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TiBook Wi-Fi Range Hack: New Card

eggboard writes "Apple likes the profit margins on its internal AirPort card (still $100 three years after introduction), but the Faraday cage that is the Titanium PowerBook keeps the AirPort card and the TiBook's internal antenna from achieving the same range as the plastic-cased white dual-USB iBooks. Wired News reports today on Cliff Skolnick et al's hack, which is simply to use a 200 mW PC Card coupled with OS X-compatible drivers. The cost winds up less than an AirPort Card, and you can get a model with an external antenna jack, too."

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  1. Hack? by TotallyUseless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buying a WiFi card and installing drivers is a hack? mmmmmk.

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    1. Re:Hack? by adelayde · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I totally agree with you. How on Earth does this deserve an article, let alone being posted on /.? Yes we had the same problem when we ran a solar and peddle powered internet cafe [plug] this summer with the titanium casing, the iBooks were loads less sensitive. But really, the thing comes with a PCMCIA slot, so it's hardly rocket science to go and buy a WiFi card no is it!? I use a slimline Buafflo WaveLAN cards, there are some drivers for it on the net somewhere, try Google, works very well, but don't eject it whilst the interface is being used unless you're in to seeing OS X crash!

      Next we'll see articles on how connecting and external DVD-RAM drive via firewire, solves the problem of them not coming with TiBooks!

  2. Cheaper, but you lose stability by Hairy_Potter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Goodness knows that Macs command a premium on their hardware, but that's because all their official Apple Hardware has been thoroughly tested and debugged against the various OSii. King Jobs rules a stern and strict kingdom, but at least you get stability.

    In contrast, if you start sticking commodity PC hardware in their with poorly tested drivers, yeah, you may save a few bucks, but you lose a lot of stability, your TiBook may no longer be capable of multiday uptimes.

    Here's a little experiment, go to any Mac forum and read up on hardware/software bugs, you'll find that 70% of them have been due to poorly designed third party software. Jobs may be greedy, but he also wants you have to the best, most reliable software out there.

    1. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      1. No, but any PC133 or DDR RAM and go to town.
      2. Macs haven't come with floppy drives since 1998. Go polish your PS/2 port and plug in an ISA card. (Joke)

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    2. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      go to any Mac forum and read up on hardware/software bugs, you'll find that 70% of them have been due to poorly designed third party software.

      First, I do not mean this as an anti-Mac troll, so please don't take it as such.

      The fact that the OS loses stability when running 3rd party software does NOT say much for the quality of its own engineering. *Anyone* can write a standalone app suite that, under ideal conditions (ie, a vanilla W2K install and just the app suite running) will seem rock-solid.

      In the real world, however, hundreds or even thousands of different software packages, most from different developers, must occupy the same physical machine. A decent OS *MUST* acknowledge that and not only deal with, but *expect*, poor behavior on the part of its apps. Not every app returns a meaningful value, not every app completely frees its memory, not every app releases all the hardware it asked to use. None of those "should" happen, but especially when a program crashes, they *do* happen. The OS has to figure out a way to clean up no matter what a user-space program does.

      No, I don't intend to say that any one OS does a whole lot better (cough, cough, Linux, cough), but I would not consider "stability under ideal conditions" a big selling point.

    3. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by Scott+Wood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Linux, like any monolithic kernel, gives complete privilege to drivers (including those for wireless networking devices), allowing them to crash the system at will. I suggest you invest in some cough drops.

    4. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by Quixotic+Raindrop · · Score: 2

      3. or go use your two button mouse
      4. or go play your games we won't get for 6 months (if we're lucky...)


      Hm. I have a two-button ... er, three button ... mouse for my iBook ... sure, I had to buy it.

      I was also smart enough to know when I bought it that I actually needed one. Probably 99% of PCs (and most Macs, anymore) don't come with RCA Composite out cables for directly connecting with a VCR ... so, if you need to do that, you buy the tool you need. You know if you need it or not.

      Newbie users and two button mice? You've never done phone support for newbies, have you? You'd know better. Two button mice is an intermediate concept, and not a good idea for new users. Since one of the Macintosh's primary audiences is, and always has been, new users, shipping with single-button mice makes a lot of sense.

      Oh, and if the game comes out late, that's unfortunate. What difference does six months make in the overall scheme of life? What kind of a spoiled, demanding brat are you if you can't wait six months for a new way to detach from reality? I would say that if six months is too long for you to wait for a new escapist activity, you should seek therapy.

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    5. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by ehintz · · Score: 2

      FUD. Plain and simple. This argument made sense under OS 9; under X it's for the most part a moot point. If the wireless driver dies (and I've used it for over a year with a Lucent card on a Wallstreet G3 with zero trouble-and that with bizzare base stations like OpenBSD as well as the Lucent AP1000), so what? It's not like OS 9 where everything dies. The network access dies. Wahh. Welcome to the wonderful world of BSD underneath. Sure, under OS 9 you'd probably be doing the cmd-cntrl-power stunt. That was then, this is now...

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    6. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by gaudior · · Score: 2

      Third Party drivers, not applications. Drivers run in the priveledged kernel environment. The amount of damage a poorly written, tested, and debugged driver can do is much greater than an application of similar shoddy quality.

    7. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      The never did it as a special-built option. You can get Zip drives as such, and you can always buy a retail USB floppy drive through the Apple store.

