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Sarkastro writes "Wired has this story on the pending death of the .su domain. Since the Soviet Union broke up a decade ago, all of the former members now have their own ccTLDs. Now, some people are ready to see .su be put to rest, including ICANN who is quite firm in their stance. Others within the former Soviet Union would like to see it stick around as a geopgraphical area domain. Currently, .su domains cost $15,000 (.ru cost less than $30), so there are only about 28,000 registered. It's especially interesting to watch how the Internet reacts to geographical boundaries that no longer exist. It's easy to add a ccTLD, but much much harder to remove one."

197 comments

  1. First Hexidecimal post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    1. Re:First Hexidecimal post by cyberkreiger · · Score: -1, Troll
      Pipe through
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      to decode...
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  2. Keeping .su as an area? by dadragon · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Weird. You'd then expect something along the lines of .eu, .na, .as, etc.. assuming that none of those exist at the moment. Too lazy to look them up.

    What do you people think of geographical TLDs as opposed to national ones?

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    1. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Your posting is even more weird.
      EU is European Union which is not a geographical but a political thing. .eu is not yet available but it sure will be.

    2. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The whole system of TLDs is meaningless when an organization can get .com, a company can register .org and .net no longer has any connection with ISPs. Once you add country-specific domains it gets even more futile (aol.co.uk or uk.aol.com or aol-uk.net, or aoluk.cx, or...).

      So why not. Why not add geographical area domains as another supposed convention which nobody takes any notice of. It'll bring in more revenue for the registrars, and perhaps help relieve the artificial scarcity of the existing TLDs. In fact, any two-letter combination should be a legal TLD.

      (FWIW there is the .int domain for organizations like the UN, EU, etc. But AFAIK this is not open to the public.)

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    3. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by beebware · · Score: 5, Informative

      The .eu domain name is currently in the process of being created by the European Union: see The Registers story and the EU's own poorly formatted paper about the issue.

    4. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by bcc123 · · Score: 0
      In fact, any two-letter combination should be a legal TLD.

      Last time I checked, com, org, biz, info ... had more than two letters in them. So following that logic, there should not be a limit to the number of letters either. And then let's let any shmuck with enough money buy his own tld. And then, let's create another root. That'll be fun.

    5. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by spyder913 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, I just want our true TLD's to get brought out.. you know, .earth .moon .mars =)

    6. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by netsharc · · Score: 1

      Eh?

      EU is European Union which is not a geographical but a political thing.

      So what's geographically specific about the area covered by the countries of the former Soviet Union?

      Some EU-related sites use .int, for example the European Central Bank and the EU Council

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    7. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by jez9999 · · Score: 0

      LOL!

      Ever considered that .eu could also stand for 'Europe'?

    8. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Damn right, every sequence of one or more characters should be a TLD. Why not?

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    9. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by blibbleblobble · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://europa.eu.int/ , .int being ."international"

      The .eu domain is going through european parliament at the moment, most people think it's a great idea, and they're taking the time to do it properly, apparently with ICANN cooperating!

      No mention yet of splitting this domain: looks like it will remain .eu, rather than separating .gov.eu, .com.eu, .org.eu, etc.

      Prices expected to be on the high side (£60+ per year?), indicating that it's aimed at large organisations. Presumably european politics will stay inside europa.eu, once it loses its .int suffix.

    10. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh great. Prepare for GOATSE.EU

    11. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by sydb · · Score: 3, Funny

      the EU's own poorly formatted paper

      Yeahthatshorriblewhatmakesthemthinktheycancontro lt ldswhentheycantevenputparagraphmarksintheirdocumen ts...

      someoneshouldsendthemalamenessfilteremail

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    12. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by welshsocialist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a bad idea to keep .su as a name of a geographic region. The Soviet Union is not a geographic region; it never was one. As I look at the map above my head, I see the 15 nations that were created from the USSR. The former SSRs have ccTLDs now. Let's place the .su TLD in a museum with all the other dated relics.

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    13. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actusally .eu is in the making, but unlike northern america, the EU is a political body. Compare it, roughly, to the .us tld if you will. (Yes I now there is a world of difference.)

      I wouldn't call them geographical TLDs anyway. They're political TLDs. .su just does not make any sense anymore; they are the commonwealth of independent states now, and that's really just a paper tiger.

    14. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      Exactly! That's what bugged me about the main post. The USSR was never a purely geographical region, it was a political entity. Why not change the .be domain to reflect the former British empire? Because it's gone and no longer relevant. All of the individual components are well-represented and there is no advantage gained by grouping them.

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    15. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The whole system of TLDs is meaningless when an organization can get .com, a company can register .org and .net no longer has any connection with ISPs.

      No, it just does not fit into the stupid boxes that the mindles beuraucrats try to fit them in.

      The issue that people seem to be missing is backwards compatibility here. Turning off .su breaks stuff. Leaving .su on breaks nothing. So .su should not be turned off unless there is a really really good reason.

      The fact that .su is no longer arround does not count. The country code is still assigned by ISO. The relevant RFC states that the assignment of the iso code is all that is relevant. Postel did that on purpose so that IANA did not need to get into stupid disputes on what was and what was not a state.

      If ICANN goes this road there is a major risk of fracturing the root. Nobody much gives a hang about .su but if this move succeeds it will be used as a precedent to remove .pl which given that ICANN is far from isolated from the pro-Likud US Congress means that pragmatism is unlikely to prevail.

      There are certain to be protests over any US move to throw .pl out of the root. It is exactly the type of thing that the EU are concerned about - the US using the root as an extension of its recent bugger-everyone-else foreign policy. After .pl expect .cu to be next on the list as a sop to the Miami keep-Elian-from-his dad vote.

      In summary, ICANN if they had a political clue will not open up this can of worms. They will only create a precedent that can only be damaging in the long run and insert themselves directly into the international equivalent of the US abortion debate.

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    16. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Well, aside from there being a river of political bloodshed behind the name, it also has distinct colonial overtones for many in the now independent countries. The reason for having a european union domain or other organization is there are shared traits that people want to highlight. Who wants to highlight a history of political oppression and colonialism? Should India and the UK and the rest of the commonwealth states share a geographical .BE (british empire) domain? Would the US be included or not?

    17. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Actually, here's one relevant difference, ownership. In essence most domains are leased, reverting back to the issuing authority after a year or two. .ro is one exception. You register once, you own it forever. They .ro administrators (Romania) essentially have inititated private property in the dns system.

    18. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by raju1kabir · · Score: 1
      If ICANN goes this road there is a major risk of fracturing the root. Nobody much gives a hang about .su but if this move succeeds it will be used as a precedent to remove .pl which given that ICANN is far from isolated from the pro-Likud US Congress means that pragmatism is unlikely to prevail.

      .pl? You mean .ps? What did Poland do to piss off Congress?

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    19. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by raju1kabir · · Score: 1
      Should India and the UK and the rest of the commonwealth states share a geographical .BE (british empire) domain?

      You mean like commonwealth.int?

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    20. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


      While you were modded funny, I think that's going to be a problem at some point of time in the future. I guess that could be solved the same way they did with the Net of today when it expanded outside the USA; while "American" entities have TLDs like .gov and .edu, the other countries are supposed to use their country TLDs, like .uk, .de etc. Easy solution is to leave the Earth TLDs as they are, but register some new TLDs as you mentioned, .moon, .mars, .europa and what not.

      Umm, but even later we have to add TLDs of .sol, .centauri, .ceti, .barnard... my head explodes.

    21. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Actually, no. Commonwealth.int is an international site (thus the .int) and not a TLD. I'm not against international organizations having sites and if cis.int wants to have a go at it that's fine with me. It's not the same as .su though.

    22. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Xilman · · Score: 1
      Why not change the .be domain to reflect the former British empire?

      Belgium, man, Belgium!

      Apologies for the bad language. I just couldn't help myself.

      Paul

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    23. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by PLBogen · · Score: 0

      Why is that everytime an article of international scope is posted someone turns it into an attack against the US. The issue is not an unliked TLD, it is an oboslete TLD. Suppose that the Palestinians won in Israel (as far-fetched as it is) and Israel ceased to exist. Would you suggest not throwing out the Israeli TLD?

