cal] projectile) do exist for ANY common weight of 22 caliber bullet, from 40 grains to 70 grains. My friend who has a Thompson Contender in .223 makes such loads for shooting on an indoor pistol range where supersonic loads are forbidden. The problem is to find a stable loading for the rate of twist of the barrel, mass and shape of bullet, and other factors. Many, many loadings don't fill the brass all the way up. The primer will cause all powder to detonate whether next to the primer or at the other end of the case, there's plenty of time for that until the bullet leaves the weapon (pressure should build uniformly until that happens). Using a fast burning powder, you may have mostly space in the cartridge, while a slower one may fill it just about all the way up.

    9. Re:saw this on TLC by PizzaFace · · Score: 2, Informative
      people are saying they don't hear the shots, or don't hear very loud shots

      I don't know where you read that. A witness near the school shooting heard a loud pow, and some people inside a restaurant heard the gunshot near a gas station tonight (if that was the sniper), and several other witnesses reported hearing loud bangs in other attacks. (The Washington Post website has been down for the last couple hours, or I'd find a source or two.)

      He may be wearing a cloak of invisibility, but his rifle isn't silent.

    10. Re:saw this on TLC by Pii · · Score: 2
      It is not only theortically possible, but actually exists in practice.

      You correctly cite the 1934 NFA. In order to satisfy the requirements of the NFA, you simply have to pay the transfer tax ($200), which also serves as a de facto registration.

      I know a number of people here in VA that have silencers (but I don't know anyone that has one for their AR-15). I have been shooting with a number of the folks from ar15.com.

      That said, I doubt that this guy is utilizing a surpressor. To be effective, a silencer needs to be utilized with subsonic ammunition. One of the characteristics of subsonic ammunition is the dramatically reduced muzzle velocity of the round. Reducing the muzzle velocity that degree with 5.56mm (.223 Remington) would totally destroy the ballistic properties of the weapon, dramatically reducing the effective range of the rifle (due to the loss of accuracy).

      This guy is a good shooter. He hits with a single shot. He's taking his shots from 200-300 yards away (most likely), perhaps even further. He needs the accuracy. From that distance, this is not even a difficult shot to make with this type of weapon.

      In the Marine Corps Known Distance Course, the fifth stage of fire is at the "Able target," a 12" black circle representing the head of an enemy soldier, from the 300 yard line. This stage is fired from the sitting position (essentially Indian style). From the prone position, it would be a cake walk. Hitting a human target center mass from this distance would be a trivial exercise, especially when you consider that Marines shoot at a similar sized target from the 500 yards line during their training, and marksmanship qualifications.

      From that distance, the origin of the sound would be very difficult to pinpoint. Depending on the level of ambiant noise in the environment, it might not even be noticed. The shooters concern would probably be about people hearing him from near to the shooting position. He simply has to be selective when choosing the shooting location, and ensure that he has a good avenue of escape. It seems that so far, he has made good choices. (Further evidence of his professionalism, and military training... He could be a local. Marine Sniper School is right here, at Quantico, VA, 15 miles north of Fredericksburg, 30 miles south of DC, and 12 miles from Manassas.)

      I'm not making light of what is going on. I'm here in the area. I work all over DC, and the surrounding areas, and live 3 miles from the Michael's craft store where the Lady was hit last Thursday. My wife has dragged me into that store countless times, and we do most of our shopping up and down that street (Rt. 3).

      I'd love to say that I think they're on the brink of catching him, but because of my background, my guess is that it's going to take a while. This guy is very good, from a technical perspective, and because of the randomness of his targets, there's no good way to predict the site of his next assault.

      If you factor in the media's itiotic reporting of Police procedures, such as blabbing about the geographic profiling, it makes his job that much easier. He can easily alter his locations to make that software totally worthless.

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  2. If only life was like UT2003... by davidstrauss · · Score: 5, Funny

    we'd have a trail from every shot of the sniper.

    1. Re:If only life was like UT2003... by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

      More importantly, if life was like UT2003, we could shoot back...

      I'm pretty sure, under these circumstances, that shooting back would be just fine.

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  3. Ruining the Model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesn't awareness of the geoprofiling model by the suspect make the model less accurate, or is there something built into it that takes this into account?

    1. Re:Ruining the Model by bjohnson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. This is based on the theory that most criminals (this technique is most often used with property crimes like burglary or armed robbery) like to work in familiar territory.

      Forcing them into unfamiliar territory to screw up the profiling them loses them the advantages of commiting crimes on known ground and makes it more likely they'll be seen/caught.

    2. Re:Ruining the Model by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll paraphrase an expert I saw on tv (god, I feel ignorant saying that!): "There is a balance between the criminal's desire to remain anonymous and his desire to operate in his comfort zone." A knowledgeable criminal may try to "game" the profile, but it seems to me that he would still need to operate within his comfort zone. If he strays too far away, that causes other problems for him: he's an outsider, he generates hotel bills, he misses work, he's away from his family, etc.

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    3. Re:Ruining the Model by kbielefe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      There was a quote on this same story on the news last night that said something to the effect of "The criminal's trying to be unpredictable is exactly what makes him predictable". In other words, humans attempt unpredictability in predictable ways.

      My theory on the criminal mind is that people who would be smart enough to indefinitely outsmart detectives in a crime are generally smart enough to reason themselves out of committing the crime in the first place. And most of the "criminal geniuses" become to cocky for their own good.

      This sniper's weakness is that he is going to do it again. And every time he does, we will get closer to catching him. People without the willpower to stop themselves from doing it the first time certainly don't have the willpower to stop themselves subsequently.

      Unplanned murders are generally messy and planned murders are done by people not entirely in their right mind. That is why this guy is going to be caught.

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    4. Re:Ruining the Model by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 2

      I think this guy will basically be caught in the act. Sooner or later someone will hear or see him take the shot. We may see a big mob chase like what happened with the Night Stalker in California in the 80's. This assumes, of course, that he keeps killing.

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    5. Re:Ruining the Model by dario_moreno · · Score: 2


      so what if the criminal uses a random number generator ? I used one to defeat an arguably "smart" paper-scissors-rock program which would determinate patterns in the human behavior.

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    6. Re:Ruining the Model by ocbwilg · · Score: 2

      This sniper's weakness is that he is going to do it again. And every time he does, we will get closer to catching him. People without the willpower to stop themselves from doing it the first time certainly don't have the willpower to stop themselves subsequently.

      I'm not sure that that is the case this time. You've probably fallen into the trap of considering this person a typical serial killer. With a typical serial killer you've got a pattern of compulsion and escalation, but I don't see either here. I don't think that this killer feels driven to kill, I think that he wants to kill of his own free will.

      What we're seeing is also the result of careful, methodical planning. We've got a case where there was a shooting about a week and a half ago, followed a few days later by 6 shootings in less than 24 hours, followed by a single shooting every couple days thereafter. There's not really been any escalation per se, unlike most serial killer cases.

      What's more, the shooter obviously has a great deal of discipline. The shots that he's making aren't impossible, but without a great deal of training they wouldn't be successful so often. So that points to a current/former policeman or soldier. Either that, or someone who wanted to take the time to train for their mission. Either way, it's all far beyond your typical impulse-driven killers. I think that the killer could probably stop if he wanted to, but that he won't as long as he doesn't feel threatened (and lets face it, unless there are some latent prints on that .223 shell they found then he won't be feeling threatened). With most serial killers there is a period of association or stalking with a victim before the death. There are myriad opportunities to leave all kinds of evidence at the scene or with the victim. Serial killers also tend to take trophies from their kills. Neither of those is the case with the sniper. He's almost indifferent to his victims and whether they live or die, which leads me to wonder if his goal is really to kill people or if it is just to stir up fear in the terrorist tradition. I think that we'll all be very suprised when we find out who the shooter really is.

    7. Re:Ruining the Model by ocbwilg · · Score: 2

      Now let's piss in the "geoprofiling" corn flakes:

      Anyone remember the "Happyface Mailbox Bomber" that was running around a few months ago?

  4. media and the software by SeanWithoutPants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd be somewhat curious if letting the media know that they're currently using this technique to catch the sniper is a good thing. It seems like this guy (or gal) loves the media attention and would certainly hear of this-although given how many times he has shot people in the last few days, I'd imagine it would still be very helpful. Would "security through obscurity" be a good thing here?

    1. Re:media and the software by jnik · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Would "security through obscurity" be a good thing here?
      Questionable. As with any technique designed to discover patterns in human nature, the focus already is on the aggregate, on how people tend to behave. There's going to be deviation no matter what. A good model accounts for this. A good detective understands the nature of the model and its limitations.

      Take a look at the second article: Rossmo puts emphasis on certain locations based on his psychological assumptions about the quarry. At the same time, he discards or discounts other locations that he believes might skew his findings. This is just one tool in his arsenal: an important one, but other tools feed data in and yet others interpret what comes out. Sounds like the way to go.

    2. Re:media and the software by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 2

      he discards or discounts other locations that he believes might skew his findings

      When they first announced the use of this system for this case, reporters asked over and over "But won't the shooting way down in Virginia skew the results?" They obviously thought it was some simple formula computing a centroid or something. The cop didn't want to give away details, but anyone with an ounce of sense could see that the Virginia shooting was a statistical anomally (not that they would rule out the possibility that that was the ONE shooting near the shooter's home, either.) It's just a tool, folks.

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    3. Re:media and the software by Hangtime · · Score: 2

      I love reporters and their idiocy sometimes. Some of them have should have skipped one of those journalism classes and taken a stats course. Its called outliers folks, statistical anamolies, all experiments have them. Any program, formula, or experiment that does not compensate for them are worthless in the first place. Yea, this dude could go somewhere else, but their is no such thing as complete randomness; models will always return to some pattern.

    4. Re:media and the software by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      Would "security through obscurity" be a good thing here?

      I saw a cop on CNN say she wouldn't release any suspected description, because if it was off, everyone would be looking for someone who matched it and would be more likely to ignore someone who didn't. So this is an example of security through obscurity adding value.