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    8. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by asv108 · · Score: 3, Offtopic
      Linux, like any monolithic kernel, gives complete privilege to drivers (including those for wireless networking devices), allowing them to crash the system at will. I suggest you invest in some cough drops.

      Well if that were the case, why is Linux so damn stable? I have 2 systems running beta and expirmental wireless and firewire drivers that have never crashed. In my experience with Linux, drivers are sometimes a pain in the ass to get working, but once they are working they don't crash.

    9. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by Pengo · · Score: 2


      I don't really get your point. I get blue screens on windows with shitty drivers. I get kernel panics on Linux with shitty drivers *cough nVidia*. I get system freezes on openbsd with bad ram.

      Lets face it, the whole point of getting the whole widget, the stuff should just work. This is whole reason that MS is doing the certified hardware crap, that doesn't seem to really be helping much, is to gain stability in the OS.

      I don't believe you can properly protect the system from the hardware and bad drivers and maintain good performance. Maybe some modern mach kernels will do it, but I don't see anything mainstream in the CONSUMERS hands that do it.

    10. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by FyRE666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Try using the NVidia drivers with a GF2 sometime, it may not crash today, or tomorrow, but eventually... The only time I've seen linux crash has been through driver/hardware problems...

    11. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by Bartab · · Score: 2

      Hm. I have a two-button ... er, three button ... mouse for my iBook ... sure, I had to buy it.

      That's a valid point for a desktop, but for a laptop (as your ibook) it is not. Try using your external add on mouse on a plane, or in any situation where it's a laptop, instead of ap ortable desktop.

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    12. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by punkass · · Score: 2, Informative
      Josh,

      Go here.

      Go Storage:Floppy Drives:USB.

      Pick the first non-ECS product you see.

      Voila, under $40, shipped. Some people pay more for software....

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    13. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by be-fan · · Score: 2

      I've been using NVIDIA Linux drivers since they came out, on everything from a TNT to a GeForce4 MX. I've never had a single crash.

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    14. Re:Cheaper, but you lose stability by fgodfrey · · Score: 2

      Err, I don't wanna burst your bubble, but even under Unix, a bad driver can ruin your day. As another poster above mentioned, drivers have full access to everything. This means they get to crash your system. This is true under Solaris, Net/Free/OpenBSD, Linux, Irix, Windows, MacOS 9, MacOS X, ProDOS, and just about anything else you can think of. While it would be theoretically possible to isolate off driver access, in reality it becomes rather difficult. Irix has an interface to do drivers entirely in userspace, but even then, there is a possibility that they can screw stuff up since they are directly manipulating hardware.

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  3. What a hack. by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny
    Wow. They managed to plug in another card and install the drivers for it.


    I just installed a new video card in my machine. Can I get that written up as a hack on Slashdot? Or does it only count if I use a Mac?

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    1. Re:What a hack. by anothermortal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously dude. I work for Johns Hopkins, and a small sect (used politely, of course!) of us are Mac loyalists...we've done this already. Its not news, except it involves Macs, and OS X. (the default aiport driver worked with the Orinoco cards, as I recall)

    2. Re:What a hack. by thinkliberty · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did you even read the article?

      "By porting an open-source Prism driver from Berkeley Unix to OS X, McKeever was able to get Prism cards working on the Mac."

      Yeah. Port a video card driver from Berkeley Unix to OS X/Darwin and you would most likely get written up on Slashdot.

  4. in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a new hack, area man Bob Tinklepee discovers that his iMac's power cord is "completely interchangable" with the one his PC, thus saving him the $1400 expense of replacing his iMac with a new one when the cord became frayed.

    Members of online community slashdot were quick to praise the hack, but their fun was soon over when Apple filed a lawsuit against Bob for violating the DMCA.

    Tough nuts, Bob!

    1. Re:in other news by BWJones · · Score: 3, Informative

      In a new hack, area man Bob Tinklepee discovers that his iMac's power cord is "completely interchangable" with the one his PC, thus saving him the $1400 expense of replacing his iMac with a new one when the cord became frayed.

      Actually, I believe the power cord on the iMac is unique and not interchangeable with the PC. Oh well, the power cord on my dual G4 is at least standard.

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    2. Re:in other news by XorNand · · Score: 4, Interesting


      I don't know about the new iMacs, but the older candy-colored ones had a standard power cord. They are translucent with multicolored wires (like the iMac they came with). I'm using one on my PC right now, in fact. Just another one of those little details that Apple is known for. How many PC vendors would bother with custom made power cords?

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    3. Re:in other news by White+Roses · · Score: 2

      The flat panel iMacs, rather than the D-shaped cord, use a, erm, three-bubble shaped one. Kinda like three-fifths of the olympic logo, if that helps describe it. I don't think they are proprietary, as the older Compaq Armada laptops had the same kind of cord (the power supply was internal). Still, I haven't tried an Armada cord with my iMac yet: the cord is beige, it would ruin the decor.

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    4. Re:in other news by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Considering I have a dead power cord, let me know if you find a source for other cords like that. Apple insisted I'd have to buy a new power supply for my iBook - I wasn't allowed to replace the cord.

    5. Re:in other news by dr00g911 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The power cords on the original iMacs (and every desktop Mac to date beforehand besides the cube) were industry-standard "D" plugs.