    24. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      .brt for Brittania? .beac (British Empire and Commonwealth)?

      Hell, I don't want to get the Belgians mad at me. They're scary!

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    25. Re:Keeping .su as an area? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Why is that everytime an article of international scope is posted someone turns it into an attack against the US. The issue is not an unliked TLD, it is an oboslete TLD.

      Start making decisions about whether to recognize domains and you will find it very difficult to stop.

      Last I checked the US Congress were not considered in particularly high regard within the US, as a body they are particularly prone to posturing and political pandering. So one can attack the Congress without attacking the US people just as one can consider the fool in the Whitehouse a crook who bilked the investors in Harken without attacking the US.

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  3. $15'000 for a domain? by odt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is that really $ or rubles?

    1. Re:$15'000 for a domain? by beebware · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.fid.su/engl/projects/SU-Registry/pricin g.html lists the current registration price as US$100, but it was US$15000 during October 2001.

  4. What about our business-model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Damn! Now our trusted business-model will not work anymore.

    1: Write free software.
    2: ?
    3: Register .su domain.
    4: Profit!

    1. Re:What about our business-model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

      Breaking news!

      Stallman and the free software foundation has proposed this new business-model to replace the .su business-model:

      1: Write free software.
      2: ?
      3: Eat a banana.
      4: profit!

    2. Re:What about our business-model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      You are all trolls. The free software foundation has officially only one proposed business-model and that is this one.

      1: Write free software.
      2: ?
      3: Sell the service of anal sex.
      4: Profit!

      So, instead of selling the actual software you sell the service of gay sex.

  5. .ux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Im suprised .ux is not a tld www.lin.ux www.tu.x www.s.ux www.hp.ux

    1. Re:.ux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Errrrr.....

      www.tu.x

      Surely that should be www.t.ux - assuming you can have single letter domain names!

    2. Re:.ux by anonymous+coword · · Score: 2, Informative

      assuming you can have single letter domain names X.org i.am

    3. Re:.ux by AndrewRUK · · Score: 1

      But in some TLDs you can't. Like .uk (Nominet's rules,) for example (with the exception of x.co.uk, who got it before that rule came in, and so are allowed to keep it.)

  6. Sad news ... Berlin Wall dead at 55 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - the Berlin Wall was found dead in its Germany home this morning. There weren't any further details. I'm sure it will be greatly missed by the Slashdot community - even if you didn't enjoy its aesthetic value, there's no denying its impact on the .su TLD. Truly a German icon.

    1. Re:Sad news ... Berlin Wall dead at 55 by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      mod parent up!

      Funny and tragically relevant to the story.

  7. FIRST SETH FINKELSTEIN SUPPORTER POST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic



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  8. And this after the Iron Sheik won the Royal Rumble by failrate · · Score: 2, Funny

    What justification do they have for that exorbitant price tag?

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  9. SUCK MY FILTHY TROLL COCK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    It tastes like chicken, only with secret sause!
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  10. kinda ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that the commies are selling domains. heh heh. death to all bourgeois! heh.

  11. Cybersquatting? by TheDanish · · Score: 3, Funny

    In a bid to protect new domains from cybersquatters, the FID set a $15,000 price tag on registering a dot-su domain.

    If you're a cybersquatter such as Microsoft or PETA, price isn't a problem, now is it?

    Now, there's the matter of actually wanting a domain like that. I don't even think either of them are capable of such wasteful spending... then again...

    Okay, I'm going to sleep. Having no sleep is hazardous to your health, and causes you to make posts like this one.

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  12. ASCII HEX IS LAME! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    00000000 53 75 63 6B 20 6D 79 20 66 69 6C 74 68 79 20 74
    00000010 72 6F 6C 6C 20 63 6F 63 6B 20 6C 69 6E 75 78 20
    00000020 7A 65 61 6C 6F 74 73 21 21 0A

  13. not $15,000 by quaeler · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:not $15,000 by zdarnell · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was $15,000 until October 2001. See http://www.fid.su/engl/projects/SU-Registry/pricin g.html for their pricing plan. I think its actually only US$100 now.

    2. Re:not $15,000 by Sarin · · Score: 4, Funny

      ok, yes it's $1,000 according to nic.ru.
      But it's $15,000 according to your creditcard bill; nic.ru 'forgot' to include the cost a new car that's needed to bribe to .su officials.

  14. cheapest domain name? by Niksie3 · · Score: 1

    What is the cheapest domain name to get? has there been a third world country yet who has decided to sell domain names for $5 a year? I think that could create some serious money..

    Nico

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    1. Re:cheapest domain name? by tunah · · Score: 5, Informative

      The island of tokelau gives away .tk domain names (kinda, you use their DNS). It's a small island and has no net access.

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    2. Re:cheapest domain name? by Yarn · · Score: 1

      UK domains are around £5p.a.! but you have to commit for 2 years.

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    3. Re:cheapest domain name? by eggstasy · · Score: 5, Informative

      .tk is free. You can get yours at www.tk (courtesy of the tiny island of Tokelau)

    4. Re:cheapest domain name? by c_g_hills · · Score: 1

      The free service does not give you ownership of the domain. This costs $9.95 per year. You must pay if you want to use your own nameservers.

    5. Re:cheapest domain name? by fastdecade · · Score: 1, Informative

      The island of tokelau [nic.tk] gives away .tk domain names

      So you could say .tk represents a token registration :-)

    6. Re:cheapest domain name? by Thowllly · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, .tk domain names are not free. I registered a .tk domain name some time ago, that pointed to my (never visited by anyone except myself) homepage. The name I selected was totally nonsense, yet a month or two later I received a latter stating that my domain name had been requested by lots of people and I would have to pay too keep the domain name.

      Bait and switch.

    7. Re:cheapest domain name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Argentina .ar domains are free!!

    8. Re:cheapest domain name? by ymgve · · Score: 2

      And you get free popups too. Aren't they just SO nice to us?

    9. Re:cheapest domain name? by ignavus · · Score: 1

      And someone has registered the domain name tcl.tk, though the server doesn't seem to accept a connection.

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  15. COWBOYNEAL HAS SEX WITH TRAFFIC CONES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  16. Sounds like a scam by greenrom · · Score: 3, Insightful
    $15,000 is a big chunk of change just for adding an entry to a database. That makes me wonder who's pockets that $15,000 was lining. It doesn't cost $15,000 per registrant to maintain a few servers. It would be interesting to know if anyone is going to see a partial refund of their money when the domain is taken away.

    I'd be pretty pissed if someone took away my $20 domain. I can't imagine what I'd do if someone took away a domain I just paid 15 grand for just because a few people in ICANN think .su should be obsolete.

    1. Re:Sounds like a scam by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Is there a renewal fee or is it permanent? If permanent, couldn't ICANN be sued for violating property rights?

    2. Re:Sounds like a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's yearly renewable of course! Anyway this domain should die one day or another; if ppl want to pay to be the latest dot-su domain there's no law against it.

  17. how about?.... by freewilli · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ju-jit.su
    diahat.su
    goat.su
    stfu.su
    my-betty.s u
    15000-is-way-too-much-for.su

    ugh.. need sleep

    1. Re:how about?.... by agentZ · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      cccp-sucks.su?

    2. Re:how about?.... by grazzy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      cccp-suck.su

      say that then times fast..

    3. Re:how about?.... by ehiggins · · Score: 2, Funny

      http://pretty.pretty.pretty.pretty.peggy.su ?

    4. Re:how about?.... by syrinx · · Score: 2, Funny

      lla.ruoy.esab.era.gnoleb.ot.su

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    5. Re:how about?.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bleh, everyone I know wanted own.su -- selling the subdomains would make up for the price :)

    6. Re:how about?.... by claud9999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      look-at-me-funny-and-i-will.su

      (we could force all law firms to register in the .su domain, they're all so .su happy! Sorry for the bad puns, had to be said.)