    5. Re:media and the software by plover · · Score: 2
      The basic principle of the geographic profiling is that a human predator hunts in an area where they have a comfort level (they know the neighbourhood) but not so close as to implicate their lair.

      I wonder if that means the bad guy is shooting victims in some of his old haunts? It's not like the D.C. police (or even the FBI) knows everyone's past lives, but if there's a person watching the news who says to himself, "Joe and I went to that school when we were growing up! And hey, that lady was shot at the gas station where Joe used to work..."

      I would suspect that's what they're hoping for with publicising geoprofiling. If this can get a friend or neighbor to tip them, it worked.

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  5. Will it work when everybody knows... by f97tosc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Clearly the principles of the software are very sound - and the product has been used successfully in the past.

    However, now media is writing extensively about the software and the algorithms involved. A shrewd killer could use such information. He could think again about where to act, perhaps selecting sites at random, or selectively so that they would mislead the program.

    Tor

    1. Re: Will it work when everybody knows... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2


      > However, now media is writing extensively about the software and the algorithms involved. A shrewd killer could use such information. He could think again about where to act, perhaps selecting sites at random, or selectively so that they would mislead the program.

      I think picking random sites would actually provide more information, though I can imagine other spoofs that (might) work.

      Think of it as an optimization problem.

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    2. Re: Will it work when everybody knows... by f97tosc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think picking random sites would actually provide more information

      Randomness is the opposite of information. If the sites are truly selected at random, then nothing can be infered from it (other than possibly that the killer is using a randomizing algorithm).

      Of course, if the algorithm is 'a random place within 10 miles of my house', then it does not work, because then the locations are not very random.

      Tor

    3. Re: Will it work when everybody knows... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2


      > Of course, if the algorithm is 'a random place within 10 miles of my house', then it does not work, because then the locations are not very random.

      Precisely. And s/he can hardly operate without some such constraint, eh?

      Attempts at randomness might not yield anything more than a false sense of security.

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    4. Re: Will it work when everybody knows... by Discoflamingo13 · · Score: 2

      At that rate, would-be serial killers who defy the software would have to be experts in Mathematics, Physics, or Computer Science (to know about how to make things truly random) - narrowing down the pool of available candidates for serial-killer-hood. Once again, a sufficient application of information theory saves the day - or makes math/physics/cs people likely targets for no reason, again.

  6. It's a fine theory... by cryptochrome · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but don't brag about it until/unless it helps you crack the case.

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    1. Re: It's a fine theory... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful


      > but don't brag about it until/unless it helps you crack the case.

      Supposedly in another recent case it yeilded a point across the street from the perpetrator's residence.

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  7. Re:This is scary by bjohnson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually this isn't new, nore is it all that freaking scary.

    It's a technique that's been in use for a long long time by police departments, only with a less quantitative aspect. But they dind't call it 'geographic profiling' they called it 'sticking pushpins into the map'...

    They're not *tracking* people, they're entering crime data into a GIS.

  8. The pattern stops here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It all sounds good, but when i read this "Currently, Rigel runs only on a Sun Microsystems UltraSparc workstation. But ECRI is reprogramming it for use on Windows NT workstations and servers".

    It all lost it's beauty.

    You're running low on virtual memory, pick a smaller town, fewer crimes or reboot yur machine

  9. A Computerized Profiling technology I'll Support by doc_brown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There has been alot of talk and show these days about all those new computerized profiling technologies. (Face recoginition, et al.)

    Finally, here is one that I think is right on the money.

    Here is one that makes the computer just another tool in the policeman's tool box. This is in sharp contrast to present trends. For now the computer is helping solve the crimes and prevent future crimes, but it's not laying the blame on people who have yet to commit a crime.

    I know this is mostly due to how the creator uses his experience, but (IMHO) that's what makes this soo nice.

  10. More links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  11. But how good is it? by Luddite+Slayer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Geo-profilers claim their methods have helped detectives solve about half of the 450

    How many of those would have been solved without the program? I'd like to see a head-to-head, although I assume most police forces don't have the manpower to devote 2 seperate teams to the same crimes.

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    1. Re:But how good is it? by topham · · Score: 2

      How many would have been solved in the same length of time without it. Thats the real question.

      If using the software increases the amount of time to solving an otherwise solvable case then the software is flawed. If it reduces the time to solve it enough to save 1 person then the software, in my mind, is worth it. Even if it only helps solve 10% of such investigations, As long as it does not further hinder others.

    2. Re:But how good is it? by NickB2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > How many of those would have been solved
      > without the program? I'd like to see a
      > head-to-head, although I assume most
      > police forces don't have the manpower to
      > devote 2 seperate teams to the same
      > crimes.

      I don't think an increase in the proportion of crimes solved is neccesarily the goal. The goal is to solve crimes more quickly. After all, this is just a more sophisticated version of the pegboard shown on every cop show.

      Faster solutions to serial murder and rape cases mean fewer victims, which is a good thing. They also mean that the same detectives can solve more crimes in a year, even if the rate of closed cases stays the same. So this software makes a city safer, and makes its police more efficiant; even if the proportion ofr crimes solved remains the same.

  12. When I go nuts, my perl script will foil them by IvyMike · · Score: 2

    Now that the word is out, potential serial killers just need a perl script that generates structured lat/long pairs that mislead the FBI. I guess they're counting on most serial killers to be to crazy to think things out that much.

    1. Re:When I go nuts, my perl script will foil them by Dankling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats exactly the point, who in there right mind would go on a killing spree?

      Same when someone wants to commit suicide, they dont go to the observation deck on the Sears Tower then jump off, they dont care how they die, they just wanna die fast!

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    2. Re:When I go nuts, my perl script will foil them by f97tosc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even if the serial killers are rational enough to change their patterns, it is still (at least) a small win for the police. The killers will have to go outside their comfort zones, into areas with which they are less familiar and/or require more travel.

      Tor

  13. Not subsonic with a .223 by typical+geek · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's a real small bullet, about as big as a .22 we all grew up with. In order for it to be lethal, it needs to be shot at about 1000 mps (Mach 3 ish).

    It's probably a disaffected, over intellectual loner in high school or college with an M-14 or a bolt action .223 hunting rifle with a scope, who's taking out his feeling of inadequacy and powerlessness against random people. Needless to say, he's never been laid, either.

    Hmm, I just described half of Slashdot. I hope you have your alibis

    1. Re:Not subsonic with a .223 by Hieronymous+Cowherd · · Score: 3, Informative

      M-14's not .223, it's 7.62 NATO (.308 Winchester). I think you may be thinking of M-16, which does fire 5.56 NATO. The Mini-14 (which you also might have confused the M-14 with) is also a .223 rifle, but not nearly as accurate as a sniper would need. I'd vote for some variant of Remington 700, for accuracy's sake. However, an accurized AR-pattern rifle might well do the job. Were this sniper using an M-14, there'd likely not be the survivor that there is - the 7.62 round is much more lethal.

    2. Re:Not subsonic with a .223 by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nonono, this is clearly the work of some godless hippie liberal who hates America. Clearly the only solution is to invade Iraq!

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    3. Re:Not subsonic with a .223 by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

      Sadly, that's the best argument I've heard to invade Iraq so far... :-(

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  14. But what if the sniper has the software too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could he profile himself and then know where NOT to go to find his next victims?

    1. Re:But what if the sniper has the software too? by leandrod · · Score: 2
      > needs an Ultra Sparc to run!

      There is a MS-WNT port.

      > unless he's rich

      One could buy a second-hand UltraSPARC from a second-tier vendor. It is new hardware from Sun which is expensive, but there are other vendors of UltraSPARC systems, and there are refurbished systems.

      He could be a cop and have access to run it or copy it from his own work.

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    2. Re:But what if the sniper has the software too? by javatips · · Score: 2

      A good random number generator would probably do the trick.

      Just use it to select geographics coordinate within some area and you will cheat any profiling software.

      When a location does not contain a populated are, flip a coin to know if you drive there anyway or just select another random location.

      To be truly random though, you must also select a random area first. It would also help if the place were the person live is not located in the area as long as he does not travel back home after each shooting (some the time between each shooting will not be affected by it's home location).

  15. Re:Sound cool but by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 3, Interesting

    problem is true random ness is not possable. He/she could be following a pattern without being aware of it. And if the sniper is trying to be random probably in doing so is causing a pattern. Humans are way to predictable over a period of time.

    pretty much any random way you could come up with of doing what he is doing could leave a pattern that someone would see.

    though with that said even when you have a pattern going it's still really hard to refine to being able to knock on his door or no his next move.

  16. Hmmm, maybe it was seeing Red Dragon by sielwolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But I've been thinking of Lecter's advice to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs: this looks a little too random.

    Ever since I first saw the movie I've always wondered how often that is the case: serial criminals who commit the first crime locally, realize it, and then make a point of trying to be "random".

    This entire scenario it doesn't look like the case: the first and fifth shooting were very close together and the entire field of action seems to be very localized. But still these sort of things always make me think of that quote. Guess because it was so imporant in the movie.

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    1. Re:Hmmm, maybe it was seeing Red Dragon by JohnnyCannuk · · Score: 2

      Actually, If you study this field in any depth, you see the pattern is exactly opposite. Serial criminals will start out far from their home and "spiral in" as it were, because they get more comfortable with killing at will and more lazy - the need to kill outweighs the need for not getting caught.

      After a few "successful" murders, the killer thinks they are invincible and can't be caught no matter what. The same reasoning can also apply to body dump sites.

      Case in point: John Wayne Gacy start out picking up young boys in Chicago and ended up getting boys from his Des Plaines neighbourhood. He started out hiding the bodioes, and ended up throwing them into the river on his way to be interviewd by the police.

      No matter how you try, humans are very rarely truly random. Theere is a "reason" or "trigger" for everything. Figuring out the reason is the art of Criminal Profiling.

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  17. sniper anagrams by recalci · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The DC sniper left a "Death" tarot card with the words:

    "Dear Policeman, I am God"

    written on it.