      The new flat-panel iMac is also a "D" plug, but the plastic molding around it is shaped kinda funny in a cloverleaf pattern, and it plugs in flush with the back of the unit to keep from breaking any lines, design-wise.

      You could take a dremel/exacto and a lot of patience to a standard power plug and it would work. But it would be really, really ugly.

      If worse came to worse and my cord shorted out/got chewed up by something, I'd probably order the Apple part instead of trying a hack. The new iMacs are just so nice looking, it'd be a shame to detract from it.

    6. Re:in other news by dubiousmike · · Score: 2

      Custom power cords?!?

      No wonder I paid so much for my Imac.

    7. Re:in other news by imadork · · Score: 3, Informative
      Considering I have a dead power cord, let me know if you find a source for other cords like that. Apple insisted I'd have to buy a new power supply for my iBook - I wasn't allowed to replace the cord.

      Depending on the model of your power supply, pbparts.com may be helpful. I purchased a few extra cords for my iBook's yo-yo adaptor from them, although I had to look in the Pismo section to find it. (Yo-Yo Type Adapter Cord (M7332))

    8. Re:in other news by Otterley · · Score: 3, Informative

      That type of cable is commonly used for Dell laptops as well. You can buy replacements here.

      I'm baffled as to why this new type of cable exists in the first place. Why couldn't they use an ordinary cable?

    9. Re:in other news by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      It's a much smaller plug/housing.

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  5. Other enhancments. by juuri · · Score: 5, Informative

    Search the forums on Ars and you will see that a large problem with the TiBooks is that the antenna inside often shifts during transport. There is a simple fix where you find the antenna and simply push it back into the proper place and the range suddenly increases to almost iBook like quality.

    Wait even better, here is the thread:

    http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tp c&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=3480972435

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    1. Re:Other enhancments. by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 2
      It appears that you have to have a session cookie from the top level of ArsTechnica's discussion boards before you can look at individual messages. So deep linking doesn't work.

      Try searching for "TiBook antenna" in the forums there.

      I hate websites that do this...

  6. Ho hum by Olentangy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been using my old Lucent 802.11b PC-card in my old TiBook for some time because the internal card has such poor range.

    The driver up on source forge works fine.

    Fine, but how is this news?

  7. How does it affect battery life? by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the new card is pumping out 200 milliwatts of radio signal as opposed to the usual 30- to 100-milliwatt range of most 802.11b cards, what is the hit on battery life?

    1. Re:How does it affect battery life? by panurge · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably hardly at all. Radio transmitters are rather efficient in the power stages nowadays and 200mW is very low compared to the screen consumption.

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    2. Re:How does it affect battery life? by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      Well, since you'll be able to take your pr0n-link anywhere, I imagine you'll be surfing that much more, and draining the battery to a greater extent. It's not so much the antenna, but the availability of the connection.

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  8. This is what I do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If I'm having problems with range on the internal Airport card, I put in my PCMCIA card (in linux) and use that.

    Don't usually need it at work or at school, but if I'm really having problems with signal strength, the PCMCIA card works much better. Also get much better reception for war driving. I love kismet

    .:diatonic:.

  9. I switched. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    I was a Mac user for many years..
    [insert pic of attractive woman]
    ..but the terrible range of the TiBook 802.11b they had was just too much.
    I bought a Windows XP based laptop and now my range is all I've ever dreamed of, I'm not locked into one company's hardware and my breath is minty fresh.

    - Val

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  10. As a Mac loyalist... by SPYvSPY · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...this story is an utter insult.

    Why don't you write up something interesting (and useful to me), like how to get Wi-Fi running on my Newton.

  11. The Real Fix for TiBook WiFI by pafischer · · Score: 5, Informative

    A friend of mine found this fix on the macnet2.com message boards. I have tried it on 5 TiBooks so far and it works great. The fix involves popping out our battery and squeezing the side of the case where the serial number label is. I don't understand why it works because the antenna cable runs in the ofther direction. But it does work. I have about 4x the WiFi reception/transmission range since I fixed my TiBook.

    1. Re:The Real Fix for TiBook WiFI by grue23 · · Score: 2

      WOW. I used to get flaky/intermittent reception in my living room (30-40 feet away from the Netgear WAP station upstairs), and squeezing the plastic strip in the battery compartment for 10 seconds or so is giving me PERFECT reception in there. Thank you thank you thank you thank you!

  12. Apple will lose profits not stability by asv108 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Here's a little experiment, go to any Mac forum and read up on hardware/software bugs, you'll find that 70% of them have been due to poorly designed third party software. Jobs may be greedy, but he also wants you have to the best, most reliable software out there.

    See this is the problem with Mac fanboys is they take PR as fact. Steve Jobs doesn't care about software reliability, he cares about make profits. I'm not trying to put him down, because making profits is exactly what he should be doing. Mac's could use "commodity hardware" stably, but that would cannibalize their own hardware business. Why spend money supporting drivers from other hardware companies? So instead they give preference to their own hardware, which they should because Apple is a hardware company. Its not about stability, its about profits, which is not bad thing, but I'm sick of Apple fanboys thinking that their is some mission behind the company besides profits.

    1. Re:Apple will lose profits not stability by gaudior · · Score: 5, Informative
      I am so tired of hearing how Apple doesn't use commodity hardware, etc. What part of FireWire, IDE, SDRAM, USB, AGP, PCI is proprietary to Apple?