  18. MODERATORS HAS SEX WITH TRAFFIC CONES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  19. It's going to keep happening. by jericho4.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Given that top level domains are so hard to remove, this system seems kind of broken.

    Many countries are going to change their names in the future. The article doesn't really go into it, but I'm sure the name has some political overtones for many people in Russia. Some other names with political ramifications are .tw (taiwan) .cs (Czechoslovakia) .kp and .kr (Koreas) etc.

    Maybe we should move to something more flexible.

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    1. Re:It's going to keep happening. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      why not get ride of country specific domains and just have more divisions at the next level??

    2. Re:It's going to keep happening. by mpe · · Score: 1, Troll

      Many countries are going to change their names in the future. The article doesn't really go into it, but I'm sure the name has some political overtones for many people in Russia. Some other names with political ramifications are .tw (taiwan) .cs (Czechoslovakia) .kp and .kr (Koreas) etc.

      There is also Hong Kong and Yugoslavia which still have top level domains. There is also the issue of what to do about occupied countries, especially where the occupier claims them as part of their own, e.g. Chechnia, Tibet, Hawaii and Palestine.

    3. Re:It's going to keep happening. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Hawaii????? Huh? If that's the case then the whole of the US is being occupied. Hell the whole of the Western Hemisphere is being occupied.

    4. Re:It's going to keep happening. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is.

    5. Re:It's going to keep happening. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Many countries are going to change their names in the future.


      Yea, Iraq is going to have to get into it with Poland pretty soon after the USA renames them Parking Lot. :-) GO USA!

    6. Re:It's going to keep happening. by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      I didn't include Palestine because I was sure it would cause alot of OT postings. As it did.... Oh well...

      But you're right, and I don't see your post as a troll, as you seemed to get my point. My point was that in many places you're going to get people unhappy about the political overtones of a name, even if you don't recognize it as political. Hawaii is a very good example. There IS an independance movement in Hawaii, even if you never hear about it.

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    7. Re:It's going to keep happening. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The US is occupied, by europeans.. Native americans are pretty much sidelined, kept to reservations etc etc..

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    8. Re:It's going to keep happening. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2

      the natives of Hawaii aren't 'native americans', they're 'hawaiians'.

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  20. Saving Soviet domain HOW-TO: ssh icann; su root by Quietti · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought this was obvious? ;-)

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  21. Pangea by notestein · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they succeed in keeping .ru, I'd like to get the .we ccTLD for Pangea (for Whole Earth). It broke up a lot longer ago than the Soviet Union.

    1. Re:Pangea by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Funny

      And I want the Mars domain (.ms) - I have a feeling it'll be very valuable to a certain company...

    2. Re:Pangea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to register the following domain:

      oh.my.god.there.was.this.guy.and.he.came.over.an d. he.went.we

  22. MICHAL IS A FUCKING FAGGOT WHO FUCKS TRAFFIC CONES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  23. Insane Price by bellings · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Currently, .su domains cost $15,000 (.ru cost less than $30), so there are only about 28,000 registered.

    That sentence is simply insane. $15,000 dollars per domain times 28,000 domains is nearly a half billion dollars. I simply can't imagine anyone buying even one of the oh-so-valuable .su domains for $15,000, much less any economy absorbing a half billion dollars worth of them.

    What is the real story on the price? How much have most people really paid for their .su domains, and who got all the cash?

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    1. Re:Insane Price by notestein · · Score: 5, Funny
      The 15k was just for public consumption and to make them look better than the .us domain.

      Like every thing with the former Soviet Union and Socialist economics in general... You just had to bribe the .ru database administrator with a loaf of bread, a roll or toilet paper, or bottle of vodka to get an .ru domain.

    2. Re:Insane Price by nzhavok · · Score: 2

      You mean .su of course ?

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    3. Re:Insane Price by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      People only want the .su domain because it's a natural typosquatter haven for people imitating the .us domain.

    4. Re:Insane Price by moosesocks · · Score: 2
      Currently, .su domains cost $15,000 (.ru cost less than $30), so there are only about 28,000 registered.

      That sentence is simply insane. $15,000 dollars per domain times 28,000 domains is nearly a half billion dollars. I simply can't imagine anyone buying even one of the oh-so-valuable .su domains for $15,000, much less any economy absorbing a half billion dollars worth of them.

      Remember.... this is $15,000 PER YEAR
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    5. Re:Insane Price by Insanity · · Score: 1

      Presumably this is done to discourage the registration of new domains to a country that no longer exists. Perhaps most of the 28000 were registered before the fees were so unrealistically high.

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    6. Re:Insane Price by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      So whoever sells these domains isn`t going to be happy giving them up... would you give up a product line that brings you half a billion dollars of revenue a year?

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  24. EINSTIEN CHIP PIG LOCK JIGSAW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    WHERES THE TRAFFIC CONE?

  25. PLEASE PUT MY NUTS IN YOUR MOUTH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It's been 3 days since I've been back on my feet after my anal correction surgery. The doctors told me they have corrected as much of the damage as they could. I think I will get used to having to wear diapers the rest of my life, things could be worse. At least I am still alive, and I can still breathe the fresh air, smell the blossoming flowers, and hear the chirps of courting birds on a spring day. Although my life is much different now, I have the willpower and confidence to move on.

    My name is Rob Malda. I got anally feltched too hard.

    I remember the night like it was yesterday. Another fun and energetic Saturday at the discotech in the gay corner of town. I was being my normal flamboyant social butterfly self and talking to all the local cuties. There were a lot of muscly guys there and I must tell you the scent of raw, homosexual energy at the discotec always made the hair on my neck (and other places) stand erect. But there was this one guy who really stood out in the crowd. I would later discover his name was Jamal. The first time I saw his glistening ebony skin at the discotec I knew I wanted him inside me. I've always been good at picking up guys so I walked in my sharp female way, swinging my ass at each step, until I was right in front of that sexy piece of chocolate cake. He had short, frizzy hair, teeth whiter than milk, and a friendly smile that was out of this world. Man, I wanted his dick in my ass so bad. But I had to keep my groove. I said to him in my well crafted lisping tone, "Hey sweetie, I've never your sweet ass in these parts before, want to join me for a drink?" He smiled and replied in a deep yet touching voice, "Heh heh, I sure would you little sex muffin"

    This really hit it off from there, We talked and danced and flirted like schoolgirls. I found out he was from a town a few hundred miles away, visiting the big city for a little fun. He had muscles like you wouldn't believe, obviously worked out a lot, I felt like a little strawman compared to him (I'm fashionably slim). I was on top of the world, the envy of every boy at the place, a star. When we were resting from the thumping disco-house music, I asked Jamal if he wanted a bump of crystal meth. He gladly accepted, telling me that in the town where he came from it was hard to find good crystal. I took a bump myself. My nose is no stranger to this wonderful stuff! The energy from the crystal really made us move. His dancing skills were on par with mine (which are excellent, I have danced in a couple of small Broadway-style plays before). I was really getting hot and horny at this point though, I knew we had to find a quiet spot of our own.

    We walked very quickly to the bathroom; I couldn't keep my hands off his lucious abs. We found an empty stall and stormed into it, it was a whirling hurricane of passion. The speed made us very energetic. We didn't make out for long before things became hot and heavy. I slipped my hand into his tight leather pants and grabbed his sweet man package. I was thinking at this point 'how did a firehose end up in here?'. Then I realized this was his cock. It was the longest, thickest anaconda of a cock I ever witnessed. I pulled down his pants, which was difficult because he was getting real hard, real fast. I don't even want to guess how long his penis was, at least 12 inches, maybe more. And it was so think I couldn't even grab around it all with one hand. His cock was sweaty and glistened. I wanted this black staff real bad. I pulled off my own pants and bent down. I stuck the head of his cock in my mouth but it was just too big. I licked the rim a bit but I knew what I REALLY wanted. I turned around and assumed the position I have assumed so many times before. Face down, ass up. That's the way we like to fuck. My anus was not prepared for this brutal thrashing however. I've always described the sensation of anal intercourse as taking a long, incredibly enjoyable shit. But this didn't feel right at all. The walls of my anus were ripping, "PLEASE! Be gentle! I'm just a little white boy" I screamed. Jamal, fueled by crystal meth, wouldn't stop though. He began pushing his black cock into me harder and harder. The pain and pleasure was out of this world. I could feel his huge testicles smacking the back of my ass. He was grunting and groaning like a real man. I could hear the sensuous sound of blood and shit being packed by his violent fucking. I was in immense pain but I didn't want it to stop. He must have fucked me for 45 minutes before it was over but finally he began to cum. He was screaming so loud, "OH OH OH OH OH MY GOD, YES YES YES, TAKE IT LIKE A MAN, TAKE IT LIEK A MAN, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! OH YEAH!" At that moment I felt a gallon of cum spray into my ass, and I could hear shit, blood, and semen squishing inside me. It was paradise.