    Some anagrams for "dear policeman i am god"

    go and implode America
    Laden doom pig America
    impaled good American
    magic doomed airplane
    megalomaniac drop die
    an imperial dogma code
    good, an epidemic alarm

    Some anagrams for "dear policeman i am god death"

    imperial hated and good came
    imperial death and good came
    I'm a degraded emotional chap
    I'm delegated macho paranoid
    homicidal dead eager top man
    Peter, a homicidal dead man go
    dead homicidal game not rape

    1. Re:sniper anagrams by rnd() · · Score: 2

      those anagrams are seriously the funniest thing I've seen in about 2 years. I guess it seems a bit farfetched to me that the sniper is calculating his words on the tarrot card as an anagram. Who knows, maybe he is.

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    2. Re:sniper anagrams by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But you missed it! "Dear policeman, I am god" is an anagram of "A calendared gimp, I moo!" Clearly the bugginess and slowness of Apple's iCal sent this lunatic over the edge!

      And "recalci" is an anagram of "Clarice." What are you trying to tell us, here?

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  18. programs response by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's Mrs. White in the library with the revolver

    1. Re:programs response by autocracy · · Score: 2
      It's Mrs. White in the library with the revolver
      Damn - she's got a hell of a great shot to hit somebody out there with a revolver like that!
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  19. Re:Sound cool but by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2

    "what if the guy your trying to track is a complete nutcase. Not every sniper is gonna follow a pattern. And I imagine an intelligent sniper will take precautions to avoid doing anything to draw attention to any kind of pattern."

    Dude is a nutcase since he is killing other people for the thrill.

    Everyone has a pattern, even if we don't see this f*ck's pattern until he (or she) is caught.

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  20. Better CNN article by mbrubeck · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Law section on CNN.com has a more detailed article which is also more accurate in most respects.

    Note: I work at ECRI, but I'm not speaking for my employer. I will answer basic questions in the comments here, though I can't always go into detail.

    1. Re:Better CNN article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please provide details about how the system works, and how a criminal could circumvent the profile to throw police off the track. I need this information ASAP.

  21. Re:This is scary by lux55 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Applying purchasing patterns of average citizens (the only thing I can think of that a corporation would want to do with this idea) would reveal nothing new. For example, meet Joe.

    Joe is a 35 year old male with a wife and a 3 year old son. Once or twice a week, Joe goes out to a restaurant near his work for lunch with a couple work acquaintances. Joe has been tasked with the weekly job (done on Thursdays) of doing the family grocery shopping. Joe pays their bills on the 27th of every month. He fills up with gas and buys a pack of smokes X times throughout the week on his way to or from work. Occasionally, maybe twice a month, Joe also stops to pick up a case of beer. At the same time (roughtly) every year, he goes out and buys another present for his wife because it's her birthday. He does the same for his son. He does this again predictably (which would only have been discovered through the use of patented software) the week before Christmas, at the reminder of his wife. Joe and his family go on vacation every year to the same place, because Joe's wife has family there. All of this, except the vacation, happens within a 1km radius from either Joe's home or his work.

    "No alarms and no suprises..." (Radiohead for the uninformed)

    Joe's probably not that far from 95% of people either. There's no holy grail of purchasing patterns to be discovered that would increase Walmart's revenues by another 100%. The funny part is that Walmart and all the boys will still try to license this technology to have this fact pointed out to them once again, and just for the fun of it since they can.

    This doesn't scare me much at all. I'm a law-bidding citizen on one hand with nothing to fear, and I'm also a privacy/indie/free speech zealot as well, but I don't think this is quite the technology that will put automatic identity checks in the doorways of retail stores, or that will improperly accuse me of some heinous crime. Now required ID cards and all this DMCA garbage, that's another story.

  22. The "Deeper" Piece Seems to be Slashdotted: by Ribo99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    GEO-PROFILING: POTENT NEW POLICE TECHNIQUE
    Cracking the Toughest Serial Criminal Cases
    Dec. 31, 1998

    By Jim Krane

    SAN DIEGO (APBnews.com) -- Picture a small city in eastern Canada whose residents were rarely touched by violent crime. Then, startlingly, a serial rapist began attacking women, injecting a dose of fear into a normally tranquil community.

    By the time the assailant sexually assaulted his 11th victim, police were desperate. They compiled a list of 300 possible suspects and prepared to conduct expensive, laborious DNA tests on each one, hoping to match DNA residue taken from victims.

    Vancouver Police Detective Kim Rossmo
    That's when Det. Kim Rossmo got a call.

    Rossmo, a detective inspector with the Vancouver Police Department, developed an investigative technique called geographic profiling. Using geo-profiling, police try to trace a serial criminal to his home or workplace by computing distances with geographic clues he's left -- such as dead bodies, sites of attacks and other known locations the lawbreaker visited.

    Rossmo explained geographic profiling to attendees at the International Association of Crime Analysts here recently, giving criminal analysts a window into one of law enforcement's newest and least-known investigative techniques.

    Rossmo's methodology would come in handy on the serial rapist case and many others.

    Valuable search tool

    As part of his doctoral research at British Columbia's Simon Fraser University, Rossmo developed an algorithm -- a mathematical model of repeated calculations -- that targets serial criminals by the spatial patterns they produce.

    Since then, Rossmo's algorithm has been computerized, allowing it to make hundreds of thousands of calculations that pinpoint a criminal's hideout within a fraction of the crime site area.

    Priority: danger

    Rossmo most often gets a call when a serial criminal is on the loose. Since many agencies -- in Canada, the United States and Europe -- seek his services simultaneously, Rossmo said he gauges which community is most at risk.

    In the eastern Canadian sexual assault case -- Rossmo didn't want to divulge the location -- his geographic profile turned out to be remarkably accurate. With 300 suspects on their hands, the local police could only look forward to a lengthy period of laboratory testing.

    The red peaks in this image identify the probable location of an offender's residence in Vancouver, British Columbia.
    But Rossmo's geo-profiling technique helped the police get their man much more quickly. The Vancouver detective visited crime scenes, read reports, and talked to victims and investigators. He analyzed the data using his computerized algorithm and found a neighborhood hot spot to focus on.

    Seventh time's a charm

    Instead of hauling suspects in alphabetically by last name, police matched suspects' addresses against Rossmo's findings and tested those who lived nearest the hot spot's peak. The seventh suspect lawmen tested was a positive DNA match. Police arrested the man and cracked the case.

    "If they didn't have geographic profile prioritization, they might've started with Archer and ended with Young," Rossmo said.

    Lazy to a fault

    Despite its complicated mathematical calculations, geographic profiling is based on a simple theory. Criminologists say most humans -- criminals included -- are inherently lazy. Just as a person will shop in the grocery store nearest his or her home, a predatory criminal usually picks his victims in familiar areas -- except for a small buffer zone around his home, says Rossmo.

    Thus, when an arsonist sets a series of fires, police can estimate his whereabouts (usually a residence) by dumping the addresses of buildings burned into the computer and calculating the location most central to the crime scenes.

    Crime as topography

    In reality, Rossmo's crime-busting technique is more complex. He walks through crime scenes, conducts interviews and reads police reports. With years of investigative experience under his belt, Rossmo puts emphasis on certain locations based on his psychological assumptions about the quarry. At the same time, he discards or discounts other locations that he believes might skew his findings.

    Rossmo then keys his data into the computer. The machine converts street addresses into latitudinal and longitudinal coordinates and creates a three-dimensional "jeopardy surface" or topographical model of the data. The jeopardy surface looks like a mountain range, with colored bands of peaks and valleys that show where the addresses converge -- the peaks -- and where they don't -- the valleys.

    When Rossmo superimposes the jeopardy surface onto a street grid, the result isn't an exact map to the killer's house, but it's something close to it.

    Method used in 80 cases

    Since 1990, Rossmo has used his geo-profiling technique in more than 80 cases, representing 1,800 crime locations. He believes his work helped crack about half of those cases.

    But Rossmo doesn't measure his success only by cases cleared. He's interested in geographic accuracy.

    In cases where an arrest has been made, Rossmo's been able to estimate the location of the offender's home within the top five percent of the search area. That means, if police believe the offender lives somewhere within a 10-square-mile area, Rossmo can tell investigators which half-square-mile section to search.

    In some cases, he's more accurate. In the Canadian rapist investigation described above, Rossmo's suspect lived within the first 2.2 percent of the area searched.

    The more a criminal strikes, the more clues Rossmo can enter into his computer. Theoretically, that makes his predictions more accurate. But Rossmo's computer doesn't spit out a name and address. After the computer does its thing, Rossmo writes a report suggesting strategies for capture.

    "It's the investigator that solves the case. Our role is to support him or her," Rossmo said.

    Cops, meet Rigel

    Rossmo's algorithm has been incorporated into a software program called Rigel, manufactured by the Vancouver firm Environmental Criminology Research Inc. (ECRI). Rossmo is a member of ECRI's board of directors and acts as the company's chief scientist.

    Currently, Rigel runs only on a Sun Microsystems UltraSparc workstation. But ECRI is reprogramming it for use on Windows NT workstations and servers.

    The software isn't cheap -- ECRI president Barry Dalziel priced a copy at $70,000, which includes some training and help with installation.

    Rigel, emphasized Dalziel, isn't perfect. For best results, it should be used by a police investigator or crime analyst who undergoes a year of training, some of it under Rossmo's personal tutelage.

    "If it sends them off on a wild goose chase, police investigators aren't likely to use the system again," said Dalziel.

    It's a Canadian thing

    Besides Rossmo's Vancouver Police, two other agencies have been trained in geographic profiling with Rigel: The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Canada's national police force, and the Ontario Provincial Police. Rossmo said the British National Crime Faculty, another national law enforcement agency, will be certified in 1999.

    No U.S. law enforcement agencies are on Rossmo's training list -- even though he's been invited to help crack dozens of cases in the States.

    The real Robocop

    If its geo-profiling uses weren't enough, Dalziel said investigators will be able to use a new version of Rigel to predict a serial criminal's next crimes, including dates and crime locations.