    2. Re:Apple will lose profits not stability by namespan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with Mac fanboys is they take PR as fact. Steve Jobs doesn't care about software reliability, he cares about make profits.

      I have no doubt that he cares about both. Part of what powers the Steve Jobs reality distortion field is the he exudes a belief in what he's doing... the attention to detail, the aesthetics of the computing experience. It isn't an afterthought. Steve isn't always right, but it's really easy to believe he's trying to do The Right Thing (TM).

      Illustrative quote: "the problem with Microsoft is that they have no taste" ie, they don't really care about the user experience (and note when I say here that user experience is not just about pretty UI, it's about easy of system administration, and power to do what you'd like to do) except as an afterthought. Whereas Apple has often been concerned with -- even passionate about creating a product they thought was done right.

      Maybe I'm hypnotized by a mind ray. But I think that what it comes down to is that while Apple has to and is therefore concerned about profits and smart business, Apple is also headed by and made up mostly of craftsmen, while most other computing companies are headed by and made up of businessmen. Is there any way to prove this? I don't know. But their presentation has a more honest smell. And I find their products to be of a higher quality than the alternatives.

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    3. Re:Apple will lose profits not stability by rworne · · Score: 2, Insightful
      5v serial ports, 5v DIMMs, NuBus, localtalk, motoroized eject disk drives, making people call FireWire 1001 different names, and other fun little stupidities?

      Or VESA Local Bus, EISA, Microchannel, 486sx, SIPPs, Hercules, CGA, EGA, 8514a. And as a more modern example: iLink (as a stupid firewire name). Different architectures have different hardware needs and implementations. Just 'cause none (exception:FireWire) of your examples ever showed up on a PC, doesn't mean that the PC world isn't guilty of the same crimes.

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    4. Re:Apple will lose profits not stability by geekee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All of it, since if you want a Mac, you can only buy it from Apple. It doesn't matter that they've switched to pc-like hardware. It's still a proprietary system.

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    5. Re:Apple will lose profits not stability by shepd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >Or VESA Local Bus, EISA, Microchannel, 486sx, SIPPs, Hercules, CGA, EGA, 8514a.

      All of these are backwards compatible, though.

      VLB and EISA support ISA cards. MCA was proprietary and died before it got off the floor like it should have. 486sx? That supported all 386 and 486 software. SIPPs, I'm told, worked fine as SIMMs if you removed the legs (not to mention I've only EVER had one mobo that used them -- they died like they should have too!). All those video standards you talk about are FULLY supported by all modern VGA controllers. Not to mention many of those controllers themselves were backwards compatible. And that they were all fully documented -- so much so they were copied successfully by numerous companies.

      >Different architectures have different hardware needs and implementations.

      Yes. But PCs are fully documented, and when there's already a set standard for something, they don't break compatability for that standard. The standard DIMM was 3.3v, but Apple chose to ignore the standard, costing users money and time. This goes for many of those items. Motorized eject disk drives are something I've only ever seen on a Mac. Same with localtalk and NuBus.

      At least (I'm told) ISA was intended to be easy for an S100 bus designer to adapt to...

      Maybe the difference is that when a proprietary standard is introduced into the PC world, it dies almost instantly, no matter how much howling and bawling IBM does. Whereas in the Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field, proprietary standards are forced down users throats until Steve Jobs' decides they suck. Not to mention the documentation thing again, as well.

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    6. Re:Apple will lose profits not stability by rworne · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ah, yes. But just because a standard is on the PC, does not make it a standard for the Mac world. What is standard in the Mac world also is not necessarily a standard for PCs. Memory costs are pretty much a function of supply and demand, the lower supply of 5v RAM means higher costs. Macs even then were a fraction of the PC marketshare.

      Apple introduced that ejecting floppy drive (3 1/2") back when PCs were still using 5 1/4" 360K floppy disks. Now that PC's have non-ejecting 3 1/2" drives, the Apple move looked strange. But back then it was innovative, and probably because of that you have these drives in PC's today. Apples response now is to get rid of floppies altogether. The PC world is still apparently scratching their collective heads trying to come up with a decent, universal floppy replacement: CDR, Zip, USB dongle or other flash media, LS120, CDs, etc.

      VLB was proprietary, I never saw it on anything but PC's. EISA is apparently on life support, the 486sx and 386sx were crude hacks, lets not forget those other great chips by Cyrix and other failed Intel CPU clone manufacturers. Warts like these are commonplace, and proprietary hardware standards do fail, I only wish proprietary software protocols would fail as well.

      Now if you want to complain about Apple OEM CDROM and hard drives that would work on a Mac, but the cheaper OEM drives without the Apple name would not without 3rd party software/hacks, then you have a good point. However, PC companies *cough* Compaq *cough* did odd things like this with their hardware as well.

      I think most PC manufacturers (and Apple) are a bit older and wiser now.

      Apple doesn't do any of this OEM crap now. Their system is more "open" than it ever has been before. Yes, the case isn't an ATX case, but who cares? It has SDRAM/DDRAM, AGP/PCI, USB, FireWire, 10/100/1G Ethernet. On the software side they have TCP/IP, and any other "UNIX" protocol. It plays Quicktime, Windows Media, Realvideo, MP3, MPEG1, Divx and others. Yes, they have that funky video connector, but that can be fixed with a cheap cable if you don't like Apple's monitor offerings. There are other computer platforms that have proprietary buses, interfaces, memory and protocols but you don't neccessarily see their users bitching every day about it.