    After Jamal removed his penis from my ass the problems started. I realized I was bleeding a lot more than usual. It took a whole roll of toilet paper to clean it up. I got dressed and returned to the discotech to unwind before going home. As I was walking across the dancefloor I felt a sharp pain in my ass and lower stomach. I fell to the floor and started screaming, I was shaking and sweaty and pale. At that moment, a huge surge of watery shit spewed from my anus. It was mixed with blood and semen. I was crying and screaming and in pain. Everything started to go black and I vomited all over myself. I briefly remember someone pulling me out of my pile of feces, semen, blood, and vomit and on to a stretcher.

    I awoke in a hospital bed. A doctor was there when I opened my eyes. He explained to me how I almost died and how my ass and lower intestine were permanently damaged not only from Jamal but also from years of vigorous fucking by multitudes of men. It was a shock but I knew it was my own fault, you cannot lead this sort of lifestyle and not face the consequences one day.

    So life goes on, I no longer frequent the discotec where I met Jamal and then collapsed spewing watery shit. I lead a much more relaxed, normal life now. I still talk to Jamal, even though he damaged me I will never forget that night. He is in love now with a boy in his hometown, and I wish him the best.

    1. Re:PLEASE PUT MY NUTS IN YOUR MOUTH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
      ...discover his name was Jamal

      No! It's Junis!

  26. HOW TO BEAT THE 10PPD LIMIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    SIGN UP FOR 10 ACCOUNTS, THEN POST ANONYMOUSLY IN EACH ONE. GETS YOU 100 POSTS IF YOU DONT GET BANNED!

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    1. Re:HOW TO BEAT THE 10PPD LIMIT by The+Spam+Troll · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      This post should be modded up.

  27. TROLLS |======D~~~ (0) -- SLashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  28. stable URLs? by captaineo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought URLs were supposed to be permanently stable! Shutting down a TLD does not exactly help this out...

    I admit I've broken a couple minor links on my own sites, but I do try very very hard to keep old URLs working...

    1. Re:stable URLs? by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, URLs were supposed to be permanently stable.

      And cyberspace was supposed to make us free.

      Etc., etc. (digging in pile of old Mondo 2000 back issues....)

    2. Re:stable URLs? by jonman_d · · Score: 2

      So were world-superpowers.

      The internet can't remain "stable," expecially in such a changing world. It's got to evolve with the times.

    3. Re:stable URLs? by Zigg · · Score: 2

      So what?

      If I pick up a 20-year-old book that has a .su address in it (not likely, I grant you, but work with me here), there should be no reason that it cannot still work, if the domain owner cares to keep it alive.

  29. Well... by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they decide to take away .su, you could always sue. http://www.lawyers.su ;)

  30. ROB MALDA TACO SNOTS TRAFFIC CONES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  31. A new use for .su by E-Rock-23 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Assign them to Teacher's Pets, high ranking corporate and political subordinates, Slashdot Karma Whores, and other such people. Reason?

    .s(uck)u(p)

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  32. proc /cat/cpuinfo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    processor : 0
    vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
    cpu family : 6
    model : 7
    model name : AMD Duron(tm) Processor
    stepping : 0
    cpu MHz : 800.040
    cache size : 64 KB
    fdiv_bug : no
    hlt_bug : no
    f00f_bug : no
    coma_bug : no
    fpu : yes
    fpu_exception : yes
    cpuid level : 1
    wp : yes
    flags : fpu vme de tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
    bogomips : 1595.80

  33. MICHAEL EATS HIS OWN F�CES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    HOW TO POOP AT WORK

    We've all been there but don't like to admit it. We've all kicked back in our cubicles and suddenly felt something brew down below. As much as we try to convince ourselves otherwise, the WORK POOP is inevitable. For those who hate pooping at work, following is the 2001 Survival Guide for taking a dump at work. Memorize these definitions and pooping at work will become a pure pleasure.

    ESCAPEE.
    Definition: a fart that slips out while taking a leak at the urinal or forcing a poop in a stall. This is usually accompanied by a sudden wave of panic embarrassment. This is similar to the hot flash you receive when passing an unseen police car and speeding. If you release an escapee, do not acknowledge it. Pretend it did not happen. If you are standing next to the farter in the urinal, pretend you did not hear it. No one likes an escapee, it is uncomfortable for all involved. Making a joke or laughing makes both parties feel uneasy.

    JAILBREAK (Used in conjunction with ESCAPEE).
    Definition: When forcing poop, several farts slip out at a machine gun pace. This is usually a side effect of diarrhea or a hangover. If this should happen, do not panic. Remain in the stall until everyone has left the bathroom so to spare everyone the awkwardness of what just occurred.

    COURTESY FLUSH.
    Definition: The act of flushing the toilet the instant the nose cone of the poop log hits the water and the poop is whisked away to an undisclosed location. This reduces the amount of air time the poop has to stink up the bathroom. This can help you avoid being caught doing the WALK OF SHAME.

    WALK OF SHAME.
    Definition: Walking from the stall, to the sink, to the door after you have just stunk up the bathroom. This can be a very uncomfortable moment if someone walks in and busts you. As with all farts, it is best to pretend that the smell does not exist. Can be avoided with the use of the COURTESY FLUSH.

    OUT OF THE CLOSET POOPER.
    Definition: A colleague who poops at work and damn proud of it. You will often see an Out Of The Closet Pooper enter the bathroom with a newspaper or magazine under their arm. Always look around the office for the Out Of The Closet Pooper before entering the bathroom.

    THE POOPING FRIENDS NETWORK (PFN).
    Definition: A group of coworkers who band together to ensure emergency pooping goes off without incident. This group can help you to monitor the whereabouts of Out Of The Closet Poopers, and identify SAFE HAVENS.

    SAFE HAVENS.
    Definition: A seldom used bathroom somewhere in the building where you can least expect visitors. Try floors that are predominantly of the opposite sex. This will reduce the odds of a pooper of your sex entering the bathroom.

    TURD BURGLAR:
    Definition: A pooper who does not realize that you are in the stall and tries to force the door open. This is one of the most shocking and vulnerable moments that can occur when taking a dump at work. If this occurs, remain in the stall until the Turd Burglar leaves. This way you will avoid all uncomfortable eye contact.

    CAMO-COUGH.
    Definition: A phony cough that alerts all new entrants into the bathroom that you are in a stall. This can be used to cover-up a WATERMELON, or to alert potential Turd Burglars. Very effective when used in conjunction with an ASTAIRE.

    ASTAIRE.
    Definition: A subtle toe-tap that is used to alert potential Turd Burglars that you are occupying a stall. This will remove all doubt that the stall is occupied. If you hear an Astaire, leave the bathroom immediately so the pooper can poop in peace.

    WATERMELON.
    Definition: A turd that creates a loud splash when hitting the toilet water. This is also an embarrassing incident. If you feel a Watermelon coming on, create a diversion. See CAMO-COUGH.

    HAVANA OMELET.
    Definition: A load of diarrhea that creates a series of loud splashes in the toilet water. Often accompanied by an Escapee. Try using a Camo-Cough with an Astaire.