    And cops will be able to predict and monitor the likely "hunting grounds" of paroled sex offenders by plotting past crime data and behavioral traits into Rigel, said Dalziel.

    "Say there were crimes in that area that matched [a parolee's] M.O., his name would pop up," Dalziel said.

    Jim Krane is APB News staff writer (jimk@apbnews.com).

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  23. You mean Mini14 by Wee · · Score: 5, Interesting
    That's a real small bullet, about as big as a .22 we all grew up with. In order for it to be lethal, it needs to be shot at about 1000 mps (Mach 3 ish).

    For anyone curious, the .223 is about the same diameter as a .22 LR, but there the similarity ends. The .223 weighs in between 50 and 64 grains and travels at 2700-3300 fps. I think the .223 NATO round is 55 grains and moves at like 3100 fps. A .22 LR is 40 grains and travels at around 1050 fps. I might be a little off in my numbers, so don't quote me. The two are night and day as far as lethality and ballistics go, however.

    It's probably a disaffected, over intellectual loner in high school or college with an M-14 or a bolt action .223 hunting rifle with a scope, who's taking out his feeling of inadequacy and powerlessness against random people. Needless to say, he's never been laid, either.

    The M14 is .308, not .223. You mean a Mini14.

    But I get your point. Feet first into the mulcher is too good a fate for this ass clown. Shooting old men and children and women. In the back. I'm having a hard time coming up with suitable retribution...

    -B

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    1. Re: You mean Mini14 by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Interesting


      > Feet first into the mulcher is too good a fate for this ass clown. Shooting old men and children and women. In the back. I'm having a hard time coming up with suitable retribution...

      I'd go for ordinary imprisonment. Sure, this and lots of other crimes merit worse, but unfortunately our "justice" system is actually a "conviction" system, and doesn't appear to be batting too high an average on hanging the right guy.

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    2. Re:You mean Mini14 by scott1853 · · Score: 5, Funny


      3100 fps *drool*

      Need... new... video... card... 8P

    3. Re:You mean Mini14 by Hieronymous+Cowherd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, yes, they are, by those of us who shoot competitively. The silly '92 gun ban made several inexpensive rifles used to get started in competitive shooting into high-priced collectors' items.

      Please define "high powered sniper rifle". Differentiate from "hunting rifle" or "varmint rifle" or "target shooting rifle". Please be very specific.

      If you've noticed how badly-written laws about technology are, they've got nothing on the labyrinthine morass of laws that cover firearms ownership.

    4. Re:You mean Mini14 by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 2
      Feet first into the mulcher is too good a fate for this ass clown. Shooting old men and children and women. In the back. I'm having a hard time coming up with suitable retribution...

      Arms off at the elbows, spinal cord cut at the waist. Let him try changing his own diapers with his hooks.

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    5. Re:You mean Mini14 by Xenographic · · Score: 2, Funny

      FPS is feet per second here, for all of you who are confused by the term.

      Not that I wouldn't like a video card capable of 3100 fps, though I think it's well beyond overkill...

    6. Re:You mean Mini14 by kubrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shooting old men and children and women.

      Something I've wondered in this case... why is it worse to shoot "old men and women and children" than it is to shoot anyone else? Are 35-year-old men some sort of second-class citizen, not worthy of sorrow? Sure, they may be more able to defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat, but that's not going to do them a lot of good when a sniper shoots them in the middle of the suburbs...

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    7. Re:You mean Mini14 by EricTheMad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the .223 NATO round is 55 grains and moves at like 3100 fps. That's the old round. The one that is currently in use is 62 grains. The 55 grain round spins when it enters the target. This increases the lethality of the round. The 7 grain increase was made to cut down on the spin. The idea being to wound the target instead of kill. While at first glance it may seem like a bad idea, it actually makes a lot of sense. It is, as Baldric would say, "a cunning plan". The theory behind it is this: If you kill the target, you've removed one soldier from the battle. But if you only wound your target, you've taken at least two people out of the battle. Your target and his buddy, who now has to take care of him.

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    8. Re:You mean Mini14 by AJWM · · Score: 2

      Cutting down on the tumbling when it hits also eliminates the argument that some have made that the .223 violated the spirit of the Geneva Convention banning dum-dum rounds, even if technically legal.

      (Note that most police ammunition violates that spirit -- the cops want hollowpoint so that the bullet tends to stop when it hits something, rather than travelling on through and endangering bystanders.)

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    9. Re:You mean Mini14 by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2, Interesting

      why is it worse to shoot "old men and women and children" than it is to shoot anyone else?

      That's a good point, but the fact seems to be that our culture-- maybe all cultures for all I know-- places a higher value on the lives of the very young, the very old, and women than on the lives of adult men.

      But you're absolutely right. From a thousand feet away and on the wrong side of a rifle barrel, a 35-year-old white man is just as defenseless as anybody else.

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    10. Re:You mean Mini14 by Wee · · Score: 2
      Something I've wondered in this case... why is it worse to shoot "old men and women and children" than it is to shoot anyone else?

      It's worse. At 900 yards, everyone is defenseless. Yet this bottom feeder chooses to shoot the young or the weak... in the back. Almost as an insult. It's almost... dishonorable (as if there is even the hint of honor in what he is doing). It's like he knows that he's killing the innocent, the weak, the "normally defenseless".

      He's making a point. And it's a bad one.

      -B

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    11. Re:You mean Mini14 by kubrick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the fact seems to be that our culture-- maybe all cultures for all I know-- places a higher value on the lives of the very young, the very old, and women than on the lives of adult men.

      I can understand that... I just noticed this when the police chief said that shooting children was "crossing over the line". I'd like to think that I'm on the same side of the line as the children, i.e. that shooting at me is unacceptable. (I don't live in the US... maybe common-or-garden public shootings occur often enough over there that this is no longer a reasonable expectation?)

      35-year-old white man

      I wasn't talking about colour here -- that would fall into that standard pro/anti-reverse discrimination line of argument, and I'm more interested in discussing people's ingrained notions of degrees of fairness/unfairness.

      The average serial killer profile in the US is often white middle-class male, isn't it? Are there any useful statistics on this?

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    12. Re:You mean Mini14 by kubrick · · Score: 2

      I agree with what you're saying, but I find debating the relative levels of dishonour of "shooting someone in the back from 900 yards" and "shooting someone traditionally defenseless in the back from 900 yards" both macabre and pointless.

      He's already so low that this particular choice doesn't really surprise me, it just reinforces the need to catch the bastard quickly. :/

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    13. Re:You mean Mini14 by Wee · · Score: 2
      I agree with what you're saying, but I find debating the relative levels of dishonour of "shooting someone in the back from 900 yards" and "shooting someone traditionally defenseless in the back from 900 yards" both macabre and pointless.

      I agree. But my point was that I think that he is making a point by what he is doing. He is targeting certain people, and shooting them in certain ways. There's a reason why he is killing the people he is killing in the way he is killing them.

      I didn't mean to say there was anything close to honor about the way that he is doing what he is doing. I just wanted to point out that there's a reason why he's doing it. And it's not even close to honorable.

      He deserves to die in ways more horrible than humans can imagine.

      -B

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    14. Re: You mean Mini14 by echucker · · Score: 2

      I'd go for ordinary imprisonment. Sure, this and lots of other crimes merit worse, but unfortunately our "justice" system is actually a "conviction" system, and doesn't appear to be batting too high an average on hanging the right guy.

      Actually, throwing him in the GP (general population) of a correctional facility will serve as the best punishment of all for any guilty party. You can rape a grandmother, shoot a guy in a wheelchair, or light your ex-wife's house on fire. Hurt a kid though, and inmates will make you pay for it. If this guy ever makes it to prison, he'll likely have an "unfortunate" accident within a few days of his arrival, and you can be sure it won't be a fast, painless one, either.

    15. Re:You mean Mini14 by Hobophile · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's a good point, but the fact seems to be that our culture-- maybe all cultures for all I know-- places a higher value on the lives of the very young, the very old, and women than on the lives of adult men.

      I respectfully disagree with your assertion that our culture (in particular) places a higher value on the lives of the very old than on regular adults. I would say that American society in particular reveres youth and the image thereof. Further I would assert that this is true of most any Western culture, where innovation (the province of the young) is more highly thought of than tradition.

      Chinese culture is an interesting exception, owing to the long tradition of Confucianism and ancestor worship there. However, my general impression -- admittedly conveyed through academia and personal intuition rather than firsthand experiences in China -- is that this has changed and continues to change as China embraces more Western ideals. Likely this holds for 'official' idealogy, though what the millions and millions of uneducated peasants in the Chinese countryside believe may be substantially different.

      I think that the disgust most people feel towards those who victimize the elderly and the very young is due to how they are perceived as defenseless and worthy of sympathy/pity/protection. Note that this has little to do with the specifics of the situation -- as you correctly point out, everyone is equally defenseless from hundreds of feet away -- but simply with perceptions.

      Going on purely visceral reactions, I would say that most people would consider someone who slaughtered a bus filled with schoolchildren or retired folks more despicable and abominable than someone who simply killed everyone on standard commuter bus. This would be true even if the retired folks bus was filled with ex-Navy Seals and the commuter bus filled with overweight, out-of-shape middle aged Americans.

      Perhaps the key is that children and the elderly are perceived more as offenseless than defenseless -- meaning they have either done nothing that remotely merited being targetted, or did so such a long time ago that it can no longer be held against them.

    16. Re:You mean Mini14 by nobody69 · · Score: 2

      But I get your point. Feet first into the mulcher is too good a fate for this ass clown. Shooting old men and children and women. In the back. I'm having a hard time coming up with suitable retribution...

      Exactly. People like this (and McVeigh and Gacy) are the reason why I have such a hard time saying that the death penalty should be abolished. Of course, since I live in Illinois where more people are found not guilty on death row than executed, I have a hard time saying the death penalty actually works...