      Note that I am a recent addition to the Mac community, and not particularly a fan of Apple after the Apple II and before OS X. In fact, I was a critic - I can't stand the "classic" MacOS and wasn't fond of their early PowerPC hardware. I see your point, I just don't believe Apple isn't any more or less guilty than the PC world. Mac users and PC users each live in their own "fishbowls"- anything outside their comfortable little worlds are both strange and frightening to them.

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    7. Re:Apple will lose profits not stability by Dahan · · Score: 2
      Link To an Amiga 1000. Notice the 3.5" floppy with eject button in 1985. :-)

      I'm not sure I understand your point... if you mean that the Amiga had floppies with an eject button before Apple had motorized eject floppies, 1985 isn't early enough. The Mac came out in 1984. The Lisa came out in 1983. Both used motorized eject 3.5" drives.

  13. Wired and Macs by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is it that almost every other day Wired has an article about Mac-users doing something wacky. I thought maybe it was because alot of Mac users out there were doing really interesting things like the guy who totes all the old Macs around to raves and sets up old school game LANs. But now I wonder... does Wired report every time a Mac user picks his nose? Some of their past stories were a little questionable, but this one is downright stupid. And I love the title "Mac Toters Push Wireless Bounds", wow, look at me, according to Wired I must be pushing the boundaries of my coffee, I'm ADDING SUGAR.
    I love my Mac, and I enjoy reading about other Mac users and their quirks, but come on Wired, keep a sense of reality here. Wired is about CULTURE, not technology. The past articles were always about the personalities using Macs to do unique things, but this one reads like a survey review of WiFi cards out of MacAddict.

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  14. Anything non-stock is a "hack" according to apple. by zerofoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm the network admin for a school, and Apple tech support REFUSES to talk to you if you've got anything "non-stock" in the machine! What kind of crap is that? I installed a RAID 1 card in my boss's machine, (since he's already had one hard drive failure) and 6 months later his mainboard goes bad....apple wouldn't talk to me until I removed the RAID card and put back the factory hard drive.

    Needless to say, that didn't fix the mainboard problem. Then to add insult to injury, Apple wouldn't send me a replacement board (like Dell and Gateway do). I had to take the thing to a local service shop! Apple services it's machines like they are microwaves, or VCRs.....ARRRGH!

    Can you imagine Dell or Gateway refusing to troubleshoot problems with you because you've installed a new internal peripheral (i.e network adapter, video card, sound card...etc)?

    No wonder corporate america stays away from these things....the support is awful.

    -ted

  15. Re:Crappy airport by pauljlucas · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It is still only 10 base while all the desktop units are gigabit.
    First, 802.11b is 11 Mbit, not 10. Second, an Airport card in a desktop G4 is still 11 Mbit.
    Who still uses 10bit? No artissts I know. They all hook up with 100 base cable.
    OK, so you're really not talking about Gbit, you're talking about 100 Mbit. And wired ethernet, not wireless.
    Apple is supposed to be an innovator not the lazy company that lets its technolgy rot as every other manufactuer comes out with their own system that has much greater speed capibility.
    Apple isn't in the wireless chipset business. They don't make, research, or innovate their own wireless cards any more than they make, research, or innovate hard disks, flat panel displays, modems, or most of the other commodity hardware they use. They buy/license the hardware and technology from other vendors. By the way, Lucent makes the Airport cards for Apple.

    Apple needs to be compatible with other wireless networks where PCs can connect. They can't simply have their own proprietary wireless standard just because it's faster. Apple isn't Microsoft: they can't pull the same kind of crap that MS does with their own proprietary standards.

    Apple needs to put out a wireless Gigabit aiport and cards for the extreame [sic] price they are charging.
    Wireless gigabit doesn't exist. There is, however, 802.11a and 802.11g that offer more bandwidth. Unforunately, the market hasn't decided which of these two incompatible standards to settle on. 802.11g is slower, but backwards compatible with 802.11b. My bet is that Apple will eventually go with that one. But the market penetration of non-802.11b wireless is currently insignificant.

    Extreme price? The Airport card is $99 which is about $40-$50 cheaper than 3rd party 802.11b cards.

    You really have no idea what you're talking about.

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  16. The external antenna by thefinite · · Score: 5, Informative

    I like *not* having an external antenna on my TiPB. My laptop constantly goes in and out of my school bag. I prefer not having to pay extra attention to a little peice of plastic sticking out in these and other such situations.

    Besides, there are ways to improve the range of the built-in card (I get great range). This discussion thread gives some interesting info.

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    1. Re:The external antenna by pauljlucas · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I like *not* having an external antenna on my TiPB. My laptop constantly goes in and out of my school bag. I prefer not having to pay extra attention to a little peice of plastic sticking out in these and other such situations.
      I agree completely. I had a G3 PowerBook (Lombard, not Pismo, so no internal AirPort slot -- running Linux no less!) with a Lucent card before my TiBook. I love my Lombard: it makes a great Linux laptop. But the Lucent card was a pain to pull in and out and start/stop the drivers.

      Having integrated wireless is so nice: you just open the lid and it's on; close the lid and it's off. Nothing to insert or remove; nothing to type, nothing to click.