    UNCLE TED.
    Definition: A bathroom user who seems to linger around forever. Could spend extended lengths of time in front of the mirror or sitting on the pot. An Uncle Ted makes it difficult to relax while on the crapper, as you should always wait to drop your load when the bathroom is empty. This benefits you as well as the other bathroom attendees.

    FLY BY.
    Definition: The act of scouting out a bathroom before pooping. Walk in and check for other poopers. If there are others in the bathroom, leave and come back again. Be careful not to become a FREQUENT FLYER. People may become suspicious if they catch you constantly going into the bathroom.

  34. Re:something more flexible by davesag · · Score: 3, Insightful
    how about unicode arbitrary case insensitive strings being valid domain names. i mean why exactly do we need the damn dots. why can't my website be http://davesag and aliased as http://dave sag.

    cheers

    dave

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  35. I HAVE ENORMOUS MAN TITTIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I wake up.

    I wake up, and my finger smells like poop and I wonder,

    Why?

    It's 9am, and I baffled at my middle finger, covered in
    dried up rectal mucus, dank and tangy to my nostrils.

    Feces covered finger, where art thou been whilst I be gone in my
    unconscious travels?

    What wonderful places have you discovered, my dearest, longest finger?

    Surely, you must have probed into places far from the reach of
    civilization's contemptive touch? Places of primitive beauty, places
    of unkempt placitude...

    Finger, let us speak of better times, for our paths have met like
    destined, and destined they are to diverge. Speak of your journeys
    and conquest, O Finger, and inspire us all....

    And The Finger spoketh. The Finger spoke of its tireless journey
    to the center of the human soul, to find the hidden treasure that
    lie before only the strong of will and heart. Endlessly, Finger
    sailed seas of diarrhea and scaled cliffs of constipation. For
    several fortnight, the Finger had battled it's way into the
    center of mankind. And on the ninth day of several fortnights,
    the Finger had reached the core.

    And found nothing.

    And yet, the Finger came away with the most valuable treasure
    of all.

    You see, spoketh Finger, many fingers have come and gone. In
    and out they went down to seek the treasure in the center
    of the human soul. But they looked so hard, they did, that they
    missed the treasure that lie before their very eyes. Lo and
    behold, the treasure be in the quest itself; the joy of
    adventure cannot be found in places of darkness, but in the
    journey of light itself.

    We had our laughs, then bid adieu, and merrily went our separate
    ways. But he shared his treasure, that Finger did, only for me
    to share with you.
  36. ANNOUNCING!!! by The+Spam+Troll · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    After The BOFH Troll was locked down to a pitiful two posts a day, he decided to reinvent himself as "The Spam Troll." Every once in a while, I will post a piece of spam from my inbox in a story. As well, I will also mention a little tidbit about an author's sexuality or how he/she sucks (whatever comes to mind). Please reply with suggestions, threats, or the like.

  37. SUCK MY DICK AND FUCKING LIKE IT !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
  38. .eu by danny · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Doesn't the European Union want a .eu domain? Surely ICANN can't allow that and at the same time nix maintaining .su...

    Danny.

    --
    I have written over 900 book reviews
    1. Re:.eu by jpatokal · · Score: 5, Informative
      Doesn't the European Union want a .eu domain? Surely ICANN can't allow that and at the same time nix maintaining .su...

      The .eu domain was officially approved March 26, 2002; registration is expected to start early next year. The tiny difference between the Soviet Union and the European Union is that the USSR was officially dissolved over 10 years ago, while the EU is not just alive but growing.

      ObURL: http://www.eu-domain-names-resource.com/

      Cheers,
      -j.

    2. Re:.eu by danny · · Score: 2
      The USSR was disolved, but the CIS still exists...

      Danny.

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    3. Re:.eu by kimba · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most former soviet states don't want .su though.

    4. Re:.eu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The states of course don't. People do.
      As for being "officially" dissolved, yeah, three fucks agreed in secret not giving shit about a previous referendum.

      Ten years have passed since the great event
      The Evil Empire's long awaited end
      Fifteen sovereign nations pursuing happiness
      Not subjects anymore but free citizens

      Expected lifetime dropped by ten years
      Homeless are sleeping in the streets
      Twofold increase in illiteracy
      Welcome to the western liberal democracy!

      root@demos.su

  39. The problem with ICANN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The pending death ( or not ) of the .su domain is yet anothe demonstration of the stupidity of ICANN.

    The best policy is to let it stay around. And to add more TLDs to the list. If they need rules, they could have two letters for countries and geographic areas. Three letters ( or more ) for anything else.

    All ICANN should do, is set the technical standards for setting up a TLD, and then letting anybody who meets them, setup the TLD, and maintain the root servers for that TLD. It just might mean that domain names are meaningful --- especially if the TLD granter enforces the naming policies of that TDL. [ .org would only be for non-profit organizations, as one example. ]

    The register of the .su TLD does have one thing more or less right --- only trademarks can be registered. [ I think it should also allow the name of the organization, or its initials. Granted, that will eliminate personal webpages with a domain of their own. ( free.tibet comes to mind. ( and yes that is the correct URL for that page. ) ) Allowing cities or states as the second level should also be permissible. I'm not sure I want things the way the .us domain was originally setup yourname.yourcity.yourstate.us, but it has some advantages. http://www.symphony.seattle.wa.us is a lot easier to remember than whatever the Seattle Symphony uses for their website. http://symphony.renton.wa.us is much easier to remember than whatever they use --- which isn't listed on google either. :-(

    1. Re:The problem with ICANN by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Why should .su stay around? The Soviet Union does NOT exist anymore; it hasn't for quite a while.

      www.free.tibet is an invalid domain. .tibet is not a TLD, at least not in the dns system that 99% of of the world uses.

      And the Seattle Symphony? Not listed in google?

      A google search for "Seattle Symphony" returns "www.seattlesymphony.org" as it's first link.

      I smell a troll.

    2. Re:The problem with ICANN by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      And so-called international domains should be so.
      Currently the majority of .edu addresses are in the US, there are very few outside... tu-varna.edu is the only one i know of, it`s a university in bulgaria.
      But if you happen to work for a government or military organization in any country other than the us, and try to register a gov or mil domain.. you`l never get it.. americans want to greedily hog .gov/.mil for themselves while having .us aswell, why shouldnt they have army.mil.us, just like the UK has army.mod.uk and not ukarmy.mil

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    3. Re:The problem with ICANN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      america invented the internet? the british don't put their initials on postage stamps because they invented the concept.

  40. I HAVE SEX WITH TRAFFIC CONES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    FUCK YOU !!

  41. KATHLEEN FENT IS A TRAFFIC CONE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    oh baby, those lovely buck teeth! Bite my dick HARD! - Rop Malta

  42. Re:What about our business-model? (correction) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    That is GNU/gay-sex and GNU/anal-sex. Sorry for the mistake, please don't flame me RMS! :(

  43. lots of e-mail addresses :((( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    True that .su doesn't have many known web sited. The problem is that ons of working e-mail addresses will be doomed. E.g. my father has an e-mail which has not changed as of 1994. Hundreds, if not thousands of people know it and there's no way to track whom to notify of change. For him, removing .su woud be a DISASTER. Hope it will never happen

    1. Re:lots of e-mail addresses :((( by netsharc · · Score: 2

      I guess he should notify everybody first, or the system could set a simple auto-reply in the order of "This still works, but only for a little more while.". A simple change would be to change the ".su" part of the email to ".(whatever country your father currently resides in now)", assuming his e-mail buddies know in which country he actually lives. But no one has money to do that I guess.

      So he got the email address two years after the USSR fell? Makes sense, I doubt the Communist Party would have wanted its citizens to be able to talk using an uncensored western communication medium. I wonder what was the rationale behind creating a .su domain at all?

      And why .su? .ussr or .cccp would be a lot damn cooler, IMO. :)

      --
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    2. Re:lots of e-mail addresses :((( by vejalis · · Score: 0, Redundant

      We don't agree with the attitude of those people who say that we will not be harmed by .SU destruction. From the marketing point of view (which - by all means - should determine the technical point of view with the users' interests and not the other way around) existence of .SU is fully justified.