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    17. Re:You mean Mini14 by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      The telling statistic I heard was that the annual murder rate for whatever municipal district tripled because of these shootings

      To be clear, the Montgomery County sheriff stated that the first 5 murders had increased the homicide rate by 300%. This excludes the 6th killing (which was in Washington D.C. and outside the county lines as best I can tell).

      Assuming that the sheriff is doing the math right, that means prior to this starting there had only been two murders in the county.

      In response to the previous poster - the average serial killer is a white male in the upper 20's (average 28.5 for first victem). See here for more info. According to that page, however, the sniper isn't a serial killer since there wasn't a "cooling off" period... not that I particularly agree with that.

    18. Re:You mean Mini14 by kubrick · · Score: 2

      the first 5 murders had increased the homicide rate by 300%

      You really have to wonder "why there"... but I imagine there are never really any answers with these sorts of things.

      According to that page, however, the sniper isn't a serial killer since there wasn't a "cooling off" period...

      Serial killers are also usually more personal according to traditional profiles; they tend to prefer to kill at close range. They also tend to be secretive about it, with good reason (from their viewpoint, anyway) as they know that what they are doing is wrong and likely to get them locked up for life or killed depending on the jurisdiction. Neither of these seem to apply here... this is more like the (Malay? Sumatran?) tradition of 'amok', going crazy with a sword or whatever in the local marketplace until killed.

      (My reading in this area isn't all that broad, but I do have some books on some of the more famous cases (Wests, Yorkshire Ripper, etc.), and the city I live in (Adelaide, South Australia) is notorious for serial murders, so you do see quite a bit about it in the media :/)

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    19. Re:You mean Mini14 by kubrick · · Score: 2

      I'd say public shootings are still pretty uncommon occurrences.

      Good to hear, because you wouldn't know it from the media reports. :)

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    20. Re:You mean Mini14 by overunderunderdone · · Score: 2

      Something I've wondered in this case... why is it worse to shoot "old men and women and children" than it is to shoot anyone else?

      Because there is a cultural taboo against victimising the weak and utterly defenseless. Sure, in the case of a sniper everyone is equally defenseless but the cultural values is ingrained and doesn't and is still particularly sympathizes with the weak. On the whole this is a good thing. Generally, young males ARE more capable of defending themselves, and generally young males are the ones that people need to be protected from. The culture places more value on those that are least able to stick up for themselves and engenders a protective impulse in those that are stronger and in the absense of that impulse more likely to be the ones doing the victimizing.

      That being said I thought it was weird when the local police captain (or sheriff, whatever) after the shooting of the 13 year old that NOW the sniper had "crossed the line". To my ear it was a strange somehow offensive comment. It offended (my at least) cultural sensibilities. Sure we see killing a child as a particularly egregious crimem but it is going way too far to suggest that the sniper didn't "cross the line" until that point. This sniper "crossed the line" with the very first victim, perhaps you could say he crossed *another* line deserving even *more* reprehension when he added a child to his list of victims but the way it was stated was just a bit bizarre and offensive.

    21. Re:You mean Mini14 by kubrick · · Score: 2

      From that page you linked to:

      Traits that should be looked at when trying to decide if a person is a potential killer include: Social withdrawal, abnormal dependence's on ones mother or ulcerated relations with ones parents, hypochondria or other attention seeking behavior including forms of clothing, delusional mind as to grandeur, severe depression, a general feeling of emptiness as to the future, inability to take criticisms, a general feeling of being mistreated, inability to assert ones self, parental taunts as to ones inability to be sufficient (or as I prefer to call it - the Hitchcock 'Psycho' syndrome), mood disorders, and a general failing in attempts to succeed.

      I was getting a bit worried after this; I fit many of these points, and so do quite a few people I know :/

      Of course these are very general points, and even if someone had the majority of these (as I do), it would not necessarily mean that they would become serial killers, it is only meant as a point of reference.

      Phew! :)

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    22. Re:You mean Mini14 by Valdrax · · Score: 2

      Hell, my video card was capable of 3100 fps once I built my own rail gun!

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  24. Kim Rossmo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Kim Rossmo was also one of the first to suggest vancouver had a serial killer [robert pickton,pig farmer],which the VPD dissmissed promptly.The VPD also drummed Rossmo out via the old boys network because of interdept politics/powerplays.

    1. Re:Kim Rossmo by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      Kim Rossmo was also one of the first to suggest vancouver had a serial killer [robert pickton,pig farmer],which the VPD dissmissed promptly.The VPD also drummed Rossmo out via the old boys network because of interdept politics/powerplays

      Rossmo would never have fitted in anyway. A cop with a PhD? You could probably count 'em on one hand.

  25. Other uses by guttentag · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    I heard Jack In The Box is working on similar software that can determine where you work and how large your cubicle is based on the hours and locations you visit them. They insist they'll only use it to help them staff their restaurants more efficiently during the graveyard shift...

  26. Re:Why not a search engine? by moertle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps its because security cameras aren't as pervasive as everyone likes to think they are.

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  27. Re:This is scary by puppetman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, geoprofiling narrows it down to a few blocks.

    Pushing stickpins into a map rarely allows such insight.

  28. How effective are probability toosl on anomalies? by Ted_Green · · Score: 3, Insightful


    When one has already shown them self to be a anomaly how effective is any given method of prediction/profiling?

    Let's face it, you don't go killing people as a habit. Any results from a given "profile" are not the best answer, they are merely a suggested solution to a given set of criteria, some of which we've yet to know.
    If the person meets the criteria of a given profile, then yes, they are more likely to be in X place or be X person.

    But we *must* keep in mind people can do other than what they would be expected to, even if we know nearly everything about them. And if they've already broken the social and moral bounds of killing their fellow man, seemingly without cause I'd say then that they are even less likely to fit a given profile.

    True, they are likely to meet some criteria and be "standardized" in that aspect, but we can never know which criteria are the ones that fit their profile.
    With that said we can *never* rely on just one method for a single case. We need to use many methods, often contradictory, in the hopes that one of those profiles is the correct one.
    In this kind of case over confidence in our methods literally becomes a killer.

    *shrug* look at people like the Uni-Bomber. If I recall correctly, the only reason he was eventually found was because his brother turned him in after recognizing his style of witting reading the manifesto.

    Sorry if this isn't more eloquent. This case is actually pretty close to home for me (both geographically speaking and emotionally.) People who go out of their way to try and kill children... I really want this person gone.

  29. He's just very far away by Wee · · Score: 3, Informative
    I thought he was using a .308, not a .223, but the point is the same: He was probably very far away, not using subsonic ammo. .223s move really fast (~3200fps). Making them subsonic makes them ineffective (since they don't have a lot of mass, then need a lot of velocity). I don't think they even make subsonic .223 rounds. He might be using a silencer, but again, this is only slightly practical since it slows the bullet down somewhat, and can affect accuracy. You'd have to get closer to the target either way. I don't know if you'd have to get so close that you'd be louder than if you simply stayed very far away and used normal rounds. Even a subsonic round, or one coming out of a silenced weapon makes a noise (I've shot both, but not together; and they were pistol rounds, not rifle rounds, but still...).

    No, I think he's just got a lot of "stuff" around him (grass, bushes, etc) and is pretty far off. Cities are loud places, much more so than out in the woods. You'd be very surprised how quiet even a big hunting rifle is from a couple hundred yards off. And sound can echo off things fairly effectively in a city (although I've never shot a gun in a city, I've shot quite a few of them in the country, so I'm partially guessing here). If the victim was hit a second or two before the shot was heard, that confuses things even more. You'd pretty much have to see the impact to know where it came from.

    Whatever he's using, I can't think of a fate bad enough for this guy. There's a special place in Hell for those who shoot women and children in the back. I just hope he's found soon.

    -B

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  30. Don't be by hayden · · Score: 2
    Seriously, I'm suprized with all of the security cameras everwhere that he hasn't popped up on a video tape yet.
    If you want to commit a serious crime, security cameras aren't going to stop you. They are only useful in spur of the moment things (drunken brawls etc).

    To quote Tyler Durden:
    The illusion of safety.

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  31. Court TV Forensic Files had an episode... by CaptainAx · · Score: 2, Informative

    This technique was demonstrated in "Badge of Deceit" - The Randy Comeaux Case, a "Forensic Files" episode on CourtTV.

  32. Ph.D. in Criminology by mbrubeck · · Score: 5, Informative
    just curious, but what did Kim Rossimo get his Phd in?

    Kim Rossmo got his Ph.D. in criminology at SFU. The ideas in his thesis weren't just sudden inspiration -- they came from his many years as a police detective working on investigations, and from rigorous academic study and research.

  33. Some background on this guy.... by puppetman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I live in Vancouver, where Kim Rossmo got his Ph.d and started his geoprofiling.

    He was very successful, and it led to his rapid advancement in the Vancouver Police Department. But like most police departments, it's still old-boys, and alot of them resented an educated individual rising through the ranks so quickly.

    Finally, they told him they weren't extending his contract when he was promoted too far. He sued. During the trial, the senior VPD members were made to look like fools for lying under oath.

    One of the interesting things that came out was that he suspected (back in June, 2001) that a serial killer was involved in the disappearance of 20 to 30 Vancouver women. Well, he was right. The Vancouver police are conducting a huge investigation at a pig farm in the Vancouver area, and Robert William Pickton is now Canada's most prolific known serial killer with 16 or so charges in the works, and more pending as they find more DNA at the farm.

    I don't know much about the technology (or psychology) involved, but I do know that when he applied his software to some of Canada's other serial killers (Paul Bernardo, Cliffard Olsen, etc) his software picked a 4-block area which included the killer's home. It was also used to catch a killer in Abbotsford.

    Thanks to a bunch of fat old men who's ego has extended past their intelligence, Vancouver has lost what appears to be a top-rate talent.

  34. Reaching, aren't we? by Inoshiro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know it's human nature to find patterns in random data, but this seems just a wee bit far fetched to me.

    Chances are s/he just wanted to say that s/he's god, and because of that has power over life and death (with no way for them to stop s/he).

    Sometimes a nutjob is just a nutjob.

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    1. Re:Reaching, aren't we? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you ever watched a movie? The bad guy always taunts the hero with an anagram.

