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Star Wars Producer Says Box Office is Doomed

Cutriss writes "Seen at CNN, this article interviews Rick McCallum, longtime producer at LucasFilms. McCallum says that DVDs will be responsible for the downfall of the movie industry *without* taking piracy into account, due to the fact that people think the home theatre experience is just as good, or better than the big screens, and they know that in five months, the DVD will be out on the market. Of course, his claim that "studios are barely breaking even" falls on deaf ears when I hear about 9-digit salaries for individual actors in a big-name film that's just some rehash of an old concept. He also mentions, of course, that DVD piracy and movie "sharing" groups will only speed up the cycle, and that they'll be putting Hollywood out of business, possibly within the next three years."

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  1. Re:Propoganda by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, I think that it is comparable to the military spending $3000 bucks on a toliet seat.

    But I get a lot more enjoyment out of my toliet seat than I do out of most hollywood movies.

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  2. Too Bad... by zensmile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I could really care less about the box office. Everytime I go to the movies...

    1. The food portions are smaller than a few years ago.
    2. The price is WAY WAY higher!
    3. People's cell phones are going off.
    4. Some a**hole is giving comentary to the person sitting next to him/her.

    Overall, not a very pleasant experience.

    1. Re:Too Bad... by interiot · · Score: 5, Funny

      5. Some young couple is making out. 6. You can't stop the movie and make out.

    2. Re:Too Bad... by Iguanaphobic · · Score: 5, Funny

      1. The food portions are smaller than a few years ago.
      Go every day. Then you will hardly notice when they get smaller.

      2. The price is WAY WAY higher!
      Than what?? If you're comparing with a few years ago, see point #1.

      3. People's cell phones are going off.
      Build a Faraday cage over the building before you go in.

      4. Some a**hole is giving comentary to the person sitting next to him/her.
      Hmmm.. this is a tough one. I'm torn between a paintball gun and something like this.

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    3. Re:Too Bad... by darnellmc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's interesting because I'm Black and have noticed white kids do it too. All depends where you go. Anytime you feel you need to point out race for something so general, just leave race out and realize you have not seen the entire world and other races do the same thing.

    4. Re:Too Bad... by Steveftoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      or the person with the screaming baby in the theater.

      Babies do not belong in movie theaters! You have to be able to sit down and shut up for at least 2 hours.

      Which some 20+ year olds have problems with I know, but at least you can prosecute them. There isn't a jury alive that will convict a baby.

    5. Re:Too Bad... by Loligo · · Score: 5, Funny

      >There isn't a jury alive that will convict a
      >baby.

      Eh, maybe Texas.

      -l

    6. Re:Too Bad... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For the most part, I agree with you. The theater experience is getting hard to justify, cost wise. But there are a few points I want to make.

      1) Many of us can't afford a huge home theater. I watch movies on a 27" TV with two external speakers. It's good enough for most movies, but huge movies like Braveheart or Lord of the Rings really deserve the big screen.

      2) Don't blame the theaters for ticket prices. They break even on admission. They make virtually all of their profits on food. The movie studios are screwing the theaters over on what it costs to show a movie. The best example is the recent Godzilla. The studio (Sony IIRC) doubled their regular cost to the theaters and promised a gate similar to Independance Day (same creative team). When the theater execs finally saw the movie a week or so before it came out, there was a white collar riot where execs actually threw things and demanded their money back.

      Several big theater chains (Lowes comes to mind) have failed recently, even with $8 tickets. Maybe if the studios would make more movies worth 8 bucks, they would get more butts in the seats.

      -B

    7. Re:Too Bad... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Couldn't something like IMAX restore the cinema's advantage over television? Even the real early adopters don't have an IMAX screen in their living room. A pity that more films aren't made in a suitable large-screen format.

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    8. Re:Too Bad... by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      2. The price is WAY WAY higher!
      Than what?? If you're comparing with a few years ago, see point #1.


      It's more expensive for two tickets to see a movie then it is to buy a new release DVD at the Suncoast that is 100ft from the door of the theater.

      It's $8.50 per ticket to see the movie in the theater, and all DVDs are 25% off duing the week after release at Suncoast. The decision becomes pay $17 for two tickets to see some commercials followed by a movie where I my or may not have the experience ruined by some obnoxious audience members, and the sticky floor will need to be washed off my shoes later, or I can spend $16 and watch the movie at home with no obnoxious people, and I can keem the movie to watch again whenever I'd like. Screw the theater.

  3. Some movies are doomed by DrXym · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good movies won't be doomed, something McCallum & Lucas might like to try making some time.