      Also, for the record, the later model TiBooks improved the wireless reception (I have a spanking new 800 MHz model). I get reception virtually as good as my Lombard got (at least for all the places I do wireless). Only once was it slightly worse. But in my house, cafe, and at work, the base station isn't far so it's not an issue.

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    2. Re:The external antenna by Brento · · Score: 2

      I like *not* having an external antenna on my TiPB. My laptop constantly goes in and out of my school bag. I prefer not having to pay extra attention to a little peice of plastic sticking out in these and other such situations.

      The point is that the range on the TiPB is bad because the internal antenna is enclosed inside a metal Faraday cage (the titanium laptop shell). The integrated wireless nics in Thinkpads, Latitudes, Evos, etc., get much better range because the notebook shell is a metal composite or a plastic. They're not knocking integrated antennas, just integrated antennas that are wrapped in metal, which don't function as well.

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    3. Re:The external antenna by overunderunderdone · · Score: 2

      The point is that the range on the TiPB is bad because the internal antenna is enclosed inside a metal Faraday cage

      This may still be true, but I just did the "remove-battery - press-on-serial-number" trick mentioned elswhere in this discussion and to my astonishment IT WORKED. I am getting a good connection with my TiBook in a room where previously I got ZERO signal. I'm so pleased right now I'm going to have to leave this discussion altogether. Otherwise I'll be seriously tempted to reply to every single post singing the Hossannas of this little trick.

  17. Or you just ... by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 2

    Plug in a Lucent / Orinco / Wavelan / this months brand name ... PCMCIA card and the Apple drivers work with it. And they all have little rubber plugs over the external antenna jacks ... No instability, no problems ... And, the cards are cheaper than the suggested cards if you look around for them. Alas Apple won't give you firmware updates for them (or the ones in the "hack") so you'll need virtual PC (or a real one) in some cases to update to the latest and greatest firmware. Sheessh ... Hack it not was. ohhhh.

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    1. Re:Or you just ... by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 2

      mea culpa ... I have the sourceforge originated driver installed for OS X. The Apple supplied drivers dies at OS 9. The project is Wireless Driver.

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  18. Will it work with the Airport? by andawyr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know very much about wireless architectures, and what is compatible with what, but will the EnGenius cards work with the Airport?

    I have a TiBook and an Airport, and have found the combination almost useless. As soon as there is a *partial* wall between the laptop and the Airport, the signal fades, and then starts to drop, until it finally won't connect anymore (forget about trying to span floors!). I have to physically reset the Airport to make it work once the signal is 'gone'.

    I'm not sure if the Airport is defective or what -it works fine when I have visual contact within 30 feet, but further than that, or introduce any obstructions, and all bets are off.

    I've read about an invasive hack for the Airport where you add a 'signal booster', but I'm thinking that sliding in a 3rd party network card is much simpler, assuming that the drivers are stable.

  19. Wi-Fi on the Newt by Jim+McCoy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Ask and ye shall receive:



    Newton wavelan/wi-fi drivers

  20. That's the way it works... by qurob · · Score: 2, Insightful


    HP won't help you because you're out of warranty, IBM won't help you because they didn't make the printer OR your modem, USR says everything is fine, AOL won't help you unless you reinstall Windows from scratch and THEN install AOL 8.0...

    It's called PASSING THE BUCK

  21. boosts reception for incoming network packets by pete-classic · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The EnGenius pumps out 200 milliwatts of radio signal, compared with the 30- to 100-milliwatt range of most 802.11b cards, and similarly boosts reception for incoming network packets.[emphasis mine]


    Huh? Can anyone explain this? Seems flat out wrong to me, but what do I know?

    -Peter
  22. Re:Anything non-stock is a "hack" according to app by Archfeld · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dell does refuse to trouble shoot anything but an authorized configuration, meaning what they shipped, or someother setup that they support explicitly. It is a corporate standard, no touchie the insides....of course us server monkies never RTFM or follow the rules :)Although I've had real good luck with Dell support, their phone people are sharp and quite helpful.

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  23. Re:OS X - switchers by barfarf · · Score: 3, Informative

    I suppose that I don't have as much an issue with the wi-fi "hacking", per se, as much as I have an issue with it being "news"...

    Both Ellen and Apple must be doing _something_ right - Ellen apparently has a bit of a following:

    http://www.ellenfeiss.net/
    http://ellenfeiss.gl oriousnoise.com/
    http://www.wemakedotcoms.com/ell en/

    Besides, I can't tell you the number of times I've had to "hack" something on linux to make it work with something that wasn't designed to work with it anyhow - wireless cards included.

  24. Use the lucent cards? by sahmed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just get a lucent Orinoco card. Stick it in an apple and it shows up as an Airport Card. The airport is simply the lucent cards without the antenna.

    The lucent cards also come with a jack for an external antenna.

    How is sticking a pcmcia card a hack, or even newsworthy?

  25. Range in TiPB by pavera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    my business partner has an airport card in his Ti, we have a wireless net at our office,
    he gets much better range than I do with my laptop and a prism chipset wnic. He can wander all around outside our building, and he never drops his connection, I on the other hand am lucky if I get reception on both floors inside the building (the ap is on the top floor, and generally on the bottom floor I don't connect, he does. So I haven't seen these problems with airport cards not getting good reception.

  26. This fix just worked for me!!!!!! by DJ+FirBee · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just powered down and did this fix. First time I have ever got 4 bars in my living room.

    Thanks pafischer!! and Thank You Slashdot.