      -B

  35. How this thing works - an explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How does this work?

    Alittle bit about geographic profiling works. Essentially, what this software does is it assigns a weight to different attributes of a crime and based upon past crimes determines a probability that the crime was commited near someone's home or an area they know. Throwing in some additional variables such as where an individual works, what route they probably take to work, etc, helps identify a person's individual daily path.

    Throw in a couple more factors like how far most criminals go from home to comit a crime - i.e. bank robberies tend to happen at banks individuals don't know, further from home, though rapes and murders happen in areas people are more comfortable - near an area they know - so that if discovered they know where to run (read: no unexpected dead end roads, good alleyways etc). Without getting into the whole theory of why this is - basically its because someone near their home doesn't stand out, they've probably been seen on the street before, maybe a neighbor knows them, they dont pose a threat - and dont' look out of place. Think about yourself - if you had to go walking around alleyways to stake out a location to dump a body or commit a rape, would you feel more comfortable (and look less shady) in an area you know, or some place out of town?

    So take some basic variables - what was the crime? when was the crime?

    Now, take the location of your crimes and cross-reference it with just the areas that would match given crimes. You end up with an area of probability that usually circular in nature around each crime... as these areas intersect, you get "blotches" of red, yellow, orange, etc..

    That done, start to take other factors into consideration. You probably don't have a database with everyone's job, route to work, schedule, etc - what you probably do have is income ranges and general demographic information for specific areas. (Ok so I mentioned all this stuff about individuals above, I'm getting there).

    Using that data, you can modify the predictions futher. For example, something like a string of gang shootings... There are several areas (chicago for one, im sure you can think of one near you) that have affluent or up-and-coming areas near or next to ghettos. For chicagoans, think near west side vs. cabrini greens. For those who don't know, 2 bd 2ba condos in near west side go for about $300,000 to $500,000. Go about five or six blocks down the road though and you'll run into section-8 housing. I'm getting to a point here, bear with me.

    Having run your first analysis, you may find that there was a gang shooting in the "nicer" area, but it isn't really likely the shooter is from there... more likely than not, he's from the crummier side a few blocks away. Up to this point, the system knows nothing about Street Y vs Street X. Street Y might be a few blocks from Street X, but STreet Y might be primarily a six figure area... This information exists - if not directly, it can be found through housing prices and general crime level.

    Ok, so now what? We have a big red blob that winds around. Feed the system the data on population type, ethnicity (yup. Not too PC, but its there), income, average age... etc. With this new info, it starts to eliminate or decrease the red areas, building a smaller search section.

    Now I'd talked about all those individual factors - I'm finally getting to them. Remember those? Where does person A work? Person B?
    What does this person do? (Truckers and transients dump bodies far away, most employeed people dump them near work or home) .... etc.

    Usually in cases like these you have hundreds of leads. Everyone is followed up - some are easy to eliminate some don't really lead anywhere. Some sound like good potentials. Say you get a tip that joe shmoe did this crime. A quick check reveals he has no alibi for the time in question... does he fit the (geographic) profile?

    Obviously, you are going to go see joe shmoe. You ask some pretty basic questions that sound pretty boring... where do you work? You drive to work? Take the bus? What time do you leave? Do you eat lunch at work or outside? Simple stuff. You bring it up in conversation like nothing was - and for the most part it isn't anything.

    Pretty soon, you've got a list of 50 individuals who could all be involved. None of them have alibis, and you need to figure out who to focus on. Here we go again.

    Your now narrowed red area can take into account what these people do, where they work, how do they get to work, etc. Put those in and usually, you end up with 10 individuals who fit the geographic pattern. Those are the ones you go see again. And again.

    The rest? They don't fall off the radar, but you are no longer dedicating half your team to them. It's a game of probabilities. Now with your 10 "likelies", you've got the resources pointed in the right direction.

    Combine this with an FBI Profile of an individual and you've taken your 10 and shaved off 3 or 4. Now, you've got a handful of people to really focus on. At this point, you've got your search warrant if you want it - no alibi, meets the profile, fits the area, etc.

    The search warrants usually lead to a few more clues and narrow it down to one guy. Then you just got to figure out how to prove it was him. :)

  36. How this works by rhymez0r · · Score: 3, Informative

    How does this work? Alittle bit about geographic profiling works. Essentially, what this software does is it assigns a weight to different attributes of a crime and based upon past crimes determines a probability that the crime was commited near someone's home or an area they know. Throwing in some additional variables such as where an individual works, what route they probably take to work, etc, helps identify a person's individual daily path. Throw in a couple more factors like how far most criminals go from home to comit a crime - i.e. bank robberies tend to happen at banks individuals don't know, further from home, though rapes and murders happen in areas people are more comfortable - near an area they know - so that if discovered they know where to run (read: no unexpected dead end roads, good alleyways etc). Without getting into the whole theory of why this is - basically its because someone near their home doesn't stand out, they've probably been seen on the street before, maybe a neighbor knows them, they dont pose a threat - and dont' look out of place. Think about yourself - if you had to go walking around alleyways to stake out a location to dump a body or commit a rape, would you feel more comfortable (and look less shady) in an area you know, or some place out of town? So take some basic variables - what was the crime? when was the crime? Now, take the location of your crimes and cross-reference it with just the areas that would match given crimes. You end up with an area of probability that usually circular in nature around each crime... as these areas intersect, you get "blotches" of red, yellow, orange, etc.. That done, start to take other factors into consideration. You probably don't have a database with everyone's job, route to work, schedule, etc - what you probably do have is income ranges and general demographic information for specific areas. (Ok so I mentioned all this stuff about individuals above, I'm getting there). Using that data, you can modify the predictions futher. For example, something like a string of gang shootings... There are several areas (chicago for one, im sure you can think of one near you) that have affluent or up-and-coming areas near or next to ghettos. For chicagoans, think near west side vs. cabrini greens. For those who don't know, 2 bd 2ba condos in near west side go for about $300,000 to $500,000. Go about five or six blocks down the road though and you'll run into section-8 housing. I'm getting to a point here, bear with me. Having run your first analysis, you may find that there was a gang shooting in the "nicer" area, but it isn't really likely the shooter is from there... more likely than not, he's from the crummier side a few blocks away. Up to this point, the system knows nothing about Street Y vs Street X. Street Y might be a few blocks from Street X, but STreet Y might be primarily a six figure area... This information exists - if not directly, it can be found through housing prices and general crime level. Ok, so now what? We have a big red blob that winds around. Feed the system the data on population type, ethnicity (yup. Not too PC, but its there), income, average age... etc. With this new info, it starts to eliminate or decrease the red areas, building a smaller search section. Now I'd talked about all those individual factors - I'm finally getting to them. Remember those? Where does person A work? Person B? What does this person do? (Truckers and transients dump bodies far away, most employeed people dump them near work or home) .... etc. Usually in cases like these you have hundreds of leads. Everyone is followed up - some are easy to eliminate some don't really lead anywhere. Some sound like good potentials. Say you get a tip that joe shmoe did this crime. A quick check reveals he has no alibi for the time in question... does he fit the (geographic) profile? Obviously, you are going to go see joe shmoe. You ask some pretty basic questions that sound pretty boring... where do you work? You drive to work? Take the bus? What time do you leave? Do you eat lunch at work or outside? Simple stuff. You bring it up in conversation like nothing was - and for the most part it isn't anything. Pretty soon, you've got a list of 50 individuals who could all be involved. None of them have alibis, and you need to figure out who to focus on. Here we go again. Your now narrowed red area can take into account what these people do, where they work, how do they get to work, etc. Put those in and usually, you end up with 10 individuals who fit the geographic pattern. Those are the ones you go see again. And again. The rest? They don't fall off the radar, but you are no longer dedicating half your team to them. It's a game of probabilities. Now with your 10 "likelies", you've got the resources pointed in the right direction. Combine this with an FBI Profile of an individual and you've taken your 10 and shaved off 3 or 4. Now, you've got a handful of people to really focus on. At this point, you've got your search warrant if you want it - no alibi, meets the profile, fits the area, etc. The search warrants usually lead to a few more clues and narrow it down to one guy. Then you just got to figure out how to prove it was him. :) (reposted since I did it as anon by accident)

  37. Re:Sound cool but by ReconRich · · Score: 4, Interesting

    what if the guy your trying to track is a complete nutcase
    Well, I'd say he's certainly some kind of nutcase. Examination of his method, however, reveals a few interesting things. First, he acts like a military sniper; that is he selects a target, takes 1 shot, and then (presumably) leaves his position, taking everything (like shell casings) with him. In other words, all the work is in preparing his site, and leaving it. The actual shooting doesn't take much time or effort. Second is his selection of target. It appears to be random, although shooting a kid going to school could be designed to cause fear. Its almost as if the target is secondary to the location; this nutball may be picking sites from which he thinks he can get someone, and then killing whoever shows up. If this is the case, this location software may be just the thing; on the other hand, his criteria for picking a site might not have anything to do with where he lives. Anyway, I hope they catch this bastard soon, and I really don't care how they do it.
    -- Rich

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  38. I'd like to point out... by Heynow21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Police organizations also regularly hire psychics and check out their "revelations" on cases that go cold. I'm also kind of dubious about psychological profiling, but what do I know.

  39. Is it this nut job? by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can someone with a reasonable knowledge of US geography tell me if the guy in this article is from around there? From my quick search it seems their both near/in Washington. If so it's an odd coincidence if nothing else..

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  40. Re:This is scary by sbonds · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking of crime data in GIS, it worth a look at your local police department to see what sorts of interesting things they have available in this area. I was surprised to find quite good GIS-based crime info for the Portland, Oregon area:

    Top level link: http://www.portlandpolicebureau.com/crimemapper.ht ml

    Top level map

    Monster direct link to Portland downtown wide-scale crime map:

    detailed downtown Portland crime info showing the locations of individual crimes.