  4. How is this any different than VCRs? by funbobby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They said the same thing when VCRs came out, and that certainly wasn't the end of the movie industry.

  5. Interesting Quote in the end.. by cOdEgUru · · Score: 5, Funny

    George and I are just praying that we can finish 'Episode III' in time, before it's all over."

    Its already over lad! George shot his own golden goose with Episode I. "Before its all over" reads to us fans like "before you suckers realize what tripe we are churning out each episode".

    Starwars is dead. Long live Starwars.

  6. More complaints by grid+geek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    DVD piracy and movie "sharing" groups will only speed up the cycle, and that they'll be putting Hollywood out of business, possibly within the next three years."

    Don't they always say this? Wasn't it said about videos, CD Video, cable? Who produces the DVD's? OK, so if people stop going to theatres then thats a revenue stream down but more income from DVD rentals, sales, airlines, pay per view, airlines ....

    I really wish they'd just see that technology opens up new revenue streams faster than it closes them down.

  7. Naturally... by DickPhallus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It doesn't matter to me. If I go to see the movie at the cinema on cheap night, it's 5-7 bucks. If I wait 5 months to rent it and watch it on my 20 year old TV and VCR, it's still 5-6 bucks... so why would I wait? I wouldn't.

    Sure, the chump with $20,000 home theatre could wait, but obviously, money isn't a big factor in his decision.

    Personally, I enjoy a night at the movies, but I also enjoy snuggling up at home to a movie with the girlfriend... I think both will be around for a while, personally.

    I'm sure someone said similar things when VHS was introduced.

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  8. movie theaters suck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    because people have completely forgotten how to behave in a theater. I can't count the number of times I've had a movie ruined by inconsiderate dolts talking, or ANSWERING THEIR CELLPHONES and having an entire conversaion during the movie. Except for major blockbusters, I wait until I can rent it on DVD.

    1. Re:movie theaters suck... by lacrymology.com · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know, I've never been in a theater where someone was talking on their cellphone. I'm starting to wonder if this situation is just an urban myth... by the way, I'm posting this from a tub full of ice.

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    2. Re:movie theaters suck... by susano_otter · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'm posting this from a tub full of ice.

      It's good to hear that losing a kidney doesn't mean I can't participate in Slashdot discussions.

      But the cell phone thing is not a myth. It happens to me all the time. You are a very lucky person (except for the whole kidney thing, of course).

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    3. Re:movie theaters suck... by Saige · · Score: 5, Funny

      I saw the first LOTR twice in the theatres. The first time, it was a great crowd, quiet, no distractions, so much fun.

      The second time, three different cell phones rang during the movie, and two of the people even had converstations! If the one guy who was in the row in front of me was only a couple seats closer to me, I would have reached down and turned off his phone for him. Perhaps even with the power button instead of throwing it against the wall.

      It's not an urban legend - they're not common, but it happens.

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    4. Re:movie theaters suck... by kiwimate · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have to be honest and admit I never have, either. But I've been in plenty where someone's cellphone has rung and they've walked out of the theater with it ringing all the time. Hey guys, here's a hint -- if you're that vital that you have to keep it on, you surely have enough clout to demand one that can be set to vibrate!

      My main beef is being in a movie theater where a group of kids are there -- not the eight year olds, more often the 15-18 year old -- and chattering away. I wonder why the heck they bothered to pay to come to the movie in the first place if they're not going to pay attention?

      I once was in a theater where a whole row of school kids was sitting and goofing around, with the guys trying to impress the girls, and generally being a nuisance. Apparently someone finally got sufficiently irritated to complain, because the theater manager came in, stood at the end of the row, and told them all to get out. A couple of them started whining that they'd paid good money and he couldn't throw them out, and his only reaction was that it was his theater and he could do as he pleased, and if they wanted to bitch to him about it then they could do it outside, but they weren't staying in his theater one more minute.

      He got a round of applause from the rest of the audience as the whole row of kids got up and filed out.

    5. Re:movie theaters suck... by statusbar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A few sound designers for live theatre that I know would play back a sample of a cell phone ringing over the P.A. System, 15 minutes before curtain. It helps trigger people to remember to shut off their OWN cell phone. And it works, too.

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  9. Yaaahh! by GooberToo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Then, once they go out of business, perhaps people that are interested in making good movies rather than huge incomes will start making movies.

    And oh, here's a thought...who forces them to release a DVD in 6mo's??? Seems like they could delay the release of alternate distributions indefinately. Don't think so? Go ask Disney. They did it for a VERY long time.