  44. .net.uk by FTL · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is also a plan afoot to drop the .net.uk second level domain by Christmas. Strong objections have been raised, but Nominet may not listen. It is scary to think that one's online identity (be it .su or .net.uk or something else) could be pulled out from under you. IMHO, if upper-level domains are to be scrapped, the existing ones should be grandfathered.

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  45. How about this? by Troy+H+Parker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's wrong with both Geographical and national cc's? Geek thinking tends to try to make it all "make sense" by conforming to a pattern or rule, but why? It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to work.

    1. Re:How about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a good point, you're right.

    2. Re:How about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what's wrong with having TLDs which conform to the pattern of the class struggle? There's no reason that an union of soviets needs to be in Russia etc.

  46. just thinking.... by bluFox · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What would the world be today if soviet union was arround? would terrorism have grown to this level? i have a nagging doubt that it is the absence of an alternative power centre that caused it to grow..

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    ~561
    1. Re:just thinking.... by LPetrazickis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Unless Bush ordered the WTC attack because he needed an enemy, you are wrong.:)

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      Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
    2. Re:just thinking.... by JimMcCusker · · Score: 1

      The Soviet Union was a major sponsor of international terrorism. It was mostly leftist/socialist groups in Europe and the Americas. Al Qaida grew out of some of the many terrorist groups that we supported, including the Muhaddijen (sp?), who you-know-who fought with and funded.

    3. Re:just thinking.... by bluFox · · Score: 0

      In case Soviet Union was arround, the terrorist organisations would have aligned with one of the power centers either usa or ussr,.. in such a case an attack like that of wtc would not have come about because it was a sure fire way to start third world war and the masters of these people [those who gave arms / training] would never have let that happen. The wtc happened because terrorists know that america can not hold any particular nation culprit visibly destroy it and hope to have destroyed the whole network.

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      ~561
  47. And then.. by Konster · · Score: 5, Funny

    My name is Yuri.

    I ams Top Level Directorate of .su domains here in the ligoroursly disposed U.S.S.R as yous in West part like to say, it is C.C.R.

    Asks us and thinks us we are bad yet unrepentant Political Party in Russia that gathers steams in large bushels.

    We are Voice of The Peoples.

    To say that we have no longer a voices in top leveled domains is propaganda. We are the largest party of politics in Russia. Powerful and forceful. With clouts. We have!

    We be shall returning to the International Arena with forces and large clout given to us by the Land of The Mother.

    By Stalin! We shall retake Leningrad and .su!

    All U R Ship R Belong to Us.

    1. Re:And then.. by Ektanoor · · Score: 2

      Well tovarish, your talk sounds good for a trotskist agent of the dirty, shadowy voices of Imperialism and Capitalism. However, your voice reflects you capitalist grounds.

      It is not Top Level Directorate but High Commissariate, Central Commitee, and Higher Congress. You forgot one C in CCCP (Soyuz Sovetskikh Socialistichekikh Respublik). It is not the "we are Voice of The Peoples" but we are "The People". On what concerns "largest party of politics", do you really think that we all speak English so badly? It's "largest political party".

      And now sorry for the english speaking fellows but this guy tried to play so well on grumbling its Engrus that he made a very silly mistake. So directly to him:

      Vy ponyali shto napisali po angliiskii? Materniui Zemlyu!.. Rodina-Mat budet "Motherland" mat vashu.

    2. Re:And then.. by martinflack · · Score: 2

      ... And All Your Base Are Belong To Us.

  48. How about Layers by QQ2 · · Score: 1
    I mean with all the layer adds these day's I think these guys deserver there own .cu. Think of all the names like:

    I-will-help-u.cu

    Who-do-you-want-to.cu

  49. su - by mejh · · Score: 1

    It's easy to add a ccTLD, but much much harder to remove one.

    How about:

    # su -
    # rm ccTLD/.su

    ;-)

  50. But isn't ICANN affraid... by Adrian+Voinea · · Score: 4, Funny

    that, once reunited, the Soviet Union might hire a bunch of lawyers and su ? ;)

    1. Re:But isn't ICANN affraid... by namespan · · Score: 2

      Possible the right thing to do is to give the domain name to the RIAA and MPAA....

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  51. OT: Microsoft continues to be evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Did ya see the story about microsoft on Wired. What a nasty place.

  52. Why bother? by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is there some other entity *wanting* the .su top-level particularly badly (I didn't see anything in the article telling me one way or the other)?

    They should stop allowing new registrations within .su and raise the maintainence fees accordingly so that it dies out naturally. When it reaches zero domains (or close enough to zero for government work) nix the top-level domain. ICANN gets money, the die-hards get continued use of the domain. Problem solved right?

  53. MS = Montserrat by superkri · · Score: 4, Informative

    .MS is actually in use by the caribbean country Montserrat [2], according to http://www.ms/names.htm and nic.ms. You can get a domain for US$50 a year, but microsoft.ms is already registred by Virtualley InterWarez.Services GmbH. ;-)

    1. Re:MS = Montserrat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      but microsoft.ms is already registred by Virtualley InterWarez.Services GmbH

      Sheesh, I can just see what the "warez services" could be using this for. "We suggest you download this 'patch' from http://www.microsoft.ms/..." =)

    2. Re:MS = Montserrat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And while we're at it, visit: http://fuck.ms/

  54. About .su by Ektanoor · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Well there is one thing that some are ignoring. Apart of nostalgia and other problems, like lots of mail users still being in .su domain, there is another argument. Some people want to use .su for CIS sites.

  55. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    +5, Informative.

    Damnit.

  56. ICANN is stupid by Kyeo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I may not know many .su sites, but I don't know too many .museum's either. They should start dropping that too.

  57. Re:something more flexible by athmanb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because host names without a dot are reserved for the local network.

  58. Nice troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Half of your listed "occupied countries" are invalid. The good ones are Tibet and Hawaii.

    1. Re:Nice troll. by Isle · · Score: 2

      Funny I would say these were the most invalid. Chechnia has a government and Palestine has an international recognized one.

    2. Re:Nice troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither of the two have ever been independent countries, though.

      If the Palestinians hadn't been such idiots as to flee their homes in advance of the Arab nations' "inevitable" crushing of Israel, they'd be happy Israeli citizens today, just like the million Arabs who didn't flee.

    3. Re:Nice troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palestine also has a TLD - .pl.

      This thread is worse than Hitler!

    4. Re:Nice troll. by Kyeo · · Score: 1

      .pl is Poland. You're thinking .ps

    5. Re:Nice troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Amen brother!

      "No wait! All we want is 'pre-1967 borders!' The fact that we HAD pre-1967 borders (in say... 1966!) but still invaded Israel 3 times is NOT evidence that we want ALL of Israel/Palestine."

      "Oh yeah, and all of our problems are due to America and Israel, etc. etc."

  59. DNS is our *friend* by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

    Because DNS actually has some meaning to its syntax. It's not just a slightly different looking set of "AOL keywords" with periods inconveniently placed in it.

    Now, I'd be all for another naming system if people really want another one (and I'm *sure* nothing would make MS happier than controlling their own naming system...like a global Active Directory or something), but can people stop trying to mangle DNS? It's been a nice, (relatively) straightforward system for years.

    ".biz". Argh. Fucking registrars.

  60. Quit bashing DNS. It's your friend. by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, brother.

    This isn't just *DNS*, it's the standardized ISO country code system. It's always hard to change, it doesn't change easily, etc.

    You want some good reasons to use the current system? Okay, let's go.

    A) Politics. Not just a joke any more. A lot of "countries" want legitimacy (or to remove legitimacy) by getting a TLD, and political pressure has been placed on ICANN before. ICANN solved this by passing the buck onto ISO, and saying that they don't deal with political problems -- that they use only ISO country codes for regions. Unless you want Israel or Palestine bombing ICANN members, this is worth considering.

    B) Stability. A naming system that fluxes constantly is *much* less useful. The idea is that IPs can change, the underlying network can move around, but names stay the same. If you move to *anything* that's easier to change, you reduce the usefulness of the naming system to end users.