  41. Is it just me? by PerryMason · · Score: 4, Funny

    who developed it while walking the beat in Vancouver and reading about the hunting patterns of African lions

    Is it just me or does anyone else think they might have more chance of catching the guy if cops dont walk the beat reading a book!!

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  42. If I was an investigator.... by mao+che+minh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...I would select 10 of the USMC's and Army's best snipers, give them intel of the area, and let them hunt the sniper down. Skilled and experienced snipers should theorectically be able to deduce the most favorable target locations - geography-wise any ways. You let these 10 snipers scope out the most favorable areas in the DC and Maryland area and camp them.

    1. Re:If I was an investigator.... by Gruneun · · Score: 3

      snipers should theorectically be able to deduce the most favorable target locations

      Unless the sniper is choosing targets first and locations second.

      I would tend to agree the sniper is choosing the locations first (i.e. the guy who had just walked out of the store) but that still leaves millions of possibilities. Personally, I think his residence is centered somewhere inside the initial five shootings and he has slowly spiraled out around the DC area since the heightened media coverage.

      I also think that most people are overestimating the sniper's education. After all, I became proficient firing a .22 in Boy Scouts (and several higher calibers later in my teens) without the need for a high-power scope. Go an hour north or west of Montgomery County and you're in a typically more rural area where shotgun/rifle proficiency isn't so unusual.

    2. Re:If I was an investigator.... by back_pages · · Score: 2
      I think he is certainly picking locations first. A gas station is a spot where people are constantly coming and going. He can hide out and take his time picking a target. He has plenty of time to get focused and make his windage, elevation, and distance adjustments. Better yet, people often stand still next to their cars while they're pumping gas. It's an ideal environment for the motiveless random killing.

      The other settings are not so ideal, but have the same recipe. Kids filing into school will provide numerous targets passing through any giving spot on the sidewalk. Same thing with people leaving a convenience store. I would put money on the bet that this guy is setting up for at least 10-15 minutes before he takes a shot. It might not be necessary for an expert, but common thread in all of the locations is pretty strong, in my opinion.

  43. Not that guy! by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2

    This guy. Ex army guy, formally called Charles Haffey, wanted to change his name to "God", got refused, managed to get his name changed to "I Am who I Am" on October 2nd, the day the first shooting was, as I understand it.

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  44. Bzzzt! So sorry, let's meet our next contestant... by PizzaFace · · Score: 3, Interesting

    OK, so I'm a sucker for an AC Troll, but I have to reply:

    I live near these shootings. As I type, I hear a police helicopter overhead. My kids complain about not having outdoor recess at school. When I run an errand, I scan the perimeter of the parking lot before getting out of the car, and then jog to the door. But at least I'm not paranoid!

    It's not a government plot to stir up anti-Iraq rage because (1) these daylight suburban shootings are too risky for a plot that would need to avoid detection at all costs; (2) the public has had no reason to think that the sniper attacks are related to terrorism, let alone to Iraq (unlike the anthrax attacks of last winter, which apparently were the work of a right-wing kook who wanted to look like an axis-of-evil terrorist); (3) the government has evil elements, but not THAT evil - not hunting rifles against children.

    Until less than 24 hours ago, I thought the sniper was probably an Al Qaeda terrorist. No, he hadn't made political demands, but neither did the September 11 hijackers. Far from causing me to favor war against Iraq, though, the prospect of terrorism reminded me that we'll face much more of it if we continue to make war in the Middle East (for no very good reason).

    Anyway, the tarot card seems to dispose of my terrorism theory, as well as your government-plot-posing-as-terrorism theory.

  45. "Mapping Crime", et al - FREE NIJ research reports by ivi · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Research Report, Mapping Crime: Principle and
    Practice by Keith Harries Ph.D. December 1999:

    www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/178919.htm

    ('lots of other research reports are there for
    cost-free downloading, too; including one into
    RH Linux 7.1's GNU dd as a disk imaging tool.)

  46. Stop applying Cantor's diagonal method ... by Jagasian · · Score: 2

    Stop applying Cantor's diagonal method to our government!

  47. I have worked on this by SheldonYoung · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was part of the team that implemented an early version of the Rigel software used by Kim Rossmo.

    At least in the early version, the algorithm was very simple. It was so simple you would have though it would never be useful. The beauty is that the algorithm doesn't need to pinpoint the house, just the neighborhood. It was much better to have a simple and easily provable algorithm than get another half a block of accuracy.

    The available databases to convert from street address to spatial locations sucked. To me a big part of the magic was converting addresses where a crime occured to a UTM coordinate.

    Most importantly, the magic of Rigel and Kim Rossmo is not the geoprofiling algorithms, but the marketting and public relations.

  48. Dont need subsonic with suppressor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    having witnessed a Gem-tech supressor on a .223 at the defcon shoot ( http://www.23.org/dcshoot/ ) if you have an effecttive suppressor you really dont need subsonic rounds.

    all you will hear is a "zip" or a "crack" type sound (depending on how close you are and what angle) from the supersonic shockwave. unless you have heard it before you probably wont pick it out in the middle of a noisy street.

  49. Re:Shooter is accurate too by ReconRich · · Score: 4, Informative

    That is a good point, This guy hits reliably and doesn't freak out. My own take is that this is someone with military sniper training. What bothers me most about that is that sniping is hardly glamour killing; its boring, monotonous work. I have a very hard time understanding why someone who is killing people for some sick kind of emotional reward would do it this way. It is, however, probably the best way to get away with it. Then again, I worry about anybody who could get inside this guys head. He is very scary.

    -- Rich

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  50. As opposed to what? by Wee · · Score: 3, Funny
    Just like those assault weapons Clinton banned, boy are those sure missed...like a hole in the head.

    I prefer Defense Weapons. Those Assault Weapons are just too dangerous.

    -B

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  51. clever by edrugtrader · · Score: 2

    i like software titles that have a double meaning and at first i didn't "rigel"... regal... king... lion...

    thats clever.

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  52. Re:Sound cool but by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2

    How accurate has this guy been with the placement of his shots, and what does that tell us about him? As I understand it, all the victims have been shot in the chest area, right? What does military sniper training tell you about where to aim? Has the placement of the wounds been consistent with a military man trained to kill people, or, say, a highly skilled hunter who has only ever shot at game animals?

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  53. Re:Shooter is accurate too by BWJones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is a good point, This guy hits reliably and doesn't freak out. My own take is that this is someone with military sniper training.

    I don't know about that as his kills have been in the chest AND head not to mention he has also wounded his last two victims, one of them by an abdominal shot. Formal training would provide for far better accuracy and the wounding of the last two might indicate he is getting more nervous.

    My guess is that this is an emotionally immature individual without any strong emotional attachments who has spent far too much time involved in fantasy and the movies and television. (thus the overly theatrical death card). This individual does not have military training as his shots have actually not been that accurate and he is not killing for the sake of killing. Rather he is doing it for the attention and the power trip that this is providing via the media. He will not have a professional job as his emotional immaturity will not allow for it and the crimes have happened when most professional jobs would be taking place. My guess would be this is a white male with some post high school education but no formally completed degree and he is most likely in his thirties with an emotionally adjusted age of twenty or so. He probably has an fascination with guns, but cannot afford the higher end so he is doing the killings with a commonly available shorter barrel AR-15 derivatives and has most likely spent some time on the internet at the various sniper websites that I am sure are out there possibly even contributing to the discussion groups. As such, that may be a good place to look for clues to anyone in the D.C. area. Additionally, this person most likely has spent some time at local shooting ranges (if there are any. Anyone?) and would most likely be known there. He is likely somewhat talkative to others about guns and technique, but somewhat unidimensional and unimaginitive in his interactions.

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  54. Unabomber by Ted_Green · · Score: 2

    "Judging by the results that this technique has yielded so far, I'd say the results are very impressive, especially given than the Mr. Rossmo takes great pains to point out the limitations and that the software is only truly effective as one part of the array of methods being used in such cases."

    That is irrelevant as to whether it is effective in this case.
    I'm not saying it is, I'm not saying it isn't.
    That is yet to be determined.


    "It is apparent from your comment that you have a poor understanding of the large and frightening scope of mental illness. Being mentally ill does not necessarily make the victim totally irrational. Consequently, it is not at all surprising that such a technique might well be effective. If your illness is so debilitating that you effectively behave "randomly", I submit that you would not long evade capture."

    Mental Illness has nothing to do with these shootings until there is evidence to the contrary.
    Completely rational people are capable of atrocities.

    And again I am not saying that a killer such as the one being pursued is random. I'm saying that the baseline predictions are not necessarily reliable if the subject is an anomaly to those criteria.
    In other words, probably everyone is predictable in one form or another, but you can't always know what that form is.

    This is not a criticism of the software. This is a criticism of putting all your eggs in one basket. (Or perhaps more apt, all your cpu cycles on one process.)


    "Regarding the unabomber. Is there any evidence to suggest that technique was employed in that case (I don't think so) ? How do you know if this might not have been effective there ?
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    I don't know. And I didn't say it wouldn't. I was saying the FBI had other software and reliable methods which in the end, were not what caught him.

    I haven't looked at the program, but I'm not sure how well it would work esp. given his wide trail.

    (Eg, here's 1985 bombings attributed to him)

    1985 - Berkeley, CA
    1985 - Auburn, WA
    1985 - Ann Arbor, MI
    1985 - Sacramento, CA

  55. Re:This is scary by nurightshu · · Score: 2

    'Cause, you know, it's so damned difficult to navigate cities since they've never made a map with street-level resolution.

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  56. Happy that someone's listening to him by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 5, Informative
    Although Rossmo developed his software in Vancouver, it didn't get a very good reception here. Rossmo used his software to conclude that 50+ women missing in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside weren't a coincidence. Unfortunately for him, the missing women were mostly low-rent prostitutes, and the Downton Eastside includes the postal code with the lowest average rent in Canada. It wasn't the mayor's highest priority by far.

    Vancouver's Mayor had more police manpower directed towards a high profile pot shop in the area than the case of the 50 missing women. Rossmo's thesis was pooh-poohed and he was demoted and effectively run off the force.