    If it's such a risk...release alternate media 1 or 2 years after the movie comes out.

    Wow. That was hard to think of wasn't it. Perhaps if he stopped thinking about his next big rip-off-money-making-flick, such an obvious concept would be obvious to him too.

    What was his point again...

  10. Movie industry dead within 3 years? Good riddance! by Rhys · · Score: 5, Funny

    And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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  11. Funny? He's serious (I think)! by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure why someone modded this as Funny because I think zensmile makes good points. It costs a lot to go to the movies and the experience is inferior to what I can have in my home. Here's a few more additions to the list:

    5. Sticky floors
    6. Six or seven trailers before the show starts
    7. No control over sound, picture quality, environmental conditions
    8. Just too many people in general

    If the film industry starts hurting for business, they can start to work on making the theater a more enjoyable experience. Until then, I'm just going to wait a few months and get a better experience at a better price in my own place.

    GMD

  12. just another generational shift. by gonar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The movie industry did basically the same thing to live theater. it still lives as a niche product for those who want it, but it is not nearly as pervasive as it was.

    just because you have managed to earn a living doing something in the past, that is no guarantee of being able to do so in the future.

    technology changes the rules, and some industries suffer, but other industries prosper.

    the movie industry needs to realize that they are not "entitled" to make money from traditional movies, they must provide us a reason to do pay them for the experience.

    if they made movies that were worth the extra $5 to see on a big screen vs. my tv, then maybe I they wouldn't have this problem.

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  13. It'll Be As Dead As... by istartedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It'll be as dead as...

    ...movie theatres after TV.

    ...Live music after radio.

    ...theatre after movies.

    ...radio after TV.

    There's something that going to the movies can provide that DVDs can't. The movies provide the whole "going out" experience, and the crowd. How many times have you gone to a movie and remarked "when that happened, the whole crowd laughed, yelled, groaned, etc."

    Staying at home with a DVD and the microwave is lame. Dinner and a movie is cool.

    Better yet, we may see more innovation in theatres like the Cinema and Drafthouse. If you've never been to one of those, you don't know what you're missing.

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  14. In other news... The sky is falling by Slashdolt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll chalk this up to "We only have 10 years left on this planet!" stated by actor Ted Danson about 10 years ago (also from Hollywood).

    Look at how piracy has destroyed the software industry! Oh, it hasn't? But people have been pirating software for 10 years, how can software vendors still be making money?!!! Funny, isn't it?

    My hope for the future is that we get rid of alot of the "Fame and Fortune" aspect of acting. In the future (thanks to the Internet), I believe that anyone will be able to broadcast anything they want, and may become famous, but not necessarily rich.

    Hollywood makes lots of great movies, and a lot of bad ones. But they've only been around for less than 100 years. They may simply be a short-lived 20th century phenomena, with other forms of entertainment eventually taking over. Don't boohoo about it. If they disappear, it will be because nobody wants their stuff, not because everyone wants DVD's...

    For the record, I've never put off "going to the movies" with my wife, simply so that I could watch it on DVD/VHS/PPV three months later...

  15. Absolute unadulterated hogwash by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Here's what will really happen.

    Ticket sales will improve as the economy improves. Theaters will install new technology to make the movie-going experience better. Ticket prices will increase leading to bigger and bigger box-office takes. DVD sales will remain strong. Hollywood will continue to thrive. Piracy will be a secondary factor (as it is now) until fat bandwidth is ubiquitous; after that, it will be controlled by social factors. MPAA will continue to believe that they represent the forces of free speech; people like me will continue to laugh in their faces.

    Hollywood will face a major defeat, however, it won't be economic. It will be legal. Copyright extentions will be cut down by the Supreme Court and DMCA will either be stricken down or repealed. Hollywood will then have to resort to marketing (gasp!) to prevent mass piracy.

  16. Try getting that big screen at home by mblase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the "theater experience" that attracts me. It's not the first-viewer opportunity. It's certainly not the overpriced popcorn and soda or the need to drive fifteen minutes across town with my entire family in tow. And it's not, nor will it ever be, the ability to recreate sounds in 6.1 speakers around the entire three-dimensional room.

    No, it's the big screen I like. Mitsubishi electronics' best efforts notwithstanding, home theater will never be as impressive as a screen the size of an auditorium wall with all the characters projected in incredible detail. The movies I really love I go to see three, four times on those big screens, just because I prefer to watch a movie "up there" than "down here".