    This rocks.

  27. you're..... what??! by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is there a HOWTO somewhere on this sugar in the coffee thing? Will it work with my system? I tried it once but I got stuck because my espresso machine only has one mouse button.

  28. Umm. FCC limits you to 100mw for 802.11b by Vakara · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unless you are doing point-to-point or frequency hopping. The spec sheet for the card ( from www.engeniustech.com ) says it's using DSSS, so it's not frequency hopping. How are they able to claim FCC compliance with this thing?

  29. Automatic power control by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    A lot of radio devices nowadays (Some WLAN cards included) support automatic power control - Power is automatically reduced to the minimum needed for communication.

    The RF portion is probably in the 20-40% range. Either way, it's a difference of maybe 2 watts consumption vs. 1 watt consumption at the worst, which is a tiny fraction of the power consumed by most laptops these days...

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  30. Re:is this possible with the white iBook? by sfgoth · · Score: 2

    Is it possible to install any other manufacturer's cards internally within the iBook?

    No. Don't try, or you will fry something.

    The Apple AirPort card is a Lucent PCMCIA card, but with a different voltage feed, and pins swapped around.

    It's not impossible to get a Lucent card to work in the AirPort slot, but it requires hacking up the inside of the card. It's not worth it. It's not possible at all to get other cards to work in the slot.

    Just buy the Apple card. Think of the $50 extra it will cost you as the cost of having great antennas built into the screen. I'm typing this on a white iBook over AirPort, and I get amazing range.

    -pmb

  31. Re:Anything non-stock is a "hack" according to app by rworne · · Score: 2, Informative
    Apple has what are called "user seriviceable parts".

    These parts include: optical drives, RAM, hard drives, keyboards, mice and monitors.

    Other parts such as motherboards are considered far beyond the realm of user serviceability, and require taking the machine in to a tech. While there are those of us who are capable of performing such a task, I am sure that there are many more users that cannot. If I were a manufacturer who was supplying warranties on these products, I would not want users with unknown capabilities messing with delicate ESD-sensitive components on which that I would be liable for future repairs.

    Apple has been more than willing to help me with crapped-out parts, but these parts were items such as a dead Superdrive and iBook power adapter. Such parts that are allowed to be replaced can be done so easily, and save Apple a lot of cash and effort and by sending the replacements via overnight, save me a crapload of time.

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  32. Bzzt... Wrong... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

    If the company spent the time and money to modify the Prism2/2.5/3 reference designs for 200 mW transmit, there's a good chance they improved receive sensitivity too.

    Not sure about the Engenius card listed in this article, but it is a close relative of the Demarctech ReliaWave 200 mW card, which has a receive sensitivity spec that's significantly better (-96 dBm) than even Orinoco cards, which are one of the best ones receive-wise. FAR better than average Prism2 cards, which suck.

    And you're also wrong about the antenna position - Look at the pictures in the article, the antenna is on the end of the card, it is NOT inside the box.

    Lastly, the article mentions availability of an external antenna option for these cards - Not an option for the internal AirPort card.

    These three things added up equals a solution that will blow away the internal AirPort configuration away.

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  33. Oops, forgot linkage... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Info on the Demarctech card:

    http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz /r eliawave-rwz-200mw-prism2-5-pcmcia-card.html

    They get pretty good reviews on the NetStumbler forums.

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  34. Better frontend by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    Not all receive preamps are created equal.

    Some are noisier than others. For example, you can make a cheapo preamp using a MiniCircuits MMIC for $10, it has a NF of 3-5 dB

    Some of MCL's units are better, in the 2.5 dB range - A full preamp unit might cost $20 to make

    You can get a 2.4 GHz preamp with a 0.5 dB nF for $100 or so.

    And there are parts worse than the MCL units - Even a 5 dB NF MCL unit put in front of an Orinoco will yield significant improvements.

    So in short, the people who made this card upgraded the receiver performance to match the transmitter. (This is why there is a point to those 500 mW external amps - All of them include pretty nice recieve preamps too.)

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  35. NetStumbler.com by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

    The forums there have some excellent antenna discussions.

    I know www.fab-corp.com has some "blade" antennas that will stick on the back of a laptop, but I'm sure these suffer from some pretty nasty pattern distortion due to the display occluding half the antenna pattern. Still, they're not too cumbersome and should be an improvement.

    There are a few small "desktop" antennas available at www.fab-corp.com and www.hdcom.com (I think that second URL is correct...)

    Also, even a homebrew quarter-wave "toothpick" antenna (see the NS forums) is a pretty good improvement over the internal antenna of an Orinoco or similar card. Probably wouldn't be too hard to devise a way to clip it or stick it to the back of the upper edge of a laptop's display casing.

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  36. Re:Anything non-stock is a "hack" according to app by Lucky_Sal_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've had Apple overnight a HD on one occasion and on another occasion, a keyboard (coffee spill disaster). They didn't even ask for the damaged items back. All under warranty, free of charge. Apple support is O.K. in my book.

  37. Slashdot subverted by goon+america · · Score: 2, Funny
    Now that the whole Slashdot crew has TiBooks, be prepared to see a lot more trivial stories like this about them.

    According to the Los Angeles Times, the KGB has discovered that if you hold your Powerbook sideways, you get this cool portrait view with the picture on its side. Also, check out a way to flip the fn and ctrl keys. Neat!