    The missing prostitute case continued to be a willfully low priority of the Vancouver police department until it recieved some publicy (including, I believe, being featured on "America's Most wanted" -- "Vancouver's a great place to be a serial killer -- cops cry '50 missing and all's well!'"

    A little over 2 years later, they've charged a guy with killing 15 of those missing women, and are searching for more remains on his pig farm.

    From what I've been able to piece together, he abused them, killed them, ran their bodies through a meat grinder (or branch grinder) and buried the ground-up bits on his farm.

    In the meantime, Downtown Eastside residents who were formerly unwilling to report mysterious disappearances of friends to the cops have now brought the number of missing women into the 60 person range.

    More info on the missing women case can be found on the CBC website.

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  57. Re:This is scary by MartinB · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Shows what you know. The following is based on real analysis, carried out in the UK by a major supermarket.

    Basket analysis shows that for stores in Joe's area, there's a certain tendency for people to buy beer and nappies (diapers) together. This sparks some qualitative research, and they discover that it's largely because of men sent out to buy nappies also buy beer to reward themselves.

    So as an experiment, the supermarket's store manager places some high-profit brands of nappies next to the beer section. Sales go up, and not only that, more profitable sales go up. Store manager gets a big bonus.

    Next, the supermarket expands the test to neighbourhoods of similar socio-demographic profile to the first one. Sales of high-profit brands go up nationwide, because retail behaviour has a strong correlation to socio-demographic profile. That's the GIS bit - which doesn't actually need tying into individual consumers.

    Even if total sales of nappies don't increase, the sales of specific brands does. This gives the supermarket leverage with nappy manufacturers to extract fees for putting their brands next to the beer section. (Incidentally, many manufacturers don't know exactly how much they're shelling out in promotional costs... which can lead to big holes in their account - as happened to Bulmers recently - 3m+ spent without anyone noticing)

    So while total sales doesn't change, profit does, because there's additional profit from the high-margin brands, and additional shelving fees from the manufacturers.

    And that's just one category... most supermarkets have several thousand categories. Profit doesn't have to increase 100% year on year - double digit is fine, especially in the current climate.

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  58. And in addition... by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 2

    I'd go for ordinary imprisonment. Sure, this and lots of other crimes merit worse, but unfortunately our "justice" system is actually a "conviction" system, and doesn't appear to be batting too high an average on hanging the right guy.

    That, plus if I were a weak loner who had committed crimes generally thought of as cowardly, there is NOTHING I would fear more than going to a U.S. Federal Prison. That would be considerably worse than death...

    1. Re:And in addition... by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      Nah... maximum security Federal prisons are no fun to be sure, but they're not nearly as ugly as a "longtimer" State penn.

  59. There are worse things. by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 2

    He deserves to die in ways more horrible than humans can imagine.

    No, worse. He deserves to live a full life among people who are all fully aware of what he has done, and treat him accordingly.

  60. So? by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 2

    Do you know how many police stations can afford an UltraSparc for this specific purpose? Pretty none (possibly excluding Beverly Hills, CA). Do you know how many already have Windows boxen? Pretty much every one of them.

    Who cares if they can't feed it all the 10 gigs of crime data. This gets them the basic technology in the first place, helping law enforcement with equipment that is available to them. If they can't get 99% probability but have to settle for 95% due to machine constraints, I'd say that still is a pretty good step ahead.

  61. The biggest problem.... by CharlieG · · Score: 2

    The biggest problem I see in using Geoprofiling in _THIS_ case is that there is VERY little "Previous data" to start the profile with. Almost ALL previous sniper incidents in the US have been the "Guy locks himself in a tower, and keeps shooting till the cops kill/catch him" type - In fact, I can't think of another serial sniper incident that wasn't a tower type.

    That's not to say it isn't a useful tool. Criminal Geo-profiling have a in common with various other GIS systems - ESRI is a big player, a lot of the folks doing this kind of work use SAS. The problem is in figuring out what is significant data vs what is not! It would be REAL interesting to see what a good statistian could do with "regular" crime in developing a model.

    Reading the article, it seems that a lot of the variables are on intuition. Sometimes it turns out that variables you don't think are important are, and the reverse is just as often true

    Disclaimer - I am NOT a statistican, but I am married to one who used to do some GIS work

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  62. Re:Shooter is accurate too by ReconRich · · Score: 3, Informative

    This individual does not have military training as his shots have actually not been that accurate and he is not killing for the sake of killing ... so he is doing the killings with a commonly available shorter barrel AR-15 derivatives

    If this guy is making long shots (500 yds +) with an AR-15, then he is as accurate as the most accurate military shooters (I am assuming no scope here). I know, I was a rifle coach/sniper in the USMC. The bullseye used at 500 yds by the USMC represents a man's head and chest. And not even the best shots hit it every time. To get better than that you have to use scopes and bipods, as well as weapons that are tighter than the standard issue M-16. By the way, I am assuming that this guy is making long shots because of the varying reports as to the sound of the shot.

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  63. Subsonic Rounds? by nobody69 · · Score: 2

    The ballistics of the gun/ammo being used just don't fit right since people are saying they don't hear the shots, or don't hear very loud shots, ...

    I've only fired guns on one occasion - at a friends bachelor party - but one of the guns was a AR-15, the civilian version (more or less) of the .223 M-16. It was noticeably quieter than the other guns (and I had headache coming on so I was paying attention to the noise level), except the .22 pistols, especially since Hollywood has conditioned me to expect that guns would sound like thunder. I could definitely see that you might not notice or recognize the sound from a couple hundred yards away in a moderately noisy urban environment.

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  64. Great way to make money off this tragedy!! by budalite · · Score: 2

    I find it highly offensive that this company has wangled an news interviews to take advantage of these killings. If anyone thinks they haven't, you have no idea of what marketing is about and how they do it. Since, I live in the 'affected' area, I'll be a whole lot more impressed if this wonder software actually finds the guy(s).

    (My other .sig is brilliant and funny, but I left it in an another discussion thread.)

  65. Flip side by scubacuda · · Score: 2
    His software, which was developed by a commercial vendor and named Rigel, carries out millions of mathematical equations to give investigators a better sense of a killer's "hunting area" and where he is likely to live...The advantage is you're using computer science and computer analytic abilities to solve a crime," he said."

    Not to mention the ability to make mistakes a million times faster!

  66. Re:Shooter is accurate too by back_pages · · Score: 2
    Well, you're certainly the authority then, eh? ;)

    What do you think about the guy leaving a shell casing behind? I think this would be a terrible error for a military trained sniper, but I'm just a civilian. Obviously the caliber and barrel marks can be gathered from the round, but there could be other evidence on the casing. Is my perception of this overrated? Do you think he was just being cocky by leaving it behind?

  67. Re:You need a Cluestick by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

    Maybe they should go arrest that guy in Florida who yesterday asked a judge to legally change his name to "God". The judge refused and they agreed on the name "I Am Who I Am". Since the killer in MD claims that he is God, maybe they should show up at I Am's house and ask him a few questions...

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  68. Re:I'll tell you why its worse. by kubrick · · Score: 2

    This shithead is such a pansy that he's shooting people from great distance, in the back, and is STILL too scared to take a shot at someone who could concievably fight back!

    I think it has more to do with a form of cruelty, a theory advanced by one of the other replies... he's "sending a message", the message being that he's really one sick fuck. :(

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  69. Sound from the gunshot by plover · · Score: 2
    Everybody within 100 miles of Washington D.C. is so paranoid right now that if anyone heard a balloon pop you'd have phone calls pouring into 911 so fast it'd make a Slashdotting seem like a walk in the park.

    The guy has to be silencing it somehow. My guess is he's shooting from inside a vehicle, out a small port cut out for the purpose. I think he's using his vehicle as a silencer.

    And my vote for punishment (as if anyone had asked?) Life in a solitary cell, bright white light 24 hours/day, white noise pumped in, food and toilet paper served via conveyor belt, no human contact, no human voices. For the next 80 years.

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  70. Re:Shooter is accurate too by plover · · Score: 2
    I think BWJones profile looks very insightful. The guy just "feels" more Columbine than military. Making mistakes like leaving a shell casing are day-one kind of errors, and if the guy is ex-military, I'd think he'd be trying to take pride in his work and training. That'd mean a clean scene, and definite-kill shots, not abdomen shots.

    And why would you assume "no scope"? This whole thing sounds like a guy with a hunting rifle, and scopes there are as common as mosquitos. If he's shooting from a vehicular blind (as I guessed above) then he's also got the advantage of a pre-set-up steady rest. Of course, having the police find a shell casing doesn't fit the vehicular blind theory now, does it? Damn.

    I think the only advantage the police have here is that they know what kind of gun the guy is shooting; and if it's a bolt-action .223 then he'll be easier to take alive. And they want him alive. They'll need a trial and a conviction to make the community feel safe again.

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  71. Nope by Wee · · Score: 2
    A 2700 fps projectile would give someone 900 yards away a little over a second(accounting for some deceleration) to duck correct? Of course by the time the brain recognizes the sound .3 seconds have already passed.

    You see/hear an impact, then hear a shot (or -- even spookier -- you hear the whine of the bullet going past you followed by the sound of the shot a bit later; the disconnect between the two is freaky). You'd have to be looking directly at the shooter to know you were being targeted. If you could manage to see him shooting at you, you probably could duck. Maybe. 900 yards is a long shot, though. In fact, it's probably too long for a .223 to be very effective. Anyone shooting at that range would get something more powerful (heavier bullets not being swayed by wind as much, retaining more energy at impact, etc.). A .308 or 30-06/7.62x54R would do (assuming you stick with military cartridges). That's still a long shot... too long for your average gun owner. A heavier round would be moving slower, though, so it might get there about the same time.

    BTW, the lag between impact and the sound of the shot is one of those things very few movies get right. Although when they do, it makes for much scarier scene.

    (As a disclaimer: I've only been shot at a few times, and not once in any sort of combat-type situation. So I'm probably not the best judge of what it's like to be shot at from long ranges.)

    -B

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