    When I can afford to outfit an entire room of my house for darkened projected DVD movie experiences, I may reconsider. For now it's easier just to spend $3 apiece at the cheapie theater.

  17. Bah humbug by Fnkmaster · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You mean we might have to ADAPT our business model and learn to live in the digital era like everyone else? *whine whine whine* Please. They are selling lots of DVDs. Nobody is forcing them to price DVDs at 19.99 on Amazon.com. The fact that they are selling them at that price point leads me to believe that they are practicing standard revenue maximization behavior, looking for the magic marginal revenue = marginal cost point. Illegal copying ("piracy") of movies is still largely limited to college students and others who have limitless bandwidth, lots of time, and can't afford the 20 bucks for a movie they know is worth watching again and again.


    Furthermore, people will STILL go to the movies as a social event, it's something to do with friends, it's an experience, and most people just don't have home theater equipment that comes close to that yet, until we all get InFocus-style LCD projectors for our living rooms. Oh yeah, and if you want us to come to the theater, consider that just maybe 10 bucks+ a person, not including snacks and soda is a little outrageous - when I was a kid, I remember it was 4-5 dollars, and I'm only 23. Price has gone up substantially faster than inflation, and the quality of most major studio releases has gone down. Hmmm....

  18. Re:Funny? He's serious (I think)! by glesga_kiss · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Six or seven trailers before the show starts

    Not to mention product comercials before a movie you have paid for...

  19. Heh heh by wunderhorn1 · · Score: 5, Funny
    I actually saw this article a little while ago. Thought about submitting it, then thought, "Nah, it's light on content and overly sensationalistic."

    I should have known better ;-)

    Anyway, my favorite quote was at the end:

    "The business will implode once you can download a movie, give it to your friends and not have a moral problem with doing it. Then we're screwed. Literally, our very lives are at stake now. George and I are just praying that we can finish 'Episode III' in time, before it's all over."

    Personally, I'd like to see Lucas standing out on Hollywood Blvd holding a placard that says "The end is near! Repent from your evil filesharing ways!"

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  20. But they keep breaking records! by Kombat · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It seems every year, the studios claim to rake in more and more revenue from ticket sales, what gives? Oh that's right... price of the tickets have gone up ridiculously quickly. Has it occurred to them that perhaps its the price of the tickets that's keeping people away? Allow me to illustrate.

    6 or 7 years ago, I'd take my girlfriend to the local 3-screen theatre and we'd watch a first-run movie for about $5 a head, plus a shared $8 combo. Total cost, after taxes, $18. Now, the ticket price at my local 12-screen megaplex is $13 per ticket, and the cheapest popcorn+soda combo runs $9 plus tax. Total cost, after taxes, $38.

    Now, at $18 for a night out, it was worth it. But once the cost of the experience exceeds the price of owning the movie on DVD, I get a little hesitant about running out to the theatre every weekend. So now, unless it's a movie that will truly benefit from the big-screen experience (i.e., Clones), I simply wait and buy the DVD. That's right, I buy the DVD, even if I'm not sure I'll like the movie. Know why? Because it's still cheaper than seeing it in the theatre, and plus, I get to keep the movie. So even if the movie sucked, hey, at least I still have something to show for it. If it had sucked on the big screen, all I'd walk out with would be some butter on my fingers.

    What I'd like to see happen is for studios to make less use of expensive, superfluous special effects and quit pandering to the silver-spoon prima donna crybaby megastars like Julia Roberts, and start hiring equally-capable, but far lesser-known (and thus, far cheaper) actors, like Guy Pearce. Of course, now that he's becoming popular, you'd have to opt for someone else, unless he's willing to continue working at his "Memento" salary levels. This way, we'd get more diversity on screen, and the movies would be far cheaper to produce (and dare I dream, far cheaper to watch?).

    Am I the only one who, when I see a Tom Hanks movie (and don't get me wrong, Tom is an amazing actor), I have a lot of trouble accepting him in whatever role he's supposed to be? I keep seeing Forrest Gump. Of course, he was great, but he's still got that recognition, and sometimes, that can hurt a movie. I mean, come on, George Clooney as Batman? Sure, he did a great job, but I kept seeing the doctor from "E.R." I think this was one of the reasons I liked "Memento" so much - I'd never seen Guy Pearce before.

    By the way, there's no way that the industry will die in a mere 3 years. That's insanely fast. They couldn't die that fast if they tried. It would take nothing short of some extreme economics and a perfect sequence of disastrous coincidences and events to eliminate such a massive industry so quickly.

