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Linus says 2.6 kernel will be out by June 2003
Xpilot writes "C|Net reports that Linus Torvalds predicts 2.6 will be out by June next year during a talk on his Geek Cruise. Linus called the next release '2.6', but knowing him that may be just a working title;)"
Update: 10/26 17:29 GMT by T : An anonymous reader adds "Rob Landley has published the latest list of features being considered for inclusion" in the new kernel; ... "the long and impressive list is available in more or less human readable form on Linux and Main."
Or did he just have one too many Margaritas on the Cruise :)
Rapid Nirvana
This will be March, 2004 in "Linux Years."
"May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"
...that Linus was going to call it linux-3.0. Can somebody please stick with an official version number?
If they continue like that, we'll soon have 2.5.100 ... chicks dig fancy kernel numbers.
Life sucks.
"I really dislike IA-64. I think it's a losing strategy," Torvalds said. "My personal hope is that IA-64 withers and dies because there's no point. It performs badly; it's expensive; it's an all-new instruction set that the Transmeta Crusoe processors can't emulate."
Why the digs at Intel in an article about Linux?
Unless, of course, Linus decides that there must be a set time between when the features are frozen and when the firse betas hit the servers.
I'm getting fairly excited about this, even though I don't plan on using any of these new features. Does that mean I read /. too much? ;)
Slashdot: Where people pretend to be twice as smart as they really are by behaving like children.
How about "Linux XP" -- eXtended Procrastination
For most users, Linux is around 8.0 anyway :-) Don't ask'em the difference between linux and the packaging around it a.k.a distribution..
have you been defaced today?
NO MORE BLOOD FOR OIL
What ever happened to the saying "When it's ready"? Or is that just a Redhat/Debian specific philos.?
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The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred over a year ago, followed by a Holy War against Islam, and now Israel and the Palestinians as well as India and Pakistan are teetering on the brink of their own war, Argentina is in the midst of a financial crisis, America is considering launching attacks against Somalia and Iraq, and you people have the gall to be discussing the 2.6 kernel???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!
The bodies of the thousands of innocent civilians who died (and will die) in these unprecedented events could give a good god damn about the 2.6 kernel, your childish Lego models, your nerf toy guns and whining about the lack of a "fun" workplace, your Everquest/Diablo/D&D fixation, the latest Cowboy Bebop rerun, or any of the other ways you are "getting on with your life" (here's a hint: watching Cowboy Bebop in your jammies and eating a bowl of Shreddies is *not* "getting on with your life"). The souls of the victims are watching in horror as you people squander your finite, precious time on this earth playing video games!
You people disgust me!
Cmndrtacco reports that Linus Torvalds predicts 2.6 will be out by June next year in a brief snippet of HTML on his Geek Site. In a snide editorial soliloquoy, Tacco adds,
"Linus called the next release '2.6', but knowing him that may be just a working title;)"
I really love the new features in the kernel. I think it should be called 3.0 though.
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Go canucks, habs, and sens!
I thougt it was agrreed to mane the new kernel 3.1. 3.1 is better, as everyone knows. As a user, I am disappointed the new kernel will have to wait that long, but who's goung to argue? (That's a nice tie, Linus. Yes Mr. T, I'll wait another 6 months)
WTPOUAWYHTTOTWPA
What's the point of using acronyms when you have to type out the whole phrase anyways?
I have been hearing a feature freeze for early November. Can it really take 7-8 months to go from feature freeze to a final version? Or is Linus actually planning to make 2.6.0 what 2.X.18+ quality?
Havoc Penington, the bane of my Linux desktop.
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cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0
Btw, what would be the killer new stuff in the current devel kernel granting it a major version number upgrade to 3.0 instead of the regular minor to 2.6? They must have a good reason to do so, me thinks.
have you been defaced today?
during a talk on his Geek Cruise.
.maybe not.
Imagine all the Geek Sex on that Geek Cruise!
Well. .
The cruise docked in Jamaica and everybody had a ball.
:).
We were told that just a few of the speakers would be presenting in Jamaica so 3 of us drove down to the pier to colect them.