    C) Inherent data within the naming system. With a few annoying exceptions, you can tell where something is based just by glancing at its domain name. Now, before people start on the usual 'Net dogma "the Internet erases all boundaries and obsoletes nationalities", let me point out that we still happen to exist in the real world as well, for the time being. There's a fairly useful correlation between country name and physical distance (esp. since most educated people can tell roughly how far it is from their country to another). Unless network technology gets drastically different, this has a pretty major relationship to latency, bandwidth, *and* network cost (i.e. you're supposed to use mirrors within your own country, and it's pretty easy to tell where they are if you just glance at the TLD on the mirrors). Second, like it or not, different countries have different laws and censorship rules as relate to the Internet. If I can easily tell that a site is in China, I can figure out whether the government's likely to have sanitized the information on it.

    D) It's *a* clear solution. The good thing about the current system is that there aren't quibbles. "Well, *maybe* ISO really meant *this* when they assigned the country codes" doesn't come up. If people start trying to build a .xxx TLD and then make international agreements to force porn to be in .xxx, there's going to be more classification arguments than we can possibly imagine.

    E) Trademark issues. There's a fairly clear (and, I think, reasonable) advantage to Microsoft in not letting Apple grab "microsoft.com" and redirect it to a fake site that gives people a bad impression of Microsoft. Countries already have their own trademark rules and registries set up, with a legal system in place to avoid conflicts. If you register things in .co.uk, you don't have to worry about trademark conflicts, because the country already has an excellent, dispute-resolved database to work from, and simply applies that system to their name granting system.

    F) Potential for an alternative. DNS isn't bound into the Internet at an architectural level, though it is quite popular. It's quite replaceable by people that want to set up their own system. If you want a non-hierarchical system, without domains (i.e. keywords), *go* for it. Set up a couple of servers, a registrar, hand out patches for Mozilla and IE, and you're good to go. Just don't try to turn the *Domain* Name System into your *Keyword* Name System. If someone wanted to set up a naming system based on GPS coordinates, they could do it if they wanted to.

  61. Re:something more flexible by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because DNS is hierarchical.

    You don't like it, for the love of God, don't try to make everyone else unhappy with DNS. Set up your own "keyword" server, add a patch to Moz and IE, and let people use *that* naming system.

    If that's what people really want, people will use it.

  62. Re:Quit bashing DNS. It's your friend. by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 2, Interesting

    " With a few annoying exceptions, you can tell where something is based just by glancing at its domain name."

    Some examples of the exceptions:
    - That whole "dot tv" bullshit. I'd say atleast half of the people with .tv dont even know where tuvalu is.
    - .tk's are free for anyone, anywhere, again.. and i doubt their users can even pronounce Tokelau (note: to save you all some time, they only give redirects, its not that great.)

    - and most other domains also let you register without actually being there or in any way being related to that location. see irc server in my username/sig.

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  63. Here is why. by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    Because, the Internet is NOT the "World Wide Web". It's not what you see with your web browser and email. What makes sense to you is not necessarily what someone else wants.

    THe DNS system is designed to give machines and networks a name, and that's it. It's a shame that the WWW uses dns as a keyword system in the first place; I advocate going the other way; scrap the generic TLD's and stick to regional country codes.

  64. Re:And this after the Iron Sheik won the Royal Rum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He only won the gimmick Battle Royal, not the Royal Rumble. He is however a former WWF Champion (beating Bob Backlund, losing to Hulk Hogan). And what does Iran have to do with the USSR anyway? Shouldn't we be talking about Nikolai Volkoff?

  65. Russia? by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    Why would they not be able to keep .ru? I just asked my Russian friend, and Russia definately still exists.

  66. Bad example by njchick · · Score: 2, Insightful
    http://www.symphony.seattle.wa.us is a lot easier to remember than whatever the Seattle Symphony uses for their website.
    People outside the US would have a problem remembering the "wa" part.
    1. Re:Bad example by catfood · · Score: 2

      Yes, but they would have an unambiguous way to find out.

  67. Hawaii? by jdmoline · · Score: 2, Informative

    How can you possibly include Hawaii in your list of occupied countries? Hawaii became a U.S. state in 1959. The citizens of Hawaii are fully represented in the U.S. government. With 4 electoral votes, they have more representation than Alaska, Deleware, D.C., Montana, North & South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming. Hawaii is not an occupied country.

    1. Re:Hawaii? by mpe · · Score: 2

      How can you possibly include Hawaii in your list of occupied countries? Hawaii became a U.S. state in 1959.

      When a choice was given between becomming a state and remaining a US territory. Either way control would remain with the Washington government thousands of miles away.

      The citizens of Hawaii are fully represented in the U.S. government. With 4 electoral votes, they have more representation than Alaska, Deleware, D.C., Montana, North & South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming.

      How many of these examples are of independent and internationally recognised (including by the USA, which formally recognised the Hawaiian Kingdom in 1826) nation states, which the US occupied as a colonial power in the process supressing the existing government (in violation of the Hague convention of 1907, BTW)? The answer is zero.
      As for the 1959 vote this was supposedly held under article 73 of the UN charter. Problem is that this would have required 3 options, to remain a territory, to become part of the trustee country or to become independent. There are problems even here, since the US had placed Hawaii on a list of non self-governing territories, amongst US administered territories which had never been the entirity of a nation state.
      A more valid historical comparison would be with cold war Easten europe, the only one which comes to mind involving a non land border is the British occupation of Ireland.
      1959 isn't the latest in the story from the US Government side anyway. In 1988 the DOJ concluded that the US had no authority to annex Hawaii by joint resolution of Congress. On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which amongst other things, acknowlages that sovereignty of Hawaii was never surrendered, to the US or any other nation.
      In 1999 the UN confirmed that the 1959 vote as non binding, since it violated article 73.

  68. Re:lots of e-mail addresses by hendridm · · Score: 1

    I'd tell him to set up a forwarding address now and start telling people of the possibility. If it were cut off abruptly, it's a lot easier to forward your mail to a different provider than it is to tell everyone that your e-mail address has changed (hell, half the people that send me e-mail don't have my account in their address book - they just find a message from me in their inbox and click REPLY).

  69. Adding a TLD by /cypher · · Score: 1
    "It's easy to add a ccTLD, but much much harder to remove one."

    Define easy. Ryan Lackey of Havenco spoke at ACM's Reflections/Projections conference this weekend, and he expects that getting a TLD for Sealand will take about 5 years. That sounds like a long process.

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    1. Re:Adding a TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the people in charge (ICANN, etc) want to add one, it's very easy for them to do. If someone else wants to add one, they have to spend time convincing everyone that it should be added.

      Buying a car is easy, but getting the money to buy a car might not be.

  70. .cccp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was thinking about getting .su, mmmmmm...

  71. Cheap alternative by billcopc · · Score: 1

    Why pay 15 grand for a domain when you can just "su" the current owner for it ? ICANN is so retarded you can probably bullshit your way into a free domain.

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    -Billco, Fnarg.com
  72. Wasn't this on the Simpsons? by IvyMike · · Score: 3, Funny

    At the ICANN Building in New York City, a meeting of nations is in progress.
    Russian official: The Soviet Union will be pleased to offer amnesty to your wayward website.
    American official: The Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up.
    Russian official: Yes, that's what we wanted you to think! [evil laugh] -- "Simpson Tide", Episode 3G04

  73. Re:And this after the Iron Sheik won the Royal Rum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    And what does Iran have to do with the USSR anyway? Shouldn't we be talking about Nikolai Volkoff?


    Yes, but they were always very close. I believe they often worked as a tag team. How amazing how art imitates life. How close the pagan Soviet Union was to the radical Islamic state of Iran. Who would have ever thought these two ideological enemies could come together in peace and harmony in their hatred of the United States? God sometimes politics is awesome.

  74. No need to get rid of it. by Maul · · Score: 2

    Just stop registering new domains and let the old ones stay.

    It is probably a lot less work for everyone involved, and will keep people with .su domains happy and online.