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  21. Re:Propoganda by imr · · Score: 5, Funny

    But I get a lot more enjoyment out of my toliet seat than I do out of most hollywood movies.
    more and more, what you find in one is coming from the other.

  22. It's not Hollywood in trouble by Felonius+Thunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but theaters. The movie studios will keep making movies, and if they can't make as much on dvd sales then they reduce the cost of making movies (lower pay, increase productivity, the usual etc.). The worst that can happen is that theaters go out of business, and I see no reason why that would really cause movie studios to go down. Heck, with the focus off of getting people into theaters, maybe the number and quality of films released each year could rise. Maybe not to the level of the book industry (production costs too different), but along those lines.

  23. BO take is off because the economy! by _bug_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can one compare movie earnings from a few years ago to today? The economy is the exact opposite today as it was a few years ago. Back in the day we all had a little extra cash to spend on the outrageous 10 bucks a pop price to watch a movie in a theater.

    Now that we are in lean times of course I, and many others in a similar situation, are not going to go out to the movies as often as once was.

    We're all feeling the crunch McCallum, you are not immune to it.

    Insert your own cheap shot about the drop being off due to rather poor story telling and execution for the last two Star Wars movies.

    So don't blame the internet and kids with fat pipes. Try looking closer to home for the real reason things are so green right now.

  24. Re:Funny? He's serious (I think)! by Ooblek · · Score: 5, Interesting
    6. Six or seven trailers before the show starts

    I don't know about you, but the last few DVDs I bought have this 5 minute mandatory intro on them that plays before it gets to the main menu. The skip buttons are disabled during this thing, so you have to basically stop the DVD and then press play to get past the damn thing. I'm sure that this will be where trailers and teasers will be placed next.

    And to add to whatever list is building, I'm kind of getting tired of the damn teenage kids running into the theater and screaming to their friends from the wings and then running out. WTF is with this? I never did this when I hung out at the theater as a kid, and I don't remember any other fellow-annoying teenagers doing this either.

    Another point to add to the negative theater experience is that it is impossible for parents with babies to go to the movies. While there are ways of going without the baby, sometimes those options just aren't available. We decided for the price of a movie, we could go out and buy two thick steaks and a new DVD and just barbecue at home. Nice dinner, a movie, and we don't need a sitter and we can watch the movie again if we like.

  25. Re:puh-lease by Kredal · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see the commercials now..

    [Kid seated in front of a computer]: I just downloaded some movies.

    [Shot of money being locked in a briefcase]

    [Soccer mom at Wal-Mart]: I always buy DVDs for my kids, it's cheaper than the theatre

    [Shot of a gun being cocked]

    [Teenager at his computer]: I wasn't hurting anybody.

    [George Lucas with a gun to his head]

    [Voiceover]: If you pirate movies, or even buy DVDs instead of going to the theatre, you're supporting terrorism.

    [Soccer mom again]: I wasn't hurting anyone...

    [Fade to black]

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  26. This man needs help by sssmashy · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Literally, our very lives are at stake now. George and I are just praying that we can finish 'Episode III' in time, before it's all over."

    Is it just me, or does Mr. McCallum sound a little paranoid/delusional? If Episode III brings in less than half a billion in box office and 3 hundred million in merchandising tie-ins, I'd be surprised. Yet Rick and George "literally" have their "very lives" at stake. I guess they're just a few pirated DVDs away from living in a cardboard box.

  27. -1 Redundant by GrouchoMarx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When TV came out (circa 1950s), people from the movie studios claimed it would be the death of the big screen cinema. They adapted and survived and made more money than before.

    When VCRs came out (circa 1980), people from the movie studios claimed it would be the death of the big screen cinema. They adapted and survived and made more money than before.

    When so-called piracy came out (circa 1980s), people from the movie studios claimed it would be the death of the big screen cinema. They adapted and survived and made more money than before.

    Now that DVDs and overly expensive home theaters are out, someone from the movie studios is claiming it will be the death of the big screen cinema.

    These people really have no clue what they're talking about, do they?

    Come on, people. Yeah, cinemas are grossly overpriced, but people keep going to them in droves. There's a very heavy social aspect there that no one seems to realize. Your family isn't "going out together" if you rent a movie (or stream it from a server) onto your own 30" screen. It's not really a date with your girlfriend if you're not paying for her rip-off slime popcorn at a theater.

    Yeah, I'm sure this guy is speaking for himself, not for the company. That doesn't make him any less of a short-sighted dork for saying it.