Ha.
we neaded all 3 cars plus 2 busses to haul them to "the Ruins". We sat ESR and Linux on a panel with 4 other senior geaks and asked them some lame questions for an hour or so.
All the baby Linuses were there and Tove is realy cool. everybody seams to think the Coffee here is great (exact words: "The best I have ever tasted") so we will try to have a few bags ready for the next deligation.
PS: No the Geak Cruise dosn't normaly hold talks on land for the locals. However JaLUG asked nicely
Kevin Forge.
Jamaica Linux Users Group. JaLUG
Founding member.
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
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He never said that.
Nowhere in the article did he even imply anything like the last part of this quote (it's an all-new instruction set that the Transmeta Crusoe processors can't emulate). If you wanted to make a point you should have put this statement outside of the quote.
I can't understand why the parent was modded up.
-- kryps
Get it right...
Maybe AMD will ship the XP2600+ by then.
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nt
the original post was simply too misleading.... perhaps a missing ?
something to the effect of "Now you can hold your breath until 2.6 is released"?
What is a ghost trailer? Does this have anything to do with the Exchange Killer. Most importantly, is this fixed in the 2.6 kernel...?
2.6k, right? so.. you mean 2600, right? Linux is used by hackers.. and now they named the kernel after their magazine. awesome!
In this interview with Robert Love in July, he predicted 18 months before 2.6 gets released(that would make the release early in 2004).
:) Now that's a first.
I'm more inclined to go with Robert Love's estimate considering 2.4's late release.
Offtopic : Hey, my story submission got accepted!
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and have everyone else mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds
You know, like this other similar but not direct replacement OSS product. Any time OSS comes out with something that's a less functional copy of an MS product, it's a 'killer' of that product. Get it right!
I think it is time for a fork. DTLinux and SVLinux. DT for the desktop, SV for servers. I mean really, does Oscar Office Worker really need to hot swap processors? Come ON!.
This is getting way out of hand, and resources that could be foucssed on the battle for the destkop (BFD (haha)) are being wasted on some sort of kernal probe thing that sounds painfull.
Seriously, don't you think this kernel feature thing needs to stop!.
-- ac ah home
What a bunch of fucking retards. Everyone gets trolled so easily nowadays.
but you bet 2.6 will only be stable in 2004 (maybe 2005), when Linux will be completely replaced by BSD's (including OSX) and Windows XX (where XX is an acronym microsoft will use in 2004).
Also, expect Debian to use it as the default kernel in 2012.
Does he actually take care of any real development? I thought he was only taking care of PR and concentrating the merits of several developers for his own use.
Oh, I forgot there are brownoses like rob who think Linus is the re-incarnation of God, who claims to be "the engineer", while "the philosopher" RMS has written at least one degree of magnitude more code than him...
Damn, I guess this whole "Open Source"/GPL stuff is getting more and more about egos. I guess I won't stay away from my OpenBSD box.
That's the best one-sentence indictment of the Inanium I've seen to date.
Intel's plan was to come up with a new, different architecture that no one could clone because Intel had patents on key parts. They did. But it wasn't a better, new, different architecture. It was worse. So it seems headed for the Intel niche processor department, along with the i860 and i960, both of which are quite reasonable RISC machines that nobody cared about.
AMD's 64-bit architecture is straightforward. It's IA-32 expanded to 64 bits, with a few more registers and some of the little-used stuff removed. That's not hard to support. With Linux support, that's likely to be the mainstream machine for cost-effective server farms for the next five years or so. Assuming AMD ships the thing soon.
To prevent this dreaded war upon version numbers, a good formula would be something like:
V=1-1/X
As your revisions increment, you will be closer to the famed 1.0 release, but never quite there. The press can always ask, "ARE WE THERE YET?" and always be told, "IN A FEW MINUTES!"
That list is just the list of features that are not yet merged and thus need an imminent decision before the feature freeze next Thursday. It's also not especially long or impressive, since these are minor features and a much greater number of patches of that kind are already in. Of the stuff on that list, probably only IPSEC and one of the LVM replacements (needed since LVM1 has been removed) will impact most users, though the crash dumps would also be nice.