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  75. Re:Quit bashing DNS. It's your friend. by Lars+T. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Speaking of .tv - what happens to that TLD should Tuvalu actually sinks into the ocean?

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  76. I want to register will.su by camusflage · · Score: 2

    Then, I can have fun names like riaa.will.su, netkooks.will.su, and the ultimate, scientology.will.su.

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  77. Re:Quit bashing DNS. It's your friend. by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2

    Funny you didn't mention .cx. But I guess they aren't as popular as when they were free to people other than Christmas Island residents.

    Also .ws, not "web site", or "world site", Western Somoa. Oh and the newest of the bunch, .bz, has become popular because of .biz, which I'm sure makes Belize happy.

    You can find all this at http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm.

    Oh, and .io is much like .tk, but you have to pay for it.

  78. Thank God it's over!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Thank god that the sovoiet union is no more. Thanks to Ronald reagan for busting up the soviets. Now, please, lets rd the cyber world of that god awful reminder of those horrid, repressive, terroristic soviet days. Good riddance to the su domain!!

  79. so it was actually WEstood, not Lenin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fucking capitalist brainwashers.
    when is RedAlert 3 gonna comes out?

  80. In Soviet Russia... by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

    ...TLD's .su you!

  81. Not the 1st time by thogard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    .oz was removed years ago. What used to live there moved to oz.au.

    1. Re:Not the 1st time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod the parent up!

      The people reading this site must be very young to not remember the .oz fiasco. Taking the TLD from Australia was very painful for many years. Our government didn't fight very hard to keep our TLD. After years of problems caused by it, I think even the most technically inept of them learned to regret that decision. I wonder which TLD ICANN('t) will attack next...

  82. Someone should... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    .su

    ha ha

    anyway, two vaguely off topic suggestions for DNS.

    One is that a default hierarchy structure would be nice. US telephone numbers are all 10 digits, but most people only dial 7 numbers in their area code, with the other three digits filled in by the phone company. Right now, when you look up microsoft in a browser, it can be configured to default the .com and look up the microsoft.com address that you meant. It should instead be a geopolitical default, so that in the US you would get microsoft.co.us and in japan you would get microsoft.co.jp and so on, hopefully with the option of configuring the browser to add a specific default or leave it to a DNS. The other part of this wuold be cross hierarchy searches, so that you could search all TLDs for microsoft.co or something, although that would not be a big deal. Entering microsoft should search for microsoft.co first in your geopolitical region then in others, or perhaps in a list chosen at the user and/or dns level. Basically this could, if set up correctly, work as well for anyone as it does now for US users looking for .com entries.

    The other part of this would be to break .com and similar TLDs out by registered country, so microsoft.com would become microsoft.co.us and map all existing lookups to their new names.

    I realize that this is unrealistic. It is just wishful thinking. In theory we will someday add a new level to domains, so you get .tld.earth and .tld.moon and every other conquered planet. Otherwise we will run out of two letter combinations pretty fast. So this would help the hierarchy adopt, when tld stands for something other than top level domain. Perhaps terrain level domain.

  83. geographical boundaries that no longer exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To me it seemed as though we got only more geographical boudaries by the breakup of the Unbreakable Union of Freeborn Republics...

  84. Mod parent up! Mod parent up! by invalid_user · · Score: 1

    With coorporate frauds, Israel protectionism and all the recent war mongering, Americanism, I'm afraid, can^H^H^Hmust no longer be the "in" thing. This socialist vigilante gets my vote. You go, comrade --- bring down them capitalist monkey men!

  85. So if Bush gets his way... by bobdotorg · · Score: 2

    So if Bush gets his way and we obliterate Iraq, what will become of the .iq domain?

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  86. Re:Quit bashing DNS. It's your friend. by kju · · Score: 2

    You are confused. .cx was never free to people other than residents. The opposite is true, it was (and afair still is) free to residents. Foreigners had to pay since the beginning.

  87. .suomi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The finnish "finnishness" movement (that, among other things, wants to promote Finnish in favour of minority languages such as Swedish) would probably appreciate .su being freed up so that they could get a ccTLD for Finland in Finnish (Finland is "Suomi" in Finnish).

    The only problem is probably that the proposal would be submitted in Finnish.

  88. The Man in Black says: by CoffeeNowDammit · · Score: 2, Funny



    a.boy.named.su

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  89. ALL YOUR BASE WERE BELONG TO SU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 1991 Golpe was beginning...

    Gorbachev: What happened?
    General: Somebody set up us the bomb.
    General: We get signal.
    Gorbachev: What?
    General: Main screen turn on...
    Gorbachev: It's you!
    Yanayev: How are you gentlemen? All your base are
    belong to su!
    Yanayev: You are on the way to destruction.
    Gorbachev: What you say?
    Yanayev: You have no chance to survive make your time.
    Yanayev: AHAHAHAHA
    Eltsin: Take off every MIG!
    Gorbachev: You know what you doing?
    Eltsin: Move MIG!
    Eltsin: For great justice!

  90. Re:Quit bashing DNS. It's your friend. by AnotherShep · · Score: 1

    E) Trademark issues. There's a fairly clear (and, I think, reasonable) advantage to Microsoft in not letting Apple grab "microsoft.com" and redirect it to a fake site that gives people a bad impression of Microsoft.

    What, that they do it well enough on their own?

  91. Re:Quit bashing DNS. It's your friend. by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

    I might be wrong but I thought at one time they where giving away domains to opensource projects. Basically as a way of saying thanks for all the software.

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  92. The results of a users' poll on the SU destiny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://save.nsk.su/english/media/pr/011106.html

    52% of users believe that the domain .SU must be saved. During the last ten days in October 2001 one of Novosibirsk biggest ISP Rinet carried on an interactive user poll on its official corporate web site. The results show that 52% of users believe that the domain .SU must be saved.

    The visitors were given 4 choices of an answer to the question: "What do you think about possible TLD SU destruction?"

    a) Yes, it's high time that SU must be destroyed - 18.2%
    b) No, It should be left as is - 52.3%
    c) No difference - 17.4%
    d) I never heard about possible destruction before! - 12.1%

    All voters could also follow the link to the "Save SU" site and find out more about the issue of the domain before replying to the poll question.

  93. A common netizens' action to keep the SU by vejalis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://save.nsk.su/english/vote/index.html

    We as users stay out of arguments about technical issues that play for .SU destruction. From the marketing point of view (which - by all means - should determine the technical point of view with the users' interests and not the other way around) existence of .SU is fully justified. We don't agree with the attitude of those people who say that we will not be harmed by .SU destruction. On this market every solution is possible if it is demanded by users just like different watches or briefcases ranging in price from $1 to $15000 and more for an item. This is rather a question of personal preferences and habits of every one. No internet user should become a hostage of some administrative and political games of separate individuals who traditionally were closer than many regular users to the decision-making Internet organizations.

  94. Someone dropped the ball here. by welshsocialist · · Score: 2, Interesting
    On 21 December 1991, the USSR broke up. Four days later, Gorbachev resigned as Soviet President. Any new registrations for .su should have been frozen. People who had an .su domain should have been given three choices:

    A. Closing out their .su domain.
    B. Transferring their name to another ccTLD in the world;
    C. Transferring their name to one of the new Republics ccTLDs once they were set up;

    After that was done, the .su ccTLD should have died in 1991-92 and not in 2002, a full ten years after the events happened.

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  95. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    Before he became a hermit, Zarathud was a young Priest, and
    took great delight in making fools of his opponents in front of
    his followers.
    One day Zarathud took his students to a pleasant pasture and
    there he confronted The Sacred Chao while She was contentedly grazing.
    "Tell me, you dumb beast," demanded the Priest in his
    commanding voice, "why don't you do something worthwhile? What is your
    Purpose in Life, anyway?"
    Munching the tasty grass, The Sacred Chao replied "MU". (The
    Chinese ideogram for NO-THING.)
    Upon hearing this, absolutely nobody was enlightened.
    Primarily because nobody understood Chinese.
    -- Camden Benares, "Zen Without Zen Masters"

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