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  28. Home Theatre is better... by tsmit · · Score: 5, Funny

    The only thing i need is a baby crying, a woman talking on her cell phone, and teenage kids kicking the back of my couch to make it a true movie-going experience.

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  29. The Theatre Experience is Crumbling by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm with most others; I don't really this idea that DVDs are killing the theatre experience. However I very much concede McCallum's points about movie 'purists' preferring the home theatre experience.

    About 3 years ago in Canada we had a projectionists' union strike. It didn't end well. The frequency of fuckups in my moviegoing experience has at least tripled. They are constantly threading the film up - especially first releases - with the wrong lens (i.e. anamorphic vs. standard). Film breaks are more common, and apparently unrepairable now.

    They run innumerable ads before movies now. When I hear the voice say 'and now a word from our sponsor...' I feel like standing up and spouting off for 10 minutes because I am their goddam sponsor.

    The popcorn prices are laughable. The soda/pop prices are fucking astronomical.

    Mobile phones. Laser pointers. Hell, GameBoys.

    The waits have gotten longer.

    First-run movies often get cycled 24-7 so the prints fall apart faster. Which means you need to see it earlier (see previous point).

    I liked the theatre experience before; there's a certain crowd-vibe that is really enjoyable, sometimes even saving you from a bad film (the complete derision shown in the last Godzilla remake was spectacular. I've never seen a whole movie openly, loudly mocked by the entire audience before. And it was fun.)

    These days though... being able to control the lighting and sound perfectly, being able to pause to go to the can, eating my own sensibly-priced junk food... like most, I make a judgement call when a movie comes out. If I'm dying to see it, I'll go. Those movies are rare these days.

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  30. Re:Funny? He's serious (I think)! by JudasBlue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, a couple of theaters in the east bay area where I live are addressing just these issues and doing a gangbusters job of it. The Parkway theater is a small brewpub/theater environment that carefully crafts their movie schedule to theme nights and provides special nights for things like people with small children and they do boffo business at $5.00 a ticket.

    The Paramount Theater, in Oakland, CA provides a great old-time experience, including prize giva-aways, live organ music and a ton of other fun extras, again for a low ticket price, and they are packed for every show I have atteneded there.

    Theaters that keep cramming in more seats and charging higher ticket prices for the same sub-standard experience SHOULD start to die, but specialty houses that cater to their clientelle will be able to keep picking up the slack and hopefully spread out from their hardcore urban niche to the rest of the country. Which for me would be a good thing.

    And the death of the blockbuster would just be icing on the cake for me.

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  31. Huh? by beleg777 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So the movie industry isn't making money off of all those DVD sales? If they aren't, they are doing something really wrong. If they are, well, it shouldn't be the end of the movie industry then. Perhaps just a rearanging of priorities.

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  32. They are also ridiculously expensive by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It costs about $8-9 USD for a ticket for one person. If a couple is going, that's $16-18 just to get in the door, and there are a rather large number of DVDs that sell for that price (including new releases.)

    Anyone with kids is hopelessly punished by the ticket prices, not to mention the confectionary stand. (Suuuure you can convince the kids to skip that $2 medium drink and those $3.50 candies!)

    And for what? To have your feet stick to the floor? To listen to the idiot with the cell phone, or the couple/group that spend more time talking than watching? Perhaps for the joy of screaming "Focus! Focus!" when the monkey upstairs in the projection booth lets everything go fuzzy?

    As to "going bankrupt", maybe Hollywood's big money directors and stars will be forced to do what many of us in the tech industry did last year -- take a pay cut in order to keep working. I realize 10-15% cuts for them amount to a few million dollars a year in some cases, but they can afford it far better than "normal" people can.

    And if I hear another MPAA or RIAA exec trying to justify the prices as being necessary to cover the costs of producing the "failures", I think I'm going to puke. No other industry I know of tries to justify their costs by pointing to perpetual mis-management, poor marketing, and poor salary negotiation skills. It's called "ROI" people, and if you can't grasp that basic concept and deal with it you should be out of business!

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  33. movies are to be fun, not complicated by fermion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The issue of needsing more movie theaters patrons and other revenue to pay for the more expensive movies is directly related to people staying home.

    For instance, I used to go to movies a lot. I used to have a main stream movie theaters close to me. That theater is now closed and I have to go much farther to another theater where i have to pay for parking, where they have several concesion stands but even on busy weekends they only have one open, usually with only two staff, to serve the entire 30 screens, and where they clean up the during the credits. And don't get me started on the five minutes of unrelated product commericals. I never had these problems at my old theater.