The significant changes in 2.6 will be the new block layer and attendant performance/scalability improvements, the new NPTL thread support, ALSA, and the XFS and JFS merges. See Guillaume Boissiere's list for more.
2.2.14 is perfect.
http://saveie6.com/
How come we seem to suddenly get lots of links to Linux and main, is there astroturfing going on?
Nope. In this lkml thread, Linus says:
It's really great that the number 1 portion of Andreas Pour's KGX will be released!
Now nothing will stop KGX from killing that monopolist M$ on the desktop!
Servers needs stability. Desktops need stability.
Servers need fast and powerful filesystems (think databases). Desktops need fast and powerful filesystems (think video and audio).
Servers need fast scheduling. Desktops need fast scheduling. (You are going to use multiple processes, right?)
Servers need a properly implemented console layer as well as desktop machines.
The next version of the heart of the Linux operating system is expected by June, project founder and leader Linus Torvalds predicted on Thursday.
RMS is blowing steam out his ears. Heart of the Linux OS?! AHHHHHHHHHH!!
"It's OK, Richard, just have a seat and breeeeathe it out. Let it out. That's right... Gooood."
Look out honey, 'cause I'm using technology; Ain't got time to make no apology
A must for embedded systems.
Makes Linux dramatically more useful (without funky patching) for (again) embedded systems, especially given the coldfire 683xx support.
What can I say about this? Another must for embedded systems, and really nice for an enterprise-wide context.
Need I tell you why this is handy?
I'll settle for just the above features but the LVM patches seem like they'd be insanely handy, the console rewrite seems like a very good idea, and the non-high-resolution POSIX timers are a good idea, too. Anything POSIX should be a priority since (hopefully) it makes code more willing to compile on more platforms. Provided people actually use the calls correctly.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It amazes me how stupid slashbots are.
A cut-ant-paste troll that bits as hard as it does astounds me.
As for Celebrity Deathmatch, Lets make it Linus and Bill Gates as not to confuse the layman watching. Then, At least 20 percent of the viewers would know why this pair was fighting.
or maybe they're just bored d8----)
It's perhaps more an aesthetic issue than anything else (after all, it's his, and if Linus decides to call the next Big Release 3.0 or 2.83986 or "Peggy" or anything else, I can't stop him), but I'm happy that so far he seems to be holding out, calling the next one 2.6 however equivocally.
It goes with the idea of "underpromise and overdeliver" which seems like a smart one to stick to, in software particularly. A series of pleasant, quietly presented surprises is much better than the sour taste of Not Quite What Was Promised. Outside of a minority (those who in particular care about Free software, and in particular the almighty GNU/Linux operating system in some form or another) within a minority (those people who give > a tinker's cuss about computers / computing at all), no one will care about the version number -- but since context matters, so do those people, however few.
timothy
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So, Linux 2.6 will come out about the same time as the new Harry Potter book? Maybe it will be a joint release.
This is silly, if everything was modular you could have a thousand people working on everything and things would go much faster.
Want a server? use those modules, want USB, it's a module!
Why Linus is "so busy" with this is beyond me, just make it so everything is a plug in module and away we go.
The kernel should be very simple and the root of all the modules.
Someone fix it!
Huh, bugger waiting, I'm gonna fire up Kazaa right now and download the warez beta!!
Linux 3.0beta here I come
informative? funny yes, informative no. jesus..moderators are on crack
This is not relevant to the discussion, but i would just like you to know your post was appreciated. I had been rather confused trying to figure out why anyone would want support for MMU-less machines, and your post answered that nicely. Thank you.
I have a DVD drive and a CDR drive (both IDE). I'm using SCSI emulation (of course ya gotta to burn under Linux). With 2.5.43 if I do a cdrecord -scanbus I get a kernel ooops. Heh. Works good under 2.4. Hope they get that sorted out before the start calling it 2.6. :)
but what is Alan Cox up to these days?
Have to say, Linux kernel releases have never really lived up to their word... I seem to remember Linus talking about "release often, release early", but that actually turned into a pile of crap.... we waiting eons for 2.4...
My advice: "Don't hold you breath for 2.6!!!!"
It isn't that there's a "fear of ...rollover". It's that open source types that aren't marketing their code have the luxury of making the version numbers actually mean something. Apps can change major version numbers when the file format changes. Libraries when compatibility-breaking ABI changes take place.