    P.S. I have one, too.

  38. Cisco LEAP? by dadragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My University uses Cisco LEAP to keep unauthorised people off their wireless network. PCs work with Cisco cards, and MacOS X 10.[12] work with internal Airport cards.

    When it asks for your password, just use , and it works. Can you do this with a cheap card and drivers?

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  39. I just did it, IT WORKS! by overunderunderdone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just did this and it WORKS. In my basement office I get ZERO reception, maybe one bars flickers on for a second or two every few days (I use an ethernet cable when I'm down here). After doing this little trick I'm getting three bars and a workable connection (four bars if I adjust my position - I'll have to move my desk)

    From the threads on Ars it looks like you could get even better reception if you could do the same thing to the antenna on the other side. It does seem (just playing around with it right now) that it favors the side with the battery. It seems I get better reception if I rotate the book so that the side with the battery (where I just adjusted the antenna) I get better reception than if the other side (with the DVD drive) is facing the base station.

    1. Re:I just did it, IT WORKS! by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 2

      As a fellow powerbook G4 user, I feel your pain at needing to use an Ethernet cable. Here you have a laptop which in my case, is worth about two months salary.. and if you want to connect it to a network you have two choices. Choice 1 is to use Airport.. which depending on which direction you're facaing and what elevation you're at, will drive you insane.. or Choice 2, to use an Ethernet cable. The downside of using an Ethernet cable, is that they're almost impossible to remove. Great planning Apple. I really think the Ethernet ports in these should have been mounted upside down.. would have made things so much easier.

  40. Re:Anything non-stock is a "hack" according to app by Sharkyfour · · Score: 3, Informative

    I used to work for a school system as a technician, and I had no trouble getting replacement parts, including motherboards, from Apple. Our school district signed up with AppleOrder and AppleService which allowed us to login to their website, pick which part we needed, select if it was under warranty or not (and enter serial # so they could confirm it), and Airborne Express would be there the next morning with the replacement part. It was really very quick and easy, and was much better than dealing with Gateway when we needed a fix under warranty. I'm not sure what cost, if any, there was to use it, but considering I had to order parts twice a week from them, it really was handy.

  41. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Insightful

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  42. You need a better backpack by Wee · · Score: 2
    I like *not* having an external antenna on my TiPB. My laptop constantly goes in and out of my school bag. I prefer not having to pay extra attention to a little peice of plastic sticking out in these and other such situations.

    You need a better backpack bag. I have a Thinkpad with a Lucent card that sticks out, and I have never had an issue once I found my Tumi backpack. That bag absolutely rocks. It's the best made. Tough as iron, pockets sized to fit CDs/media, a handle on the top, a "file cabinet" pocket for docs and loose papers, and really comfortable straps.

    The actual compartment that holds the laptop has a foam liner (which is removeable if you want to carry normal stuff) that protects the sides and bottom. There's about five inches in between the laptop and the top of the bag, so the Lucent card sticks up in the air and is nicely protected.

    If you need a more general purpose backpack which also carries a laptop, then check out Tumi's other models.

    -B

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  43. D00d, YOU RULE!! by Bobartig · · Score: 2

    I can't believe that's all it took to improve my airport signal. Not that my apt is huge, but now I get 4 bars strength everywhere inside, instead of 0-2 in the bedroom. This little "part" must have come loose in like EVERY tibook ever made. I'm speechless, stupified. I used to work for Apple, they've got fleets of Ti's out there, and noone's ever mentioned this. Must be a new "discovery". Any rate, thanks for pointing it out!

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  44. The "Ultimate Wardriving Machine" by cjsnell · · Score: 2

    WiReD says the TiBook may become the "Ultimate Wardriving Machine". As an owner of a TiBook/667, let me tell you why this laptop isn't going to be the ultimate wardriving machine, at least not without a lot of work:

    1) Lack of decent OS X wardriving software -- Yes, there is MacStumbler but it does not support the WirelessDriver Project yet. On top of that, it's been a while since the last release of MacStumbler. Is it still being actively developed?

    2) Lack of (free) GPS hardware support and lack of GPS integration into MacStumbler.

    3) Suitability for in-care use -- Let's face it, the TiBook is fragile as hell. The outer casing is easily dented. Secondly, it's not a small laptop and doesn't fit easily on the dashboard or even on the passenger seat of my Honda. To solve this, we need to come up with some kind of padded mount.

    1. Re:The "Ultimate Wardriving Machine" by cjsnell · · Score: 2


      Holy Cow, I complain about lack of free GPS support and two hours later, look what I find on VersionTracker! So, I guess the next step is to merge the GPS code from this into MacStumbler.

  45. Paid by Apple (not a troll) by The+Pi-Guy · · Score: 2

    Would it ever be normal for this to appear on /.? "Oh, I just stuck a card in my iBook and after I ported drivers to it's nice... open source... UNIX... core *pauses to watch geeks salivate*, I got it slashdotted." If it weren't Apple, this wouldn't happen. And why are there now 8 different "Apple" topics? And the Aqua theme?? Thank you.

    This is not a troll. Or at least it wasn't intended that way. It's just an (admittedly off-topic) observation.

    Do your worst, mods.
    --j

  46. Why did I have to find out about this on slashdot? by zerofoo · · Score: 2

    Thanks for the info. I'll look into it.

    One has to wonder why no one at Apple told me about this?

    -ted