    Going to a movie is no longer a pleasent experience, and it has nothing to do with cell phones, or people talking, or babies. It has to do with the number of screens and the number of seats that is necceary to show a main stream movie. Movie going should not be something that has to be scheduled, planned, and carried out in a careful operation. It is supposed to be fun.

    So, I mostly go to the occasional art flick where I can drop in, buy a ticket, and enjoy the show without having the experience ruined by excessive lines, cleaning staff, or overt commercials.

    And, in time, I may get a home theater, and more DVDs. Of course, if the DVDs continue to become increasing draconian, I may just abandon the whole movie going expereince

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  34. Price gouging at the consession stands by Arcturax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I don't understand is why no one has ever filed a suit against theaters, especially the big ones like AMC and Showcase for price gouging at the consession stands.

    Since they say you can't bring in your own stuff, forcing someone who say, is hypoglycemic or has a bunch of kids who will make noise unless they have something to shove into their mouths to pay those prices to keep their blood surgar up is tantamount to extortion.

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    1. Re:Price gouging at the consession stands by jerrytcow · · Score: 5, Funny
      Since they say you can't bring in your own stuff...

      Sure, they say this, but are you telling me anyone is really checked before they come in to see if they have food with them. Some of the bigger items aren't practical, but candy will fit pockets just fine. If you live in colder climates, then just about anything is game thanks to winter clothing. You can fit a one liter or several 20 oz. bottles of soda in a coat sleeve and throw it over your shoulder. Those huge bags of popcorn that are sold in grocery stores will also fit in a coat sleeve - sure I got strange looks when the coat thrown over my shoulder had one sleeve sticking out at a 90 degree angle, but they people who work there really don't care.

  35. Re:Funny? He's serious (I think)! by Psmylie · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are theaters in my area that feature "crying rooms", where parents with crying babies can sit and still watch the movie.
    It's a nice feature. Too bad nobody uses it.

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  36. You think movies are expensive HERE? by Alkaiser · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Japan, the cost for me to go to see a movie is 1800 yen. About $16.50...to see a movie...at matinee hours.

    The theater experience is not, but it ain't that nice. Gimme DVD any day.

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  37. Pop Quiz: by Triv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the difference, experience-wise, between watching a movie in a theatre and renting/buying one?

    Going to a theatre is immersive. There are (ideally - screaming children and cells aside) no distractions at a movie. You're completely involved with what's going on on-screen. Same thing happens in a play - they darken the theatre for a reason, and it's not to see the actors better.

    Watching a movie in your typical living-room is completely different. You know you're watching a movie, you don't become as involved in it.

    I think $10 for a movie is ludicrous (I grew up with a $4 second-run moviehouse on the corner of my street). I can't really afford it, but I go anyway. Why? Because it's a change of scenery, it's a night out, it's not sitting in my living-room. And because, for any given movie, I have a better shot of enjoying it in the theatre's immersive environment.

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  38. Why are they screaming for us to save them? by trcooper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Claiming that it's the consumer's fault they're in trouble is bullshit. The can easily save their own asses.

    1. Stop charging more than the DVD costs for two people to see the movie in the theatre. And I don't mean raise DVD prices either. There is no reason it should cost more than 10$ for two people to see a movie, or more than 8 for that matter.

    2. Stop paying Julia Roberts and Arnold Schwartzniger 40 million to be in a movie. Easy.

    3. Make movies worth seeing and not these overhyped pieces of garbage like the last two star wars have been. In most cases a movie CAN wait, I've got better things to do.

    For now I'm more than happy to watch DVD's on my 53" widescreen in the privacy of my own house. I don't have to worry about people moving past me because they bought the 72oz soda, or a bawling child. If Hollywood doesn't like that, fix their problems, don't make it out like this is my fault.

  39. Re:Funny? He's serious (I think)! by scotch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I frequently boo loudly when those commercials come one. No one seems to mind, in fact, people tend to join in the booing. Try it, it's fun.

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  40. You should never use a paintball gun... by raehl · · Score: 5, Funny

    To shoot anyone not playing in a paintball game.

    That's what real guns are for.

  41. How is Lucasfilm hurting? by cheinonen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Lucas financed Star Wars Episodes 1 and 2 himself. They cost him around $100 million each, or less, to produce. He got a sweetheart distribution deal from 20th Century Fox that let him keep the vast majority of the $600 million or more they each made worldwide. Let's be really conservative and say movie theaters keep half that (it's more around 25% overall), and Fox gets $15 million. Lucasfilm is still getting around $200 million per movie, not counting merchandise, soundtracks, DVD's, etc... If they can't find a way to profit from that, I have no sympathy for them.