If you have a marketing department, *they* want to jack the major version numbers constantly so that it looks like one "must" upgrade, or because it makes the changes look better.
Frankly, I'd prefer 2.6 over 3.0. The kernel's performance has been improved, but there's been no rearchitecting. I consider it a bit of a mark of pride.
Also, people complaining in many of these posts about the number of devel releases before a stable -- be sure that you aren't the *same* people complaining about lack of QA on the stable branch, as this is what it's intended to fix.
May we never see th
Look, there's a lot of good arguments to *not* release on a more frequent cycle.
First, stable releases suck for a lot of developers. A lot of people do this in their spare time, and all of a sudden they have a bunch of deadlines.
Second, feature freezes reduce devel speed, since a lot of developers (who *could* be doing work) have to cool their heels and wait for everyone to stablilize their code.
Third, there's context switching time. It's a lot of work to release a new stable kernel, and you have to put out this big chunk of work, pretty everything up...and that's time that could be more productively spend working on features to go into the next release.
What specific features in the new kernel do you need? Tens of thousands of threads? Linus *still* says it's a dumb idea to have more threads than processors, so unless you have a machine with 10K processors, it's not a big deal. Sure, it makes for sexy benchmarks, but they're pointless for real world apps.
Latency? This is nice, but it's mostly helpful for hard realtime systems. From a user standpoint, the time latency is an issue (assuming you're doing the HZ-redefine, etc stuff that you can do with 2.4) pretty much exclusively when the disk is saturated with requests and part of an app needs to be swapped in or a file read.
ALSA? I already use it, as do quite a few distros. I know that at least SuSE uses it out of box, and it's pretty easy to build.
Most of the changes seem to be pretty small (though cute). New driver work, input changes, the ability to use the PC speaker as a microphone...
May we never see th
Or Daylight Savings time, as observed by most operating systems: ... ... ... ...
1:00 = 1 hour till you switch your clock.
1:50 = 10 minutes till you switch the clock.
1:55 = 5 minutes till you switch your clock.
1:00 = 1 hour till you switch your clock.
1:50 = 10 minutes till you switch the clock.
1:55 = 5 minutes till you switch your clock.
1:50 = 10 minutes till you switch the clock.
1:55 = 5 minutes till you switch your clock.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
If RMS had ever delivered a HURD kernel that wasn't just a toy, I'd consider his views on kernel development tools. Ideology and incompetence are a painful mix.
EVMS (Enterprise Volume Management System) (IBM, Contact: Kevin Corry)
Kernel Probes (IBM, contact: Vamsi Krishna S)
Kernel Hooks (IBM contact: Vamsi Krishna S.)
It's nice to see.
...the .ogg file containing the entire uncut session has been put up at the enclosed URL (with permission from both Linus and Neil Bauman. You see, C-Net had someone on the geekcruises mailing list, and Neil announced the upload thursday evening... not exactly crack journalism, but you can listen and judge for yourself. I tried to let Linux Today know, but apparently word didn;t get through to 'em.)
All I ask is that someone please mirror the thing and reply here with the mirror. Although I put the machine on an OC-12 line, the server is a mere P3-500/192MB RAM/RH 7.1 box.
The URL is http://205.122.23.229/peng/linusq-a.ogg (approx. 38MB)
Cheers,
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OS/Networking Instructor
Utah College of Applied Technology
Windows XP is Build 2600. Does that mean 31337 h4x0rz use Windows XP? (Grinning, ducking and running...)
couldn't have put it better myself.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
let's call it linux XP. and keep the version number at 2.6 so there will be a MASSIVE improvement in user eXPerience with little rearchitechturing!
Take the folks at Coca-Cola. For many years, they were content ...
to sit back and make the same old carbonated beverage. It was a good
beverage, no question about it; generations of people had grown up
drinking it and doing the experiment in sixth grade where you put a
nail into a glass of Coke and after a couple of days the nail dissolves
and the teacher says: "Imagine what it does to your TEETH!" So Coca-Cola
was solidly entrenched in the market, and the management saw no need to
improve
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