    His citing Titanic isn't a good example either. Titanic was a total aberation for movies. It made as much the next 12 weekends as it did it's first weekend (within 10-20%) instead of having the usual 30-50% drop off that most major movies do now. People just kept going back again and again, and you can't expect any movie to come close to what Titanic did. I just think they're blowing everything way out of proportion. Yes, I'm sure downloading movies hurts them some, but not that much (I know I'm not going to take the time).

  42. History repeats itself by Robotech_Master · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The funny thing is, people have bemoaned the impending death of the box office since time immemorial. The first thing that was going to kill movies was television. And true, it did (along with the busting-up of the vertical monopolies held by movie studios) fundamentally change the movie-going experience, turning what had been a whole evening's worth of entertainment (newsreel, shorts, B movie, feature) into a single movie presentation. On the other hand, it also improved movie presentations dramatically, as the studios went to panoramic widescreen and more use of color to draw audiences back out of the home.

    And then there was Valenti's prediction that VHS would kill movies. As you can see, it hasn't.

    I don't think that DVDs necessarily mean the end of movies, either. Though if it means studios start to concentrate on quality, putting an end to the sort of crap movies that seem to dominate the box office these days, that could be a blessing. (No more Adam Sandler, please! No more Tom Green!) There are some films that you just have to see on the big screen, and I've been known to drive all the way from Springfield, Missouri to Kansas City to see films that may not make it down here. (I'm considering such an expedition to see Spirited Away, for instance, even though I've already seen it on a DIVX ripped from the Japanese DVD.) But I could be an exception to the general rule...

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  43. Maybe we should... by NeuroManson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take all the megamovieplexgargantua theaters, and instead of each minitheater being open to all, have them designated as:

    Theater 1, The Playpen: Squalling babies allowed, offering counselling at a premium for idiots who take their 2 year olds in to see the latest rated R slasher flicks.

    Theater 2, The Lame Room: For people who really don't care about watching the movie, and instead want to talk, make out, use their cel phones.

    Theater 3, The Idiot Room: for people who want to do their own MST3K performance.

    Theater 4, Paradise: For people who actually want to *gasp* watch the movie.

    That way, they'll actually make MORE money, rather than driving away the folks who would normally want Theater 4!

    Meanwhile, has anyone else noticed the irony that this is the same Lucasfilm that not only took upwards of 5 years originally to release their movies to tape/DVD, but supported the old "pay to watch" DIVX standard, refusing to release the original trilogy to DVD until it died?

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  44. Amazing! by Ogerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that they'll be putting Hollywood out of business, possibly within the next three years.

    This is the first good news I've heard on Slashdot this week!

    Although I think he's being a little bit optimistic on how soon this will happen. Have a look on IMDB at how much money even the worst recent movies have made vs. their production cost.. That's a disgusting profit margin for any industry.

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  45. Re: concession stands keep the theater alive by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, I just read a very interesting message posted by a guy who did accounting for movie theaters.

    He claims he has never once seen a theater that would have been profitable if it wasn't for selling concessions!

    Apparently, Hollywood screws over the theaters pretty bad on their cost to show new films. (Typically, they do a 90/10 deal. Hollywood gets 90% of whatever a new movie earns in ticket sales, and the theater keeps the other 10%. After the film runs for so many weeks, the amount drops on a sliding scale. So after a few weeks, it might be 70/30 instead of 90/10 - but lots of people already saw the movie by then.)

    Furthermore, Hollywood often forces the theaters to enter a contract guaranteeing they'll show the movie for no fewer than a set number of weeks. (That partially explains why so many of the mom and pop theaters, and maybe even some of the drive-thrus, have closed down. To offer a decent selection of movies all showing at once, you have to have a large number of screens.)

    For old movies, they sometimes offer a deal where a theater can simply buy it, instead of renting it - and then can make 100% of the profit showing it whenever they like. This is rarely done, however. (Hollywood makes exceptions to this rule for perennial favorites like "The Rocky Horror Picture Show", where a theater would obviously rather just buy it outright if they could.)

    So what you really have is a business model of selling people food and drinks, not making money showing movies. That's why the stuff seems like such a rip-off.

  46. Easy fix. by MikeFM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Make a white-disc copy of the DVD available cheap for anyone with a ticket stub from the movie. As soon as the movie is on the big screen the customer can buy it on DVD this way. That'd boost attendence and help stop piracy.

    SW: Clones just sucked. That's why I didn't see it again and again like I had previous Star Wars movies.

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